My bid for the European Presidency

[stewart edwards]

Well folks I now start my bid for the European Presidency. I know that I am unlikley even to get a look in, and most probably will be laughed extensively at, but that has never bothered me. I post it in this section as I am sure that some conspiracy theorists will say "I knew it" "a masonic reject going for the job, just as the conspiracy theories say".

Anyhow as you know I have wanted this job for some time, but an article in Time magazine spurned a letter to the editor copied below (hope that it gets published), and timing in with me now trying to get my books published etc, I thought that I would make a bid for an impossible job (as far as I understand it is the heads of state choosing a head of state/known global politician for the job).

European president - Nov 3 2009 page 46

Sirs

All of the politics over who is going to be the European President misses one vital point. The president has to be able to drive Europe forwards. They will have to inspire the people, represent the union, and vitally be able to remain outside the politics of member states. It is for this reason that I firmly believe that Europe needs a president from out with the political and aristocratic classes. Someone who is not afraid of standing up to be counted and who has proven peer recognised inspirational skills. Hence I put myself forwards for the job. I have an unconventional career history but I also have a lot of very relevant skills, including international respect in a defined field. More to the point I have never sent an army in to other countries, something that I think is overlooked all too often when looking at international credibility. A man of the people not of the politics.

My objective in office would be to:-

1. Inspire the hearts of the European people and bring home to them the benefits of the union.
2. Open the hearts of the European political classes so that all of the alleged corruption is reduced as European leaders and civil servants take positive steps forwards in their own lives.
3. Maintain impartiality in the petty political battles.
4. Illustrate to the world that Europe is evolving and that citizens matter.
5. Gain the respect of the international community, especially those parts that don’t trust Europe or some of its politicians. I mean how can you, as a foreign Sovereign trust someone who has sent troops into kill your people?


While I accept that anyone looking at my CV would probably laugh, but when they dug deeper and look at what I, as an individual have achieved, and the hearts that I have already touched globally, then I think that I would become a very strong candidate. But I don’t hold my breath for I would rock the boat and shake the tree, and I cant see many being comfy with that. Now where do I apply?

Yours faithfully
Stewart Edwards BA BSc ACA SCEA


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[lightgiver]

Well folks I now start my bid for the European Presidency. I know that I am unlikley even to get a look in, and most probably will be laughed extensively at, but that has never bothered me. I post it in this section as I am sure that some conspiracy theorists will say "I knew it" "a masonic reject going for the job, just as the conspiracy theories say".

Anyhow as you know I have wanted this job for some time, but an article in Time magazine spurned a letter to the editor copied below (hope that it gets published), and timing in with me now trying to get my books published etc, I thought that I would make a bid for an impossible job (as far as I understand it is the heads of state choosing a head of state/known global politician for the job).

European president - Nov 3 2009 page 46

Sirs

All of the politics over who is going to be the European President misses one vital point. The president has to be able to drive Europe forwards. They will have to inspire the people, represent the union, and vitally be able to remain outside the politics of member states. It is for this reason that I firmly believe that Europe needs a president from out with the political and aristocratic classes. Someone who is not afraid of standing up to be counted and who has proven peer recognised inspirational skills. Hence I put myself forwards for the job. I have an unconventional career history but I also have a lot of very relevant skills, including international respect in a defined field. More to the point I have never sent an army in to other countries, something that I think is overlooked all too often when looking at international credibility. A man of the people not of the politics.

My objective in office would be to:-

1. Inspire the hearts of the European people and bring home to them the benefits of the union.
2. Open the hearts of the European political classes so that all of the alleged corruption is reduced as European leaders and civil servants take positive steps forwards in their own lives.
3. Maintain impartiality in the petty political battles.
4. Illustrate to the world that Europe is evolving and that citizens matter.
5. Gain the respect of the international community, especially those parts that don’t trust Europe or some of its politicians. I mean how can you, as a foreign Sovereign trust someone who has sent troops into kill your people?


While I accept that anyone looking at my CV would probably laugh, but when they dug deeper and look at what I, as an individual have achieved, and the hearts that I have already touched globally, then I think that I would become a very strong candidate. But I don’t hold my breath for I would rock the boat and shake the tree, and I cant see many being comfy with that. Now where do I apply?

Yours faithfully
Stewart Edwards BA BSc ACA SCEA


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Go for it Stewart,You can at least try :)

I will vote for you ;)

[grandsecretary]

Tony will be pleased. :D

[stewart edwards]

Tony will be pleased. :DYes I am sure that he will be quaking in his boots at the thought of an unknown commoner somehow getting the European heads of state voting for him:eek: Sadly lightgiver I dont think that the likes of you or me get to vote. I think that it is going to be a jobs for the boys scenario. I have however emailed Max Clifford to ask if he will help me in my quest. Hopefully he will. If so I can imagine that the papers will be full of my old skeletons. :eek:

[lightgiver]

Yes I am sure that he will be quaking in his boots at the thought of an unknown commoner somehow getting the European heads of state voting for him:eek: Sadly lightgiver I dont think that the likes of you or me get to vote. I think that it is going to be a jobs for the boys scenario.

You see Stewart this is the trouble because most of these top nobs do not live in the real world,sadly.:(

[stewart edwards]

Well if I do by some sheer fluke manager to get in I will keep my word and have an "Ask the European President" thread here if the mods would allow it, subject to security and confidentiality issues obviously. Though I would be a busy chappy I would pop in and answer those questions that I was able to.

[lightgiver]

Well if I do by some sheer fluke manager to get in I will keep my word and have an "Ask the European President" thread here if the mods would allow it, subject to security and confidentiality issues obviously. Though I would be a busy chappy I would pop in and answer those questions that I was able to.

We will hold you to that ;)

[grandsecretary]

My worry is that their world IS the real world lightgiver. Did you ever read "Small is Beautiful" by E. F. Schumacher?

We should really be campaigning to break up great monoliths like the EU and the banking system. We need institutions for practical reasons but monopoly power is simply unhealthy.

[stewart edwards]

We will hold you to that ;)Please do.

If anyone here is a blogger feel free to blog about me.

[lightgiver]

My worry is that their world IS the real world lightgiver. Did you ever read "Small is Beautiful" by E. F. Schumacher?

We should really be campaigning to break up great monoliths like the EU and the banking system. We need institutions for practical reasons but monopoly power is simply unhealthy.

I totally agree,When Stewart gets in he can break it up;)

Small is indeed beautiful.I will give that a look at.

Small Is Beautiful: Economics As If People Mattered is a collection of essays by British economist E. F. Schumacher. The phrase "Small Is Beautiful" came from a phrase by his teacher Leopold Kohr. It is often used to champion small, appropriate technologies that are believed to empower people more, in contrast with phrases such as "bigger is better".

[stewart edwards]

Strength through diversity.:) The same principle that I will apply to the masonic world one day;)

[lightgiver]

From the Link GS passed on,

I like it :)

* Man is small, and, therefore, small is beautiful.

* A Buddhist economist would consider this approach excessively irrational: since consumption is merely a means to human well-being, the aim should be to obtain the maximum of well-being with the minimum of consumption.... The less toil there is, the more time and strength is left for artistic creativity. Modern economics, on the other hand, considers consumption to be the sole end and purpose of all economic activity.

* It is clear, therefore, that Buddhist economics must be very different from the economics of modern materialism, since the Buddhist sees the essence of civilisation not in a multiplication of wants but in the purification of human character. Character, at the same time, is formed primarily by a man's work. And work, properly conducted in conditions of human dignity and freedom, blesses those who do it and equally their products.

* The most striking about modern industry is that it requires so much and accomplishes so little. Modern industry seems to be inefficient to a degree that surpasses one's ordinary powers of imagination. Its inefficiency therefore remains unnoticed.

* Wisdom demands a new orientation of science and technology towards the organic, the gentle, the non-violent, the elegant and beautiful.

* The way in which we experience and interpret the world obviously depends very much indeed on the kind of ideas that fill our minds. If they are mainly small, weak, superficial, and incoherent, life will appear insipid, uninteresting, petty, and chaotic.

Small Is Beautiful - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Buddhist economics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[stewart edwards]

Bloggers please blog about me, pleeeaaaasssseeeee, and get any European bloggers you know blogging in the member states of the EU as well, and indeed any country.

Anyone who bloggs extensively about me (as long as I know about it) can ask to be put on a preferred bloggers list once I am in a position to make a difference. Get the common man into power (now sods law says that I will find out that I do indeed have Blue blood in my veins:rolleyes:) and making a difference for the common man.

[lightgiver]

Bloggers please blog about me, pleeeaaaasssseeeee, and get any European bloggers you know blogging in the member states of the EU as well, and indeed any country.

Anyone who bloggs extensively about me (as long as I know about it) can ask to be put on a preferred bloggers list once I am in a position to make a difference. Get the common man into power (now sods law says that I will find out that I do indeed have Blue blood in my veins:rolleyes:) and making a difference for the common man.

I would Blog stewart,but I do not do blogs,

BTW what type is Blue Blood?

[stewart edwards]

I would Blog stewart,but I do not do blogs,Ah but you may know bloggers, and forumites throughout Europe that could get the discussion going about the benefits of a common man in the job.

BTW what type is Blue Blood?Dont have a clue. Didnt we discuss this re Rhz +/- some time back?

[lightgiver]

Ah but you may know bloggers, and forumites throughout Europe that could get the discussion going about the benefits of a common man in the job.

Dont have a clue. Didnt we discuss this re Rhz +/- some time back?

Is there such a thing now as the common person,maybe common purpose :D

Royal Blood,a tricky one that.;)

[stewart edwards]

Lightgiver

I will confess that if by some miracle I do get the job I am very curious as to what conspiracy theorists would write about me. Would they accept that a lad from a broken home in a Scottish council estate could achieve such things, or would I be made out to be a shape shifting reptilian alien or worse?

[grandsecretary]

The biter bites, and then he is bitten. :)

[stewart edwards]

Peter, good point. Knowing from past personal experience what groups of men can do to you when you stand up to them, I can only imagine the flak that I will get as vested interests try to discredit me.

Fortunately my wife tells me to go for it, knowing full well that some may try to destroy us in the process.

[lightgiver]

Lightgiver

I will confess that if by some miracle I do get the job I am very curious as to what conspiracy theorists would write about me. Would they accept that a lad from a broken home in a Scottish council estate could achieve such things, or would I be made out to be a shape shifting reptilian alien or worse?

Proof is in the pudding,actions and effects and all that ;)

[stewart edwards]

Proof is in the pudding,actions and effects and all that ;)Is this your way of telling me that you are going to be watching me to see if I shape shift?:eek:

[lightgiver]

Is this your way of telling me that you are going to be watching me to see if I shape shift?:eek:

Maybe T Blair is shifting towards the job :eek:

[stewart edwards]

Maybe T Blair is shifting towards the job :eek:He has to be the bookies favourite, if not the peoples.

I would love to get on a telly debate against him.:D All of his experience against my ability to touch hearts, inspire people to move their lives forwards, and be independent of established petty politics. I would be shaking more than Nick Griffin on Question Time.:eek:

[decim]

Stewart you're sacked...on yer bike..

No eu No president No NWO..

Please & Thank you.

[stewart edwards]

Stewart you're sacked...on yer bike..
Typical, I get sacked before I even get the job:D

[stewart edwards]

I have a handful of promised votes from across forums:D:D:D

The jobs mine......in 20 years.

Actually 2.5 years isnt long to actually make a difference. Even hitting the ground running you would be hard pushed to show results in that time frame. If I did get the job people would still be recovering form the shock to the system.

If anyone ever comes across an application process for the job, please let me know for I would apply.

[jakemaverick]

think that's my job u r talking about...:mad:

[skyver]

My worry is that their world IS the real world lightgiver. Did you ever read "Small is Beautiful" by E. F. Schumacher?

We should really be campaigning to break up great monoliths like the EU and the banking system. We need institutions for practical reasons but monopoly power is simply unhealthy.

Exactly. It makes it so much easier for destructive forces to wreak havoc. If it is broken up, then the damage would be contained (hopefully) to a certain extent.

[stewart edwards]

think that's my job u r talking about...:mad:Jobshare? Do you want to knock the heads together or kick the butt?;)

[stevepenny]

If anyone ever comes across an application process for the job, please let me know for I would apply.

Hi Stewart,

Here is the form; i've even filled it in for you :D

NAME: Stewart Edwards

DESIRED POSITION: El Presidente.

ARE YOU A BROWN NOSER? YES

CAN YOU PASS A LIE DETECTOR TEST? NO

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ADMITTED TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION? NO

(If yes, why did you want to leave there and apply for work here?)

DESIRED SALARY: £185,000 a year plus a severance package. If that's not possible, make an offer and we can haggle.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for hostility on the David Icke forum.

SALARY: Less than I'm worth.

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: My incredible collection of stolen pens and post-it notes.

REASON FOR LEAVING: It sucked.

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any.

PREFERRED HOURS: 1:30-3:30 p.m., Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a more intimate environment.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: If I had one, would I be here?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: I think the more appropriate question here would be "Do you have a car that runs?"

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: I may already be a winner of the Readers Digest million pound giveaway

DO YOU SMOKE?: Only when set on fire.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS? Living in Hawaii with a fabulously wealthy super model who thinks I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread. Actually, I'd like to be doing that now.

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE?: No, but I dare you to prove otherwise.

SIGN HERE: Scorpio with Libra rising.

[stewart edwards]

Hi Stewart,

Here is the form; i've even filled it in for you :DAnd here is my version:D

NAME: Stewart Edwards

DESIRED POSITION: Bloke who will open hearts and help the powers that be regain the respect of the citizens of the community.

ARE YOU A BROWN NOSER? Have you seen the number of powers that be that I have stood up to????? The number of boats that I have rocked and the trees that I have gently shaken?

CAN YOU PASS A LIE DETECTOR TEST? Only if I am telling the truth

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ADMITTED TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION? NO, but it would have been nice to get three meals a day

(If yes, why did you want to leave there and apply for work here?)

DESIRED SALARY: £40,000 plus reasonable, and transparent expenses.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for hostility on the David Icke forum.

SALARY: £0

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: Realising that a broken lad form a Scots council estate can actually make a difference in the world. And who gets called Brother by many a Freemason, even though he was rejected by an ugle lodge:eek::p

REASON FOR LEAVING: Im still here

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any as I will be working away from home.

PREFERRED HOURS: Any that will fit around triathlon and extreme sports events.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a more intimate environment. true.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: Is David available?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: No, but the wife does.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: Yes in several fields. Little things by the community including a lovely glass trophy for inspiring in multisport as an obese man.

DO YOU SMOKE?: I would love to try a Cuban cigar but I would probably puke.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS? Reflecting that I have helped the European Union take a small step forwards and become more relevant to its citizens.

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE?: I think so, guv.

SIGN HERE: Pisces with some who are heavily into numerology taking my name and birthday to extreme lengths to prove that the job is mine:eek:.

[stewart edwards]

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS? Reflecting that I have helped the European Union take a small step forwards and become more relevant to its citizens.Steve, a more generic and realistic answer would be:-

Now that I know that I have done enough in life (remember by near death experience earlier this year and choosing to return here), in five years time I would just liked to continue my circle of life. I was born, fell into darkness, walked my way out of it, found that I was inspiring others (I know because they told me) in pretty much every facet of my life, dealt with ego issues surrounding this, had the choice to leave or stay, decided to stay, and now am happy using my skills to illuminate the way for others. Whether it is done in the EU or in a mental home doesnt really matter all that much. In five years time I would like to see the progression that I have had over the past decade continue and be able to look back and see that, whatever my specific circumstance, whether it be homeless on the street, in a mental home or as el presidente, I have learnt something new, and continued towards the completion of the second part of my journey in the circle of life.

You may be suprised to know that it took me around three years to come to realise that I was now ready to lead. But if life has no leadership opportunities for me, I will lead in my own little way, as I have done over recent years. From the streets or a mental home if need be. Though el presidentes office would be more challenging (uuurrrghh the petty politics and egos to contend with - aaaarrrrgggghhhh).

It is truly a shame Steve that you havent read my work on the masonic internet over the past decade for it would have helped you understand me.

[zyphus]

Stewart, you're either playing the most genius parody ever, or you believe it!

Either way, brilliant..

[jakemaverick]

Jobshare? Do you want to knock the heads together or kick the butt?;)

ok. lets knock some heads and frack some arses.....

but u shud probably read my story first....

[stewart edwards]

Stewart, you're either playing the most genius parody ever, or you believe it!

Either way, brilliant..Just wait until the trilogy comes out:-

1. My autobiography
2. Our Place in the Twenty First Century
3. Esoterics Made Easy.

:D

I am just a bloke at a computer.

[stewart edwards]

but u shud probably read my story first....Where?

[jakemaverick]

clcik the sig fool....

[lobuk]

And here is my version:D

NAME: Stewart Edwards

DESIRED POSITION: Bloke who will open hearts and help the powers that be regain the respect of the citizens of the community.

ARE YOU A BROWN NOSER? Have you seen the number of powers that be that I have stood up to????? The number of boats that I have rocked and the trees that I have gently shaken?

CAN YOU PASS A LIE DETECTOR TEST? Only if I am telling the truth

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ADMITTED TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION? NO, but it would have been nice to get three meals a day

(If yes, why did you want to leave there and apply for work here?)

DESIRED SALARY: £40,000 plus reasonable, and transparent expenses.

EDUCATION: Yes.

LAST POSITION HELD: Target for hostility on the David Icke forum.

SALARY: £0

MOST NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENT: Realising that a broken lad form a Scots council estate can actually make a difference in the world. And who gets called Brother by many a Freemason, even though he was rejected by an ugle lodge:eek::p

REASON FOR LEAVING: Im still here

HOURS AVAILABLE TO WORK: Any as I will be working away from home.

PREFERRED HOURS: Any that will fit around triathlon and extreme sports events.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS?: Yes, but they're better suited to a more intimate environment. true.

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: Is David available?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: No, but the wife does.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL AWARDS OR RECOGNITION?: Yes in several fields. Little things by the community including a lovely glass trophy for inspiring in multisport as an obese man.

DO YOU SMOKE?: I would love to try a Cuban cigar but I would probably puke.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE DOING IN FIVE YEARS? Reflecting that I have helped the European Union take a small step forwards and become more relevant to its citizens.

DO YOU CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE IS TRUE AND COMPLETE TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE?: I think so, guv.

SIGN HERE: Pisces with some who are heavily into numerology taking my name and birthday to extreme lengths to prove that the job is mine:eek:.

LoL

Awesome that mate.

:D:D:D

[stewart edwards]

LoL

Awesome that mate.

:D:D:DActually I think that credit should go to Stevepenny for trying to get personal information out of me. All he had to do was ask.:D

[stewart edwards]

clcik the sig fool....:o It is a lot to get through. So give me some time.

If you are able it would be much easier to read if you used shorter paragraphs and had clear sections:-

1. What I did (or was was claimed I did)
2. What they did to me
3. What changed to lead to this happening to me
4. Why they let me go
5. What I have done to make sense of it all etc

All on one piece of A4 paper. People can then come back for more info if they wanted.

For what it is worth it is my experience that when darkness strikes the last thing you want to do is respond with darkness, for that just fuells the darkness. Once when a group of men broke me after I stood up to one of them I decided just to forgive him and get on with rebuilding my life. He had trouble facing me for years so I made sure to look him in the eyes and talk to him, even though it really hurt, but watching him squirm was worth it. Now we get along ok. I think that it would be fair comment to say that I helped him take a positive step forwards in his own life by forcing him to face himself. Mind you that was pretty minor stuff compared with your story.

If it were me I would work on getting on with my life, which to be fair you do seem to be doing.

[lobuk]

Actually I think that credit should go to Stevepenny for trying to get personal information out of me. All he had to do was ask.:D

CAN YOU PASS A LIE DETECTOR TEST? Only if I am telling the truth

REASON FOR LEAVING: Im still here

MAY WE CONTACT YOUR CURRENT EMPLOYER?: Is David available?

DO YOU HAVE A CAR?: No, but the wife does.

Brilliant LoooL

Best post i have read in ages LoL.

[stewart edwards]

Glad to have been of service.:D

[zyphus]

Just wait until the trilogy comes out:-

1. My autobiography
2. Our Place in the Twenty First Century
3. Esoterics Made Easy.

:D

I am just a bloke at a computer.

Number 1 sounds interesting, I'm quite fond of autobiographies :D

[stewart edwards]

Number 1 sounds interesting, I'm quite fond of autobiographies :DIt will be interesting depending on the lible reading. There are things that happened in my life that parts of the establishment may not appreciate being front page news. Hence I have written it without these but in but if the publishers wants them in and is willing to take up any legal tab who knows?

Even without them it is a good account of lad from nowhere making good and about how I pierced the veils and found the hidden beauty in life.

[jakemaverick]

:o It is a lot to get through. So give me some time.

If you are able it would be much easier to read if you used shorter paragraphs and had clear sections:-

1. What I did (or was was claimed I did)
2. What they did to me
3. What changed to lead to this happening to me
4. Why they let me go
5. What I have done to make sense of it all etc

All on one piece of A4 paper. People can then come back for more info if they wanted.

For what it is worth it is my experience that when darkness strikes the last thing you want to do is respond with darkness, for that just fuells the darkness. Once when a group of men broke me after I stood up to one of them I decided just to forgive him and get on with rebuilding my life. He had trouble facing me for years so I made sure to look him in the eyes and talk to him, even though it really hurt, but watching him squirm was worth it. Now we get along ok. I think that it would be fair comment to say that I helped him take a positive step forwards in his own life by forcing him to face himself. Mind you that was pretty minor stuff compared with your story.

If it were me I would work on getting on with my life, which to be fair you do seem to be doing.

thnaks for your time, but there nothing else i can do....wnt fit onto a single side of paper for fracks sake! you not Dug Hogg are you? ;-) perhaps u haven't got that far...

no way i can move on when i'm not allowed so much as a bank account....

glad your strategy worked. been doing that all my life but never works for me! doing the ghandi thing just gets you killed or worse.....hope i defend msyelf next time!

[captain coconut]

when one tries to change the system from within, that one eventually becomes apart of the system they are trying to change.

[stewart edwards]

thnaks for your time, but there nothing else i can do....wnt fit onto a single side of paper for fracks sake! you not Dug Hogg are you? ;-) perhaps u haven't got that far...Start a thread here, "secret government agency destroyed me" or something keep each section to a few sentaces. Short and crisp. That may encourage discussion and get your message out. But little is often better to start with. As the discussion moved forwards add the detail in response to questions. You will get a lot of sympathy I am sure here, and any who call you a liar etc just ignore them.

no way i can move on when i'm not allowed so much as a bank account....Some banks give accounts to bankrupt people nowadays, I think Nat West may do. Also you can get a Tesco or Sainsbury saving account. The post office also do accounts for people on benefits with debit cards. Have you tried all of these options?

glad your strategy worked. been doing that all my life but never works for me! doing the ghandi thing just gets you killed or worse.....hope i defend msyelf next time!I suppose that a firm belief in reincarnation like I have does help a bit here.

[jakemaverick]

Start a thread here, "secret government agency destroyed me" or something keep each section to a few sentaces. Short and crisp. That may encourage discussion and get your message out. But little is often better to start with. As the discussion moved forwards add the detail in response to questions. You will get a lot of sympathy I am sure here, and any who call you a liar etc just ignore them.

Some banks give accounts to bankrupt people nowadays, I think Nat West may do. Also you can get a Tesco or Sainsbury saving account. The post office also do accounts for people on benefits with debit cards. Have you tried all of these options?

I suppose that a firm belief in reincarnation like I have does help a bit here.

thnx man but you barking up a dead tree....i have tried EVERYTHING. i doubt u can come up with somehting i have not tried...i am not bankrupt! at least as far as i know....

no energy left to do out abt it. just waiting until they attack me again and what do you think i s going to happen then?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6169878/Police-officer-killed-after-NHS-failings-over-schizophrenic.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161518/PC-describes-terrifyingly-narrow-escape-schizophrenic-knifeman-seconds-earlier-killed-colleague.html

been a lot of them past few eyars...why u think that is? you are if they say you are! it is the law now.....

[stewart edwards]

thnx man but you barking up a dead tree....i have tried EVERYTHING.Have you tried to open an account with the post office that gives you a debit card? There were established so that people on benefits could have a bank account.

Now please start a new thread for this, I am trying to convince Europe to give me the top job:eek:

[jakemaverick]

there are several other 'threads' no cigar though! Post office same problem as banks.....

[stewart edwards]

there are several other 'threads' no cigar though! Post office same problem as banks.....see http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/banking/compare-best-bank-accounts#cant The problem is they [basic bank accounts] cost the banks money, and many only offer them as a sop to social responsibility. This means that, unless you very specifically ask for them, it's unlikely they will be mentioned and you'll just be given the normal bank account forms and then rejected.

Yet even with Basic Bank Accounts, if you have limited personal identification it can be tricky to open one. It's a horrid situation and there isn't much of a solution (nag your MP!). I'd suggest trying Barclays or the Co-op bank who tend to be more accommodating than most.Hope that helps. Martin knows his stuff.

[stewart edwards]

Now what are the chances of me getting a telly stand off with Mr Blair?:rolleyes:

Vote Stewart Edwards the Slogging Scotsman!

Oh I forgot we dont get to vote.

[lightgiver]

Now what are the chances of me getting a telly stand off with Mr Blair?:rolleyes:

Vote Stewart Edwards the Slogging Scotsman!

Oh I forgot we dont get to vote.

I do not hear many demanding a vote?I wonder why.

[jakemaverick]

see http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/banking/compare-best-bank-accounts#cant hope that helps. Martin knows his stuff.

seriously! Tried them all!!!

[stewart edwards]

Have you tried prepaid credit cards to get your credit rating going again? Kids can get them as young as 13. http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/prepaid-cards

[stewart edwards]

I do not hear many demanding a vote?I wonder why.The simple reality Lightgiver is that Europe needs to decide if it is:-

A. A place where citizens matter or a place where policians can retire?
B. A place that represents its citizens or not?
C. A place that will inspire or not?

Come on the EU still cant decide if it wants a president who can gain consensus or one that will stop traffic on the roads in Beijing!!

Get a president in there, anyone, that can honestly inspire and help lift the EU out of its current darkness. Then it will naturally inspire others in the world. It is a simple esoteric fact and process that is applicable to you, me, the bloke from mi6 who is assessing me for the job;), organisations, nations, and groups of nations. Let there be light!:)

(So Lightgive with me as and jakemaverick as joint EU Presidents and Grand Master Mason Head knocker and Butt kicker and you as Head Honcho in the Kinghts of Malta do you think that we could make a positive difference?)

[stewart edwards]

It does seem a little strange that everywhere that I have posted this thought, while there are many who oppose Blair, there are few, except here, who appear to express the view that perhaps the common man and woman should get a say in who is going to lead. OK I know that the job isnt really a leader in the USA sense, but the incumbent will be at least a figurehead, even if a relatively impotent one, and it just seems to me that if the EU could become more directly relevant to the common citizen that perhaps it may achieve for far more.

Mind you with a term of only 2.5 years it is not really going to be possible for anyone to make a real difference in the post, so perhaps it really is better just being a jobs for the boys post. It is possible that Lisbon could be the final nail in the coffin that leads to European disintigration over coming decades as opposed to the enabler and solidifier that it is hoped to be.

[grandsecretary]

It does seem a little strange that everywhere that I have posted this thought, while there are many who oppose Blair, there are few, except here, who appear to express the view that perhaps the common man and woman should get a say in who is going to lead. OK I know that the job isnt really a leader in the USA sense, but the incumbent will be at least a figurehead, even if a relatively impotent one, and it just seems to me that if the EU could become more directly relevant to the common citizen that perhaps it may achieve for far more.

Mind you with a term of only 2.5 years it is not really going to be possible for anyone to make a real difference in the post, so perhaps it really is better just being a jobs for the boys post. It is possible that Lisbon could be the final nail in the coffin that leads to European disintigration over coming decades as opposed to the enabler and solidifier that it is hoped to be.

This will be a very difficult few years ahead of us where we will have to stomach an unelected President of Europe and an unelected European Foreign Minister making judgements and statements on our behalf with no mandate so to do.

This is a fight between democracy and dictatorship. As citizens we must ensure that democracy wins, or we might as well have capitulated to Adolf in 1939.

The Conservative Party MUST be forced to hold its promised referendum in the United Kingdom. It is our duty to vote against this Eurpean Constitution, for that is what it is. It has NOT been ratified in the UK, it has been ratified in the wine bars of Islington.

This is a VERY dangerous time in our history, a time when Brittannia is also being removed from our coinage.

[cryst4l]

Have you tried prepaid credit cards to get your credit rating going again? Kids can get them as young as 13. http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/prepaid-cards

Hey that's a nice thought, get the young uns ready ;) :(

[stewart edwards]

This is a fight between democracy and dictatorship. As citizens we must ensure that democracy wins, or we might as well have capitulated to Adolf in 1939.Agreed. Which is why I am creating a fuss. To generate thought about it.

It is our duty to vote against this Eurpean Constitution, for that is what it is.Here we differ though, for I think that the EU is essential to our future prosperity. But I do think that we should all have been asked to vote on it. The EU must be relevant and beneficial to its citizens.

This is a VERY dangerous time in our history,Agreed

a time when Brittannia is also being removed from our coinage.I would have the Euro anyway.

[stewart edwards]

It occurs to me that the powers that be in Europe may not know how to make the Union wanted by its citizens to the degree that they would vote for it. So here is a challange for the remote possibility that someone from the EU is reading this:-

Yes I could do the job of president but no I dont realistically expect to get the job.

So pay me £40,000 (more would be nice) and give me a free hand for five years to basically do as I please - full access to all EU institutions - ok not necessarily any secret stuff not really interested in that anyway (it is about making the EU work better and gaining more respect amongst its citizens), with half yearly reporting to a high level committee.

I would need weekly travel at weekends to/from home, economy class would be fine. Reasonable accomodation (like travellodge) and expenses for food (as I would be permanently away from home but again travellodge breakfast, shop sandwich lunch, and a reasonable dinner). Help with languages would also be useful and a laptop. Some sort of European Gym membership as well would be nice (would hate to give up triathlon).

By the time the five years were up you would want me as President.

Shall I wait by the phone:rolleyes:

[grandsecretary]

Agreed. Which is why I am creating a fuss. To generate thought about it.

Here we differ though, for I think that the EU is essential to our future prosperity. But I do think that we should all have been asked to vote on it. The EU must be relevant and beneficial to its citizens.

Agreed

I would have the Euro anyway.

Well that is neither fish nor fowl. I voted for a European Economic Community, a rdading partnership t take over from EFTA and that is all that i want to see. Nothing else. It has become a creeping giant, and it has to be reversed. Monetary union is highly dangerous because it requires a unified poilitical agenda in defence of its currency.

[grandsecretary]

It occurs to me that the powers that be in Europe may not know how to make the Union wanted by its citizens to the degree that they would vote for it. So here is a challange for the remote possibility that someone from the EU is reading this:-

Yes I could do the job of president but no I dont realistically expect to get the job.

So pay me £40,000 (more would be nice) and give me a free hand for five years to basically do as I please - full access to all EU institutions - ok not necessarily any secret stuff not really interested in that anyway (it is about making the EU work better and gaining more respect amongst its citizens), with half yearly reporting to a high level committee.

I would need weekly travel at weekends to/from home, economy class would be fine. Reasonable accomodation (like travellodge) and expenses for food (as I would be permanently away from home but again travellodge breakfast, shop sandwich lunch, and a reasonable dinner). Help with languages would also be useful and a laptop. Some sort of European Gym membership as well would be nice (would hate to give up triathlon).

By the time the five years were up you would want me as President.

Shall I wait by the phone:rolleyes:

No. Get some fresh air Stewart. :)

[stewart edwards]

:D

Peter I do have sympathy for your position, but the harsh reality is that the juggernaught has moved and it would be very very difficult to backtrack. I would prefer to see a loose federation of states where strength is gained through diversity, but in the real world we have this monsterous juggernaught.

(Peter you dont need to always take me so seriously - I know that I dont do banter very well, but dont always assume that I am being serious).

[grandsecretary]

:D

Peter I do have sympathy for your position, but the harsh reality is that the juggernaught has moved and it would be very very difficult to backtrack. I would prefer to see a loose federation of states where strength is gained through diversity, but in the real world we have this monsterous juggernaught.

(Peter you dont need to always take me so seriously - I know that I dont do banter very well, but dont always assume that I am being serious).

I am not taking you seriously Stewart. A bit of fun, but a good place to let steam off! :)

[stewart edwards]

The Conservative Party MUST be forced to hold its promised referendum in the United Kingdom. Sorry Peter they have confirmed that they cant see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8340664.stm William Hague..... said it would no longer be possible to hold a referendum on the treaty if his party won a general election next year.

Looks like my job is being created. I am ready for a 1 Dec start. Where do I get the application form?

[grandsecretary]

There will be trouble if they dont. Mark my words.

[stevepenny]

There will be trouble if they dont. Mark my words.

This was discussed on Radio 4 this morning. It has been confirmed that once the treaty is ratified, a referendum is pointless as it will have no basis in law.

It will be interesting to find out if there is a get out clause...

[grandsecretary]

There had better be because the rank and file will NOT up with it put.

[stewart edwards]

Treat me like an idiot here. But why, in very simple terms, did the EU feel the need to force Lisbon through? After all if the EU was doing its job effectively and the citizens of member states respected it then there would be no problem with a vote.

Get cutting edge inspiring leadership in there. By the way I need some references.

[grandsecretary]

Because it is a further step towards the United States of Europe.

The motivation behind this is the growing power of China and India. Some, many, European politicians feel that the voices of the nation states of Europe will be lost in a future when the great power blocks will be:

The United States of America, Russia, China and India, without Europe.

They are profoundly wrong because of the way that the financial centres in London, Paris and Frankfurt work.

[lightgiver]

The simple reality Lightgiver is that Europe needs to decide if it is:-

A. A place where citizens matter or a place where policians can retire?
B. A place that represents its citizens or not?
C. A place that will inspire or not?

Come on the EU still cant decide if it wants a president who can gain consensus or one that will stop traffic on the roads in Beijing!!

Get a president in there, anyone, that can honestly inspire and help lift the EU out of its current darkness. Then it will naturally inspire others in the world. It is a simple esoteric fact and process that is applicable to you, me, the bloke from mi6 who is assessing me for the job;), organisations, nations, and groups of nations. Let there be light!:)

(So Lightgive with me as and jakemaverick as joint EU Presidents and Grand Master Mason Head knocker and Butt kicker and you as Head Honcho in the Kinghts of Malta do you think that we could make a positive difference?)


TBH Stewart all this EU is Bullshit corruption for the power elites to have more control over everything and everyone,down with it I say.:)

and look how much of the tax payers money it takes,a massive chunk out of the British pocket,more selfish greed on behalf of the corrupt cronies running the show.

Total massive in ya face corruption and deceit.

[grandsecretary]

Me too. A trading partnership instead of EFTA is fine by me, but European political and monetary union is a monopoly open for corruption where decisions are taken on our behalf further and further away from the individual citizen.

It has to go.

[cryst4l]

Me too. A trading partnership instead of EFTA is fine by me, but European political and monetary union is a monopoly open for corruption where decisions are taken on our behalf further and further away from the individual citizen.

It has to go.

Hi GS :)

This applies generally IMO

Any monetary or political union is open to the corruption of those who are corrupted.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, there are so many willing to corrupt their morals and principles to further their selfish, undignified agenda :cool:

I have never voted in my lifetime but was going to at the next election. Until a certain person went backward on their word.

We do not live in a democracy! It is abundantly clear that anyone living in this country will soon have to live in a certain way sticking to society's laws and legislation, and not live in the equal and free place we should be able to.

No matter what us minions do or say the agenda is set in stone and no-one is going to change it, not now not ever.

Until a certain time that makes these people of power and control worthless, they will always try to define how we should live our life's whether we like it or not.

[stewart edwards]

It has to go.More realistically Britain will pull out (much of Europe I understand likes the union, though I do accept that in some countries there is understandable resistance in places). The problems with Britain pulling out are that:-

1. Our trade to Europe may be adversely affected.
2. We would be very much in a no mans land, and unless we allied ourself even more closely with America we would become relatively impotent on the world stage.
3. The trouble with America though is that while they see themselves as the worlds policeman, much of the world doesnt like them much. Also with Chinas influence in the world on the rise it may not be that long before America becomes a relative has been.
4. Europe has I think a much better chance of being a payer of balanced influence in our rapidly evolving world.

But what matters most is not how much infleunce you have in the world, but the quality of life of your citizens. So from my persepective it is would the life of Peter and his children be better or worse if we left the EU?

The EU needs reforming of that I have no doubt, but it has to be done with its citizens as the primary focus. You really do need people in there who are able to help the various decision makers naturally raise their game. Having recently read Marta Andreasons book, I am apauled. Which is why I am prepared to put myself forwards and do something about it.

I read a book review recently I think about a book written by a Financial Times Economist which said something like 100 years ago the US and Argentina were very similar, and it is only the decision made then that have resulted in the vast differences between the countries today. Now while most people dont care about 100 years time, I would like to ensure our generation really do move forwards. The darkness really must be illuminated out of the way. The trouble is that there are few who have the bottle to do it.

[grandsecretary]

cryst41

Well, it is a fact that we do live in a democracy, but it is a constant battle and we must not relax, i.e., give up and not participate.

The first thing to say to you is that you are NOT voting for "a certain person" and this is a major mistake made by most people.

You are voting for your local Member of Parliament and you should take the trouble to check the candidates out. It may well be that one of your local candidates is on your side in this debate and is willing to stand up and be counted. He or she would be deserving of your vote, and yet you will sit on your hands because of "a certain person" who is certain to get in anyway because he has a "safe seat".

If you don't like the candidates at your disposal, you are perfectly entitled to stand for election yourself, get elected and kick butt!

I stood in 1979 and I was able to get my point of view across. I was offered a safe seat but my priorities in life had changed. If I could do it, so can you, so can anyone. Don't be negative. Go for it! :)

[grandsecretary]

More realistically Britain will pull out (much of Europe I understand likes the union, though I do accept that in some countries there is understandable resistance in places). The problems with Britain pulling out are that:-

1. Our trade to Europe may be adversely affected.
2. We would be very much in a no mans land, and unless we allied ourself even more closely with America we would become relatively impotent on the world stage.
3. The trouble with America though is that while they see themselves as the worlds policeman, much of the world doesnt like them much. Also with Chinas influence in the world on the rise it may not be that long before America becomes a relative has been.
4. Europe has I think a much better chance of being a payer of balanced influence in our rapidly evolving world.

But what matters most is not how much infleunce you have in the world, but the quality of life of your citizens. So from my persepective it is would the life of Peter and his children be better or worse if we left the EU?

The EU needs reforming of that I have no doubt, but it has to be done with its citizens as the primary focus. You really do need people in there who are able to help the various decision makers naturally raise their game. Having recently read Marta Andreasons book, I am apauled. Which is why I am prepared to put myself forwards and do something about it.

I read a book review recently I think about a book written by a Financial Times Economist which said something like 100 years ago the US and Argentina were very similar, and it is only the decision made then that have resulted in the vast differences between the countries today. Now while most people dont care about 100 years time, I would like to ensure our generation really do move forwards. The darkness really must be illuminated out of the way. The trouble is that there are few who have the bottle to do it.

Steve, I am convinced that The United Kingdom would be perfectly capable of negotiating a free trade agreement with the EU, and others in Europe who are not members of the EU (Turkey for example).

This fear thing, suggesting that it is all or nothing, is just EU propaganda. IMHO it shows a lack of confidence in the UK.

[cryst4l]

cryst41

Well, it is a fact that we do live in a democracy, but it is a constant battle and we must not relax, i.e., give up and not participate.

The first thing to say to you is that you are NOT voting for "a certain person" and this is a major mistake made by most people.

You are voting for your local Member of Parliament and you should take the trouble to check the candidates out. It may well be that one of your local candidates is on your side in this debate and is willing to stand up and be counted. He or she would be deserving of your vote, and yet you will sit on your hands because of "a certain person" who is certain to get in anyway because he has a "safe seat".

If you don't like the candidates at your disposal, you are perfectly entitled to stand for election yourself, get elected and kick butt!

I stood in 1979 and I was able to get my point of view across. I was offered a safe seat but my priorities in life had changed. If I could do it, so can you, so can anyone. Don't be negative. Go for it! :)

I'm not negative even if my post resembles that :)

I have just come to the conclusion that yes there are people who will represent their constituents and do a good job, but these people are few and far between and never get anywhere in the political world.

It is a corrupt and disloyal place and ultimately I feel that most are just puppets for the bigger agenda's. I would love to stand for our people, my people your people but I'm sure my viewpoints would never stand in the big political world and this has been proved on a larger scale with the lack of referendum on the treaty ;)

[grandsecretary]

I can tell you from when I was involved that politics IS a dirty business, but there ARE members of parliament who are on our side in this, and who are NOT corrupt. Democracy is a system of weeding out, unless we give up and do not vote.

What is the definition of a weed? Dig everything up, and if it grows again, it's a weed. :)

What we do every four or five years is the digging up process. If it grows again as a weed, burn it!

It's not perfect, but I have not seen a better option, yet.

[cryst4l]

I can tell you from when I was involved that politics IS a dirty business, but there ARE members of parliament who are on our side in this, and who are NOT corrupt. Democracy is a system of weeding out, unless we give up and do not vote.

What is the definition of a weed? Dig everything up, and if it grows again, it's a weed. :)

What we do every four or five years is the digging up process. If it grows again as a weed, burn it!

It's not perfect, but I have not seen a better option, yet.

It's far from perfect, but it is a system that has been in place for far to long to change it now, I fear.

There should never be the need to weed out, if these people were fit for purpose, which the majority are not.

The only reason for the digging up process is to ensure the masses are kept fooled into thinking that every party has different motives and agenda's when the main three really all boil down to the same puppeteers in control.

As much as you and I dislike it, no matter what, it will not change. The only way this Will happen is if the people, the masses actually take their right to democracy back, and as we know, with today's laws and legislations even this is a bombing ground that I would not like to stand in.

I love the positivity you have towards this and admire it :)

[grandsecretary]

Remember the Poll Tax? The politicians could not resist mass public opinion. I will shock you now. I agreed with the concept of the Poll Tax, but we lost the argument. THAT is democracy. No complaints. :)

[cryst4l]

Abolishing the old rates system, the charge – quickly dubbed the Poll Tax – was worked out on a flat rate where the number of people living in a house determined its charge rate.
Middle England was incensed that a man living in a semi would end up paying the same as a millionaire in a huge mansion down the road.

If you agreed with this then I am a little astounded :)

Totally unfair and unequal in my eyes, but then this is not something as close to my heart as it obviously was yours.

To an extent I agree with your comment but to call it a democracy when the council tax system was pushed through as a replacement, hardly democratic in my eyes.

Change of name and a few minor details and it is the poll tax agenda ;)

[grandsecretary]

Well I did say that I believed in, indeed believe in, the concept that everybody, as an individual, and not just property owners, should pay something.

The implementation was a joke because of the ridiculous anomolies that you so rightly pointed out.

Typical of Maggie toward the end unfortunately. You are right, the Council Tax is far worse as almost every old age pensioner will tell you. I collected my bus pass last week! Oh well. :(

[decim]

You are wrong.

A Tax levied, based on existence?

Slavery & bondage.

Well I did say that I believed in, indeed believe in, the concept that everybody, as an individual, and not just property owners, should pay something.

[cryst4l]

Well I did say that I believed in, indeed believe in, the concept that everybody, as an individual, and not just property owners, should pay something.

The implementation was a joke because of the ridiculous anomolies that you so rightly pointed out.

Typical of Maggie toward the end unfortunately. You are right, the Council Tax is far worse as almost every old age pensioner will tell you. I collected my bus pass last week! Oh well. :(

And quite right too, everyone is in this together and should pay something :)

But in a fair and equal way, and the proposed law and the law as it is now are neither that.

It's nice to see that minds, young or old, can still come together and agree GS :D BTW just to make you feel a bit better, you don't seem old enough for the pass IMO ;)

[decim]

cryst4l everybody does pay & pay equally.

V.A.T & Duties.

[cryst4l]

You are wrong.

A Tax levied, based on existence?

Slavery & bondage.

I disagree here Decim. Whether we are in the society as it is today or the ways of the indigenous people, everyone came together and done their bit.

How else could you do this other than existence? You exist in their mock society so you pay the way, whether that is right or wrong, is another question.

To be a member of the society though, you are ultimately bonded and enslaved within it, I understand this.

Unfortunately, this boils down to wisdom, knowledge and education of our people to understand this. Until they do, they will always be a servant to the master. You can be free from this situation but you are then left to fend for yourself, something that the masses would not be able to do unfortunately.

[cryst4l]

cryst4l everybody does pay & pay equally.

V.A.T & Duties.

Really, you are saying that the man down the street with only 2 pennies to rub together is in the same boat as the man with the boat on his driveway along with his 3 4x4's etc?

I cannot see in this day and age that anyone is treated equally and pays equally for their worth....only my humble opinion though :)

[decim]

There is VAT on most everything, petrol, gas, electric etc..all goods are taxed on entry to the country also with 'duties'.

Everybody pays, again & again.

Over 50% of people's earnings will go in indirect or direct taxation.

Half your working life, taken, with No accountability.

Really, you are saying that the man down the street with only 2 pennies to rub together is in the same boat as the man with the boat on his driveway along with his 3 4x4's etc?

I cannot see in this day and age that anyone is treated equally and pays equally for their worth....only my humble opinion though :)

[decim]

Can you live in the UK without having the threat of force or imprisonment over you for non payment of 'council' (in reality private corporations which have no contract with the people they maraud) tax? (there is no opt out=bondage)

I disagree here Decim. Whether we are in the society as it is today or the ways of the indigenous people, everyone came together and done their bit.

How else could you do this other than existence? You exist in their mock society so you pay the way, whether that is right or wrong, is another question.

To be a member of the society though, you are ultimately bonded and enslaved within it, I understand this.

Unfortunately, this boils down to wisdom, knowledge and education of our people to understand this. Until they do, they will always be a servant to the master. You can be free from this situation but you are then left to fend for yourself, something that the masses would not be able to do unfortunately.

[grandsecretary]

You are wrong.

A Tax levied, based on existence?

Slavery & bondage.

No, a local tax based upon getting your dustbin emptied.

[decim]

And the option to opt out?

No, a local tax based upon getting your dustbin emptied.

[grandsecretary]

But decim, everybody creates rubbish and so everyone should pay for it to be taken away and disposed of properly and healthily.

Similarly with our local libraries. Everybody benefits and so everybody should pay something towards it.

I could go on, but I have made my point.

An opt out for whom, and why please?

VAT pays for our membership of the EC by the way. It is a tax on spending. I do not like mixing taxes on income with taxes on expenditure because the result is taxes on pre-taxed expended income. That is unfair.

[decim]

The 'Poll Tax'.

Descriminating factors for qualification to pay on order.

Being aged 18.

Being above ground.

Under force of imprisonment for not paying in recognition of these preposterous criteria.

My main problem with taxation is a 'new' tax does not replace an old tax, it merely compliments.

There is no transparency, there is corruption & pilfering the poor to keep them poor.


30% of your 'council corporation' tax goes directly into 'council private employees' pensions.

But decim, everybody creates rubbish and so everyone should pay for it to be taken away and disposed of properly and healthily.

Similarly with our local libraries. Everybody benefits and so everybody should pay something towards it.

I could go on, but I have made my point.

An opt out for whom, and why please?

VAT pays for our membership of the EC by the way. It is a tax on spending. I do not like mixing taxes on income with taxes on expenditure because the result is taxes on pre-taxed expended income. That is unfair.

[grandsecretary]

decim I agree that we are over taxed and that the tax system is a mess. As usual, it is a mess - too much, whereas it never seems to be a mess - too little. That is not the point that I was making.

My point was a conceptual one, that we should ALL share the burden for useful national and local services, based upon the ability to pay.

[decim]

Agreed.

To rectify this, the usurer's & banksters grip on our throats requires prying free.

Monetary superiority complexes are the bar.


My point was a conceptual one, that we should ALL share the burden for useful national and local services, based upon the ability to pay.

[grandsecretary]

Well you know that I strongly believe "Small Is Beautiful" and I also believe that it is up to the politicians NOW to break up the banks into much smaller units. They have a golden opportunity at the moment.

Bring back Williams and Glyns, and Westminster. Sell them off while they are cheap enough to buy. We will lose money in the short run but the benefits will far outweigh the short term losses in the future !

[lightgiver]

Remember the Poll Tax? The politicians could not resist mass public opinion. I will shock you now. I agreed with the concept of the Poll Tax, but we lost the argument. THAT is democracy. No complaints. :)

Another scam,they just changed the name to council tax,disgusting.

[stewart edwards]

We are now entering the realm of social dynamics. People were rioting in the streets of london due to the poll tax. This left the government with all sorts of problems including:-

1. Risking a u-turn and been seen to have failed, something politicians can find it hard to stomach. Looking good can be seen to be better than substance.
2. Trying to be seen to move forwards while doing the good old English compromise. Keeping as many people as happish as possible, and stopping the riots.
3. The law of unexpected consequences also needs a bit of consideration, for many peoople had not gone on the electoral register to avoid paying poll tax, and fact that there was now a rioting precedent could lead to future instability in the heart of England.

Tons more but hopefully you get my point - it takes wise men and women to govern effectively and maintain stability while offering opportunity. A difficult balance.

Today politicians are worried about the BNP, but the BNP got elected becasue people voted for them and because people chose not to vote for the main parties. Trust has gone and this really must be restored.

It is similar with the EU, many in Britain dont seem to have confidence in it.

It is a sad state of affairs but it isnt rocket science, for I was taught this economic theory of politics (politicians will do what it takes to get reelected not what is best for the country) two decades ago. As a society we know the problems we just lack the will to sort it. And to sort it is easy - vote......


For me:D


Actually it is a pity that we are not a few years down the line as I think that then, due to the youth vote, that I can probably harness fairly effectively through social network driven by youngsters that I have helped, I will be able to win an election, but next year most of those who may vote for me would still be too young.

[grandsecretary]

The MOST important thing is that people power paid off. That is how it should be.

[stewart edwards]

The MOST important thing is that people power paid off. That is how it should be.Indeed. We live in a democracy. But for democracies to work they need to be led well, not just from the top but right through middle management. Just now there is a lack of confidence in societal leadership and that will take a bit of time to resolve. But for all of the rules eg on MPs expenses, what you really need are more people who are willing to stand up against egos and petty politicians, to inspire them to raise their game.

In my local town, for example, some months back the front page of the news was all about a last minute squabble between the town and local council leaders over who should be cutting the ribbon at the opening of a new building. At least the reporter had the guts to report this "illuminating" behaviour by the community leaders. You would have thought that they would have had more pressing things to worry about, I dont know like finding homes for homeless people, than a last minute public dispute over who was going to cut the ribbon.

Whether it is who cuts a ribbon, what type of duck house you have, or which of the two accounting systems, as reprted by Marta Andreason in her book (glad that she is a MEP now) you are going to enter your transactions on in the EU, our democracy has seriously slipped into the realm of darkness.

Its about time that the British people found the inner courage to stand up and demand the return of good societal leadership. You will never please everyone all of the time, but it is about time that leadership standards improved. Which is why you need people who can inspire to do exactly that.

I really cant believe that I am seriously considering a future career in politics though Peter, for I dont trust politicians as far as I can throw them and I do know how dirty it can be when I have stood up to politicians in the past. People used to say to me "Stewart if you think that you can do a better job you do it" and you know Peter I really do think that I can.

[grandsecretary]

Then you must have a go. You will not forgive yourself if you don't.

[stewart edwards]

In 5 years time at the next round of MEP elections I think that I will have a very good chance of gaining indepenent election as explained above. I just hope that they drop the £5000 deposit.

[grandsecretary]

Start campaigning now and you can raise the cash from your supporters. Put me down for 50p. :p

[stewart edwards]

Start campaigning now and you can raise the cash from your supporters. Put me down for 50p. :pOnly 9999 more donations to go then:D

I tell you what Peter while I am very much pro Europe I would still listen seriously to your perspective when in office. When you rest in your comfort zone and ignore the feelings of citizens who disagree with you you are on an easy road to darkness.

One of the beauties of changing Britain is that the youth are in no way as politically loyal as we used to be, and I do have a good reputation amongst internet savy youths who within five years will be of voting age. Some of whom are already on national youth committees. I do have a realistic stab at winning such an election.

[decim]

Are you with common purpose?

Only 9999 more donations to go then:D

I tell you what Peter while I am very much pro Europe I would still listen seriously to your perspective when in office. When you rest in your comfort zone and ignore the feelings of citizens who disagree with you you are on an easy road to darkness.

One of the beauties of changing Britain is that the youth are in no way as politically loyal as we used to be, and I do have a good reputation amongst internet savy youths who within five years will be of voting age. Some of whom are already on national youth committees. I do have a realistic stab at winning such an election.

[stewart edwards]

Are you with common purpose?No

I had never heard of CP until I came here. But I am not and have never been involved with CP.

[decim]

Those words are oxymoronic, you're wearing the wrong shoes.

Do you subscribe to karl marx' (the father of modern genocide) theories?


One of the beauties of changing Britain

[stewart edwards]

Those words are oxymoronic, you're wearing the wrong shoes.No decim I am wearing the right shoes - my own. I got to where I am today through my own efforts not through being told what to believe.

Do you subscribe to karl marx' (the father of modern genocide) theories?The last time I read Marx was twenty years ago at university as part of a political economics course. Not really remembering much about him I would have to answer I dont think so. You know my views on most things by now decim.

[cryst4l]

Question for all posters :)

What is your perception of democracy, is it a good or bad thing?

Just curious ;)

[stewart edwards]

Question for all posters :)

What is your perception of democracy, is it a good or bad thing?

Just curious ;)A very good thing. Though it has to work properly.

[grandsecretary]

Totally in favour and I would extend it when it comes to selecting the monarch from amongst the available candidates, as it used to be in Medieval times.

For instance, who would you vote for next time?

1) Prince Charles
2) Princess Anne
3) The Duke of York
4) The Earl of Wessex
3) Prince William
4) Prince Harry

I would go straight for Prince William.

[cryst4l]

A very good thing. Though it has to work properly.

OK, thanks for the reply.

Can I ask then, how do you get a system where, in theory, 51% can rule over 49% to work properly?

I know this seems to be a bit of a cute angle, it is not I ask for understanding more than anything :)

[stewart edwards]

I have no idea Peter. I suppose that I would like to see Charlie in there. I like his direct talking. Let the lads have their youth before being burdoned with the heavy chains of state.

[stewart edwards]

OK, thanks for the reply.

Can I ask then, how do you get a system where, in theory, 51% can rule over 49% to work properly?

I know this seems to be a bit of a cute angle, it is not I ask for understanding more than anything :)Simples (those merecats get everywhere):-

1. You need a society built on tolerance, mutual respect, opportunity, and balance.
2. You achieve this by inspiring people and touching hearts while simultaneously enabling people to rebalance their lives. (eg reestablishing work/life balance in practice). The first bit is easy if you have the skills and impossible if you dont, while the second bit takes a lot of heart opening across the globe in todays integrated world.
3. You must have faith and trust in those who are societies leaders, whether town councellors of the prime minister, or the chief of police and even masonic lodges. To achieve this you need people like me in a position to make such people pause for thought and open their hearts.

Does that make sense cryst4l?

[cryst4l]

Simples (those merecats get everywhere):-

1. You need a society built on tolerance, mutual respect, opportunity, and balance.
2. You achieve this by inspiring people and touching hearts while simultaneously enabling people to rebalance their lives. (eg reestablishing work/life balance in practice). The first bit is easy if you have the skills and impossible if you dont, while the second bit takes a lot of heart opening across the globe in todays integrated world.
3. You must have faith and trust in those who are societies leaders, whether town councellors of the prime minister, or the chief of police and even masonic lodges. To achieve this you need people like me in a position to make such people pause for thought and open their hearts.

Does that make sense cryst4l?

Meerkats are wondrous creatures to watch in the wild :)

It does and you make some very sound comments, I especially like the re-balancing bit. One thing that has and is destroying families and communities is by running people down to the point of exhaustion, stress and sometimes mental health problems. The work/life balance has become disproportioned to an extreme level, but I feel this is the way of the modern world :(

One thing I would say is that you or I cannot only open hearts, only themselves can do this. Yet what we can do is inspire them to look inside themselves and find the real true loving entity that they are and become attached and love thyself. This is something that modern world has brought, the autophobia pandemic IMHO

[grandsecretary]

OK, thanks for the reply.

Can I ask then, how do you get a system where, in theory, 51% can rule over 49% to work properly?

I know this seems to be a bit of a cute angle, it is not I ask for understanding more than anything :)

I hope that you do not mind me pointing out that this is a misunderstanding of how representative democracy works.

The nation (The United Kingdom) is broken down into workable or manageable constituencies of similar size/population. Candidates stand for election and are voted in on the basis of first past the post.

The winning candidates represents ALL of their constituents, irrespective of how they voted at the election.

I would like to see a system of proportional representation brought in: preference voting in single member constituencies. IMHO this would be a major improvement, retaining the system of Constituency MP's, but each one enjoying a true majority in the individual constituency.

The Government of the day is made up from those Members of Parliament who can garner a majority of seats amongst themselves in the House of Commons.

We do not count votes nationally as you suggest, winning party against all other votes combined. We do not have such a national presidential system, thank goodness.

President Gordon Brown. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/1087.gif

[cryst4l]

I hope that you do not mind me pointing out that this is a misunderstanding of how representative democracy works.
The nation (The United Kingdom) is broken down into workable or manageable constituencies of similar size/population. Candidates stand for election and are voted in on the basis of first past the post.

The winning candidates represents ALL of their constituents, irrespective of how they voted at the election.

I would like to see a system of proportional representation brought in: preference voting in single member constituencies. IMHO this would be a major improvement, whilst retaining the system of Constituency MP's.

We do not count votes nationally as you suggest, winning party against all other votes. We do not have such a national presidential system, thank goodness.

President Brown. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/1087.gif

Of course I don't GS. Some poor souls on here would allow their ego to get hurt, not me ;)

Pro representation ;) seems a lot better in my eyes. Although I hasten to add, I have no faith in those that are deemed my peers. Only the common man around me who I believe to be of good soul and nature has my vote, and they are very few and far between unfortunately. Thats not to say that my love for all withers, just hinders on the cautious side :)

[grandsecretary]

Well I keep saying it. Get in there! You can do it, and probably make a much better fist of it. Put me down for another 50p. I always was foolhardy with my money!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/050.gif

[cryst4l]

Well I keep saying it. Get in there! You can do it, and probably make a much better fist of it. Put me down for another 50p. I always was foolhardy with my money!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/050.gif

If I'm honest GS, I would be as humble to say, I would not be any good :)

I could not dream of being responsible for so many, it is a burden I would take much more heavily than any past or present. For me their have and would only be a handful of people who would not succumb to the power that would be invested in them.

The farcical situation we had with the MP's expenses is one example I could use.

[stewart edwards]

I could not dream of being responsible for so manyTook me several years to work past that one myself cryst4l. In time you will know that you are ready, if you choose to.

[stewart edwards]

The work/life balance has become disproportioned to an extreme level, but I feel this is the way of the modern world :(Easily cured once a rebalancing threshold is passed. It just needs strong leadership and an international audience.

One thing I would say is that you or I cannot only open hearts[, only themselves can do this. Yet what we can do is inspire them to look inside themselves and find the real true loving entity that they are and become attached and love thyself. I can open hearts, I have done it several times. Once opened I give you through inspiration, people can and do look inside themselves. Sometimes you just need a gentle nudge to get yourself moving to where you want to be.

Opening hearts is not difficult, but it does take a willingness on the person concerned to want to move their life forwards.

[cryst4l]

Took me several years to work past that one myself cryst4l. In time you will know that you are ready, if you choose to.

Better man than me. What happens when you can't please everyone?

There is going to be hurt and pain caused no matter and this is where I would fail, not pleasing everyone :o

Any man that says he can is a fool to himself IMHO

[cryst4l]

Easily cured once a rebalancing threshold is passed. It just needs strong leadership and an international audience.

I can open hearts, I have done it several times. Once opened I give you through inspiration, people can and do look inside themselves. Sometimes you just need a gentle nudge to get yourself moving to where you want to be.

Opening hearts is not difficult, but it does take a willingness on the person concerned to want to move their life forwards.

Not a truer word spoken :D

[stewart edwards]

Better man than me. What happens when you can't please everyone?You will never please everyone. The trick is not using this as an excuse to just feather your own pocket, but to actually do the best you can for society.

There is going to be hurt and pain caused no matter and this is where I would fail, not pleasing everyone :oNo you wouldnt fail, but it could eat you up. I struggled for several years over whether I was responsible enough to lead, and there are times that you ready do get into impossible situations where no matter what decision you make will hurt someone. The trick here is being aware of it and doing your level best to minimise the problem while retaining effectiveness (as opposed to simply seeking the middle ground).

Any man that says he can is a fool to himself IMHOPerhaps I am a fool, but I mean well.

[cryst4l]

You will never please everyone. The trick is not using this as an excuse to just feather your own pocket, but to actually do the best you can for society.

No you wouldnt fail, but it could eat you up. I struggled for several years over whether I was responsible enough to lead, and there are times that you ready do get into impossible situations where no matter what decision you make will hurt someone. The trick here is being aware of it and doing your level best to minimise the problem while retaining effectiveness (as opposed to simply seeking the middle ground).
Perhaps I am a fool, but I mean well.

You never proposed to keep everyone happy ;) and it is evident you mean well :)

The bold text is clear that we have similar views. This is something that happens on many levels, and it is clear that many do not give any regards for there fellows around them as long as they are sitting happy in the muck ;)

[grandsecretary]

Non nobus solum.

[cryst4l]

Good Morning GS,

Again, not a truer word spoken :D

It is just a shame though that most of society today cannot look at it from any other view point but selfishness.

Would it not be "Non Nobis Solum" though?

"non nobis solum nati sumus ortusque nostri partem patria vindicat, partem amici"

[kweli]

Good Morning GS,

Again, not a truer word spoken :D

It is just a shame though that most of society today cannot look at it from any other view point but selfishness.

Would it not be "Non Nobis Solum" though?

"non nobis solum nati sumus ortusque nostri partem patria vindicat, partem amici"

Aye. He's just testing us on our Latin.

[grandsecretary]

Very true. :p

[kweli]

Question for all posters :)

What is your perception of democracy, is it a good or bad thing?

Just curious ;)

I don't believe we have democracy - - it's just another one of them spells.

[stewart edwards]

I don't believe we have democracy - - it's just another one of them spells.We do have democray Kweli, one of the best in the world, it is just got a bit siezed and needs a bit of oiling (that means more people voting - if everyone voted the politicians would have to up their game and do their jobs better). Yes darkness has penetrated politics, but it has also penetrated voters. If you want change, vote, and get everyone you know to vote. Things will then improve fast.

[jakemaverick]

We do have democray Kweli, one of the best in the world, it is just got a bit siezed and needs a bit of oiling (that means more people voting - if everyone voted the politicians would have to up their game and do their jobs better). Yes darkness has penetrated politics, but it has also penetrated voters. If you want change, vote, and get everyone you know to vote. Things will then improve fast.

well i've never been allowed to vote for one.....not for want of trying!

[stewart edwards]

well i've never been allowed to vote for one.....not for want of trying!So you dont pay council tax then? Point this out to your council and you will no doubt be on the electoral register in no time jakemaverick. If you live with someone else once a year they need to fill a form in stating everyone who lives with them for the council to update their electoral register. If you are homeless I dont know what happens - sorry - must ask one of the homeless people I know.

Do you or have you ever paid national insurance or tax? Did you go to school? Records exist. And then as I said before there is your birth certificate, a copy can be got from London (quite near GQS actually if memory serves correctly so you could pop into see ugle HQ) and the records in the parish you were born in. Do you have a criminal record, if so there are records on you there that can prove your existance. Custody seargents will confirm that someone with you name was held in custody on a particular night.

[jakemaverick]

So you dont pay council tax then? Point this out to your council and you will no doubt be on the electoral register in no time jakemaverick. If you live with someone else once a year they need to fill a form in stating everyone who lives with them for the council to update their electoral register. If you are homeless I dont know what happens - sorry - must ask one of the homeless people I know.

Do you or have you ever paid national insurance or tax? Did you go to school? Records exist. And then as I said before there is your birth certificate, a copy can be got from London (quite near GQS actually if memory serves correctly so you could pop into see ugle HQ) and the records in the parish you were born in. Do you have a criminal record, if so there are records on you there that can prove your existance. Custody seargents will confirm that someone with you name was held in custody on a particular night.


mind your business!
but yes i did and was on the roll but still wnt let me vote......bastards have many way of screwing you!

worse than the proverbial banana reoublic around here now....and the fuckers are probably still pretending to be too stupid not to know that WE are at war.....

[stewart edwards]

mind your business!
but yes i did and was on the roll but still wnt let me vote......bastards have many way of screwing you!

worse than the proverbial banana reoublic around here now....and the fuckers are probably still pretending to be too stupid not to know that WE are at war.....OK as you request I will mind my own busines then and leave you to it. I hope that you do manage to get back on the ladder of life again jakemaverick.

[kweli]

We do have democray Kweli, one of the best in the world, it is just got a bit siezed and needs a bit of oiling (that means more people voting - if everyone voted the politicians would have to up their game and do their jobs better). Yes darkness has penetrated politics, but it has also penetrated voters. If you want change, vote, and get everyone you know to vote. Things will then improve fast.

"One of the best in the world" you say stewart? I really did laugh out loud when I read that. I would be here all day if I attemted to to list all the reasons why I believe - "Democracy is dead. It's been kicked, prodded, probed, mishandled, raped, and left for dead on the side of the road." But I'm not here to convince you or anyone else of my beliefs. I've tried the things you suggest, things didn't improve they only got worse.

[decim]

There are millions more who know this fact kweli..

"One of the best in the world" you say stewart? I really did laugh out loud when I read that. I would be here all day if I attemted to to list all the reasons why I believe - "Democracy is dead. It's been kicked, prodded, probed, mishandled, raped, and left for dead on the side of the road." But I'm not here to convince you or anyone else of my beliefs. I've tried the things you suggest, things didn't improve they only got worse.

[stewart edwards]

OK which countries have a better democracy that the UK?

The UKs needs to work better that if for sure but compared to many it is good.

[decim]

We don't have a democracy.

'they' do not represent the people, 'they' represent 'their' the parties interests.

Has anyone been prosecuted for the illegal aggressive iraq, afghan wars? expenses? cash for 'honours'? data loss? grand bank robbery? failing to adhere to 'their' mainfesto (a contract)? common purpose? unelected despot aka gordon brown? de menezes shooting? g20 murder? liesborn treason? suspension of double jeopardy? saudi arms deals? lockerbie? spraying the public with chemical agents? fraudulent naming of the police as public services? mandelson 3 times? 7/7? dr. david kelly? wmd's lies? treason? deliberate immigrant invasion? dumping uk gold at bankrupt prices? corrupt oil deals with qaddafi? releasing terrorist murderers in ireland? tyrannical 'fake terrorism' laws? £5.50 'minimum wage?(yes £5.50 is criminal) etc....

[grandsecretary]

We don't have a democracy.

'they' do not represent the people, 'they' represent 'their' the parties interests.

Has anyone been prosecuted for the illegal aggressive iraq, afghan wars? expenses? cash for 'honours'? data loss? grand bank robbery? failing to adhere to 'their' mainfesto (a contract)? common purpose? unelected despot aka gordon brown? de menezes shooting? g20 murder? liesborn treason? suspension of double jeopardy? saudi arms deals? lockerbie? spraying the public with chemical agents? fraudulent naming of the police as public services? mandelson 3 times? 7/7? dr. david kelly? wmd's lies? treason? deliberate immigrant invasion? dumping uk gold at bankrupt prices? corrupt oil deals with qaddafi? releasing terrorist murderers in ireland? tyrannical 'fake terrorism' laws? £5.50 'minimum wage?(yes £5.50 is criminal) etc....

You see you spoil your argument by exaggeration: a manifesto is NOT a contract. It is a public declaration of policy, not a contract.

And "they" are "you". If Stewart stood for election and succeeded, which he may well do, he would become "they", and would have his own agenda and priorities. That is how it works.

Nobody is saying that it is perfect, but your alternative in unworkable.

At least if you stood, question time would be short and to the point. "What about the corrupt oil deals with Gaddafi?" Sounds like another Beast of Bolsover!

[decim]

A verbal contract, as you well know.

Are you implying that these reps for our demokracy are to be disbelieved when 'they' present a manifesto?

'they' lie before 'they' get in, 'they' lie when 'they' are in, 'they' lie to stay in...liars, sheisters, lawyers, masons, jews, crypto catholics, traitors...

You see you spoil your argument by exaggeration: a manifesto is NOT a contract. It is a public declaration of policy, not a contract.

'they' are zionist cheer leaders like the masons.

stewart is already 'they' he is a pseudo mason & pro eu.

And "they" are "you". If Stewart stood for election and succeeded, which he may well do, he would become "they", and would have his own agenda and priorities. That is how it works.

Well it would be imperfect after a couple of dozen lines, wouldn't it.

What we have is not only 'imperfect', it is an ocean going fur lined f##king abortion, crewed by the biggest set of cnuts that ever drew breath.

'Your' current system is sinking, it is f##ked.

Nobody is saying that it is perfect, but your alternative in unworkable.

[stewart edwards]

stewart is already 'they' he is a pseudo mason & pro eu.Oh dear. Being pro EU is not a crime. Perhaps I should go back to being pro my village against all other villages which was the norm until the relatively recent past?


Re the pseudo mason bit, lets turn this around a bit shall we. I did what I did outwith the masonic world. It turns out that what I did is somewhat masonic. So arguably (and very tongue in cheek) you could argue that the masons have to be taught what I learnt to do naturally. So perhaps it should be that masons are pseudo Stewart:D

(this is why it wont be long before some are making point hand pyramid signs above their heads as I get installed;))

[grandsecretary]

A verbal contract, as you well know.

Are you implying that these reps for our demokracy are to be disbelieved when 'they' present a manifesto?

'they' lie before 'they' get in, 'they' lie when 'they' are in, 'they' lie to stay in...liars, sheisters, lawyers, masons, jews, crypto catholics, traitors...



'they' are zionist cheer leaders like the masons.

stewart is already 'they' he is a pseudo mason & pro eu.



Well it would be imperfect after a couple of dozen lines, wouldn't it.

What we have is not only 'imperfect', it is an ocean going fur lined f##king abortion, crewed by the biggest set of cnuts that ever drew breath.

'Your' current system is sinking, it is f##ked.

I am afraid that, with all of its imperfections, it cannot and will not sink, unless someone comes up with something better.

Nobody has so far - 2010 in a month or so's time.

[decim]

Yes it is, it is a criminal enterprise, and you are seeking employment by that enterprise.

Treason.

Oh dear. Being pro EU is not a crime.


Like I said pseudo mason, dress it up how you like.

Re the pseudo mason bit, lets turn this around a bit shall we. I did what I did outwith the masonic world. It tuns out that what I did is somewhat masonic. So arguably (and very tongue in cheek) you could argue that the masons have to be taught what I learnt to do naturally. So perhaps it should be that masons are pseudo Stewart:D

Whatever...

(this is why it wont be long before some are making point hand pyramid signs above their heads as I get installed;))

[stewart edwards]

Yes it is, it is a criminal enterprise, and you are seeking employment by that enterprise.Well at least I am seeking employment. And I am trying to do it to make your life better. It would be much easier simply not to bother. Lets assume that I were to become European president Decim, I would have issues of blackmail, kidnapping of me and family, torture, etc all to deal with. It has not been an easy decision to make to stand up and make a difference. I started thinking about it at the millenium and it has taken me a decade to get to the stage where I believe that I am responsible enough to do it. Would you prefer that I just let the current powers that be get on with it without my help?

Treason.Exactly how decim?



Like I said pseudo mason,Why insult me?

[decim]

The eu is a criminal enterprise, the liesborn treason is criminal.

I don't really give a toss how noble & lofty you proclaim your ideals & motives.

Yeh, yeh, we have all been done over by the 'mob' at some point in time. Crooks in suits.

I do not subscribe to your pov or the eu super tyranny.

You will never represent me or the people of England or the UK, as that which you wish to control, the people have had no say in, it is even more undemocratic than the piracy currently ensconced in downing street & whitehall.

[stewart edwards]

decim where has your fury come from?You will never represent me or the people of England or the UK, as that which you wish to control,

Since when have I wanted to control anything Decim? I want to scale up my abilities to rebalance this planet. In three separate fields I have found that I have inspired people without ever trying or meaning to - in children, in sports and in masonry. All that I am looking to do is "scale up" and make more of a difference.

[stewart edwards]

Decim

I am from Scotland.

Oversimplified history warning:-

There was a time when different clans in different glens warred with each other. Then they learnt to live together peacefully and Scotland was formed. Then in time Scotland became part of Great Britian, and Britain became part of the United Kingdom, which in time became part of the European union. It is the natural flow of the world.

I agree that the EU has been imposed without the proper consent of its citizens which is a big mistake that could easily lead to its unravelling. But it is the natural flow of society to come together, (unless religion intervenes).

Would you rather go back to the time when you had to be watchful of death form the neighbouring village?

For me, I want to make the EU more accountable to and representative of its citizens. I would not be popular there, and would most likley be quite lonely, as I helped the various powers raise their game. I would be putting myself into a position where I would be sacrificing my own happiness to make your life better decim.

And have no doubts about the sacrifcies I would have to make - my world would be turned upside down and I could loose everything that I hold dear. I would be frustrated, annoyed, disappointed all the time, I would risk being stabbed in the back from all angles, as well as the kiddnapping potential etc I mentioned above.

I dont have the power to make the EU go away decim, but I could lift it up so that it is more valued by its citizens.

[decim]

Just because that is what happened hundreds of years ago, does not make it a natural 'flow'.

Decim
I am from Scotland.
Oversimplified history warning:-
There was a time when different clans in different glens warred with each other. Then they learnt to live together peacefully and Scotland was formed. Then in time Scotland became part of Great Britian, and Britain became part of the United Kingdom, which in time became part of the European union. It is the natural flow of the world.



The options.
a) stay in eu?
b) UK invents tardis & returns to medieval times.

F>O.

The eu & the masonic zionist scum have strip mined the UK for a buck.

I agree that the EU has been imposed without the proper consent of its citizens which is a big mistake that could easily lead to its unravelling. But it is the natural flow of society to come together, (unless religion intervenes).

Would you rather go back to the time when you had to be watchful of death form the neighbouring village?

The eu has ruined the UK.

It has destroyed town, cities, villages, lives, careers, businesses, farming, fishing, mining etc etc etc

Traitors like you aiding & abetting rothschild and the high rolling bankster scum.

Don't you try and sell it to me, I have f##king lived it!

For me, I want to make the EU more accountable to and representative of its citizens. I would not be popular there, and would most likley be quite lonely, as I helped the various powers raise their game. I would be putting myself into a position where I would be sacrificing my own happiness to make your life better decim.

And have no doubts about the sacrifcies I would have to make - my world would be turned upseide down and I could loose everything that I hold dear. I would be frustrated, annoyed, disappointed all the time, I would risk being stabbed in the back from all angles, as well as the kiddnapping potential etc I mentioned above.


It will fail, rest assured, there are millions of us.

I dont have the power to make the EU go away decim, but I could lift it up so that it is more valued by its citizens.

[stewart edwards]

Traitors like you aiding & abetting rothschild and the high rolling bankster scum.

Don't you try and sell it to me, I have f##king lived it!As indeed have I and everyone else here decim.

[stewart edwards]

Hey I got a one star vote on this thread!!!

[stewart edwards]

What you aspire to be, is a Traitor.

I dont aspire to be anything decim. Seriously. My near death experience earlier this year proved to me that I had already done enough. I am simply choosing to scale up what I am good at. Why? because it would be a shame not to help as many people as I can.

[grandsecretary]

Simply by saying that you might stand for office you have become one of "them" Stewart.

Just think what you will have to put up with if you are successful.

That is why I gave up. Too many of 'em. Why should we waste our time? Let 'em get on with it. I suspect that only those who want to earn lots of money and expenses would bother standing.

Oh, goodness me ... I just realised, it's all decim's fault, and the rest of the decimators. :p

[stewart edwards]

Simply by saying that you might stand for office you have become one of "them" Stewart.

Just think what you will have to put up with if you are successful.Dont I know it peter. I have seriously considered all of this for years now.


That is why I gave up. Too many of 'em. Why should we waste our time? Let 'em get on with it. I suspect that only those who want to earn lots of money and expenses would bother.The funny thing is that I dont really mind if I become President or not, though I would like to be a MEP. President far from being something that I aspire to, is something, as I explained above, really would be a sacrific for me to do - there is a lot of downside and little upside to the job. But I do think that my unique life experiences would enable me to do heaps of good inthe job. Do I realistically ever expect to get the job - of course not. But if I were offered it I would sacrifice my life and make it work. Why? Because it matters. Though I remain far from convinced that we actually need a president, but that decision has already been taken. I would much rather the EU worked on the strength through diversity principle with each nation keeping its 6 month stint.

The really funny bit is that anyone who knows me knows that while I can stand up and be counted when it matters (much to the irritation of powers that be;):D:eek:) I really do much prefer letting others take the lead. But I am just so sick of poor standards in societal leadership that I have decided to do something about it. Lead and inspire, and illuminate those around me to raise their game. How I exactly do that in a world where I have a track record of standing up to powers that be when they let themselves and others down is not obvious.


Job Advert

Scots Bloke who will stand up and rock the boat when say-do gaps need closing, and who will expect leaders to lead well, while accepting the odd human nature failure, wants a job kicking the powers that be up the bum and knocking their heads together. Lots of references from powers that be that I have stood up to.

On a serious note - Leadership is a thankless task and I do respect anyone who does take on the chains of power. But the game needs to be raised especialy in politics. people matter, citizens matter, and if politicians dont lead well it does demoralise a nation.

[decim]

The eu is evil, it is criminal, it does not have our consent.

You wish to be part of that.

'that' pisses on the graves of millions, therefore that makes you a piss-ee, likewise with the blood, that stain becomes yours.

The eu & its helpers here in the UK have destroyed & laid waste, you expect a round of applause & a pat on the back when you announce you wish to lead our nemesis?
You bare the mark of cain.

Get a proper job, do charity work, help the UK. If you join 'them' you are no longer of 'us'.



For over two pages now you have insulted me and told me that I am things that I am not, including accusing me of being a murderer and urinating on the memories of those who died in war.

Why?

Do you think that the EU would be better for having me inspiring people to move their lifes forwards and to make the EU more relevant to its citizens or to keep away and leave the existing power structure just to get on with it?

Your words seem full of hatred towards me and that is very sad.

[jakemaverick]

Dont I know it peter. I have seriously considered all of this for years now.


The funny thing is that I dont really mind if I become President or not, though I would like to be a MEP. President far from being something that I aspire to, is something, as I explained above, really would be a sacrific for me to do - there is a lot of downside and little upside to the job. But I do think that my unique life experiences would enable me to do heaps of good inthe job. Do I realistically ever expect to get the job - of course not. But if I were offered it I would sacrifice my life and make it work. Why? Because it matters. Though I remain far from convinced that we actually need a president, but that decision has already been taken. I would much rather the EU worked on the strength through diversity principle with each nation keeping its 6 month stint.

The really funny bit is that anyone who knows me knows that while I can stand up and be counted when it matters (much to the irritation of powers that be;):D:eek:) I really do much prefer letting others take the lead. But I am just so sick of poor standards in societal leadership that I have decided to do something about it. Lead and inspire, and illuminate those around me to raise their game. How I exactly do that in a world where I have a track record of standing up to powers that be when they let themselves and others down is not obvious.


Job Advert

Scots Bloke who will stand up and rock the boat when say-do gaps need closing, and who will expect leaders to lead well, while accepting the odd human nature failure, wants a job kicking the powers that be up the bum and knocking their heads together. Lots of references from powers that be that I have stood up to.

On a serious note - Leadership is a thankless task and I do respect anyone who does take on the chains of power. But the game needs to be raised especialy in politics. people matter, citizens matter, and if politicians dont lead well it does demoralise a nation.

always gotta have the lost word you, haven't ya? ;-) :)

[stewart edwards]

Meant to say, that I wanted to do this sort of stuff back at the millenium, but I was a very lost and broken man back then. As I sat waiting for the non event of the pyramid recapstoning I was sheared by part of me wanting to do what I knew back then I could do and have since proven that I can do, and simply being worn out, lost and broken by life at the time.

[stewart edwards]

Get a proper job, do charity work, help the UK. If you join 'them' you are no longer of 'us'.You assume that I dont already do charity work in the UK- several thousand hours over the past decade I think.

[lightgiver]

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all peeing in the same porcelain pot comes to mind.:rolleyes:

EU Emissions Trade Cost U.K. 3 Billion Pounds, Taxpayers Say

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=agQi_0cL4Sn8

http://www.countrylife.co.uk/countryside/article/423901/EU-farm-subsidies-under-fire-again.html

Far to many emissions for my liking.

The List is endless.

[stewart edwards]

always gotta have the lost word you, haven't ya? ;-) :)Do I have the lost word - oh yes I do. Somewhere. (just to keep the masons happy:D)

[limelady]

O.K. this thread has degraded into nothing but insults and accusations.


I'm closing it and ranting it! :mad:


EDIT:

I have cleaned out the worst of the insults and responses from this thread, and I will shortly re-open it and return it to the open forums.

Ask the questions, give your point of view, but no more personal insults or flaming please!

[stewart edwards]

Thank you LL.

[cryst4l]

Simply by saying that you might stand for office you have become one of "them" Stewart.

Just think what you will have to put up with if you are successful.

That is why I gave up. Too many of 'em. Why should we waste our time? Let 'em get on with it. I suspect that only those who want to earn lots of money and expenses would bother standing.

Oh, goodness me ... I just realised, it's all decim's fault, and the rest of the decimators. :p

Those without morals or integrity GS :)

[stewart edwards]

Following Peters advice I have been chatting with someone today about my strategy for getting elected as MEP in 4.5 years time. For those of you in the South East of England you have a vote please use the next 4.5 years to work out whether I would be a worthy candidate for your vote.

Yes I am pro Europe. But I want to help make the EU more accountable and relevant to its citizens. As an MEP there would be little scope for me to change anything, but I could try and I could feed back much better than current MEPs do. I could keep you informed.

[stewart edwards]

Gee I didnt get the job.:D

Peter will be pleased with the result;)