Do starving Africans a favour. Don’t feed them

[truedruid]

From The Times
October 23, 2009
Do starving Africans a favour. Don’t feed them
There is famine in Kenya and Ethiopia again. Sending food and emergency relief will make things worse in the long term
Sam Kiley

The Horn of Africa is in the grip of the worst drought for 47 years! Some 23 million people are threatened with starvation! When you see children on TV with distended bellies keening over their dying parents, it would be inhuman not to be moved to tears. But do them a favour. Sit on your hands.

The situation is ghastly to be sure. But, as Christmas approaches, the most intelligent response to this latest disaster is to quote Ebenezer Scrooge and cry “bah, humbug”.

African aid organisations have been in the grip of an hysterical number inflation game since the hideous images of the Ethiopian famine were brought to our screens 25 years ago today by the BBC’s Michael Buerk. For every year that has passed the scale of Africa’s problems seem to have grown.

Aid organisations and the media have inflated the scale of subsequent horror, regardless of the truth. This year the International Rescue Committee released data from its Democratic Republic of the Congo mortality survey. “Congo’s war and aftermath have killed 5.4 million,” The Washington Post yelled, quoting the IRC. Humbug.

The IRC isn’t deliberately lying, neither was the Post. But the idea that 5.4 million people have died as a result of war in Congo is nonsense. It needs to be peddled to help to generate funds to relieve the real and hideous suffering of Congo’s population, but nonsense it remains. As the IRC admits: “Less than 10 per cent of all deaths were due to violence, with most attributed to easily preventable and treatable conditions such as malaria, diarrhoea, pneumonia and malnutrition.”

The IRC is saying, really, that the Congolese are dying because they are poor. Recent work by André Lambert and Louis Lohlé-Tart shows that the rising mortality rate predates the wars there. But combine “war’’ with “millions dead’’ and you have a donation-winning headline We all do it. We use statistics to highlight the horrors in Africa to drive home the unbelievable scale of the continent’s problems. But that’s the problem: the scale has become unbelievable. Twenty-three million? From my experience of two decades’ reporting from Africa, I can say with absolute confidence that this is humbug. Did anyone count them? No.

Oxfam says that 3.8 million Kenyans, more than 3.8 million Somalis, and 13.7 million Ethiopians “need aid”. Implicit in this is that they could perish through lack of food. In Kenya it might be possible to make this guess. But in Somalia, which has been in a post-apocalyptic state of anarchy since 1991?

There is a drought. Just as there is every ten years. This is the worst in a generation. But even if 23 million people do face starvation, please don’t reach for your cheque book. Foreign aid is the principal reason for Africa’s accumulated agony.

According to Oxfam: “Food aid saves lives, but it crowds out other ... initiatives that support communities’ strategies to prevent the next drought from becoming a disaster.” Exactly. If we send help now, we’ll be killing more people later because more people will be bred and no one will think to save any crops to feed them.

Kenya is having a terrible time. But it would not be doing so if the breadbasket in the west of the country had not been torn apart by ethnic violence. If the agricultural outreach programmes, which helped farmers to improve productivity through the 1960s and 1970s, had not collapsed, if the Government’s milk and beef marketing system was not ruined by corruption, and if people had not been settled on marginal land that can never sustain them, then Kenya would be able to feed itself even in times of drought.

When the rains do come to Kenya there are not enough seed stocks. Kenya’s politicians have stolen much of the aid that we have sent them, and now we are expected to feed their constituents. Every time Kenya, or for that matter Ethiopia, has faced a food shortage the wealthy nations have come to the rescue.

Oxfam reveals in its latest paper, Band Aids and Beyond, that between 70 and 92 per cent of US aid to Ethiopia has been food aid — and almost all of that was the surplus product of American farms. So Ethiopia has had no need to feed itself. Worse still, Ethiopia and Eritrea spent billions that should have been used to develop self-sufficiency between 1998 and 2000 on a border war over a mess of barren rocks. They could do this because we in the wealthy North fed the populations of both countries.

So, what to do? For an answer I turn to Birham Woldu, who survived the (man-made) 1984 famine in Ethiopia.

“Constantly shipping food from places like the US is costly, uneconomic, and can encourage dependency,” she writes in the Oxfam report. “We are a big country and when there is famine in one part of the country, there is plenty in another. So we need better infrastructure and communications to move food around to where it is needed. Above all we need education.”

If they want to badly enough, the Ethiopians can sort out their own roads. So that leaves education. We can help Africans to help themselves by donating to charities that ring-fence funding for education. If they don’t do it, don’t give. Mark all cheques “not for food” if you have to.

With education Africans can and will rid themselves of the incompetent and corrupt leaders that we have kept in power through foreign aid for decades. Educated Africans will bring an end to a dangerous cycle of humbug.

Sam Kiley is a former Africa bureau chief of The TimesDon't help the staving in africa this Christmas, because they will only expect it next year. Spend it in the shops instead, they don't expect your money.

[snapdragon]

I agree, interfering with other nations who have not attained the levels of understanding that we have (especially in the third world) is a grave sin, because it will forever ruin their chances.

It is also bad the way the PTB strategically dump food onto them now and again. For example, if they build irrigation and plant tomatoes and nurture them all year, they PTB will wait until harvest time an will go and dump a load of food aid there so that the tomatoes are worth nothing to the farmer, then the next year he won't bother as last year it made him a loss, the next year they grow no tomatoes and no aid comes either. It's a scam and a sham.

[truedruid]

I agree, interfering with other nations who have not attained the levels of understanding that we have (especially in the third world) is a grave sin, because it will forever ruin their chances.

It is also bad the way the PTB strategically dump food onto them now and again. For example, if they build irrigation and plant tomatoes and nurture them all year, they PTB will wait until harvest time an will go and dump a load of food aid there so that the tomatoes are worth nothing to the farmer, then the next year he won't bother as last year it made him a loss, the next year they grow no tomatoes and no aid comes either. It's a scam and a sham.

Yet they send the army to Afghanistan to stop an illegal ballot, just don't add up.
The africans have survived since....well since before us as told on Question time, now there's droughts, must be global warming.

[gods sun]

dont feed them and castrate all of the infected and start again who gives a damn what bonothinks its the truth.

[gilly]

dont feed them and castrate all of the infected and start again who gives a damn what bonothinks its the truth.

I bloody hope you meant sterilise!!!

[flyermay]

I agree, interfering with other nations who have not attained the levels of understanding that we have (especially in the third world) is a grave sin, because it will forever ruin their chances.

It is also bad the way the PTB strategically dump food onto them now and again. For example, if they build irrigation and plant tomatoes and nurture them all year, they PTB will wait until harvest time an will go and dump a load of food aid there so that the tomatoes are worth nothing to the farmer, then the next year he won't bother as last year it made him a loss, the next year they grow no tomatoes and no aid comes either. It's a scam and a sham.

That's the point of international aid, make them fully dependable on the west.

[annuskatus]

We should also stop buying US made goods totally. Nothing good has ever come from that nation. Their system doesn't work and we are artifially extending the suffering among them. After they have finally gone we can take all that land they can't cultivate properly. Can't you see, we are making them unhappiest nation on earth!! :cool:

[flyermay]

We should also stop buying US made goods totally. Nothing good has ever come from that nation.

lol

[rollotomaz1]

Don't help the staving in africa this Christmas, because they will only expect it next year. Spend it in the shops instead, they don't expect your money.

This video says it all

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3162503821561656641&ei=Cg3jSrmOGoK82gKw36DeCQ&q=falling+ffod#

[kasalt]

Don't help the staving in africa this Christmas, because they will only expect it next year. Spend it in the shops instead, they don't expect your money.

I've been waiting for a thread like this to come along so I could post this:

Sam Kinnison on World Hunger - YouTube

[truedruid]

live were the food is.that's not that easy. After talking to a refugee for a few days he told me, the day he left his village, the whole village got up and left. one day he told me it was because he was being persecuted the next he told me the village just could not be bothered any more and left.
If you look on flashearth with the clouds on the screen, you can see that the clouds are only over the green areas. Now my question is: are the clouds making the land fertile or is the fertile land making the clouds. Why are some parts of Africa rich and others not. Why are we being asked to feed Africa when apartide has been abolished, leaving it open for africa to sort it's self out.


Personally I think they should grow Cannabis and sell it on the streets, or even export it to wealthy nations.

[meksar]

They don't give a damn about the 3rd world any food they send there is out of date and been in storage. The 3rd world needs to be allowed to feed itself and a lot of this elite controlled charity while not help in the long-term.

[michael christopher]

dont feed them and castrate all of the infected and start again who gives a damn what bonothinks its the truth.

Do you know how they can tell who is "infected" in Africa?

They have a doctor look at you and make a diagnosis. This is why AIDS numbers are so dramatically (and incorrectly) inflated.

So you would have doctors look at people and say "He's infected, castrate him"?

They don't do extensive testing. It's Africa. They assume people have AIDS if they have an immune system deficiency of any kind over there. Diagnosis is made ON SIGHT by merely looking at the patient's symptoms. That's just a fact.

Maybe stupid Westerners should be castrated too.

[clozaril]

what annoys me is MSM are now blaming the droughts in kenya on global warming yet the warning signs, due to growing food and flowers for us in the UK, have been around for more than 10yrs. :(

this quote below is from 11 yrs ago
Irrigation systems used by the flower industry make heavy demands on local water resources. A Dutch Ministry of Agriculture official has estimated that an extra 15cm of water is being extracted each year from Lake Naivasha by the flower growers. This inevitably means that less water is available for farmers producing food crops.

from 5 yrs ago
Flowers picked and packed under Kenya’s fierce noon sun appear two days later on the shelves in Marks & Spencer, Tesco or Morrisons bearing cosy names such as Mixed Posy Thatcham.

In a country where more than half the people live on less than a dollar a day and unemployment is 15 per cent, the lure of well-paid work has helped Naivasha’s population to grow from 50,000 in 1985 to 300,000 today. That has placed intense pressure on the area’s ecosystem, and the core of that is the 170 sq km (65 sq mile) lake.

[rollotomaz1]

The weather is indicative of the amount of given pollution in the atmosphere in the order of rain being formed, there is an explanation in the film Global Dimming which sums it up well,

Most of the planets land has been degraded by about 70% over the last 150 years some land remains in good condition due to good management and replacement of the nutriants needed to grow the crops, but where we see constant take and no replace or where we se slash and burn, we see rape of the land which eventually become only suitable for nothing other than prarie and poor grassland after that, and we see land that is forced along with chemicals and fertilisers.

As TrueDruid says, Simply moving from one place to another is not always possible because an area of fertile land already has the right amount of population it can support if done and worked manually along with nature, if a drought occurs in another area year upon year, there isn't enough land to grow enough food for any mass who migrate into another area and refugee camps are needed to support the totals after migration has taken place, if not competition between the locals and the visitors can occur, which we have already seen last year in Africa where many people were massacred, on their own land because of an imbalance occuring.

The whole system is made many time worse by feeding a third world peoples without also educating them at the same time, unless this system is addopted it always ends in Nought.

What really pisses me off is, religion has such a hold on most of these people and churches have a collosal amount of funds which they could share with the needy and are not doing as much as they could be, and instead thousands of independant charities are doing their job for them, and facts show that most charities only get to the cause around 5 % of total revenue, where has the rest gone ?.

Feed an educate, otherwise be cruel to be kind.

[flyermay]

The west has to stop exploiting, interfering and selling arms to the third world. Most of their main resources are owned or controlled by western corporations, so any wealth they produce is taken away for peanuts. Globalisation is also jeoperdizing any chance of local industry to succeed.

I'm not against sending them aid, but I am against sending it in exchange for control over them.

"International aid is collecting money from the poor in rich countries, and giving it to the rich in poor countries" (anonymous).

[musics]

The west has to stop exploiting, interfering and selling arms to the third world. Most of their main resources are owned or controlled by western corporations, so any wealth they produce is taken away for peanuts. Globalisation is also jeoperdizing any chance of local industry to succeed.

I'm not against sending them aid, but I am against sending it in exchange for control over them.

"International aid is collecting money from the poor in rich countries, and giving it to the rich in poor countries" (anonymous).

Exactly, Tel-lie-Vision, it's the PTB aim to keep the richest contiant poor.

[rollotomaz1]

The west has to stop exploiting, interfering and selling arms to the third world. Most of their main resources are owned or controlled by western corporations, so any wealth they produce is taken away for peanuts. Globalisation is also jeoperdizing any chance of local industry to succeed.

I'm not against sending them aid, but I am against sending it in exchange for control over them.

"International aid is collecting money from the poor in rich countries, and giving it to the rich in poor countries" (anonymous).

As I said earlier only 5 % of what you send them actually gets to the real cause the rest goes somewhere else.

[skyver]

I find it quiet disturbing how there is this movement saying "don't feed them- they will only expect more..". What really should have happened is that the Western powers should have kept themselves from interfering with Africa from way back. It is not as simple as carrying out moves like this. You should learn, people, how govt's like the UK manage to control big swathes of Africa's industry & the dirty moves it pulled to control. it. Look how the UK took over certain african countries water companies. I haven't looked into this myself in a few years. But I recall being shocked at the tactics used on these countries. Look at how the IMF operates as well.

Saying that. Africa does need to try & do more to protect itself. Then again it is not only Africans who are being apathetic. Look at how the average American is acting when he/she can see blatantly that the leaders have a very dark & disturbing future planned for its citizens

[planetj]

Do you know how they can tell who is "infected" in Africa?

They have a doctor look at you and make a diagnosis. This is why AIDS numbers are so dramatically (and incorrectly) inflated.

So you would have doctors look at people and say "He's infected, castrate him"?

They don't do extensive testing. It's Africa. They assume people have AIDS if they have an immune system deficiency of any kind over there. Diagnosis is made ON SIGHT by merely looking at the patient's symptoms. That's just a fact.

Maybe stupid Westerners should be castrated too.

I totally agree with you on the medical situation in Africa. Many doctors mis-diagnose their patients and that's why some of the numbers may be inflated. There are many diseases that may seem to be AIDS related in appearance such as "KS." that could be confused with the AIDS virus.

I agree the "castrating" comment has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen on this board. What about infected women? There is nothing to cut off, so I guess they would just have to kill them. :rolleyes:

[soleil]

I was in Zimbabwe during the farm invasion period and was having a beer and a braai when the 'war vets' turned up singing revolutionary songs. The farmers were in radio contact with each other and they received regular 'sit-reps' from farms across the country.

One particular report about a farm invasion described how the charity 'World Vision' was driving 'war vets' on their trucks to take over the farms. Now we all know who inherited these farms and the famine that has followed. I dare say that charities do quite well out of African misery...

[grannymoose]

I bloody hope you meant sterilise!!!

hehehe i hope he did too :)

[meksar]

I find it quiet disturbing how there is this movement saying "don't feed them- they will only expect more..". What really should have happened is that the Western powers should have kept themselves from interfering with Africa from way back. It is not as simple as carrying out moves like this. You should learn, people, how govt's like the UK manage to control big swathes of Africa's industry & the dirty moves it pulled to control. it. Look how the UK took over certain african countries water companies. I haven't looked into this myself in a few years. But I recall being shocked at the tactics used on these countries. Look at how the IMF operates as well.

Saying that. Africa does need to try & do more to protect itself. Then again it is not only Africans who are being apathetic. Look at how the average American is acting when he/she can see blatantly that the leaders have a very dark & disturbing future planned for its citizens

They have raped Africa and the 3rd world for all it is worth, and all of the African leaders are controlled and some even from the Illuminati bloodlines. People like Cecil Rhodes and the Oppenheimer family etc are the people who established the western controlled structure.

[voynich]

Whilst the idea may have some merit, just remember that the English were accused of not feeding and helping the Irish enough during the potato famine. Would we really want a situation down the line were we have resentment and anger from Africans blaming the west because we did not help them at a time when they were facing starvation.

[rollotomaz1]

I find it quiet disturbing how there is this movement saying "don't feed them- they will only expect more..". What really should have happened is that the Western powers should have kept themselves from interfering with Africa from way back. It is not as simple as carrying out moves like this. You should learn, people, how govt's like the UK manage to control big swathes of Africa's industry & the dirty moves it pulled to control. it. Look how the UK took over certain african countries water companies. I haven't looked into this myself in a few years. But I recall being shocked at the tactics used on these countries. Look at how the IMF operates as well.

Saying that. Africa does need to try & do more to protect itself. Then again it is not only Africans who are being apathetic. Look at how the average American is acting when he/she can see blatantly that the leaders have a very dark & disturbing future planned for its citizens

I can tell you why the English and the rest of Europe interfered with African life, and we have to remember at the time of our Empire here was a nation capable of feeding itself without the help from us and had managed to do so for thousands of year, that all ended when we started sticking our noses in because of what Livingstone had found in the way of riches, a task he was sent by the royals to find out.

When Sakah Zulu first saw the new settlers on the shore he let them be, a mistake he was to regret later when Cecil Rhodes and his croanies got their hooks into the two leading Zulu cheifs at the time, this was one of those Borg moments in time, another huge destruction of a way of life once peaceful, again the white man devil doing what he knows best.

History folks check your history for many of the answers we are asking today.

[ashanti_kingdom]

Africa is a freeking continent....Not everyone in Africa is starving.

Is easy for you to sit behind ur pc and type up shyt and feel good after becos it made sense to you. Travel and see.

Africans are the most happy's ppl on earth and I have been there so many times. They have little but they are very very happy.

Oh next time you say africa mention which apart of africa it is...

[steevo]

I've been waiting for a thread like this to come along so I could post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao

The "deserts" were created by the corporate fascists.

[firstlook]

I agree, interfering with other nations who have not attained the levels of understanding that we have (especially in the third world) is a grave sin, because it will forever ruin their chances.

It is also bad the way the PTB strategically dump food onto them now and again. For example, if they build irrigation and plant tomatoes and nurture them all year, they PTB will wait until harvest time an will go and dump a load of food aid there so that the tomatoes are worth nothing to the farmer, then the next year he won't bother as last year it made him a loss, the next year they grow no tomatoes and no aid comes either. It's a scam and a sham.

I thought people actually have to live to attain are level of "understanding".:confused:

No, no. This is just a simple case of centralization of reseources. Or even shorter. Control. Come on folks, this isnt even a question anymore.

[rollotomaz1]

Africa is a freeking continent....Not everyone in Africa is starving.

Is easy for you to sit behind ur pc and type up shyt and feel good after becos it made sense to you. Travel and see.

Africans are the most happy's ppl on earth and I have been there so many times. They have little but they are very very happy.

Oh next time you say africa mention which apart of africa it is...

A merry message indeed, travel indeed and polute the atmosphere whilst doing it, we should leave them alone, and let them work it out for themselves,

Africa as a whole today is being tampered with by most nations of the world there has been so much bloodshed over the last 50 years because of western interference and looting to last them for many generations to come,

of course there are many happy poor people in Africa today, that's about all that many have left, 74.9% of the population lived on less than $2 a day and 44% lived on less than $1 a day, its not money they need its freedom to choose their own ways of life, instead of trying to bring them down to our level.

There are now over 1.2 billion hungry people in the world today guess where most are from, yes its all so very easy to shout orders and crass towards another from behind a PC screen, I was like that after my first pint, don't worry it will soon wear off.

If you travel around the people are only too happy to see you, try going to see Mr Mugabe and his happy people and ask them how they feel, same goes for all the other states with something worth stealing, Africa will never be fully happy until the last white man has left the continent.

[rollotomaz1]

Whilst the idea may have some merit, just remember that the English were accused of not feeding and helping the Irish enough during the potato famine. Would we really want a situation down the line were we have resentment and anger from Africans blaming the west because we did not help them at a time when they were facing starvation.

The Irish famine need never have happened at all, there were 7 really huge container ships full of many other root vedge leaving on a daily basis at that time bound for America, bought by the Rothschilds and other rich businesses, we were not only not helping them, we were starving them out for their land.

Africa is no different, this time we are selling them guns to help themselves, instead of selling them technology that will feed themselves, its all been done before the Zulu nation had spears to fight their own squabbles but they also had plenty of food and would have been happy if we had simply left them alone, why fix it if its not broken, unless there is an alterior motives, called greed and control.

Even in Europe there was famine, where drought upon drought cut back the population by 20-30% but we got over it.

[kasalt]

The "deserts" were created by the corporate fascists.

Corporate fascists did not create the Sahara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia desert, which has been hot an largely dry for 5,000 years.

[rollotomaz1]

Corporate fascists did not create the Sahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara) desert, which has been hot an largely dry for 5,000 years.

An intresting story of how the deserts and different parts of the world were formed, where our coal reserves came from etc,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n8t48/In_Our_Time_The_Geological_Formation_of_Britain/

[steevo]

Corporate fascists did not create the Sahara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara) desert, which has been hot an largely dry for 5,000 years.

They created a hell of alot of starvation by destroying the natural eco system.

[dedicate]

Has anyone heard of the "Night of Red Sky Prophecy" by Grandfather, an American Indian? It pertains to the topic here, and concerns four visions received by Grandfather in the years about 1920. The visions were warnings to mankind and when the world would see the visions as fact, then that would mark a time when mankind must change his ways. If he failed after the first fulfillment, then would come the second more dire warning,, etc.. YOu can google the title and read the entire vision..

It was the first vision which pertains to the topic here.---

"I had a Vision," Grandfather said. "It was a Vision of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator's wrath."

"How will I know these warnings, these signs?" I asked.......

The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."



With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.

The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick. He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair. Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey. As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper. Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.......

The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."

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The old one continued. "These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."



The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said: "This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."

[rollotomaz1]

Has anyone heard of the "Night of Red Sky Prophecy" by Grandfather, an American Indian? It pertains to the topic here, and concerns four visions received by Grandfather in the years about 1920. The visions were warnings to mankind and when the world would see the visions as fact, then that would mark a time when mankind must change his ways. If he failed after the first fulfillment, then would come the second more dire warning,, etc.. YOu can google the title and read the entire vision..

It was the first vision which pertains to the topic here.---

"I had a Vision," Grandfather said. "It was a Vision of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator's wrath."

"How will I know these warnings, these signs?" I asked.......

The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator. There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."

With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.

The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick. He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair. Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey. As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper. Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.......

The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."

The old one continued. "These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society. It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."

The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said: "This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one. The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."

A common scense story throughout, and a man who has the ability to read his grandson's mind because he himself was once a your boy.

The old man is a mature and valuable student of life with a lot of knowledge as are most of our elderly, who have made the mistakes before and know what it takes to help others to make the right choices in any given situation.

There are many who know what will and could happen again but there is nothing they can do to change things, without a common thought only a few are going to listen,

Nature works for us every day for nothing and never asks for anything back and the signs are already showing their hand, 55,000 species each year are leaving us, one day we will follow if we stay on our current path, its only a matter of EVOLUTION and regeneration.

[musics]

africa is a freeking continent....not everyone in africa is starving.

Is easy for you to sit behind ur pc and type up shyt and feel good after becos it made sense to you. Travel and see.

Africans are the most happy's ppl on earth and i have been there so many times. They have little but they are very very happy.

Oh next time you say africa mention which apart of africa it is...

so true!!!!!

[anthony65]

I agree, interfering with other nations who have not attained the levels of understanding that we have (especially in the third world) is a grave sin, because it will forever ruin their chances.

It is also bad the way the PTB strategically dump food onto them now and again. For example, if they build irrigation and plant tomatoes and nurture them all year, they PTB will wait until harvest time an will go and dump a load of food aid there so that the tomatoes are worth nothing to the farmer, then the next year he won't bother as last year it made him a loss, the next year they grow no tomatoes and no aid comes either. It's a scam and a sham.

What really pisses me off is that interfering with other nations comes in many forms...

The article says "The Horn of Africa is in the grip of the worst drought for 47 years!", which more than likely is the result of Uncle Sams weather modification arsenal...

Evil, evil bastards that they are! :mad:

[f13ld]

I agree for us to stop sending food and money to Africa because there are plenty of starving people here in America, especially with the recent economic downturn.

Look, if I lived there I would go into the jungle and shoot me a fuckin lion, or elephant, giraffe, hyena, wilderbeast, or some other big ass animal that would feed a family of 12 for a week.

Then...I would start my own african beast hunting and feeding service where I would sell the meat real cheap to my local community and make people happy. Then we could say screw the western world! ha

[gaias child]

WOW. what an incredible selfish thread, completely disconnected from our fellow human beings without an ounce of empathy for the suffering of innocent people.

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading, like they are starving because they do not have our level of understaning in the west.

Poverty stricken People in third world countries in my experience have more spirituality in their little fingers than those in the west, the are usually very hospitable and will always share with guests what little they have.

Starvation in the third world is deliberately manipulated and there is more than enough on the planet for everyone's need, but just not enough for everyones' greed, sadly.

This thread makes me feel there is very little hope for humanity, if these are the kinds of views the majority of people have

[tusme]

WOW. what an incredible selfish thread, completely disconnected from our fellow human beings without an ounce of empathy for the suffering of innocent people.

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading, like they are starving because they do not have our level of understaning in the west.

Poverty stricken People in third world countries in my experience have more spirituality in their little fingers than those in the west, the are usually very hospitable and will always share with guests what little they have.

Starvation in the third world is deliberately manipulated and there is more than enough on the planet for everyone's need, but just not enough for everyones' greed, sadly.

This thread makes me feel there is very little hope for humanity, if these are the kinds of views the majority of people have
Sad, but true...!!

Good post, Gaias child...!!

[them]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7606535285463338947#

As the Charity Department at the Treasury
Dispenses licenses so you can do one too
The Ethiopians are running out of weaponry
So their leaders stock it up instead of food
And charity begins at home
So get out on the streets
And help the refugees

And the manager of E.M.I. technology
Seems reluctant to discuss his business deals
Cos the weapon sales are paying for his meals
He'll go to withering heights
To keep it out of sight

Profit! Weaponry doesn't feed refugees
It's a hit! McCartney's saying please on T.V.'s royalties to feed the world with guns

Wembley Stadium forever on the video
And a million spent to raise that sixty more
Nothing ever quite as big as this before
And it broke our hearts
As it topped the charts

But when the overkill exploited the reality
We forgot the facts and revelled in the noise
We didn't see that while we had the voice
Companies and laws were pulling vocal chords

If the western world was less obsessed with property
And the need to keep it safe with threats of war
Then the third world wouldn't need a war economy
That we're supplying at a cost they can't afford
So we buy up all their crops and grain
And sell it back again
When there ain't no rain
And have a big campaign
Using famous names
And as the penny drops
Into the Oxfam box
Take off the V.A.T.
Then call it charity

And the public think the government is wonderful
For promoting our assistance to the poor
But their profits are a whole lot more
They create the need to feed the refugees
And delegate the guilty feeling to the public eye
Via pictures of starvation on T.V.
And get the public conscience back out on the streets
With the empty tins
And little flags on pins
Lets call it charity
Lets call it charity
Make it pay!
Citizen Fish Charity - YouTube


That was a song by a band called Citizen Fish from 1990. I saw them in Glastonbury recently! They're touring in the United States at the moment!

http://www.citizenfish.com/ (http://www.citizenfish.com/)

[lightgiver]

When Sakah Zulu first saw the new settlers on the shore he let them be, a mistake he was to regret later when Cecil Rhodes and his croanies got their hooks into the two leading Zulu cheifs at the time, this was one of those Borg moments in time, another huge destruction of a way of life once peaceful, again the white man devil doing what he knows best.

History folks check your history for many of the answers we are asking today.

Good post there mate,a lot tend to forget history and not the one we have officially been given,so to speak ;)

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
George Orwell

If you know your history,
Then you would know where you coming from,
Then you wouldnt have to ask me,
Who the eck do I think I am.

BOB.

[kasalt]

I was in Zimbabwe during the farm invasion period and was having a beer and a braai when the 'war vets' turned up singing revolutionary songs. The farmers were in radio contact with each other and they received regular 'sit-reps' from farms across the country.

One particular report about a farm invasion described how the charity 'World Vision' was driving 'war vets' on their trucks to take over the farms. Now we all know who inherited these farms and the famine that has followed. I dare say that charities do quite well out of African misery...

I just thought the above quote deserves to be reposted as it really gets to the heart of some of the real problems in Africa.

[rollotomaz1]

I just thought the above quote deserves to be reposted as it really gets to the heart of some of the real problems in Africa.

AHH THE GOOD OLD CHARITIES

Only 5% ever gets to the cause, the rest to their own cause, they say charity begins at home, right in through your letter box,

What I do with these is write the return address on the envolope and send them it back so they pick up the tab for postage.

[gaias child]

Most large charities are controlled by illuminati.

In my mind there is no need for anyone to starve on this planet, there is enough for everyones need but not everyones greed. These poor people in Africa and other third world countries are among the most spiritual loving people I've ever met, not like the greedy selfish westerners, they will give you a westerner as a guest, their last food, or last teabag, they are so gracious and humble so to see the title of the thread is very upsetting, although I do understand the issues raised.

[sofa king]

I've been waiting for a thread like this to come along so I could post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao



one of my favourite Kinisin skits!