Dithering Dick, Deranged VP of the Radical Right

[danceswithbunnies]

My Comments:Former VP actually, but he is still running things from the undisclosed bunker inside his head apparently..and is apoplectic that Obama MAY stop the full on torture policy which is the radi cal right's stock and trade...wether it is strapped to a gurney being waterboarded or burning in hell forever by angry and capricious god...the right runs on FEAR and Torture..

When Dick Cheney starts with these kind of comments, it sounds more like threats... i would ask: Are dick and his little friends planning another terrorist attack?

MY Suggestion for Darth Cheney:
A nice padded cell at Gitmo where Cher Music is piped in 24/7.



Full article at:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-22/cheneys-blood-lust/?cid=hp:justposted1


Cheney Blood Lust

by Lee Siegel



Dick Cheney Saul Loeb, AFP / Getty Images Cheney's "dithering" salvo was just the latest attack on Obama from the former vice president and his daughters. Lee Siegel on a family crusade worthy of Ancient Greece.

There is something Greek about the Cheney family’s obsessive persecution of President Obama. Ancient Greek, that is. It recalls the vindictive persecution of the House of Atreus by the Furies in Aeschylus’ great trilogy of tragic plays, The Oresteia. The Cheneys’ Fury-like pursuit of Obama is relentless, irrational, and unforgiving.
(My Comment: Too bad Obama will not pursue the sadistic tortures of the Bush admin and put these bastards in jail where they belong)

First Dick Cheney, on three separate occasions, declares that Obama is making the country more vulnerable to terrorist attack, accuses the president of using the economic crisis as a pretext to expand the government, and agrees with a conservative talking head that Obama is “telegraphing weakness” to the terrorists.

Like the Furies, the Cheneys stand for unreason and emotionalism. Revenge is their milk and their meat.

Then his eldest daughter, Liz, proposes on Fox News that in the wake of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize, the president send the mother of a fallen soldier to Oslo to accept the award on behalf of the U.S. military—as if it was Obama, and not her father, whose stupidity and greed has sent thousands of Americans to their death in Iraq. And recently, Cheney’s youngest daughter, Mary, announced the creation of an international consulting firm that will, no doubt, facilitate any and all opposition to the slightest Obama initiative.

And just this past Wednesday there was Dick Cheney himself, the chief Fury, publicly accusing Obama of putting at risk American troops in Afghanistan by “dithering,” charging that Obama is “afraid to make a decision,” and saying that the president is endangering the American “homeland.”

Cheney’s public belittling of Obama, his near-seditious claims that Obama is working against the country’s best interests and allowing America’s enemies to gain the upper hand—such vengeful attacks by a previous vice president, let alone by any former high elected official, against a sitting president are without precedent. You feel that in Cheney’s grim zeal he is not simply refusing to leave the stage, but reliving his glory days fighting the good Manichaean fight against absolute evil—this time against a president who is, in Cheney’s mind, the moral extension of the shadowy terrorists he pursued while commandeering the White House. Then, too, perhaps Cheney was so used to bending to his will the emotional weakling he served under for so long that his drubbing of Obama is simply the only way he knows how to relate to a president.

There is something primitive—something along the lines of magical thinking—about the way the former vice president projects his psyche onto reality.

For Aeschylus, the Furies represented, in fact, a primitive age, where unreason ruled and vengeance was the only form of legal redress. Rational justice had yet to be born. The Furies were personifications of the murdered dead, who wreaked their revenge on the murderers. Such wild, lethal doomfulness seems to be Dick Cheney’s native element.

The primal sin of the House of Atreus, which aroused the Furies’ centuries-long vindictive wrath, was Tantalus’ murder of his son, Pelops, whom he tried to serve up to the unwitting gods. Resurrected by the gods, Pelops has a son whom he names Atreus, and Atreus repeats the family curse. He kills his half-brother to get his money and then murders and serves up as dinner his brother Thyestes’ children to Thyestes as payback for the latter’s adultery with Atreus’ wife. From then on, the descendants of the House of Atreus turn on and murder each other in an endless cycle of revenge: father kills daughter, wife kills husband, son kills mother.

Yet in the final moments of Aeschylus’ trilogy, Athena breaks the power of the Furies and votes to acquit Orestes of the crime of killing his mother (who had murdered Orestes’ father). Thus Athena replaces unreason with reason, and revenge with the spirit of clemency.

Like the Furies, the Cheneys stand for unreason and emotionalism. Revenge is their milk and their meat. Obama’s Age of Reason—the advent of Athena—drives them into a rage, which in turn impels them to pursue Obama relentlessly to punish him for his crimes against what their hearts know to be true.

REST OF ARTICLE AT LINK

[logos880]

When Dick Cheney starts with these kind of comments, it sounds more like threats... i would ask: Are dick and his little friends planning another terrorist attack?

Are you implying that Obama is not part of Dick's group of little friends?

First Dick Cheney, on three separate occasions, declares that Obama is making the country more vulnerable to terrorist attack, accuses the president of using the economic crisis as a pretext to expand the government, and agrees with a conservative talking head that Obama is “telegraphing weakness” to the terrorists.

There is a seed of truth here, the establishment is definitely using the current economic "crisis" as an excuse to expand the federal government.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

Honestly, I think this article is partisan BS designed to make Obama look weak on his foreign policy to illicit a fear response in the American public that would lead to war. Dems = Repubs.

[danceswithbunnies]

When Dick Cheney starts with these kind of comments, it sounds more like threats... i would ask: Are dick and his little friends planning another terrorist attack?

Are you implying that Obama is not part of Dick's group of little friends?



There is a seed of truth here, the establishment is definitely using the current economic "crisis" as an excuse to expand the federal government.



Honestly, I think this article is partisan BS designed to make Obama look weak on his foreign policy to illicit a fear response in the American public that would lead to war. Dems = Repubs.


I am not so sure Obama IS part of Dick's coterie of death cult rejects..
The republican party is always whining about National Security...which is , to me, just code for crimes committed by their administrationws...the fact that Obama is now hounding "intelligence" agents to find out how deep the crimes of the previous administration are...is a hopeful sign.

While there are elements of the establishment in the democratic party, like Bill Clinton...and Obama having hired Geithner as treasury secretary does not bode well.. having watched the federal government here in the states for over 40 years, i know that the republicans literally are the kiss of death.
Having witnessed and lived through the country struggle yet again after each and every republican dominated administration, i came to realize that the democrats at least have disparate and diverse participants, whereas the right is very sharply focused (death destruction and fiscal rape are their calling card)..this is WHY the right has basically hijacked the damn country over the last 40 years...the democrats can't pull into sharp focus the way the right does..they are too diverse.

Obama is not putting all his cards on the table.
It definitely appears that he is trying to reverse forty years of damage starting with health insurance industry.

(as the victim of a violent crime i can tell you that my experience in a six year court fight...is that the insurance companies literally run our court system. In my case they got a federal judge to bend the rules for them after i had won a settlement)

Next, Obama has started taking on the banking industry.
If you do not see everything he is doing it is because to put all his cards on the table could put his life in danger.

I think the Bush admin wanted to leave the country in deep shit to hand off to an administration they knew was going to be democrat. Repubs run on PERSONAL CRISIS...i have watched them do this for 40 years now...they create a crisis and then set themselves up as saviors.

I actually do not buy the argument that Obama is totally bought out...i have been following the news closely and his actions show that he is fighting in earnest...what everyone in america DOES need to realize is that the SENATE is actually the enemy of the american people...they represent big business interests..,.that is the real enemy.

[flickflack]

I don't believe Dick Cheney have much influence on Barrack Obama's decisions. In fact, Barrack Obama have criticized him more than once.

[logos880]

I am not so sure Obama IS part of Dick's coterie of death cult rejects..
The republican party is always whining about National Security...which is , to me, just code for crimes committed by their administrationws...the fact that Obama is now hounding "intelligence" agents to find out how deep the crimes of the previous administration are...is a hopeful sign.

Isn't Robert Gates Obama's Secretary of Defense? Oh yeah, isn't he the same guy who served under Bush Jr. as Secretary of Defense? and I believe he is ex-CIA. Sounds like more of the same to me.

While there are elements of the establishment in the democratic party, like Bill Clinton...and Obama having hired Geithner as treasury secretary does not bode well.. having watched the federal government here in the states for over 40 years, i know that the republicans literally are the kiss of death.
Having witnessed and lived through the country struggle yet again after each and every republican dominated administration, i came to realize that the democrats at least have disparate and diverse participants, whereas the right is very sharply focused (death destruction and fiscal rape are their calling card)..this is WHY the right has basically hijacked the damn country over the last 40 years...the democrats can't pull into sharp focus the way the right does..they are too diverse.

Republicans are the kiss of death and dems are the saviors? If there is such a difference between the two in defense policy, why did Obama opt for Gates as SoD?

Obama is not putting all his cards on the table.
It definitely appears that he is trying to reverse forty years of damage starting with health insurance industry.

(as the victim of a violent crime i can tell you that my experience in a six year court fight...is that the insurance companies literally run our court system. In my case they got a federal judge to bend the rules for them after i had won a settlement)

I work in the health insurance industry. While I'm sure there are some bad eggs in the industry, Gov't run insurance is not the answer. Obama is dead wrong on this, end of story.

Next, Obama has started taking on the banking industry.
If you do not see everything he is doing it is because to put all his cards on the table could put his life in danger.

By taking on the banking industry do you mean buying it with tarp money?

I think the Bush admin wanted to leave the country in deep shit to hand off to an administration they knew was going to be democrat. Repubs run on PERSONAL CRISIS...i have watched them do this for 40 years now...they create a crisis and then set themselves up as saviors.

Agreed, but the dems are doing the same thing now with the current 'economic crisis'. You heard it straight from the horse's mouth in the form of Rahm Emmanuel. One could also argue that Clinton did the same thing to Bush with Bin Laden. I'm seeing a pattern here.

I actually do not buy the argument that Obama is totally bought out...i have been following the news closely and his actions show that he is fighting in earnest...what everyone in america DOES need to realize is that the SENATE is actually the enemy of the american people...they represent big business interests..,.that is the real enemy.

Tell me what specific actions show that he is fighting in earnest? Did he close gitmo? No. A proposed government run health care program? Yay for fascism. Bailing out failing financial institutions with taxpayer money? More fascism. Has he drawn back troops in Iraq as promised? No sir, but he did win the peace prize :rolleyes: sounds like Obama fanboy-ism to me.

[danceswithbunnies]

(my internet connection keeps going out so i have to do this quickly)

Republicans are the kiss of death and dems are the saviors? If there is such a difference between the two in defense policy, why did Obama opt for Gates as SoD?

Stealth..the military industrial complex is incredibley powerful , they have killed off Kennedy and others.
It is wise not to rock their boat and become a target.


IF i had MY WAY...we would install corporate death penalties ASAP.
If corporations want to claim the rights of personhood then they can DIE like men too.

ONE death results from company actions and their assets are SEIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT, CEO and VPs go to jail for murder..Shareholder Assets are seized and they are prohibited from owning stock for ten years..the Corporation is TERMINATED.

All assets liquidated and used to pay off the victim(s), and other investors or policy holders..
Government uses the rest of moeny to pursue miscreant companies.

I work in the health insurance industry. While I'm sure there are some bad eggs in the industry, Gov't run insurance is not the answer. Obama is dead wrong on this, end of story.


Not so fast jose.
Even though i am a mathematician/physicist and as such could have entered into actuarial working for the pigs you work for, but chose not to..i have had numerous run-ins with insurance companies..

I have also heard story after story about these c*cksuckers from family, friends, and strangers.

Insurance is a GAMBLING RACKET...and is protected by government.
They gamble with our money and our lives...their risk is ZERO...our risk is EVERYTHING.

Having watched the insurance companies inflate the costs of health care in this country..i asked my brother who is an actual surgeon in LA...he confirmed what i suspected.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE MAKING HEALTH CARE COSTS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL.

I also have contempt for much of allopathic medicine which bills itself as medical "science".
Being an actual hard scientist, i know the difference.

During University (in the summers) i worked life science research at government institutions in Bethesda, MD (amazingly honest) and before entering graduate school, worked in PRIVATE research institutions where they LIED to get the funding they needed.You can fool most people with statistics but not all of us.

This BTW is routine for the pharmaceutical companies to pretend to run a study, paying for the results they want..and publishing it in JAMA or whichever journal..

So what is the moral of this story?
Vested interests are the worst at objectivity.

By taking on the banking industry do you mean buying it with tarp money?

Apparently you weren't paying attention to what BUSH was doing before the last election.
That money was slated during Bush's admin when Secretary Paulson (ex CEO of Goldman...the very institution that cooked up the credit default swaps)
THREATENED congress behind closed doors..

Tell me what specific actions show that he is fighting in earnest? Did he close gitmo? No. A proposed government run health care program? Yay for fascism. Bailing out failing financial institutions with taxpayer money? More fascism. Has he drawn back troops in Iraq as promised? No sir, but he did win the peace prize sounds like Obama fanboy-ism to me.

So you apparently are not aware that the BAILOUT originated with BUSH.
OBAMA is just following through with that as he tries to sort out the massive shit bomb the Bush admin left him.
He is fighting most of the defense industries on this one...the ones that tap democrats phones and target enemies?
The ones that have assasinated presidents in our country and others?
You remember them?

the federal government is not monolithic but has a host of warring factions within it..two of the strongest Banking and the WAR industry.

I can tell you that has"defense" contractors surround DC like maggots feasting on a bloated corpse..but you probably already know that.

Anything that threatens their precious wars and weapons...is a "national security threat".
Which is probably what they consider the president at this point...they put people in key positions as "handlers" for each president..You think he doesn't know that?
Having spent 25 years in DC area with family in federal government,i know the drill..

[danceswithbunnies]

In fact...i am dealing with an insurance company right now...

some a-hole ran into my car..my husband was driving it.
Not only am i having trouble reaching MY insurance company...

but the person at fault has Nationwide insurance...one of the most corrupt and ugly insurance companies in the US.


At this point, i am thinking i am going to have to hire an attorney.
That is how f*cking great insurance is in this country.

[logos880]

(my internet connection keeps going out so i have to do this quickly)



Stealth..the military industrial complex is incredibley powerful , they have killed off Kennedy and others.
It is wise not to rock their boat and become a target.

lol, really?! You can't be serious here. You are way too involved in the dem/repub sporting event. Every excuse to make Obama the savior. Repubs are bad and Dems are good, right? Stop cheerleading please.

IF i had MY WAY...we would install corporate death penalties ASAP.
If corporations want to claim the rights of personhood then they can DIE like men too.

ONE death results from company actions and their assets are SEIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT, CEO and VPs go to jail for murder..Shareholder Assets are seized and they are prohibited from owning stock for ten years..the Corporation is TERMINATED.

All assets liquidated and used to pay off the victim(s), and other investors or policy holders..
Government uses the rest of moeny to pursue miscreant companies.

No comment here.


Not so fast jose.
Even though i am a mathematician/physicist and as such could have entered into actuarial working for the pigs you work for, but chose not to..i have had numerous run-ins with insurance companies..

I have also heard story after story about these c*cksuckers from family, friends, and strangers.

Insurance is a GAMBLING RACKET...and is protected by government.
They gamble with our money and our lives...their risk is ZERO...our risk is EVERYTHING.

Having watched the insurance companies inflate the costs of health care in this country..i asked my brother who is an actual surgeon in LA...he confirmed what i suspected.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE MAKING HEALTH CARE COSTS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL.

I also have contempt for much of allopathic medicine which bills itself as medical "science".
Being an actual hard scientist, i know the difference.

During University (in the summers) i worked life science research at government institutions in Bethesda, MD (amazingly honest) and before entering graduate school, worked in PRIVATE research institutions where they LIED to get the funding they needed.You can fool most people with statistics but not all of us.

This BTW is routine for the pharmaceutical companies to pretend to run a study, paying for the results they want..and publishing it in JAMA or whichever journal..

So what is the moral of this story?
Vested interests are the worst at objectivity.

Thats a very nice story but do you have any actual evidence that suggests that the health insurance industry is behind medical inflation? I saw no evidence in your story. Again, a federally run insurance solution is not the answer. That course of action will lead to larger gov't and more control/power at the federal level.

Apparently you weren't paying attention to what BUSH was doing before the last election.
That money was slated during Bush's admin when Secretary Paulson (ex CEO of Goldman...the very institution that cooked up the credit default swaps)
THREATENED congress behind closed doors..

Stop turning this discussion into a partisan politics discussion. I am just as disgusted with Bush Jr. as I am with Obama; I do not care what 'party' they are supposedly apart of. Obama is just the latest temporary face that represents the establishment. Obama is just picking up where Bush left off in the expansion of the gov't and further intrusion into our personal lives. I hate the fact that Paulson is in the gov't too.

So you apparently are not aware that the BAILOUT originated with BUSH.
OBAMA is just following through with that as he tries to sort out the massive shit bomb the Bush admin left him.
He is fighting most of the defense industries on this one...the ones that tap democrats phones and target enemies?
The ones that have assasinated presidents in our country and others?
You remember them?

Again, to me, there is no difference between Obama and Bush. Just to be clear: I do not support the Republicans or the Democrats.

the federal government is not monolithic but has a host of warring factions within it..two of the strongest Banking and the WAR industry.

Maybe or maybe not.

I can tell you that has"defense" contractors surround DC like maggots feasting on a bloated corpse..but you probably already know that.

Anything that threatens their precious wars and weapons...is a "national security threat".
Which is probably what they consider the president at this point...they put people in key positions as "handlers" for each president..You think he doesn't know that?
Having spent 25 years in DC area with family in federal government,i know the drill..

You have still never proven your previous statement about Obama fighting the good fight and genuinely trying to do the right thing. He has done nothing he claimed he would do during the election which, to me, suggests that he is just more of the same; a puppet of the powers that be picking up the agenda where Bush left off.

[danceswithbunnies]

Thats a very nice story but do you have any actual evidence that suggests that the health insurance industry is behind medical inflation? I saw no evidence in your story. Again, a federally run insurance solution is not the answer. That course of action will lead to larger gov't and more control/power at the federal level.

Right...and neither did you so that makes us even...

Either way, if Obama helps bring the system down faster, so much the better.... if he only kills the insurance companies...that will be good enough for now.

[hadabusa]

I don't believe Dick Cheney have much influence on Barrack Obama's decisions. In fact, Barrack Obama have criticized him more than once.

cmon,man:)

has he avoided his prosecution?
has he pardoned him?

:)

[logos880]

Right...and neither did you so that makes us even...

Either way, if Obama helps bring the system down faster, so much the better.... if he only kills the insurance companies...that will be good enough for now.

Neither did I what? I'm not trying to prove anything that isn't conceptually obvious: a gov't run insurance plan will be bad for individual freedoms. So lets hypothetically assume that he does manage to bring down the insurance companies, what then?

[danceswithbunnies]

Neither did I what? I'm not trying to prove anything that isn't conceptually obvious: a gov't run insurance plan will be bad for individual freedoms. So lets hypothetically assume that he does manage to bring down the insurance companies, what then?

IT is clear to me that you have a vested interest in defending the people you work for, and much like a christian fundamentalist, your mindset will not allow ANY evidence to the contrary.
So it is a waste of my time talking with YOU..

And there is the fact you have managed to throw my thread off topic.

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For everyone else who is interested in this particular topic:

Another personal anecdote:
I am having my health insurance canceled.
We have been paying in for several years, even though i never used it..this September needed to have imaging and blood work done.
Not only do i pay several thousand dollars a year for health insurance...but i also got a bill for 90% of the cost.

Realizing that my husband and i could have used the money we were squandering on the health insurance to actually PAY the medical bills, we decided to cancel the policy for both of us.

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IF the government is responsible for health care then
a whole lot of people are going to be forced to be accountable.

The people putting poisons in our foods.
Whether Agro business spraying vegitables with Auxigro, or
big pharma killing people off with their bogus nostrums.


Diseases linked to chemicals on the rise:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/24/Childrens-Diseases-Linked-to-Chemicals-Are-on-the-Rise.aspx

Just one example

MSG
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/

I worked in a lab where they were testing free glutamate as a possible neurological bioweapon...decades ago.


Why is hypothyroid so prevalent in the US?

Histological Changes in the Thyroid Gland Induced by Monosodium Glutamate in Mice
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=145371

The Pharmeceutical Companies (despite recent legislation under Bush prohibiting lawsuits against Pharma)
will have to be accountable, when they start killing people with their drugs passed by their agents within the FDA without adequate testing, or deliberately misleading results..and it kills people (Lke VIOX and numerous others) the federal government that has to pick up the cost, will be more likely to hold them accountable....because increased cost to them might cut into the budget for their precious weapons industry that arms terrorists and dictators worldwide.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/fda-drug-chief-accused-of_n_257076.html

Wall Street Journal:

The inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services is investigating a conflict-of-interest allegation involving the official in charge of drug approvals at the Food and Drug Administration, the FDA said.


http://www.forbes.com/2005/02/24/cx_mh_0224fda.html

NEW YORK - By all rights, the storm surrounding the arthritis drugs Celebrex, Bextra and Vioxx should start to dissipate now that a panel of 32 doctors voted that all three drugs have at least some place on the market.

But what if some of these doctors convened by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are seen as having material conflicts of interest that might have swayed their votes?

Conflict of interest in Clinical trials
http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/coi/bodenheimer.htm


Disclosing Financial Conflicts Of Interest To Research Participants May Not Be Enough

(Johns Hopkins is one of the places i worked)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090826191841.htm

ScienceDaily (Aug. 28, 2009) — Disclosure of financial conflicts of interests to potential participants in research is important, but may have a limited role in managing these conflicts, according to a new study by Johns Hopkins, Duke and Wake Forest.

[logos880]

IT is clear to me that you have a vested interest in defending the people you work for, and much like a christian fundamentalist, your mindset will not allow ANY evidence to the contrary.
So it is a waste of my time talking with YOU..

And there is the fact you have managed to throw my thread off topic.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For everyone else who is interested in this particular topic:

Another personal anecdote:
I am having my health insurance canceled.
We have been paying in for several years, even though i never used it..this September needed to have imaging and blood work done.
Not only do i pay several thousand dollars a year for health insurance...but i also got a bill for 90% of the cost.

Realizing that my husband and i could have used the money we were squandering on the health insurance to actually PAY the medical bills, we decided to cancel the policy for both of us.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IF the government is responsible for health care then
a whole lot of people are going to be forced to be accountable.

The people putting poisons in our foods.
Whether Agro business spraying vegitables with Auxigro, or
big pharma killing people off with their bogus nostrums.


Diseases linked to chemicals on the rise:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/24/Childrens-Diseases-Linked-to-Chemicals-Are-on-the-Rise.aspx

Just one example

MSG
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/

I worked in a lab where they were testing free glutamate as a possible neurological bioweapon...decades ago.


Why is hypothyroid so prevalent in the US?

Histological Changes in the Thyroid Gland Induced by Monosodium Glutamate in Mice
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=145371

The Pharmeceutical Companies (despite recent legislation under Bush prohibiting lawsuits against Pharma)
will have to be accountable, when they start killing people with their drugs passed by their agents within the FDA without adequate testing, or deliberately misleading results..and it kills people (Lke VIOX and numerous others) the federal government that has to pick up the cost, will be more likely to hold them accountable....because increased cost to them might cut into the budget for their precious weapons industry that arms terrorists and dictators worldwide.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/fda-drug-chief-accused-of_n_257076.html




http://www.forbes.com/2005/02/24/cx_mh_0224fda.html



Conflict of interest in Clinical trials
http://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/coi/bodenheimer.htm


Disclosing Financial Conflicts Of Interest To Research Participants May Not Be Enough

(Johns Hopkins is one of the places i worked)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090826191841.htm


Lol, really?! "you got my thread about evil republicans and the democrats that save us off topic, now here's some links about health insurance companies." You're awesome. Obama is the people's savior, yay! :rolleyes:

[danceswithbunnies]

Lol, really?! "you got my thread about evil republicans and the democrats that save us off topic, now here's some links about health insurance companies." You're awesome. Obama is the people's savior, yay! :rolleyes:

Yes well thank you for putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting what i said....you don't understand complexity or the fact that not everything is black and white...

[logos880]

Yes well thank you for putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting what i said....you don't understand complexity or the fact that not everything is black and white...

So when you say that I steered the thread off topic, did you not mean that I took the focus from the Cheney article and put it on to health insurance reform?