Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question

[phantom]

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

The question has split the world of broadcasting and divided opinion across the country: should the BBC have invited the far-right British National Party to take part in this week's edition of Question Time, its flagship panel programme?

By Patrick Sawer
Published: 9:00PM BST 17 Oct 2009

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/Nick-Griffin_1411231c.jpg
The BNP is already tens of thousands of pounds in debt following its decision to spend heavily on this year's European elections Photo: PA

Views are polarised. While supporters of the decision say that it is the price Britain pays for free speech, and that the BBC has a duty to reflect a broad range of opinion, opponents have condemned the Corporation for offering the party an opportunity to promote its anti-immigrant views.

Now The Sunday Telegraph can reveal:

Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront the BNP's leader Nick Griffin during the programme over his past as a holocaust denier with a conviction for inciting racial hatred.

You can read the rest of this story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6360260/Holocaust-survivors-will-confront-BNP-on-Question-Time.html)

I hope Nick Griffin has done his research and is ready for slap these so called holocaust survivors with the facts that the holocaust is a LIE. I cannot stand Question Time but I will spare a few minutes to see how the show goes.

[guuna]

the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

look how it and islam4uk are being played out in a grand game of oppo-sames.

[deathcultreject]

the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

look how it and islam4uk are being played out in a grand game of oppo-sames.

It's a base for COINTELPRO style ops to pick up violent puppets.

[phantom]

guuna the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

That would not surprise me, the same way it would not surprise me if the CIA/FBI were involved in creating white supremacist groups in the USA. Such people as Hal Turner come to mind.

It would also not surprise me to find out that some, if not all white supremacist groups are lead by a jew either. Such people as Bill White come to mind.

[lewi]

The audience will be full of place men it will be pointless watching it imo.

What is Edwin Griffins stance on his sons party after all he is a conservative anyone know ??

[phantom]

lewi The audience will be full of place men it will be pointless watching it imo.

You are probably right. I might just give it a miss.

[icarus]

If the BNP were kosha (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif) they wouldn't get anywhere near a prime time show like this. It's also edited, not live, so any truth slipping out, unlikely though that is, will be cut.

Holocaust bullshit from the corporation that was perged after the gilligan affair, now dominated like never in it's history by Israeli apologist Zionist shills.

Tell them to stuff their BBc tax if they're going to renage on their obligation to be politically impartial, not biased towards terror state Israel and blocking charities trying to help kids with their skin roasted off in Gaza.

[dantesinferno]

Notice how they were trying to intimidate the beeb by saying the BNP are an illegal party so allowing them would then in turn be illegal.

I'm surprised that they will be on QT

Fact is that they have been democratically elected so should be allowed to represent the people that elected them, even I one doesn't agree with their views.

Tho's in Westminster seem to forget that even tho they constantly bleat on about democracy.

Dante

[darketernal]

guuna

That would not surprise me, the same way it would not surprise me if the CIA/FBI were involved in creating white supremacist groups in the USA. Such people as Hal Turner come to mind.



The Aryan Nations, the Aryan Brotherhoodm most of the branches of the KKK, and a signifigant portion of militia movement within the US are most definately cointel programs.

[angel wings]

the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

look how it and islam4uk are being played out in a grand game of oppo-sames.

agreed!

[deathcultreject]

The Aryan Nations, the Aryan Brotherhoodm most of the branches of the KKK, and a signifigant portion of militia movement within the US are most definately cointel programs.

This is where gang stalking has been traced back to.

These days it's all about organised sex crimes, but the neo nazi groups were the way that such mind control proceedures were taught to the criminaly insane.

[cheeb]

the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

look how it and islam4uk are being played out in a grand game of oppo-sames.

Maybe But You Gotta Remember All These Groups Come From Grass Roots Football Firms...

Who May Have Been Infiltrated...
Or Working Class Dissatisfaction...???

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2186/englishdefenseleague.jpg

English Defence League is BNP front group

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7638/edl1.png

the protest was organised by the English (and Welsh) Defence League.

Despite the group’s claim to be non-political, it’s emerged on Indymedia that their website was set up by Chris Renton, a BNP activist who lives in Weston-super-Mare.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/433945.html

English Defense League incite violence - YouTube

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6236/edl2.png

Griffin has also explained his move away from anti-Jewish conspiracy-mongering to attacking Muslims as being because:

The proper enemy to any political movement isn’t necessarily the most evil and the worst.
The proper enemy is the one we can most easily defeat.

http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/

It's A Political Chessgame...!!!

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1847/grandchessboard.jpg#

:eek:

[decim]

What will be the theme of first 'museum' on the Moon?

[mrerisian]

I hope Nick Griffin has done his research and is ready for slap these so called holocaust survivors with the facts that the holocaust is a LIE. I cannot stand Question Time but I will spare a few minutes to see how the show goes.

Oh dear. How exactly would that work?

After debating the holocaust on another forum most deniers seem to favor calling you a Zionist shill and a troll then sending you nasty PMs. I don't think that's a tactic which would have quite the same impact on question time.

[rodin]

What will be the theme of first 'museum' on the Moon?

:D

[deathcultreject]

What will be the theme of first 'museum' on the Moon?

The creationists' evidence that there's no life on Earth.

[rodin]

This is where gang stalking has been traced back to.

These days it's all about organised sex crimes, but the neo nazi groups were the way that such mind control proceedures were taught to the criminaly insane.

Nazis? Give us examples

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/dutroux.htm

[paolo]

Anyone on here should watch this 'show' because that's what it is, with great interest
Someone above suggested the BNP are entirely controlled by British Intel as they must be
The anti-fascists too, I should imagine. The latter have created the promised ratings
A must-watch for analysis of this created crap dialectic I should imagine

[darketernal]

Oh dear. How exactly would that work?

After debating the holocaust on another forum most deniers seem to favor calling you a Zionist shill and a troll then sending you nasty PMs. I don't think that's a tactic which would have quite the same impact on question time.

I believe the holocaust happened, but it isn't a point I feel it is worth arguing with someone over. Becuase something is being used for a couple of major agendas, does not make it untrue. This one is a bit of a trap and a distraction in my opinion.

[rydeon]

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

The question has split the world of broadcasting and divided opinion across the country: should the BBC have invited the far-right British National Party to take part in this week's edition of Question Time, its flagship panel programme?

By Patrick Sawer
Published: 9:00PM BST 17 Oct 2009

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/Nick-Griffin_1411231c.jpg
The BNP is already tens of thousands of pounds in debt following its decision to spend heavily on this year's European elections Photo: PA

Views are polarised. While supporters of the decision say that it is the price Britain pays for free speech, and that the BBC has a duty to reflect a broad range of opinion, opponents have condemned the Corporation for offering the party an opportunity to promote its anti-immigrant views.

Now The Sunday Telegraph can reveal:

Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront the BNP's leader Nick Griffin during the programme over his past as a holocaust denier with a conviction for inciting racial hatred.

You can read the rest of this story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6360260/Holocaust-survivors-will-confront-BNP-on-Question-Time.html)

I hope Nick Griffin has done his research and is ready for slap these so called holocaust survivors with the facts that the holocaust is a LIE. I cannot stand Question Time but I will spare a few minutes to see how the show goes.

AFAIK Nick Griffin is a holocaust revisionist which is completely different to a denier...

[cheeb]

Nazis? Give us examples

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/dutroux.htm

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1847/grandchessboard.jpg

The Nazis,
Or The National Socialists Were A Bona Fide Political Party In Their Day...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6570/checkerboardnazis.jpg

They Were Not All Psychopathatic Acktion Rhinehart Killers...

Some Of Them Went On To Become Great Men Of Peace And Virtue...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/899/ratzingernaziyouthsalut.jpg

And Omniscient Beings Like What The Papa Is...!!!

:)

[deathcultreject]

Nazis? Give us examples

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/dutroux.htm

I said neo nazis.

And evidence of nazi trauma based mind control (that means organised child abuse) is the thing which attracts the most COINTELPRO style hostility from ALL directions.

Because it's the truth.

[bendoon]

Griffin says Government and Army Generals should be put on trial for war crimes.

Now its all well and good saying the BNP is an MI5 plot and all that, but I think saying that Army Generals should be charged with war crimes for illegal invasions would be going a bit far for that. If he was working for MI5 he would be playing the thick ignorant racist character instead of striking at the heart of the beast.

Nick Griffin has compared the army generals who attacked the BNP for "hijacking" the military to Nazi war criminals.

"Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremburg (sic) Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged - and hanged - together," he said on the Party's website.

Earlier Mr Griffin rejected accusations from General Sir Mike Jackson and General Sir Richard Dannatt, among others, that political extremists had no right to share the Armed Forces' proud reputation. "The Nuremburg (sic) War Crimes Trials set the precedent when the leaders of Nazi Germany were charged with invading other countries which represented no military threat to Germany," Mr Griffin added.

"Along with the political leadership of Nazi Germany, the chiefs of staff of the German army, Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel, were also charged with waging aggressive war. Sir Richard and Sir Ken (sic) fall squarely into this bracket, and they must not think that they will escape culpability for pursuing the illegal wars in Iran (sic) and Afghanistan."

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/BNP-Compares-Ex-Generals-With-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-They-Attack-Party-For-Hijacking-Military/Article/200910315409393?lpos=Politics_News_Your_Way_Region _6&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15409393_BNP_Compares_Ex-Generals_With_Nazi_War_Criminals_After_They_Attack _Party_For_Hijacking_Military

And here he is having a go at Murdoch.

http://bnp.org.uk/files/2009/10/streicher-murdoch.jpg

Is Rupert Murdoch the Julius Streicher of Our Time?

There is an open-and-shut case for War Crimes Trials against Tony Blair and all others involved in the planning and commission of the aggressive, immoral and illegal war against Iraq. Furthermore, there is also a prima facie case against the media bosses who deliberately incited the war against Iraq. The chief culprit in this regard is Rupert Murdoch, owner of The Sun newspaper. That propaganda sheet has consistently lied to the British public on all manner of issues, most notably the famous Blair-lie “Saddam’s 45 minute missiles.”

The Sun has also repeatedly claimed to be the kingmaker in British politics, and even boasted on its front page about how it was responsible for election victories. The Nazi propagandist Julius Streicher, who was responsible for incitement against Jews in Nazi Germany with his Der Sturmer newspaper, was arrested, tried and executed at the Nuremburg Trials.

The precedent has once again been set. There is, therefore, a prima facie case against Rupert Murdoch and the other media who were responsible for inciting the war against Iraq. They should also be put on trial, just as Streicher was put on trial for the crime of publishing a newspaper.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/10/the-case-for-war-crimes-trials-is-rupert-murdoch-the-julius-streicher-of-our-time/

The man seems to be speaking a lot of home truths to me, way too much if he is really working for the state.

[illuminumnuts]

I believe the holocaust happened, but it isn't a point I feel it is worth arguing with someone over. Becuase something is being used for a couple of major agendas, does not make it untrue. This one is a bit of a trap and a distraction in my opinion.

The whole Zionist trick is in the terminology. They have created a one word term for a fantastic concept they have dreamt up. That concept is the 6 million myth with 'x' amount of gassings etc.. They have then inextricably linked and completely intertwined this concept with the Judaist religion and Israelite culture. With the media bombardment unleashed on everyone from infancy you have one seriously taboo subject. When someone hears 'The Holocaust' they probably feel some primeval emotion and have visions of dead bodies being piled up with a bulldozer.

'Of course 'The Holcaust' happened!' ;)

The logical solution is to ditch the term 'The Holocaust'. Just using the term plays into their hands. If replaced with something like 'The Persecution And Murder Of The Israelites In World War II' you have a concept that is at least open to inquiry and debate. It really is some trick they have conjured up. To be clear, I believe the suffering - not just murder - of any human being is horrible and unacceptable. I acknowledge the persecution and murder of Israelites in World War II.

I'm not sure exactly what the agenda of the TPB is with the BNP, they probably make it up as they go along, but I don't think the BNP stand a chance. Personally, I would allow them on Question Time to look daft.

[paolo]

Griffin's right on the button on this of course
Why wouldn't he be. This is the antithesis to all the propaganda beamed down the media about brave and loyal troops
No matter that they are at the behest of genocidal war criminals
This is antithetical to the main meme about our boys
It's a completely controlled psy-op against such thought crimes

[decim]

Papa Lazarou speaks to the dead - YouTube

[deathcultreject]

Maybe But You Gotta Remember All These Groups Come From Grass Roots Football Firms...

Who May Have Been Infiltrated...
Or Working Class Dissatisfaction...???


Lets put it this way,

We have a lot of Dirty old man subculture English accents trying to sing Swansea football songs at anti social hours these days,

Ever since the BNP / COINTELPRO people managed to stir up racial troubles here on the 9 11 aniversary.

These things don't make sense unless you see the far right groups as front groups for stalking networks.

Then they do.

[bendoon]

far right groups .

Lol, don't tell me, you have been watching BBC News 24.

[deathcultreject]

Griffin says Government and Army Generals should be put on trial for war crimes.

Now its all well and good saying the BNP is an MI5 plot and all that, but I think saying that Army Generals should be charged with war crimes for illegal invasions would be going a bit far for that. If he was working for MI5 he would be playing the thick ignorant racist character instead of striking at the heart of the beast.

Dude, you really have to get hip with some criminal psychology.

They hang each other out to dry because they're psychopaths. It makes their blood boil to see someone else being seen as a hero.

The only ones they won't 'hang out to dry' are the ones who're firmly protected by the web of MUTUAL blackmail. (unless you believe in a reptilian hierarchy)

[deathcultreject]

Lol, don't tell me, you have been watching BBC News 24.

We've all seen them salute with their right arm and their hand open.

[bendoon]

They hang each other out to dry because they're psychopaths.

But they don't though do they, all the others, every single one of them, gang up together and defend each other against one (Griffin). The difference between how they treat each other and how they treat the BNP is astounding.

[deathcultreject]

But they don't though do they, all the others, every single one of them, gang up together and defend each other against one (Griffin). The difference between how they treat each other and how they treat the BNP is astounding.

Sorry, the black ops people who manouvered Griffin into place hang each other out to dry. That means they sacrifice a few by exposing their crimes against humanity, and it draws attention away from the rest of them.

The ones who are guilty of mind control related crimes against humanity don't get hung out to dry.

[bendoon]

Sorry, the black ops people who manouvered Griffin into place hang each other out to dry. That means they sacrifice a few by exposing their crimes against humanity, and it draws attention away from the rest of them.

The ones who are guilty of mind control related crimes against humanity don't get hung out to dry.

So what you are really saying then is everyone who speaks out about the elite is one of them partaking in a psy op ?

Or is it just those who you decide are ?

[deathcultreject]

So what you are really saying then is everyone who speaks out about the elite is one of them partaking in a psy op ?

Or is it just those who you decide are ?

Oh the BNP definately are, or they're wanna be elite who stoop as low as the elite as soon as they find out how it's done.

If you go in a pub on BNP turf in Swansea, you get spiked and when you come round you're battered and bruised (if you're lucky) and you have false memories that it was a gang of asian kids.

It's a proceedure which has been explained by William Burroughs, and is also known as 'black scientology'.

Needless to say, they got greedy with it, and they are now damned to eternal shame.

[freedom1st]

Posted by: Illuminumnuts:-

'Of course 'The Holcaust' happened!' ;)

I acknowledge the persecution and murder of Israelites in World War II.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________


Why don't you mention the others that died in the so called holocaust and the possibility that there were far more non-jews that died. This is the crux of the matter for me. If I were related to someone who was in one of the other groups I would be extremely p*ssed off!

Ever heard/read this very informative poem by someone who was there:-

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

"First they came ..." is a popular poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

[illuminumnuts]

Posted by: Illuminumnuts:-

'Of course 'The Holcaust' happened!' ;)

I acknowledge the persecution and murder of Israelites in World War II.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________


Why don't you mention the others that died in the so called holocaust and the possibility that there were far more non-jews that died. This is the crux of the matter for me. If I were related to someone who was in one of the other groups I would be extremely p*ssed off!

Ever heard/read this very informative poem by someone who was there:-

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

"First they came ..." is a popular poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Several died during the fog of war in many ways. However, 'The Holocaust' has invariably come to refer to the deaths of Israelites. That's the context in which I used 'I acknowledge the persecution and murder of Israelites in World War II'. I wasn't being dismissive of the deaths of non-Israelites. Any human death is as bad as any other.

[phantom]

israelites were not murdered during WWII.

The so called jews of today are not israelites, they have nothing what so ever to do with the israelites. They are Ashkenazi Jews, (Khazars) the majority are not even Semites.

[largejack]

the BNP is a creation of MI5/6 in any case.

look how it and islam4uk are being played out in a grand game of oppo-sames.

Damn right, and the stupid muggles, sheeple or whatever you call them go for the bait everytime.

A few days ago extreme Muslims wanting to create Sharia law were in the news, a few days later the BNP are back in the news. Can anyone else spot the correlation here?

We're really in a bitter infowars struggle here, it could be classed as WW3, everyday I follow what's going on, and some days it seems like we're starting to win and then other days the msm and their puppeteer liars seem to be winning... It's the same with Global Warming, as more and more people awake to this sham, they pretend that's not happening and create more and more legislation. Their propaganda is based on blanking out truth and adding more and more lies and fear, ours is based on truth but less funding and organisation, but truth will win in the end.

[illuminumnuts]

israelites were not murdered during WWII.

The so called jews of today are not israelites, they have nothing what so ever to do with the israelites. They are Ashkenazi Jews, (Khazars) the majority are not even Semites.

Semite is a very broad term that refers to many races. What's to say that the Ashkenazim aren't predominantly descended from the Israelites? DNA testing could go a long way to answering this in any event.

[illuminumnuts]

Damn right, and the stupid muggles, sheeple or whatever you call them go for the bait everytime.

A few days ago extreme Muslims wanting to create Sharia law were in the news, a few days later the BNP are back in the news. Can anyone else spot the correlation here?

Something is definitely up. The BNP are maybe moulded and used by the TPB. I wouldn't go as far as created.

[phantom]

illuminumnuts, the jews tell you this themselves.

"A brief History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: "STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A ‘ JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

"KHAZARS, A NON‑SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish‑speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

[illuminumnuts]

illuminumnuts, the jews tell you this themselves.

"A brief History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: "STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A ‘ JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

"KHAZARS, A NON‑SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish‑speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

I don't use the term 'Jew' myself, unless in debate and in inverted commas. You were speaking about the Ashkenazim, to which I replied, maybe you have incorrectly conflated the Ashkenazim with the Khazars?

[creamfields usa]

The Republicans are responsible for it. The Democrats will cruise in 2010 and earlier because of it.

[attilasdaughter]

guuna

That would not surprise me, the same way it would not surprise me if the CIA/FBI were involved in creating white supremacist groups in the USA. Such people as Hal Turner come to mind.

It would also not surprise me to find out that some, if not all white supremacist groups are lead by a jew either. Such people as Bill White come to mind.

I think that was already proven, the SPLC runs all kind of groups.
Southern Poverty Law Center.
They are always the first to scream "murder"

[hadabusa]

Griffin says Government and Army Generals should be put on trial for war crimes.

Now its all well and good saying the BNP is an MI5 plot and all that, but I think saying that Army Generals should be charged with war crimes for illegal invasions would be going a bit far for that. If he was working for MI5 he would be playing the thick ignorant racist character instead of striking at the heart of the beast.



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/BNP-Compares-Ex-Generals-With-Nazi-War-Criminals-After-They-Attack-Party-For-Hijacking-Military/Article/200910315409393?lpos=Politics_News_Your_Way_Region _6&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15409393_BNP_Compares_Ex-Generals_With_Nazi_War_Criminals_After_They_Attack _Party_For_Hijacking_Military

And here he is having a go at Murdoch.

http://bnp.org.uk/files/2009/10/streicher-murdoch.jpg



http://bnp.org.uk/2009/10/the-case-for-war-crimes-trials-is-rupert-murdoch-the-julius-streicher-of-our-time/

The man seems to be speaking a lot of home truths to me, way too much if he is really working for the state.
blair should be in haague, and couple generals.imo.

[hadabusa]

Semite is a very broad term that refers to many races. What's to say that the Ashkenazim aren't predominantly descended from the Israelites? DNA testing could go a long way to answering this in any event.

dna can be faked.
already been done&proven,just fyi.

[hadabusa]

Something is definitely up. The BNP are maybe moulded and used by the TPB. I wouldn't go as far as created.

any party who doesnt want2abolish the monarchy and exit eu and reform education system is worthless.

oh,and abolish central banking, income tax.
if these arent goal, its literally worthless.

[darketernal]

illuminumnuts, the jews tell you this themselves.

"A brief History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: "STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A ‘ JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

"KHAZARS, A NON‑SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish‑speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

There were no ancient Israelites actually. The Torah was written by the pharohs of Egypt, and given to Egyptians as a religion. The story of Moses and the exodus into the desert is an allegory. A lot of Rabbis know this, and the bloodlines definately know this.

Judaism is a religion of converts and always has been. That being said, it is rather silly to try to differentiate between who is a Jew or a Hebrew etc. All were converts to the faith at one point or another.

[bendoon]

Semite is a very broad term that refers to many races. What's to say that the Ashkenazim aren't predominantly descended from the Israelites? DNA testing could go a long way to answering this in any event.

Do you have any of Abrahams DNA to compare them to ?

[hadabusa]

There were no ancient Israelites actually. The Torah was written by the pharohs of Egypt, and given to Egyptians as a religion. The story of Moses and the exodus into the desert is an allegory. A lot of Rabbis know this, and the bloodlines definately know this.

Judaism is a religion of converts and always has been. That being said, it is rather silly to try to differentiate between who is a Jew or a Hebrew etc. All were converts to the faith at one point or another.

when did the torah go mainstream?

any links to articles regarding your 1st statement?

[bendoon]

There were no ancient Israelites actually. .

There is quite a lot of evidence from other sources to say there was.

[darketernal]

when did the torah go mainstream?

any links to articles regarding your 1st statement?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebrews.html

Historians can't even figure out what century the exodus from Egypt would have happened in, becuase there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it having taken place at all. Absence of evidence if of course not evidence of absence, but if you consider the possibility that it is an allegorical story and not a historical one, the lack of supporting non-Biblical evidence does make more sense.

Most Rabbis if you sit down and talk to them, will also explain to you that these things really are stories. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses etc... these were not actual men who did the things written in the Torah.

This was a religion that was birthed in ancient Egypt, and when you look closer at the Egyptian religion you'll find striking similarities, not a race of people who came out of Egypt.

[hadabusa]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebrews.html

Historians can't even figure out what century the exodus from Egypt would have happened in, becuase there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it having taken place at all. Absence of evidence if of course not evidence of absence, but if you consider the possibility that it is an allegorical story and not a historical one, the lack of supporting non-Biblical evidence does make more sense.

Most Rabbis if you sit down and talk to them, will also explain to you that these things really are stories. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses etc... these were not actual men who did the things written in the Torah.

This was a religion that was birthed in ancient Egypt, and when you look closer at the Egyptian religion you'll find striking similarities, not a race of people who came out of Egypt.

so rabbies are atheists?or what do they worship?:confused:
why are jews gods choosen ppl in their views?

thx4your post,appreciated;)

[rayne]

I, too, think the BNP are heavily controlled by intelligence agencies. They have some good points (like wanting to retaining some national sovereignty), but they mix them with racist policies etc. Which totally invalidates being anti-European Union etc.

Also, Nick Griffin has been at at least one meeting in which that guy who shot people at a Holocaust museum in the U.S. Which was very fishy.

It gives the Torries and Labour cheap shots, too, and they can go along with giving all their powers to unelected powers in Europe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

Mussolini was an MI5 agent, for fook sake. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Nick Griffin was, too. Btw, again, I re-iterate, I don't agree with homo-phobic, racist stuff the BNP do. I think that's just destroy any legitimate parts to their message.

[darketernal]

so rabbies are atheists?or what do they worship?:confused:
why are jews gods choosen ppl in their views?

thx4your post,appreciated;)

No they are not athiests, it is only that most learned rabbis realize and understand that their religious works are not literal history.

As for why they view themselves as god's chosen people, that varies a great deal. For those who realize the allegorical nature of their relgious writtings it would be becuase of their religion rather than an actual birthright. Even those who believe it is due to some birthright only believe it is through the line of the mother.

Now, Judaism aside and dealing with the PTB, I can tell you this much, the PTB do not place much value on the Jewish people that have converted over the last 2500 years, which make up the majority. They'll sacrifice them in a heartbeat... all of them if it suits their purpose to do so. The only ones considered to be of any value are those who can trace their lines back to the pharoahs. This has nothing to do with them being Jewish however, and everything to do with them carrying useful genetics.

[joe btfsplk]

No they are not athiests, it is only that most learned rabbis realize and understand that their religious works are not literal history.

As for why they view themselves as god's chosen people, that varies a great deal. For those who realize the allegorical nature of their relgious writtings it would be becuase of their religion rather than an actual birthright. Even those who believe it is due to some birthright only believe it is through the line of the mother.

Now, Judaism aside and dealing with the PTB, I can tell you this much, the PTB do not place much value on the Jewish people that have converted over the last 2500 years, which make up the majority. They'll sacrifice them in a heartbeat... all of them if it suits their purpose to do so. The only ones considered to be of any value are those who can trace their lines back to the pharoahs. This has nothing to do with them being Jewish however, and everything to do with them carrying useful genetics.
Read your Bible. The answers are in there. The Bible TELLS them that they are the chosen race. I would bet, reading these posts that not one of the posters have ever read the Bible as "it is a load of rubbish" yet all debate about it and ask stupid questions. How can you learn anything and raise your consciousness without doing the legwork of research? How would David Icke get anywhere if he was the same? Lazy and misinformed.

[hadabusa]

Read your Bible. The answers are in there. The Bible TELLS them that they are the chosen race. I would bet, reading these posts that not one of the posters have ever read the Bible as "it is a load of rubbish" yet all debate about it and ask stupid questions. How can you learn anything and raise your consciousness without doing the legwork of research? How would David Icke get anywhere if he was the same? Lazy and misinformed.

lol, theres ppl here knowing the bible in&out,dude.

i was asking DE about a rabbies pov, nothing else.
he answered with what they told him, i bet they know their bible pretty well.

[icarus]

The big clue in the bible is the "synagogue of satan" bit.

Jesus, if he existed, was a Palestinian, and a revolutionary against the so called Jewish pharisee overlords of the day. All that overturning of the tables was an attack on the banking class, and we've just seen that they are very much still in power today. The only bank to profit from the recent carnage was Goldman Sacks, clue is in the name.

Interstingly a lot of statues in ancient Egypt had the noses smashed off for some reason.

Israel is not a particularly religious place, any more than Las Vega or Hollywood, and all of these are of course run and controlled by "Jews". Jerusalem is religious, but only because it is the center of three religions. Tel Aviv could be any city in the world, with eveything on offer for those with the money.

Jesus was executed as are all such revolutionaries. All the crap about son of god and virgin birth is just smoke screen to cover up the fact he was a revolutionary and he was stopped by the same people who are in charge to this day.

[hadabusa]

The big clue in the bible is the "synagogue of satan" bit.

Jesus, if he existed, was a Palestinian, and a revolutionary against the so called Jewish pharisee overlords of the day. All that overturning of the tables was an attack on the banking class, and we've just seen that they are very much still in power today. The only bank to profit from the recent carnage was Goldman Sacks, clue is in the name.

Interstingly a lot of statues in ancient Egypt had the noses smashed off for some reason.

Israel is not a particularly religious place, any more than Las Vega or Hollywood, and all of these are of course run and controlled by "Jews". Jerusalem is religious, but only because it is the center of three religions. Tel Aviv could be any city in the world, with eveything on offer for those with the money.

Jesus was executed as are all such revolutionaries. All the crap about son of god and virgin birth is just smoke screen to cover up the fact he was a revolutionary and he was stopped by the same people who are in charge to this day.
interesting pov
:cool:

[rodin]

any party who doesnt want2abolish the monarchy and exit eu and reform education system is worthless.

oh,and abolish central banking, income tax.
if these arent goal, its literally worthless.

+1

Was listening MI5 live radio phone in after midnight. BNP guy was on plus usual suspects. The holocaust 6m fraud was brought up and the BNP guy had to backtrack saying he starts with 6m which is the orthodox figure and of course there was a Jewish guy who had lost his family in the extermination camps etc.

Didn't see the BBC TV programme but some listeners said Jack Straw disgraced himself

[darketernal]

Read your Bible. The answers are in there. The Bible TELLS them that they are the chosen race. I would bet, reading these posts that not one of the posters have ever read the Bible as "it is a load of rubbish" yet all debate about it and ask stupid questions. How can you learn anything and raise your consciousness without doing the legwork of research? How would David Icke get anywhere if he was the same? Lazy and misinformed.

I'll get right on that I apologise for being poorly read and ill-informed. Do I need to read the entire Ante-Nicene Fathers, or just one of the poorly translated versions of Constantine's cliff notes?

In any event this was more about understanding things from the pov of the rabbis who are actually in charge of the religion. People who are well read understand that Judaism is after all a religion, not an actual race of people per se. Those who cling to the idea that it is otherwise are generally doing so for religious reasons, not factual ones.

Also I find some of the anti-Jewish nonsense in this thread to be less-than-inciteful. For the most part the Jewish people are pawns in a game they do not understand, and they're considered just as expendable as Christians, Muslims, Athiests etc.

[illuminumnuts]

There were no ancient Israelites actually. The Torah was written by the pharohs of Egypt, and given to Egyptians as a religion. The story of Moses and the exodus into the desert is an allegory. A lot of Rabbis know this, and the bloodlines definately know this.

Even if what you say is true, which is in no way authoritative, it certainly doesn't mean the Israelites never existed.



Do you have any of Abrahams DNA to compare them to ?

Abraham can rest in peace. He isn't needed for my proposal. Anyhow, though not to be taken as gospel, the following study I found does seem to suggest that the Western European Ashkenazim can significantly be traced back to the Near East and Middle East. A small proportion of the Eastern Euopean Ashkenazim can be traced back to the Khazar. At the end of the day it seems fair comment to say that most of the Ashkenazim are descended from the same area as the Israelites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazim#DNA_clues

[rodin]

I'll get right on that I apologise for being poorly read and ill-informed. Do I need to read the entire Ante-Nicene Fathers, or just one of the poorly translated versions of Constantine's cliff notes?

In any event this was more about understanding things from the pov of the rabbis who are actually in charge of the religion. People who are well read understand that Judaism is after all a religion, not an actual race of people per se. Those who cling to the idea that it is otherwise are generally doing so for religious reasons, not factual ones.

Also I find some of the anti-Jewish nonsense in this thread to be less-than-inciteful. For the most part the Jewish people are pawns in a game they do not understand, and they're considered just as expendable as Christians, Muslims, Athiests etc.

Yes most Pawns

Queen, (C)Rooks

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058359116&postcount=277

Knight

http://www.ianstuart-bride.com/images/SirAlanSugar.jpg

[snapdragon]

Israel is not even supposed to be a country.
In Hebrew is it Yis rahl which transliterally means "at one with creator" and was a name given to Jacob to show he had obtained the highest level of spirituality of becoming part of the creator (G-d).

The tribes of Israel are thus the decedents of the sons of Jacob.

http://www.nonvivant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/raidgaza21.png (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/47639)

[decim]

The one who killed off the British computer industry at birth.

http://www.ianstuart-bride.com/images/SirAlanSugar.jpg

[decim]

Ouija boards are de rigeur, for enquiry independent says cease punitive payments, they're all gone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/20/conservatives-european-allies-holocaust-deniers

"The strange thing is, I always knew that one day, when every last survivor was gone, there would be "debate" about the Holocaust."

[rollotomaz1]

Yes most Pawns

Queen, (C)Rooks

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058359116&postcount=277

Knight

http://www.ianstuart-bride.com/images/SirAlanSugar.jpg

This man really is a BLACK SHNIGHT if ever there was one, he has just been on TV tonight moaning that the British people are saying that he should wave his magic wand and give them a job, what a perfect t**t he is,

We never saw any of the millions he made from Amstrad nor did the slave labour he used to make his wares over seas, I would strip him of that medal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, sideways, and cut him a new c**t.

[snapdragon]

Historians can't even figure out what century the exodus from Egypt would have happened in, becuase there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it having taken place at all.

Good point. I read that the story of exodus was supposed to be an allegory for freeing the soul from the slavery of ego, but the Jews of the Synagogue of Satan who have pretty much replaced the original Jews appear to take the stories literally.
This is the only reference I can find at the moment...

", the story of the exodus of Hebrew slaves from Egypt represents not their freedom from physical bondage, but the acquisition of the first Masach (screen), the crossing of the barrier.

Some stories may seem to have no rationality or sanctity in them. When reading them, remember that these are not events, but stories of forces. They are not to be understood or justified in earthly terms."
http://www.kabbalah.info/player/download.php?url=http://files.kab.co.il/files/eng_o_ml-sefer-guide-to-the-hidden-wisdom.pdf

"All of the Light in ZON comes from the horn (ELEH), including the great Light that delivers Israel from Egypt, and the Light that is destined to be revealed in the future, at the end of days (complete deliverance from egoism). This is why the Tefillin contain a passage that refers to the exodus from Egypt, for the Light delivering from Egypt comes from the horn, which is inside YESHSUT. This is done by the power of AVI, called Yod de HaVaYaH, which open the womb of YESHSUT (ELEH) and free the voice (ZA) from its captivity.
This Light has sufficient power to deliver Israel from slavery. Only after the attainment of this Light (Ohr Haya), and not a degree lower, can ZA and Nukva be called “voice” and “speech.” All deliverance comes only from Ohr Haya (only upon ascending the spiritual degree of Ohr Haya can man liberate himself from egoism and become free)."

[scotty99]

This man really is a BLACK SHNIGHT if ever there was one, he has just been on TV tonight moaning that the British people are saying that he should wave his magic wand and give them a job, what a perfect t**t he is,

We never saw any of the millions he made from Amstrad nor did the slave labour he used to make his wares over seas, I would strip him of that medal and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, sideways, and cut him a new c**t.

How did he make a fortune from " the worlds shittist computer- Amstrad".they were so shit, even schools here in the uk didn't use them , which is saying something......what I'm saying is ....they were shit:D

[bendoon]

The answers are in there. The Bible TELLS them that they are the chosen race. .

Thats all well and good but what makes you think those who call themselves Jews today are any relation to the Israelites of the Bible.

[bendoon]

Abraham can rest in peace. He isn't needed for my proposal. Anyhow, though not to be taken as gospel, the following study I found does seem to suggest that the Western European Ashkenazim can significantly be traced back to the Near East and Middle East. A small proportion of the Eastern Euopean Ashkenazim can be traced back to the Khazar. At the end of the day it seems fair comment to say that most of the Ashkenazim are descended from the same area as the Israelites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazim#DNA_clues

But thats the point, geographical locations do not have a DNA that you can match to a human being, its all guesswork.

[illuminumnuts]

But thats the point, geographical locations do not have a DNA that you can match to a human being, its all guesswork.

It's pretty solid guesswork linking them to a wide region if everyone in that particular region has similar DNA.

[snapdragon]

Thats all well and good but what makes you think those who call themselves Jews today are any relation to the Israelites of the Bible.

Yes, I agree 100%. I am no bible basher, but it is plain to me that it meant all of us.

I mean lets get a few of us together and call ourselves angels and then go around telling people that we are angels and people must do as we say or they will be smited and while we're at it, we shall go to babylon (Iraq/Iran) and claim it is ours and rename the Republic of Heaven.

[tracker]

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

The question has split the world of broadcasting and divided opinion across the country: should the BBC have invited the far-right British National Party to take part in this week's edition of Question Time, its flagship panel programme?

By Patrick Sawer
Published: 9:00PM BST 17 Oct 2009

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/Nick-Griffin_1411231c.jpg
The BNP is already tens of thousands of pounds in debt following its decision to spend heavily on this year's European elections Photo: PA

Views are polarised. While supporters of the decision say that it is the price Britain pays for free speech, and that the BBC has a duty to reflect a broad range of opinion, opponents have condemned the Corporation for offering the party an opportunity to promote its anti-immigrant views.

Now The Sunday Telegraph can reveal:

Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront the BNP's leader Nick Griffin during the programme over his past as a holocaust denier with a conviction for inciting racial hatred.

You can read the rest of this story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6360260/Holocaust-survivors-will-confront-BNP-on-Question-Time.html)

I hope Nick Griffin has done his research and is ready for slap these so called holocaust survivors with the facts that the holocaust is a LIE. I cannot stand Question Time but I will spare a few minutes to see how the show goes.

So apparently --------------according to the Nazi fascist laws of freedom and democracy ---------------------its now a crime to say that you dont believe in the holocaust .

Im not saying that this is my opinion , im just asking -------is this now true ?

Is it a crime to say you dont believe it ?

FFS if it is ------------------how does one get out of this type of Nazi fadcist hell hole ?

:cool:

[rodin]

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

all 6 million of them

[tracker]

all 6 million of them

now thats a lot of

Gypsies
tramps
dissabled people
mentaly ill folks
indians
americans
british
french
polish
russian
african
italian
greek

people .

there were loads of different folks put in them camps --------how will all those make it to question time -------------------:D

[illuminumnuts]

Yes, I agree 100%. I am no bible basher, but it is plain to me that it meant all of us.

I mean lets get a few of us together and call ourselves angels and then go around telling people that we are angels and people must do as we say or they will be smited and while we're at it, we shall go to babylon (Iraq/Iran) and claim it is ours and rename the Republic of Heaven.

That's how all religion takes off. :) All I am saying is that many modern day Judaists, not all, do have a similar racial heritage that can be linked to that region.

[truedruid]

So apparently --------------according to the Nazi fascist laws of freedom and democracy ---------------------its now a crime to say that you dont believe in the holocaust .

Im not saying that this is my opinion , im just asking -------is this now true ?

Is it a crime to say you dont believe it ?

FFS if it is ------------------how does one get out of this type of Nazi fadcist hell hole ?

:cool:Holocaust denier Irving is jailed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4733820.stm. God knows what happens if you deny they're the chosen ones.

I believe we are goyim and we are not welcome in a jewish orthodox home. I found them to be the most racist people on this planet.

Are Jews a race or religion? I think that depends on the question asked.

Jews: are you jewish?
www.igenea.com/jews Genetic origins analysis shows whether you have jewish roots. How can you determine someones religion by their genes?

[gremlin]

Holocaust denier Irving is jailed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4733820.stm. God knows what happens if you deny they're the chosen ones.

I believe we are goyim and we are not welcome in a jewish orthodox home. I found them to be the most racist people on this planet.

Are Jews a race or religion? I think that depends on the question asked.

. How can you determine someones religion by their genes?

common sense prevails, This is not jew bashing, jews have their own agenda and they definitely have not got the likes of the average joe in their plans.
Racist they are, but to prove you are not join their religion:confused: no way, I hate jews but not in a racist way just hate religion, I like people on an individual self, keep all the god worshipping out of it.

[icarus]

This link is very funny, but it also highlights how certain Jewish people think.

A Jewish girl prank calls her parents with news that she is dating a non Jew.

Jewish Girl Prank Calls Her Parents - YouTube

[rollotomaz1]

If we do our history, we can learn how the European Holocaust came about, why of course with Rothschilds and Rokafella and others money to the Nazi cause.

But lets step back about 15 and then a further 100 years, before that namely

15 years the great starvation of over 10 million white Americans again by the same guys again importing cheap European goods while their own people starved to death so they in the dust bown era.

100 years

17.5 million native Americans, by the end of the 18th century there were only 800 thousand left.

All factual as the third one is also.

[darketernal]

If we do our history, we can learn how the European Holocaust came about, why of course with Rothschilds and Rokafella and others money to the Nazi cause.

But lets step back about 15 and then a further 100 years, before that namely

15 years the great starvation of over 10 million white Americans again by the same guys again importing cheap European goods while their own people starved to death so they in the dust bown era.

100 years

17.5 million native Americans, by the end of the 18th century there were only 800 thousand left.

All factual as the third one is also.

I holocaust is a "a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering." None of those qualify.

Anyone who understands the PTB would know they never bluff about making sacrifices and by refering to the killing of Jews during WWII as a burnt sacrifice, that alone proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened. They were sacrificed as part of a religious ritual, so their energy could be harvested, and as part of a pact with an ascended being. This sacrifice allowed them to move forward with another set of plans.

Everyone thinks that it is because of the Jews that denying the holocaust happened is so visciously attacked. That really isn't the case. The crime in denying it is blasphemy against a religious sacrifice that have fueled many of the changes that brought us to where we are now in world events. This is a holy event to the PTB.

[rollotomaz1]

I holocaust is a "a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering." None of those qualify.

Anyone who understands the PTB would know they never bluff about making sacrifices and by refering to the killing of Jews during WWII as a burnt sacrifice, that alone proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened. They were sacrificed as part of a religious ritual, so their energy could be harvested, and as part of a pact with an ascended being. This sacrifice allowed them to move forward with another set of plans.

Everyone thinks that it is because of the Jews that denying the holocaust happened is so visciously attacked. That really isn't the case. The crime in denying it is blasphemy against a religious sacrifice that have fueled many of the changes that brought us to where we are now in world events. This is a holy event to the PTB.

I know what a holocaust is, but it was the sun that laid waste to those other people free or otherwise, who were prisoners nontheless on their own farms.

We have had the great flood, now we wait for the great fire which will see we are all accountable.

[rodin]

I know what a holocaust is, but it was the sun that laid waste to those other people free or otherwise, who were prisoners nontheless on their own farms.

We have had the great flood, now we wait for the great fire which will see we are all accountable.

Funny how the dust bowl gave the banksters land few years after Telsa had his gear n idea nicked or destroyed or copied


http://twm.co.nz/wxwar.html

[sannox]

I holocaust is a "a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering." None of those qualify.

Anyone who understands the PTB would know they never bluff about making sacrifices and by refering to the killing of Jews during WWII as a burnt sacrifice, that alone proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened. They were sacrificed as part of a religious ritual, so their energy could be harvested, and as part of a pact with an ascended being. This sacrifice allowed them to move forward with another set of plans.

Everyone thinks that it is because of the Jews that denying the holocaust happened is so visciously attacked. That really isn't the case. The crime in denying it is blasphemy against a religious sacrifice that have fueled many of the changes that brought us to where we are now in world events. This is a holy event to the PTB.

i agree ,but dont doubt that millions were killed in death camps and elsewere because they were jewish .:)

[flickflack]

It's pretty solid guesswork linking them to a wide region if everyone in that particular region has similar DNA.

Also, don't forget that the majority of Israelis are dark-haired. It's just a minority of blondes in Israel, yet this is being ignored by misleading labels, like Ashkenazim Jews.
The fact that most of the Israeli population are dark-haired has to do with genetics, and it's their heritage of DNA.
I believe they really are Israelis, and that the land of Israel is their destiny.

[snapdragon]

Also, don't forget that the majority of Israelis are dark-haired. It's just a minority of blondes in Israel, yet this is being ignored by misleading labels, like Ashkenazim Jews.
The fact that most of the Israeli population are dark-haired has to do with genetics, and it's their heritage of DNA.
I believe they really are Israelis, and that the land of Israel is their destiny.

That a notable number of redheads, black people and people of mongol appearance there too, as well as the poor old original Semitic jews against zionism types.

[rodin]

BNP should confront Holocaust survivors

Researching a book about literary hoaxes led me to investigate a sub-section of the misery-memoir genre which often left me reeling in amazement: the Holocaust hoaxers. Special privilege must be given to those increasingly few witness-writers who survived the Second World War in Europe, but they have certain duties too.

It is their right to write how and when they want (perhaps many decades later, if they are ready) and, as with Elie Wiesel, with their own definitions of truth and fiction. It was he who said that "Some stories are true that never happened.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/holocaust/78988-more-fake-holocaust-survivor-stories-exposed.html

I suggest may 1 2010

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88043

[flickflack]

BNP should confront Holocaust survivors



That's not fair. What did the Jews do to deserve being sent to concentration camps? Nothing. They where simply Jews, and Nazi Germany had declared war on Jews.

[picha]

Holocaust survivors will confront BNP on Question Time

The question has split the world of broadcasting and divided opinion across the country: should the BBC have invited the far-right British National Party to take part in this week's edition of Question Time, its flagship panel programme?

By Patrick Sawer
Published: 9:00PM BST 17 Oct 2009

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01411/Nick-Griffin_1411231c.jpg
The BNP is already tens of thousands of pounds in debt following its decision to spend heavily on this year's European elections Photo: PA

Views are polarised. While supporters of the decision say that it is the price Britain pays for free speech, and that the BBC has a duty to reflect a broad range of opinion, opponents have condemned the Corporation for offering the party an opportunity to promote its anti-immigrant views.

Now The Sunday Telegraph can reveal:

Holocaust survivors and victims of racist attacks plan to confront the BNP's leader Nick Griffin during the programme over his past as a holocaust denier with a conviction for inciting racial hatred.

You can read the rest of this story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6360260/Holocaust-survivors-will-confront-BNP-on-Question-Time.html)

I hope Nick Griffin has done his research and is ready for slap these so called holocaust survivors with the facts that the holocaust is a LIE. I cannot stand Question Time but I will spare a few minutes to see how the show goes.
I honestly dont give a cack about question time anymore. I realised its just a bunch of NWO shills pretending to have a debate and an audience made up of clueless sheeple a long time ago.

[truedruid]

That's not fair. What did the Jews do to deserve being sent to concentration camps? NothingThats not strictly true they must have done something . They where simply Jews, and Nazi Germany had declared war on Jews.I understand Hitler was half jewish, was he circumcised? If you was a leader of a country that was being bleed dry by a race of people. (I know for a fact that Jews buy up property, turn it into a ghettos, so the other properties become cheap for further jews to purchase.) If he had his penis deformed by an old man for no reason what so ever, and every time you took it out people would take the piss, I think it would make you a bit angry. The only way you can stop people laughing is to get rid of everyone with a funny penis.

[rodin]

That's not fair. What did the Jews do to deserve being sent to concentration camps? Nothing. They where simply Jews, and Nazi Germany had declared war on Jews.

Scam. They avoided the real holocaust of Dresden and other burned cities. Also what about the real holocaust in Soviet empire administered by Jews on Christians> 65 million real murders as opposed to 300,000 deaths by allied attrition.

Red Cross were checking every Nazi camp, never got into the Jewish run gulags

That's the REAL history

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88043

Deal with it

Yes Jews lost family in the war - because of Jewish-run conduct of the war - food supplies were disrupted. Plus they brought typhus into the camps

Not one IOTA of forensic evidence exists for Jews being exterminated
. The whole Jewish-run establishment has FAILED to provide proof

Just STORIES

Want a list of proven fake lies?

How about Elie Weisel

Some things are true that never happened

WTF:confused:

Get outa here...

[darketernal]

i agree ,but dont doubt that millions were killed in death camps and elsewere because they were jewish .:)

Yes and no. Did Hitler, or those backing him, really desire a true genecide of the Jews? No. That was never the agenda. On the surface it was. Those further down the chain, who carried out the acts, I would say bought the propaganda. In any heirarchial project, those doing the work are not required to know the reasons why they do the work, only to be given the motivation and information required to carry out the task at hand.

Were they killed becuase they were Jews? Yes, just not for racist reasons per se. The creation of the Israeli state required outrage and widescale support from both Jews and Christians, and much of the secular western world as well.

This was a burnt sacrifice on two levels, hince the word holocaust. The first level is that they were sacrificed in order to gain the sympathy required to enact this plan. The second level was one of energetics. All things require a balance of energies. In order to empower the Jewish people on a metaphysical level to undertake this endevour a massive toll we taken upon them, by the persecution of them on a large scale, and then the sacrificing of millions of them. The energy released from the ritual sacrifices of these individuals could then be utilized to push forward endevours and that energy is easier used to drive agendas involving people with some type of energetic connection to the victoms.

Those behind the scenes have done as they always have with such things, and washed their hands of blame. For the German people carried out the murders, and the energy used from the sacrifices was used to empower the same people that were victomised. The ptb did not keep it for themselves. The Israelis are the one's who used that energy to persecute and steal lands from the Palestinians, even if it was at the nudging of others. So when the energy rebalances again, they'll be forced to pay the energetic debt for those actions. The powers that be always keep themselves free of blame, becuase they manipulate the energy in such a way that others freely take the blame upon themselves and are forced to repay the debts for them.

This is an intricate game being played, in which the masses are forced to play a game in which they do not understand the rules.

I work off the principle that the holocaust happened because it works out far more well for the ptb if it really did happen than if they faked it, on an energetic level. In which case I have to assume they went through with it. They never avoid killing people when it is in their best interest to kill them. The fervor with which they defend their actual named sacrifice is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it happened, and calling it a "holocaust" is in fact a manner of bragging and gloating about it.

[rollotomaz1]

Funny how the dust bowl gave the banksters land few years after Telsa had his gear n idea nicked or destroyed or copied


http://twm.co.nz/wxwar.html

The land that was given in the land reform a little earlier was soon again in the robber barons hands and much of it had oil reserves, they knew exactly what they were robbing the people of, not only their lives.

They were bringing in cheaper European goods, very much like they are doing today from China, while their own people starved out, this time its for the land to control the food, land is being grabed in huge swaths on a regualr basis by the rich men of the earth.

I see Paul Pantone has been released, and his idea is all over the world now, a slightly happier ending for an inventor.

[harry_88]

This link is very funny, but it also highlights how certain Jewish people think.

A Jewish girl prank calls her parents with news that she is dating a non Jew.



I watched a documentary from BBC4 called "Flipping Out - Israel's Drug Generation". It explained how some 30,000 Israeli youth have gone to India on long vacations and found themselves victims of drug abuse. Most of the youth are army personnel some with traumatic memories which tend to give them psychological problems under the influence of LSD etc.
In response to this the Israeli government has funded the establishment of Jewish religious institutions in the areas where the drug abuse takes place. It is a well intentioned gesture by the Israeli government. The Israeli deputy prime minister even visited such institutions to establish how they were developing.
What I found most interesting was a class given by a rabbi to a small group of youths about the soul. The rabbi stated that there were 2 types of soul, the bestial and the divine. ONLY JEWS HAVE THE DIVINE SOUL, he said. :(

So from this we can understand Jewish parents alarm at their children dating a non-jew (aka gentile, goy, beast).

[harry_88]

That's not fair. What did the Jews do to deserve being sent to concentration camps? Nothing. They where simply Jews, and Nazi Germany had declared war on Jews.

Actually the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933.

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

[ilponn]

not only jews was in them camps russians and gypsys was also in there ??

we can never find out the truth on who died there all we now is that these ethnic groups was killed there , the doctors for the nazis worked there as well , to torture these poor people. Do your home work and look up nazi doctors try and find as much info on the net as you can .


all i can say the files all about the experments and all the tests went to germany , for what purpose was this a mass human experiment , deguised as a war ??

and to day we have most of the experiments are still used to this day , plastic surgens and dentists ,sex change ,flouride and more all come from this point in time ww2 , and the companys i bet still hold the patents for these chemicals and other stuff ??

[dusthead]

Actually the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933.

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

The link contains nothing specific, just quotes which may or may not be accurately recorded. It is full of inferences but no substance.

Please define 'The Jews' and also 'The War'. What are you trying to say?

[rodin]

not only jews was in them camps russians and gypsys was also in there ??

we can never find out the truth on who died there all we now is that these ethnic groups was killed there , the doctors for the nazis worked there as well , to torture these poor people. Do your home work and look up nazi doctors try and find as much info on the net as you can .


all i can say the files all about the experments and all the tests went to germany , for what purpose was this a mass human experiment , deguised as a war ??

and to day we have most of the experiments are still used to this day , plastic surgens and dentists ,sex change ,flouride and more all come from this point in time ww2 , and the companys i bet still hold the patents for these chemicals and other stuff ??

Try the real eye witnesses - the Red Cross - who had access up til the allies bombed them out. Original reports are available - actual photos of these reports. Could they have got it wrong? maybe, but surely not by so much. Add that to gas chambers all being built after the war and the rest. Balance of proof. There was an open reward to anyone who could prove genocide and no takers fancy that. Red Cross were NOT allowed into the Soviet camps - for a good reason

[rodin]

The link contains nothing specific, just quotes which may or may not be accurately recorded. It is full of inferences but no substance.

Please define 'The Jews' and also 'The War'. What are you trying to say?
It was all over the Western Press so it was the official policy of the controlling group/spokespersons for the Jewish people whether they liked it or not. Did we want to go into Iraq? No but it was our government's policy. On whose behalf did they do it? Not ours

[hadabusa]

It was all over the Western Press so it was the official policy of the controlling group/spokespersons for the Jewish people whether they liked it or not. Did we want to go into Iraq? No but it was our government's policy. On whose behalf did they do it? Not ours

yup.judea declared an embargo,knowing full well itd ruin germany.

germany treated jews better then any eu nation,untill ww2.


damn,their sham is so basic, but humanity falls4it repeatedly.

end money.not goldbacked money to replace fiat.
end money period.

who creates money plays GOD,ffs.

would ppl play monopoly game vs me if i was the bank?no,itd be pointless

[mrerisian]

germany treated jews better then any eu nation,untill ww2.


It's exactly this sort of comment that makes me less keen these days to admit I'm an Icke fan. I don't know what it says about him that he attracts this kind of comment to his message board but I'm sure it's not good.

C'mon man, that's just malicious nonsense.

[runciter]

It's exactly this sort of comment that makes me less keen these days to admit I'm an Icke fan. I don't know what it says about him that he attracts this kind of comment to his message board but I'm sure it's not good.

C'mon man, that's just malicious nonsense.

don't worry pope, freedom of speech will be devoured soon.

[darketernal]

It's exactly this sort of comment that makes me less keen these days to admit I'm an Icke fan. I don't know what it says about him that he attracts this kind of comment to his message board but I'm sure it's not good.

C'mon man, that's just malicious nonsense.

Yes because it is clearly the fault of a man who time after time says racism is rediculous and it has no place in his philosophy, and that the Jews are not to blame for the problems in the world that a handful of racist come to his forum.

Or it could be that all forums draw people with extremely racist views who desire to spout them, and we have a more lax policy than most forums on censorship overall, and we do have rules against racism, but require it to be fairly blatant before these people are removed. This is a forum that has a policy of tolerance for free speech so long as that speech doesn't cause chaos on the forum. Sadly there are those who think that is a free ticket to promote racist ideals. You find them on every forum, regardless of the topic of the forum or who owns it.

[runciter]

Yes because it is clearly the fault of a man who time after time says racism is rediculous and it has no place in his philosophy, and that the Jews are not to blame for the problems in the world that a handful of racist come to his forum.

Or it could be that all forums draw people with extremely racist views who desire to spout them, and we have a more lax policy than most forums on censorship overall, and we do have rules against racism, but require it to be fairly blatant before these people are removed. This is a forum that has a policy of tolerance for free speech so long as that speech doesn't cause chaos on the forum. Sadly there are those who think that is a free ticket to promote racist ideals. You find them on every forum, regardless of the topic of the forum or who owns it.

there is a supremacist tribal cult called judaism, which generated the messianic movement called zionism.

zionists are now in control in most western countries, and many people are trying to divert attention from this fact.

did you forget that jews are not a race, darketernal? why are you speaking of "racism"? :)

[deathcultreject]

If I make anti English comments, then people know it's meant in jest.

Anti jewish comments on the other hand aren't funny.

[darketernal]

there is a supremacist tribal cult called judaism, which generated the messianic movement called zionism.

zionists are now in control in most western countries, and many people are trying to divert attention from this fact.

did you forget that jews are not a race, darketernal? why are you speaking of "racism"? :)

It isn't a race, it is a religion and culture, but seems to be viewed as one quite often by racists. At least the ones in the US where I live.

I would say zionism has rather been pushed upon Judaism, as its core principles are rather incompatible with Orthodox Judaism.

Zionism has rather sweapt up both the Jewish and the Christian world sadly. Herein lies the difference between many of us. I know that zionism was never intended to benefit the Jewish people, but rather will be used as a tool to bring about the next holocaust against them. It has forced them to gather in mass, in a region surrounded on all sides by peoples who hate them, and see their presence there as theft of land, and invasion. Sooner or later one of their close enemies will have nuclear weapons, and they will use them. Zionism is somehow good for the Jewish people because a couple of insane religious sects (within more than one faith) believe god promised this land to them? Will people finally admit zionism was intended to kill off Jews, not give them power, when the first Iranian or Syrian nuke hits Tel Aviv?

[eternal_spirit]

Israel won't get nuked. Churches temples synagogues Mosques and people from all over the world go there, many religious some not.
There would be an international outcry and action against anyone who nuked the holy lands.

[runciter]

It isn't a race, it is a religion and culture, but seems to be viewed as one quite often by racists. At least the ones in the US where I live.

I would say zionism has rather been pushed upon Judaism, as its core principles are rather incompatible with Orthodox Judaism.

Zionism has rather sweapt up both the Jewish and the Christian world sadly. Herein lies the difference between many of us. I know that zionism was never intended to benefit the Jewish people, but rather will be used as a tool to bring about the next holocaust against them. It has forced them to gather in mass, in a region surrounded on all sides by peoples who hate them, and see their presence there as theft of land, and invasion. Sooner or later one of their close enemies will have nuclear weapons, and they will use them. Zionism is somehow good for the Jewish people because a couple of insane religious sects (within more than one faith) believe god promised this land to them? Will people finally admit zionism was intended to kill off Jews, not give them power, when the first Iranian or Syrian nuke hits Tel Aviv?

in my view it's judaism itself that creates all problems between jews and non-jews, zionism is only its latest incarnation.

zionist leaders act like tribal warlords, i don't know if in their disturbed minds they think they're benefiting ordinary jews, or not.

[darketernal]

in my view it's judaism itself that creates all problems between jews and non-jews, zionism is only its latest incarnation.

zionist leaders act like tribal warlords, i don't know if in their disturbed minds they think they're benefiting ordinary jews, or not.

I personally place a high degree of blame on the Christians for zionism being where it is today, however, religion in general is the issue here. This is yet another example of why I believe that although people should have the right to believe as they like, when the religious beliefs of people effect society's laws and policies these are the situations that can be created.

[eternal_spirit]

I read somewhere that the Jewish Sanhedrin has been revived and set up with it's HQ at Jerusalem (like it was for many centuries before)

Proof the Jews of Israel are not planning on moving, despite all the opposition they face.

another likeness, both Jews and Muslims are quite exclusive, essentially regarding those who do not practice their true religion as heathens at best and cattle/goyim sub-humans at worst. One who has submitted to the purity of Islam does not make friends or confidants of such types. Strongly echoing the Talmud, the Koran says: "O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily, Allah guideth not a people unjust." (Sura 5:51)The scriptures of Islam and Judaism have a similar place in both religions. We have the Koran, which has ample texts refuting or abrogating ("abridging" say the Muslims) others, and the Talmud, which is notorious for splitting legalistic hairs. Since the Koranic chapters are arranged by length, there is no way to tell which text might have come first. And then we have the Hadith ("Traditions"), which function something like the Talmud, as a guide or secondary scriptures, to interpret, perhaps to get around, avoid and evade, what is found in the Koran. Looking at clergy of all religions, a Mullah is more akin to the rabbinical model, as he is, above all, a judge, an interpreter of the Sharia of Allah just as the Rabbi interprets the Torah and Talmud. Sharia Law operates like Rabbinical Talmudic Law. One submits disputes to a court of Mullahs (the word means judge) and Koranic scholars who decide the case. This is essentially the same as a Judaic beit din court in which Rabbis and scholars determine the results. Both Judaism and Islam might be best described as legal systems as much as religions.Because of his Christo-Gnostic-Judaic-quasi-Abrahamic influences, Muhammad naturally expected Christians and Jews, and more especially, those of the Arab-Jewish tribes, to see the light and convert to his new revelation. Surely, thought Muhammad, they will follow me and recognize Allah, but of course, they did not. Then as now, Jews of any kind are most averse to conversion

When these conversion efforts miserably failed, jihad became the chosen strategy. As well as ridding the newly conquered Islamic lands of the idolater-Christians, Muhammad later annihilated the Jewish-Arab tribes of North Africa in one of the first bloody Islamic Jihads. This is a characteristic of Islam.

The Ones In Submission to Allah (Muslims) must tolerate the infidels only for so long. Infidels must be given a chance to convert, but if they refuse, then conversion by conquest through holy war (jihad) is seen as not only legitimate, but demanded by the Koran.

Even so, this should be judged in context. As exemplified amply in the Old Testament, and foreshadowing the Christian Crusaders yet to come, early Islam follows an ancient [Abrahamic and later Mosaic] tradition of holy war and murder in the name of a god. Sir Richard Burton said, "And did Moses disdain to place carnal weapons in the hands of his people? The great Lawgiver of Israel sanctioned the murder in cold blood of women and child captives. Even kings were hewed in pieces before the Lord." (The Jew, The Gypsy And El Islam, 1898.)

This is a fascinating line of inquiry to follow as it leads to the conclusion that what we today know as jihad has both Mosaic and Talmudic-Jewish roots. One of many famous stories about Muhammad concerns an attempted poisoning by a Jewess. After this, not to mention the consistently unrelenting and often bitter rejections by the Jews, he finally gave up on converting them. Muslims were then told to face Mecca for prayer, where previously, they faced Jerusalem.

OTHER RITUAL SIMILARITIES

To some degree, both early Islam and early Christianity may be seen as efforts to reform, purify and unify Judaic and pre-Judaic Hebrew-Israelitish beliefs. But while the church gave up most Mosaic and later Talmudic/Pharisaic law codes, circumcision, ritual foods, and the like, Islam did not. As a matter of fact, ritual food preparations are almost identical. Muslim Halal food may be substituted when a Talmudic Kosher meal is not available, and vice versa.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1249619&postcount=165

[hadabusa]

It's exactly this sort of comment that makes me less keen these days to admit I'm an Icke fan. I don't know what it says about him that he attracts this kind of comment to his message board but I'm sure it's not good.

C'mon man, that's just malicious nonsense.

they been treated better then in other nations,go ask couple jews,ffs

[harry_88]

The link contains nothing specific, just quotes which may or may not be accurately recorded. It is full of inferences but no substance.

Please define 'The Jews' and also 'The War'. What are you trying to say?

I disagree with your speculation that the link contains "no substance".

http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

It is an historical fact, whether you like it or not.


I define "the Jews" as from within the context of the post I was replying to.


Originally Posted by flickflack
That's not fair. What did the Jews do to deserve being sent to concentration camps? Nothing. They where simply Jews, and Nazi Germany had declared war on Jews. emphasis added


As for " 'The War' " if you want to nitpick, I never used those specific quoted words.


I am sorry if you are unable to understand what has been written, that is hardly my fault.

[mrerisian]

Yes because it is clearly the fault of a man who time after time says racism

I don't think it's his FAULT. I'm simply asking what it says about him that there are people attracted to his message who think the Jews were well treated pre-'39 by the Nazis? I don't know the answer to that question but I'm pretty sure that it's not a very pleasant one.


we have a more lax policy than most forums on censorship overall, and we do have rules against racism, [...] You find them on every forum, regardless of the topic of the forum or who owns it.

You don't find them on every forum. You find them on forums like this one. I understand and appreciate the forum's 'lax policy' but the prevalence of ignorant or deliberately incorrect viewpoints like the one I highlight is interesting to me.

It should give us all pause for thought that the BNP on here is defended more often than not.

[bendoon]

I think it would be more accurate to say that Jews were treated better in Germany prior to 1933 not 1939, most of the Jews had already left by 1939 since they realised that Hitler wasn't going to let them get away with their old tricks any longer.

[mrerisian]

I think it would be more accurate to say that Jews were treated better in Germany prior to 1933 not 1939, most of the Jews had already left by 1939 since they realised that Hitler wasn't going to let them get away with their old tricks any longer.
See - this bloke here was drawn to Icke, just like I was. That disturbs me.

[darketernal]

I don't think it's his FAULT. I'm simply asking what it says about him that there are people attracted to his message who think the Jews were well treated pre-'39 by the Nazis? I don't know the answer to that question but I'm pretty sure that it's not a very pleasant one.



You don't find them on every forum. You find them on forums like this one. I understand and appreciate the forum's 'lax policy' but the prevalence of ignorant or deliberately incorrect viewpoints like the one I highlight is interesting to me.

It should give us all pause for thought that the BNP on here is defended more often than not.

My own belief is that half of those people are here to contaminate the forum becuase the message here is intended to be liberation and freedom of choice for all people. Some doing it as an agenda for others, some of them do it because their hatred won't allow them let people discuss ideals of love and acceptance.

Believe me these are issues we are aware of and none of us (mods) like it, but it comes down to having to set aside our personal views and allow people who have thoughts and ideas we find personally distasteful to express them, as long as they can do so in a civil manner. When posters say things that are blatantly racist, there are forum guidelines against that (and other things), but until that line is crossed we have to allow unpopular speech even if we disagree with it personally, lest we become the tyrrants we stand against.

Speaking as a member of the forum, and not a mod, I find the hateful views a small minority possess here extremely offensive and revolting. However as a mod, I have agreed to set those personal views aside and allow free speech that doesn't break our agreed up forum guidelines. As has every moderator on this forum.

[bendoon]

See - this bloke here was drawn to Icke, just like I was. That disturbs me.

Well it disturbs me even more that people would come here and call for other peoples views to be censored.

The whole idea of "hate speech" is designed specifically to stop criticism of the elites plans.

[mrerisian]

Well it disturbs me even more that people would come here and call for other peoples views to be censored.

The whole idea of "hate speech" is designed specifically to stop criticism of the elites plans.

I'm not calling for that. I've never reported a comment to a mod and I'm not disputing your right to make absurd comments. Do what thou will. Their inherent idiocy is frequently apparent.

The point I'm making is that it's a bit unsettling to me that I'm posting on the same forum as someone like you. We've got a common interest in Icke but I like to think I'd have nothing in common with someone who blabbers on about the Jews and their 'old tricks' etc.

I have faith in the fact that over time you and posters like you will relax via a process of intellectual osmosis but I'm worried it might be a two way thing. The last thing I want to do is end up thinking Hitler was a nice bloke - he was a f--king wanker.

[bendoon]

The point I'm making is that it's a bit unsettling to me that I'm posting on the same forum as someone like you..

So you would prefer to post on a forum where everyone thought like you and anyone who dared to have a different opinion to you was considered to be inferior to you. Have you ever even considered that someone else may actually be right even just once. It leads to a very dangerous world when people are silenced from speaking the truth just because someone finds the truth a bit distressing to their sensibilities.

[runciter]

I'm not calling for that. I've never reported a comment to a mod and I'm not disputing your right to make absurd comments. Do what thou will. Their inherent idiocy is frequently apparent.

The point I'm making is that it's a bit unsettling to me that I'm posting on the same forum as someone like you. We've got a common interest in Icke but I like to think I'd have nothing in common with someone who blabbers on about the Jews and their 'old tricks' etc.

I have faith in the fact that over time you and posters like you will relax via a process of intellectual osmosis but I'm worried it might be a two way thing. The last thing I want to do is end up thinking Hitler was a nice bloke - he was a f--king wanker.

are you a modern pharisee mrerisian?

what do you think of jewish supremacism ad zionist gangsterism?

[meksar]

Many believe that Germans are the sole targets of the holocaust propaganda fraud but also targeted are the American Indians, African-Americans, South Africans, West Africans, South Americans, Congolese, Armenians, Ukrainians, Arabs and poles all of whom the Jewish people orchestrated massive genocides against since 1640. The holocaust fraud was concocted to portray the Jews as the ultimate "victims" to keep them from having to pay out reparations and to mask over all of their own atrocities.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu(Who said 9/11 was good for Israel and was in London during the "mock exercises" of 7/7) said recently that he would never allow any of the Israel's leaders or soldiers to be put on trial for war crimes.One standard for German's and another standard for Jews. Get it yet?, these damn devils know sooner or later their asses are going to pay for every last thing they have done on the face of the earth. They can hide behind their terrorism laws and hired goons but good and honest Jewish people will not even pity them when the shit hits the fan.

[meksar]

Where Jewish people tortured?, raped?, burnt alive?, starved to death? and subjected to horrific mind control experiments?, yes. Where there gas chambers used to execute millions?, it is very unlikely but they may have been tested for all we know. Is the official number of 6 million a fraud?, i would say based on the measures used to demonize and criminalize people who support alternative conclusions, then yes.

If you look at the pro-Israel propaganda in the media and Hollywood then you see this is how they influence the masses. However the Zionist infiltration of government and religion is where they can really exert their power through usury. World War 2 was another bankers war for global control and the Jewish people who died at the hands of the Nazi's were as innocent as any other victim of brutal regimes, but i think people are becoming tired of more provable and accurate versions of oppression and inhumanity being overlooked whether in World War 2 or not.

Also this has been used to justify slaughter and people being removed from their homes for the last 41 years. The Israeli Mossad is behind most of the terror attacks and assassinations on a global scale, it is clear that they like the C.I.A and M.1.5 are ruthless killers used to intensify the global disorder

[mrerisian]

are you a modern pharisee mrerisian?

what do you think of jewish supremacism ad zionist gangsterism?

I'd rather not say. The last thing I want is for us to agree about anything else.

[rollotomaz1]

Where Jewish people tortured?, raped?, burnt alive?, starved to death? and subjected to horrific mind control experiments?, yes. Where there gas chambers used to execute millions?, it is very unlikely but they may have been tested for all we know. Is the official number of 6 million a fraud?, i would say based on the measures used to demonize and criminalize people who support alternative conclusions, then yes.

If you look at the pro-Israel propaganda in the media and Hollywood then you see this is how they influence the masses. However the Zionist infiltration of government and religion is where they can really exert their power through usury. World War 2 was another bankers war for global control and the Jewish people who died at the hands of the Nazi's were as innocent as any other victim of brutal regimes, but i think people are becoming tired of more provable and accurate versions of oppression and inhumanity being overlooked whether in World War 2 or not.

Also this has been used to justify slaughter and people being removed from their homes for the last 41 years. The Israeli Mossad is behind most of the terror attacks and assassinations on a global scale, it is clear that they like the C.I.A and M.1.5 are ruthless killers used to intensify the global disorder

As far as I have read most of the killing went on inside smaller buildings with names like the white house and the green house which were all above ground and away from the main camp, and the camps were more like huge labour camp owned and worked by the large pharma companies, where they experimented on the prisoners and the actual total of losses were much lower than first predicted.

Starvation was another huge leveler, after a few weeks most people especially children wouldn't survive for very long especially in the colder months, disease was another huge problem, and some say they only started gassing because they had no more room at the camps, there delivery system was very good but their husbandry was very poor hensce all the deaths.

There are still a few surviving soldiers from the camps but getting a proper account might expose what they did back then so its still not a solid case as to what actually hapened, but close they say, I'm sure I will be corected if I'm off canter here.

[meksar]

Nobody can deny that the Zionists have extreme power and influence in the government. I hear in Westminster, Washington DC you can't even get elected unless you pledge some type of blind support for Israel. The British/ American people are so scared of being called anti-"Semitic" that they have allowed these Zionists to hijack their political,judicial,legislative e systems for their own selfish gain. The Bank of England/Fed Reserve is controlled by Zionists and also the IRS and 95% of the mainstream media is under their control. Notice how Jews have been kicked out of other nations throughout history.

[runciter]

I'd rather not say. The last thing I want is for us to agree about anything else.

don't be shy.

[breakerofevil]

All else in this world are puppets.....They are the rulers with all the money..$500-600 trillion. They own Europe and US and everywhere else...They all are child pedophiles,incesters...There mentality, keeping it in the family !!! They make wars. They made the Holecost, they made Hitler, They made Israel...As a matter of fact ,the anti-christ will come from London. He is there now !!! who has a castle that is heavely guarded just outside London ?.They have plans for muslums, and jews and gentiles.Muslums in a million yrs. will not have the power of jews. Its handled down.. they know the future, they create it !!...they are the power of darkness !!