Say NO to a EU Referendum

[theninja]

Everyone is demanding a referendum over the new EU Constitution Brown is trying to establish in the UK. “Put it to the people” they say “let the people decide” they say. What they are really doing is diverting your attention from the real agenda. “What agenda you might ask”?

While the whole of Britain is arguing about this one matter, contemplating, and debating about this referendum. A small fact is escaping their blinded logic, while listening to the duped recall time and time again “we need a referendum”

I am going to put this in the simplest terms I can:

To even consider or think about a referendum is plainly committing TREASON against our Constitution. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION, and if we did need a new one WHY WOULD WE POSSIBALY WANT ONE THAT WAS NOT WRITTEN BY A BRITISH PERSON?

Halsbury say’s and I quote. “An act against the Constitution is an act of TREASON". So what Constitution do you think he was talking about, one on Mars?

People of Britain please get your head out of the sand and wake up for Pete’s sake. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION, FOR, WHAT REASON DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE? Even if a referendum was not an act of treason, do you honestly believe it would be uncorrupted in today’s political environment?

To take part in this treasonous act will result in the final nail in the coffin, not only our Constitutional Laws but for our country as well. You the people, would without doubt, play straight into the government’s hands, and fool yourselves into believing that you are saving your country. When the really the sad truth is, that you are unwittingly proving and admitting that we do not have a Constitution, and our Laws do not exist.

You are being deceived, you are being duped and YOU are letting it happen.

We are not members of the EU; we do not have to abide by its Law. Time and time again TPUC have proven that since 1911 and Asquith’s treasonous act of saying the monarch’s assent to all legislation is automatic, means without doubt that all new laws introduced, all new legislation introduced and all Treaties signed are without doubt INVALID.

Why not put this amount of effort into something that is positive and demand that the Monarch, Parliament and the Judiciary in this country, start to abide by British law, British Constitutional Law and not by the legislation of a foreign power? Why not help us, to help the people, who are trying to fight this fiasco they call government in this country?

You are so wrapped up in fighting one of the symptoms; why not start fighting the disease? For while you are continually bleating like lambs over this matter, you are being lead, by the deceptive hand, to the slaughter.

John Harris (Founder www.tpuc.org)

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Come on people it's time to wake up to the fact that we have a Constitution in the UK and we need to start using it. We need to start supporting the people who are fighting this evil government like Mrs Elizabeth Beckett who is 83. http://www.namastepublishing.co.uk/Elizabeth.htm

[synergy777]

ACTION TO STOP NEW EU CONSTITUTION. Please log on to our sister site www.socfund.co.uk A campaign to raise the funds needed to force a declaration for judicial review on the legitimacy of what the Government is intending to impose on the nation.

Wake up England the time is upon us to unite...

I am not a citizen of Europe, I am an English subject, so I am an Englishman. There is a great deal of difference between me and the people who govern us. For I will never say a loyal oath to another country or organisation, nor will I override the solemn oath I owe to the Crown and my country. A loyalty to my country that cannot and will not be divided or shared. John Harris

true, but the people not a puppet monarchy. a liberal democractic republic. we are people not subjects.

[revolutionary_jam]

The UK does not have a constitution unfortunately.

[theninja]

The UK does not have a constitution unfortunately.

Hi revolutionary_jam,

You need to do your research.

We do have a Constitution the Laws are basically the Declaration of Rights 1688 which became the Bill of Rights 1689. This incorperates the Magna Carta 1215 and the Acts of Supremacy 1534/59, the Coronation Oath and many more.

Also did you know that in in 1965 under prime minister Harold Wilson teaching the Constitutional Laws was removed from the curriculum of all schools in the United Kingdom.

[synergy777]

if the eu has legislations that supersedes this then what? if not then we have a legal case.

[theninja]

In 1911 Herbert Henry Asquith (Fabian Prime Minister) altered the format of the Monarch's Assent. He said it was automatic because Queen Anne was the last Monarch to refuse a Bill. (A Bill on Militia 1707). In fact this meant that the Parliament Act of 1911 went through because George V being a new king did not realise. In fact the Parliament Act 1911 had gone before Edward VII in 1910.

To make this enormous and treasonous step of subjugating the Lords to the Commons, putting the Fiscal Prerogative into the hands of the majority in power in the Commons, was entirely against the power of the Fiscal Prerogative. Why? Because we have a Christian Constitution under which the Prerogative works, which simply means this: "Taxation taken from all the people cannot be used in a one party way."

The above was taken from www.tpuc.org front page, because Herbert Asquith assumed the Monarch's Assent was automatic which it wasn't, that makes every law since 1911 invalid - so who cares what the EU has to say? How can we be in the EU?

[synergy777]

if this is true why hasn't anyone made it public, ukip, why?

this could cause anarchy/ v for vendetta style.

[monique]

God forbid the sheeple having some sense of control over the course of events.. :rolleyes:

[synergy777]

i'm tired, but if this is legitimate, then we have something powerful and tangible

collect the info and post, i will have look, lets see what WE can do.

[theninja]

If you want to learn more about these issues visit this forum:

http://peoplesunitedcollective.myfreeforum.org

[mightiswrong]

A referendum hey?

What right does anyone have to decide whether the EU should rule over other people? A yes vote would be an act of violence against one's neighbours and if a majority were convinced to endorse such a constitution that would not confir any legitimacy to the cohersive and parasistic organisation what ever.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/nonvoting

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Even if you guys vote and protest, they are not going to listen to you.

They are not going to listen to you. They don't care what you think. You don't line their pockets with a shit load of money.

I stand corrected; YOU DO LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH MONEY! The only way they will listen, is if you refuse to do any work if they continue.

Simple as that.

[theninja]

THE UNLIMITED LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY NOW IMPOSED ON
ALL OFFICERS AND MINISTERS OF THE CROWN BY
THE PROVISIONS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, 1689

It is respectfully submitted to you that the provisions of the Bill of Rights 1689 make clear in law that no Officer or Minister of the Crown may depart from the duties that are imposed by the provisions of the Act, under any circumstances whatsoever.

It is respectfully submitted to the you that all members of the Courts, being themselves Officers of the Crown, are legally obliged to maintain those particular provisions of law that are defined by the Bill of Rights, 1689, notwithstanding any provision that may be made by other legislation and/or by any other forms of regulation.

It is respectfully submitted to you that no member of the Courts may
act in any way that serves to deny or otherwise remove those legal responsibilities that are imposed upon all Officers of the Crown by the provisions of the Bill of Rights, 1689.

It is respectfully submitted to the you that the particular responsibility in
Law that is imposed upon the Courts by the Bill of Rights, 1689, is contained
within that particular provision of the Act, which states as follows -

“Now in pursuance of the premises the said Lords Spiritual and Temporal and
Commons, in Parliament assembled, for the ratifying, confirming and establishing
the said declaration and the articles, clauses, matters and things therein contained
by the force of law made in due form by authority of Parliament, do pray that it
may be declared and enacted that all and singular the rights and liberties asserted
and claimed in the said declaration are the true, ancient and indubitable rights
and liberties of the people of this kingdom, and so shall be esteemed, allowed,
adjudged, deemed and taken to be; and that all and every the particulars
aforesaid shall be firmly and strictly holden and observed as they are expressed in
the said declaration, and all officers and ministers whatsoever shall serve their
Majesties and their successors according to the same in all time to come”

In both Common Law and in Statute Law, it is provided that -

“No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will we not pass upon him, nor (condemn him) (defined by the Statute as meaning ‘deal with him’), (1) but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man; we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.”

Item (2) “That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void.” Bill of Rights 1689 Section 2 clause 12

Simply put; if you are given a fine without being put in a court of law first, the fine is invalid. This applies to any fine given to you including speeding fines, congestion charge, and a fine given to you by a policeman, any fine you receive. Item (2)

When you go to the court for none payment of the fine, or you fill in the slip to have the matter dealt with in a court of law, you must demand to be tried by a jury, (trial by the judgment of my peers or by the law of the land) the magistrate will say “I cannot offer you that option “. You reply “I want a jury and that is not your option, it belongs to me the defendant”. They will say “we are bound by statutes” which in reply you say “I am glad you are bound statutes and I am glad you have said that for it is statute that gave you your existence as a magistrate” and further more “you are bound by the first of these statutes The Bill of Rights 1689, which clearly states; item (1)

The magistrate will probably say “I still cannot give you that option” so you reply “The Bill of Rights 1689 requires you, as an officer of the crown, to serve the crown in accordance to the provisions of the Act” and furthermore “you must serve your majesty in accordance to this Act, for you cannot break your Oath of Allegiance you swore to become a magistrate, the option is mine and if you refuse to grant me my option, which is my right under the Act, then you yourself are in breach of common law, so you have know choice but to acquit me, for you have know right to deny me my birthrights as a British subject”. I will report soon of someone who not only used this system but got their expenses paid to them in full.

If they do not send you a court date, and they just send bailiffs to your house, then just comply with the bailiffs wishes. Then go immediately to your nearest magistrate court and apply for a “Statutory Declaration”. The Statutory Declaration is your chance to put to the court you was unaware of the trial to convict you, and you were not given your rights to defend yourself. This will overturn the ruling against you and the bailiff must return your money or your goods fore with.

In a court of law the jury is sovereign which basically means they make the ultimate decision on guilty or not guilty. The jury under common law can go against any law if they feel the law is unjust. They have the power to “null” a case if they feel the charge is unjust. No judge can rule against the jury’s final decision.

Protect yourself with this knowledge, for as we will prove very soon, Judges and magistrates dare not go against the Bill of Rights 1689, for it is the very statute they must obey.

[seanx]

You guys in Britian do not have a written constitution. So you
have to accept the consequences.


You're still a backward monarchy - not a Republic.

And for the average Brit person - what difference does
it make?

Instead of giving their power to a monarchy ( which still
rules under the illusion of a parliament. ie. who gets to
see each UK budget before it is revealed in parliament -
the Queen and her 'people') - they will just be giving it to another
Elite figure.

it's all the same - this is just a fight among the Elite to see who
will get and maintain the most power.

[theninja]

We have a Republic with a monarchy bond by constraint which we have proven. America has a masonic government with no constraint. You only think you have a Republic. We have a written constitution in the form of Bill of Rights 1689. Which you may not know was copied by America nearly word for word. You only have yours because we gave it to you. You only have democracy because we gave it to you.

[cruise4]

Constitution, TPUC and all that great.... but you try and find someone who can lead you through a court summons and it all goes quiet.

[dondaz]

so who cares what the EU has to say? How can we be in the EU?

This is the whole issue here. We know it's a con but most people do not!

The EU is The Road To Hell.

Bloody good thread, i'm gonna post some stuff later, when I have a bit more time!

[seanx]

We have a Republic with a monarchy bond by constraint which we have proven. America has a masonic government with no constraint. You only think you have a Republic. We have a written constitution in the form of Bill of Rights 1689. Which you may not know was copied by America nearly word for word. You only have yours because we gave it to you. You only have democracy because we gave it to you.

You have a democracy!!

The UK is still ruled by the same families as it always was - under
the illusion of demoracy.

Let's be specific: We know that that virtually 90% of all the wealth
in Uk is owned by 5% of the population ( essentially the families,
your precious Windsors etc)

Again, this is no great surprise as I mentioned earlier that the Queen
( figurehead of these families) is given full access to the budget
details before they are published.

So the 'families' always know what is about to happen in the
financial world. Where to invest ...and WHERE NOT.

Why, if you are living in a real democracy - is this
allowed to occur?

Because it is a Sham.

So the EU or the monarchy - IT'S ALL THE SAME as far as the
average man or woman is concerned.

it's the difference between being robbed by Peter or by Paul.

In the end, you're still mugged .

Both EU and your monarchy-controlled 'democracy' should
be seen as the sham they are and be demolished
for the ideals of a real Republic.

And the first step would be to kick out your Queen and royal
family who have been scrounging off the people for centuries.

I always remember living in the UK in the UK when the Tories
were attacking single mums, accusing them of being a drain
on the nation - and then these same people would be asking
for more money for the biggest layabouts and scroungers of
them all - your dear royals!!

What a joke!

[theninja]

You are missing the point we all know it's a sham. But what we need to do is inform the public that we do have a Constitution and it works. The Quote below is from John Harris - tpuc.org. Which shows you that it works.


A Statutory Declaration; Bailiffs called at my house to remove property to pay for a £30 fine I had refused to pay, after asking to be tried in a court of law. My rights for a trial were not given to me, resulting in case being heard without my knowledge. The bailiffs decided to remove a £5000 van in respect of it being sold to recover the £30 plus numerous charges that amounted to me owing them over £400. So I allowed them remove my van knowing full well I could get it back without paying a single penny.

The next day I rang Watford Magistrates court and made an application with Hemel Hempstead magistrates court for a Statutory Declaration. (part of our Constitutional Law) I went to the court and filled in the Declaration telling them exactly what had happened and the magistrate signed it allowing me to get my vehicle back and I didn't pay a penny.

The full storey concerning this matter will be published by me very soon.
With full pictures of the bailiff, the police and my van getting lifted off my drive onto a lorry. Also the letters from the police, including the Police inspectors names who visited my house, and the conversations. Bailiff papers will also be included.

Having personally used a Statutary Declaration i know it works, still to this day I have never heard anything from them about the origanal £30 fine.