Love is sacrifice

[Anders Lindman]

Love is sacrifice
Love is doing something for other people as a sacrifice
Love is committing oneself for the benefit of others
Love is putting others before oneself

Enjoyment is not sacrifice
If you enjoy something then you are selfish
Enjoyment is of the ego
The ego is bad, bad

Enjoyment is the opposite of sacrifice
Enjoyment is also the opposite of suffering
Hence sacrifice is suffering
And love is sacrifice

Since love is sacrifice
Love is suffering
So the more like shit you feel
The more loving you are

:confused:

[joss classey]

'to deny your own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes you human'

[chris]

love is to retain your mojo

[chris]

your getting very philosophic anders, what's the occasion?

[megafish33]

I think there is virtue in selfishness, especially if it's from enjoyment. Just make sure your enjoyment isn't parasitic or toxic to another. Love yourself and find your path, then awake to the thought that you can't love yourself without loving everybody. I think we're all capable of love and it's in our genetics. Evolving is loving. It's both selfish and sacrificial at the same time.

[mahabaratara]

Love is selflessness...And bliss as a result...

[synergy777]

L1ve to L0ve, L0ve to L1ve,

life is binary, lol

[mahabaratara]

and we know where binary comes form...lol...

[herebynightfall]

infinite possibility is the only truth
and love is just a really good option

[notaslave]

Love is letting go.

(its also a fresh cream cake out of Greggs the bakers)

[synergy777]

binary, mmmm india, lol. sanskrit is the best language to program computers in, some even called it an alien language.

[monique]

Love is beating your loved one to a pulp and then say it's for their best interest. :confused:

[Anders Lindman]

I think there is virtue in selfishness, especially if it's from enjoyment. Just make sure your enjoyment isn't parasitic or toxic to another. Love yourself and find your path, then awake to the thought that you can't love yourself without loving everybody. I think we're all capable of love and it's in our genetics. Evolving is loving. It's both selfish and sacrificial at the same time.

Sacrificing oneself sucks. I think we have been manipulated to think of sacrifice as something good, because that benefits the elite, for example look how soldiers sacrifice themselves for their country. We have been thoroughly trained to see that as virtue, even as love; fight for your country for the love of your country, kill someone in the battlefield for the love of your country and become love. Murder is love, that's an idea the elite have managed to program into people. Totally upside-down pavlovian conditioning.

You make a good point about parasitic and toxic actions. Here is an example of toxic thinking: "In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy."

From: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

So the elite tell the cannonfodder that sacrificing oneself for one's country is love and they create a few exemplars called 'war heroes' so that they can go on with this lie.

I never sacrifice myself. At least I will try to start living that way. :D

[megafish33]

I never sacrifice myself. At least I will try to start living that way. :D

I hear ya. I was just thinking about "sacrificing" in the evolutionary sense... less able or adaptive (to the particular surroundings of course) is eventually "sacrificed" into the more adaptive. Becomes part of the new hegemony. Especially if we currently all die in these bodies. Of course, in theory the hegemon usually acquires consent from the other party. This obviously isn't going on today with the governments...Or... jeez, I suppose it is... In one way or another we give them consent to keep doing what they want. We're sacrificing ourselves... Nice attitude to stop it with yourself. I should adopt such a self policy.

[Anders Lindman]

I hear ya. I was just thinking about "sacrificing" in the evolutionary sense... less able or adaptive (to the particular surroundings of course) is eventually "sacrificed" into the more adaptive. Becomes part of the new hegemony. Especially if we currently all die in these bodies. Of course, in theory the hegemon usually acquires consent from the other party. This obviously isn't going on today with the governments...Or... jeez, I suppose it is... In one way or another we give them consent to keep doing what they want. We're sacrificing ourselves... Nice attitude to stop it with yourself. I should adopt such a self policy.

Somehow the elite has thrived on the idea of sacrifice. Not the elite themselves of course, but they have managed to firmly implant the idea of sacrifice into the population, and then they can parasite on the population as long as we buy in to that idea.

Sacrifice is fear-based action. And it generates psychic vampirism where people demand that other people should sacrifice themselves. And it creates a form of business transactions where people say: "I sacrificed myself yesterday, now it's your turn to sacrifice yourself" As if that somehow would be the same as "I was loving yesterday, not it's your turn to be loving" Pretty awful version of love, isn't it?

[Anders Lindman]

Another thing that came to my mind is that I go around complaining that people demand of me to sacrifice myself. They are a bunch of energy vampires! But then I though.....wait a minute, if people can suck energy from me, then that is because there is something in me that allows that to happen, and that means that I am resonating at that very same vampire frequency, and consequently it means that I myself am sucking energy from other people. I'm an energy vampire myself! :eek: Without often even knowing it, allowing other people to suck the living daylight out of me and at the same time I am sucking the living daylight out of other people. Horrendous.

[bigus_dickus]

the idea of self sacrifice, is something "above" love and compassion, it is about responsibility. you may think that there may be nothing above love, but that's because you set your limit there. love is a dimension that is set on humans of the third dimension, lets call it the fourth dimension, the fourth chakra, but there are many more dimensions encompassing that dimension as well. lets say it simple, it's not like that exactly, but just an idea. unconditional love and compassion is the fourth dimension, responsibility and self sacrifice is the fifth, wisdom is the sixth and so on.

[Anders Lindman]

the idea of self sacrifice, is something "above" love and compassion, it is about responsibility. you may think that there may be nothing above love, but that's because you set your limit there. love is a dimension that is set on humans of the third dimension, lets call it the fourth dimension, the fourth chakra, but there are many more dimensions encompassing that dimension as well. lets say it simple, it's not like that exactly, but just an idea. unconditional love and compassion is the fourth dimension, responsibility and self sacrifice is the fifth, wisdom is the sixth and so on.

Ok, I can accept self-sacrifice on two conditions:

1. I decide when I will sacrifice myself, or else there would be no responsibility.

2. I cannot demand that others will sacrifice themselves in return for my own self-sacrifice, because then it would be a business transaction, not self-sacrifice.

[bigus_dickus]

Ok, I can accept self-sacrifice on two conditions:

1. I decide when I will sacrifice myself, or else there would be no responsibility.

2. I cannot demand that others will sacrifice themselves in return for my own self-sacrifice, because then it would be a business transaction, not self-sacrifice.

good points / conditions :)

[yeiayel]

Where there is love there is no sacrifice!!

[yeiayel]

Love is sacrifice
Love is doing something for other people as a sacrifice
Love is committing oneself for the benefit of others
Love is putting others before oneself

Enjoyment is not sacrifice
If you enjoy something then you are selfish
Enjoyment is of the ego
The ego is bad, bad

Enjoyment is the opposite of sacrifice
Enjoyment is also the opposite of suffering
Hence sacrifice is suffering
And love is sacrifice

Since love is sacrifice
Love is suffering
So the more like shit you feel
The more loving you are

:confused:


Who wrote this shit???:confused:

[yeiayel]

[QUOTE=Anders Lindman;113380]Sacrificing oneself sucks. I think we have been manipulated to think of sacrifice as something good, because that benefits the elite, for example look how soldiers sacrifice themselves for their country. We have been thoroughly trained to see that as virtue, even as love; fight for your country for the love of your country, kill someone in the battlefield for the love of your country and become love. Murder is love, that's an idea the elite have managed to program into people. Totally upside-down pavlovian conditioning.



I agree.

[Anders Lindman]

Who wrote this shit???:confused:

I did. :D

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Well I've been thinking a lot about Love the past few weeks because I have been writing it on every post. If your talking about the desire love that comes with attachments and expectations... eg; saying "I love you" and hoping or expecting to hear it in return... a common expectation between spouses and friends... then in this regard people may think it is a sacrifice to do something for another without expectation of a 'reward' or response.

But... if you mean Infinite Love as in what DI talks about then there is no sacrifice. Everything is done with the knowledge that we are all parts of the whole... thus anything you give out you are giving to yourself... there is no sacrifice.

THANK YOU

[carlg1212]

Love is sacrifice
Love is doing something for other people as a sacrifice
Love is committing oneself for the benefit of others
Love is putting others before oneself

Enjoyment is not sacrifice
If you enjoy something then you are selfish
Enjoyment is of the ego
The ego is bad, bad

Enjoyment is the opposite of sacrifice
Enjoyment is also the opposite of suffering
Hence sacrifice is suffering
And love is sacrifice

Since love is sacrifice
Love is suffering
So the more like shit you feel
The more loving you are

:confused:


Hahaha!!! Awesome.

[carlg1212]

But... if you mean Infinite Love as in what DI talks about then there is no sacrifice. Everything is done with the knowledge that we are all parts of the whole... thus anything you give out you are giving to yourself... there is no sacrifice.

Icke's "infinite love" has that ridgid socialist feel to it, like the Anti-Sex League.

[carlg1212]

binary, mmmm india, lol. sanskrit is the best language to program computers in, some even called it an alien language.

That's because the keyboard is a little cumbersome.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-z/17023214/

[Anders Lindman]

That's because the keyboard is a little cumbersome.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-z/17023214/

:eek: How the heck does one write 'David Icke' on a thing like that?

[ho1ogram]

I LOVE YOU

Icke's "infinite love" has that ridgid socialist feel to it, like the Anti-Sex League.

Well I've never heard of them.. sounds like they're uptight cos they're not getting any :D Do they wank? That's a form of sex.

Infinite Love encompassses everything. It is allowing others to do what they wish without judging or condemning them. It is knowing when someone is interfering with another's free will and stepping in. It is not submissive. The sacrifical love is submissive eg; sacrificing oneself for one's country, that is submitting to rulers and the belief that one patch of dirt is more important than another patch of dirt.

Infinite Love is active, living and loving and having fun. Infinite Love is saying "Fuck you politician, banker, journalist, I'm not falling for your lies of seperation, deciet and manipulation" Infinite Love is being aware of tyranny and and speaking out and saying "I'm not taking that bullshit"

Infinite Love is cool :cool:

THANK YOU

[sevenworlds]

Love is.

[herebynightfall]

In the Harry Potter books, yes, love is sacrafice, and understanding.

"It will take uncommon skill and power to kill a wizard like Voldemort even without his Horcruxes." spoke Dumbledore softly.

"But I haven't got uncommon skill and power," said Harry, before he could stop himself.

"Yes, you have," said Dumbledore firmly. "You have a power that Voldemort has never had. You can - "

"I know!" said Harry impatiently. " I can love!" It was only with difficulty that he stopped adding, "Big deal!"

"Yes, Harry, you can love," said Dumbledore, who looked as though he knew perfectly well what Harry had refrained from saying. "Which, given everything that has happened to you, is a great and remarkable thing."

"So, when the prophecy says that I'll have 'power the Dark Lord knows not', it just means - love?" asked Harry, feeling a bit let down.

"Yes - just love" said Dumbledore."

it's a deep series to get into. tons of great life lessons and ways to go about things.

JK Rowling has saved my life.

[Anders Lindman]

In the Harry Potter books, yes, love is sacrafice, and understanding.


Ha! I knew it! The Harry Potter books are a bunch of fascist propaganda. I bet they even promote murder in the books. That's not as bad as the snuff movies shown by mainstream television networks, but close.

[herebynightfall]

Ha! I knew it! The Harry Potter books are a bunch of fascist propaganda. I bet they even promote murder in the books. That's not as bad as the snuff movies shown by mainstream television networks, but close.

No, not sacrifice in that sense.

In the sense that, the world is corrupted by evil.

Harry's ability to love, is the one thing that separates him from Voldemort.

And the ability to love, is everything and anything.

At least comparatively so, to a man who knows not love at all.

For compassion, and understanding on that level are just not there.

So Voldemort has no problem killing, and taking lives of people.

Not worrying about the meaning of that person not being alive anymore has on the world.

Because he can not sympathize what it's like to lose a loved one, because he has never known it.

It's a good reading of what evil will do and why evil does what it does.

And how LOVE truly can overcome.
And wit, and evergoing bravery, will be there to help, when love is understood.

[Anders Lindman]

So Voldemort has no problem killing, and taking lives of people.


And what about Harry Potter? Has Harry Potter any problem taking Voldemort's life?

Some people say that the explicit violence in video games is dangerous. At the same time they have no problem with the 'sanitized' violence in the Harry Potter books and movies. I say that exactly the opposite is true.

[herebynightfall]

There are worse things then death.

One of those things being..

to have lived, and not known love.



I personally, would die, if i knew undoubtedly in my mind.
That every single living organism in our world (the good, the bad, and the ugly)
If every thing and being could experience unconditional love, and knowing, and freedom not held back.

I'd for sure not exist on this plain of being anymore, if that were to be the outcome.

[Anders Lindman]

I personally, would die, if i knew undoubtedly in my mind.
That every single living organism in our world (the good, the bad, and the ugly)
If every thing and being could experience unconditional love, and knowing, and freedom not held back.

I'd for sure not exist on this plain of being anymore, if that were to be the outcome.

I would not. I'm too afraid of death for that. :(

[herebynightfall]

I chose to be hear, and I choose when to leave.

back into the stream, of what is more real then us.

[karma19]

When my bf and I said "I love you" to each other for the first time. It changed things between us. It made things more special and made us realise that our relationship wasn't just about sex but also about bonding.

[bigus_dickus]

I would not. I'm too afraid of death for that. :(

ah, but there is no death, there is no birth, it is all illusion.

[Anders Lindman]

ah, but there is no death, there is no birth, it is all illusion.

Well, not illusions perhaps. Experiences. And experiences are real.

[bigus_dickus]

Well, not illusions perhaps. Experiences. And experiences are real.

really?

[jinjo5]

Love is sacrifice
Love is doing something for other people as a sacrifice
Love is committing oneself for the benefit of others
Love is putting others before oneself

Enjoyment is not sacrifice
If you enjoy something then you are selfish
Enjoyment is of the ego
The ego is bad, bad

Enjoyment is the opposite of sacrifice
Enjoyment is also the opposite of suffering
Hence sacrifice is suffering
And love is sacrifice

Since love is sacrifice
Love is suffering
So the more like shit you feel
The more loving you are

:confused:
Firstly,i take it that poem is not tongue in cheek.
If not,then your first verse is excellent....then it went downhill.
"If you enjoying something then you are selfish",thats a bit harsh.
If we do have only one life,why not enjoy the best you can,you may not get a second chance,didnt realize enjoying yourself was so sinful.....you make it sound like some misguided bible-basher.

"love is suffering",i thought it was a pleasant experience.
This line is the 'best'....."so the more like shit you feel the more loving you are"....what?.....so,you have to be really fed-up and down on yourself to love....doesnt sound right.
Maybe you have joke on us forum people,yes?:D

[Anders Lindman]

Firstly,i take it that poem is not tongue in cheek.
If not,then your first verse is excellent....then it went downhill.
"If you enjoying something then you are selfish",thats a bit harsh.
If we do have only one life,why not enjoy the best you can,you may not get a second chance,didnt realize enjoying yourself was so sinful.....you make it sound like some misguided bible-basher.

"love is suffering",i thought it was a pleasant experience.
This line is the 'best'....."so the more like shit you feel the more loving you are"....what?.....so,you have to be really fed-up and down on yourself to love....doesnt sound right.
Maybe you have joke on us forum people,yes?:D

My point was that when we call something a pleasant experience, then it is not a sacrifice. When we get pleasure out of doing something, then it's love, not sacrifice. So imo sacrifice is not love.

[karma19]

My point was that when we call something a pleasant experience, then it is not a sacrifice. When we get pleasure out of doing something, then it's love, not sacrifice. So imo sacrifice is not love.

Here Here:D

[Anders Lindman]

really?

Yes, of course. The text you are now reading is experienced by you. You cannot deny the reality of that experience. Or maybe you could, but how then would you be able to reply to this post for example? ;)

[bigus_dickus]

Yes, of course. The text you are now reading is experienced by you. You cannot deny the reality of that experience. Or maybe you could, but how then would you be able to reply to this post for example? ;)

like this:

really (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=really&searchmode=none)
c.1430, originally in reference to the presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Sense of "actually" is from early 15c. Purely emphatic use dates from 1610; interrogative use (oh, really?) is first recorded 1815.

:D

[jinjo5]

My point was that when we call something a pleasant experience, then it is not a sacrifice. When we get pleasure out of doing something, then it's love, not sacrifice. So imo sacrifice is not love.
I take it youve not had the pleasant experience of helping someone,is that not a sacrifice.
if you listen to music and find it pleasant,is that wrong?
Ive actually just noticed your avatar,dont think there's much point in continuing this conversation if youre one of the deeply religious,bible bashing type.Forgive me if im wrong,but really,like jehovah's witnesses,there's no talking to them.Obsessive people.

[Anders Lindman]

I take it youve not had the pleasant experience of helping someone,is that not a sacrifice.
if you listen to music and find it pleasant,is that wrong?
Ive actually just noticed your avatar,dont think there's much point in continuing this conversation if youre one of the deeply religious,bible bashing type.Forgive me if im wrong,but really,like jehovah's witnesses,there's no talking to them.Obsessive people.

The avatar is Osama Bin Laden as Jesus Christ. :D When helping someone and it feels good, then obviously it's love. It's the sacrifice that doesn't feel good that I wonder if that's really love.

[carlg1212]

I LOVE YOU



Well I've never heard of them.. sounds like they're uptight cos they're not getting any :D Do they wank? That's a form of sex.

Infinite Love encompassses everything. It is allowing others to do what they wish without judging or condemning them. It is knowing when someone is interfering with another's free will and stepping in. It is not submissive. The sacrifical love is submissive eg; sacrificing oneself for one's country, that is submitting to rulers and the belief that one patch of dirt is more important than another patch of dirt.

Infinite Love is active, living and loving and having fun. Infinite Love is saying "Fuck you politician, banker, journalist, I'm not falling for your lies of seperation, deciet and manipulation" Infinite Love is being aware of tyranny and and speaking out and saying "I'm not taking that bullshit"

Infinite Love is cool :cool:

THANK YOU

You must read Orwell's "1984".

[carlg1212]

:eek: How the heck does one write 'David Icke' on a thing like that?

Simple. You hit "ALT-CTRL-SHIFT-F4-7-B-1-/", all at the same time.

[Anders Lindman]

Simple. You hit "ALT-CTRL-SHIFT-F4-7-B-1-/", all at the same time.

Yeah, it's obvious now that you point it out. :D

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

The Fruit of Silence is Prayer

The Fruit of Prayer is Faith

The Fruit of Faith is Love

The Fruit of Love is Service

The Fruit of Service is Peace


Love Our Father, Love Your Neighbor. These two Laws encompass the whole of the Law. Yahshua Messiah

Faut Souffrir Pour Etre Belle.

It is neccessary to suffer to be beautiful.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[Anders Lindman]

It is neccessary to suffer to be beautiful.


That's right. Suffering is the dirty soil from which love flowers. Without the dirty soil no flower would grow. Yet we are not meant to stay in the soil. Just as the flower we must grow out of it.

[jinjo5]

The avatar is Osama Bin Laden as Jesus Christ. :D When helping someone and it feels good, then obviously it's love. It's the sacrifice that doesn't feel good that I wonder if that's really love.
Osama had a minor part in 9/11,his family and the bush family are virtually family.
Anyway,so youre saying if you sacrifice yourself and it doesnt feel good,that's love.slightly confused sunbeam.:confused:

osama looks like jesus,didnt realize.
the perception of jesus anyway.

[bigus_dickus]

The avatar is Osama Bin Laden as Jesus Christ. :D When helping someone and it feels good, then obviously it's love. It's the sacrifice that doesn't feel good that I wonder if that's really love.

imagine your little daughter inside your burning house screaming of terror and you smoking your cigarette outside wondering if she's ever gonna make it, you wuss.

[Anders Lindman]

Anyway,so youre saying if you sacrifice yourself and it doesnt feel good,that's love.slightly confused sunbeam.:confused:


No, the opposite. When it doesn't feel good, then it's not love.

[Anders Lindman]

imagine your little daughter inside your burning house screaming of terror and you smoking your cigarette outside wondering if she's ever gonna make it, you wuss.

I only accept self-sacrifice based on two conditions:

1. I decide when I will sacrifice myself, or else there would be no responsibility.

2. I cannot demand that others will sacrifice themselves in return for my own self-sacrifice, because then it would be a business transaction, not self-sacrifice.

And that has not necessarily to do with love.

[bigus_dickus]

And that has not necessarily to do with love.

you mean that love is supposed to make you feel good and if something doesn't feel good, then it's not love.

well, could you offer your life to save or help others if it has to do with hate? what about fear? what about anger? what does love mean to you?

[Anders Lindman]

you mean that love is supposed to make you feel good and if something doesn't feel good, then it's not love.

well, could you offer your life to save or help others if it has to do with hate? what about fear? what about anger? what does love mean to you?

Love is when it feels good. If it feels bad, then it's not love.

[bigus_dickus]

Love is when it feels good. If it feels bad, then it's not love.

oh ok, you made it clear enough then. :)

[Anders Lindman]

oh ok, you made it clear enough then. :)

Yes, and I never sacrifice myself. When I do something, then I want something out of it. And that's not sacrifice. :D

[bigus_dickus]

Yes, and I never sacrifice myself. When I do something, then I want something out of it. And that's not sacrifice. :D

yeah i know, it's business. great for the ego :cool:

[Anders Lindman]

yeah i know, it's business. great for the ego :cool:

Yep, but one has to be able to connect to the big picture or else there will be pathology. If I for example am a sadist and get a good feeling when torturing people, then that is love, but an extremely pathological kind of love, since the suffering I create is much larger than the love I feel. In healthy love, other people's love is a part of that love. Not only is that kind of love healthy, but it is also stronger.

[jinjo5]

...i hope youre not enjoying posting on this site anders,cos if you are,then that's just plain sinful.:rolleyes:;)

[Anders Lindman]

...i hope youre not enjoying posting on this site anders,cos if you are,then that's just plain sinful.:rolleyes:;)

I will try to clense me from my sadistic tendencies. ;)