Sasquatch a bear-person not an ape-person?

[supertzar]

Sasquatch is usually thought to be some kind of ape-man. What if he is not a mix of ape and human genetics, but a bear-human hybrid? This is what Stewart Swerdlow says. Joan Ocean, who claims to be friends with the Sasquatch, maintains that they are close friends with the bear.

A grizzly has the size to contribute to the mix. Apes don't, really. Gorillas and Orangutans are huge, but extremely compact. They don't have the height to come anywhere near Sasquatch in size. The grizzly is just big. Add human-like bipedal characteristics and you have a Sasquatch-sized being.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/patterson_bigfoot_lg.jpg

http://assets.panda.org/img/top10_grizzly_54263_87059.jpg

[banjaxo]

no offence but that looks like a man in a monkey suit to me

[chattanova]

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/9/8/31/f_gigantopithm_bfab39e.jpg

[sweet cheeks]

Sasquatch is usually thought to be some kind of ape-man. What if he is not a mix of ape and human genetics, but a bear-human hybrid? This is what Stewart Swerdlow says. Joan Ocean, who claims to be friends with the Sasquatch, maintains that they are close friends with the bear.

A grizzly has the size to contribute to the mix. Apes don't, really. Gorillas and Orangutans are huge, but extremely compact. They don't have the height to come anywhere near Sasquatch in size. The grizzly is just big. Add human-like bipedal characteristics and you have a Sasquatch-sized being.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/patterson_bigfoot_lg.jpg

http://assets.panda.org/img/top10_grizzly_54263_87059.jpg

NO.

[sweet cheeks]

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/9/8/31/f_gigantopithm_bfab39e.jpg

YES!! ;)

[supertzar]

no offence but that looks like a man in a monkey suit to me

Never seen a monkey suit with such musculature and...breasts. Arms are too long, there are lots of reasons this is probably not a man-in-suit. Look at the stabilized and enhanced Patterson footage. The way it walks, the sheer size, the muscular definition, the face, everything points to it being legit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u6Khbis2GPw

[woghd]

With the mountains of evidence, video, hair samples, footprints, eyewitness accounts, etc., even mainstream scientists are finally getting on board, and it looks like the winner will be gigantopithicus. Besides, bears don't have the right number of chromasomes to produce offspring with humans.

Archangel

[supertzar]

Besides, bears don't have the right number of chromasomes to produce offspring with humans.

It wouldn't be a bear actually mating with a human. :rolleyes: We're talking genetic manipulation by aliens here.

[a fine naked fellow]

I think they are more related to man, than either bear or ape.

[hagbard_celine]

Never seen a monkey suit with such musculature and...breasts. Arms are too long, there are lots of reasons this is probably not a man-in-suit. Look at the stabilized and enhanced Patterson footage. The way it walks, the sheer size, the muscular definition, the face, everything points to it being legit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u6Khbis2GPw

I'm a bigfoot believer through and through. BHM's (Big hairy men) are reported everywhere. They've appeared on every continent, even Antarctica, and are clearly some kind of archetype. I personally doubt that they are 100% physical beings at all. They often have ghost like abilities: they appear and dissappear and levitate etc. They also don't only appear in open forest and high mountains far from human habitation; they're often spotted in forested land or park estates in desnly-populated regions like England and the Netherlands where it would seem unlilkly that a race of physical beings could live undiscovered.

I'm afraid I have misgivings over the Petterson film. One fo the guys who did it confessed and said that it was one of their wives dressed up in fur.

[supertzar]

Pretty big fuckin' wife!

That's not the story carried in the media, anyway. It was Bob Hieronymous, I think is his name, who claimed to be the man-in-the-suit. No suit has ever been produced by anyone that looks like the being in that film.

[albie]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

[albie]

The sythetic suits never look right, but if you used genuine skins of a gorilla...

[tinmenace]

I know only that Sasquatch is some hairy creature of unknown origin and species. So, for those of you that know more (saves me having to do the research) - What is the southernmost location that these creatures have been seen?

Also, Yeti of the Himalayas - Does anyone remember reading in one of David's books about some kind of entrance to the underworld in the Tibet region? Could this creature come from there?

What if they are from the inner earth?

[albie]

The genetic studies done on ORANG-PENDEK hairs are interesting. Showing a species of previously unknown ape.

Which shows it must be smart to avoid us so easily.

[albie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nMPmMJeEoqY&mode=related&search=

this deliberately faked apeman looks pretty convincing. addle the footage a bit and it would be pretty convincing.

[supertzar]

Not very convincing at all. It looks like a guy in a suit. Where is the musculature? The longer arms? The impression of great weight? It's not even close.

[albie]

The arms on the fake are longer than PG one!

Looks heavy to me.

the PG one looks fake to me. The more I see it the more I see a fat man. as for the muscles...where?

[supertzar]

The arms on the fake are longer than PG one!

In the first frame it does look as long, but in the following frames it doesn't.

Looks heavy to me.

Does it look as heavy?

the PG one looks fake to me. The more I see it the more I see a fat man. as for the muscles...where?

You can clearly see the ridge formed by the spinal erectors. You can see the quadraceps moving. The triceps are also visible. Also, there is the face. You think it's a mask or makeup or that's just how the guy looks?

[albie]

I suppose his arms shrank? No.

Heavy or fat? Doesn't mean anything.

I see nothing of those muscular details. You must be magic. All that hair could easily confuse.

[supertzar]

Your four frames of a man-in-suit look like exactly that. I don't know what you mean by "heavy or fat?" The Patterson footage shows a heavily muscled female (imagine the musculature on the males!) Definitely not fat. If you can't see that, then you should get your eyes checked or do some lifting to get some muscle on that scrawny frame of yours. That way you will know how to recognize erectors and quads when you see them.

[hagbard_celine]

I know only that Sasquatch is some hairy creature of unknown origin and species. So, for those of you that know more (saves me having to do the research) - What is the southernmost location that these creatures have been seen?

Also, Yeti of the Himalayas - Does anyone remember reading in one of David's books about some kind of entrance to the underworld in the Tibet region? Could this creature come from there?

What if they are from the inner earth?



They've been seen in Antarctica, as far south as you can go.

I don't discount the possibility that some of these creatures are purely physical like us. Maybe they do come up from caverns etc, or the Inner Earth. The polar ones maybe use the orifice that is missing from our maps!

[father ted]

I think there are both- an genetically engineered half man half gorilla, and a genetically engineerd half bear half man. Different experiments I suppose, throughout the years. In bbtb, Swerdlow also mentions that there is a bear alien species. Is this where the modern day bear could have come from geneticaly in the first place?

[grackle]

Not sure what Bigfoot is.

[exmicrochipmafia]

I was actually told by one native elder and shaman that they are known as the descendants of the first men who walked the earth.

[hagbard_celine]

I was actually told by one native elder and shaman that they are known as the descendants of the first men who walked the earth.

The Atlanteans in the book "The Illuminatus! Trilogy" were very hairy.

[chattanova]

Oklahoma also gets hundreds of reports of them every year.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-ok-prairie/

[graflok]

I know only that Sasquatch is some hairy creature of unknown origin and species. So, for those of you that know more (saves me having to do the research) - What is the southernmost location that these creatures have been seen?

Also, Yeti of the Himalayas - Does anyone remember reading in one of David's books about some kind of entrance to the underworld in the Tibet region? Could this creature come from there?

What if they are from the inner earth?



Bigfoot sightings have been reported in every state except HI (and some say there too). source (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/bigfoot-texas.html)

They (or similar creatures) have also been reported in many other countries.

It's my belief that they are subterranean creatures. Their "rotten egg" smell (hydrogen sulfide) is a big clue as this chemical is commonly found in caverns,
especially those with water. Bigfoot is also frequently reported in areas known to have caves/caverns and/or near bodies of water. This would also
explain the difficulty in locating them and the lack of remains or "nests" found in their reported areas.

It might also explain the constant "debunking" that is done by "scientists" about the existence of this animal, i.e., subterranean areas are supposed
to remain "top secret" because that is where ... uh, well, that's another topic.

I think it's also interesting that "Bigfoot" descriptions correspond to descriptions in folklore of ogres and similar "mythological" creatures.

[chattanova]

Hays, Montana Comes Alive with Bigfoot Rumors

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/4/21/f_missioncanym_890c397.jpg

There was a mystery afoot � err ...a Bigfoot � and if anyone was going to solve it, it would be Ruben Horseman.

The volunteer fire chief and self-described snoop, Horseman's phone regularly rings when his Hays neighbors are trying to sort out a story.

"There was a lot of little rumors at first," he said. "That's why I figured we'd go out there and walk it and see what we come up with."

Several people had spotted strange, very large prints in the snow and dirt � some marred with blood and hair � around the powwow grounds where Fort Belknap tribal members hold dances every summer. Armed with only a camera, Horseman and two friends last month bravely headed into Mission Canyon, a mile south of Hays.

What they found surprised even the grizzled investigator. On the south end of the canyon park, some 25 prints were spotted in a 75-yard stretch. The prints looked like giant handprints, with fingers a good 4 inches longer than Horseman's.

Along the canyon wall, a few other handprints were scattered. One print was surrounded by a clump of hair and blood.

Then Horseman and his sluethy crew found the most significant evidence of all � a half-eaten coyote.

"It looked like the creature grabbed it by the front and back legs and bit it in the middle," Horseman said.

It wasn't long before the area was abuzz with the possibility of Sasquatch in their midst.

Speculated to be taller than 7 feet, the alleged ape-like creature is thought to inhabit remote forests in the Pacific Northwest, with early sightings among Native Americans living in the Spokane area dating back to the 1940s.

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/4/4/21/f_missioncanym_65f46fb.jpg

As Horseman continued to explore the area, it wasn't long before people began to gather. Throughout the day, he estimates a hundred people drove in to check out the Sasquatch scene.

Tribal medicine men even came out to give plate offerings to the creature.

"Young and old came out," he said. "Some people believed, some people didn't believe in this kind of thing."

Horseman said because the weather had warmed and cooled, he could tell the iced print had been made at least a day earlier.

The next batch of rumors was that National Geographic was sending out a team to document the scene and search for Bigfoot. Horseman soon after received a call at home, when a low voice confessed the scene was a hoax.

Pressured by the Tribune's staff of investigative reporters, Anthony Shambo spilled that the trickster was his brother, Reno Shambo, who intended to simply pull a prank on his young son.

"He brought it up to me two weeks before it happened," Shambo said Wednesday. "I kind of laughed at him and said nobody's going to believe that."

Reno Shambo, a coyote hunter, had cut the large prints out of 2-by-4s and strapped them to his feet.

"We laughed so hard about it, but then it got out of proportion," Anthony Shambo said. His brother, who couldn't be reached Wednesday, eventually had to go before the Fort Belknap tribal council, displaying his Bigfoot prints to prove it was just a clever sham.

"I think they did an excellent job," Horseman said. "They really put some time into it."

"It definitely livened the place up for a while," Anthony Shambo said.

Reach Tribune Staff Writer Kim Skornogoski at 791-6574, 800-438-6600 or kskornogoski@greatfallstribune.com.

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2008/haysmontana.html

[pillowtalk]

I'm afraid I have misgivings over the Patterson film. One fo the guys who did it confessed and said that it was one of their wives dressed up in fur.

So, you hear a story that contradicts the evidence and you go with it ??.

Why does her elbow break in the wrong place in relation to humans ??.
How do you get a woman in fur to flex her Quads as she walks (through the fur) ??.
How does she make her breast lift with momentum as she turns to look at the sounds she heard.
Why do the hands come down the leg so far ??.
Why have a lot of Hollywood special effects guys (with limit less budgets) stated that they would not be able to recreate that effect ??.

I could go on as there is more to look at with the Patterson film, but i will leave you with these questions for now.

Is a rumour all it takes for you to disregard a large volume of evidence ??.:confused:

PT

[pillowtalk]

A case in point.......
Take, for instance, the reaction of the "skeptical" community (and their cohorts in the elite news media) to Greg Long's recent book, "The Making of Bigfoot: The Inside Story." Long claims to have solved the mystery of the Patterson film -- that famous (or infamous) footage from 1967 of a large, upright walking, hairy beast. A 63-year old man named Bob Hieronimus says that he was the "star" of the film, and the original Bigfoot "costume" was traced by Long to a man named Phillip Morris, who has "confessed" to his role in the purported hoax. The evidence presented by Long (which includes the testimony of many others, as well as legal documents signed by Patterson) has been more than enough for most members of the media to declare "case closed!" not only on the Patterson film, but the entire Bigfoot mystery.
 
On October 7, 2004, the Yakima Herald-Republic published an article with the bold title, "Bigfoot Hoax Goes in Halls of Hooey."

http://www.yakima-herald.com/?storyid=281619770695670

"Will all this truth-telling spell the end of Bigfoot?" I'm not sure what psychic ability Ward possesses that enables her to categorically label these Bigfoot "confessions" as "truth-telling." I'm curious as to how this reporter would react if I told her I was the little green man in 'Ray Santili's Alien Autopsy video'. I could parade around in a rubber alien suit from my local costume outlet, and the next day's headline would read, "ET Sent Home! Existence of Aliens Disproved!" ~ LOLZ.........

PT

[pillowtalk]

We must also remember that it is erroneous to label Bigfoot as a "paranormal" phenomenon. Science is discovering new species of animals all the time, including exotic primates - nothing paranormal about that. As recently as 2003, a new "mystery ape" was discovered in the heart of Africa which is said to have characteristics of both the gorilla and the chimpanzee. The as-yet-to-be classified ape is also said to have feet over 14 inches long, more than 2 inches longer than a typical gorilla's. Most unusually, it was discovered thousands of miles from the nearest documented ape habitat. One primatologist who examined the beasts at an Omaha zoo said, "I can't speculate yet as to what they are. Their behavior is so unusual. It's a puzzle....The possibility is there that this is a new species due to isolation....I feel like Dr. Doolittle in the land of Oz."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2003-08-14-mystery-apes-tested_x.htm
 
One can only hope that the world's skeptics will learn to leave the door open to life's mysteries a bit longer.
PT

[hagbard_celine]

So, you hear a story that contradicts the evidence and you go with it ??.

Why does her elbow break in the wrong place in relation to humans ??.
How do you get a woman in fur to flex her Quads as she walks (through the fur) ??.
How does she make her breast lift with momentum as she turns to look at the sounds she heard.
Why do the hands come down the leg so far ??.
Why have a lot of Hollywood special effects guys (with limit less budgets) stated that they would not be able to recreate that effect ??.

I could go on as there is more to look at with the Patterson film, but i will leave you with these questions for now.

Is a rumour all it takes for you to disregard a large volume of evidence ??.:confused:

PT





No, not at all. I've just not made my mind up yet. If someone did confess to faking the film then it doesn't prove that the film is definitely fake. After all, people have confessed to hoaxes before when they didn't commit them (See the Maury Island Incident). All I'm saying is that we need to take all the info on board.

I'm not a Skeptic and I'm sure Bigfoot does exist. If I'm wrong about this I'll be only too happy to admit it.

[pillowtalk]

No, not at all. I've just not made my mind up yet. If someone did confess to faking the film then it doesn't prove that the film is definitely fake. After all, people have confessed to hoaxes before when they didn't commit them (See the Maury Island Incident). All I'm saying is that we need to take all the info on board.

I'm not a Skeptic and I'm sure Bigfoot does exist. If I'm wrong about this I'll be only too happy to admit it.

Ok, good answer.

How about the 5 questions posed in the post ??, what say you ??.

PT

[hagbard_celine]

Ok, good answer.

How about the 5 questions posed in the post ??, what say you ??.

PT

I don't know the answer to any of them.

As I said, it may well be real. i'm just trying to process as much of the info as I can.

[pillowtalk]

I'm not a Skeptic and I'm sure Bigfoot does exist. If I'm wrong about this I'll be only too happy to admit it.


Do you know how much of the worlds land mass remains uncharted (by foot) ??.
We are not just talking about regains of the mountainous, thick forested, Chinese / Russian border either.

Large areas of, North America / Canada / Europe etc..........

These areas have been surveyed by plane ONLY, as the terrain is just to inhospitable to Humans.

PT

[hagbard_celine]

Do you know how much of the worlds land mass remains uncharted (by foot) ??.
We are not just talking about regains of the mountainous, thick forested, Chinese / Russian border either.

Large areas of, North America / Canada / Europe etc..........

These areas have been surveyed by plane ONLY, as the terrain is just to inhospitable to Humans.

PT

Absolutely. It's a common myth that all the exploring in the world is over.

If the world we know about has not all been explored, what about the vast areas of the planet that have been kept secret!?:eek:

[jmmk]

I happen to know Bigfoot is a real entity. I accidentally ran into one in 1972
in Upstate New York on a foggy June night. The neighbor's dog firstly was
shivering in total fear and I couldn't figure out why.When I threw small rocks
at what I thought was a large dog farther down the road,it walked up to me
and stared me down for a minute to find what was throwing stones at it.
This was no man in a suit. I looked straight into its eyes and sensed no fear
or anger. It took off in great strides into the forest as I ran faster in the oppo-
site direction.It is just another undiscovered species that is dying out.

[hagbard_celine]

.It is just another undiscovered species that is dying out.


Let's hope we can stop the environmental destruction before it's too late.

I'm not a communist, but one thing that's stuck in my mind is that Karl Marx told his followers: "We have the world to win". He should have said: "We have a world to save."

[pillowtalk]

I happen to know Bigfoot is a real entity. I accidentally ran into one in 1972
It is just another undiscovered species that is dying out.

Ah, but is it dying out ??.;)

PT

[hagbard_celine]

Ah, but is it dying out ??.;)

PT



Its habitat seems to be the great forest wilderness of North America. That habitat is under threat so everything that lives there has to be considered an endangered species.

[chattanova]

Patterson Film Bigfoot's 'Guardian' Speaks Out

Considering the renewed interest in the “Gimlin” part of the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot film taken on October 20, 1967, at Bluff Creek, perhaps it’s time to hear from the “The Man Who Held The Rifle.”

Here’s documentary footage of a rarely seen bearded Bob Gimlin discussing the encounter, in 1980, while on Arthur C. Clarke’s program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZQevhA2Eg8

Only during the run-up to the 40th anniversary celebrations of the Patterson-Gimlin footage did Bob Gimlin begin to make more frequent public appearances.

The following are audio clips (Parts 1 and 2) of Bob Gimlin’s “Question and Answer” presentation at the recent “Giants in the Mountains” exhibition. This event took place at the Washington State Capital Museum program as part of “The Search for Sasquatch,” sponsored by Bigfoot Expeditions, January 26, 2008.

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/5/29/f_sasquatch11m_fdbd365.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4yRuTdtdtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXoQbCbYtPU

The following is a minute’s worth of images of Bob Gimlin, Richard Noll, and Owen Caddy at “The Giants in the Mountains” talks, in Olympia, Washington.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQem-atir-0

full article http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/gimlin-qa/

[alwayswatching]

Its habitat seems to be the great forest wilderness of North America. That habitat is under threat so everything that lives there has to be considered an endangered species.

it is a terrible shame that its habitat is under threat,particulary as their is an argument that sasquatch finds it easier to stay hidden,in this day and age.the reasoning being,that their are less men of the wilderness,no more mountain men.

[hagbard_celine]

it is a terrible shame that its habitat is under threat,particulary as their is an argument that sasquatch finds it easier to stay hidden,in this day and age.the reasoning being,that their are less men of the wilderness,no more mountain men.


Yeah, the main reason I want to discover proof of Bigfoot's existance is so we can protect it from the forestry industry or stupid rednecks with guns! Lots of hunters comb the woods eager to be the first one to bag a bigfoot! I'd like to declare an open-season on the hunters!:mad:

[chattanova]

New 2008 Bigfoot Photo?
The same two individuals who have contributed trailcam photographs from near Mt. Hood to Cryptomundo have forwarded a new image from the same area.

Here are the circumstances surrounding this photo:

This picture was taken while we were driving down the road with our camea from home. I wanted to see what I could capture that was moving into the woods that couldn’t be seen. I took this from the car as we drove the road. I was so excited when we put this on the computer and this figure of a Bigfoot was walking back into the woods. This is the area we’ve been working for two years now.
-Dianna Martin

This was photographed on Friday, June 27, 2008, at 2:05 p.m. Pacific time. (The date/time stamp of 7-06-08 at 4:07 p.m. is imprinted on it due to the fact that was when it was uploaded to the zip folder to be sent to me.)

Please note, this is a large file, and may take some time to download when you click on it, if you are on dail-up.

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/7/10/f_dscf6940resm_4d3da22.jpg

VISIT LINK TO ZOOM IN/OUT http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/roadbf-martin/

What do you see? Sasquatch among the trees? Shadows? Blobsquatch?

[hagbard_celine]

New 2008 Bigfoot Photo?

Where is it?:confused:

[chattanova]

Where is it?:confused:

At 'eleven o clock' in the center of the pic. Hard to see until you spot it.

[hagbard_celine]

At 'eleven o clock' in the center of the pic. Hard to see until you spot it.


Oh yeah. It's got it's back to us behind the tree stump.

[chattanova]

Latest Claim: ''We Have A Body of Bigfoot''

Here is the latest from bigfoottracker.com :http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bigfoot-body/


Yes!!!!!!! It’s true, we have a body of bigfoot. We will start to release pictures and videos next month of the body, also we have clear video of Bigfoot alive. Thanks for your support.

100% real no fakes, no scams, we gain nothing til we prove it.

BigfootTracker.com China expedition in March of 2009!!!!!

We will catch Bigfoot alive in 08/09. Guaranteed

We will make you a believer!

Are you ready?

Show me the body!

Come on, just show me the body! Or better yet, if you are afraid of someone in cryptozoology stealing your thunder, hey, show Robin Meade or Bill Schneider at CNN. Or show Bill Geist at CBS News or Jon Daly at Comedy Central.

Just show someone.

Why wait?

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/body-claim/

[chattanova]

Latest Claim: ''We Have A Body of Bigfoot''

The “Bigfoot Trackers” claim they have a Bigfoot corpse, frozen in a freezer, killed by a .30-06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OU4f0WNv8c&eurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bigfoot-body/

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bigfoot-body/

[hagbard_celine]

The vid's taking too long to upload and I have to split. I'll watch it later.

These guys don't come across as very credible in the opening of the film. They look like a pair of classic "geeks"!:rolleyes:

This "hold on till later" cliffhanger tactic has been used by hoaxers before. That git in Denver with the alien in the window film springs to mind.

[chattanova]

The vid's taking too long to upload and I have to split. I'll watch it later.

These guys don't come across as very credible in the opening of the film. They look like a pair of classic "geeks"!:rolleyes:

This "hold on till later" cliffhanger tactic has been used by hoaxers before. That git in Denver with the alien in the window film springs to mind.

I know, we cant expect much out of this, but worth a post I hope:)

[hagbard_celine]

I know, we cant expect much out of this, but worth a post I hope:)


Definitely! :cool:

I may be wrong and this is for real. In which case you'd be kicking yourself for not posting it!:D

[chattanova]

Definitely! :cool:

I may be wrong and this is for real. In which case you'd be kicking yourself for not posting it!:D

To be honoust my get feeling says there wouldn't be any leg injury anyway :p

[ichi wa zen]

I have been pondering about this philosophical question for ages.

Help me!

HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

[mrguitarbear]

If there is a body then it'll have to be analysed and then we'll know the answer !

It begs the question as well - did humans evolve from bears rather than apes ?

[hagbard_celine]

If there is a body then it'll have to be analysed and then we'll know the answer !

It begs the question as well - did humans evolve from bears rather than apes ?


I once read about a theory that we evolved from an aquatic creature.:eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Bigfoot Hair found?:eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4720000/newsid_4720500/4720503.stm

[element]

Bigfoot Hair found?:eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4720000/newsid_4720500/4720503.stm

Well who knows. :) It probably won't be a bizon, but could be a bear. Standing on 2 legs, looking a bit like sasquatch description in the dark?
Let's hope it's a sasquatch/bigfoot.:D It's interesting these stories were there long before Europeans came.

[hagbard_celine]

Well who knows. :) It probably won't be a bizon, but could be a bear. Standing on 2 legs, looking a bit like sasquatch description in the dark?
Let's hope it's a sasquatch/bigfoot.:D It's interesting these stories were there long before Europeans came.

The BHM seems to be a universal archetype.This why I think that some, not all just some, BHM sightings are not physical creatures at all, but what Jonathan Downes calls "zooform phenomena". Sometimes these beasts are seen in city parks and other places where a race of real flesh-and-blood cryptids could not live undiscovered.

The CFZ are back with some supposed Almasty hair and other data: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=436718#post436718

[alrick888]

Don't blink, or you'll miss it....:D

michigan bigfoot sighting on film - YouTube

[element]

Don't blink, or you'll miss it....:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWgpCtfJP7Y

That's just a guy in a suit lol. Very coincidental how the camera was on the right place etc.:rolleyes:

[alrick888]

That's just a guy in a suit lol. Very coincidental how the camera was on the right place etc.:rolleyes:

If that's what you want to believe........:rolleyes:

[element]

If that's what you want to believe........:rolleyes:

yeah it's just me that wants to believe that lol.

All get your werewolf suits and scare the people. :D

[silver_eyes]

It wouldn't be a bear actually mating with a human. :rolleyes: We're talking genetic manipulation by aliens here.

now why the hell would anyone ever do that? im sorry but this is just silly, to my opinion bigfoot is real but of primate origin.

[whitelightrabbit]

I'm a bigfoot believer through and through. BHM's (Big hairy men) are reported everywhere. They've appeared on every continent, even Antarctica, and are clearly some kind of archetype. I personally doubt that they are 100% physical beings at all. They often have ghost like abilities: they appear and dissappear and levitate etc. They also don't only appear in open forest and high mountains far from human habitation; they're often spotted in forested land or park estates in desnly-populated regions like England and the Netherlands where it would seem unlilkly that a race of physical beings could live undiscovered.

I'm afraid I have misgivings over the Petterson film. One fo the guys who did it confessed and said that it was one of their wives dressed up in fur.


i think so too, i think they are interdimentional. there is a local native family here who claim to be close with the bigfoot. they share healing knowledge.

[chattanova]

Sasquatch Spotted North of Grassy Narrows, -Canada

'Looked 8 feet tall'

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A trip to pick blueberries last week bagged something much larger for a Grassy Narrows woman and her mother.

On July 22, Helen Pahpasay and her mother left the Ontario First Nation, located about 80 km northeast of Kenora, to go berry picking.

While driving in their truck to a spot about 25 km north of Grassy Narrows, Pahpasay said she spotted a tall, black creature roughly 15 metres ahead.

"It looked about eight feet tall and it was upright," she said.

Pahpasay said she thought her eyes were playing tricks on her until her mother confirmed she was seeing the same thing in front of them.

"We were scared ... I had no idea what it was," said Helen Pahpasay. "It wasn't a bear or a moose. It was upright and walking."

Pahpasay said the creature they sighted darted into the bush and she and her mom, both frightened, decided to return to Grassy Narrows.

Once there, they met other family members, including Helen's brother Randy Fobister, who urged her to return to the site to see if they could find anything else.

After a bit of convincing, she drove back with friends and family members.

'ONE BIG STEP'

Near the area where Pahpasay reported seeing the tall figure, they say they found a large footprint with six toes near a beaver pond.

Fobister made a plaster cast of the footprint to ship off to be examined.

"It looked like it had taken one big step," said Pahpasay.

Years ago, people in the community used to discuss seeing a mysterious Sasquatch-type creature north of Grassy Narrows.

"I've been hearing about it since I was a kid, so when I got the chance close by here I jumped right on it," Fobister recently told Sun Media.

Pahpasay said she has never encountered anything like what she saw last week.

"I've never believed in anything like that before," she said.

http://www.winnipegsun.ca/News/Canada/2008/07/28/6283276-sun.html

[chattanova]

Bigfoot sighting reported near Alberton, -Canada

A Sasquatch sighting was reported in the Alberton area last week. Since this sighting, the California-based Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization reports four other sightings in Missoula County and one in Ravalli County.

In the Summer of 1977 a young horseback rider claimed a face-to-face encounter in the Rattlesnake Wilderness Area. Then in July of 1989 witnesses heard two powerful vocalizations near their property on the Flathead Reservation.

In January of 2004, a woman reported sighting a Bigfoot like creature at the edge of her backyard. Then the same strong vocalizations were heard again in January of 2005 when two men reported hearing the sounds behind a neighborhood.

The sighting in Ravalli County was in the fall of 2005 when a trucker and his spouse reported a daytime road-crossing sighting near Sula.

The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization follows up all written sightings with an investigation. The organization was started in 1995 and is the only scientific research organization exploring the Bigfoot or Sasquatch mystery.

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=8748833

[chattanova]

Adkins, Texas Bigfoot Sightings

Posted: July 24, 2008

Date: July 17, 2008
Time: 10:15 p.m.

Location of Sighting: My yard.
Number of witnesses: Many
Number of objects:
Shape of objects: Bigfoot.

Full Description of event/sighting: The lead in story reads like a normal night around my house. My family and I have smelled or seen this thing on many occasions. We are missing cats and sometime the cats we have left all come to the porch and will not get down until the smell goes away. Tonight I went out to place some table scraps on the patio for the wild animals and when I stood up this thing, whatever it is was 10-12 feet from me. The ground it was on was about 1-1.5 feet lower than where I was standing and it was the same height as me. I stand 6 feet, so this thing would be near 7.5 feet tall, and an easy 3 feet or more wide. I have always been a very physical person and this thing made me feel about as tough as a preschool girl. I did not have a good light source so I did not get a good look at it.

We have heard it growl several times in the night sometimes right outside of our windows. This was not the first time we have seen it but it was certainly the closest. We are starting to feel like prisoners in our own home. We can not go out after dark without feeling watched. There are other reports in our neighborhood of missing pets. All small animals. We have not found any tracks but we have not felt safe enough to go tromping through the woods with this thing out there. The next door neighbor has experienced some of the same things we are experiencing. We live in a heavily wooded area and wild animals coming up is not uncommon but this is a little extreme.

Thank you to the witness for their report.

http://bigfoot-sasquatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/adkins-texas-bigfoot-sightings.html

[chattanova]

Bigfoot Body Found in Georgia?

DNA and photo evidence to be presented at press conference August 15, 2008,
12 Noon to 1:00PM Pacific, Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto, Palo Alto, California,
open only to credentialed members of the press, not to the public.

“I have found the body that would confirm Bigfoot exists.”
- Tom Biscardi, searchingforbigfoot.com

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Alleged Bigfoot creature thawed in frost-free freezer in northern Georgia
where Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer say they recently found the dead animal.
Whitton and Dyer contacted Tom Biscardi of Searchingforbigfoot.com.

http://www.earthfiles.com/


August 12, 2008

DNA evidence and photo evidence to be presented at a PRESS CONFERENCE to be held on;

Date: Friday, August 15, 2008

Time: From 12Noon-1:00pm

Place: Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto, 4290 El Camino Real

Palo Alto, California 94306

(A Crown Plaza Resort)

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Additional Info:

Two Bigfoot hunters claim they have the body of one and plan to release a photo and what they claim is DNA evidence at a news conference in Palo Alto on Friday.

The Bigfoot is claimed to have been found in the woods of northern Georgia by Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, and the claim is being supported by a Bay Area Bigfoot researcher Tom Biscardi, a multiple local Democratic candidate.

A body that may very well be the body of the creature commonly known as �Bigfoot� has been found in the woods in northern Georgia.

DNA evidence and photo evidence of the creature will be presented in a press conference on Friday, August 15th from 12 Noon to 1:00pm at the Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto at 4290 El Camino Real in Palo Alto, California, 94306. The press conference will not be open to the public. It will only be open to credentialed members of the press.

Here are some of the vital statistics on the �Bigfoot� body:

*The creature is seven feet seven inches tall.

*It weighs over five hundred pounds.

*The creature looks like it is part human and part ape-like. *It is male.

*It has reddish hair and blackish-grey eyes.

*It has two arms and two legs, and five fingers on each hand and five toes on each foot.

*The feet are flat and similar to human feet.

*Its footprint is sixteen and three-quarters inches long and five and three-quarters inches wide at the heel.

*From the palm of the hand to the tip of the middle finger, its hands areeleven and three-quarters inches long and six and one-quarter inches wide.

*The creatures walk upright. (Several of them were sighted on the same day that the body was found.)

*The teeth are more human-like than ape-like.

*DNA tests are currently being done and the current DNA and photo evidence will be presented at the press conference on Friday, August 15th.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/8/14/f_bigfoot480m_2872067.jpg

Source & References:

Chuck Prahl

www.chesapeakelife.com

http://www.inquisitr.com/2357/has-bigfoot-been-found/

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2008/bigfootbodyfound.html

[supertzar]

now why the hell would anyone ever do that? im sorry but this is just silly, to my opinion bigfoot is real but of primate origin.

It's hard to fathom why anyone would ask why aliens would ever manipulate genetics to create a being. It could be for any reason. If you are asking why they would combine bear and human DNA, why not?

[pedsi]

Dont know if this has already been posted,I've not read the whole thread...Lloyd pye has a very intersting theory about the Bigfoot http://www.lloydpye.com

You can allso hear an interview with him at http://www.redicecreations.com.

[hagbard_celine]

Bigfoot Body Found in Georgia?

The news story of this was on the homepage of Google Video!:eek::)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7189444993591333080&vt=lf

[chattanova]

The "Georgia Bigfoot Body" story is a Hoax

The "Georgia Bigfoot Body" story is a hoax, started by two fellows in Georgia. The "body" is a widely available Halloween costume stuffed into a large cooler, with some animal entrails laid on top. This ongoing hoax is now being orchestrated by a notorious con-man named Carmine Thomas Biscardi.

article http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp

[hagbard_celine]

The "Georgia Bigfoot Body" story is a Hoax


Oh for fuck's sake!:rolleyes::rolleyes::(

Bloody timewasters!

[pedsi]

Oh for fuck's sake!:rolleyes::rolleyes::(

Bloody timewasters!

Whats the agenda with these characters, is it to pour scorn on the genuine research, much as in the way the people who create crop circles do..:mad:

[chattanova]

"Bigfoot" fails DNA test

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Tom Biscardi, CEO and founder of BIGFOOT Inc., holds up a picture he claims is the mouth of Bigfoot in Palo Alto, California, August 15, 2008. Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, is a mythical ape-like creature said to live in forests of the Pacific northwest region of the United States.



PALO ALTO, California (Reuters) - Bigfoot remains as elusive as ever.

Results from tests on genetic material from alleged remains of one of the mythical half-ape and half-human creatures, made public at a news conference on Friday held after the claimed discovery swept the Internet, failed to prove its existence.

Its spread was fueled by a photograph of a hairy heap, bearing a close resemblance to a shaggy full-body gorilla costume, stuffed into a container resembling a refrigerator.

One of the two samples of DNA said to prove the existence of the Bigfoot came from a human and the other was 96 percent from an opossum, according to Curt Nelson, a scientist at the University of Minnesota who performed the DNA analysis.

Bigfoot creatures are said to live in the forests of the U.S. Pacific Northwest. An opossum is a marsupial about the size of a house cat.

Results of the DNA tests were revealed in an e-mail from Nelson and distributed at the Palo Alto, California, news conference held by Tom Biscardi, host of a weekly online radio show about the Bigfoot.

Also present were Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, the two who say they discovered the Bigfoot corpse while hiking in the woods of northern Georgia. They also are co-owners of a company that offers Bigfoot merchandise.

Despite the dubious photo and the commercial interests of the alleged discoverers, the Bigfoot claim drew interest from Australia to Europe and even The New York Times.

Biscardi said the DNA samples may not have been taken correctly and may have been contaminated, and that he would proceed with an autopsy of the alleged Bigfoot remains, currently in a freezer at an undisclosed location.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080815/us_nm/bigfoot_dc

[hagbard_celine]

Hold up!:o

Maybe I was hasty in following the hoax side of things! Maybe it's true!:eek: We'll soon find out. If it really is a hoax the pretense cannot be maintained under this level of interest.

Whitton and Dyer are being very sensible in not revealling the location where they saw the creature. If they had the place would now be swarming with sightseers... and maybe even lunatics with guns wanting to be the "man who first shot Bigfoot".:rolleyes::mad:

Ditto the body! :cool:If they kept the body at home "somebody" might come by and steal it, like what happened to Jonathan Reed.

[supertzar]

Look at the picture of the thing in the freezer. It doesn't look massive at all. Andre the Giant was about 7 feet tall and about 500 pounds, give or take 50; he was close to the measurements claimed for the Bigfoot. If Andre's body was in that freezer, you would know it by the incredible size. The thing in the freezer just doesn't look big. The guts look fake. It all looks fake.

[hagbard_celine]

Look at the picture of the thing in the freezer. It doesn't look massive at all. Andre the Giant was about 7 feet tall and about 500 pounds, give or take 50; he was close to the measurements claimed for the Bigfoot. If Andre's body was in that freezer, you would know it by the incredible size. The thing in the freezer just doesn't look big. The guts look fake. It all looks fake.

How do they even know how tall it is? Did they measure it?:confused:

Apparently a national TV news reporter is going to be shown the body later in the week; then we'll know more. The DNA tests have been very ambiguous. The three are all different: Opossum, human and a spoiled one.

[supertzar]

Looks like they made the whole thing up, but the claim was 7'7" 500 lbs.

[hagbard_celine]

Looks like they made the whole thing up, but the claim was 7'7" 500 lbs.

Suspiciously precise!;) Did they put it on some scales? How?:confused:

[chattanova]

Bigfoot Body Revealed to Be Halloween Costume

So it really was a rubber suit.

The excitement over a supposed Bigfoot body that built all last week, culminating Friday in a circus-like press conference in Palo Alto, Calif., collapsed like a wet soufflé over the weekend as an independent investigator found out it was all fake.

SearchingforBigfoot.com owner Tom Biscardi paid an "undisclosed sum" to Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, the two Georgia men who say they found the body, for their frozen corpse and the privilege of trotting them out in front of TV cameras.

At the same time, Biscardi sent self-described "Sasquatch detective" Steve Kulls back to Georgia to check out the body.

Kulls, it's safe to say, was severely disappointed.

The upshot? The real Bigfoot, once found, is now missing. So are Whitton, Dyer and Biscardi's money.

In a long statement on SearchingforBigfoot.com, Kulls reveals what he found early Sunday morning Eastern time as the body thawed out.

"I extracted some [hair] from the alleged corpse and examined it and had some concerns," Kulls writes. "We burned said sample and said hair sample melted into a ball uncharacteristic of hair."

Kulls called Biscardi in California, who told him to heat the body to speed up thawing.

"Within one hour we were able to see the partially exposed head," Kulls continues. "I was able to feel that it seemed mostly firm, but unusually hollow in one small section. This was yet another ominous sign."

Then came the clincher.

"Within the next hour of thaw, a break appeared up near the feet area. ... I observed the foot which looked unnatural, reached in and confirmed it was a rubber foot."

That jibes with what Jerry Parrino, owner of Internet Halloween-costume retailer TheHorrorDome.com, told FOXNews.com last week.

"It definitely looks like our [Sasquatch] costume," Parrino said after viewing photos of the body.

The Biscardi team immediately went into crisis mode. Biscardi called Whitton and Dyer at their California hotel. They admitted it was a hoax and agreed to sign a promissory note at a meeting set for 8 a.m. Pacific time at the hotel.

But when Biscardi got there, he "found that they had left."

"At this time action is being instigated against the perpetrators of this fraud," Kulls writes on Biscardi's Web site. "On behalf of myself I can say with certainty Matthew Whitton and Ricky Dyer [are] not the best Bigfoot trackers in the world!"

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1109/223bigfoothoaxroardk5.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C406101%2C00.html


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1461&category=Environment

[supertzar]

Getting back to the original question, could this be a clue?

Crazy Bears and UFOs
Brad Steiger

With all the feuding, fighting, and fussing that has always seemed to divide the Bigfoot Hunters among us, there appears to be at least one point of agreement: Every Native American tribe seems to have ancient accounts of some kind of interaction with these large humanlike creatures that stretches back for centuries, long before the Europeans invaded the shores of Turtle Island.

There are numerous points of contention. First of all, does Bigfoot, Sasquatch, whatever, even exist. If there is some kind of agreement that the creature fits into some category of beingness, the arguments may grow more intense and include 1.) the possibility that the Bigfoot is not a physical being, but a multidimensional interloper, and 2.) that there is a direct tie between UFO's and these giant creatures. Numerous UFOlogists have argued the possibility that such great hairy bipeds could be experimental creatures from spacecraft left loose on Earth.

Some years ago, James C. Wyatt of Memphis, Tennessee, sent me a copy of his grandfather's journal which contained fascinating and startling entries, written in straightforward fashion, which, if interpreted literally, may indicate that an association between Bigfoot-type creatures and UFOs has existed for quite some time.

In a journal dated 1888, Wyatt's grandfather records that he was somewhere along the Humboldt Line in the "Big Woods Country" where his father and several cowhands had wintered with a local tribe after delivering some cattle to a fort further north. Grandfather Wyatt was fluent in many tribal languages, proficient in sign language, and partook of most of the tribal activities.

One day he came upon a man from the tribe carrying a large platter of raw meat.

At first the man seemed afraid to answer Wyatt's questions concerning his errand, but he finally bade the cattleman to follow him.

In a shallow cave in a cliff face dwelt a beast with long, shiny black hair that covered its entire body, except for its palms and an area around its eyes. The manlike creature did not seem wild or vicious; it sat cross--legged, Indian-style, to wolf the raw meat. Wyatt described the creature as built like a big, well-developed man, except for its lack of neck and its long body hair. The creature's head seemed to rest directly on its shoulders.

Wyatt visited the man-beast in the cave more than a dozen times. After much questioning, and receiving two pounds of tobacco, a compass, and an axe, one of the men from the tribe took Wyatt to a high pinnacle of rock one clear night to tell him of the creature's origin.

"Crazy Bear," as the thing was called by the Indians, had been brought to the "Big Woods" from the stars. A "small moon" had flown down like a swooping eagle and had landed on a plateau a few miles away from the tribe's encampment. The beast in the cave and two other "crazy bears" had been flung out of the "moon" before the craft had once again soared off to the stars.

The man told Wyatt that other "crazy bears" had been left in the vicinity over the years. Wyatt's guide and several of his fellow villagers had occasionally seen the "men" who put the crazy bears off the small moons. They did, nor look like the giant hairy ones, but appeared to be more like men such as themselves. The men from the small moon had much shorter hair than the tribes people, though, and they wore shiny clothing. They always waved to the Indians in a friendly manner before they closed the door in their small moon and flew back to the stars.

The crazy bears had been led to the village by the Indians, and at no time had the hairy giants offered any resistance to their benefactors. The Indians believed that the crazy bears from the stars had been sent to bring them powerful medicine, and they would not permit the creatures to stray away lest they be captured by rival tribes.

I cannot help wondering if the oft-reported monsters and robots seen near UFO landing sites are similar to the "crazy bears" that certain Amerindian tribes were well aware of back in the last century.

Perhaps, as some researchers suggest, the Bigfoot-type creatures are deposited here by extraterrestrial UFOnauts to test our environment in the same manner that we might one day in the future deposit primates on a planet whose atmosphere we wanted to evaluate in terms of a potential landing.

In a lengthy letter to me, James Wyatt speculated: "Who is to say the Crazy Bears weren't exiled to our planet for some crime or other infraction of the laws of another planet [or dimension, we might add]?

"On the other hand, it is not inconceivable that the hairy ones are the food animals of some distant world and have been planted here on Earth to produce herds, just as the old shipmasters used to place pigs and goats on islands to multiply and furnish food for later voyagers.

"That they have not proliferated in great numbers may be due to their inability to provide for themselves, especially if they have been kept as produce animals for generations.

"Or, perhaps, the climate, the atmosphere, or the food available to them is against their best survival purposes. Who knows?"

Who, indeed? I do know that I have spent a good many years attempting to find out. It may be a bit unnerving to suggest that Bigfoot may be the property of some other-dimensional interlopers or potential extraterrestrial colonists. By the same token, so may we fit into a similar category--and I find that infinitely more unnerving.

[hagbard_celine]

Bigfoot Body Revealed to Be Halloween Costume

Oh Fer Fooks sake!:mad: This kind of nonsense is turning people away from serious research into genuine phenomena!

Bloody heck! Biscardi should have known better!:rolleyes: Did he fall down in the last shower!?

[chattanova]

Oh Fer Fooks sake!:mad: This kind of nonsense is turning people away from serious research into genuine phenomena!

Bloody heck! Biscardi should have known better!:rolleyes: Did he fall down in the last shower!?

I can't understand why he would be doing this, think of all the time and effort, must be a crazy-man or he's been paid to make disrespect to the research.

[chattanova]

Georgia Cop Who Perpetrated Hoax is Fired

BigFoot Hoax leaves cop fired, facing possible charges

A Georgia lawman has lost his job and he and his buddy are under investigation after they initated a Big Foot scam that netted them an undisclosed amount of cash.
Researchers who thawed out the supposed body said it is really a rubber costume.
Steve Kulls executive director of Squatchdetective.com said that he and several others began thawing out the alleged bigfoot on Saturday.
Matthew Whitton, a Clayton County police officer and Ricky Dyer claimed they found the body in the north Georgia mountains and froze it to protect it.
As with all other such claims, it all turned out to be a hoax which in itself is not a criminal offense but these guys got paid some loot from a group who offers a reward of sorts for the capture of the alledged monster.

Authorities say that by Sunday the ice was melting and the bigfoot story was starting to fall apart.
“I observed the foot which looked unnatural, reached in and confirmed it was a rubber foot,” said Steve Kulls executive director of Squatchdetective.com in a press release. “Later that day, both Matthew Whitton and Ricky Dyer admitted it was a costume.”
Kulls claims that Whitton and Dyer were paid an undisclosed amount of money for their find by Searching For Bigfoot, Inc. He said that the two men have disappeared since the hoax was discovered.
On Tuesday, Clayton County Police Chief Jeff Turner said he has not spoken to Whitton but processed paperwork to fire him.
“Once he perpetrated a fraud, that goes into his credibility and integrity,” Turner said. “He has violated the duty of a police officer.”

http://privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/georgia-cop-fired-over-big-foot-hoax-faces-possible-charges-wwwprivateofficercom/

[hagbard_celine]

I can't understand why he would be doing this, think of all the time and effort, must be a crazy-man or he's been paid to make disrespect to the research.


He sounds a bit like the character from the Viz comic, Aldridge Prior the Hopeless Liar!:D

I wonder, is their an element of disinfo about this. Stupid hoaxes like this do terrible damage to the public credibility of paranormal research. Remember the Alien Autopsy film?:(

It's not as if he went into the scam with the intention of it working! They must have known that they would definitely be found out in no time at all.

[hagbard_celine]

Georgia Cop Who Perpetrated Hoax is Fired


Yes, I kind of think that a policeman who perpatrates blatent Bigfoot hoaxes might have comprimized his public trust... just slightly!:p

[chattanova]

It's not as if he went into the scam with the intention of it working! They must have known that they would definitely be found out in no time at all.

Yes, it's like that was their agenda, they wanted to screw it big time just so people next time wouldn't care to listen. :confused: Well, I'm not giving up:D It was kindof suspicious even from the first video they released, didn't look much serious to say atleast..:rolleyes:

[chattanova]

yes, i kind of think that a policeman who perpatrates blatent bigfoot hoaxes might have comprimized his public trust... Just slightly!:p

ROFL spot on h_c :D

[smurf]

I was watching the news a few days ago and the reporter said that the Patterson film was recently proven to be a hoax. Did a little research and I can't find that confirmed anywhere else. Sounds like someone was trying to discredit the film without any truth, yes?

[supertzar]

Bob Hieronymous claimed to have worn the suit.

[biblegirl]

I wonder, is their an element of disinfo about this. Stupid hoaxes like this do terrible damage to the public credibility of paranormal research. Remember the Alien Autopsy film?:(


Wasn't this bigfoot story released just after the montauk monster report? There was so much press about the bigfoot, the monster seemed quickly forgotten...

Can you tell I love a good conspiracy? :D

[smurf]

Bob Hieronymous claimed to have worn the suit.

Now that you mention that, I do remember seeing that on TV about a year ago. They showed him walking by some barn or something; guess what, he walked just like the "bigfoot" in the Patterson film. I'll do some more research before I call a hoax.

[hagbard_celine]

Yes, it's like that was their agenda, they wanted to screw it big time just so people next time wouldn't care to listen. :confused: Well, I'm not giving up:D It was kindof suspicious even from the first video they released, didn't look much serious to say atleast..:rolleyes:

Good for you, but I wonder how many other people will see through this emotional manipulation.

If you found a real Bigfoot body today what would you do? I'd hesitate to go public with it, but before this Georgia farce I'd shout it from every rooftop! My point is: Did "someone" pay Whitton and Dyer to pull this stunt?:confused:;)

[hagbard_celine]

I was watching the news a few days ago and the reporter said that the Patterson film was recently proven to be a hoax. Did a little research and I can't find that confirmed anywhere else. Sounds like someone was trying to discredit the film without any truth, yes?

There are all sorts of claims about what Patterson's mate is supposed to have said on his deathbed which the Skeppers are jumping upon. :rolleyes: As far as I can see the case is still open.

[hagbard_celine]

Wasn't this bigfoot story released just after the montauk monster report? There was so much press about the bigfoot, the monster seemed quickly forgotten...

Can you tell I love a good conspiracy? :D

Oh yes! Good point!:cool:

Maybe the intention was to "bury" the Montauk case.;)

[hagbard_celine]

Bob Hieronymous claimed to have worn the suit.


According to some.;)

[smurf]

There are all sorts of claims about what Patterson's mate is supposed to have said on his deathbed which the Skeppers are jumping upon. :rolleyes: As far as I can see the case is still open.

Well I'm glad that it's still up in the air. I want to believe Bigfoot, I really do.

I used to read the Bigfoot and UFO books in the school library all the time as a kid. :D I've always loved those "Unsolved Mystery" and "Strange but true!" books.

[chattanova]

Well we(I) should probably stop giving the bigfoot hoaxers more attention now, but now they come up with an 'explanation'

Bigfoot Hoaxers Resurface, Lay Blame on California Promoter

August 22nd, 2008 - 2:43 pm ICT by ANI-Washington, August 22 (ANI): Bigfoot hoaxers Rick Dyer and Matthew Whitton have resurfaced and are laying the blame of the fraud on Tom Biscardi, the California promoter who trotted them out for a nationally televised press conference on August 15th.

The hoax came into being after the Georgia residents, Rick Dyer and Whitton, recently claimed that they had discovered the frozen corpse of a Bigfoot.

But, Tom Biscardi, owner of the website www.searchingforbigfoot.com, decided to investigate the claim and hired a self-described Sasquatch detective Steve Kulls to get under the skin of things.

After an elaborate analysis, Kulls found that the body of the Bigfoot was nothing but a Halloween costume, made of rubber.

Now, according to a report by Fox News, Dyer and Whitton told two Atlanta TV stations that the entire affair was a joke that got out of hand.

I just wanted to put out some good news. People are upset with the war and stuff whats so bad about Bigfoot? Nobody got hurt, said Dyer.

It got into something much bigger than it was supposed to be, said Whitton. It started off as just some You Tube videos and a Web site, he added.

Though Biscardi has accused Dyer and Whitton of running off with the 50,000 dollars advance he gave them a week ago and plans to sue them, the hoaxers have blamed him for the fraud.

They have hired a prominent defense lawyer and have also briefly posted a video on You Tube, arguing that Biscardi knew all along that the Bigfoot body was bogus.

We have proof, said Dyer. Not proof of Bigfoot we have proof of everything, and thats whats gonna come out in the next couple of days, he explained. (ANI)

http://www.mysterycasebook.com/2008/bigfoothoaxers.html

[hagbard_celine]

Well we(I) should probably stop giving the bigfoot hoaxers more attention now, but now they come up with an 'explanation'


Oh Puh-leeze!:rolleyes::rolleyes: Now they're finger-pointing and scape-goating!

These two prats have actually done a big favour to anyone who wants to supress research into the paranormal. How many people, like me, get a lot less interested when YouTube vids of UFO's and aliens etc appear? This is because therer are so many fakes and conbfusing information.

[supertzar]

You guys ever watch Bigfoot and Wildboy? :D

Bigfoot and Wildboy TV intro (1977) - YouTube

[hagbard_celine]

You guys ever watch Bigfoot and Wildboy? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NNb1pgQlQo

No I never saw it. Did I miss much?:p

But now we know where those two prats got their fake Bigfoot corpse from: the abandoned props cupboard of that show!:D

[supertzar]

It was an awful show from the creators of 'H.R. Pufnstuff,' Sid and Marty Krofft. To my four-year-old sensibililties it was great. I thought it would be the best to be Wildboy and fight villains with my best friend Bigfoot.


Here is Andre The Giant as a bionic, remote-controlled Bigfoot in 'The Six Million Dollar Man.' I had the toy! It had bionic eyes that you could look through from the back of it's head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qefQardXw&feature=related

[hagbard_celine]

Here is Andre The Giant as a bionic, remote-controlled Bigfoot in 'The Six Million Dollar Man.' I had the toy! It had bionic eyes that you could look through from the back of it's head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qefQardXw&feature=related


I hate to say this... but it looks a bit like Jonathan Downes!:o Hope he's not reading this!:D

[chattanova]

Sasquatch Sighting Reported to UFO Research

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A woman on Buck Flats Road reported a Sasquatch sighting on Aug. 26 to Brian Vike, Director of Houston British Columbia Canada (HBCC) UFO Research.

She made the report 29 days after the July 28 sighting simply because she didn�t not know who she should tell.

"It was my neighbour who said Brian was the person to talk to," she said.

Since her incident, one of the woman�s friends reported a sighting on Telkwa High Road in Moricetown and over the summer there have been sightings in Campbell River and in Port Renfrew on Vancouver Island.

Just Sunday morning, the woman heard something crashing outside near her house and her dogs were anxious to get outside.

"I am becoming much more aware of being out here," said the woman whose home is surrounded by trees and bluffs. "I mean it could have been a moose or something, but you never know."

The woman agreed to talk to Houston Today under a condition of anonymity.

At 5:45 a.m. that morning of July 28, the woman heard her dogs barking at the door. When she went down to investigate she saw that someone or something was rattling the door handle. Knowing that her son was not due back from his graveyard shift for two more hours, she began to panic.

She eventually opened the door and the dogs were out like a shot, sniffing out something on he east side of her property.

When she looked out at the side of her house, she saw a creature that was walking on two legs.

"It was huge and it had long hair, not fur � kind of like the kind you see on an ox and a reddish brown, the colour of the trees that are killed by the pine beetle," said the woman. "And it moved so fast, by the time I opened my door it had run from the porch to the other side of the house."

Once outside, the dogs pursued the creature it continued along a dried-up ravine and disappeared into a forested area. Her oldest dog didn�t return for three hours.

"I was worried but what do you do, tell people your dog is chasing bigfoot?" she asked. "I drove up and down the road, looking for him and eventually he came back."

When she went out later that day, she found the area had markings where something very heavy had laid down the grass along the path.

When Vike investigated the property, he stood in the same area on the east side of the house where the women had seen the creature in attempt to gauge it�s height.

Except for the markings, Vike didn�t find any other evidence but he did say what the woman saw coincides with other sightings this summer.

"I am just over six feet and when I stood there she said she could only see the top of my head," said Vike. "Whatever the heck she saw that morning, she was able to see from the head to the chest, making it at least seven or eight feet."

http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_north/houston-today/news/28099319.html

[chattanova]

Scientists Interested In Large Footprint Discovery

http://img26.picoodle.com/data/img26/3/9/19/f_bigfootfossm_2ce5ec8.jpg

Reported By Dennis Ferrier

POSTED: 6:23 pm CDT September 5, 2008

COOKEVILLE, Tenn. -- A retired Cookeville builder has discovered a mysterious set of large footprints on his property.

Harold Jackson is an amateur archaeologist who enjoys collecting arrowheads and other Native American artifacts. But the most extraordinary find of his life came on his property near the Caney Fork River.

For months he stepped on a rock near his house that caught his eye. Finally, he brought the unusual rock home and cleaned it up. After all of the mud was removed, a remarkable discovery was revealed.

"I don't know anything about archaeology or anything, but if you look at it, it's a footprint. No animal footprint looks like that. Now, if it's a Native American, an Indian, then he was a big Indian," said Jackson. "(The print) is about 11 inches wide and about 15 inches long."

Jackson said the fossilized print clearly shows the heel and all five toes.

"It's got to be thousands of years old," said Jackson.

About half-a-dozen scientists said they want to look at the print, including Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, a famous Bigfoot professor at Idaho State University. Meldrum collects Bigfoot prints from all over the world.

Jackson said the print has made him a believer in Bigfoot.

"It was just hard for me to believe. But listen, after I found this print, there's a Bigfoot out there somewhere. I don't know what kind of Bigfoot it is, but there's a Bigfoot out there somewhere," said Jackson.

Channel 4 has yet to reach Meldrum or Tennessee state archaeologist Nick Fielder to comment on the artifact.

Jackson said there is another similar-sized large fossilized foot imprint on his property but has been unable to extract it from the rock.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/17405066/detail.html#-

[chattanova]

Bigfoot hoax body sold for 250,000 dollars on eBay

Washington, October 18 (ANI): The hoax body of Bigfoot, which was found to be a Halloween costume made of rubber, has been sold for 250,000 dollars on eBay, an online auction website.

According to a report in Fox News, the hoax came into being after two Georgia residents, Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer, recently claimed that they had discovered the frozen corpse of a Bigfoot.

But, Tom Biscardi, owner of a Bigfoot exploration website, decided to get under the skin of things, and hired a self-described Sasquatch detective Steve Kulls to solve the mystery.

He sent Kulls to a secret location apparently Muncie, Indiana to check out the specimen.

But, what Kulls found at the location failed to impress him, and after elaborate analysis, he declared the body to be a fake.

Paranormal entrepreneur Joshua P. Warren, from North Carolina, put the original rubber Halloween costume on eBay for sale; complete with the basement freezer it was kept in.

The winning bidder put up 250,203 dollars by the end of the auction, which closed on October 17.

Neither of them are going to make a penny off of this auction, said Warren, referring to Whitton and Dyer.

Warren also said that Tom Biscardi wouldnt get any of the auction money.

My arrangement is with the people who control the body. Money from this auction is going to hopefully resolve the legal conflicts, he added.

Warrens eBay auction page explains that the animal parts have since been replaced with non-organic materials.

The winner will get the rubber costume with non-organic parts replacing the roadkill guts, the freezer, legal paperwork to prove its authenticity and a personal visit from Dyer and Whitton.

As for the existence of the mythical Bigfoot, Warren said, I really do not believe that there is a physical, biological 800-pound ape-like organism running around out there in North America.

There is no biological basis for that, he added.

As for this particular hoax, Warren said, Id be lying if I said I wasnt hoping it was real when I heard two guys had found a body. But once again it was not to be true. (ANI)

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/bigfoot-hoax-body-sold-for-250000-dollars-on-ebay_100108668.html

[hagbard_celine]

Good grief! There's one born every minute!:D:eek:

[tootrue]

Hey, anyone posted this before - check it out - 'Is it a bear, is it an alien, is it an ALIEN ICE BEAR? (http://tv.sky.com/nature-shock-alien-ice-bear)'

(I think scientists :rolleyes: conclude that it is a hybrid bear...)

[biblegirl]

I'm a bigfoot believer through and through. BHM's (Big hairy men) are reported everywhere. They've appeared on every continent, even Antarctica, and are clearly some kind of archetype. I personally doubt that they are 100% physical beings at all. They often have ghost like abilities: they appear and dissappear and levitate etc. They also don't only appear in open forest and high mountains far from human habitation; they're often spotted in forested land or park estates in desnly-populated regions like England and the Netherlands where it would seem unlilkly that a race of physical beings could live undiscovered.


Hey I'd like to know more about this, do you remember where you read it? Thanks :).

[thelyran]

Not very convincing at all. It looks like a guy in a suit. Where is the musculature? The longer arms? The impression of great weight? It's not even close.

...It's ManBearPig,according to Al Gore:D

[metacomet]

I think they are more related to man, than either bear or ape.

So do I.

[chattanova]

Thermal video of Baby Bigfoot ?

Take a look at the first few seconds of this video from Wisconsin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OOeLCelxOg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogsquatcher.blogspot.com%2F200 9%2F06%2Fthermal-video-of-baby-bigfoot.html&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OOeLCelxOg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogsquatcher.blogspot.com%2F200 9%2F06%2Fthermal-video-of-baby-bigfoot.html&feature=player_embedded

The videographer had this to say:

A baby bigfoot is seen here on the ground looking up to a branch in a tree just before it leaps up and swings through the tree's.
A photo later of a person 5 foot 6 inches, has shown this baby bigfoot is about 4 foot tall.

I don't know how the videographer knows it's a bigfoot. Maybe he'll answer some polite questions. I can see what looks like legs as it runs away, but it's so briefly on screen, I really am not sure what I see.

UPDATE: The videographer, who goes by the screen name replures, replied to my questions this way:

I was standing on the ground, and fell to my knee to start recording.
The reason I say bigfoot, is because it has the profile of a humanoid just before it leaps for the trees, and the reason I know its not a human is because of its speed and stealth through the branches.
I did go back to the spot with a person, and had the person stand where this thing was, the person stands 5 foot 6 inches tall, from this estimate the critter is 4 foot tall.

I would have to argue that I'm not so sure it has a profile of a humanoid in that brief moment before it leaps out of frame (which I cannot, unfortunately, get the YouTube file to freeze on..). I see something that looks a bit like a tail shooting off to the left. I also see what looks like ears up on the top. If I were going to guess, I'd say it was a fox or some other canid. It doesn't look like it's going up into a tree to me, either. It looks like the shot is at an angle down toward the ground, and the animal simply trots away.

UPDATE: Make sure to check out the stabilized version.

http://blogsquatcher.blogspot.com/2009/06/thermal-video-of-baby-bigfoot.html

[chattanova]

Bigfoot caught on Trail cam ? (Remer, Minnesota)

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Tim Kedrowski and sons, Peter and Casey, say their motion-activated game trail camera captured this image of a black creature, approximately 7-feet tall, moving through a stand of trees on his land near Remer, Minnesota, on Oct. 24th. The alleged Bigfoot photo, first published by The Bemidji Pioneer, has stirred up a heated debate around the Web. Check out Loren Coleman's update and comments on the story at Cryptomundo.


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/42715

[chattanova]

Tree Creature filmed in Maine, -USA

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/1/2/kennet/f_1coco77x9pvm_9adad58.jpg

video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzELdzjXVQk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzELdzjXVQk

Some friends were walking through the woods in Maine and noticed something in a tree. Here is a pic of the creature they saw. You can watch video of the incident at YouTube.

--Rocky

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/43029

[amethyst]

Bigfoot caught on Trail cam ? (Remer, Minnesota)

That one looks fake IMO

[royq]

My measurements of the film, made 36 years ago, gave the creature arms that were 30 inches from the shoulder to the wrist and legs that were 35 inches from the hip to the ground. My own measurements are about 24 inches from shoulder to wrist and 40 inches from hip to ground.

Only the ratios of the measurements matter, the actual size of either the human or the creature makes no difference, and the ratiosfor creature and human are so much different that precise accuracy of the measurements is not significant either.

The much ridiculed Patterson-Gimlin film does not show a man in a suit.

What about Roger Patterson buying a gorilla suit? Philip Morris does not claim to have records, only a memory. Neither Mrs. Patterson nor Bob Gimlin remember Roger having any such suit. But Roger was trying to make a Bigfoot documentary at that time and most such documentaries contain re-enactments by someone wearing a fur suit. If he did buy one it has little more significance than an apprentice carpenter buying a hammer. The descriptions of the suit by the two key witnesses are totally contradictory. Morris is quoted as having described his suit in precise detail, and how he made it. The suit had six separate pieces: a head a body (arms, torso and legs), two hands and two feet. A knitted cloth material served as a backing to thousands of synthetic nylon strands called dynel, which were driven by a powerful knitting machine with needles through the knitted cloth material and then pulled back through to the other side. It had a 36-inch zipper up the back.

Bob Heironimus is also quoted, saying that Patterson made the suit himself by skinning a dead horse and gluing fur from an old fur coat on the horsehide. It was in three parts, head, torso and legs that felt like big rubber boots and that went to his waist.

He thought the feet were made of old house slippers. The suit weighted 20 or 25 pounds and he needed help to get in and out of it. It also smelled bad. “It stunk. Roger skinned out a dead, red horse.” Yup.

[royq]

http://www.bfro.net/news/challenge/green.asp <-- check it out

[biblegirl]

we like the patterson film ;)

i think meldrum does a good job with his analysis

[metacomet]

Bigfoot caught on Trail cam ? (Remer, Minnesota)

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/1/12/12/f_om4odofo1xim_7c0dda7.jpg

Booooo...

Really wish this story hadn't disappeared either. Must have been a hoax.

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/1/2/kennet/f_1coco77x9pvm_9adad58.jpg

[royq]

[QUOTE=metacomet;1058609598]Booooo...

Really wish this story hadn't disappeared either. Must have been a hoax.

Most definitely a suit. Note how sleek the lags are. And just like a human.
Mean't the quote you quoted. Trail cam
/solved

[supertzar]

What do you think about this site? It's too good to be true, but I'm sure stranger things have happened. To tie it in with my original post she refers to the friendship between Sasquatch and bears.

http://www.joanocean.com/sasquatch.html

I began to learn all that I could about the Sasquatch from other people's experiences. A new friend who lives on the edge of the woods told me the Sasquatch live near her and she knows them. I sent her one of my dolphin books to give as a gift to the Sasquatch.

Two weeks later, I received a gift in return. The Sasquatch had chosen a rock for me. A heavy quartz rock, weighing 5 pounds with many little crystal bits within it, gleaming in the light. Along with it came a piece of crumbled paper. On it was the carefully printed words: FOR WATER WOMAN.

http://www.joanocean.com/saquatch/3-forWW.jpg

[morphal]

What do you think about this site? It's too good to be true, but I'm sure stranger things have happened. To tie it in with my original post she refers to the friendship between Sasquatch and bears.

http://www.joanocean.com/sasquatch.html

Wow... what an interesting thread title. I've been thinking about sasquatch and bears a LOT in the past 6 months, since I saw a 7 foot tall black thing push a dead tree over at me and run away, as I was walking by a patch of forest.

I'd seen bears twice - once before this event, and once after, this is 2009, summer, and fall. When I saw the 7 foot tall black thing - first I heard the crackling of the tree, looked over, saw it, started backing away - my mind filled in the blanks that it was another bear sighting. It wasn't until months later I began to realize that the bears I had seen - black bears - are walking around on all 4s and so generally are not 7 feet tall - they are pretty small and quite different looking to the black thing that pushed the tree over at us (me and my child) - it was about 10 to 15 feet away from us. I don't know what I saw but I think there could be a connection.

[morphal]

Wow... what an interesting thread title. I've been thinking about sasquatch and bears a LOT in the past 6 months, since I saw a 7 foot tall black thing push a dead tree over at me and run away, as I was walking by a patch of forest.

I'd seen bears twice - once before this event, and once after, this is 2009, summer, and fall. When I saw the 7 foot tall black thing - first I heard the crackling of the tree, looked over, saw it, started backing away - my mind filled in the blanks that it was another bear sighting. It wasn't until months later I began to realize that the bears I had seen - black bears - are walking around on all 4s and so generally are not 7 feet tall - they are pretty small and quite different looking to the black thing that pushed the tree over at us (me and my child) - it was about 10 to 15 feet away from us. I don't know what I saw but I think there could be a connection.

Thinking about this now I just realized another strange thing about this event. Clearly there was noise being made, it was what alerted me to this being, that and the tree falling in my path. But as I looked over and backed away, and saw the dark tall form, I saw it move off - just a brief flash of image - but there was NO SOUND. There was no crashing through the thick forest. There were people ahead of me and a person behind me who saw this happen and it was very odd. It happened only as I approached the area where it was, as if it had been hiding waiting for me. Then - no other sound - almost as if it had been an interdimensional and physical event. In the last month I've read about bigfoot's connection with aliens and space intelligences. I had been thinking about bigfoot and not sasquatch, but a black sasquatch makes more sense, I guess, to what this creature was.

[supertzar]

That is so interesting, morphal. Do you mind if I ask where this occurred? I have seen black bears too at a dump in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. People from the Lower Peninsula on vacation drive to the dump and watch the bears who of course come to eat. Black bears are kind of dinky, I agree.

[morphal]

That is so interesting, morphal. Do you mind if I ask where this occurred? I have seen black bears too at a dump in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. People from the Lower Peninsula on vacation drive to the dump and watch the bears who of course come to eat. Black bears are kind of dinky, I agree.

Yes black bears are unfortunately becoming like raccoons around here and some don't even hibernate in the winter any more. I had begun noticing this past summer that they seem to be changing, they are very smart, they enter peoples houses and apartments now, when people aren't at home. I have been very sad for the bears. So this bear-sasquatch connection is very profound, I had never heard of this and will have to read this thread, I'm so busy with research right now, I just saw the title here and popped in at the end with my story.

This is in the suburbs of Vancouver, BC. We have a huge patch of wilderness behind us and I'm pretty close to the start of the mountains. Within 10 miles I'd say. It is totally wild and uninhabited. That's why we have bears coming down the mountains now and into the forest trails in the suburbs.

[morphal]

Booooo...

Really wish this story hadn't disappeared either. Must have been a hoax.

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/1/2/kennet/f_1coco77x9pvm_9adad58.jpg

The first photo is what it looked like! ! ! It didn't get requoted - but the one above of the tall bipedal black bigfoot.

[morphal]

Thinking about this now I just realized another strange thing about this event. Clearly there was noise being made, it was what alerted me to this being, that and the tree falling in my path. But as I looked over and backed away, and saw the dark tall form, I saw it move off - just a brief flash of image - but there was NO SOUND. There was no crashing through the thick forest. There were people ahead of me and a person behind me who saw this happen and it was very odd. It happened only as I approached the area where it was, as if it had been hiding waiting for me. Then - no other sound - almost as if it had been an interdimensional and physical event. In the last month I've read about bigfoot's connection with aliens and space intelligences. I had been thinking about bigfoot and not sasquatch, but a black sasquatch makes more sense, I guess, to what this creature was.

Requoting to clarify - the 2 people way ahead of me, and the one guy coming up from behind - neither of them saw the black thing, only the tree falling in my path and me backing off. They all looked at me and we all paused. I told them it was a bear, and a few seconds later, I knew it was gone and I just veered over a bit and we all carried on as usual, except the guy behind me was very curious and kept looking over and I kept telling him it was a bear and he was saying it made him really want to go back into that thick scrubby forest now, and I was telling him not too. I was totally scared and shocked. I walk by there on average a few times a week now and ever since I am totally wary and feeling this dark sense whenever I walk by there because I know it could be in there!!! But I can't let that stop me from walking around.

[supertzar]

I think there are both- an genetically engineered half man half gorilla, and a genetically engineerd half bear half man. Different experiments I suppose, throughout the years. In bbtb, Swerdlow also mentions that there is a bear alien species. Is this where the modern day bear could have come from geneticaly in the first place?

Another Swerdlow reference to bears and Sasquatch from the book Blue Blood True Blood:

The Manifest Destiny of the United States was created to expand the territory of the Aryans at the expense of the native populations. As always, the Illuminati seek to destroy native peoples and their cultures. This is an attempt to destroy their knowledge of God-Mind, as well as the possibility that the natives will impart this information on to others. Especially important is their need to eliminate native cultures with ancient knowledge of Atlantis and Lyrae.

The natives that gave them the most problem were the Cherokee Indians because this tribe retained most of their Atlantean knowledge, even accessing the Bear/Bigfoot frequency for information. For this reason, these people were uprooted from their homeland in the southern Appalachian Mountains, and forcibly marched to Oklahoma on what is now known as The Trail of Tears. Many died along the way. Only a remnant remained in North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia. In the north, the vast Iroquois/Mohawk nation was disbanded. The Montauk, direct descendents of the Atlanteans who call their leader Pharaoh, were systematically eliminated.

Another related quote:

Many prototypes were developed over millennia. Under the supervision of the Hatona Council, races were created and then destroyed when it was not acceptable by all parties. This explains why ancestors of mankind appear and then suddenly disappear in layers of archaeological analysis.

Twelve humanoid, and one Reptilian, groups donated DNA for this purpose. Mankind was developed in the area now known as Iran/Iraq, as well as parts of Africa. Hybrids were also developed on Atlantis and Lemuria. Remnants of these are seen today as the Bigfoot or Yeti in North America and Asia; the aborigines of Australia; and the pygmies and Watusi in Africa.

The African versions were created by beings from a nomadic, artificial planet known as Nibiru, or Marduk. These Reptilian-like beings travel in a manufactured world looping our solar system. The Sumerians called them Anunnaki.

[supertzar]

...there was NO SOUND. There was no crashing through the thick forest. There were people ahead of me and a person behind me who saw this happen and it was very odd. It happened only as I approached the area where it was, as if it had been hiding waiting for me. Then - no other sound - almost as if it had been an interdimensional and physical event. In the last month I've read about bigfoot's connection with aliens and space intelligences. I had been thinking about bigfoot and not sasquatch, but a black sasquatch makes more sense, I guess, to what this creature was.

Joan Ocean talks about things like this on her page that I linked to; the interdimensional nature of Sasquatch encounters.

Do you draw a distinction between Bigfoot and Sasquatch?

[morphal]

Another Swerdlow reference to bears and Sasquatch from the book Blue Blood True Blood:



Another related quote:

Very interesting. Thank you. Have you heard of Ted Owens? It seems that people who are in contact with space intelligences (his term) also encounter bigfoot?

Big Foot (Sasquatch, windigo) -- Ted Owens said that such creatures were used by "Space Intelligences" to perform tasks and were like pets to them. (Not unlike how humans utilize horses and hunting dogs.)

Space Intelligences-- (or Saucer Intelligences or SI's ) Ted Owens' terms . His life is one of the most amazing (and well documented) UFO interactions that I know of. His rare book is reproduced here.
http://www.thejinn.net/jinn-candidates.htm

Ted Owens PK MAN
http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/ted-owens-pk-man.html

[morphal]

Joan Ocean talks about things like this on her page that I linked to; the interdimensional nature of Sasquatch encounters.

Do you draw a distinction between Bigfoot and Sasquatch?

I actually don't know. I am not informed on this subject. When I came to this thread I was thinking Bigfoot was kind of like an ape-man and Sasquatch was a big white guy like Yeti and perhaps with this bear connection, first I've heard of it. But based on metacomet's picture of the big black being identified as Bigfoot, I'm not sure what the distinction is.

[supertzar]

Very interesting. Thank you. Have you heard of Ted Owens? It seems that people who are in contact with space intelligences (his term) also encounter bigfoot?


http://www.thejinn.net/jinn-candidates.htm

Ted Owens PK MAN
http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/06/ted-owens-pk-man.html

Ted Owens sounds familiar. I'll check that out. More related Swerdlow info:

Bigfoot is a leftover from the days of Atlantean experimentaion. However, 3-toed Bigfoot is of an alien origin and is dropped off and picked up by discs.

[morphal]

Ted Owens sounds familiar. I'll check that out. More related Swerdlow info:

well this is interesting. I have seen some very strange UFOs in my life. Many strange experiences... so it kind of adds up that they would put this Bigfoot in my path for some reason.

I guess I'll try not to be scared when I walk by there any more and think of it like that Montauk tribe, where perhaps I can get in touch with the Bear/Bigfoot frequency for information. It did have a very ominous and dangerous sense to it... but... also seems kind of playful and strange for it to encounter me like that.

The other bizarre thing is... I've had the strong sense of guidance from space intelligences in the last 3 weeks. Sounds crazy. But I've come across information I never should have known unless it was directed to me, drip and trickle, day by day, that is changing my understanding of everyting. It was a bit like how Icke described the process of synchronicity when you're being led along a trail of information. There's more to it and I guess I'm going to start a thread where I can go into it more - I had some visions - I've been scattering info in bits and pieces everywhere which is why I know I've got to start a thread.

[morphal]

UFOs aren't extraterrestrial -- They're extradimensional.




How to Contact Space People

by Ted Owens

A rare book printed by Saucerian Press in 1969



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Many people who investigated Ted Owens testified that he could predict and control lightning, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanoes. He claimed he was in telepathic contact with other dimensional beings he called Space Intelligences (SIs) who trained him since early childhood to be able to communicate with them and co- create tremendous large scale psychokinetic effects. Owens claims that he was not aware, at the time, that he was being trained. He was adept at predicting UFO phenomena. Parapsychologist Jeffrey Mishlove wrote a case-study book about him, The PK Man: A True Story of Mind Over Matter.
Ted Owens could be the greatest parapsychological find in history. He performed about 200 "miracles" in association with the SI's. He also had what many might describe as criminal tendencies. He could retaliate and showed little remorse for the destruction unleashed by his thunderstorms, plane crashes, power outages, hurricanes and other disasters. He considered himself to be the "Earth ambassador of UFO intelligences" and compared himself to Moses, whom he said also worked with the SIs.

Many people have considered him to be delusional, probably, in part, because his demonstrations comprise a horrifying testimony to the apocalyptic power of these Space Intelligences. Ted said, however, that the SI's required human cooperation to unleash these effects in the human world, otherwise it was considered a criminal act in their dimension. Ted supplied the necessary human consent and active participation.

He also said that it was extremely rare for the SIs to find a human brain which they could train to withstand the effects of communicating directly with them -- that this type of interaction was eventually fatal to most human nervous systems.

http://www.thejinn.net/ted_owens.htm

FULL BOOK HERE - I've just found this when I got the excerpt for the post on Owens and am going to read it now! So glad to have found it!

[morphal]

From the book - one of the UFOs that was involved with Owens 'miracles' sounds a lot like an extrardinary group of UFOs I had seen in the 90s in Arizona - the changing of colors - to me this indicates frequency manipulation, especially in the context of the occurrence being described here, changing the south pole:

From the Antarctic Thursday came official reports that a mysterious lens-shaped flying object, maneuvering and moving at great speed, was sighted last Saturday. A Chilean base commander in the Antarctic reported the object was "yellowish red, changing to green, yellow and orange".

In Buenos Aires, the Navy issued a communique saying personnel at Argentina's Antarctic base saw the flying object and photographed it. Mario J. Berrero, commander of the Chilean base, told the Defense Ministry by radio that it would be too much to say that all of us saw a flying saucer, one of those science-fiction things. However," he continued, "it was something real, an object that moved at amazing speed, maneuvered quickly, and gave off a blue-green sheen. It also caused interference in the electromagnetic apparatus of an Argentine base which is facing ours on a nearby small island." The interference was confirmed by the Navy communique issued in Buenos Aires. "The object was yellowish red," Berrero said, "changing to green, yellow and orange. It would zigzag quickly. Then it stopped and we promptly reached for field glasses, telescopes, anything at hand to sight it. We watched as it remained quietly there for about 20 minutes."

http://www.thejinn.net/chapter_two_the_ufo_intelligence.htm

[morphal]

So I'm posting a bit more about Space Intelligence and the Bigfoot connection comes into play, in my new thread (sig file). I noticed that in Owens' book it also described a similar black creature - the witness made sure to say - it wasn't a bear - which seems to indicate that it was similar in appearance to a bear in some way as well.

I'm really interested in discussing and researching this more, in this thread and/or my own. Superstarz, you seem to be well-read and I'll be visiting your links and watching your research, thanks for the insight so far ;)

BTW - metacomet - if you see this - I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to post that pic you have of the big black Bigfoot from your latest post, in my new thread? Or, maybe I'll figure out a way to copy it and edit this out later.

Thanks...

[armoured_amazon]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

Heh, it walks funny, like it doesn't put its heels down first, or something.

Good for you, but I wonder how many other people will see through this emotional manipulation.

If you found a real Bigfoot body today what would you do? I'd hesitate to go public with it, but before this Georgia farce I'd shout it from every rooftop! My point is: Did "someone" pay Whitton and Dyer to pull this stunt?:confused:;)

I wouldn't tell anyone. :)

[supertzar]

Heh, it walks funny, like it doesn't put its heels down first, or something.

She might be walking on something like some branches or rocks. It looks like some rugged terrain. I think the film is probably genuine less than I used to. The heel might be sticking out too far in the back.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[royq]

What do you think about this site? It's too good to be true, but I'm sure stranger things have happened. To tie it in with my original post she refers to the friendship between Sasquatch and bears.

http://www.joanocean.com/sasquatch.html

I don't see stranger things happening EVER

Did you know that Sasquatch can:
Read
Write
Shape-shift
Project Their Voice
Create Infrasound that affects the environment
De-materialize at will, or cause you to have an experience of lost time so you think they de-materialized.
Travel 300 miles a day on foot.
Live in well-lighted underground facilities
Contact and live with Star People
Tell us about our past and our future.
Have lived here longer than the human race.
Come on now...

[supertzar]

I don't see stranger things happening EVER



How much in this universe have you seen? Expressed as a percentage. Lol!

[royq]

How much in this universe have you seen? Expressed as a percentage. Lol!

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But that's just about the same for anyone.

Realistically, more 0s.
But I don't see these beasts being able to talk to star people and such

Far-fetched, a fool would believe this.

[supertzar]

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But that's just about the same for anyone.

Realistically, more 0s.
But I don't see these beasts being able to talk to star people and such

Far-fetched, a fool would believe this.

Of course you are right that it would be foolish to believe it, but how do you know it is wise to disbelieve it?

[royq]

Of course you are right that it would be foolish to believe it, but how do you know it is wise to disbelieve it?

I don't, but there is more evidence leading to disbelieve it than there is to believe.

[metacomet]

BTW - metacomet - if you see this - I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to post that pic you have of the big black Bigfoot from your latest post, in my new thread?

Sure, on my way... you mean this photo?

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/1/12/12/f_om4odofo1xim_7c0dda7.jpg

Chattanova actually posted it first :)

Sounds like you had a legitimate encounter by the way. Bears make tons of noise just walking through the brush... bigfeet on the other hand are deadly quiet.

*edit*

Hmm... which new thread you referring to?

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Sure, on my way... you mean this photo?

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/1/12/12/f_om4odofo1xim_7c0dda7.jpg

Chattanova actually posted it first :)

Sounds like you had a legitimate encounter by the way. Bears make tons of noise just walking through the brush... bigfeet on the other hand are deadly quiet.

*edit*

Hmm... which new thread you referring to?

Thanks so much MC. That's the photo. The thread should be in my sig below... I appreciate it!

[royq]

Sure, on my way... you mean this photo?

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/1/12/12/f_om4odofo1xim_7c0dda7.jpg

Chattanova actually posted it first :)

Sounds like you had a legitimate encounter by the way. Bears make tons of noise just walking through the brush... bigfeet on the other hand are deadly quiet.

*edit*

Hmm... which new thread you referring to?

Hello Man-In-A-Suit:cool:

[morphal]

Maybe a man in a suit, but if it is, it's a good imitation and looks just like the real thing.

[chica314]

I don't think Sasquatch is a Bear-Person for several reason; however I do know that Native Americans believed that Bears were their "brothers" and very close in relation to human beings, because they could walk upright. I think it's possible that there's another Bear-Person being aside from Sasquatch that exists as well.

Here are the reasons I don't think Sasquatch is part Bear: there is a lack of claw marks in footprints; the Sasquatch (at least in the Patterson film) appears to have a more human face, nothing resembling a bear; Bears can only walk upright for a very short period of time, Sasquatch seems to predominantly walk upright at all times and has long front limbs like an ape; bears have front limbs that resemble their back legs rather than arms.

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Came across this interesting read on the Phil Schneider website. Phil Schneider, along with friend Ron Rummel, published these periodicals until Rummel was murdered on August 6, 1993, they were called the "Alien digest", this excerpt spoke of the origins of the Bigfoot legend in Northern California, I found it to be very interesting...check it out:

In 1797, As Andros Los Cavallos, a
Spanish trapper and Historian who
explored Northern California said in
his logs that he and another Indian
trapper saw a "Fiery Dish" crash into
the side of a mountain at a high rate
of speed and explode. Just a few
years later in the early 1800s, in the
California-Oregon area Bigfoot type
creatures started to show up with 18
inch footprints.

Check the link out for more great information http://www.philschneider.org/articles/Alien%20Digest%20vol%202%20of%204%20-%20ocr-v-0.11.pdf