Plans for Secret Speed Cameras

[outelligent]

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/oct2009/2/4/sm-image-4-818090912.jpg

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/18/camouflaged-115875-21755159/

According to motor magazine Auto Plus, the French government intends to introduce the cameras within a year... and the UK is likely to follow within months.

[kde_]

They don't look that secret...

[wispa]

That looks like something out of a futuristic film. :eek:

[the white knight]

Fucking governments there the same the world over in 20 years time we will be telling all our gran kids of the good old days when there were no speed cameras and CCTV in are streets.

[decim]

One day, these will be the 'good' old days.

[the nine]

they have to have the yellow painted surrounds or it is entrapment..so the french can have what they like..we wont!


:)

[outelligent]

they have to have the yellow painted surrounds or it is entrapment..so the french can have what they like..we wont!


:)

"The regulations were relaxed in April but not very well reported."

"safety" cameras, as the Government calls them, no longer have to be painted yellow, and no longer have to be sited only where there is a history of road accidents.


This is EXACTLY what David talks about as the "stepping stone method"
it's done by backhanding certain MP's to pass legislation and move towards the bigger plan.

sadly from what I can see it looks like we will have them...

[the nine]

The regulations were relaxed in April but not very well reported.



This is EXACTLY what David talks about as the "stepping stone method"
it's done by backhanding certain MP's to pass legislation and move towards the bigger plan.

sadly from what I can see it looks like we will have them...

thanks, but can you show a source please..as the law has precidents, and if 1 person has been acquited then for someone else to be found guilty of the same thing would be a travesty..surely.

even the mobile cams have the yellow backgrounds these days..why, if the law has been changed?

[outelligent]

thanks, but can you show a source please..as the law has precidents, and if 1 person has been acquited then for someone else to be found guilty of the same thing would be a travesty..surely.

even the mobile cams have the yellow backgrounds these days..why, if the law has been changed?
Please see;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/2749315/Speed-camera-rules-change-as-quick-as-a-flash.html

I Have just read trough this and it seems
The Telegraph pick up the change in November 2007 and the regulation were change before that in April so that just goes to show how under reported this was.

The guidelines still state that cameras should be painted yellow and most cameras are but not all.

[the nine]

Please see;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/2749315/Speed-camera-rules-change-as-quick-as-a-flash.html

I Have just read trough this and it seems
The Telegraph pick up the change in November 2007 and the regulation were change before that in April so that just goes to show how under reported this was.

The guidelines still state that cameras should be painted yellow and most cameras are but not all.

thanks for the link..
seems like they can change the rules on a whim nowadays..

Meredydd Hughes, head of Roads Policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers (who appeared in court this week after being flashed by a speed camera doing 90mph in a 60mph zone), told a national newspaper in June that covert speed cameras would help cut road casualties, and when the proposal to deregulate speed cameras was first aired, Lee Murphy, speed camera manager for Cheshire, said: "If the rules weren't compulsory, we could use cameras to tackle emerging trends rather than waiting for the minimum number of collisions."
its almost like this twat was sacrificing 3 points and a fine to ensure safety cameras in that area..
when these cameras inflate the price of property, most home owners will crave them, and the rothschilde bank or jp morgan will no doubt collect the revenue:mad:

[anyuser]

College Station to vote on red-light cameras: Number of accidents reduced
http://www.theeagle.com/columnists/College-Station-to-vote-on-red-light-cameras--Number-of-acciden

This Nov. 3, College Station will be voting on whether to keep our red-light safety program, a program I support because it is a valuable and lawful tool to keep all of us, including our students, safer.

Unfortunately, some of the criticism that brought this issue to reconsideration is not based on fact.

As a former mayor of College Station, I would feel more confident of the election results if the city's voters had all of the correct information before making their decision on whether to keep this valuable addition to our city's public safety program.

Critics suggest that the program is unconstitutional as it does not provide for an appeal process once a citation is issued. In addition, they are concerned about the revenue it provides for the city.

A study by the Texas Traffic Institute reported decreases in accidents at intersections with red-light cameras. Most importantly, voters need to understand that besides reducing red-light crashes, red-light camera citations can be appealed just like other citations issued from our city's enforcement programs, such as parking violations and speeding tickets.

Chapter 10 of the city ordinance clearly sets out the procedures for red-light camera violations, which includes notice of the citation, instructions on how to request a hearing and how to appeal any final determination of guilt based on the majority of the evidence.

Before a ticket is issued to a suspected violator, the pictures of the suspected violation is reviewed several times, including a review by a College Station police officer. If the officer determines there is a violation, a ticket is issued.

Once a violator receives a ticket in the mail, he or she is afforded an opportunity to contest the ticket in an administrative hearing and must do so in writing within 30 days. If the administrative hearing officer determines there is a violation, a hearing will be scheduled and the evidence will be considered at the appointed time.

Failure to contest the citation within 30 days is treated as an admission of guilt and only that waives the right to appeal.

In addition to the right to a hearing and appeal, the city has clearly defined defensible arguments that can be made to appeal a red-light camera issued citation. During the hearing and appeal phases, all of the following can be considered as defensible arguments for why a red-light violation occurred:

* The traffic signal was not in proper position and sufficiently visible.

* The vehicle driver was adhering to instructions provided by a police officer.

* The driver was yielding properly to an emergency vehicle.

* The vehicle was stolen.

* The license plates shown on the vehicle were stolen.

* Dangerous road conditions, such as ice, warranted the violation.

All are reasonable defenses to a red-light camera citation and document the city's constitutionally protected due process requirements and protection of individual rights.

The issue of revenue for the city from our red-light safety program can be a touchy one, as well. This is understandable, but again the facts are clear.

All of the funds received through the enforcement of the city's program are clearly designated within the city ordinances and state law. After deducting costs associated with the implementation of the program, which is limited to equipment and personnel time, the remaining funds are split between the state of Texas for distribution to regional trauma centers and the city for dedicated use in other traffic-safety programs. The city cannot use these funds to supplement its general fund balance.

Each summer and fall, we welcome new students into Aggieland. These students may be unfamiliar with our roads, so we need to use all means available at our disposal to encourage good driving behavior.

College Station has become a wonderful place to live due to its relationship with the university, but also for the respect it shows its students. I can't think of a greater sign of this respect than to make sure our students and their parents know we are doing all that we can to keep our roads safer during their time here with us.

For this reason and for those outlined above, College Station residents should join me in voting against city Proposition 1. Let's keep our red-light camera safety program. Please vote against city Proposition 1 on Nov. 3.

* Larry Ringer served as mayor of College Station from 1986-1996. For more information, visit www.keepcollegestationsafe.com.


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Letters for October 14

Red-light cameras hurt public safety in CS
http://www.theeagle.com/letters/Letters-for-October-14

Some of us originally liked the idea of red-light cameras, until we learned of the unethical and ineffective way in which they are used, and of the despicable tactics of the Arizona company which profits from their use.

We would like to suggest that, after the cameras have been removed, the College Station City Council appoint a blue ribbon panel to study how traffic management and traffic-law enforcement can make our streets as safe as possible with the available personnel.

There has been an enormous increase in the number of traffic tickets given. For example, the number of tickets for August 2009 is more than three times the number for August 2008.

At Texas Avenue at George Bush Drive, for eastbound traffic, more than 95 percent of the tickets issued through the red-light cameras were for right turns at speeds that could range down to 1 mph.

Some police officers seem to display less courtesy and common sense than we are used to seeing.

As the police turn their attention to giving lots of tickets for minor infractions at quiet intersections, they are not out there where the action really is, and where people are really having accidents and being injured. It appears that, within the past couple of years, the policy has shifted from protecting the public safety to using traffic tickets as a form of taxation that does not have to be authorized by the voters. The red-light cameras are a part of this same policy.

With limited resources, the city has to choose one priority. If it chooses revenue, the police will continue to pursue lots of easy tickets. If it chooses safety, it will put these officers where they will do the most good. We believe it is clear which is the better priority.

ROLAND and SUSAN ALLEN

College Station

Don't give CS a chance to expand police state

The flier I received from "Keep College Station Safe PAC" appears to be correct. The red-light cameras do reduce red-light running. I would not argue with any of supporters' points. But do you want your city to be a police state?

Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean it has to be enforced to the nth degree. And what can be said for a community that derives significant revenue from tickets?

I can drive relaxed in Bryan, but just the opposite is true in College Station. I got caught by the red-light camera for failing to come to a complete stop before making a right turn. It cost me only $75, but I got in early -- the price will go up.

The red-light cameras are just the beginning. For the future, I see surveillance cameras being used to check your speed, whether you have an expired inspection sticker -- you name it. George Orwell, in his book 1984, had big brother watching through your TV screen.

On Nov. 3, you can vote to ban the red-light cameras. Do it. If we fail to ban the red-light cameras, we're giving the city a green-light to further expand the police state.

RUSSELL YATES

College Station

Nothing wrong with a peaceful Obama protest

In regards to Richard Reiser's letter (Eagle, Oct. 9), I, too, am a former Aggie cadet. I am a National Guard lieutenant and I hope to finally graduate this December.

When President Barack Obama comes to town, I plan to send my commander in chief a message via one of the oldest and most sacred devices of American political debate: the simple protest sign. I work for the man and will follow any constitutional order he gives me, but my respect for him does not limit my ability as an American citizen to engage in honest, respectful political debate.

Perhaps Reiser is mistaking legitimate opposition to our president's policies as disrespect -- one of many common errors our left-coasters make.

[outelligent]

26/12/09

Motorists face a new speed-camera blitz under Government plans to widen the use of 20mph limits.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/16/article-0-02C12AF3000004B0-15_468x286.jpg


The new 'no-humps' schemes are likely to be enforced by 'average speed' cameras, which are cheaper for councils to use.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236385/Many-speed-limits-slashed-20mph-dramatic-plan-widen-use-lower-limits.html#ixzz0aniykUNI


The old ones measure vehicles’ speed between two points as they are only linked in pairs. But the new ones allow many to be linked together to create speed control zones in which vehicles are constantly monitored.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/December/dec2109-bike-average-speed-cameras-approved/?R=EPI-120973

[ginger_wizard]

I predict a sharp rise in the sales of Stihl Saws for 2010 ;)

[bettyboo]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/district/eastleigh/4823432.Residents_woke_in_terror_after_speed_camer a_was_destroyed/

It made me smile. :D

[oioioi]

One day, these will be the 'good' old days.

Gogol Bordello - Ultimate - YouTube

"There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow
it's a stupid thing we say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow"

[hold_that_thought]

they have to have the yellow painted surrounds or it is entrapment..so the french can have what they like..we wont!


:)

Hmmmm, I thought paying a speeding fine was optional?

The French police are notoriously corrupt however..they'll glibbly allow a French tractor shoot a stop sign, yet pull a GB plated vehicle for edging forward at a junction to get a better view of the road.

I have mixed feelings about speed cameras..I believe they're being used extensively just as the councils money box and have little to do with 'safety'..YET...I have no problems with enforcing a 20mph in a housing estate..Lets face it, a lot of drivers shouldn't be allowed near a vehicle, but I do believe bad driving kills, not speed, although speeding may contribute in some cases.

[wakeup2nwo]

in a years time there might not be many cars on the road anyways. if oil prices continue to rise and the dollar falls or the next stage of the greatest depression takes place then this story will be no interest to most of us unemployed car-less humans :D im trying to enjoy driving as much as i can right now because i know its gonna be hard to keep a car running in the future, when peoples cars need fixing and they dont have a job anymore, how are they going to fix it? there not :( only the rich will have to worry about speed cameras...:mad:

[cpfc12]

thanks for the link..
seems like they can change the rules on a whim nowadays..

its almost like this twat was sacrificing 3 points and a fine to ensure safety cameras in that area..
when these cameras inflate the price of property, most home owners will crave them, and the rothschilde bank or jp morgan will no doubt collect the revenue:mad:

to be honest most cops speifically traffic cops hate speed cameras, as it means less humans are needed when you have cameras which are cheaper and bring in more money. As lets face local government would more likely put up a £2000 pound camera than paying £26 000 for a Pc

Ironic how it isn't an opinion or point of view put out by the daily mail or guardian much ^^