Getting energy from water, goodbye gas

[startzpe]

If anyone here has heard of Stan Meyers, I believe his patent has expired on the technology he has researched on powering our civilisation with water. Using some form advanced electrolysis he supposedly came up with a way to shake the hydrogen from water using much less energy in than out. He could use it on salt water as well.

Anyway there's been allot of research going on since. Plenty of people going on youtube replicating his research. It is getting me exited, I would love to see oil disappear as a form of control.

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a little wiki

The water fuel cell, named by American Stanley Meyer, is a device designed to convert water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen (2H2O → 2H2 + O2). The Water Fuel Cell is designed to utilize less energy to break molecular bonds than the quantity capable of being recovered by combustion of the product hydrogen and oxygen gases; the validity of the design is controversial. The water fuel cell is claimed to be able to produce several times more energy than it consumes; the source of this addition energy has not been scientifically identified therefore the theory is treated with skepticism. In practice, an engine would be connected to the output of a water fuel cell and through the combustion process convert the hydrogen back into water (2H2 + O2 → 2H2O), which can then be vented to the fuel tank (containing water) [1]; such a practice conforms to the parameters of perpetual motion, hence conclusive scientific investigation would either verify violation of thermodynamic law or identify the source of claimed additional energy. At least one car prototype, reportedly powered by a water fuel cell, has been assembled.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell


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a couple of youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgOn1kRw5s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7BAODqqcpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfiAXIs3Xc

[startzpe]

allot of people are researching this right now, and getting some results


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,8.0.html

some video of the results

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyfwWuA9gA

[startzpe]

Yoshiro Nakamatsu’s Enerex Water Engine Patent

another scientist has a water powered patent

http://www.skilluminati.com/img/nakamats_patent.jpg

http://www.skilluminati.com/img/nakamats_patent2.jpg

http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/yoshiro_nakamatsus_enerex_water_engine_patent/

Of course, even free spirits can only go so far. Nakamatsu has more than a few inventions which will probably never get the attention and investment they deserve, not least of which is the Nostradamvs II Engine, which “can run with just water, so there is no pollution at all.” Coming never to a car dealership near you!

The Nakamatsu water engine is a curious little rabbit hole. It’s also been patented under the name Enerex, and a search for that yields paranoid gems like this one:

NO SCIENCE BACKGROUND IS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE ABSOLULTELY OBVIOUS REALITY OF THE WATER POWERED ENGINE invented by the greatest inventor alive today (Dr. Nakamatsu) who is thoroughly documented! Doesn’t it seem at least a little SUSPICIOUS that a scientist as great as Dr. Nakamatsu is practically unknown in America?

Well...there’s a great deal that Americans don’t know about, Bubba. However, a highly efficient, non-polluting engine that invented 17 years ago and still hasn’t seen any production is a very strange thing.

Yoshiro Nakamatsu, in nearly every article about him I could find, is listed as the inventor of CDs, floppy disks, and digital watches. Curiously, Wiki makes no mention of Nakamatsu whatsoever. Of course, here in the United States, most of this history books have some downright hilarious passages on “electricity” which make no mention of Nikola Tesla whatsoever.

There’s no disputing that when Nakamatsu makes claims about being a great inventor, the numbers back him up. Thomas Edison, the most prolific inventor in US history, died with 1,093 patents. Nakamatsu, as of 2003, had 3,128.

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cool tidbit on how to get good ideas

Yoshiro Nakamatsu, We Salute You


Inventing is a Dangerous Business

What really sold me on Dr. Nakamats was when I came across the following passage from some German interview. The question was one the author has probably asked hundreds of times—“so, where do you get your ideas?”—and Nakamatsu has the last answer anyone but him would ever suspect:

Is there a secret to becoming an inventor? How do you come up with new ideas?

I am teaching philosophy at the University of Tokyo. The base for everything is a strong spirit, followed by a strong body, hard studies, experience and finally leads to a “trigger” experience. You “trigger” a bullet which contains spirit, body, study and experience - and finally that releases the actual invention.

How do you “trigger” an invention?

A lack of oxygen is very important.

A lack? Isn’t that dangerous?

It’s very dangerous. I get that Flash just 0.5 sec before death. I remain under the surface until this trigger comes up and I write it down with a special waterproof plexiglas writing pad I invented.

Do you do that a lot? Putting yourself in that kind of situation to come up with a new invention?

Of course. This is the Dr. Nakamatsu method.

Self-Made Madman

The key to successful innovation, according to Nakamatsu, is “freedom of intelligence.” By this he means working with no strings attached. Nakamatsu says he has never sought funding from any person, company or government and prefers to develop and produce his own inventions. “If you ask or borrow money from other people, you cannot keep freedom of intelligence,” he says simply.

----from this Engology.com article.

[Dr Nakamatsu Nostradamvs Engine II] Of course, even free spirits can only go so far. Nakamatsu has more than a few inventions which will probably never get the attention and investment they deserve, not least of which is the Nostradamvs IIEngine, which “can run with just water, so there is no pollution at all.” Coming never to a car dealership near you!

The Nakamatsu water engine is a curious little rabbit hole. It’s also been patented under the name Enerex, and a search for that yields paranoid gems like this one:

NO SCIENCE BACKGROUND IS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE ABSOLULTELY OBVIOUS REALITY OF THE WATER POWERED ENGINE invented by the greatest inventor alive today (Dr. Nakamatsu) who is thoroughly documented! Doesn’t it seem at least a little SUSPICIOUS that a scientist as great as Dr. Nakamatsu is practically unknown in America?

Well...there’s a great deal that Americans don’t know about, Bubba. However, a highly efficient, non-polluting engine that invented 17 years ago and still hasn’t seen any production is a very strange thing.


http://www.brainsturbator.com/site/comments/yoshiro_nakamatsu_we_salute_you/

[startzpe]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NjuyqjXbHKw

Dr nakamats (inventor of the floppy disc), and try out some of his more insane inventions....Adam Buxton Joe Cornish Tokyo Japan Dr Nakamats

[pedsi]

Regarding water fuel technology try searching on google for "browns gas",the uses for this stuff will amaze you...I think the chinese use it on their submarines to treat nuclear waste.

[albie]

In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. According to The Times, Meyer claimed in court that his invention "opened the way for a car which would 'run on water', powered simply by a car battery."[1] The car would even run perpetually without fuel since the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was low enough for the engine's dynamo to recharge the car's battery.[1] His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[1] The Water Fuel Cell, on the other hand, was examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis".[1]




On the basis of the evidence the court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay the investors their $25,000.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

A little more wiki...that you didn't mention.

[homebrew1973]

I`ve seen it done, albeit on a small scale, at the Alternative Technology Centre in Hebden Bridge.

And the basic materials being used... was like something from Blue Peter 25 years ago, but it worked :)

[kadamose]

I won't go into too much detail, but Stan Meyers invention actually extracts the hydrogen from the water by using electrolysis and SOUND FREQUENCY - EVERYTHING in this universe has a certain frequency to it, and if you counter that frequency it will begin to resonate which will allow you to change matter and energy to your liking.

Sound is everything.

[h2pogo]

I have been playing around with electrolosis for some time now and have made some progress.still havent got a ressonating circuit together,although working on one.but by using straight 12v dc running the fuel cell with petrol or lpg[can be done with diesel also] have got a %10 increase in mpg.
stan meyers never claimed to run his car on the fuel cell alone he invented an injector which took the gas and water vapor and changed its atomic structure as it was inducted into the engine.
when i make more progress have more time i will post my results.

[cruise4]

"EVERYTHING in this universe has a certain frequency to it, and if you counter that frequency it will begin to resonate which will allow you to change matter and energy to your liking.

Sound is everything."

Nice. More information about this aspect is needed if anyone has any or links etc.

[h2pogo]

here are some links to stan meyers injector http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/883/Stanley_Meyer___Water_Fuel_Injector/

http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/2067735.htm

may i stress the injector is the triky bit,as is the resonant frequency.many people have made water fuel cells but without the right resonance theyre not efficiant.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_happened_to_stanley_meyers_water_fuel_cell_in jector

[icke_is_right]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24390

I've been very interested in this subject, here is the link to H2 stuff I posted. I thread died almost immediatedly. These links were more about what 'is' happening more than stuff that 'could' be true.

The possiblilities with this simple technology are astounding.

Just come across these stirling engines:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1xacAu4jA

See possibilities for more or these in hot countries when it's said electrolysis is cost prohibitive, however new technology could increase the power output of such systems:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6616651.stm

[Anders Lindman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

A little more wiki...that you didn't mention.

"On the basis of the evidence the court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay the investors their $25,000."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

The reference however is vague:

Edwards, Tony. "End of road for car that ran on Water", The Sunday Times, Times Newspapers Limited, 1996-12-01, p. Features 12. Retrieved on 2007-05-16.


It would be better to have a reference to a more direct source. Plus, I couldn't find the Sunday Times article on the web. Not so strange perhaps since the article is from 1996, but still, I would like to have a more certain source.

[majicdragon]

"EVERYTHING in this universe has a certain frequency to it, and if you counter that frequency it will begin to resonate which will allow you to change matter and energy to your liking.

Sound is everything."

Nice. More information about this aspect is needed if anyone has any or links etc.

Can you tell me the sound that will make me a million dollars?

[Anders Lindman]

Can you tell me the sound that will make me a million dollars?

Ask Britney Spears. She can do that. ;)

[Anders Lindman]

"On the basis of the evidence the court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay the investors their $25,000."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

The reference however is vague:

Edwards, Tony. "End of road for car that ran on Water", The Sunday Times, Times Newspapers Limited, 1996-12-01, p. Features 12. Retrieved on 2007-05-16.


It would be better to have a reference to a more direct source. Plus, I couldn't find the Sunday Times article on the web. Not so strange perhaps since the article is from 1996, but still, I would like to have a more certain source.

I did find this:

"Judge Corzine denied WFC's request for a new trial on 3 September 1996. His judgement, on the same date, found WFC guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" with punitive damages of $1"

From: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/paulkemble/stan3.html

Not a very solid source it seems, but probably Meyer was found guilty as the text says, although I'm still not sure that Meyer's water fuel technology was a fraud. In a news clip they said that the Pentagon had been interested in the technology. :confused:

[3stepsahead]

sure lets destroy our water supply so that everyone can go back to their nwocontrolled life
makes perfect sence

[Anders Lindman]

sure lets destroy our water supply so that everyone can go back to their nwocontrolled life
makes perfect sence

Stanley Meyer said that his water fuel technology could run on any water, including salt water. That technology could be used to produce clean water for the whole world, and could be used in cars etc. He could have been a con man, but I'm not sure.

[h2pogo]

I did find this:

"Judge Corzine denied WFC's request for a new trial on 3 September 1996. His judgement, on the same date, found WFC guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" with punitive damages of $1"

From: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/paulkemble/stan3.html

Not a very solid source it seems, but probably Meyer was found guilty as the text says, although I'm still not sure that Meyer's water fuel technology was a fraud. In a news clip they said that the Pentagon had been interested in the technology. :confused:

no wonder no one can find the sundaytimes article,allegedly it was writen by the same man that sabbotaged his work the night before his demonstration.

[Anders Lindman]

no wonder no one can find the sundaytimes article,allegedly it was writen by the same man that sabbotaged his work the night before his demonstration.

:eek: I didn't know that. I haven't research Meyer's invention much. But it seems to me that it could be possible to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water in an efficient way. I think that the water fuel technology could very well be real.

[3stepsahead]

Stanley Meyer said that his water fuel technology could run on any water, including salt water. That technology could be used to produce clean water for the whole world, and could be used in cars etc. He could have been a con man, but I'm not sure.

well if you are to use any water and generally pick the atoms apart it would not be water anymore... hence a LOT of water would vanish to fuel a whole world of transpotation. (ive recently made a really unpop post about how water already seems to vansih :)
however i do like the idea its very innovative.
but a emissions free, reproductable combustion method would be far more needed imo.

[Anders Lindman]

well if you are to use any water and generally pick the atoms apart it would not be water anymore... hence a LOT of water would vanish to fuel a whole world of transpotation. (ive recently made a really unpop post about how water already seems to vansih :)
however i do like the idea its very innovative.
but a emissions free, reproductable combustion method would be far more needed imo.

When burning hydrogen and oxygen you get..........water! So the water is not destroyed/consumed.

[niftygifter]

Stan Meyers technology is about to return:D:D

http://blog.waterforfuel.com/


Nifty:cool:

[Anders Lindman]

Stan Meyers technology is about to return:D:D

http://blog.waterforfuel.com/


Nifty:cool:

That looks more like Denny Klein's HHO invention (although it could be similar to Meyer's).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-Ci459kA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YYUOx6fBU

[h2pogo]

Stan Meyers technology is about to return:D:D

http://blog.waterforfuel.com/


Nifty:cool:

Thanks for that link.That is the closest i have seen of a replication of the injector, good luck to em

[niftygifter]

That looks more like Denny Klein's HHO invention (although it could be similar to Meyer's).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-Ci459kA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YYUOx6fBU

Well your hero here "Kevin" has actually been given Meyers patents from his brother, so watch this space. He is so near to completion.

Nifty:cool:

[mahabaratara]

Interesting...

;)

[synergy777]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7243247.stm

India's Tata backs air-power car
By Roger Harrabin

Environment analyst, BBC News

The Aircar can be filled with air in just three minutes

An engineer has promised that within a year he will start selling a car in India that runs on compressed air, producing no emissions at all in towns.

The OneCAT will be a five-seater with a glass fibre body, weighing just 350kg and could cost just over £2,500.

The project is being backed by the Indian conglomerate, Tata for an undisclosed sum. It says the technology may also be used for power generation.

The car will be driven by compressed air stored in carbon-fibre tanks.

The tanks, built into the chassis, can be filled with air from a compressor in just three minutes - much quicker than a battery car.

Alternatively, it can be plugged into the mains for four hours and an on-board compressor will do the job.

For long journeys the compressed air driving the pistons can be boosted by a fuel burner which heats the air so it expands and increases the pressure on the pistons. The burner will use all kinds of liquid fuel.

The designers say on long journeys the car will do the equivalent of 120mpg. In town, running on air, it will be cheaper than that.

Analysts say the fact that the project has the backing of an internationally well known company such as Tata makes the idea much more marketable.

The Indian company - which will put the finishing touches to the engine - says it is even considering using the technology for power generation.

Parts of the country are desperately short of electricity supplies. On Tuesday officials announced that Delhi and Moscow had finalised plans for Russia to build four new nuclear power stations in India.

Breakthrough

"The first buyers [of the compressed air car] will be people who care about the environment," says French inventor Guy Negre.

"It also has to be economical."

Mr Negre has been promising for more than a decade to be on the verge of a breakthrough.

The compressed air is stored in carbon-fibre tanks

Tata is the only big firm he'll license to sell the car - and they are limited to India. For the rest of the world he hopes to persuade hundreds of investors to set up their own factories, making the car from 80% locally-sourced materials.

"This will be a major saving in total emissions," he says.

"Imagine we will be able to save all those components travelling the world and all those transporters."

He wants each local factory to sell its own cars to cut out the middle man and he aims for 1% of global sales - about 680,000 per year.

Terry Spall from the Institution of Mechanical Engineers says: "I really hope he succeeds. It is a really brave experiment in producing a sustainable car."

But he said he was interested to see how the car would fare with safety tests and how much it would appeal to a public conditioned to expect luxury fittings adding to the weight of the vehicle.

Mr Negre says there's no issue with safety - if the air-car crashes the air tanks won't shatter - they will split with a very loud bang. "The biggest risk is to the ears."


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i await the new air compressed tata jaguar, a mix of indian and english, like myself, powered by hot air, lol