Sickening statue of Nelson Mandela

[brotherapostate]

How long do you think it will be until the UK makes it mandatory to fall down and worship at the feet of the statue of Nelson Mandela? Do people not realize anymore that he was the leader of a terrorist organization which bombed innocent people? Should we expect a similar statue of Gerry Adams in a few years time?

[reptilianshapeshifter]

I always thought it was funny in The Office where David Brent would always mention Nelson Mandella to anyone that would listen as if that was a poltically correct hero to admire. In at least one occasion someone interjected that he was also responsible for lots of civilian deaths and other misdemeanours :D classic comedy.

[spiraltrance]

Yesterday when I saw it on the news and all the politicians, journalists and community leaders grovelling over it I felt a bit sick.

For one I'm always skeptical of anyone the polticians and corporate media tell us we shoud idolise. And secondly the very same politicians/institutions would spit in the face of truly great people like jesus (and by jesus I dont mean the christain church) or the buddha if they were alive today.

Nelson Mandella was just a political activist not an englightened prodigy. As far as i'm concerned they can take there statues, lies and idol worship and fuck off.

[spiraltrance]

Forgot to add that the statue cost £400,000 of tax payers money.

[albie]

innocent people?

[brotherapostate]

Yes, innocent people. I'd say people who are not pushing the NWO are pretty innocent, wouldn't you?

[tinmenace]

Yes, innocent people. I'd say people who are not pushing the NWO are pretty innocent, wouldn't you?

Terrorism in any form is disgusting, but there are two sides to this story.

[synergy777]

terrorism is the war of the poor, war is the terrorism of the rich. i found his prisoner number evry interesting. at least he did some good, apartheid is evil, its still here, check palestine.

[brotherapostate]

Does anybody seriously believe that it is better in SA today than in the days of the Apartheid? lol.

I will never ever accept the killing of innocent civilians as a way to fight terrorism on the other side. That's lower than low. The people cannot help who rules their government, and don't start saying that they vote and pay taxes, because we all are forced to pay taxes and votes don't count for jack shit.

The price of living in some places costs an arm and a leg!

[tinmenace]

Does anybody seriously believe that it is better in SA today than in the days of the Apartheid? lol.

I will never ever accept the killing of innocent civilians as a way to fight terrorism on the other side. That's lower than low. The people cannot help who rules their government, and don't start saying that they vote and pay taxes, because we all are forced to pay taxes and votes don't count for jack shit.

The price of living in some places costs an arm and a leg!

No, none of it is ok at all, but one side played against the other through manipulation is common!

If we all realized that it's not about me against you, and instead it's us against them (loomies), then none of this would be happening. They have successfully divided us and are attempting to conquer us. If we perpetuate that mentality, they win.

[spiraltrance]

If we all realized that it's not about me against you, and instead it's us against them (loomies), then none of this would be happening. They have successfully divided us and are attempting to conquer us. If we perpetuate that mentality, they win.

Even if it's not 'me against you' and just 'us against them (loomies)' you are still divided and falling for the same trick. And that very division will keep you where you are.

[tinmenace]

Even if it's not 'me against you' and just 'us against them (loomies)' you are still divided and falling for the same trick. And that very division will keep you where you are.

What's the alternative?

[spiraltrance]

What's the alternative?

Raise your consciousness/vibration to the level where you are beyond duality then the illuminati can't touch you.

[tinmenace]

Raise your consciousness/vibration to the level where you are beyond duality then the illuminati can't touch you.

That's right.

But, it's not only about me. It's about many people around me too. Many people don't even understand that they shouldn't dislike Iranians/Jews/whatever, so what you've said (which is 100% accurate) is not even on most people's radar.

It's a path, and as you go along, you make quantum leaps in understanding. You can't get to step 7 before you've gone through the first six steps.

I just want to help people along, just like I appreciate being helped along by others.

Does that makes sense?

[spiraltrance]

That's right.

But, it's not only about me. It's about many people around me too. Many people don't even understand that they shouldn't dislike Iranians/Jews/whatever, so what you've said (which is 100% accurate) is not even on most people's radar.

It's a path, and as you go along, you make quantum leaps in understanding. You can't get to step 7 before you've gone through the first six steps.

I just want to help people along, just like I appreciate being helped along by others.

Does that makes sense?


Yes it does. But I think from shifting division or a focus of seperation from one group to another group doesn't really achieve much. It's been happening for thousands of years and has achieved nothing.

The true secrets to the illuminatis power is that they know how to exploit division and duality. As long as your mind is divided and awareness is dominated by linear thought (which creates division in itself) it creates a power vaccum for them to fill.

[tinmenace]

Yes it does. But I think from shifting division or a focus of seperation from one group to another group doesn't really achieve much. It's been happening for thousands of years and has achieved nothing.

The true secrets to the illuminatis power is that they know how to exploit division and duality. As long as your mind is divided and awareness is dominated by linear thought (which creates division in itself) it creates a power vaccum for them to fill.

And it's coming to an end. Finally! :)

[synergy777]

tim what uk/usa need to know is that, the hatred they have of us, is nothing compared to the global view of them. it may not be publically heard, but runs deep. the global majority detest english and americans. its just they are too clever to publicaly say this. just look at the rise of asia, latin america and their coperation. add in russia and africa, everyone can talk, but money talks louder.

when you see the sheep hating the arabs, blacks, mexcians, polish, german, etc, ask them, what do you think they think of you. the sheep don't care due to many reasons, science=history/indoctrination, dollar/money and empire/war. all three are collapsing. the anglo empire is the last days, like rome fell, this is falling. what people hate most is the loss of superiority, its stockholm syndrome. also, they have just realised, their emperor's clothes are just cheap knock offs, and made in asia, lol

[tinmenace]

tim what uk/usa need to know is that, the hatred they have of us, is nothing compared to the global view of them. it may not be publically heard, but runs deep. the global majority detest english and americans. its just they are too clever to publicaly say this. just look at the rise of asia, latin america and their coperation. add in russia and africa, everyone can talk, but money talks louder.

when you see the sheep hating the arabs, blacks, mexcians, polish, german, etc, ask them, what do you think they think of you. the sheep don't care due to many reasons, science=history/indoctrination, dollar/money and empire/war. all three are collapsing. the anglo empire is the last days, like rome fell, this is falling. what people hate most is the loss of superiority, its stockholm syndrome. also, they have just realised, their emperor's clothes are just cheap knock offs, and made in asia, lol

I know, but the sheep don't care. They're too arrogant. It's all going to change pretty soon.

[synergy777]

the thing is its gonna be hard, but necessary, when this truth is known, racism, will drop severely, the false grounds on which white supreamacy is built on, will be gone. it will be good for coloureds, but bad for white. however us who are informed, we know this anyway, but for the stormfront types, the look on the faces, priceless. it will actually help foster a climate of coperation/interdependance.

[mada88]

Throw hand grenades at school buses and they will give you a statue.

[hagbard_celine]

How long do you think it will be until the UK makes it mandatory to fall down and worship at the feet of the statue of Nelson Mandela? Do people not realize anymore that he was the leader of a terrorist organization which bombed innocent people? Should we expect a similar statue of Gerry Adams in a few years time?

Mandela's statue makes him look like he's got a hairnet on!:D

Gerry Adams is already seen as respectable and has been the guest of Bill Clinton and Louis Farrakan. He was at a bookshop near where I live a few years ago, signing copies of his autobiography as if butter wouldn't melt!

History has a habit of making heroes and villains out of people who may not necessarily deserve their characterization. Nelson Mandela, Mother Theresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Winston Churchill etc are so revered that in some quarters, criticizing them is unthinkiable and abhorant. Whereas to stick up for Adolf Hitler, Rasputin or Aleister Crowley can get you branded as equally evil as their own personas! The truth is, historical figures are just like anyone else: they do some good things and some bad things. They often get given credit for the virtue of other unknown individuals; and take the blame for the evil commited by rogues behind the scenes.

[brotherapostate]

Somehow aspects of this thread have evolved into a race issue. Some comments give the impression that only white people are racist, which is pretty laughable.

Let us exterminate white people

[hagbard_celine]

Somehow aspects of this thread have evolved into a race issue. Some comments give the impression that only white people are racist, which is pretty laughable.

Let us exterminate white people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyMsKKGgIYg)

Robert Mugabe is ceretainly a racist! He's made life a nightmare for white people in Zimbabwe. It's strange how oppressor and opressed so easily and seamlessly exchange roles in a never-ending cycle of discrimination, not just in Zimbabwe, but everywhere. First whites oppress blacks, the blacks get pissed off and rebel, then they take power and start oppressing whites, then the whites get pissed off and rebel, then they take power... etc etc etc:rolleyes:

It's the same with the 20th Century feminists who, quite rightly, stood up to the old male chauvanist society, but then when they'd had their reforms they suggested a new society where women ruled and men were second-class citzens just as women had been before! The only way out of this gridlock is to stand up against oppression without seeking revenge on those who formally oppressed you. (Most of them are not individually responsible anyway). Only then can the chain be broken.

[brotherapostate]

Good point. There just seems to be end to the cycle. The end will only come when the human race wakes up, but whilst David Icke may be right when he speaks of a new consciousness or new enlightened population, I just think that for every one of those, there are 5 more sheep born.

I have an excellent interview which took place on the Jeff Rense show concerning Zibabwe/Rhodesia. It is mentioned that Rhodesia was the jewel of Africa before Mugabe ransacked it. Of course, he was put there by Carter, but lets not mention any of that:rolleyes:

Another excellent interview was concerning South Africa and the state of affairs over there now. Ah Jeff Rense, well worth $3 to get into his archives. You wont here that on the BBC.

[spiraltrance]

The end will only come when the human race wakes up, but whilst David Icke may be right when he speaks of a new consciousness or new enlightened population, I just think that for every one of those, there are 5 more sheep born.

True but as the earths vibrations speed up the sheep (those of low vibration) are going to find it harder and harder to exist. The masses will have to change or face extinction.

[peachped]

Gordon Brown described Mandela as the “greatest and most courageous leader of our generation”.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy_files/image001.jpg

Brown and Mandela were meeting for private talks at No. 10 ahead of the unveiling on Wednesday of a statue to Mandela in London. In addition Brown is reported as saying to Mandela “I’m looking forward also to the statue being inaugurated in your honour in London.”

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy_files/image002.jpg

President PW Botha told
Mandela back in 1985, that he could be a free man, as long as he did one
thing: Publicly renounced violence. Mandela refused. And that is why
Mandela remained in prison until De Klerk freed him unconditionally. The
bottom line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence.

The NWO are really rubbing our noses in it.

[yinon]

Mandela's statue makes him look like he's got a hairnet on!:D

Gerry Adams is already seen as respectable and has been the guest of Bill Clinton and Louis Farrakan. He was at a bookshop near where I live a few years ago, signing copies of his autobiography as if butter wouldn't melt!

History has a habit of making heroes and villains out of people who may not necessarily deserve their characterization. Nelson Mandela, Mother Theresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Winston Churchill etc are so revered that in some quarters, criticizing them is unthinkiable and abhorant. Whereas to stick up for Adolf Hitler, Rasputin or Aleister Crowley can get you branded as equally evil as their own personas! The truth is, historical figures are just like anyone else: they do some good things and some bad things. They often get given credit for the virtue of other unknown individuals; and take the blame for the evil commited by rogues behind the scenes.


It is not how you make your message heard by the masses who seems to mark people but it's more about the cause you embrace. If you defend the widow and the orphan, you will be invited to the temple of celebrities.

What's the message behind all this? Care about the poorers or the victims. Help the weaker ones!

That's what Jesus done, Mother Teresa, Mandela....

Self-centered purpose are not popular

Bush defended the American supremacy... The guy cannot win with his cause!

[yinon]

Socialism is our future all!

To be love by others countries you must be Balance between relations with your neighbours and your material quest!!!

[albie]

Yes, innocent people. I'd say people who are not pushing the NWO are pretty innocent, wouldn't you?


What about the !" I don't like black people" thing.

Innocent?

[chris]

Does anybody seriously believe that it is better in SA today than in the days of the Apartheid? lol.

Apartheid is back and in the form of political correctness. It's so bad over there its worth understanding to see how it will get over here.

Over there its called Affirmative action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and is the end game plan when it comes to racism, big brother communism and multiculturalism and us white people are so monumentally stupid that we think are scared to be called racist when we speak out against this.

In South Africa the population should be over 15 million whites but thanks to Madella, it is only at 4 million. This is because they have either been driven out or have been made homeless and commit suicide with their children and families thanks to these racist policies.

[jinjo5]

Does anybody really need to have a statue made of themselves?
whatever theyve done,good,bad or indifferent.
Its idol worship,thats something im not into and i think the general
public couldnt give a monkey's.
I wonder how many out of all the statues in the world are of infamous
people and how many are of people who have done genuinely good things
for the people.

[hagbard_celine]

It is not how you make your message heard by the masses who seems to mark people but it's more about the cause you embrace. If you defend the widow and the orphan, you will be invited to the temple of celebrities.

What's the message behind all this? Care about the poorers or the victims. Help the weaker ones!

That's what Jesus done, Mother Teresa, Mandela....

Self-centered purpose are not popular

Bush defended the American supremacy... The guy cannot win with his cause!

I'm not saying that Mandela was all bad, but neither was he the saint that history portrays him as. Unlike many historical personas, he's still alive and can answer back. Who knows what any of us would have done growing up in the tin shack slums of South Africa in the 1950's. Would we be tempted to throw a few hand grendades? I'm not condemning Mandela for what he did; I'm just saying it's wrong to idolize him the way some people do.

[synergy777]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3220/ghandhiqr5.jpg

[reptilianshapeshifter]

What's black and slides up and down Nelson's Column?

Winnie Mandela :D

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Robert Mugabe is ceretainly a racist! He's made life a nightmare for white people in Zimbabwe. It's strange how oppressor and opressed so easily and seamlessly exchange roles in a never-ending cycle of discrimination, not just in Zimbabwe, but everywhere. First whites oppress blacks, the blacks get pissed off and rebel, then they take power and start oppressing whites, then the whites get pissed off and rebel, then they take power... etc etc etc:rolleyes:

It's the same with the 20th Century feminists who, quite rightly, stood up to the old male chauvanist society, but then when they'd had their reforms they suggested a new society where women ruled and men were second-class citzens just as women had been before! The only way out of this gridlock is to stand up against oppression without seeking revenge on those who formally oppressed you. (Most of them are not individually responsible anyway). Only then can the chain be broken.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[chris]

I must say that the name of this thread is priceless:D

[jinjo5]

Does anybody really need to have a statue made of themselves?
whatever theyve done,good,bad or indifferent.
Its idol worship,thats something im not into and i think the general
public couldnt give a monkey's.
I wonder how many out of all the statues in the world are of infamous
people and how many are of people who have done genuinely good things
for the people.
..in fact no one should have a statue of themselves,it means nothing.

[peachped]

..in fact no one should have a statue of themselves,it means nothing.

Yeah wtf is it with statues anyway?

This one in particular stinks because :

It was unveiled by Gordon Brown and Red Ken, and Mandela is a terrorist who killed innocent people.

[mk72]

Wow - most of you are so close minded, I'm shocked!!! And here I thought this is a forum of open minded people that can see through most of the bullshit and slight of hand politics but you all go back to your primal basic level of existance and want to blame black people for the demise and the dumming down of the white colonialist ideals that failed miserably - because guess what it was meant to fail. It seems that most of you are still caught up in the system and hooked on the bait they give you to keep you occupied, devided and busy while they implement their plans. :(

[peachped]

Wow - most of you are so close minded, I'm shocked!!! And here I thought this is a forum of open minded people that can see through most of the bullshit and slight of hand politics but you all go back to your primal basic level of existance and want to blame black people for the demise and the dumming down of the white colonialist ideals that failed miserably - because guess what it was meant to fail. It seems that most of you are still caught up in the system and hooked on the bait they give you to keep you occupied, devided and busy while they implement their plans. :(

What like erecting a statue of a terrorist in our capital city? :rolleyes:

And anyway mk72 this will probably go WAY over your head but : what have black people got to do with it?

[chris]

Since when has a token blackman been the black people?

These colonialists aren't me so I’m not going to apologise for them, they had no right to bestow civility to the savages and destroy their culture and medicine. However the descendants who just so happen to be born in South Africa are victimised by Mandela’s racist affirmative action shouldn’t be ignored.

South Africa is fucked, no doubt about that…Just look into what affirmative action has done to the people. Friends of mine who lived in Johannesburg have to take a 22 everywhere they go. Some of the nicest buildings have literally been deserted and the local poor blacks have moved in there with no electricity, plumbing or water…They literally just poor their shit over into a huge hole at the bottom. This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society.

Very soon South Africa will be a third world nation again.

[hagbard_celine]

Since when has a token blackman been the black people?

These colonialists aren't me so I’m not going to apologise for them, they had no right to bestow civility to the savages and destroy their culture and medicine. However the descendants who just so happen to be born in South Africa are victimised by Mandela’s racist affirmative action shouldn’t be ignored.

South Africa is fucked, no doubt about that…Just look into what affirmative action has done to the people. Friends of mine who lived in Johannesburg have to take a 22 everywhere they go. Some of the nicest buildings have literally been deserted and the local poor blacks have moved in there with no electricity, plumbing or water…They literally just poor their shit over into a huge hole at the bottom. This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society.

Very soon South Africa will be a third world nation again.


There's nothing wrong with a multicultured society in my view. Different cultures can share the same geogrphical location without displacing eachother if they respect eachother and don't get embroiled in childish power games.

But I agree with the rest of your post. The whites of south Africa, and even more so in Zimbabwe, are being oppressed and there's an undercurrent of revenge in it. The attitude that this is just paying the whites back for what they used to do to the blacks. The nonsense of it is the injustice in punishing living people for the crimes committed by their ancesters who are long dead. It's the ultimate racism: holding a person responsible for a crime they probably have never committed because they're the same race as those who did.

[chris]

There's nothing wrong with a multicultured society in my view. Different cultures can share the same geogrphical location without displacing eachother if they respect eachother and don't get embroiled in childish power games.

I have no problem with migration and living in harmony with any other race whether your are a minority or they are or in equal numbers but multiculturalism is a bit of a charade for non racism. Its like the popular thing to do is to praise it but the idea is that they are shipping in as many as possible and then create a huge row between us. That to me is multiculturalism.

They can kill hundreds of thousands in Iraq but because they condone racism, they are not racist…

I am against dogfights, to me they are cruel but to the dog they just see the other dog and not the handlers are the bad guys.


But I agree with the rest of your post. The whites of south Africa, and even more so in Zimbabwe, are being oppressed and there's an undercurrent of revenge in it. The attitude that this is just paying the whites back for what they used to do to the blacks. The nonsense of it is the injustice in punishing living people for the crimes committed by their ancesters who are long dead. It's the ultimate racism: holding a person responsible for a crime they probably have never committed because they're the same race as those who did.

What's funny is that not only are they being oppressed over there but they are using exactly the same tactics over here with all this equal opportunity bullshit the euphemistic term they have coined for it is multiculturalism. If its so equal when applying for a job why do they ask for our race and religion? If they didn't then it would be pot luck and it would be perfectly equal...Fucking bullshit!

Over there they admit its racist and its to resolve the previous atrocities but over here they just say its fair and we get on with it and even defend it. Madness I tell ya!

[hagbard_celine]

To use your dogfight analogy: What both dogs need to do is to look up out of the pit, see the handlers and realize who they are. Then refuse to fight eachother. The same way that the black people of South Africa should oppose the positive discrimination and "appeasement" policies as much as the whites do. This is the only way to break the cycle. The same goes for us in Britain, which as you say parallels South Africa.

In the end I think this is more than just "human nature". This is a deliberate divide-and-rule strategy by the elite. A ploy by the dog handers to hide themselves from the dogs.

[chris]

To use your dogfight analogy: What both dogs need to do is to look up out of the pit, see the handlers and realize who they are. Then refuse to fight eachother. The same way that the black people of South Africa should oppose the positive discrimination and "appeasement" policies as much as the whites do. This is the only way to break the cycle. The same goes for us in Britain, which as you say parallels South Africa.

Yes and its only education that will do that. For its much easier to do nothing when the chips are starting to get good on your side. However if you show them its far better for both to focus on the real racist then they would fall easily.

In the end I think this is more than just "human nature". This is a deliberate divide-and-rule strategy by the elite. A ploy by the dog handers to hide themselves from the dogs.

I have no doubt about that...They admit its racist in Africa but justified so they know its racist over here although not justified but we are too stupid and afriad to be called racist to stand up for our own rights.

[yinon]

This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society.

Very soon South Africa will be a third world nation again.

I think that communism will not be able to support a radical message against capitalism for too long.

Right that's true , their wish for revenges was born from atrocities committed by the western world. How can you not understand them?

As long as Americans will be so much materialist, these polarities will be raised

Education everywhere is the solution

[yinon]

I'm not saying that Mandela was all bad, but neither was he the saint that history portrays him as. Unlike many historical personas, he's still alive and can answer back. Who knows what any of us would have done growing up in the tin shack slums of South Africa in the 1950's. Would we be tempted to throw a few hand grendades? I'm not condemning Mandela for what he did; I'm just saying it's wrong to idolize him the way some people do.


I agree but let them be proud of their king for awhile.

They deserve it.

Transition even if it's a lie.

They need to heal.

[yinon]

South Africa is fucked, no doubt about that…Just look into what affirmative action has done to the people. Friends of mine who lived in Johannesburg have to take a 22 everywhere they go. Some of the nicest buildings have literally been deserted and the local poor blacks have moved in there with no electricity, plumbing or water…They literally just poor their shit over into a huge hole at the bottom. This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society

White people are genetically predominants .They attract events to humble them. They got what they deserve even if revenge is not the right answer

[yinon]

Their wounds are so deep.

You cannot ask them to become responsible without our support .

And first of all .... they need to see us as one, sharing our ressources and offering them concrete solutions without playing wrong charity as we have done for too long

Only after that , they won t be drive by their desires of revenge

[mk72]

What like erecting a statue of a terrorist in our capital city? :rolleyes:

And anyway mk72 this will probably go WAY over your head but : what have black people got to do with it?


“In South Africa the population should be over 15 million whites but thanks to Madella, it is only at 4 million. This is because they have either been driven out or have been made homeless and commit suicide with their children and families thanks to these racist policies” – This is what Chris wrote I was responding to him because he is sucking stuff out of his thumb to make people believe that the poor white people is suffering in South Africa. He’s saying that 11 million people left or died which is impossible. So Chris brought up this black issue and I was not responding to you personally.

My reality in South Africa is not as a suppressed white person. In fact the biggest population of privileged people is white and the poorest are black. This does not seem to look like much has changed with black empowerment and affirmative action in fact that law has so much loopholes that it is laughable to even use it as an excuse – and believe me lots of lazy white people do. Most affirmative action policies are only applied to government jobs.

I agree that it seems useless to put a statue up for Mandela but, like I said my biggest problem is spewing hate about somebody that was in jail for 30 years, there was no terrorist attacks in South Africa 30 years ago, how could he be involved? Doing it out of prison would be impossible - if you lived here during the old government you would know what I’m talking about.

The overwhelming racist comments that I have to deal with on a day to day basis from white people here is sickening. The economy has been stronger than ever – and I mean in the last 40 years, what are they complaining about? Anyway have any of you noticed that communism is just another capitalist ideal – look at China.

After all, the crime we allowed the previous government to committed for so many years: suppressing education among black people, making them live in slums, sending the army in with tanks shooting on civilians because they demonstrate for their rights, taking children from their families, having the right to kill them without being prosecuted – I’m not surprised the crime rate is so high – it’s a socio-economic problem. They are not fighting crime because just like the rest of the world the NWO will move in as the solution. The same with Zimbabwe – I am sure that what they plan it to wait until it’s even worse, and give their solution, it’s a test to make it part of South Africa to see if they can slowly do it with all the other African countries to form an African Union with one military and one money.

Can you really expect them to so soon trust in what white people tell them, can you really image that they would be happy to go for the opposition parties which are mostly white?
They will support the ANC because it is impossible for them to choose anything else, they will not give the government to white people again, and can you blame them?

We need not fight individual black people who happen to once believed in this ideal, free South Africa we need to fight the guys who control Mbeki.

[follower]

Does anybody seriously believe that it is better in SA today than in the days of the Apartheid? lol.

I will never ever accept the killing of innocent civilians as a way to fight terrorism on the other side. That's lower than low. The people cannot help who rules their government, and don't start saying that they vote and pay taxes, because we all are forced to pay taxes and votes don't count for jack shit.

The price of living in some places costs an arm and a leg!

South Africa is better as whole than ever before.....surely you cant be expecting a utopia so soon (just 13 years) after 3.5 decades of physical segregation, inequality and abuse

The apartheid regime were far worse terrorists than some of the ANC members were. Killing innocent civilians is a disgrace and both sides were guilty of that.

The hard heads that were in charge of the apartheid regime were at fault and are also to blame for the bombing the ANC did, because they refused to sit down and negotiate with the ANC until they started losing grip. The apartheid regime were also responsible for the worst massacres of the era as well, namel sharpville and the school kids in soweto. Most of the ANC's bombings actually targeted infrastructure rather than civilians as well, read about the secunda bombings.

[follower]

“In South Africa the population should be over 15 million whites but thanks to Madella, it is only at 4 million. This is because they have either been driven out or have been made homeless and commit suicide with their children and families thanks to these racist policies” – This is what Chris wrote I was responding to him because he is sucking stuff out of his thumb to make people believe that the poor white people is suffering in South Africa. He’s saying that 11 million people left or died which is impossible. So Chris brought up this black issue and I was not responding to you personally.

My reality in South Africa is not as a suppressed white person. In fact the biggest population of privileged people is white and the poorest are black. This does not seem to look like much has changed with black empowerment and affirmative action in fact that law has so much loopholes that it is laughable to even use it as an excuse – and believe me lots of lazy white people do. Most affirmative action policies are only applied to government jobs.

I agree that it seems useless to put a statue up for Mandela but, like I said my biggest problem is spewing hate about somebody that was in jail for 30 years, there was no terrorist attacks in South Africa 30 years ago, how could he be involved? Doing it out of prison would be impossible - if you lived here during the old government you would know what I’m talking about.

The overwhelming racist comments that I have to deal with on a day to day basis from white people here is sickening. The economy has been stronger than ever – and I mean in the last 40 years, what are they complaining about? Anyway have any of you noticed that communism is just another capitalist ideal – look at China.

After all, the crime we allowed the previous government to committed for so many years: suppressing education among black people, making them live in slums, sending the army in with tanks shooting on civilians because they demonstrate for their rights, taking children from their families, having the right to kill them without being prosecuted – I’m not surprised the crime rate is so high – it’s a socio-economic problem. They are not fighting crime because just like the rest of the world the NWO will move in as the solution. The same with Zimbabwe – I am sure that what they plan it to wait until it’s even worse, and give their solution, it’s a test to make it part of South Africa to see if they can slowly do it with all the other African countries to form an African Union with one military and one money.

Can you really expect them to so soon trust in what white people tell them, can you really image that they would be happy to go for the opposition parties which are mostly white?
They will support the ANC because it is impossible for them to choose anything else, they will not give the government to white people again, and can you blame them?

We need not fight individual black people who happen to once believed in this ideal, free South Africa we need to fight the guys who control Mbeki.

I agree with everything you said here, especially that last sentence.

my guess is its these guys;

http://www.exsequi.org.za/

http://www.grandlodge.co.za/

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Thank you for your interesting post mk72.So white people arent suffering in SA? Well I was under the impression that whites are under siege there,but you should know as you live there so I will bare that in mind in future. However I don't think anyone is "spewing hate" about Mandela on here - just sickened that the elite have erected a statue of a terrorist in Trafalgar Square.

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Originally Posted by \"hagbard_celine\"
South Africa is fucked, no doubt about that…Just look into what affirmative action has done to the people. Friends of mine who lived in Johannesburg have to take a 22 everywhere they go. Some of the nicest buildings have literally been deserted and the local poor blacks have moved in there with no electricity, plumbing or water…They literally just poor their shit over into a huge hole at the bottom. This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society



Yinon. I'm sure that's just a typo, but could you edit it please. I never said that.

[vienna]

How long do you think it will be until the UK makes it mandatory to fall down and worship at the feet of the statue of Nelson Mandela? Do people not realize anymore that he was the leader of a terrorist organization which bombed innocent people? Should we expect a similar statue of Gerry Adams in a few years time?

I remember Alan Watt mentioning this in one of his educational blurbs - I could never track down a valid news story with source to back it up - on google anyway

would be grateful if anyone could supply one

I've learnt from experience that when paddling upstream we need to back our points up with quotable sources and facts - in other words work twice as hard as the masses going with the flow

[chris]

Right that's true , their wish for revenges was born from atrocities committed by the western world. How can you not understand them?

I understand them fine, look at my posts...I'm simply saying they are stupid mislead mother fuckers.

White people are genetically predominants .They attract events to humble them. They got what they deserve even if revenge is not the right answer

I hate this type of Michael Moore raving liberal type of ideology. It's not white peoples fault, it's not jews or blacks so without getting all taoist and philosphical; it's the elite.

http://www.engel-cox.org/images/Covers/booksMooreStupid.jpg

It has nothing to do with race, they like to play it up like a huge thing but racism isn't much of a crime. The elite arabs, jews and blacks don't give a shit about other races social engineering their own people (who should stake them otherwise) to make them easier to control. In fact they help them.

[yinon]

I understand them fine, look at my posts...I'm simply saying they are stupid mislead mother fuckers.



I hate this type of Michael Moore raving liberal type of ideology. It's not white peoples fault, it's not jews or blacks so without getting all taoist and philosphical; it's the elite.

http://www.engel-cox.org/images/Covers/booksMooreStupid.jpg

It has nothing to do with race, they like to play it up like a huge thing but racism isn't much of a crime. The elite arabs, jews and blacks don't give a shit about other races social engineering their own people (who should stake them otherwise) to make them easier to control. In fact they help them.

It has to do with power - Right!!!!

[yinon]

Since when has a token blackman been the black people?

These colonialists aren't me so I’m not going to apologise for them, they had no right to bestow civility to the savages and destroy their culture and medicine. However the descendants who just so happen to be born in South Africa are victimised by Mandela’s racist affirmative action shouldn’t be ignored.

South Africa is fucked, no doubt about that…Just look into what affirmative action has done to the people. Friends of mine who lived in Johannesburg have to take a 22 everywhere they go. Some of the nicest buildings have literally been deserted and the local poor blacks have moved in there with no electricity, plumbing or water…They literally just poor their shit over into a huge hole at the bottom. This is all because of the crazy communist political correctness out there and its interesting as its coming over here with our multicultural society.

Very soon South Africa will be a third world nation again.

Chris said it Hagbard _Celine

Sorry!

[mk72]

I remember Alan Watt mentioning this in one of his educational blurbs - I could never track down a valid news story with source to back it up - on google anyway

would be grateful if anyone could supply one

I've learnt from experience that when paddling upstream we need to back our points up with quotable sources and facts - in other words work twice as hard as the masses going with the flow


I also heard that podcast and can not understand how this is being quoted a lot these days, where as a few years ago this was not touched at all especially when he (Mandela) was in the news alot, I don't know if there is an agenda behind this, it just seems so weird that all of a sudden you hear alot of quotes about him being a terrorist.
I have a theory about this, but it is very late here and I don't want to get into it now. I'll say this - I'm thinking his old, he's going to die soon and there are alot of conpiracies and tension for the last year about what will happen if he dies - a bunch of loony, white racists groups stirring, in short, and I think this will be exploited by the NWO laying the groundwork now.
Anyway I listen now and then to Alan Watt and I'm not saying he's stirring but you are right he can't back this up with fact. If you are labeled as a terrorist surely you have to have committed terrorists attacks - now, even as a whole how many white people did the ANC killed in the 40 odd years of apartheid?(Not the PAC or PAGAD remember, the ANC). If it's ten I would be surprised. I was in my teens in the 80's and I remember that whole period and followed it with interest, and I can't remember 1 incident except the AWB members a few days before the election getting killed, and face it they were idiots looking for trouble. The people who were killed where black people by their thousands.
I grew up in a very conservative racist area of the country where teenage boys used to hid black guys riding a bike with cricket bats out of a car window at 120km an hour for weekend fun. I saw garages sold out of fan belts when there was a peacefull protest people bought them to make wips out of them, hitting men women and children to end the protest - I can go on and on.
I don't care what people say - they keep forgetting that the crime in this country affect the black people as well, I would even say more so. Nobody talks about this when they talk about crime. My black friend live in fear in the townships, most of them don't have the money for security, alarms or even fences. Most of them don't own a car their children go with taxis to school everyday or walk very far, their little girls go missing, and get raped. I know personally 3 women who's children all under 10 got raped in the last year - I don't know white people this has happened to.
Next time you speak to an expat from this country that's complaining about how bad it is here for them just remember most left this country 5-10years ago because of two things, the economy was very bad and they had too much debt (thanks to the shambles the old gravy trainers left us), and because they were scared of black people believing that we will all be killed. Anyway they were not the cream of the crop, if you know what I mean. Don't get me wrong, some wanted the experience and earn extra money to save as a long term goal - I have no problem with that, but most not.

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Chris said it Hagbard _Celine

Sorry!

OK, mate. No worries.

Thanks. :)