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azaziel01

13-10-2009, 10:27 AM

Hi Folks

Having blundered through some books

"History of freemasonry", "The Hiram Key", "Turning the Templar Key"

I keep seeing a reference to the "lost word", is this is same lost word referred to as:

"We are the brethren of the Rosy Cross, we have second sight and Masonic word"?

Thanks

Chris

keystone

13-10-2009, 10:33 AM

By way of starting a contraversy :D. Perhaps it could be looked upon as its not the word itself which is important. But the search for it is - in an allegorical way of course.

But in answer to your question - in truth I do not know. Education will arrive shortly via another quill.

Cheers

azaziel01

13-10-2009, 10:39 AM

One of the things that I love about masonry (at least my personal perception of masonry) is the quest. My own quest that links in with my brothers quest.

I have now been proposed and have to be balloted next monday, I look forward Keystone to be able to call you brother soon (as I look forward to call each mason here brother)

I originally thought that this word was a way for master masons to recognise each other, so that apprentices could not take up the masters work (in operative days)

stevepenny

13-10-2009, 12:42 PM

I have now been proposed and have to be balloted next monday, I look forward Keystone to be able to call you brother soon (as I look forward to call each mason here brother)

Well done 'Brother' to be :)

I originally thought that this word was a way for master masons to recognise each other, so that apprentices could not take up the masters work (in operative days)

The lost word, as stated by Keystone is more allegory than truth.

The essence of the craft is 'Labour' or work; and that 'work' is the search for the divine truth. The 'Lost Word' is a spiritual landmark to which we all aspire, but none will achieve in this mortal existence.

There is an old phrase often cited by Mediavel Monks: laborare est orare - Labour is Worship.

As you will hoefully be joining us very soon, I don't want to spoil the experience by revealing any more. Perhaps we can talk again when yo have been 'raised'.

Steve

azaziel01

13-10-2009, 01:21 PM

thanks Steve, Keystone :)

Chris

barney_rubble

13-10-2009, 02:11 PM

azaziel01

13-10-2009, 03:33 PM

Thanks Barney

I've been trying to read as much as possible, I'd love to join a lodge of research after my 3rd degree.

Chris

stevepenny

13-10-2009, 03:43 PM

Thanks Barney

I've been trying to read as much as possible, I'd love to join a lodge of research after my 3rd degree.

Chris

Hi Chris,

If I can just inject a note of caution: Don't read too much about it, as it may cloud your judgement when the time comes. I've met a lot of people over the years who 'researched' the craft, only to find that it was not what they expected when they joined.

Freemasonry on an esoteric level is a voyage of self-discovery. If you pre-dispose yourself to the ideas of others you can very easily miss the whole point.

Let us know how you get on with the ballot :) Once your in you might like to look at Lodgeroom International, where there is a very good Masonic forum.

stewart edwards

13-10-2009, 03:53 PM

The 'Lost Word' is a spiritual landmark to which we all aspire, but none will achieve in this mortal existence.This may be one of the most stupid questions that I have ever asked. But Why?

The way that my mind sees the masonic journey, admittedly form the outside, is that you practice the craft on yourself and after a while you come to master yourself. At this stage, assuming that the you accept the responsibility that this entails, you begin to illuminate the way for those that follow you on the path. By this analogy every single lodge master should have found the lost word.

Clearly I may be thinking of a different lost word to that of the masonic journey, and I know for example from a previous thread here that Peters GLAE consider what I know here to be a very "modern" in terms of masonry view, but I can only speak for what has happened in my own life. The word is "yourself" as in "know yourself". But it is something you have to feel for yourself. Really feel through every ounce of your very existence. It is the key to passing through the veils of life.

If this is the lost masonic word, eeerrmm then it is findable. I know this as I found it - years ago now. But if it isnt then fair enough. But I am really curious as to why you believe that it is not findable by anyone in this mortal existance?

stevepenny

13-10-2009, 04:11 PM

This may be one of the most stupid questions that I have ever asked. But Why?

The way that my mind sees the masonic journey, admittedly form the outside, is that you practice the craft on yourself and after a while you come to master yourself. At this stage, assuming that the you accept the responsibility that this entails, you begin to illuminate the way for those that follow you on the path. By this analogy every single lodge master should have found the lost word.

Clearly I may be thinking of a different lost word to that of the masonic journey, and I know for example from a previous thread here that Peters GLAE consider what I know here to be a very "modern" in terms of masonry view, but I can only speak for what has happened in my own life. The word is "yourself" as in "know yourself". But it is something you have to feel for yourself. Really feel through every ounce of your very existence. It is the key to passing through the veils of life.

If this is the lost masonic word, eeerrmm then it is findable. I know this as I found it - years ago now. But if it isnt then fair enough. But I am really curious as to why you believe that it is not findable by anyone in this mortal existance?

Stewart,

There is no such thing as a stupid question :) In Freemasonry, the 'Lost Word' is an allegory for the Divine Truth. The Divine Truth can only be obtained once you have passed on from this life to meet the Supreme Architect, before that it is all guesswork and supposition.

We can all search for it; and many believe they have found it; but as it is not a tangible thing, it is something we can only aspire to.

To quote Douglas Adams; the 'Lost Word' is "The secret of life, the universe, and everything". You get more of an insight as you progress through the 'Arch' and beyond.

Look at it this way; even evangelical Christians will only know they were right; if; come the rapture; they are taken to heaven to sit with Jesus. They all 'believe' that this is the truth; but how can they be sure until they have experienced it for themselves.

You are correct when you say it is about knowing yourself; and yes it is something that you have to feel. But how do you know in advance how you will for example react to any given situation. And how many times have you 'passed by' on the other side of the street, despite your conscience, and regretted it at a later date.

It's all to do with human infallability...

barney_rubble

13-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Hi Chris,

If I can just inject a note of caution: Don't read too much about it, as it may cloud your judgement when the time comes. I've met a lot of people over the years who 'researched' the craft, only to find that it was not what they expected when they joined.

Freemasonry on an esoteric level is a voyage of self-discovery. If you pre-dispose yourself to the ideas of others you can very easily miss the whole point.

Let us know how you get on with the ballot :) Once your in you might like to look at Lodgeroom International, where there is a very good Masonic forum.

Agreed.

Researching too much ahead of time is like having someone tell you part of a good novel before you read it yourself. Don't ruin it for yourself - let it unfold naturally.

stewart edwards

13-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Stewart, In Freemasonry, the 'Lost Word' is an allegory for the Divine Truth.Good we are talking on the same level then.

The Divine Truth can only be obtained once you have passed on from this life to meet the Supreme Architect.Why?

and many believe they have found it;Guess I must be one of these many.

but as it is not a tangible thing,Agreed.

it is something we can only aspire to.Why? From my experience it is something that after a heck of a lot of hard work (in my case several hours a day over several years) you can and do find.

You get more of an insight as you progress through the 'Arch' and beyond.All in due time.

Thanks by the way.

stevepenny

13-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Why? From my experience it is something that after a heck of a lot of hard work (in my case several hours a day over several years) you can and do find.

Stewart,

Perhaps you have, but what is this Divine Truth that you have found. :)

stewart edwards

13-10-2009, 04:35 PM

Stewart,

Perhaps you have, but what is this Divine Truth that you have found. :)Well after quite literally many thousands of hours of inner work I came to realise the following (but as I said earlier the answer is knowledge of yourself):-

1. The daily drudgery of life - commuting, work, shopping, casual acquaintances etc etc, give you everything you need, it is all hidden in the plain sight of your daily life. Your situation in life doesnt matter one iota. The trick is finding the keys, signposts, and lessons hidden in front of you.

2. Once you really do master yourself and know yourself, it is one of the most exciting places to be. You are able to peel back the onion layers of life (aka Shrek) and see its hidden beauty.

3. I first of all saw the bigger picture of life a sort of top down approach, and only relatively recently the bottom up approach of seeing how everything is interconnected - cogs in the machine, with each action producing all sorts of unexpected resulting effects. I likened this to a swiss watch on a masonic forum a few months back and some of your brothers who understood this tell me that they see it more like a living organism, which I can appreciate, though I will stick to the watch analogy just now.

But when all is said and done the simple divine truth is yourself. Knowledge thereof. I am not exactly a religious person, though I respect all religions and would fund a temple of light and life for all religions and people/life of this planet if I were a billionaire, but I am very close to God.

azaziel01

13-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Thanks, a good way of thinking about life Stewart

stewart edwards

13-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Stewart,

Perhaps you have, but what is this Divine Truth that you have found. :)I am still interested in why you believe that you cant find it in this life Steve?

deathbeast

13-10-2009, 11:46 PM

Chris,

dude enjoy each degree as it come, as steve says dont read too much into the books and "leaked" information, take the time and try and absorb whats going on. its a welcoming experience!

stevepenny

14-10-2009, 07:56 AM

Well after quite literally many thousands of hours of inner work I came to realise the following (but as I said earlier the answer is knowledge of yourself):-

1. The daily drudgery of life - commuting, work, shopping, casual acquaintances etc etc, give you everything you need, it is all hidden in the plain sight of your daily life. Your situation in life doesnt matter one iota. The trick is finding the keys, signposts, and lessons hidden in front of you.

2. Once you really do master yourself and know yourself, it is one of the most exciting places to be. You are able to peel back the onion layers of life (aka Shrek) and see its hidden beauty.

3. I first of all saw the bigger picture of life a sort of top down approach, and only relatively recently the bottom up approach of seeing how everything is interconnected - cogs in the machine, with each action producing all sorts of unexpected resulting effects. I likened this to a swiss watch on a masonic forum a few months back and some of your brothers who understood this tell me that they see it more like a living organism, which I can appreciate, though I will stick to the watch analogy just now.

But when all is said and done the simple divine truth is yourself. Knowledge thereof. I am not exactly a religious person, though I respect all religions and would fund a temple of light and life for all religions and people/life of this planet if I were a billionaire, but I am very close to God.

Hi Stewart,

I'm genuinely happy for you that you have found an element of inner peace and tranquility.

I'm not going to post any further on this topic as it would be patently unfair to a potential Brother.

If you want to PM me on the subject then i'm more than happy to engage with you.

Best Wishes :)

stewart edwards

14-10-2009, 08:00 AM

I'm not going to post any further on this topic as it would be patently unfair to a potential Brother.

If you want to PM me on the subject then i'm more than happy to engage with you.

Best Wishes :)Okdokey.

se19_london

14-10-2009, 01:44 PM

azaziel01

14-10-2009, 03:42 PM

Thanks Chaps,

Thanks for your direction and your kindness.

I am looking forward to my initiation, the lodge which I am prospectively joining are a lovely group of guys.

I have started reading http://www.themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/old_tyler_talks/ott_main_toc.htm

Absolutely fantastic!!

Or as the Doctor would say

"Allons-y"

Chris

stevepenny

14-10-2009, 03:47 PM

http://www.themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/old_tyler_talks/ott_main_toc.htm[/url]

Absolutely fantastic!!

Or as the Doctor would say

"Allons-y"

Chris

Chris,

Can I suggest http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/ as a slightly more informed and a somewhat more respected web-site.

There is nothing wrong with the Masonic Trowel other than an American emphasis to it.

azaziel01

14-10-2009, 04:00 PM

All contributions to my ongoing education gratefully accepted!

Thanks Steve

Chris