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mada88
30-08-2007, 01:44 AM
Mainstream spirituality is becoming less of an oxymoron by the day. Movies like “What the Bleep” and “The Secret” are gaining appreciable popularity. But the belief that you create your own reality (YCYOR) is tricky business; on the one hand being a chronic cynic does invite an extraordinary share of misfortunes, but staying positive by ignoring negative issues that need to be solved is also dangerous. The situation regarding “The Secret” (and the imminent flowering of related “spiritual” themes in mainstream culture) is precarious because as the saying goes, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Pitfalls include denying personal and world problems that still need attention, and misappropriating metaphysical principles to satisfy ego-based greed and materialism, which treads dangerously close to black magick.

Where could this all lead? I have noticed a prevalent problem of faux spirituality mixed into the alien disinformation literature out there. It employs concepts like nondualism, zen-like consciousness, integration of polarities, and getting away from victim-mentalities. Sounds nice, but the way these are portrayed is a mere simulacrum of the real thing. For instance, nondualism in this case encourages ignorance of functional differences rather than acknowledging these difference in context of the fundamental unity of all things. Or the zen-like consciousness is said to be a “spiritual” state of mind achievable via transcendental meditation, yet TM lowers consciousness into hypnotically suggestible states. Victims are told that victimhood is merely a perspective that can be eliminated by welcoming and seeing their abuse as a good thing rather than using freewill and awareness to break free of their oppressors. And the integration of polarities is used to justify the idea of human + alien coming together to form a mixed hybrid race with the best traits of both, but really that is genetic enslavement of the human soul matrix.

Even the Law of Attraction has been twisted into the idea that if aliens are in any way manifest in your life, it is because you have already agreed to working with them, that you have attracted them into your life and must therefore, as an act of responsibility and maturity rather than denial, acknowledge this choice and honor it by working with them. But that would be like buying from every salesman who knocks on your door. The flaw of this reasoning rests on the fact that there is a difference between agreeing to face the possible risk of a negative experience, and agreeing to go through that experience itself. For instance, every time you drive a car you choose to face the risk of an accident, but you do not actually choose to get into an accident per se. The difference is choice — in a situation of possible risk you can choose, through awareness, to avoid the negative possibilities, whereas having already chosen to experience one of those possibilities would mean violating your own freewill in avoiding it. This is just one example of how negative aliens use cunning to manipulate their victims into willingly accepting their abuse.

The point is that negative forces do appear to be invested in spreading New Age concepts now more than ever in order to create a conscious environment for the open acceptance of what they have to offer, rather than the covert “science/religion” game they’ve been using in the past. The only way alien deceivers can assimilate us willingly is to make us aware of higher dimensional reality and the interplay between mind and matter. It is a Luciferic deception because they bring light, but it is a false light unaccompanied by the warmth of wisdom and true understanding that comes from the heart. The plan is not that they enslave us violently, rather that we welcome them smilingly.

On the bright side, negative forces usually take a gamble on everything they do with the risk that should they fail, their actions would produce more “good” than had they never acted in the first place. They give lots of truth with a nice dose of lies that spins it all towards their agenda. For truth-seekers like ourselves, this is an advantage in that if the deceptive part can be revealed for what it is, replaced by a superior truth alternative, then the total outcome is positive. For instance, if my friends never listened to me about the idea of reality creation (Law of Attraction), but through some outside agenda they eventually are convinced of its merits and go nuts for it, there may come a time when I could successfully say, “okay, now that you’re aware of THAT part, here are some pitfalls to look out for, and here is a superior alternative to apply all this successfully.”

My main drive in life is to discover deceptions, expose them, and come up with superior alternatives. I think if a deception can be laid out clearly enough, many people would listen in time. However, that is assuming they are rational… sometimes the ego is so invested in a false belief it will use irrational methods to argue away the uncomfortable truth.

Like with YCYOR... people are easily caught in the false dichotomy of “be positive and don’t acknowledge the negative” vs “acknowledge the negative and don’t be positive”. Well, why can’t it be “be positive but also acknowledge the negative”? That third choice transcends the first two… but I have noticed that people generally have a hard time getting past that fallacy of false opposites and are somehow wired to think in a binary either/or way instead of acknowledging a third transcendent choice. The interesting part is that if this third choice is shown to them, they will misinterpret it as defending the other side’s position and attacking their own. It’s no different from people who think Democrat and Republican are the only two choices, and will classify any political view into either category.

I think the “spiritual awakening” happening now is partly an anti-christ phenomenon, a false counterpart to the second coming, the latter being an awakening of the higher self awareness within many of us. But I believe the momentum built by the agenda through its dishing out truth in hopes of steering it toward deceptive ends can instead be re-steered towards liberation.

So, how will the infusion of New Age concepts affect the collective consciousness? Left alone, it would doom this planet to become willfully assimilated. But if carefully exposed and redirected it could do the opposite. The situation could be a divine plan potentially derailed by negative forces, or perhaps a negative agenda being overturned at the last moment by divine forces who had it planned all along.

From montalk.net http://montalk.net/notes/faux-spirituality

caleb_11
31-08-2007, 12:43 PM
Funny, I wanted to post a thread about this. Also, I had an argument about that we shouldn't ignore the negative. The person who I was arguing with believes that we should see all things and people as positive...yeah, I know, I guess Hitler was a wonderful man hey? Thinking like that is stupid.

The secret and what the bleep put out the idea that you can get anything you want. I saw on the secret that this boy wanted a bike for so long and that they were saying that if you believe so hard, you will get it, but this can come after a long time sometimes. I do believe this, however, there is something else we need to understand. In this process, the person who desires the object are in a state of desire and are not satisfied (happy) with what is. They believe that they can escape from what is by acquisition. But when that person acquires the object, person, idea or whatever, they get s sense of pleasure and a high from it. But are they really satisfied? No they aren't. Soon they will want the latest model or more of it and the process repeats itself.

One of the film producers of what the bleep, the female said in an interview that she creates her reality all the time. I believe that. However, here comes the killer part. She said in a condescending way to those who do not believe (real spiritual eh?) that at least she will find a car parking space over those who do not believe. When she said it, she sounded like a spoilt, bratty princess. The thing is, if everyone believed this, then someone is going to lose out. It is like running 100 metres, not everyone can come first, because everyone might have it in their "reality" that they are going to come first, but that won't happen. In addition, if she did not get a car parking spot, what would happen to her? She would get frustrated. In that frustration, she will feel anger. Anger needs to be directed somewhere, and this would therefore lead to jealousy and envy. All these characteristics and that of hatred and the opposite to what love is. Therefore, these people who advocate the "get what you want" are trying to escape from what is and will inexorably lead to hatred.

Another example of getting what you ant is a form of future based thinking. I believe that most people on this forum would agree that thinking of terms in the future is plain stupid. For example, you might have it in your "reality" to be the boss of a large corporation. It is also the "reality" of others to be the boss of that same corporation. This entails ambition. Ambition leads to envy and jealousy. It is all very immature this idea, is it not?

In any case, the new age is backed up by many trusts that want a new world order (global domination), eg. Lucis Trust. The mainstream spirituality with the secret etc is another gimmick to rack in money, but I wouldn't say that its intent is evil. People are suckers for this stuff...ah; most people are suckers for anything in general.

bigus_dickus
31-08-2007, 02:07 PM
nice thread!

the truth is.. not YCYOR, but YCYOI, which means "You Create Your Own Illusion".

because, what is reality?

anything you can create with your mind, is illusion. it is not what it seems. furthermore, i don't think that thoughts create reality, meaning "attract" the appropriate illusions to your self, but emotions do.

i mean that a thought can manifest as reality, only if there is emotion invested in that thought. but that also means that anything you can think of, is only going to be about. the only real intelligence at work behind the scenes, is the emotions.

what i want to suggest, that the only real reality (huh..?!) that you can contemplate right now, is what you feel and not what you think.

for the "Hitler" example, whether you think that Hitler was evil, or you think that Hitler was good, it will not be the case. because evil and good are going to derive from a thought process, that is being affected from other thoughts and beliefs, from historical records and opinions, from memory and from the emotions that accompany all this load. we all know what Hitler did and why, but do we know his emotions, his psycho synthesis? do we know if he was delusional, mind controlled, psychically attacked, mentally retarded? all we have is opinions, opinions and more opinions, not the truth.

and how about Einstein? was he good or was he evil? what he did was great work in science and the progress of scientific thought, but what do we have in the end? the most destructive power humans ever possessed in their hands, the atom bomb. so who is to judge and how is he to judge?

when reality is based on belief, doesn't that make it an illusion after all? not reality, but a layer of illusion upon reality that appears real. it makes people become more materialists than spiritualists and others more spiritualists than materialists, but why should one be more of one and less of other, while materialism and spiritualism are both illusions that derive from beliefs? what if matter and spirit are interconnected, that is, matter is the "dressing" of spirit. wouldn't separation from any create an imbalance and enforce the already persistent illusion? that's something to think about.. of course thinking about it is nothing, feeling it is the most truth you can know (not know about, but be), because only you know how it feels, no one can tell you or create your feelings for you. we don't only have 5 senses, we have more, many more. i might talk about them in another post some other time.

chicken
07-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Interesting set of threads

i mean that a thought can manifest as reality, only if there is emotion invested in that thought. but that also means that anything you can think of, is only going to be about. the only real intelligence at work behind the scenes, is the emotions.

I want to say that the "just a thought can manifest itself in reality" notion - but a very serious one too. In terms of e-harassment and gang stalking - this is the basis of changing reality - not the one you was going to follow. It is set up so that you have no choice but to be pushed and pulled in the direction of destruction - no matter how hard you try to keep it where you want. Your destiny is mapped out for you. Many targets end up hanging on by their finger tips - many targets do not make it.

It is applied social engineering and eugenics ulimately. Many targets suggest that their mind is read and this means that they have no firewall to their brain. How this is done is open to suggestion - implants - remote viewing - like reading brain which is unique to every individual. Many arguements and debates take place around this.

Emotions don't have any impact on a thought in this case. The perps the people who do this will be aware of what makes you tick due to a high level of psychological profiling. What they want is how this can apply to an action.

Remember how the sentance goes actions speak louder than words. This is what shapes your reality.

Chicken

rasnalgoul
07-09-2007, 05:33 PM
i think the illusion here is that people are understanding this create your own reality stuff in the context of seperation as in they still believe that they exist seperate other people when in fact that is false. We are one field of energy and believing your going to get something you 'want' is somewhat a selfish thing because you can be taking something someone needs. I think we need to think about this create your own illusion/reality on a whole new level of what do we 'need' rather than what we 'want' and see that other people/animals/organism/places need things as well, and we should distinguish between what we should pursue and what should let be. For example, if you like a girl, you think 'positively' about you and her being together. But she has a boyfriend and through your 'positive' sorcery you change the illusion/reality so she becomes attracted to you. So what youve done is destroyed the relationship between her and that guy, he might have needed that experience or that love urgently. He is in a bad spot now. This can and does happen with all things. What we need to do is realize the difference between true positivity which is a harmony between all -oness, and false positivity which is expressed in things like the secret, which is positive from aspect that it brings you personal gain. To me that a selfish act disguised as a good doing. You know what Im saying?

mada88
07-09-2007, 06:08 PM
It's Sorcery vs Magick like Tsarion says.