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ennui
12-10-2009, 11:35 PM
Someone has something to hide......
The Guardian has been prevented from reporting parliamentary proceedings on legal grounds which appear to call into question privileges guaranteeing free speech established under the 1688 Bill of Rights.
Today's published Commons order papers contain a question to be answered by a minister later this week. The Guardian is prevented from identifying the MP who has asked the question, what the question is, which minister might answer it, or where the question is to be found.
The Guardian is also forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented – for the first time in memory – from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret.
The only fact the Guardian can report is that the case involves the London solicitors Carter-Ruck, who specialise in suing the media for clients, who include individuals or global corporations.
The Guardian has vowed urgently to go to court to overturn the gag on its reporting. The editor, Alan Rusbridger, said: "The media laws in this country increasingly place newspapers in a Kafkaesque world in which we cannot tell the public anything about information which is being suppressed, nor the proceedings which suppress it. It is doubly menacing when those restraints include the reporting of parliament itself."
The media lawyer Geoffrey Robertson QC said Lord Denning ruled in the 1970s that "whatever comments are made in parliament" can be reported in newspapers without fear of contempt.
He said: "Four rebel MPs asked questions giving the identity of 'Colonel B', granted anonymity by a judge on grounds of 'national security'. The DPP threatened the press might be prosecuted for contempt, but most published."
The right to report parliament was the subject of many struggles in the 18th century, with the MP and journalist John Wilkes fighting every authority – up to the king – over the right to keep the public informed. After Wilkes's battle, wrote the historian Robert Hargreaves, "it gradually became accepted that the public had a constitutional right to know what their elected representatives were up to".
drhemp
12-10-2009, 11:53 PM
Why should this surprise us?
Perhaps if the Guardian did a better job of attacking this evil Government in the past, instead of turning a blind eye to the truth, or even supporting them outright, then perhaps they wouldn't find themselves in this situation.
flip side
13-10-2009, 12:14 AM
Carter Ruck are the legal firm representing the Mccann's in their fight to gag the press and website's running negative stories about Gerry, Kate and their associates.
Dont know if this could be related?
http://www.carter-ruck.com/Miscellaneous/?page=11
hoffy
13-10-2009, 01:38 AM
Unbelievable.
Democracy - this word takes on a more Orwellian feel to it every day. We should rewrite the dictionary definition.
War-Peace
Truth-Lies
kayozz
13-10-2009, 01:49 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/12/guardian-gagged-from-reporting-parliament
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=23226
onday's published Commons order papers contain a question to be answered by a minister later this week. The Guardian is prevented from identifying the MP (Member of Parliament) who has asked the question, what the question is, which minister might answer it, or where the question is to be found.
The Guardian is also forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented - for the first time in memory - from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret.
POSSIBLY THIS STORY:
* David Leigh
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 September 2009 15.08 BST
The British oil trader Trafigura has offered to pay out in a historic damages claim from 31,000 Africans injured by the dumping of toxic waste in one of the worst pollution disasters in recent history, the Guardian can reveal
kayozz
13-10-2009, 01:53 AM
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread509810/pg1
order-order.com wonders "if it is this question:"
Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what assessment he has made of the effectiveness of legislation to protect (a) whistleblowers and (b) press freedom following the injunctions obtained in the High Court by (i) Barclays and Freshfields solicitors on 19 March 2009 on the publication of internal Barclays reports documenting alleged tax avoidance schemes and (ii) Trafigura and Carter-Ruck solicitors on 11 September 2009 on the publication of the Minton report on the alleged dumping of toxic waste in the Ivory Coast, commissioned by Trafigura.
Possibly this story?
www.guardian.co.uk...
* David Leigh
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 September 2009 15.08 BST
The British oil trader Trafigura has offered to pay out in a historic damages claim from 31,000 Africans injured by the dumping of toxic waste in one of the worst pollution disasters in recent history, the Guardian can reveal.
kayozz
13-10-2009, 02:27 AM
Thoughts?
Africa > Toxic seas > Pirates > Manipulation > Increased Military presence > Disruption of trade > Profit
ennui
13-10-2009, 02:34 AM
I've just looked up Peter Carter-Ruck in Wikipedia and it says this:
Carter-Ruck's former firm, which bears his name, remains active in high-profile defamation cases. In Sept, 2009, the Guardian claimed that Carter-Ruck had recently demanded it to delete published articles relating to the Trafigura toxic oil disaster, saying it was "gravely defamatory" and "untrue" to say that Trafigura's waste had been dumped cheaply and could have caused deaths and serious injuries. The Guardian claimed that, later, Trafigura agreed to pay compensation to 31,000 west African victims. The Guardian also alleged that other media outlets in Holland and Norway were also threatened with gagging actions. [6]
In October 2009, The Guardian reported that it was forbidden to report in a parliamentary matter, being "forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented – for the first time in memory – from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret. The only fact the Guardian can report is that the case involves the London solicitors Carter-Ruck." The paper further claimed that this case appears "to call into question privileges guaranteeing free speech established under the 1688 Bill of Rights".[7]
The question subject to the gagging order would appear to be:
"N Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what assessment he has made of the effectiveness of legislation to protect (a) whistleblowers and (b) press freedom following the injunctions obtained in the High Court by (i) Barclays and Freshfields solicitors on 19 March 2009 on the publication of internal Barclays reports documenting alleged tax avoidance schemes and (ii) Trafigura and Carter-Ruck solicitors on 11 September 2009 on the publication of the Minton report on the alleged dumping of toxic waste in the Ivory Coast, commissioned by Trafigura."
lynfowars
13-10-2009, 08:20 AM
Can they gag the USA press on this? Are they reporting on it?
the white knight
13-10-2009, 08:35 AM
The Guardian the same newspaper thats been up Labours arse for the last 12 years they also make millions each year off the government who advertse nearly all there public sector jobs in that rag of a newspaper.
sinnain
13-10-2009, 09:14 AM
Apparently this is what it's all about.
Killer Toxic Waste
In 2006 an oil trading company, Trafigura, in the dead of night is alleged to have dumped hundreds of tons of toxic waste in Abijan in the Ivory Coast. A number of people died and thousands needed medical attention. A class action, the largest ever brought before the courts in Great Britain, is being brought by the people of Abijan. Liz Mackean travels to the Ivory Coast to investigate the story
sinnain
13-10-2009, 09:17 AM
Yep, think it is that.....its all over twitter this morning.
In 2006 an oil trading company, Trafigura, in the dead of night is alleged to have dumped hundreds of tons of toxic waste in Abijan in the Ivory Coast. A number of people died and thousands needed medical attention. A class action, the largest ever brought before the courts in Great Britain, is being brought by the people of Abijan. Liz Mackean travels to the Ivory Coast to investigate the story
There was a programme about it broadcast on the world service 17th May 09
Listen at link.
http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#29yzX7/www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p003010n/
sinnain
13-10-2009, 09:29 AM
Let's Gag Carter-Ruck
Hosted By: Flashmob
Hashtag: #gagCarterRuck
To protest against the Guardian Gag, ordered by Carter-Ruck, blocking reporting of the goings on of our OWN PARLIAMENT (and for no other reason than the protection of corrupt private enterprise) we are going to GAG THEM
Silent flashmob, come stand silently out side the offices of Carter-Ruck (map below), gagged with a piece of black fabric.
We won't be breaking the law, they, and the people they represent are.
Nearest Tubes: Chancery Lane, Faringdon.
Hashtag: #gagCarterRuck
Take pictures, get the noise out there.
More info:
The gag is generally considered in the Blogosphere to be to do with toxic dumping by the reprehensible Trafigura, to read more about their appalling practices read here or listen here. You can also follow the #guardiangag hastag on twitter for more reactions.
"[Trafigura] has also threatened journalists in the Netherlands and Norway, but the law is less kind to such plaintiffs in those countries, and its threats were taken less seriously.
In Britain, libel (or defamation) is used as the rich man's sedition law, stifling criticism and exposure of all kinds of malpractice" Monboit writing here
Speak out against enforced silence.
Thursday, October 15 at 1:00pm (BST) 6 St Andrew Street, London EC4A 3AE
bones
13-10-2009, 09:39 AM
is this the thing we keep seeing about pirates? sry im a bit behind on things as ive been away!!!
yozhik
13-10-2009, 09:40 AM
I've just looked up Peter Carter-Ruck in Wikipedia and it says this:
Carter-Ruck's former firm, which bears his name, remains active in high-profile defamation cases. In Sept, 2009, the Guardian claimed that Carter-Ruck had recently demanded it to delete published articles relating to the Trafigura toxic oil disaster, saying it was "gravely defamatory" and "untrue" to say that Trafigura's waste had been dumped cheaply and could have caused deaths and serious injuries. The Guardian claimed that, later, Trafigura agreed to pay compensation to 31,000 west African victims. The Guardian also alleged that other media outlets in Holland and Norway were also threatened with gagging actions. [6]
In October 2009, The Guardian reported that it was forbidden to report in a parliamentary matter, being "forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented – for the first time in memory – from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret. The only fact the Guardian can report is that the case involves the London solicitors Carter-Ruck." The paper further claimed that this case appears "to call into question privileges guaranteeing free speech established under the 1688 Bill of Rights".[7]
The question subject to the gagging order would appear to be:
"N Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, what assessment he has made of the effectiveness of legislation to protect (a) whistleblowers and (b) press freedom following the injunctions obtained in the High Court by (i) Barclays and Freshfields solicitors on 19 March 2009 on the publication of internal Barclays reports documenting alleged tax avoidance schemes and (ii) Trafigura and Carter-Ruck solicitors on 11 September 2009 on the publication of the Minton report on the alleged dumping of toxic waste in the Ivory Coast, commissioned by Trafigura."
Freshfields?
Aren't they also the Bank of England's solicitors?
Same names, same families, same bullshit ... time and time again.
sinnain
13-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Minton report: Trafigura toxic dumping along the Ivory Coast broke EU regulations, 14 Sep 2006
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Minton_report:_Trafigura_Toxic_dumping_along_the_I vory_Coast_broke_EU_regulations%2C_14_Sep_2006
ennui
13-10-2009, 12:56 PM
The Twitterverse is going mental for #trafigura and I suspect that by the time all this is over far more people will be aware of the controversy swirling around Trafigura's African adventures than would have been the case had they kept quiet and not attempted to silence the press. Combating this sort of bullying, however, is one thing the blogosphere is good at.
There is, at the time of writing, no mention of this story on the BBC's website. Why on earth not?
flamesong
13-10-2009, 01:12 PM
The best place for insight into Carter-Fuck (as they are known) and pre-emptive high court orders is Private Eye - though they have been prevented from publishing details just as The Guardian has.
ennui
13-10-2009, 01:13 PM
How UK oil company Trafigura tried to cover up African pollution disaster (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/16/trafigura-oil-ivory-coast)
amaralsright
13-10-2009, 01:25 PM
Carter Ruck are indeed the lawyers of the McCanns.
They are bullies and stifle freedom of speech whenever they can using all means possible.
All critics of the McCanns have now been silenced because of them mostly with threats of legal action. Their targets simply can not afford the financial cost of a legal battle with these people.
They even managed to silence the Portuguese police officer who wrote a book about the case. They had the book removed from the bookshelves and Amaral is not allowed to talk about the case in public EVEN THOUGH FREEDOM OF OPINION IS ENSHRINED IN THE PORTUGUESE CONSTITUTION.
They are powerful people. To fight them you need BIG MONEY.
This is a sick world.
ennui
13-10-2009, 01:33 PM
It is indeed a sick world. They were talking about Vanessa George on the TV last night (women who abused kids at a nursery) and showed that she was co-operating with the police until her lawyer arrived and told her to go 'no comment'. As a result she refused to say which children had been abused. How can that lawyer sleep at night?
goldenbear
13-10-2009, 02:22 PM
Carter Ruck are indeed the lawyers of the McCanns.
They are bullies and stifle freedom of speech whenever they can using all means possible.
All critics of the McCanns have now been silenced because of them mostly with threats of legal action. Their targets simply can not afford the financial cost of a legal battle with these people.
They even managed to silence the Portuguese police officer who wrote a book about the case. They had the book removed from the bookshelves and Amaral is not allowed to talk about the case in public EVEN THOUGH FREEDOM OF OPINION IS ENSHRINED IN THE PORTUGUESE CONSTITUTION.
They are powerful people. To fight them you need BIG MONEY.
This is a sick world.
we all know they had something to do with it.why silence people.i just feel for that poor girl being used like that (better shut me cakehole or ill get sued)
well its nothing new about the papers being silenced.it just confirms that they are a puppet too.
well i wont be silenced. they can go stick their head up their freemason/illuminate/nwo/lizard asses and go and suck poo.(isnt that a freemason handshake?):D
thank f"%& for forums like this. we can all have a say.
amaralsright
13-10-2009, 02:28 PM
thank f"%& for forums like this. we can all have a say.
Carter Ruck have shut down at least two websites that openly discussed the Madeleine McCann case.
3A's and Madeleine Foundation are no more.
These are very powerful people.
You think we have free speech?
Think again.
keithm
13-10-2009, 02:36 PM
government loves you,
they wouldn't hide things from you,
they only want what's best for you,
thieving, corrupt,murdering bastards.
rodin
13-10-2009, 02:38 PM
Freshfields have a history in Africa
Two of the biggest names in the City of London had previously undisclosed links to slavery in the British colonies, documents seen by the Financial Times have revealed.
Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the banking family’s 19th-century patriarch, and James William Freshfield, founder of Freshfields, the top City law firm, benefited financially from slavery, records from the National Archives show, even though both have often been portrayed as opponents of slavery.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7c0f5014-628c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=htt p://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c0f5014-628c-11de-b1c9-00144feabdc0.html%3Fnclick_check%26nclick_check%3D 1&_i_referer=http://www.bing.com/search%3Fq%3Dfreshfields%2Brothschild%2Bgates%26go %3D%26form%3DQBRE%26filt%3Dall%26qs%3Dn&nclick_check=1
vetis
13-10-2009, 02:45 PM
this is not really new, the UK is known for having one of the least free press in the world. The UN have commented on it several times, its all over wikileaks.
What is strange is that these gag orders usually say that the papers cannot even say there is one in place.
bluefeather
13-10-2009, 07:44 PM
this subject is being discussed now on channel 4 news
Ian2day
13-10-2009, 07:54 PM
The toxic item is a cover. A big massive red Herring.
rodin
13-10-2009, 08:02 PM
Another recent odd story of piracy on the high seas
Sources in Moscow further suggested that the Mossad may have used proxies to hijack the ship by establishing a criminal gang which, most likely, was not aware of the true reason for its mission. "The best way for the Israelis to block the cargo from reaching Iran would have been to create a lot of noise around the ship," a former army officer told the paper.
"Once the news of the hijack broke, the game was up for the arms dealers. The Russians had to act. That's why I don't rule out [the] Mossad being behind the hijacking. It stopped the shipment and gave the Kremlin a way out so that it can now claim it mounted a brilliant rescue mission."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1251804497690
Is there a connection? Apart from 'ship' and 'recent'?
rodin
13-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Trafigura is a Swiss-based multinational company founded in 1993 trading in base metals and energy, including oil. Trafigura was set up by Claude Dauphin and Eric de Turkheim, who had worked as oil traders at Glencore.[4] It split off from a group of companies managed by Marc Rich in 1993.[2]
Trafigura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wow Marc Rich the Jewish crook pardoned by Bill Clinton the Red Chinese espionage agent, now we're on to something...
...maybe :confused:
Marc Rich (born Marc David Reich on December 18, 1934) is an international commodities trader. He created the spot market for crude oil in the 1970s [1]. He was indicted in the United States on federal charges of illegally making oil deals with Iran during the late 1970s-early 1980s Iran hostage crisis and tax evasion. He was in Switzerland at the time of the indictment and has never returned to the U.S. He subsequently received a presidential pardon from U.S. President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001, Clinton's last day in office.
getting interesting
Marc Rich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
'Rich' lol
Now the original Hebrew lyric for the theme tune for 'Fiddler on the Roof' (another topic du jour) went' If I were a Rothschild' so there's another lead for you...
More fun
In his February 18, 2001, op-ed essay in the The New York Times, Clinton (by then out of office) explained why he pardoned Rich, noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of the Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center, concluded that no crime was committed
Oh well he was innocent then
wow what a mine of dots to connect from that Marc Rich Wikipedia entry ... goes to Ahmadinejad whose roots are under observation...
mightiswrong
13-10-2009, 10:13 PM
The MadeleineFoundation.org is alive and well. They just moved the site offshore. Carter Ruck will now have to try and get them in the states. http://madeleinefoundation.org
caz111
13-10-2009, 11:00 PM
Carter-Ruck are not dissimilar to Schillings
In fact, at least three lawyers at Carter-Ruck have come from Schillings, Hanna Basha, Felicity Robinson and Michelle Riondel.
Schillings have attempted to effect a gag order on various websites on the internet to prevent the public from knowing that that there is a clear (electronic) connection between Ark Academies and the Dutroux scandal (about the sexual abuse, torture and murder of children scandal in Belgium in the late 1990's).
Ark Academies sponsor schools in the UK.
First Schillings letter:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Schillings_legal_demands_to_EUTruth.Org_over_EIM_C hair_Arpad_Busson
Censored video:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/EIMConsult_censored_video
Refutation:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:EIMConsult_censored_video
Second Schillings letter:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Schillings_legal_threat_re_Arpad_Busson%2C_EIM_Gro up_and_ARK_Schools_to_911forum.org.uk_hoster%2C_16 _Dec_2008
Refutation:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:Schillings_legal_threat_re_Arpad_Busson,_EIM_ Group_and_ARK_Schools_to_911forum.org.uk_hoster,_1 6_Dec_2008#ARK.2C_Ron_Beller.2C_and_subprime_mortg ages
Ark's eugenics programme now in place in UK schools:
ARK Schools, Academies and eugenics. The John Adam St Gang. - YouTube
grenadene
14-10-2009, 08:27 AM
My apologies for this actually being yesterdays news, but I've only just come across it.
Yesterday it said amongst other things....
"The Guardian is also forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented -for the first time in memory - from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret.
The only fact that the Guardian can report is that the case involves the London solicitors Carter-Ruck, who specialise in suing the media for clients, who include individuals and corporations...."
Today it emerges that this is connection to the dumping of toxic waste on the Ivory Coast..... I know this is only a day in the life of these corporations, but it's not often that 'hush up' gets so much attention.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/13/trafigura-drops-gag-guardian-oil
- there's quite an interesting interview on the page :)
A bit more here - http://order-order.com/2009/10/12/guardian-gagged-from-reporting-parliament/
gilly
14-10-2009, 08:29 AM
Merged two threads. :)
grenadene
14-10-2009, 08:32 AM
Merged two threads. :)
Cheers Gilly..... I'm half asleep and a day late, so it's a good job someone is on the ball :)