Mother refused wine at Morrisons

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Mother is refused wine at Morrisons – in case daughter, 17, drinks it

Morrisons supermarket condemned for 'absurd' interpretation of rules on alcohol sales to young people

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/oct/11/morrisons-wine-ban-mother?CMP=AFCYAH

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2009/10/10/1255176862900/Jackie-and-Emily-Slater-001.jpg

[candygirl]

For goodness sake!:eek:

[truth finder]

what a joke.....i bet the girl behind the counter was just legal age....

[sam bless]

i don't see the problem here.

having worked at many different types of bars the policy with i'd is always the same. if they look younger than 21 you have to i.d them. no i.d, no sale. if you suspect a person who is older than 21 to be buying alchohol for somebody who isn't you should refuse them service or i.d the person if they are with them. the bar i'm with now have mystery shoppers to come and try and get alchohol without i.d, if you serve them, that's a £500 fine right there!!!! it's not worth risking!

[truth finder]

it might be policy....but its still wrong.

[candygirl]

maybe Legal not lawful.
The world has gone policy mad turning everyone into guard dogs over the sheeple:eek:

[rollotomaz1]

Mother is refused wine at Morrisons – in case daughter, 17, drinks it

Morrisons supermarket condemned for 'absurd' interpretation of rules on alcohol sales to young people

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/oct/11/morrisons-wine-ban-mother?CMP=AFCYAH

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2009/10/10/1255176862900/Jackie-and-Emily-Slater-001.jpg

If we had a more Mediteranian outlook into wine and alcohol it might help the stigma of younger people drinking it,

We have totally lost the outlook of real family values where everything stems from, alcohol is everywhere today.

Education is the key factor.

[ben black]

I went to the local co-op for a bottle of wine - where I have been going for 4 years - and was asked for ID. I didn't have any on me, just the tenner for the wine.

They refused to sell it to me.

I am 34 - and do not look young for my age ( unfortunately)

I will not go there anymore.

[wakeup2nwo]

i can see straight through this bullshit! its just another way for people to NEED to carry there ID around with them all the time, people will get really pissed off because they dont usually carry there ID, so the goverment will offer the solution as they always do, the solution will be the RFID chip implant, "you will never leave your house without it" problem solved :mad: another problem, reaction, solution... you have to show id if you look under 25 now and ive seen many people getting pissed off at the shop keepers because they havent got any id and have to walk all the way home to fetch it, they always end up calling the shopkeeper names and will probably never use that shop again.. it happened to me a few weeks back and im 28, ive never used that co-op again, it really pissed me off! :D

[ben black]

i can see straight through this bullshit! its just another way for people to NEED to carry there ID around with them all the time, people will get really pissed off because they dont usually carry there ID, so the goverment will offer the solution as they always do, the solution will be the RFID chip implant,

I was just about to post the same thing.

bloody bastards!!!

[badnews1983]

Bunch of Nazis

[krakhead]

Even if she WAS going to allow her daughters to drink it at home - that's still legal. The legal issue surrounds the purchase of alcohol not the actual drinking.

[bobbydiva]

Even if she WAS going to allow her daughters to drink it at home - that's still legal. The legal issue surrounds the purchase of alcohol not the actual drinking.

Yeah wtf
It wasn't exactly a bottle of white lightening either.

[godspeed]

here comes the check-out girl

to hand you over to the thought police......

IM AS MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS..........

NO MORE

what a fucking laugh this nanny state is...........:D

[signalnorth]

Staff have to be 18 to serve you with alcohol. Insist they show proof of it next time you come across this. Say to them I'll show you my id and proof of age after youve shown me yours. Don't move until they do and ask to see the Manager. use the law against them

[wildhorse]

Staff have to be 18 to serve you with alcohol. Insist they show proof of it next time you come across this. Say to them I'll show you my id and proof of age after youve shown me yours. Don't move until they do and ask to see the Manager. use the law against them

:D

it amazes me that some peeps get all hitler in their positions of vocation, and start being dicks towards the rest of us...right little jobsworths...its these types we have to watch out for just as much as tptb, as its these types who will pathetically roll staright over for scraps of power to lord it over us. They are usually spineless as a coincidence. :rolleyes:

I would have challenged that check out assistant and done her for libel...suggesting that I was a bad mother to buy alchohol for my daughter, without a proof of claim. But I am a bitch like that ;)

[cpfc12]

HAHHA fucking doting middle class cunts
oh my teenage yuppie daughter couldn't drink wine with her friends and take pictures on facebook to discuss their newly urban lives

Yeah the guardian are like all the other papers, they are just their to make the middle class liberals feel confident about themselves, and feel like they are recieving a different more sophisticated news, but it is just the same, as the rest just in a more sneaky way

[cpfc12]

:D

it amazes me that some peeps get all hitler in their positions of vocation, and start being dicks towards the rest of us...right little jobsworths...its these types we have to watch out for just as much as tptb, as its these types who will pathetically roll staright over for scraps of power to lord it over us. They are usually spineless as a coincidence. :rolleyes:

I would have challenged that check out assistant and done her for libel...suggesting that I was a bad mother to buy alchohol for my daughter, without a proof of claim. But I am a bitch like that ;)

true at the same time you can't always blame them, she might have had a bollocking before for doing the same thing, you never can really say
the papers choose to miss out the little details like that :P

[wildhorse]

true at the same time you can't always blame them, she might have had a bollocking before for doing the same thing, you never can really say
the papers choose to miss out the little details like that :P

aye true...but this still smacks of ridiculousness

[manxboz]

I had a similar experience, i went in to buy some wine for cooking with and as i had my girlfriend with me (she was 2 weeks from her 18 and i was 20) i wasn't allowed to buy it. But it was tescos.

[chateaux]

Well I have made my own ID which works fine. Never been queried.

[cpfc12]

ever since i was 15 i have looked old enough to get serverd and its only in places like surrey and kent they give a toss, in inner london, they are more concernerd with crack and heroin than kiddies getting their alcopops

[vetis]

Well I have made my own ID which works fine. Never been queried.

the point is no-one should have to in a free society. everyone should refuse to buy any alcohol from these places and see how long the policy lasts when their profits take a massive dive.

[lord hereford]

Ridiculous! There seems to be more and more stories like this going around. I've been ID'd a few times recently, for the first time in years (I'm 28 and most people would say I look it). I bet as soon as I start to look old enough not to be hassled they'll bring in "Challenge 35" or whatver. Maybe I should just dye my hair and beard grey?

[darkman]

I went to the local co-op for a bottle of wine - where I have been going for 4 years - and was asked for ID. I didn't have any on me, just the tenner for the wine.

They refused to sell it to me.

I am 34 - and do not look young for my age ( unfortunately)

I will not go there anymore.

and i would write to the manager that you was disgusted that the counter assitant was judging you on looks , i havent bin to a supermarket for wine or beer now in 4 yrs i just go the little corner shops that aprricate custom , dont put up with it its slowley getting you all in the mind set of being i.d.
or failing eny attempt to get some make your own its cheaper and tastes better and easy to do out of 1 mix i get 6 bottles of wine works out a £1 a bottle and its all organic


BOYCOTT THE SUPERMARKETS AND THERE LWAS AND POLICYS

[northernmonkey]

I work in a supermarket and we have a think 30 policy at the moment. This is because my supermarket has been caught twice selling alcohol to minors(that the police sent in) so once more and they loose their license!

It is stupid & I feel like an idiot asking over 25s for ID but what can I do as I don't want to get fined & get a criminal record.

[sir bentley drummle]

A store refused to sell me (spray paint) laquer my wife had asked me to buy for her craft work, because my then 17 year old son was helping me load the items onto the belt

They said he might vandalise something with it (:confused:) and I could be buying it for him - I pointed out it was lacquer not paint, but they would not budge - In disgust I walked out and left a trolley full of goods on the belt

I used to spend a lot of money there but they have lost my patronage - vote with your feet that's what I say and let them glory in their stupid policies

[wildhorse]

I work in a supermarket and we have a think 30 policy at the moment. This is because my supermarket has been caught twice selling alcohol to minors(that the police sent in) so once more and they loose their license!

It is stupid & I feel like an idiot asking over 25s for ID but what can I do as I don't want to get fined & get a criminal record.

I thought it was only under 18s that couldnt buy alcohol? Wonder your supermarket just doesnt serve those who cant prove they are over 18, not 25

[wildhorse]

A store refused to sell me (spray paint) laquer my wife had asked me to buy for her craft work, because my then 17 year old son was helping me load the items onto the belt

They said he might vandalise something with it (:confused:) and I could be buying it for him - I pointed out it was lacquer not paint, but they would not budge - In disgust I walked out and left a trolley full of goods on the belt

I used to spend a lot of money there but they have lost my patronage - vote with your feet that's what I say and let them glory in their stupid policies

:D

abso-fucking-lutely!!

[kanz]

A store refused to sell me (spray paint) laquer my wife had asked me to buy for her craft work, because my then 17 year old son was helping me load the items onto the belt

They said he might vandalise something with it (:confused:) and I could be buying it for him - I pointed out it was lacquer not paint, but they would not budge - In disgust I walked out and left a trolley full of goods on the belt

I used to spend a lot of money there but they have lost my patronage - vote with your feet that's what I say and let them glory in their stupid policies

Yeah I can just imagine your son covering all those new wall's with a nice wet coat of lacquer lol

Yeah the id thing is a cunt, dosn't bother me to much as i do have a babby face :D. Tho what drives me round the bend , is when they start Id'ing people who are with you.
It's got to the point you have to tell your friend's to fuck off before you hit the counter as if they don't they will get id'd and then your gona have to make a big scene cause they don't have any but it's you who want's the drink.

[diamond dogs]

A store refused to sell me (spray paint) laquer my wife had asked me to buy for her craft work, because my then 17 year old son was helping me load the items onto the belt

They said he might vandalise something with it (:confused:) and I could be buying it for him - I pointed out it was lacquer not paint, but they would not budge - In disgust I walked out and left a trolley full of goods on the belt

I used to spend a lot of money there but they have lost my patronage - vote with your feet that's what I say and let them glory in their stupid policies

I was in a Morrisons store recently and I had a fake £1 coin that I had been handed in change..I was unaware of it, the checkout lady spotted it was going to refuse to give it back to me..I demanded the coin back to take back to the place where it was given to me (a fish shop) eventually she agreed..I left the other stuff on the conveyor and told her I didn't want to shop there any more ...

I don't give a damn about 'The Law' if I hadn't got my £1 back then a trolley would have gone missing or the like...it would have cost them more in the end

[ndc777]

About 5 years ago a canteen in a government building in Westminster where I worked refused to sell me a 30p chocolate bar because I tried to pay with 5p coins.

The excuse the lady at the till gave was that she didn't want to end up with a load of low-value coins (so what would she supposed to give as change then?)

[danster82]

I had to buy a box of fags for a mate they looked at me and umm and arred and grudgingly sold them to me say "yeah ok"....

Im 27 years old and already half bald, it was strange, where the sanity gone? Lady selling the fags was younger than me.

[branjo]

i don't see the problem here.

having worked at many different types of bars the policy with i'd is always the same. if they look younger than 21 you have to i.d them. no i.d, no sale. if you suspect a person who is older than 21 to be buying alchohol for somebody who isn't you should refuse them service or i.d the person if they are with them. the bar i'm with now have mystery shoppers to come and try and get alchohol without i.d, if you serve them, that's a £500 fine right there!!!! it's not worth risking!

So then if a person uses a "driving license" to prover their age and are alone, that's ok, but then by that form of ID you know they are going to get into a car right away, so if they drink all the alcohol they purchased from you and kill themselves or a family of four in the process of driving home, then ethically your ok with that?

I would take a guess here that 5 times out of 10, the deaths caused by alcohol were not people who had actually taken the alcohol. Drunk drivers for instance usually from my own perception get away without a scratch.

Fundamentally the act of selling alcohol is no different than selling illegal drugs. Ethics didn't define the legality of it, profits and distribution did.

[darkman]

As i say its all building you up to accepte having i.d with you ... little stepping stone more to the i.d.card scheme ..HALT IN THE STREET WHERE IS YOUR I.D. fascism at its best and your putting up with it

[drhemp]

Less reasons to shop at Morrisons.

Wankers.

[the nine]

if they wont serve alcahol because you look too young and have no id..then what would happen if you accidentally dropped the wine and it smashed..would you still have to pay for it, as technically they cant sell it to you..;)

[hollo]

id is a shit idea end of!

everything should be legal
rather than have legality have morality?

eg at court its not "2 years rape or 16 for murder"
but each case looked into seperatly
as every case is different!! and rather than prison for everything
(which is very cushy) educate them in why they are really there
and mentor/help/guide them on the right path!!

[fedora]

I hope the Brits forgive me here since I am not familiar with your laws in the UK regarding alcohol. In the states we are allowed to legally brew our own alcohol. Pretty much as much as we want as long as we don't try to sell it or distill it without a license. I would take the money you planned to use for the purchase of your wine and invest in a few basic brewing supplies. Since it seems like that store and others are too afraid of making money. I would also make it a point every time I came in the store that I don't bother with purchasing wine at the supermarket since it is more convenient and cost effective to make it at home and I would make sure to relay that to the staff at the store. Plus I believe your government hits you guys harder on sales tax for alcohol. When their profits start to dry up they may get back to customer service. When I was brewing I could turn out a keg/half barrel /15.5 gallons/58.67 liters of a good ale 7.5% to 8% ABV for about $26 USD/16.27 pounds. Wine can be made for about $65 USD/40.67 pounds for 6 US Gallons/ 23 liters/ almost 31 bottles. Granted the price I quoted for beer was if you're doing it from scratch i.e. mashing, lautering, boiling, fermenting, aging etc. Yet the price I quoted for wine is right on if you are using a simple kit, which only requires you to ferment and age it. Ultimately, you end up with a better product for cheaper and you take some of your freedom back. Brewing science can be as complex or as easy as you want it to be. You can turn a good product with proper sanitation and basic instructions in no time. I knew a Brit a few years back who said he did it because the taxes were so high so I assume that it is legal to do there unless things have changed.

[truth finder]

if they wont serve alcahol because you look too young and have no id..then what would happen if you accidentally dropped the wine and it smashed..would you still have to pay for it, as technically they cant sell it to you..;)




Good point......

[angelmoon]

i was at somerfield store it was about 8.30pm and behind me in the que was a man around 45/50ish he had been out from work and had a couple of beers with friends and was buying bread milk and 2 bottles of wine the assistant refused to serve him with the wine saying she could smell drink on him!!!!!!!!

i couldn't believe my ears, he was by no means drunk, i offered to buy them and they wouldn't allow it, he was none to please but i was mouthing off more than him, sadly the assistant was enjoying the power of this,

This country is fecked, how do you get anywhere when you are dealing with power mad wankers??????????:mad::(:confused:

[yozhik]

i can see straight through this bullshit! its just another way for people to NEED to carry there ID around with them all the time, people will get really pissed off because they dont usually carry there ID, so the goverment will offer the solution as they always do, the solution will be the RFID chip implant, "you will never leave your house without it" problem solved :mad: another problem, reaction, solution... you have to show id if you look under 25 now and ive seen many people getting pissed off at the shop keepers because they havent got any id and have to walk all the way home to fetch it, they always end up calling the shopkeeper names and will probably never use that shop again.. it happened to me a few weeks back and im 28, ive never used that co-op again, it really pissed me off! :D

This is the old Soviet 'internal passport' system.

To this day, Russians still have two passports; one internal, one for international travel.

This new policy being enforced by the supermarkets is good old fashioned Soviet bloc Socialism.

Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.

[wake_up_bomb]

If we had a more Mediteranian outlook into wine and alcohol it might help the stigma of younger people drinking it,

We have totally lost the outlook of real family values where everything stems from, alcohol is everywhere today.

Education is the key factor.
Completely agree - I was bored of drinking and getting drunk in particular by the time I was 18!

[disorder2k8]

i don't see the problem here.

having worked at many different types of bars the policy with i'd is always the same. if they look younger than 21 you have to i.d them. no i.d, no sale. if you suspect a person who is older than 21 to be buying alchohol for somebody who isn't you should refuse them service or i.d the person if they are with them. the bar i'm with now have mystery shoppers to come and try and get alchohol without i.d, if you serve them, that's a £500 fine right there!!!! it's not worth risking!

Thats part of the agenda to force ID's on everyone, now people will be so afraid of losing their jobs they will instinctively ask everyone, no matter what your age is and everyone will be required to have an ID to get served.

Although, you dont get asked for ID when you buy fruit, spices, bottles of water and brewers yeast. :cool:


If we had a more Mediteranian outlook into wine and alcohol it might help the stigma of younger people drinking it,

We have totally lost the outlook of real family values where everything stems from, alcohol is everywhere today.

Education is the key factor.

There havent been any real family values since the old days *


(probably 50's-70's were the last times people actually made progress as a family)

[hawks29]

A store refused to sell me (spray paint) laquer my wife had asked me to buy for her craft work, because my then 17 year old son was helping me load the items onto the belt

They said he might vandalise something with it (:confused:) and I could be buying it for him - I pointed out it was lacquer not paint, but they would not budge - In disgust I walked out and left a trolley full of goods on the belt

I used to spend a lot of money there but they have lost my patronage - vote with your feet that's what I say and let them glory in their stupid policies

Ha ha, thats what I did. Me and my wife did a shop and decided to have a couple of bottles of plonk. I got I.D'd,no problem as I am 30 but as my wife didn't have her I.D they wouldn't allow it. The whole trolley of stuff got left on the belt. This was over 6 months ago, straight away I though this is the way it will go to make people accept the I.D cards. Pricks

[batou]

Ridiculous! There seems to be more and more stories like this going around. I've been ID'd a few times recently, for the first time in years (I'm 28 and most people would say I look it). I bet as soon as I start to look old enough not to be hassled they'll bring in "Challenge 35" or whatver. Maybe I should just dye my hair and beard grey?

You have to look 40+ at Walmart in the US. :confused:

[belial]

Common Purpose...

... that's why this country is screwed.

[goldenbear]

is it thick of me but isnt there a law in the country to say under 18s can drink wine at home with their parents when having a meal.?

im sure there is.correct me if im wrong.

[the nine]

I hope the Brits forgive me here since I am not familiar with your laws in the UK regarding alcohol. In the states we are allowed to legally brew our own alcohol. Pretty much as much as we want as long as we don't try to sell it or distill it without a license. I would take the money you planned to use for the purchase of your wine and invest in a few basic brewing supplies. Since it seems like that store and others are too afraid of making money. I would also make it a point every time I came in the store that I don't bother with purchasing wine at the supermarket since it is more convenient and cost effective to make it at home and I would make sure to relay that to the staff at the store. Plus I believe your government hits you guys harder on sales tax for alcohol. When their profits start to dry up they may get back to customer service. When I was brewing I could turn out a keg/half barrel /15.5 gallons/58.67 liters of a good ale 7.5% to 8% ABV for about $26 USD/16.27 pounds. Wine can be made for about $65 USD/40.67 pounds for 6 US Gallons/ 23 liters/ almost 31 bottles. Granted the price I quoted for beer was if you're doing it from scratch i.e. mashing, lautering, boiling, fermenting, aging etc. Yet the price I quoted for wine is right on if you are using a simple kit, which only requires you to ferment and age it. Ultimately, you end up with a better product for cheaper and you take some of your freedom back. Brewing science can be as complex or as easy as you want it to be. You can turn a good product with proper sanitation and basic instructions in no time. I knew a Brit a few years back who said he did it because the taxes were so high so I assume that it is legal to do there unless things have changed.

I too have made elderberry wine in the past from wild elderberries growing locally..
it very very nice too :)
I have never attempted to brew beer as my friends grandad used to make tonnes of the stuff and it was absolutely awful..
in all honesty, what was you beer like to taste, not the strength?

but yes,I to think we all should brew or make something we consume if we want to survive and exchange goods in the dark economically crashed future which people are predicting..

[docsavage]

This subject was talked about on Radio 2 jeremy vine show 12/10/09. A Morrisons spokesman explained that the Police said that they had done the right thing by refusing to sell the wine.

Later on in the show it was said that in another supermarket a 80 year old man was asked for ID he did not have any so was refused.

I am pretty sure that the legal age for drinking alcohol in the home in the UK is 5 years old. Its a wonder no one has tried to change this law.

[docsavage]

I am pretty sure that the legal age for drinking alcohol in the home in the UK is 5 years old. Its a wonder no one has tried to change this law.

I checked this out and the PC brigade are trying to change the law:mad:

[fedora]

in all honesty, what was you beer like to taste, not the strength?


I brewed for about 5 years straight. I was making big batches(A keg at a time and from scratch i.e. no kits) and I always received a lot of compliments. The beer I made was of good quality and clean taste. I did read a lot of books on brewing science, However, I attribute my success mostly to good sanitation. You have to sterilize everything the beer comes in contact with after it cools below 180 degrees from the boil. I had dinner with George Reisch who at the time was head brewmaster for Anhieser-Busch. He knew I home brewed and asked me in front of a crowd of people what I thought was the most important thing in brewing and I responded sanitation and he knodded and said, "That's right". You can know the intricacies of brewing science, but if your sanitation is poor your beer will almost always taste like crap. On the other hand you can be a beginner and if you make sure and clean everything and follow the basics you will turn out a batch of beer to be proud of. My most popular beers were:
Pumpkin Ale
India Pale Ale
Chocolate-Coffee Stout
AltBier
Barley Wine - My Scottish Mother-in-Law's favorite
I also tried my hand at making Mead with good results. You can do it if you want. Let me know and I can suggest some good books to get started. I also learned a lot of good techniques from reading articles on European brewing operations as well as interviews with craft brewers here in America. Out of all the batches I made I only had one come out bad. That was when I was trying to make a lager from a new untested recipe and was lax on temperature control. Lagers are a little more work in the fermentation stage because the yeast strain requires more attention than Ale and I got a little careless.

Cheers!

[fedora]

This subject was talked about on Radio 2 jeremy vine show 12/10/09. A Morrisons spokesman explained that the Police said that they had done the right thing by refusing to sell the wine.

Later on in the show it was said that in another supermarket a 80 year old man was asked for ID he did not have any so was refused.


Sounds like some of your police and officials had a bowl of "stupid" for breakfast and are every bit the dumb robots we encounter over here in the states on an increasing frequency. The more they try and control things the more they muck things up.

[antinwo]

Just go to Tesco instead:rolleyes:

[the nine]

I brewed for about 5 years straight. I was making big batches(A keg at a time and from scratch i.e. no kits) and I always received a lot of compliments. The beer I made was of good quality and clean taste. I did read a lot of books on brewing science, However, I attribute my success mostly to good sanitation. You have to sterilize everything the beer comes in contact with after it cools below 180 degrees from the boil. I had dinner with George Reisch who at the time was head brewmaster for Anhieser-Busch. He knew I home brewed and asked me in front of a crowd of people what I thought was the most important thing in brewing and I responded sanitation and he knodded and said, "That's right". You can know the intricacies of brewing science, but if your sanitation is poor your beer will almost always taste like crap. On the other hand you can be a beginner and if you make sure and clean everything and follow the basics you will turn out a batch of beer to be proud of. My most popular beers were:
Pumpkin Ale
India Pale Ale
Chocolate-Coffee Stout
AltBier
Barley Wine - My Scottish Mother-in-Law's favorite
I also tried my hand at making Mead with good results. You can do it if you want. Let me know and I can suggest some good books to get started. I also learned a lot of good techniques from reading articles on European brewing operations as well as interviews with craft brewers here in America. Out of all the batches I made I only had one come out bad. That was when I was trying to make a lager from a new untested recipe and was lax on temperature control. Lagers are a little more work in the fermentation stage because the yeast strain requires more attention than Ale and I got a little careless.

Cheers!

i would be very interested in brewing belgian style wheat or white beer which is an ale.. my favourite beer in the world!:)

http://www.ibrew.com.sg/Hoegaarden%20Recipe.asp

http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=4376

notice the price difference..you are spot on fed..

you sound very proficient in your brewing skills and I would be gratefull for your reccomendations, thanks :)

[fedora]

i would be very interested in brewing belgian style wheat or white beer which is an ale.. my favourite beer in the world!:)



I am happy you are interested in it. You will be happy with yourself if you end up giving it a go. It is my belief that anyone can make great beer. They just need two things. Good sanitation and the drive to do it. The best book I can recommend to anyone getting started would be “The New Complete Joy Of Home Brewing”, by Charlie Papazian. Most home brewers consider this to be the “bible” of home brewing. It as been out for decades and has been reprint. My own copy has a copyright of 1983. You might even be lucky enough to find a copy in your local library. I took a quick check and book suppliers also have it. You probably will purchase your own copy if you continue to brew. This book is good because it starts you off using basic techniques and you’re brewing your first batch rather quickly. It then has sections, which move you towards intermediate and advanced skills. Also, you can subscribe to byo magazine. They have a website at www.byo.com . There are a wealth of articles and recipes from all over the world on there. After you brew for a while and you find yourself wanting to take a deeper look at the microbiology/chemistry of brewing then a good book suggestion would be, “Principles of Brewing Science” by George Fix, Ph.D. You mentioned you wanted a good Belgian style and Witbier recipe. The first book I mentioned has recipes for both styles. I like Belgian Ales because the Belgians are known for their experimentation. An example is when they make Lambic style ale they are actually making the beer with a controlled bacterial infection. As the yeast ferments and creates the alcohol the bacteria die off and leave their flavor characteristics. Don’t let that scare you though, because the beer is pathogen free once fermentation is complete. No known pathogen can live in finished beer. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck!

[the nine]

I am happy you are interested in it. You will be happy with yourself if you end up giving it a go. It is my belief that anyone can make great beer. They just need two things. Good sanitation and the drive to do it. The best book I can recommend to anyone getting started would be “The New Complete Joy Of Home Brewing”, by Charlie Papazian. Most home brewers consider this to be the “bible” of home brewing. It as been out for decades and has been reprint. My own copy has a copyright of 1983. You might even be lucky enough to find a copy in your local library. I took a quick check and book suppliers also have it. You probably will purchase your own copy if you continue to brew. This book is good because it starts you off using basic techniques and you’re brewing your first batch rather quickly. It then has sections, which move you towards intermediate and advanced skills. Also, you can subscribe to byo magazine. They have a website at www.byo.com . There are a wealth of articles and recipes from all over the world on there. After you brew for a while and you find yourself wanting to take a deeper look at the microbiology/chemistry of brewing then a good book suggestion would be, “Principles of Brewing Science” by George Fix, Ph.D. You mentioned you wanted a good Belgian style and Witbier recipe. The first book I mentioned has recipes for both styles. I like Belgian Ales because the Belgians are known for their experimentation. An example is when they make Lambic style ale they are actually making the beer with a controlled bacterial infection. As the yeast ferments and creates the alcohol the bacteria die off and leave their flavor characteristics. Don’t let that scare you though, because the beer is pathogen free once fermentation is complete. No known pathogen can live in finished beer. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck!

thanks you very much for your advice..:)
I have just purchased the Charlie Papazian book from amazon for £8 ..happy days..

its the belgian style beer which has hooked me..I pay between £2.50 and £3.20 for each bottle of hoegaarden depending on where I shop..morrisons being the cheapest (:o)
the uk govern-rent are considering increasing the cost of alcohol to stop binge drinking :rolleyes:
so the like of us must pay more for the actions of the few..typical..I would love to stop buying alcohol full stop, and produce all my own needs ;)

thanks again fed.

[fedora]

thanks you very much for your advice..:)
I have just purchased the Charlie Papazian book from amazon for £8 ..happy days..

its the belgian style beer which has hooked me..I pay between £2.50 and £3.20 for each bottle of hoegaarden depending on where I shop..morrisons being the cheapest (:o)
the uk govern-rent are considering increasing the cost of alcohol to stop binge drinking :rolleyes:
so the like of us must pay more for the actions of the few..typical..I would love to stop buying alcohol full stop, and produce all my own needs ;)

thanks again fed.

My Pleasure. I cannot believe they charge so much! Those binge drinkers are going to drink themsleves into oblivion whether the taxes are high or not. Just another lame excuse for more revenue eh? A few years back I was in Sweden and Denmark and I am trying to remember how much I paid there for a pint. I do remember it being more expensive than here in the states even with me drinking only micro brews. Our government is toying with raising the taxes on alcohol as well. They really suck! Anyway, when you have some of your mates over and they are sampling your beer you should pass on what you have learned. For every bottle you brew that is less money in the government's pocket and more in your own. If you have any questions when you are starting out you are more than welcome to pm me. If you take a moment to read over the beginner's section of that book and remember good sanitation practices I am positive you'll turn out a great batch of beer. And yes it's OK to be proud of yourself when your mates are astonished at how good your beer tastes.

Cheers!

[the nine]

My Pleasure. I cannot believe they charge so much! Those binge drinkers are going to drink themsleves into oblivion whether the taxes are high or not. Just another lame excuse for more revenue eh? A few years back I was in Sweden and Denmark and I am trying to remember how much I paid there for a pint. I do remember it being more expensive than here in the states even with me drinking only micro brews. Our government is toying with raising the taxes on alcohol as well. They really suck! Anyway, when you have some of your mates over and they are sampling your beer you should pass on what you have learned. For every bottle you brew that is less money in the government's pocket and more in your own. If you have any questions when you are starting out you are more than welcome to pm me. If you take a moment to read over the beginner's section of that book and remember good sanitation practices I am positive you'll turn out a great batch of beer. And yes it's OK to be proud of yourself when your mates are astonished at how good your beer tastes.

Cheers!

you are very kind fedora, and I will take you up on your offer thanks again.:)