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danceswithbunnies

10-10-2009, 05:42 PM

Interesting Article on the Origin of Mystery Babylon:

http://therr9.wordpress.com/

(too many phallic symbols...you know?)

Take the following with a grain of salt...it does have some interesting bits:

People all over Planet Earth grow up being taught that Prostitution is the “World’s Oldest Profession.” BUT… it’s NOT.

So what is???

The world’s oldest accounts in Human History state the World’s Oldest Profession was/is RELIGION.

And Religion began after the Flood/Deluge in the Cradle of Civilization in Sumeria/Babylon after several Generations with the first Civilization and the first Tyrant Dictator King, Nimrod, alongside his incestuous Lover and Partner-in-Crime, his own mother, Semiramis the first Queen.

The old Book of Genesis begins after the Flood in Noah’s time as Patriarch in chapter 8, and continues until chapter 10 where the Generations of Noah’s sons begin.

There in Genesis 10:8-10, it tells of Noah’s son Ham who had begat his son Cush and then it tells of Cush’s son, Nimrod…

It says:

10:8 “And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a Mighty one in the Earth.

10:9 “He was a Mighty Hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the Mighty Hunter before the Lord.

10:10 “And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.”

So this Nimrod began in the Human Migration from the Ararat in modern Turkey where the Ark of Noah landed to modern Iraq where the old Garden of Eden was, to be the world’s first King/Royal “Elite” with his Queen-Mother Semiramis after the Flood and set up the world’s first Empire where modern Iraq is today.

The cursed son of Noah, Ham, gave birth to a number of sons. One of them was Cush (Genesis 10 : 6). Just before his death Cush took a beautiful young virgin named Semiramis for a wife. He died on the very next day after he had consummated his marriage with Semiramis, who thus became pregnant. Approximately nine months later in or about 2275 BC Semiramis gave birth to a posthumous son, now famous under the title of Nimrod. She claimed that she was a virgin and that Nimrod was a divine child born without any human contact. The Bible refutes this false claim as follows:-

“And Cush begat Nimrod : he began to be a mighty one in the earth” (Genesis 10 : 8).

Thus it is observed that Nimrod was the great-grandson of Noah through his cursed son Ham!

In all his 350 years after the deluge, Noah did not make himself king over his human family, even though he was the family head of the whole human race (Genesis 9:28). The reason apparently was that he looked upon the true God as his Ruler and King. Therefore, so long as Noah was alive, no question arose of any one being made a king over the human race.

Noah died in roughly 2020 BC. But Nimrod forcibly made himself the first king of mankind after the deluge about 2250 BC (about 230 years before the death of Noah).

This was the first recorded Dictator/Tyrant this side of the Flood/Deluge. Some equate Nimrod to the Gilgamesh character in Sumeria as it’s called today also.

Nimrod (in Hebrew “Na-marood”) has been derived from the Hebrew verb “Marad” which means “To rebel”. True to his title of “Nimrod”, this grandson of the cursed Ham, has become the source and origin of wickedness, rebellion and lasphemy throughout the earth.

As to Semiramis:

queen-semiramis

The Encyclopedia Britannica, Volume 24, edition of 1911, page 617, under Semiramis gives the following information :-

“Of this we already have evidence in (the ancient Greek historian) Herodotus, who ascribes to her the banks that confined the Euphrates (i.184) and knows her name as borne by a gate of Babylon (iii 155) . . . according to the legends, in her birth as well as in her disappearance from earth, Semiramis appears as a goddess, the daughter of the fish-goddess Atargatis, and herself connected with the doves of Ishtar or Astarte”.
(snip)

Nimrod had an illicit, incestuous relationship with his mother the World’s First virulent Satanic Feminist, Semiramis his Mommy, who was the first Queen-Mother of the first Empire Empire on Earth after the Flood.

Nimrod was equated to Orion the Hunter in the night sky constellation. That was the original Orion/Hunter.

Nimrod as Hunter sought Men and Women as slaves and servants and he and Semiramis hunted and killed Souls.

{my comment there is a verse in one of the prophets about someone who hunts souls}

Nimrod and Semiramis were Lovers; their Goal and Agenda was to restore the World and Earth to its old Sorceries and Occultism that were in the Earth before the Flood that got it wiped out that were taught to Humanity by the Fallen Angelic Host who came to Earth to mate with Human women to produce the Nephilim/Giants listed as old World idols/great men of renown and demi-gods as “Gibborim” in Genesis 6.

The Book of Enoch and other old texts state the Fallen Angelic Host descended to Earth on Mount Hermon in the Golan Heights in northern Israel near the huge pre-Flood Temple at Baalbek that men today couldn’t even move the huge stones with the biggest Technology today in Construction.
Mount Hermon sits at 33° Degrees in both Longitude/Latitude. Therein lies the Mystery of that Number that Occultists revere to this day often with no understanding of it.

So the Fallen Angelic Host taught Sorcery with very High Technology to Humanity and mingled with Human women and animals to infect the DNA all over Earth. Perhaps this is where some oddities in Animals like the Dinosaurs, wooly Mammoths, and Sabretooth Tigers came from before the Flood as genetic aberrations not discussed.

Carbon-14 dating is NOT accurate and even living mollusks have been tested with Carbon-14 and results saying they’d been dead millions of years. A more accurate Test is Potassium-Argon but this remains not discussed, and it reveals/confirms the Earth is the age listed in the Biblical text.

A number of old pre-Flood monuments exist that real Geology will confirm were eroded by saline/salt water and rock sludge of the Flood like the Temple at Baalbek, the city of Machu-Pichu in Peru, and the Pyramids and Sphynx on the Giza plateau.

So what Nimrod and Semiramis sought to do was resurrect the Technology and the Occult Sorceries of Pre-Flood Civilization. And so they set up the Mystery Cults that spread all over the Earth to this day.

Genesis 11 tells of the Tower of Babel incident where Human languages were confused and the building of the Tower stopped and the vast Human migrations began to the four quarters of Earth.

(rest at link)

cruise4

10-10-2009, 06:44 PM

Except that the knowledge of how to make you believe what they want is also emerging, in the shape of frequency weapons.

I believe I can always overpower this stuff via conciousness. To be honest I think most stuff these people get involved with on a tech level is unbelievably crap. OK I know there's 'secret' stuff but I bet it's still a shadow of what it could be if the free human race get their hands on it. I predict bluebeam will be a laughable failure immediately seen through by almost everyone. I hope they try it.

BTW, does anyone else think that EVERY SINGLE PROPHECY EVER FULFILLED was fulfilled by their actors, whether those actors knew they were acting or not?

Yes, I agree.

dedicate

10-10-2009, 07:03 PM

Or maybe they can't move forward without fulfilling Revelation. Nor can you. Nor can anything. That is the secret of Revelation; it is the blueprint for our civilization from start to finish; it is the blueprint of life. Much like the 78 card Tarot deck is the book of Revelation.

cruise4

10-10-2009, 08:45 PM

You mean it represents the unfolding path of a contracted obligation? Or just pre-destined?

amethyst

10-10-2009, 09:34 PM

clachan

10-10-2009, 10:08 PM

Of course it's a hoax.

They named a supercomputer that collects personal data on people from all nations "The Beast" - could they be anymore obvious that they are trying to fulfill an ancient prophecy?

It's all ridiculous. They want people to think it's Revelations because a bunch of idiot Christians running around doing nothing and shaking their hands at the sky crying "SAVE US SAVE US!" is exactly the type of thing they stand to benefit from.

These morons can be remolded into whatever new religion the elite decides to trick them into believing. They're not smart enough to see what's going on.

BTW, does anyone else think that EVERY SINGLE PROPHECY EVER FULFILLED was fulfilled by their actors, whether those actors knew they were acting or not?

Is is so absolutly necessary to lace every post you make with insults ?

Why ? Why? Why ?

In this country of over 60 million people and very few have the slightest interest in revelation....and the same goes for the UK,Australia ect ect.

No body is going to be running around crying "save me,save me"

Perhaps a few nutters from Alabama,but you Americans have this weird idea that the whole world is like the bible belt,we dont all walk around saying "have a blessed day"

So what is the point in staging an event for a small minority ?

Blue beam,if it is real,is more likely to be a staged UFO event,not a religious one.
Yes the world population can be moulded as desired,not just "christian morons" as you so lovingly put.

dedicate

11-10-2009, 12:37 AM

Cruise4: Not predestined. I don't know what you mean by "contracted obligation". An example of what I mean might be this..

I believe "The Beast" is the State... or organization... or NWO.. all those things and even the orgainizing principle of one's own mind over the world. Now we can note the state is always about marking and #'ing the population. Has always been as it is one of the most anti-christ ways for the state to survive and maintain control. As time moves forward these methods become more advanced and Satanic... eventually culminating in some sort of track divice? Brand? something else?

Yes, the I.D card .. the SSN (social security #) is the mark of the Beast and it's #. As is a coded band one may wear at a hospital,, or the ID you use at work. Can you not be detained and even imprisoned today for not having these items on you? These are not natural things,, nor are they some sort of way of falsely fulfilling prophecy.

It is interesting that within the context of a historical Bible, mark was used to denote ownership, usually on ones cattle. And at the time of writing the Revelation,, there was little if any of I.D. cards, "Your papers please", or even being assigned a #. Before WWI Europes population was able to move freely into any country without passport.

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 12:39 AM

Is is so absolutly necessary to lace every post you make with insults ?

Why ? Why? Why ?

In this country of over 60 million people and very few have the slightest interest in revelation....and the same goes for the UK,Australia ect ect.

No body is going to be running around crying "save me,save me"

Perhaps a few nutters from Alabama,but you Americans have this weird idea that the whole world is like the bible belt,we dont all walk around saying "have a blessed day"

So what is the point in staging an event for a small minority ?

Blue beam,if it is real,is more likely to be a staged UFO event,not a religious one.
Yes the world population can be moulded as desired,not just "christian morons" as you so lovingly put.

If you really think Christians who believe in the Apocalypse is a "small minority" then you need to get your head out of the clouds.

What I said stands true, sorry if you don't like how I feel about the way of things. You can always put me on ignore.

cruise4

11-10-2009, 12:48 AM

Cheers dedicate. I'm unsure on the outline you lay out as I see other variations on the theme... but could be. Has anyone else watched the Stan Deyo presentation from today here: Stan Deyo, interviewed by Project Camelot, Project Camelot interviews Stan Deyo. Stan comes on-screen 8 minutes into this video.Stan is well known for hi...

I'm not ruling some of that out either. Very interesting if you have time for biblical revelations.

By 'contractual obligation' I was thinking of the eg. reptilians, being conscripted for some purpose.

dedicate

11-10-2009, 01:59 AM

If there is any truth to what I say then it is an interesting dilemma for the modern Christian who likes to say, "I will not take the mark." For it is true that most all of us do... like when we place the little sticker on the forehead of our windshield telling the Beast and its agents we have complied having our vehicle "Inspected", "cleared". Very few do not take the mark.

Without going much into scripture. I believe the Revelation also states one will be judged harshly for taking the mark... so what is that about if one can not do anything but take it? Look further and does it not state,, one must also worship the Beast in addition to taking the mark? In other words,, one does not resist,, and accepts (likes even? encourages other even? finds it OK and "necessary" even?) being the cattle of the system? Interesting. Or does "taking the mark and being judge harshly" here indicate only the end times mark given by the Anti-christ,, NWO?

One could also read all 22 chapters of Revelation in conjuntion with the 22 Major Arcana of the Tarot . One will find many many similarities there. And the 22 paths of Kabbala? This simpatico indicates a fulfilment of law and Universal order -- a progression of the way things are as shown within the Christian religion and other traditions. Revelation is Christian, and there is much to learn about the Christian religion by reading it. But still, many other teachings have discovered the principles on which it is formed. It does not hurt the Christian to expand his understanding by taking a look at these things.

tannah

11-10-2009, 02:23 AM

If there is any truth to what I say then it is an interesting dilema for the modern Christian who likes to say, "I will not take the mark." For it is true that most all of us do... like when they place the little sticker on the forehead of their windshield telling the Beast they have complied in having their vehicle "Inspected." Very few do not take the mark.

Without going much into scripture. I believe the Revelation also states one will be judged harshly for taking the mark... so what is that about if one can not do anything but take it? Look further and does it not state,, one must also worship the Beast in addition to taking the mark? In other words,, one does not resist,, and accepts being the cattle of the system? Interesting.

One could also read all 22 chapters of Revelation in conjuntion with the 22 Major Arcana of the Tarot . One will find many many similarities there. And the 22 paths of Kabbala? This indicates a fulfilment of law -- a progression of the way things are as shown within the Christian religion. Revelation is Christian, and there is much to learn about the Christian religion by reading it.

Also, a cyclic "fulfillment" exists in the number 22. The musical note is F#, the mode is Dorian, the unity it reaches is to merge two halves into one system and them swap it over to a higher octave. In the overtone structure it is 11:11 (both F# points in retrograde motion), and is a place where an axis manifests briefly, ushering in the one timelesss non-dual moment, free of the "beast" perhaps. The Mayan calendar is witness to this occurance also.
The brief non-dual moment allows you to capture your siamese twin on the other side. I dreamed my inner lady only last night. We miss each other, we feel so close.

A mood of expectation begins to emerge in most minds. The deception and the reality (wheat and chaff) have to appear together in full fruition, because there is only one tonal fountain from which both illusion
and reality emerge. People will feel time accelerating, and as the mayan calendar reaches the 22, on offer is inner marriage. Spirits have worked for many lifetimes to be ready. Those not ready will swap-over into the higher octave. Those ready will begin a new journey in another dimension.
That is the story held within natures cycles, involving frequency and harmonic ratios moving in contray flow.

When the Christ Body is on offer as a sacred gift, who will be ready to take it on? Those waiting for a heaving judgment on transgression? They will experience a thousand years of refinement instead, including very much their own.

Together with being ready is the door appearing that needs to be knocked on. The desire finds the means and sees the way.

22, very important axis.:D

dedicate

11-10-2009, 03:09 AM

Yes, that is a good addition to the topic, Tannah. Your statements tell me what it is I'm starting to realize more and more. That is: Most Relgion for the masses is stuck. Most religion for the masses has failed to move its people foreword and it along with them. The True religion is actually getting picked up by so many who have not been much interested in religion (But not always). I think there are Bible passages to indicate this being what will happen. -- God works in ways to confound the wise (in Religion) and those who get stuck get stuck in the letters and words (like the Pharasees) and miss the spirit. The spirit of Religion is being found in the West by many who have dismissed Mass-market religion, especially those who have dismissed mass-market Christianity. Those in the west who have dismissed sect Christianity and moved into secular Truth,, or Hinduism, Buddhism or even Occultism or some other fringe movement,, are the ones who have found Spirit Truth! So unexpected. So anti-thetical to the mass's Relgion. (But that's not to say some have not been brought to truth via all and any Christian traditions)

And there is room for discussion on how it is the P.T.B are manipulating the people's understanding of the scripture to falsely fulfill prophecy. I believe the building of the Temple Mount is one such false move on their part. In my opinion the Temple Mount never has to be rebuilt... and maybe it never will be. Or it will be built just to fit expecations and their plans. They are building expectations of the Temple being rebuilt,,, so that people will miss the real events happening.. Or they will rebuild it to rouse up people to some action. There is really no prophecy concerning the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon as is being presented to the public.

nicolaj

11-10-2009, 09:01 AM

I agree.... they use everything having to do with "religion" for their own ends

Thanks for the link.....what specifically does Constance say about Revelation?

Just finished the one book a planned deception..found it on par with my own thoughts. This is what Jesus wants his church to come out of imo.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

those now comitting fornication with the harlot.

Basically it's about the new age movement and how this is the finale religion that is pulling the world together for the nwo to come into power..

How people are being decieved by demonic entities from Alice Bailey(her guide! then was promoting the nwo) the same message runs though all those involved with this movement, from Lola Davis, Mother Theresa to Shirley Maclaine, etc.

Especially interesting for me was how the new age movement has crept into The Church, how they are being led astray from sound doctrine the Bible and introducing false doctrine..eg..god within that many of the new age movement believe.
She goes into detail about Pat Robinson leading millions of Christians astray with his tv worldwide network with his false teachings and promoting the new age movement.

really is worth a read..show how far this movement as come and this is the new world religion of the nwo.
They pratice this stuff themselves so why wouldn't their followers.

element

11-10-2009, 02:04 PM

In this country of over 60 million people and very few have the slightest interest in revelation....and the same goes for the UK,Australia ect ect.

No body is going to be running around crying "save me,save me"

Perhaps a few nutters from Alabama,but you Americans have this weird idea that the whole world is like the bible belt,we dont all walk around saying "have a blessed day"

I thought majority of Americans believed in the rapture, so most are likely interested in Revelations. Many other Christians in Europe and South America probably as well. Here in Europe the Christians tend to be more silent though. You are underestimating the impact that Christianity has.

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 03:06 PM

amethyst

11-10-2009, 03:21 PM

I thought majority of Americans believed in the rapture, so most are likely interested in Revelations. Many other Christians in Europe and South America probably as well. Here in Europe the Christians tend to be more silent though. You are underestimating the impact that Christianity has.

The word "rapture' isn't even mentioned in scripture. That's a myth.

But at the end of this "age" there are scriptures that support a transformation/ascension of our natural bodies into our spiritual bodies which will happen when Jesus the Christ returns to the earth in His transformed spiritual body. According to scripture, He will also be accompanied by spiritual angelic entities (good angels or angelic beings)

But this doesn't happen until the antichrist, or the "false" christ whom the NWO/tptb support and want, comes on the world scene. The "false" christ comes FIRST.

Anti in the original greek means "against" or "instead of"...so the antichrist will be the "instead of" christ...the FAKE.

This 'false" christ will be telling the world that he is "it"..the islamic "maudi", the jewish "messiah" the new age "metreiya" all rolled into one. He will be considered the ONE that the world has waited for......only trouble is, he will be FALSE.

In other words, a "fake" Christ, a "fake" messiah.

But he will probably look the part really well.

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 03:28 PM

I think the false messiah - the Anti-Christ - is actually the Roman Christ, who looks like Constantine the Emperor. All depictions of Christ in paintings - which are, BTW, against Biblical law - resemble Constantine. This was done on purpose.

He is the graven image that is the counterfeit of Christ.

Jesus Christ. of Roman Christianity (includes all of it's offshoots such as American evangelist sects). The Bible is the bread of the Roman anti-Christ and so many people just keep eating it up.

amethyst

11-10-2009, 03:33 PM

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 03:35 PM

Could very well be...who knows?

And the False Prophet could also be the Pope or someone like him...in other words, His public relations guy.....he's certainly a "roman" right?

I don't know, I don't really believe Revelations was meant to be taken so literally. It's symbolic of some greater scheme, but I think all of the events and people referred to as merely archetypes because Revelations is a story that plays itself over and over again throughout history. It is the particular "time loop" that we are stuck in as David Icke might call it.

So the roles just get played over and over again. The elite probably have someone in mind that they want to play the anti-Christ this time, but I feel like we are breaking out of the time loop and that people aren't going to so readily go along with this little game anymore.

amethyst

11-10-2009, 03:40 PM

I don't know, I don't really believe Revelations was meant to be taken so literally. It's symbolic of some greater scheme, but I think all of the events and people referred to as merely archetypes because Revelations is a story that plays itself over and over again throughout history. It is the particular "time loop" that we are stuck in as David Icke might call it.

So the roles just get played over and over again. The elite probably have someone in mind that they want to play the anti-Christ this time, but I feel like we are breaking out of the time loop and that people aren't going to so readily go along with this little game anymore.

I agree...many are breaking out of the time loop....but a lot are also going to stay stuck in it too unfortunately....these are the ones who are going to fall for the NWO's FAKE Christ I think.

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 03:46 PM

I agree...many are breaking out of the time loop....but a lot are also going to stay stuck in it too unfortunately....these are the ones who are going to fall for the NWO's FAKE Christ I think.

I say that we must let them. Unlike others, I do not believe in eternal damnation or a God who is capable of such an unjust act. God gives us free will because free will is the most loving option he can give us - he must let us understand for ourselves the consequences of our own mistakes.

There are many souls who wish to be pulled out of the time loop. They will seek out those with the answers. People will be magnetized to each other by their spirituality. Those who are not yet ready to leave the comfort of decay and corruption will find themselves stuck there for as long as they need to be.

amethyst

11-10-2009, 03:55 PM

I say that we must let them. Unlike others, I do not believe in eternal damnation or a God who is capable of such an unjust act. God gives us free will because free will is the most loving option he can give us - he must let us understand for ourselves the consequences of our own mistakes.

There are many souls who wish to be pulled out of the time loop. They will seek out those with the answers. People will be magnetized to each other by their spirituality. Those who are not yet ready to leave the comfort of decay and corruption will find themselves stuck there for as long as they need to be.

There are many souls who wish to be pulled out of the time loop

I agree

People will be magnetized to each other by their spirituality.

That's a good way of putting it...makes sense to me..... law of attraction....like being drawn to "like"

clachan

11-10-2009, 04:44 PM

If you really think Christians who believe in the Apocalypse is a "small minority" then you need to get your head out of the clouds.

What I said stands true, sorry if you don't like how I feel about the way of things. You can always put me on ignore.

No.....you need to visit most modern european countries and go to most of the churches on a Sunday morning.

If it dont happen in America it doesn,t register in your head and aint worth considering...

Have you ever been to any other nation out side of your own ?

Noone goes to church here......noone.

michael christopher

11-10-2009, 04:46 PM

No.....you need to visit most modern european countries and go to most of the churches on a Sunday morning.

If it dont happen in America it doesn,t register in your head and aint worth considering...

Have you ever been to any other nation out side of your own ?

Noone goes to church here......noone.

Once again, I must consider you when I make any post, right?

America is obviously one of the largest centers for power control in the world.

Do I have to explain this to you like you are a four year old, or can you consider that maybe you DON'T live in America and thus you DON'T have any idea what I'm talking about?

Do you think America is not an important place to consider?

Don't answer the question, IT'S RHETORICAL.

Next time I will use diagrams with pictures so you can understand my post better.

amethyst

11-10-2009, 04:56 PM

clachan

11-10-2009, 04:58 PM

Once again, I must consider you when I make any post, right?

America is obviously one of the largest centers for power control in the world.

Do I have to explain this to you like you are a four year old, or can you consider that maybe you DON'T live in America and thus you DON'T have any idea what I'm talking about?

Do you think America is not an important place to consider?

Don't answer the question, IT'S RHETORICAL.

Next time I will use diagrams with pictures so you can understand my post better.

Ofcourse the US is an important power base......thats not the point Im making.

The EU is much bigger though...check it out.

For those of you resident in Europe go out to any highstreet or shopping complex on a saturday morning and conduct your own survey...simple.

Ask the passers by one simple question regarding the beast/anti-christ/apocalypse.....then watch them hurry away from the "religious nutter",you may even be escorted of the premises by security if you stay long enough

Id say less than 10% of people would have even given it a thought.

IMO

tannah

11-10-2009, 05:36 PM

Especially interesting for me was how the new age movement has crept into The Church, how they are being led astray from sound doctrine the Bible and introducing false doctrine..eg..god within that many of the new age movement believe.

Sound doctrine of the bible eh? Most of what you said in that post is silly, but the above paragraph especially. The false doctrine of God being within huh? Zombies deny that.

I realize you ignore anything that doesn't fit into your biblical preference, but someone like you will be a prime target for doing the will of the NWO when the time comes.

Where's the reasoning here? People switched on to the God within doing the will of the NWO? How does that work then? Big fireworks in the sky and armies of angels riding the clouds, versus an inner acknowledgement that it is an outside fake? I think you're fooling yourselves. The church has denied the inner kingdom all of its existence , and it's now ready to reap the enslavement of its zombies.

The antichrist is anti inner kingdom, and it will fool the zombies. It will get the zombies to reduce the world's population, because the zombies will feel their lord is back, on the outside telling them what to do and to chase and murder what this lord says is the godless. I got news for you, if you are anti God within, then you're the godless. And you'll think heaven is being lowered out of the sky, and you'll enjoy getting the "unbelievers" to walk the plank.

That's the fruits of rejecting the God within. Outside enslavement to the beast.

tannah

11-10-2009, 06:19 PM

[QUOTE]Most Relgion for the masses is stuck. Most religion for the masses has failed to move its people foreword and it along with them.

It's how most people seem to want it. Everything is how it has to be according to the desires of the followers. And as you go on to say there are desires emerging that just don't resonate with mass-market religion.

The True religion is actually getting picked up by so many who have not been much interested in religion (But not always). I think there are Bible passages to indicate this being what will happen. -- God works in ways to confound the wise (in Religion) and those who get stuck get stuck in the letters and words (like the Pharasees) and miss the spirit.

That's right, how can they when they look suspiciously on an inner God residing as a spiritual spark in the heart.

The spirit of Religion is being found in the West by many who have dismissed Mass-market religion, especially those who have dismissed mass-market Christianity. Those in the west who have dismissed sect Christianity and moved into secular Truth,, or Hinduism, Buddhism or even Occultism or some other fringe movement,, are the ones who have found Spirit Truth! So unexpected. So anti-thetical to the mass's Relgion. (But that's not to say some have not been brought to truth via all and any Christian traditions)

One has to expect a period where all manner of ideas are thrown in the air. It will be interesting to see how it finally settles. My optimism tells me that spiritual awareness will come out more refined and more conducive to a peaceful world.

And there is room for discussion on how it is the P.T.B are manipulating the people's understanding of the scripture to falsely fulfill prophecy. I believe the building of the Temple Mount is one such false move on their part. In my opinion the Temple Mount never has to be rebuilt... and maybe it never will be. Or it will be built just to fit expecations and their plans. They are building expectations of the Temple being rebuilt,,, so that people will miss the real events happening.. Or they will rebuild it to rouse up people to some action. There is really no prophecy concerning the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon as is being presented to the public.

Yes, I can see it clearer nowadays, how it's all about duping the masses into actions that don't benefit their spirits at all. I don't think that awakening the latent forces within will loose out to the outside illusion. It's the only way to defeat what is seen as anti-Christ. What stops anyone waking up to who they are is the preffered ways that we concoct. And I am pretty sure that there won't be a better way found. We can put forward countless policies and doctrines, but unless we are who we are created as they can only ever be shields to block the inner spirit. A big lesson for us is to realize there is no better way out there.

nicolaj

11-10-2009, 06:19 PM

Many people have speculated that the ELITE are using Revelations as a blueprint...
yes they are.

Their intent is to totally deceive the christian population...according to Constance
Cumby
http://cumbey.blogspot.com/
And after reading some of her material and some of the material by Watch unto Prayer, i am pretty impressed.

I had NO idea that Karen Armstrong (the ex nun who wrote a History of God) was affiliated with SHARE INTERNATIONAL...how about that?

Here is watch unto prayer:
http://watch.pair.com/

That said, Constance has generously put up her two books for FREE download at:
Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow
and
A Planned Deception
http://idisk.mac.com/cumbey-Public?view=web

A PLANNED DECEPTION is specifically about how they are going to deceive..

Make sure you also check out the Crisis in Spirit Article that is also down loadable..

I think you will all find it interesting...

Hiya DWB

Found these videos of Constance, thought you might be interested in watching them....she is so spot on!..she tells how she found out about the n.a.m. connects it to nazi ...how these ppl have been duped and mesmerzied by satanic forces....she shows how this movement is all interlinked the politics are neither left or right but center..just like most western governments are now.

..absolutey brilliant..

Thank God for people like her..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9vpTnOvHeA&feature=related
part 1/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFxQSiYiecE&feature=related
part 2/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-5OPzj_TRE&feature=related
3/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-5OPzj_TRE&feature=related
4/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXnGXjzaxpk&feature=related
5/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj6AkMbTrE&feature=related
6/7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1YlbCUXNI&feature=related
7/7

clachan

11-10-2009, 06:23 PM

element

11-10-2009, 06:32 PM

You wished.
You are speaking nonsense, Clachan.

If you talk about the Beast or the Apocalypse on the streets, of course people will look at you that way, as with so many subjects. The average person is too scared to even consider talking about something that's beyond what the tv is chatting about. It's not just Christianity, which you seem to put in the victim role. And if it is, it might be reaping its own fruits.

Many people in my country don't go to church, a fact. But have you done research on all European countries? Just because the churches are less populated, doesn't mean there are less Christians. The churches or streets are not a good indication to form your opinions.

tannah

11-10-2009, 06:54 PM

..absolutey brilliant..

Thank God for people like her..

OMG, just listened to two of them vids. I wouldn't thank God for any of that personally. Talk about corruption pretending it's shocked.

It started here, in the Talmud:

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud
Where a Jew Should Do Evil

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Then it became grafted into OT texts, where God could order a race of people to go off and kill men women and babies and animals. Jehovah's children have always been spiritually corrupt. They are as elite thinking as the original Jews were back then.

Just like it began with a corrupt image of God, it has developed as a corrupt image of God. It's fruits have been centuries of corruption.
And now that people are backing away from this corruption, the corrupt are trying to say it is a corruption against their God.

And even though Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven is within, Paul soon came along and piled on the seeds that led to further corruption, blinded masses and caused endless conflict. And when we look around at the conflicts today we see fundamentalism spreading its murderous odour.

Maybe Constance hasn't thought about what kind of belief she herself is really sitting on. What's her book on that about? Whatever the answer is it certainly isn't the corruption that has been scaring people for thousands of years.

***********

OK, video 3 gives an example of some lady thinking she can heal Constance's husband, who has lost both legs. Apparently the universe is going to create cosmic energy for this lady to do the healing. Well of course that is BS. Again, the clue to its BS, is the looking outwardly. One should balance out these silly beliefs with books like "life and teachings of the masters of the far east". There the view is that the Inner Christ Self is what needs to be focused on. I'm pretty sure that for every silly argument Constance is about to give, there will be a clearer more balanced view available. Stay tooned.:)

And as a bonus to my active interest here, I can rest assured that nicolaj won't be responding to me.:)
And where's uncia dissappeared to? Is any christian going to lower themselves and debate this?

clachan

11-10-2009, 07:23 PM

You are speaking nonsense, Clachan.

If you talk about the Beast or the Apocalypse on the streets, of course people will look at you that way, as with so many subjects. The average person is too scared to even consider talking about something that's beyond what the tv is chatting about. It's not just Christianity, which you seem to put in the victim role. And if it is, it might be reaping its own fruits.

Many people in my country don't go to church, a fact. But have you done research on all European countries? Just because the churches are less populated, doesn't mean there are less Christians. The churches or streets are not a good indication to form your opinions.

There are very few real christans today.....you are assuming a lot.

I have lived in 3 European countries:England 25 years,Ireland 5 years and France 9 years.

I have always thought we are living in the end times and have spoken to many people over the years,how many see what i see.....0

Even in 1999 when end of world prophecy was at a high noone i met was panicking......even on a forum such as this many posters say 2012 is the "dawning of a new age"...love & light ect.

Back to my original point,do you think blue beam is the staged 2nd coming ?

clachan

11-10-2009, 07:27 PM

OMG, just listened to two of them vids. I wouldn't thank God for any of that personally. Talk about corruption pretending it's shocked.

It started here, in the Talmud:

Then it became grafted into OT texts, where God could order a race of people to go off and kill men women and babies and animals. Jehovah's children have always been spiritually corrupt. They are as elite thinking as the original Jews were back then.

Just like it began with a corrupt image of God, it has developed as a corrupt image of God. It's fruits have been centuries of corruption.
And now that people are backing away from this corruption, the corrupt are trying to say it is a corruption against their God.

And even though Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven is within, Paul soon came along and piled on the seeds that led to further corruption, blinded masses and caused endless conflict. And when we look around at the conflicts today we see fundamentalism spreading its murderous odour.

Maybe Constance hasn't thought about what kind of belief she herself is really sitting on. What's her book on that about? Whatever the answer is it certainly isn't the corruption that has been scaring people for thousands of years.

***********

OK, video 3 gives an example of some lady thinking she can heal Constance's husband, who has lost both legs. Apparently the universe is going to create cosmic energy for this lady to do the healing. Well of course that is BS. Again, the clue to its BS, is the looking outwardly. One should balance out these silly beliefs with books like "life and teachings of the masters of the far east". There the view is that the Inner Christ Self is what needs to be focused on. I'm pretty sure that for every silly argument Constance is about to give, there will be a clearer more balanced view available. Stay tooned.:)

And as a bonus to my active interest here, I can rest assured that nicolaj won't be responding to me.:)
And where's uncia dissappeared to? Is any christian going to lower themselves and debate this?

I will,unfortunatly I cant watch vids on this computer....so we,ll have to stick to debate.

Whats your point ?

element

11-10-2009, 07:32 PM

There are very few real christans today.....you are assuming a lot.
How would you know them all personally?
Who is assuming, I wonder..
I have lived in 3 European countries:England 25 years,Ireland 5 years and France 9 years.
Yes, 3 countries. Go grab an atlas and check how many there are.
Have you asked every Christian is those 3 countries?
I have always thought we are living in the end times and have spoken to many people over the years,how many see what i see.....0
0 see it as you do. So they're all wrong, and you are right in your beliefs?
Back to my original point,do you think blue beam is the staged 2nd coming ?
I've not made my mind up about the future. It is never written in gold.

clachan

11-10-2009, 07:41 PM

How would you know them all personally?
Who is assuming, I wonder..

Yes, 3 countries. Go grab an atlas and check how many there are.
Have you asked every Christian is those 3 countries?

0 see it as you do. So they're all wrong, and you are right in your beliefs?

I've not made my mind up about the future. It is never written in gold.

It is pure common sense,very few expect the return of Christ.

Yes.....I beleive I have the basic outline of our future.

clachan

11-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Yeah, and a lot go to church in the states and there they are trained how to be good little "religious" puppets....but all the while, they think they are pleasing God....

So what is better or worse?

You mean the atheist,or the religious puppet ?

I think the puppet is much more dangerous.

tannah

11-10-2009, 08:17 PM

I will,unfortunatly I cant watch vids on this computer....so we,ll have to stick to debate.

Whats your point ?

If you read the post again, there are some points already made. Tackle those first.

I'm still waiting for you to produce this apparent post of mine where I called women whores. Found it yet? Sure you're not confusing me with someone like uncia?

You say this:

It is pure common sense,very few expect the return of Christ.

Yes.....I beleive I have the basic outline of our future.

You going to share this outline?

Where do you stand on the idea that people who believe that God/kingdom/heaven is within are actually being led by the NWO?

Would you see the dilemma here? People that don't accept that God is within,
only have text to form their beliefs. All hinges on the quality of these texts.

You also say this:

There are very few real christans today

Like who? Do you consider yourself a real christian?

clachan

11-10-2009, 08:41 PM

If you read the post again, there are some points already made. Tackle those first.

I'm still waiting for you to produce this apparent post of mine where I called women whores. Found it yet? Sure you're not confusing me with someone like uncia?

You say this:

You going to share this outline?

Where do you stand on the idea that people who believe that God/kingdom/heaven is within are actually being led by the NWO?

Would you see the dilemma here? People that don't accept that God is within,
only have text to form their beliefs. All hinges on the quality of these texts.

You also say this:

Like who? Do you consider yourself a real christian?

If you go to page 3,post 24 on the "did Jesus really exist" thread you will see that you refered to "other whores",this was a veiled insult to a female poster you have taken exception to,you will deny this ofcourse....but you know its true,so do I.

As far as God being within from my own perspective I would say yes,God is amongst us...with us.

You already know my veiws/vision of the future so no need to repeat it here unless you want me out in the open....no problem.

As far as my being "a real Christian" make up your own mind:
Jesus Christ is the son of God,the truth,the light and the way,whoever beleives this in his heart and speaks it with his mouth.........?

Am I going to heaven?.......doubt it,not for a while at least,others may accend,not me.

tannah

11-10-2009, 08:59 PM

[QUOTE]If you go to page 3,post 24 on the "did Jesus really exist" thread you will see that you refered to "other whores",this was a veiled insult to a female poster you have taken exception to,you will deny this ofcourse....but you know its true,so do I.

Wow, you're dilluded fella. Here's some of post:

Quote:
That not logic tannah,I credited you with more sense.
The pope is not Gods rep. and you do know that as well as I.

I said:
I think you'll find that the pope was very much seen as God's rep at the time, and that when he said "God wills it", people believed it and acted.
You disagree? Have you read some of the Pope's speeches around the time of the crusades?

You said:

Quote:
The Catholic church is the whore of Babylon,corrupt to its very core..
You also know the story of the woman convicted of adultery who was to be stoned to death...Jesus turned up and stood before the angry mob,which took a lot of guts,and challenged them.

I said:
I don't think the catholic church is the only "whore" around.

So you creep, how do you want to infer I meant what you say I meant? Don't you think I am probably referring to institutions? That's what the italics infer. The only thing I know to be true from this is that you're full of bollox.

Firstly I don't take exception to any female poster. I take exception to things
posted, by anyone.
Secondly, luckily I won't be burnt at any stake by your ignorant perception on this.

Thirdly, you can stick any idea of debating with you up your ass from now on.

Any "true" christian around, wants to debate the BS in the vids posted earlier?

clachan

11-10-2009, 09:26 PM

[QUOTE=clachan;1058326773]

Wow, you're dilluded fella. Here's some of post:

I said:

You said:

I said:

So you creep, how do you want to infer I meant what you say I meant? Don't you think I am probably referring to institutions? That's what the italics infer. The only thing I know to be true from this is that you're full of bollox.

Firstly I don't take exception to any female poster. I take exception to things
posted, by anyone.
Secondly, luckily I won't be burnt at any stake by your ignorant perception on this.

Thirdly, you can stick any idea of debating with you up your ass from now on.

Any "true" christian around, wants to debate the BS in the vids posted earlier?

The very last thing Iam is dilluded....you are s liar:p

You are well angry....you have been caught with you trousers down my pedigree chum:D

You are also getting the reputation as the forum stalker;)

clachan

11-10-2009, 09:34 PM

So what other" whore",...singular.....are you refereing to "round HERE" ?

Please explain.

tannah

11-10-2009, 09:54 PM

The very last thing Iam is dilluded....you are s liar:p

You are well angry....you have been caught with you trousers down my pedigree chum:D

You are also getting the reputation as the forum stalker;)

I think anyone that would agree with you that I am referring to someone in particular as being a whore, is as fucked up as you are.

With christians like you around we don't need "devil's" kids.

You called the catholic church a whore, and I said it isn't the only "whore" around. For someone that believes in equality for women, for them to be unshackled from pathetic patriarchal religious systems, you are trying to imply I regard a female here as a whore? Why don't YOU explain yourself instead of trying to paint me in a bad light? Oh I forgot, you can't explain anything normally. You just like to slowly paint in a bad light those who have concerns about your pathetic belief system.

You called the catholic church a whore. Is that you being singular? Then my singular minded reference to "whore" is not only the catholic church, but all institutions that talk about hellfire and fear, political corruption like that in Burma, China, England, America, Europe and all. It's as much a part of the "whore" as just one example.

Your accusation must be the most pathetic attempt to misconstrue someone I've read so far. It doesn't deserve anymore attention from me, and neither do you, so sit on it bro.

I can live with any reputation coming from the likes of you. So instead of carrying on like a dipstick, you should consider an apology.

clachan

11-10-2009, 10:20 PM

I think anyone that would agree with you that I am referring to someone in particular as being a whore, is as fucked up as you are.

With christians like you around we don't need "devil's" kids.

You called the catholic church a whore, and I said it isn't the only "whore" around. For someone that believes in equality for women, for them to be unshackled from pathetic patriarchal religious systems, you are trying to imply I regard a female here as a whore? Why don't YOU explain yourself instead of trying to paint me in a bad light? Oh I forgot, you can't explain anything normally. You just like to slowly paint in a bad light those who have concerns about your pathetic belief system.

You called the catholic church a whore. Is that you being singular? Then my singular minded reference to "whore" is not only the catholic church, but all institutions that talk about hellfire and fear, political corruption like that in Burma, China, England, America, Europe and all. It's as much a part of the "whore" as just one example.

Your accusation must be the most pathetic attempt to misconstrue someone I've read so far. It doesn't deserve anymore attention from me, and neither do you, so sit on it bro.

I can live with any reputation coming from the likes of you. So instead of carrying on like a dipstick, you should consider an apology.

No apology forthcoming tannah,read through that thread and you will see the context...it is quite obvious who you were refereing to....
You will not be able to tell "porkys" to the big fella you know,he knows what is in your heart.

How about you apologise to the one you offended.

Look,I was quite prepared to leave it last nite,but you pushed it so you got it.

I was at a low ebb last nite and your came to offer me kind words....thankyou.

So in return i say to you....lets move on,forget it.

tannah

11-10-2009, 10:41 PM

No apology forthcoming tannah,read through that thread and you will see the context...it is quite obvious who you were refereing to....
You will not be able to tell "porkys" to the big fella you know,he knows what is in your heart.

How about you apologise to the one you offended.

Look,I was quite prepared to leave it last nite,but you pushed it so you got it.

I was at a low ebb last nite and your came to offer me kind words....thankyou.

So in return i say to you....lets move on,forget it.

I'm not letting it go actually.
That's right clachan, porkies can be quite transparent to spirit. So why are you trying to insist your BS perceptions are correct? Do I really have to paste the whole post to make a mockery of your accusation?

This is typical of weakminded people like you who resort to these tactics instead of debating the points raised. It really does say a lot about how illusion operates.

I have nothing to apologize for here, because your accusation is a lie. And for the few freedoms we do still have, one of them is that someone is considered innocent until proven guilty. So off you go little mind and prove your accusation. If you really think I called someone here a whore then report me, it's your duty.

In fact, I think this false accusation of yours does belong to this thread. Here we have christians believing that their bible and history has not been manipulated by elites or those that also have plans for a NWO. As their main weapon these so called christians say that the NWO are trying to get us to believe we can all come together. Somehow the anti-Christ would want that, but not Jesus, coz he's a kick ass brute about to serve hell up to the "unbelievers".

What a silly excuse. Christians already believe that we don't have "God within", and now they show what the fruits of that brings by false accusations and underhand tactics.

I find it all a bit disgusting.

That's right clachan, last night I didn't realize you were plotting such a nasty thing.

clachan

11-10-2009, 10:53 PM

I'm not letting it go actually.
That's right clachan, porkies can be quite transparent to spirit. So why are you trying to insist your BS perceptions are correct? Do I really have to paste the whole post to make a mockery of your accusation?

This is typical of weakminded people like you who resort to these tactics instead of debating the points raised. It really does say a lot about how illusion operates.

I have nothing to apologize for here, because your accusation is a lie. And for the few freedoms we do still have, one of them is that someone is considered innocent until proven guilty. So off you go little mind and prove your accusation. If you really think I called someone here a whore then report me, it's your duty.

In fact, I think this false accusation of yours does belong to this thread. Here we have christians believing that their bible and history has not been manipulated by elites or those that also have plans for a NWO. As their main weapon these so called christians say that the NWO are trying to get us to believe we can all come together. Somehow the anti-Christ would want that, but not Jesus, coz he's a kick ass brute about to serve hell up to the "unbelievers".

What a silly excuse. Christians already believe that we don't have "God within", and now they show what the fruits of that brings by false accusations and underhand tactics.

I find it all a bit disgusting.

That's right clachan, last night I didn't realize you were plotting such a nasty thing.

Whatever.

I didn,t plot against you,just highlighted a contradiction in your posts.
I believe it is the truth.

I dont think running to the mods everytime the rules are breached is necessary....otherwise Id be mailing them 24/7.

tannah

11-10-2009, 11:19 PM

I didn,t plot against you,just highlighted a contradiction in your posts.
I believe it is the truth.

I don't believe you believe that. No one can be stupid enough to interpet what I said as you believe it to mean. Unless of course they have some kind of agenda in life.

This just shows me how weak some people's position is, when they ignore points raised and try to confuse the whole issue with false accusations. I will remember in future that you don't care for getting to any truth.

I dont think running to the mods everytime the rules are breached is necessary....otherwise Id be mailing them 24/7.

Well maybe I'd have the better case against someone in this instance.

bendoon

12-10-2009, 02:29 AM

Many people have speculated that the ELITE are using Revelations as a blueprint...
yes they are.

Well in Revelation they lose in the end, but I am pretty sure they will try their best not to lose.

Their intent is to totally deceive the christian population...according to Constance

True to a certain extent but they want to decieve everyone, not just Christians.

amethyst

12-10-2009, 10:49 AM

Well in Revelation they lose in the end, but I am pretty sure they will try their best not to lose.

True to a certain extent but they want to decieve everyone, not just Christians.

Yep.

Jesus the Christ (Christos= anointed) God's "Son".....undefiled/uncontaminated pure holy bloodline.......the (earthly) line of Adam.....the heavenly line from God's Spirit....that leads to eternal life

The antichrist= not anointed...... Satan's "son"......defiled/contaminated impure bloodline........the line of Cain the cursed line........that leads to eternal death

It's all about the bloodlines

And the illuminati have it completely reversed (they just don't know it...... they've been following a LIE the whole time, Satan's lie)

Time to wake up

clachan

12-10-2009, 06:34 PM

I don't believe you believe that. No one can be stupid enough to interpet what I said as you believe it to mean. Unless of course they have some kind of agenda in life.

This just shows me how weak some people's position is, when they ignore points raised and try to confuse the whole issue with false accusations. I will remember in future that you don't care for getting to any truth.

Well maybe I'd have the better case against someone in this instance.

Well i believe I believe it,you believe I dont believe it,so lets believe what we both believe and be content that we both believe we are right.:D

tannah

12-10-2009, 06:44 PM

Well i believe I believe it,you believe I dont believe it,so lets believe what we both believe and be content that we both believe we are right.:D

Well obviously you can believe what you like, even though it sucks.
But for the record I don't call women whores.

seanx

12-10-2009, 10:32 PM

I'm not letting it go actually.
That's right clachan, porkies can be quite transparent to spirit. So why are you trying to insist your BS perceptions are correct? Do I really have to paste the whole post to make a mockery of your accusation?

This is typical of weakminded people like you who resort to these tactics instead of debating the points raised. It really does say a lot about how illusion operates.

I have nothing to apologize for here, because your accusation is a lie. And for the few freedoms we do still have, one of them is that someone is considered innocent until proven guilty. So off you go little mind and prove your accusation. If you really think I called someone here a whore then report me, it's your duty.

In fact, I think this false accusation of yours does belong to this thread. Here we have christians believing that their bible and history has not been manipulated by elites or those that also have plans for a NWO. As their main weapon these so called christians say that the NWO are trying to get us to believe we can all come together. Somehow the anti-Christ would want that, but not Jesus, coz he's a kick ass brute about to serve hell up to the "unbelievers".

What a silly excuse. Christians already believe that we don't have "God within", and now they show what the fruits of that brings by false accusations and underhand tactics.

I find it all a bit disgusting.

That's right clachan, last night I didn't realize you were plotting such a nasty thing

Go on Mr Clachan -get some balls and aoplogize.

You have clearly misrepresented him as is clear to any reasonable person.

Be a man -apologize

clachan

12-10-2009, 10:37 PM

Go on Mr Clachan -get some balls and aoplogize.

You have clearly misrepresented him as is clear to any reasonable person.

Be a man -apologize

Bait;)

seanx

12-10-2009, 10:57 PM

You are not man enough to apologize.

He caught you out red-handed .

Shame on you.

And you guys come on here pretending to be 'Christains'.

Dear, O dear.

Do yourself a favour, mate.

Go away. When you have some shred of dignity left

clachan

12-10-2009, 11:01 PM

seanx

12-10-2009, 11:19 PM

Clachan

more bait.....

I'll take that as a no then.

You are not willing to apologize to that poster when he has
clearly shown you out to be a liar.

Oh, I love the moral purity of you so-called Christains !

You are an example to us all.

Classic!

And please don't respond to this post. This is for everybody's else
enjoyment!!

clachan

12-10-2009, 11:25 PM

tannah

12-10-2009, 11:35 PM

Clachan

I'll take that as a no then.

You are not willing to apologize to that poster when he has
clearly shown you out to be a liar.

Oh, I love the moral purity of you so-called Christains !

You are an example to us all.

Classic!

And please don't respond to this post. This is for everybody's else
enjoyment!!

Look on the bright side seanx, these are the little bitty egos condemning others to hell, AND, putting it all down to God not their own cruel projections.

clachan

12-10-2009, 11:38 PM

Look on the bright side seanx, these are the little bitty egos condemning others to hell, AND, putting it all down to God not their own cruel projections.

Really ?

Noone here has condemed you to hell.....show me where.

dedicate

13-10-2009, 12:24 AM

Really ?

Noone here has condemed you to hell.....show me where.

Well you can't really get away from the issue, can you? Why try to divert? Why not meet it head on? Eternal Hell is what you are promoting, isn't it? Just be honest and don't beat about.

Once in a while, I get into a discussion here with somebody who just drops in and take me for a fundamentalist just because I like to promote Jesus and Christianity. When they pose to me some similar accusation,,, I just say, "No. That's not what I said,, and I don't see it that way at all." Can you say that?

clachan

13-10-2009, 04:36 PM

Well you can't really get away from the issue, can you? Why try to divert? Why not meet it head on? Eternal Hell is what you are promoting, isn't it? Just be honest and don't beat about.

Once in a while, I get into a discussion here with somebody who just drops in and take me for a fundamentalist just because I like to promote Jesus and Christianity. When they pose to me some similar accusation,,, I just say, "No. That's not what I said,, and I don't see it that way at all." Can you say that?

sorry dedicate......you,ve lost me,was that not what i said but in a different way ?

dedicate

13-10-2009, 06:00 PM

clachan

13-10-2009, 07:38 PM

No. That's not what you said. Not really.

So, I guess you are saying there is no eternal Hell where unbelievers and evil people go for eternity. We'll leave it at that. I was wrong. You are on record now as denying the existance of an eternal Hell judgement. That's what you are saying.

Yer....we better leave it at that......for all your posts on "wisdom" it seems you are a very confussed man.

For your record....Eternal hell does not interest me,but the truth,the light and the way....The Son of God is in my heart.

seanx

13-10-2009, 08:24 PM

clachan wrote:
Yer....we better leave it at that......for all your posts on "wisdom" it seems you are a very confussed man.

it seems everyone is confused except you! - naturally!.

SO you're now telling us there is no hell?

You have single-handled changed 2,000 years of Christinity.

What a man - or what an ego!

clachan

13-10-2009, 08:55 PM

clachan wrote:

it seems everyone is confused except you! - naturally!.

SO you're now telling us there is no hell?

You have single-handled changed 2,000 years of Christinity.

What a man - or what an ego!

There is a hell.......take cover,or go learn survival skills..

I encourage you to read....."When all hell breaks loose" by Codi Lundin;)

thetonic

13-10-2009, 09:32 PM

In other words, a "fake" Christ, a "fake" messiah.

But he will probably look the part really well.

The antichrist is a collective consciousness.

There are literally billions of anitchrists walking the earth right now... Think about it,.. Anyone who is against the teachings of Christ. They are the 'anti christ'

seanx

13-10-2009, 09:36 PM

Clachan wrote:
There is a hell.......take cover,or go learn survival skills..

There is a hell then.

Tell us: who goes to this Hell? Anybody who is not 'saved' by Jesus,
by any chance?

nicolaj

13-10-2009, 09:37 PM

Clachan wrote:

There is a hell then.

Tell us: who goes to this Hell? Anybody who is not 'saved' by Jesus,
by any chance?

Thats what the good book says...

as if you didn't know..

dedicate

13-10-2009, 10:09 PM

Yer....we better leave it at that......for all your posts on "wisdom" it seems you are a very confussed man.

For your record....Eternal hell does not interest me,but the truth,the light and the way....The Son of God is in my heart.

Yeh. At least I can give a straight answer. I'm going to watch your posts to see if this is a common thing with you. To be honest, I sense something slightly askew with the dialog so far. Oh well. Probably my fault. See you around.

There have been a couple other posters who had trouble just saying something that should be easy. I can't remember who, but I asked this one poster if they were Catholic, because it seemed they were and I wanted to translate what I was talking of in terms they might understand. I think it took two or three more post before I got an answer. It was like pulling teath,, "What ever could you mean? Catholic? What do you mean by Catholic? There are different kinds you know? etc.. etc..

seanx

13-10-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
Clachan wrote:

There is a hell then.

Tell us: who goes to this Hell? Anybody who is not 'saved' by Jesus,
by any chance?

Thats what the good book says...

as if you didn't know..

But the question wasn't addressed to you but to mr CLACHAN,
who seems confused on the issue.

He can't seem to accepts all the tenets of 'real' Christainity.

At least, you have no problem with it, nicolaj -you'll be glad to see
them all burn!

tannah

14-10-2009, 01:59 AM

The antichrist is a collective consciousness.

There are literally billions of anitchrists walking the earth right now... Think about it,.. Anyone who is against the teachings of Christ. They are the 'anti christ'

It's simple really, a liar isn't like Christ, and someone speaking truthfully is like Christ.

So it's only a question of establishing truth. Which argument is going to win this great debate about God? Yes, lots of questions in life are still to be answered.

Trouble with all this labelling is that one paints a picture of others as being so polarized. Yet real living humans are nothing like that one sided picture.

But I ask you, have you really thought what it would mean to go to what is called Hell, with it's connotations of eternal suffering and pain, for any one accused of not believing in Jesus? I can't begin to tell you just how disturbing this is, to think this is part of what you are choosing to believe.

You must allow yourselves the feeling of what hell would come to mean, right? I mean, you must have people in mind who will experience this pain and suffering.

If you think there is a portion of God's essence dedicated to so much pain and suffering you don't recognize the same God as I have come to.

So this belief in hell is about something else, to do with one's individual make-up.

bendoon

14-10-2009, 02:09 AM

You are not man enough to apologize.

Lol, when have you ever been man enough to appologise for all the porkies you tell ?

What a hypocrite :D

tannah

14-10-2009, 02:23 AM

Lol, when have you ever been man enough to appologise for all the porkies you tell ?

What a hypocrite :D

Even so bendoon, you should agree that clachan needs to apologize for his false accusations. He's implying that I called someone here on this forum a whore, and also that I'm intimidating this person. This isn't a request, but I'd wonder what the moderators would make of that.

bendoon

14-10-2009, 02:37 AM

He's implying that I called someone here on this forum a whore, and also that I'm intimidating this person. .

I didn't see the post in question but if thats the case I think an appology would be in order.

clachan

14-10-2009, 07:46 PM

Yeh. At least I can give a straight answer. I'm going to watch your posts to see if this is a common thing with you. To be honest, I sense something slightly askew with the dialog so far. Oh well. Probably my fault. See you around.

There have been a couple other posters who had trouble just saying something that should be easy. I can't remember who, but I asked this one poster if they were Catholic, because it seemed they were and I wanted to translate what I was talking of in terms they might understand. I think it took two or three more post before I got an answer. It was like pulling teath,, "What ever could you mean? Catholic? What do you mean by Catholic? There are different kinds you know? etc.. etc..

I first came across you when i read 2 of your OP,s on threads you started.

I thought heres a guy i can talk sense with so replyed to both threads with the hope that you would respond with positive replys.

One of your OP,s mentioned the Sufis,I have read some publications by the likes of Idris Shah,Rashad Field and also looked at the life and ideas of Jalalu'd-Din Rumi one of Persia,s greatest mystical poets.

My other response was to a thread debating the existence of God i think.
Again i responded with a quote from Da Love Ananda who i have also come across.....it concerned the dilemma of a Godless man.

On both occasions no response was forthcoming from yourself,the OP.

Then,out of the blue,you attack me like a rabbid dog because i simply asked another poster who here had condemned him/her to eternal hell.:confused:

And so it continues.

I will never respond to any threads you create nor reply to you in any way.

Congratulations...you are you first victim of my ignore button.

It just leaves me to ask you where on earth did you get that picture of my 63 year old auntie Lil for your avatar ?:D

clachan

14-10-2009, 07:51 PM

But the question wasn't addressed to you but to mr CLACHAN,
who seems confused on the issue.

He can't seem to accepts all the tenets of 'real' Christainity.

At least, you have no problem with it, nicolaj -you'll be glad to see
them all burn!

Nicolaj is much better versed in bible scripture than I.

seanx

14-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Clachan wrote:
Nicolaj is much better versed in bible scripture than I.

So you still can't accept the full tenets of your christainity.

You like the nice flutty bits but want to ignore all the other
chillingly violent parts of burning people to death if they don't
believe......??

So you turn a blind eye - I suppose you have to, if you didn't,
you'd see how crazy and contradictory it all is.

danceswithbunnies

14-10-2009, 08:43 PM

It's simple really, a liar isn't like Christ, and someone speaking truthfully is like Christ.

So it's only a question of establishing truth. Which argument is going to win this great debate about God? Yes, lots of questions in life are still to be answered.

Trouble with all this labelling is that one paints a picture of others as being so polarized. Yet real living humans are nothing like that one sided picture.

But I ask you, have you really thought what it would mean to go to what is called Hell, with it's connotations of eternal suffering and pain, for any one accused of not believing in Jesus? I can't begin to tell you just how disturbing this is, to think this is part of what you are choosing to believe.

You must allow yourselves the feeling of what hell would come to mean, right? I mean, you must have people in mind who will experience this pain and suffering.

If you think there is a portion of God's essence dedicated to so much pain and suffering you don't recognize the same God as I have come to.

So this belief in hell is about something else, to do with one's individual make-up.

What if hell is just samsara...as the buddhists call it?

I am not saying it is, but that would make sense to me. This world seems designed to break you emotionally, mentally...going through life you end up losing everything you ever loved...there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Loved ones die as you move through life, you lose them, you eventually lose you health, your dignity and at the end your life..

I am sure there are levels lower then this one...but this is the Lake of Fire where time burns away all things and their worm dieth not.

clachan

14-10-2009, 08:56 PM

I didn't see the post in question but if thats the case I think an appology would be in order.

I owe him nothing bendoon.

tannah

14-10-2009, 09:52 PM

What if hell is just samsara...as the buddhists call it?

I am not saying it is, but that would make sense to me. This world seems designed to break you emotionally, mentally...going through life you end up losing everything you ever loved...there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Loved ones die as you move through life, you lose them, you eventually lose you health, your dignity and at the end your life..

I am sure there are levels lower then this one...but this is the Lake of Fire where time burns away all things and their worm dieth not.

That's how I personally see the idea of hell. We exist at the axis of all levels of heaven and hell. The forces that allow us to experience hell are things like pride, resentment, and doubting our Christ self. The ultimate heaven level, I think, is becoming one with God. Yet I don't see this as a loosing sight of who I am, because in God's house there are many rooms, not just one room where all the merged ones get dumped into.:) The Pilgrim's Progress book has a good analogy. Along the path are many diversions, and right at the end there is a stream that needs crossing and there isn't a bridge. And the only way accross will be to take up something inside us greater than doubt and pride and resentment. A physical body would sink. So what other body can we take on that is already within us? And how to access it? Taking pride and resentment away is a long journey, and it is finally tested. So I hope those that think they can walk accross that stream are "Light" enough.