Baphomet signs?

[energi]

What does the signs that Baphomet make with his fingers really mean (forming the hands as "pistols")?

http://cfs12.tistory.com/image/22/tistory/2008/11/10/22/58/49183dfbab2d2

[energi]

Or rather, where do they originate from? Is it freemasonic [since Baphomet is used in freeemasonry]? :confused:

[theabbot 7]

i once heard that it a masonic gesture as well

[thedefender]

Well they are counter signs. As above so below...as far as the hands and fingers I am not very sure. I have seen the hand sign in other pieces of art from the middle ages and Renaissance.

[mythmath]

Here, Plato and Aristotle perform the 'As Above, So Below' in tandem:

http://www.bayarea.net/%7Ekins/AboutMe/GIFs/PlatoAndAristotle.jpg

Detail from: The School of Athens by Raphael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_School_of_Athens)

[mythmath]

Here's Geo Washington as Zeus:

http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/9/272/379.jpg

The Magician from the RiderWaite Tarot:

http://0.tqn.com/d/paganwiccan/1/0/J/0/-/-/1MagicianRiderWaite.jpg

[mythmath]

Here's the Eiffel Tower doing the same trick:

http://www.majorlycool.com/media/1/20080118-eiffel-tower-struck-by-lightning.jpg

[loveoverhate]

It's an excellent question and I don't know the answer. But my guess is that it's a symbol representing the keeping of duality from ever attaining the sacred marriage that the Light/female side is striving for.

[marpat]

As above so below. It is the same as jesus saying on earth as it is in heaven

[marpat]

It's an excellent question and I don't know the answer. But my guess is that it's a symbol representing the keeping of duality from ever attaining the sacred marriage that the Light/female side is striving for.

Wrong

[marpat]

Or rather, where do they originate from? Is it freemasonic [since Baphomet is used in freeemasonry]? :confused:

So where in freemasonry is baphomet used?

[loveoverhate]

Wrong


That's not good enough. You have to elaborate in order to be taken with a grain of seriousness. That's just the way it goes. Also, I said it was just a guess.

[sofa king]

this rendition is off a music album cover. Some creative license has been exercised.

It is not the same Baphomet as originally depicted by Eliphas Levi.

So don't look too deeply into the hand signs as they are not the same.

[sofa king]

That's not good enough. You have to elaborate in order to be taken with a grain of seriousness. That's just the way it goes. Also, I said it was just a guess.



The Baphomet is a hermaphrodite. Female breasts and an erect male phallus.There is no desire for marriage as they are already joined.

[pi3141]

I was wondering this exact same thing this morning, so I searched around and found it was the 'As above, so below' sign and of course remembered the Washington monument etc.

So I created a folder and called As above, so below and searched for similar pictures.

Here's what I found -

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/794341db.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/c1443434.gif

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/01a581da.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/9a3fdffe.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/a04c3ba2.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/84acba18.jpg

Weird isn't it??

Quite often seems to be a red robe is worn. I'm beginning to think these symbols actually derive from secret scientific knowledge.

The Double Torus (possible the shape of the universe)

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/6c05abfc.gif

As above so below.

Notice the Pentagram? So a nice occult symbol to show you understand the shape of the universe while keeping the knowledge secret could well be that - as well as of course Jupiters course around the sun.

Many secrets, extensive knowledge, one symbol.

E=MC2 = All matter is energy. (one of the secrets of the Kabbalah)

[pi3141]

Here's another -

Notice the infinity symbol above his head.

And a red robe again. (Occult color)

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/d1490614.jpg

[thedefender]

http://www.powellhistory.com/art/Painting/Ingres_Napoleon_on_his_Imperial_throne.jpg

[pi3141]

And another.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/ea5f2f5d.jpg

I'm beginning to think it is Satanic in origin.

As if it symbolizes Satan desire to be a God - or mans desire to be a God on this Earth - as above so below. I can emulate the creator, I am the same as the creator.

[pi3141]

Nice one thedefender

I'm saving that one to my collection.

Very interesting picutre, he actually makes the full sign using the pointed figures on the top of his staff that is leaning and the down fingers in his left hand.

Lots of symbology in that picture.

Edit: Thanks for the one below, better than the copy I posted. :-)

[thedefender]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:AGGPq2aie_OTmM:http://www.awugabunnies.co.uk/images/asabove.jpg?151&t=1

[loveoverhate]

The Baphomet is a hermaphrodite. Female breasts and an erect male phallus.There is no desire for marriage as they are already joined.


But it's a perverted marriage with the male in the dominating role.

[thedefender]

Nice one thedefender

I'm saving that one to my collection.

Very interesting picutre, he actually makes the full sign using the pointed figures on the top of his staff that is leaning and the down fingers in his left hand.

Lots of symbology in that picture.

Indeed....I have alot of interesting info on the symbolism in that painting by Ingres. Ofcourse it is a piece of political propaganda but it is entirely symbolic and when the symbolism is deciphered it really becomes evidence of something profound. The esoterics are amazing and their is tons of Masonry symbolism. Perhaps I will write it all up and present it in its own thread.

[thedefender]

I thought I would show you all this painting by Francisco Goya entitled Witches' Sabbath

http://www.wga.hu/art/g/goya/2/218goya.jpg

[thedefender]

http://www.psychics.co.uk/tarotreadings/tarotcards/devil-tarot-card.jpg

[sofa king]

But it's a perverted marriage with the male in the dominating role.



how is the male more dominant than the female in Levi's version of the Baphomet?

[thedefender]

I don't want to take us to far off topic but I thought this is relevant to such a discussion as it is a representation of As Above, So Below. This is the Washington Obelisk in Washington D.C.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e5slTxJ5tng/SUx4wb2StJI/AAAAAAAAAhE/wgoaouEZ4ow/s400/obelisk3.jpg

[thedefender]

Here is another example. This is Demeter and Persephone. Demeter represents "Above" as Persephone represents "Below" for she is brought to Hades for 6months of the year.

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/RM/PersephoneLeighton1.jpg

Persephone as well represents the concept on its own. Persephone dwells amongs those of Olympus and dwells below with Hades.

Persephone is said to mean "she who destroys the light". Or the "Bringer of Destruction".

Here is Persephone on top of the dome at the Capital Building in Washington D.C. Ofcourse this building houses the U.S. Congress which represent the two party system thus symbolizing again the concept discussed here and the scales/balances or weights.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Mi0T9vng8WkoUM:http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2749/capitolstatuevc9.jpg&t=1

[pi3141]

I don't want to take us to far off topic but I thought this is relevant to such a discussion as it is a representation of As Above, So Below. This is the Washington Obelisk in Washington D.C.


Yes, mirror image. I see that now.

So -

What does the signs that Baphomet make with his fingers really mean (forming the hands as "pistols")?

Well they are counter signs. As above so below...as far as the hands and fingers I am not very sure. I have seen the hand sign in other pieces of art from the middle ages and Renaissance.

As above so below. It is the same as jesus saying on earth as it is in heaven



Persephone is said to mean "she who destroys the light".

Have we worked it out yet?

Is it Satanic.

[jconnar]

And another.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/ea5f2f5d.jpg

I'm beginning to think it is Satanic in origin.



Notice the border very closely. Its a snake biting its own tail.

Remember this symbol because you will see it again.

The picture is looking through the eye of the snake.

What is the snake? You must decide....

[mythmath]

Whirling Dervish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawlawi_Order)

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/64883/silhouette_of_whirling_dervish.jpg

[pi3141]

Notice the border very closely. Its a snake biting its own tail.

Remember this symbol because you will see it again.

The picture is looking through the eye of the snake.

What is the snake? You must decide....

Thats interesting, I have of course seen the symbol a few times before.

I've always thought it was just another representation of infinity.

[sofa king]

Have we worked it out yet?

Is it Satanic.



No it is not.


The Baphomet depicted by Levi was a fabrication on his part to sell books. Prior to Levi, the Baphomet was never associated with Satan.

[thedefender]

Manly P Hall The Secret Teachings of All Ages
The practice of magic--either white or black--depends upon the ability of the adept to control the universal life force--that which Eliphas Levi calls the great magical agent or the astral light. By the manipulation of this fluidic essence the phenomena of transcendentalism are produced. The famous hermaphroditic Goat of Mendes was a composite creature formulated to symbolize this astral light. It is identical with Baphomet the mystic pantheos of those disciples of ceremonial magic, the Templars, who probably obtained it from the Arabians.

[jconnar]

Manly P Hall The Secret Teachings of All Ages
The practice of magic--either white or black--depends upon the ability of the adept to control the universal life force--that which Eliphas Levi calls the great magical agent or the astral light. By the manipulation of this fluidic essence the phenomena of transcendentalism are produced. The famous hermaphroditic Goat of Mendes was a composite creature formulated to symbolize this astral light. It is identical with Baphomet the mystic pantheos of those disciples of ceremonial magic, the Templars, who probably obtained it from the Arabians.


I have been told be those experienced on this forum that the astral realm is a realm of darkness, inhabited by darkness. Therefore if the power comes from the astral realm, the power you're using is dark power, from the dark one.

[thedefender]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcyA8-qtEbU

[loveoverhate]

how is the male more dominant than the female in Levi's version of the Baphomet?

It looks like a male animal with bosoms. And there are certain aspects of it that resemble the statue of Pazuzu.

And of course this may be a stretch, but try a few anagrams of the name "Levi".

[mr max]

The Baphomet tying to masonry was a bad joke by Levi.. which has stuck..

"as above, so below" is an ancient piece of knowlege.. its NOT eveil, its NOT satanic or luceferian... wow seriously people.

all of this symbology you see being used by the elite groups of today are MILLENIA's old, ancient sumer, babylo, kemet (egypt) etc.. just because someone uses something for evil dosn't mean it was created for evil. they were being used WAY before groups like the masons, illuminati, rosicrucian's etc etc...

as above so below in an acient knowlegde that simple means.. everything out there, or up there is mirrored down here or in here.. if you look at pictures of space, stars, nebula & then look at pictures of atoms in ourselves, they look & operate exactly the same.. things that happen "out there" also physically & mentaly affect us.... if the moon governs & controls the entire mass of water, seas & oceans on the planet.. remembering that the human body is approx 70% water.. do you think that stars, moons, planets etc would not effect us? this is why everything to thing day is still based on astrology.. even most of your religions.. eveything that has an outside has an inside, eveything in the universe is governed by this, the yin & yang, dark & light, positive & negative, good & evil, heaven & hell, angels & deamons, male & female, adam & eve.. etc etc.. i could go on, but yu get the point... the current powers that be use ancient knowledge for they own purpose, but that doesnt make the knowledge evil.. everything is neutral, until you put meaning into it...


think about it this way.. the "swastica" is a symbol of peace & originates from buddhism.. the nazi's who were heavily into the occult used it for their own "purpose"


the basic meaning behind it is that if man/woman can go beyond the seperation of duality he/she can reach theyre true "god like" being.. as above so below means.. there is no duality, as it is out the, so it is the same right here.. the same ONE thing..


edit: argh!! excuse the terrible spelling, I rushed this.. lol

[kiwimaj]

This occured to me recently...

http://calcamonia.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/saturday_night_fever_30th_anniversary_collector_s_ edition_dvd__large_.jpg

:cool:

[thedefender]

Symbols can often be perverted much like words can be used to manipulate and obscure knowledge or language. Such as Orwellian Doublepeak. An example would be infact the Swaztika as mentioned in the above post. As part of the perversion or misconception and use by the Nazi's when the Swaztika is used today people think of Hilter and eugenic hate groups hell bent of the genocidal decay of particular groups. Even the use of the word "Aryan" by Nazi's represents this manipulation of words.

[thedefender]

Oh yea...John Travolta. According to the current leader of the Church of Satan, Rex Church; John Travolta was a member of the Church of Satan during Anton Lavey's time. Rex Church also stated that Scientology is the offspring of the Church of Satan.; Travolta is a Scientologist. This connection is particularly interesting because both Lavey and Travolta both appeared in the 1975 film The Devil's Rain starring noneother than "Captain Kirk" William Shatner. Lavey played a major role in the films development as he was Technical Advisor to the film; he even made an appearance in the film. Travolta was also in another interesting film; Carrie.

Here is an interview featuring Rex Church; I think all should take a listen to what Rex Church has to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5x0993GBMQ

...and here is the film The Devil's Rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvN5r2AlxtY

[marpat]

That's not good enough. You have to elaborate in order to be taken with a grain of seriousness. That's just the way it goes. Also, I said it was just a guess.

You cant understand symbols by guessing

[thedefender]

Manly P. Hall
Symbolism is the language of the Mysteries; in fact it is the language not only of mysticism and philosophy but of all Nature, for every law and power active in universal procedure is manifested to the limited sense perceptions of man through the medium of symbol. Every form existing in the diversified sphere of being is symbolic of the divine activity by which it is produced. By symbols men have ever sought to communicate to each other those thoughts which transcend the limitations of language. Rejecting man-conceived dialects as inadequate and unworthy to perpetuate divine ideas, the Mysteries thus chose symbolism as a far more ingenious and ideal method of preserving their transcendental knowledge. In a single figure a symbol may both reveal and conceal, for to the wise the subject of the symbol is obvious, while to the ignorant the figure remains inscrutable. Hence, he who seeks to unveil the secret doctrine of antiquity must search for that doctrine not upon the open pages of books which might fall into the hands of the unworthy but in the place where it was originally concealed.

[sofa king]

It looks like a male animal with bosoms. And there are certain aspects of it that resemble the statue of Pazuzu.

And of course this may be a stretch, but try a few anagrams of the name "Levi".



So you can tell a male goat from a female goat by looking at the face? I doubt you can. Go to a goat farm and see if you can.


No in this case, you see a male goat because you have already decided to yourself that it is.


The Levi Baphomet was androgynous. Only the breasts and penis were identifiable gender markers. The head, arms, fingers, torso, legs could belong to either sex.

[pi3141]

as above so below in an acient knowlegde that simple means.. everything out there, or up there is mirrored down here or in here.. if you look at pictures of space, stars, nebula & then look at pictures of atoms in ourselves, they look & operate exactly the same..

So basically your saying I was right -


Quite often seems to be a red robe is worn. I'm beginning to think these symbols actually derive from secret scientific knowledge.

The Double Torus (possible the shape of the universe)

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/6c05abfc.gif

As above so below.

The point I was making about it being Satanic -

If the knolwedge is ancient scientific understanding on the nature or reality which has been kept secret from us and those keeping the secrets are trying to elevate themselves to God-like status then they are indeed behaving 'Satanically' and trying to be like Lucifer who wants also to be a like God.

[marpat]

But it's a perverted marriage with the male in the dominating role.

What is perverted about it?

Do you know any marriage where both people are totally equal? usually the wife is the dominant nag but you dont like the idea of the man having any form of domination?

[marpat]

So you can tell a male goat from a female goat by looking at the face? I doubt you can. Go to a goat farm and see if you can.


No in this case, you see a male goat because you have already decided to yourself that it is.


The Levi Baphomet was androgynous. Only the breasts and penis were identifiable gender markers. The head, arms, fingers, torso, legs could belong to either sex.

But is it actually a penis or a caduceus, indicating the creating power associated with sexuality? a caduceus has both male and female energies whereas the penis is only male.

[marpat]

No it is not.


The Baphomet depicted by Levi was a fabrication on his part to sell books. Prior to Levi, the Baphomet was never associated with Satan.

Very true. I did read that the image was created from a number of templar 'confessions' which were put together to form that image

I guess many people just cant get past the superficial image and see what it represents. Instead they fall for the knee jerk reaction of thinking its satanic, although there is no image of satan in the bible from which to claim any authority.

[marpat]

I thought I would show you all this painting by Francisco Goya entitled Witches' Sabbath



Never heard of church propoganda?

[marpat]

http://www.psychics.co.uk/tarotreadings/tarotcards/devil-tarot-card.jpg

But that is not baphomet and it holds a torch in its hand. That card is not even evil in relaity, just the illusion of darkness. I guess many people just see the superficial image and react with horror rather than truly making an effort to learn and understand. I guess the mysteries do protect themselves from the profane

[marpat]

And another.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/ea5f2f5d.jpg

I'm beginning to think it is Satanic in origin.

As if it symbolizes Satan desire to be a God - or mans desire to be a God on this Earth - as above so below. I can emulate the creator, I am the same as the creator.

Yet satan is created by god and therefore has gods essence, therefore satan is also a part of god anyway. In the book of job the sons of god sit before the throne and satan sits with them. Now why would he be there if he was a nasty spirit?

If you read the bible even jesus claims that we are gods when he refers to a psalm.

[thedefender]

But that is not baphomet and it holds a torch in its hand. That card is not even evil in relaity, just the illusion of darkness. I guess many people just see the superficial image and react with horror rather than truly making an effort to learn and understand. I guess the mysteries do protect themselves from the profane

Who's reacting with horror? We are speaking of As Above, So Below and how the concept is represented in such medium as art. The Tarot Card Devil shows this. I don't remember saying it was Baphomet? Do you? No because I didn't.

And why are you asking me if I ever heard of "church propoganda"? I posted a painting and said nothing else of it nor did I imply otherwise.

[loveoverhate]

So you can tell a male goat from a female goat by looking at the face? I doubt you can. Go to a goat farm and see if you can.


No in this case, you see a male goat because you have already decided to yourself that it is.


The Levi Baphomet was androgynous. Only the breasts and penis were identifiable gender markers. The head, arms, fingers, torso, legs could belong to either sex.

I wasn't just going by the face sofa king. I'd like to know what difference would be made if the (always erect) penis was replaced by a vagina. There must be a reason why each feature was thought of the way it looks today. And I haven't decided anything about male or female. All I know is that it's not a deity that I would want to be alone with. Am I judging by its ominious physical appearance? Well, kinda yeah. Also the image *feels* very male also so it's not *just* about the look. The fact that it's ambiguous is a red flag for me. A true hermaphroditic entity would be much less subtle. But I mean, it's not like I take the image of this deity seriously anyway. I just find this subject interesting. Many people might find the image scary BECAUSE of its androgynous features. My argument is that it's not androgynous enough.

[pi3141]

Yet satan is created by god and therefore has gods essence, therefore satan is also a part of god anyway. In the book of job the sons of god sit before the throne and satan sits with them. Now why would he be there if he was a nasty spirit?

If you read the bible even jesus claims that we are gods when he refers to a psalm.

You speak of things I know nothing about, the book of Job.

I understand the point that God created Satan. But I have to admit I've lost track of the whole is Satan and Lucifer one and the same and are they truly evil and is that completely justified.

You seem to have a different interpretation of the Bible. I thought, Satan rebelled and was cast down for trying to be like God and testing God's plan as well as despising mankind for God's love of man etc etc. Thats probably a simplistic church propoganda sunday school view of it but I hope you understand what I mean. Satan was cast out for challenging God, we should also not try to be like God's, so any reference to man emulating God is blasphemous and Satanic in nature.

If you do not see Satan as evil or an attempt by man to become like God then I see why you wouldn't call it Satanic in the evil sense of the word.

Not sure I've explained that as well as I could.

[sofa king]

I wasn't just going by the face sofa king. I'd like to know what difference would be made if the (always erect) penis was replaced by a vagina. There must be a reason why each feature was thought of the way it looks today. And I haven't decided anything about male or female. All I know is that it's not a deity that I would want to be alone with. Am I judging by its ominious physical appearance? Well, kinda yeah. Also the image *feels* very male also so it's not *just* about the look. The fact that it's ambiguous is a red flag for me. A true hermaphroditic entity would be much less subtle. But I mean, it's not like I take the image of this deity seriously anyway. I just find this subject interesting. Many people might find the image scary BECAUSE of its androgynous features. My argument is that it's not androgynous enough.



All fair points.

I don't see this as scray at all. I see it for what it is. A fictitious illustration by an author to sell more books. No different that Sauron or Voldemort or Darth Vader.

[sofa king]

You seem to have a different interpretation of the Bible. I thought, Satan rebelled and was cast down for trying to be like God and testing God's plan as well as despising mankind for God's love of man etc etc. Thats probably a simplistic church propoganda sunday school view of it but I hope you understand what I mean. Satan was cast out for challenging God, we should also not try to be like God's, so any reference to man emulating God is blasphemous and Satanic in nature.

If you do not see Satan as evil or an attempt by man to become like God then I see why you wouldn't call it Satanic in the evil sense of the word.

Not sure I've explained that as well as I could.


No where in the Bible does it link Lucifer and Satan to be the same entity.

Lucifer is the angel that was cast from heaven for disobedience. Satan was introduced in the NT and Quran. It is the Vatican that linked the 2 and rewrote Satan to be a boogeyman character to scare all the little sheep into doing what the Pope said for fear of eternal damnation.

Funny how in the OT the lesson was "fuck up and answer to God", whereas in the NT and subsequent Vatican rulings it became "fuck up and go to Hell" Its as if God decided he doesn't give a rats ass about what you do.

[thedefender]

The name/word Lucifer is found nowhere in the Bible until the King James version. There are many theories as to who compiled the King James version...one of them being Shakespeare...now if we are talking about about Shakespeare we might as well call him Sir Francis Bacon. Now this is a discussion entirely on its own. One of Bacon's writting is entitled the Spear Shaker... which is a reference to Athena who shakes her spear in defiance of the dragon. Bacon and his Knights of the Helmet wrote many literary works. Knights of the Helmet once again being a reference to Athena who wears the Helmet of secrecy. Hel means to cover. Hence words like Helmet. The Norse goddess Hel recieves the dead. Maybe that's part of the reason Hel became what we call the lower realm Hell.

Bacon's most famous pieces of literature is The New Atlantis; a work in which was the basis and influence for the rediscovery of America.

The Lucifer as Satan connection is not found in the Bible. It is because of works such as Dante's Inferno that the connection persists to this day.

[loveoverhate]

All fair points.

I don't see this as scray at all. I see it for what it is. A fictitious illustration by an author to sell more books. No different that Sauron or Voldemort or Darth Vader.



Haha, I think you may be right. The unfortunate thing is that there are people who take this "thing" seriously. If anything, I'd be more weary (or is it "leary"?) of the symbols surrounding the goat figure rather than the goat figure itself.

[sofa king]

Haha, I think you may be right. The unfortunate thing is that there are people who take this "thing" seriously. If anything, I'd be more weary (or is it "leary"?) of the symbols surrounding the goat figure rather than the goat figure itself.



Yeah, I'm with you on that.


Not to mention what people would be trying to accomplish in any ritual where they are using such a character.


There are a lot of people out there into spellcasting for selfish ends. That's a whole pile of "not good"

[pi3141]

There are many theories as to who compiled the King James version...one of them being Shakespeare...now if we are talking about about Shakespeare we might as well call him Sir Francis Bacon. Now this is a discussion entirely on its own.


Yes, I have read of this before, Nexus magazine I think - very interesting theory it is.



The Lucifer as Satan connection is not found in the Bible. It is because of works such as Dante's Inferno that the connection persists to this day.

I need to read the Bible. Keep meaning too, read bits and peices, never cover to cover. I've read the Anchor bible is the most accurate translation of the original Hebrew texts. I keep putting off reading the Bible until I get the most accurate copy. In short, I want to read the truth, not the interpretation.

[pi3141]

No where in the Bible does it link Lucifer and Satan to be the same entity.

Hollywood again I suppose. Or Hammer horror.


Lucifer is the angel that was cast from heaven for disobedience.

This I know.


Satan was introduced in the NT and Quran. It is the Vatican that linked the 2 and rewrote Satan to be a boogeyman character to scare all the little sheep into doing what the Pope said for fear of eternal damnation.

This I didn't know other than Judaism doesn't believe in Hell.


Funny how in the OT the lesson was "fuck up and answer to God", whereas in the NT and subsequent Vatican rulings it became "fuck up and go to Hell" Its as if God decided he doesn't give a rats ass about what you do.

Yes, it somewhat removes God as being the highest authority. Thats the conspiracy I believe. It beholds us to the pope and church.

[thedefender]

To find out more you check this video...you can probably skip to the last 45min if you wish to delve right into the Shakespeare/Bacon discussion. However I would recommend watching the whole documentary.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5498106693746597344#

[sofa king]

Yes, it somewhat removes God as being the highest authority. Thats the conspiracy I believe. It beholds us to the pope and church.



The Pope and the Vatican are as dirty as they come.

[leon11]

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/a04c3ba2.jpg

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.gif

?

[pi3141]

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.gif

?

:D Yes, I made that connection.

[thedefender]

http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/images/109images/egyptian/narmer_front.jpg

[loveoverhate]

The Pope and the Vatican are as dirty as they come.


You got that right! The "pope" (aka the Dark High Priest) probably thinks of himself as "God" on Earth.

[thedefender]

You got that right! The "pope" (aka the Dark High Priest) probably thinks of himself as "God" on Earth.

I believe Pope John Paul II did that already. Don't quote that...because I am uncertain.

[pi3141]

Maent to post before.

Is this one?

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/106e822d.png

Two triangle one pointed up the other pointed down.

[marpat]

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.gif

?

Not at all, the swastika has FOUR arms if you pay attention.

[marpat]

Maent to post before.

Is this one?

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/106e822d.png

Two triangle one pointed up the other pointed down.

Union of heaven and earth

[marpat]

You got that right! The "pope" (aka the Dark High Priest) probably thinks of himself as "God" on Earth.

really? dont they considers themselves to be just the vicars of christ?

[kiwimaj]

..another one I spotted...:cool:

http://feedindex.dnsmaster.net/images/9/1183740/1262777288_0.png

[kiwimaj]

Found another one....

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2096/888poker.gif

:rolleyes:

[haukipesukone]

What does the signs that Baphomet make with his fingers really mean (forming the hands as "pistols")?


Asked and answered.

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/250427374720_0.jpg

Baphomet is a cowpoke.

[chillwill]

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/68/l_b0620076d2bd4cfdaff3f22136eaa1be.jpg

[ppd343]

I was wondering this exact same thing this morning, so I searched around and found it was the 'As above, so below' sign and of course remembered the Washington monument etc.

So I created a folder and called As above, so below and searched for similar pictures.

Here's what I found -

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/794341db.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/c1443434.gif

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/01a581da.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/9a3fdffe.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/a04c3ba2.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/84acba18.jpg

Weird isn't it??

Quite often seems to be a red robe is worn. I'm beginning to think these symbols actually derive from secret scientific knowledge.

The Double Torus (possible the shape of the universe)

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac84/pi31415/As%20Above%20So%20Below/6c05abfc.gif

As above so below.

Notice the Pentagram? So a nice occult symbol to show you understand the shape of the universe while keeping the knowledge secret could well be that - as well as of course Jupiters course around the sun.

Many secrets, extensive knowledge, one symbol.

E=MC2 = All matter is energy. (one of the secrets of the Kabbalah)


What about Jupiter's course around t he sun?

[christ4life]

You speak of things I know nothing about, the book of Job.

I understand the point that God created Satan. But I have to admit I've lost track of the whole is Satan and Lucifer one and the same and are they truly evil and is that completely justified.

You seem to have a different interpretation of the Bible. I thought, Satan rebelled and was cast down for trying to be like God and testing God's plan as well as despising mankind for God's love of man etc etc. Thats probably a simplistic church propoganda sunday school view of it but I hope you understand what I mean. Satan was cast out for challenging God, we should also not try to be like God's, so any reference to man emulating God is blasphemous and Satanic in nature.

If you do not see Satan as evil or an attempt by man to become like God then I see why you wouldn't call it Satanic in the evil sense of the word.

Not sure I've explained that as well as I could.

Wether he knows it or not he works for Satan. Freemasonry is just apart of the devils plan. Lucifer is called Satan because he is no longer of the light but of darkness. God had Satan test Job to see how strong his faith is. This is all in the Bible. The Book of Enoch which was taken out of biblical text talks more into detail about Lucifers fall from heaven.

[joe2005]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4410/46099400.jpg

[joe2005]

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/joe20055/b-61.jpg?t=1286564042
http://i26.tinypic.com/30diel3.jpg

[joe2005]

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2754/90078111.jpg

[joe2005]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/438/85297547.gif

[joe2005]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3747/72376555.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/1zqx93k.jpg

[thedefender]

^ Dodge Ram

;)

[anna_jane]

http://cdn02.cdn.thesuperficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1013-taylor-momsen-cover-00-480x640.jpg

[thedefender]

^ Awesome a free Slipknot poster. Yesss!;)

[joe2005]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YeT-exPt1U4/TLpIj9bSwiI/AAAAAAAAIt4/1VG4BZa3kYg/s1600/arriba.jpg

[realy]

was watching full metal jacket and at the end of the movie when they are hunting a sniper through a building you see the old south vietnam flag upside down so that it shows a pentagram in the backround throughout most of the scene, they finaly shoot the sniper, she writhes in agony as they decide what to do with her finaly she is taken out of her misery, all the while there is a dark ambient ritualistic soundtrac during the finale, got me thinking that it was a subliminal message overall and possibly a trigger perhaps to monarchs and mks?

[joe2005]

was watching full metal jacket and at the end of the movie when they are hunting a sniper through a building you see the old south vietnam flag upside down so that it shows a pentagram in the backround throughout most of the scene, they finaly shoot the sniper, she writhes in agony as they decide what to do with her finaly she is taken out of her misery, all the while there is a dark ambient ritualistic soundtrac during the finale, got me thinking that it was a subliminal message overall and possibly a trigger perhaps to monarchs and mks?

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8383/68172108.jpg

[joe2005]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1528/57069158.jpg http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3774/58975173.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8879/79374239.jpg

[realy]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8383/68172108.jpg

yeah thanks joe, i meant inverted pentagram or "sigil of baphomet. also the helmet "peace" symbol and born to kill, right in the face.

[joe2005]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8109/72577740.jpg

[joe2005]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8772/37515324.jpg

[joe2005]

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5631/99671329.jpg

[kiwimaj]

http://www.broadway.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/whoopi-goldberg-poppins.jpghttp://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3121/leona.jpg
A few more :rolleyes:

[heuer]

Although I note the connection between many, I think it's kinda fair to say a significant amount of pictures here are a coincidence...

I mean I am sure I've done that action many times during my life, that doesn't necessarily mean I am the spawn of Satan or something (or am I? :eek:).

[kiwimaj]

http://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Files/EditorialThumbnails/1446/Little-chef.jpg

:cool:

[jannie baby]

You got that right! The "pope" (aka the Dark High Priest) probably thinks of himself as "God" on Earth.

That's what I was taught in Catholic grammar school--that the pope is infallible and that when he issues decrees or makes speeches ex cathedra (i.e., pertaining to the church), it is actually God that is speaking through him. Not just "divinely inspired," but the literal voice of God.

I was about 12 years old when I finally decided that I'd had enough of that crap.