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ghostdogg

07-10-2009, 04:44 PM

rumour has it ( in the netherlands and webbot ) that the big one is coming this month ... any experts on the matter ... what are your toughts ?
peace :) :) :)

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 04:46 PM

rumour has it ( in the netherlands and webbot ) that the big one is coming this month ... any experts on the matter ... what are your toughts ?
peace :) :) :)

it will indeed happen b4 xmas

tfx08

07-10-2009, 04:50 PM

And gold just keeps going up n up!...manipulation everywhere...it sure is starting to get a little TOO wacky...

mr sunny

07-10-2009, 04:53 PM

it will indeed happen b4 xmas

Mr Sunny agrees with you, maybe November and this is from a reliable source.

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 04:58 PM

Mr Sunny agrees with you, maybe November and this is from a reliable source.

i work in a large bank ;)

rodin

07-10-2009, 05:16 PM

i work in a large bank ;)

It will be designed to catch people out. The media are starting to shout recovery. All co-ordinated

Not sure what will happen to gold - everything is crooked in this crime of the century - actually the culmination of a much older plan.

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 05:36 PM

It will be designed to catch people out. The media are starting to shout recovery. All co-ordinated

Not sure what will happen to gold - everything is crooked in this crime of the century - actually the culmination of a much older plan.

the gold argument is flawed - it will be worthless to the mass population when the SHTF!

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 05:45 PM

Mr Sunny agrees with you, maybe November and this is from a reliable source.

i work in a large bank ;)

Ok, we have just sold our house, how long have we got to buy a new place?

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 05:47 PM

Ok, we have just sold our house, how long have we got to buy a new place?

If you buy it out rite - fine - if it is a morgage the house maybe reclaimed by the cash strapped bank - unless the government bail them out again!

mr sunny

07-10-2009, 05:48 PM

If you buy it out rite - fine - if it is a morgage the house maybe reclaimed by the cash strapped bank - unless the government bail them out again!

This is a very risky time to get a mortgage but Mr Sunny has an uneasy feeling with the next government bail out after november.

wakeup2nwo

07-10-2009, 05:49 PM

the gold argument is flawed - it will be worthless to the mass population when the SHTF!

how do you come to that conclusion?

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 05:52 PM

If you buy it out rite - fine - if it is a morgage the house maybe reclaimed by the cash strapped bank - unless the government bail them out again!

So you are not say that there will be a complete ceasing of transactions? Are you talking about a general worsening of the economic situation?

I have noticed that the house prices are slowly going up, surely this is just to fool people in to thinking the economic situation is getting better. Where are the jobs ffs, I don't see any green shoots of recovering, there are still people out of work and the few jobs that are available are paying crappy wages at the same time as taxes rising.

Obviously the standard of living is continuing to fall in the UK, what are your views on all of this?

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 05:53 PM

how do you come to that conclusion?

well - the TRUE gold is being bought up by the government, when the SHTF people will not wwant to trade gold, rice and salt will be worth more amoung the masses.

you wont be aloud to trade gold cause they will controll it like they used to.

also when the system is back online only NEW gold will be aloud! - AKA rothschild gold.

Simples!

mr sunny

07-10-2009, 05:54 PM

So you are not say that there will be a complete ceasing of transactions? Are you talking about a general worsening of the economic situation?

I have noticed that the house prices are slowly going up, surely this is just to fool people in to thinking the economic situation is getting better. Where are the jobs ffs, I don't see any green shoots of recovering, there are still people out of work and the few jobs that are available are paying crappy wages at the same time as taxes rising.

Obviously the standard of living is continuing to fall in the UK, what are your views on all of this?

This reason combined with the increase in gold has made Mr Sunny very wary in buying property. At the start of this year Mr Sunny was going to purchase a 2 bedroom flat in the city centre until his working hours were reduced immensely. There is no security within the banking system now, and adding to this a new overhaul may be introduced after the elections have happened.

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 05:55 PM

So you are not say that there will be a complete ceasing of transactions? Are you talking about a general worsening of the economic situation?

I have noticed that the house prices are slowly going up, surely this is just to fool people in to thinking the economic situation is getting better. Where are the jobs ffs, I don't see any green shoots of recovering, there are still people out of work and the few jobs that are available are paying crappy wages at the same time as taxes rising.

Obviously the standard of living is continuing to fall in the UK, what are your views on all of this?

Buy a small house and make it self sufficent. you wont go wrong. invest the leftover cash in anteques or paintings and shit - these will go up in value after the next war - (coming to a town neer you soon)

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 06:05 PM

Buy a small house and make it self sufficent. you wont go wrong. invest the leftover cash in anteques or paintings and shit - these will go up in value after the next war - (coming to a town neer you soon)

I don't know about the antiques and paintings, I would probably rather spend the money on a greenhouse and chickens!

What war anyway? Can you eleborate on that?

torus

07-10-2009, 06:22 PM

depending on who you listen to, the "BIG ONE" has been coming since the time of the Biblical prophet Daniel. If you listen to Steve Quayle, the BIG ONE is ALWAYS just around the corner and you had best GET YOUR SPIRITUAL house in order before Jesus lays a whoopin' on your ass!

I for on have HAD IT!! the "big one".....just ain't comin'!

At this point I'm starting to wonder if the whole thing is another psyop designed to distract and instill fear and convince, for me, that North Americans are "suffering". Fuck it, and don't worry about it

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 06:24 PM

mightiswrong

07-10-2009, 06:54 PM

This guy is making out like a bandit. ;)

Holzer no longer has to do anything, and the income from the domain will grow spontaneously, because nature is generous. The value of each plant planted ten years ago has grown a hundred-fold (and sometimes a thousand-fold), once, moreover, it has reproduced itself many times without the help of man, augmenting his passive income yearly in increasing progression.
http://www.krameterhof.at/en/index.php?id=rueckblick

diamond dogs

07-10-2009, 07:31 PM

well - the TRUE gold is being bought up by the government, when the SHTF people will not wwant to trade gold, rice and salt will be worth more amoung the masses.

you wont be aloud to trade gold cause they will controll it like they used to.

also when the system is back online only NEW gold will be aloud! - AKA rothschild gold.

Simples!

I can't see people having the cash to buy a place to be self sufficient and this would still take time to complete even if they could.. I don't know if it is worth start withdrawing monies from the banks?

I don't understand the Gold argument ..22ct Gold is 22ct Gold..there can be no differential when it is smelt down and salt is in abundance it can be got relatively easily but it is another cheap item to stock..rice is a good item to stock for sure i.e 5 x 5 kg bags would be a good idea?

I think I have secured an allotment which is also near a river with moorings so looking to buy a small boat :).. I think good advise is to have at leeast £500 cash handy...as soon as the $ starts to drop...get to the shops...don't rely on cash machines and get as much essentials as possible..the sheep will be glued to their TV sets..so Be Prepared if nothing else?

I still think 2010 (ZION olympic logo) after the ratification and £ to collapse to join the € looks more likely imo so I wouldn't panic but at least you should have some contingency plan in place?

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 07:56 PM

I don't know about the antiques and paintings, I would probably rather spend the money on a greenhouse and chickens!

What war anyway? Can you eleborate on that?

i meant if you had cash left over :)

WW3 comes after WW2 - how long did you want them to wait? the plan is in motion, some say we are allready at war.

we were at war with germany for 4 years before the bombs and troups were used.

unfortunetly there is no stopping it now!

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 07:57 PM

I don't understand the Gold argument ..22ct Gold is 22ct Gold..there can be no differential when it is smelt down and salt is in abundance it can be got relatively easily but it is another cheap item to stock..rice is a good item to stock for sure i.e 5 x 5 kg bags would be a good idea?

That would be too logical for people :-)

They make the rules not you - look to history they done this after WW1 and 2

mightiswrong

07-10-2009, 07:58 PM

I don't know. This sounds like a better deal than a city apartment.

Abbery Wood - SOLD, Cornwall - About 5 ¼ acres, £35,000
http://www.woodlands.co.uk/woods/cornwall-and-west-devon/abbery-wood-1-small.jpg

A secluded conifer wood set in open countryside and close to many beauty spots and leisure facilities.

The woodland is still young, providing the owners with the opportunity to create their own special place.
http://www.woodlands.co.uk/buying-a-wood/cornwall-and-west-devon/

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 08:02 PM

I don't know. It looks like people in the know are buying land.

http://www.woodlands.co.uk/buying-a-wood/cornwall-and-west-devon/

that is what i meant by a self sufficent house - a house doesnt have to have walls - well untill you build the ;-)

a house is a place you call home - preferably a few achers of land lol

wake_up_bomb

07-10-2009, 08:04 PM

I have noticed that the house prices are slowly going up, surely this is just to fool people in to thinking the economic situation is getting better.
I agree completely, there are entire websites devoted to this subject alone. Somehow people have been conned into thinking that if they live in a house that they 'paid' 300K for (obviously I'm using paid in the loosest terms possible), then it means that they're well off, keeping up with the Joneses. Things are undoubtedly going to get pretty nasty financially, hopefully not as bad as with Argentina and the IMF. But you never know. I think it will be before the next election as it seems pretty clear than Cameron is being set-up to be the next PM, and he's already warning that the Tories are going to make us drink some nasty medicine, but it's for our own good...

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 08:42 PM

that is what i meant by a self sufficent house - a house doesnt have to have walls - well untill you build the ;-)

a house is a place you call home - preferably a few achers of land lol

It is exremely difficult to get planning permission to build on land. Even if you own the land you are not allowed to have a permanent dwelling there.

I am just going to stick to living in a normal house in a village!

I agree completely, there are entire websites devoted to this subject alone. Somehow people have been conned into thinking that if they live in a house that they 'paid' 300K for (obviously I'm using paid in the loosest terms possible), then it means that they're well off, keeping up with the Joneses. Things are undoubtedly going to get pretty nasty financially, hopefully not as bad as with Argentina and the IMF. But you never know. I think it will be before the next election as it seems pretty clear than Cameron is being set-up to be the next PM, and he's already warning that the Tories are going to make us drink some nasty medicine, but it's for our own good...

How can they justify putting the house prices up, I don't think people are willing to pay the extra money right now. People know that the economy is in a bad way, people are still losing jobs, there are still no jobs about for those who are unemployed, most people can see through this shit.

ghostdogg

07-10-2009, 08:53 PM

branjo

07-10-2009, 09:44 PM

this is my situation ... my gut tells me we are not so far away from a crash were most of the money won 't be worth a sheit ... so i am preparing to help myself with bying food for a while , and investing my leftovers in things to barter ... sigarets , booze etc ( when you have control of the dope , you control the joint ... :D ) and by my instincts , sigarets and booze will be easy to use as currency ... luckaly i don't have much to loose , i never was a rich man ... :) :) :)

I like your way of thinking there....lol.

Bloody true though, in a shit world people will have sorrows to drown, its not a bad idea at all, and not a bad climate to open a bar that you can smoke in either...lol

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 10:01 PM

It is exremely difficult to get planning permission to build on land. Even if you own the land you are not allowed to have a permanent dwelling there.

I am just going to stick to living in a normal house in a village!

How can they justify putting the house prices up, I don't think people are willing to pay the extra money right now. People know that the economy is in a bad way, people are still losing jobs, there are still no jobs about for those who are unemployed, most people can see through this shit.

if u use the resources from the land u own and it is in fitting with the landscape you need no permission - so a log cabin made from your trees needs no planning.

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 10:05 PM

if u use the resources from the land u own and it is in fitting with the landscape you need no permission - so a log cabin made from your trees needs no planning.

That is not what I have read. If you can prove that you need to stay there to work the land you can have a caravan, otherwise you are not allowed. A few acres of woodland is nothing compared to the price of a house. They don't want people being self sufficient and not being in debt.

wazaaap

07-10-2009, 10:07 PM

That is not what I have read. If you can prove that you need to stay there to work the land you can have a caravan, otherwise you are not allowed. A few acres of woodland is nothing compared to the price of a house. They don't want people being self sufficient and not being in debt.

the law must have changed then>? i must look into that!

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 10:12 PM

the law must have changed then>? i must look into that!

I say that because friends of mine were going to buy some land and build a place, but they were told that they had to be able to prove they needed to stay there to work the land. And I a, pretty sure that she said that they could have only stayed in a caravan. Just her husband could have stayed in a permanent dwelling there, but not her and the child as they did not have to live there to work.

How much does that suck, you can buy bits of countryside and woodland for a few grand, but you're not allowed to make a little house there for yourself. In all honesty you could probably do it and tell 'em to sod off if they tell you you have to move :D

comma berenices

07-10-2009, 10:14 PM

I received the new addition of the UK Column this morning,they have a run an article on the crash,predicting a total economic collapse within weeks.

Looks like things are going to get very tough.

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 10:18 PM

I received the new addition of the UK Column this morning,they have a run an article on the crash,predicting a total economic collapse within weeks.

Looks like things are going to get very tough.

Is this article available online?

comma berenices

07-10-2009, 10:20 PM

Is this article available online?

I have'nt looked to be honest,the column have a link on TPUC site.I'll take a look and add a link if it's available.

It seems it's not,i can't locate it,sorry,it's a damn interesting read too.

the nine

07-10-2009, 10:31 PM

I say that because friends of mine were going to buy some land and build a place, but they were told that they had to be able to prove they needed to stay there to work the land. And I a, pretty sure that she said that they could have only stayed in a caravan. Just her husband could have stayed in a permanent dwelling there, but not her and the child as they did not have to live there to work.

How much does that suck, you can buy bits of countryside and woodland for a few grand, but you're not allowed to make a little house there for yourself. In all honesty you could probably do it and tell 'em to sod off if they tell you you have to move :D

you could put a rather nice static caravan for each person on your land..once it gets a postal address and you been there for a few years, they would struggle to decline a more permanent abode.. ;)

to beat them you must think outside the box, and plan for years :)

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 10:36 PM

I have'nt looked to be honest,the column have a link on TPUC site.I'll take a look and add a link if it's available.

It seems it's not,i can't locate it,sorry,it's a damn interesting read too.

Are you able to summarise content? What do they expect to happen?

you could put a rather nice static caravan for each person on your land..once it gets a postal address and you been there for a few years, they would struggle to decline a more permanent abode.. ;)

to beat them you must think outside the box, and plan for years :)

Great idea :)

dolores1

07-10-2009, 10:52 PM

the nine

07-10-2009, 10:55 PM

I got an email this morning from a very large stock advisor saying the USA had handed over control of the Dollar to the IMF during the G20 summit!

I will try to post this tomorrow as it is in work.

Gold prices are linked to the dollar but as the dollar becomes more worthless this will escalate further. It is a false value linked to the USA dollar. You can't eat gold.

Don't buy houses etc. at present. Rent, then you have flexability for you and your family. If you can afford a spot in the country, buy or rent it. You can use a caravan as if it were a holiday home.

It takes tptb time to sort through their schemes to make them appear legal.

Join up with others as there is more strength in unity. Also be careful of what you buy, don't make yourself a target by having a commodity that people will kill to get. Drink etc.

sounds like fear fella..
how can you pay your rent with crashed currency?

in kind?? ;)

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 10:58 PM

I got an email this morning from a very large stock advisor saying the USA had handed over control of the Dollar to the IMF during the G20 summit!

I will try to post this tomorrow as it is in work.

Gold prices are linked to the dollar but as the dollar becomes more worthless this will escalate further. It is a false value linked to the USA dollar. You can't eat gold.

Don't buy houses etc. at present. Rent, then you have flexability for you and your family. If you can afford a spot in the country, buy or rent it. You can use a caravan as if it were a holiday home.

It takes tptb time to sort through their schemes to make them appear legal.

Join up with others as there is more strength in unity. Also be careful of what you buy, don't make yourself a target by having a commodity that people will kill to get. Drink etc.

If you are selling a house and buying another it probably doen't make much difference. I have to stay near my sons school, so I won't be going far, I already live away from any major population centres, the nearest city is probably Gloucester.

I don't see how renting is any better than having a mortgage.

As for stuff that people would like to steal, I am tee total these days, and I am also a bit of a minimalist who hates clutter, I've bugger all to steal!

diamond dogs

07-10-2009, 11:09 PM

Anyone fancy a share in this wood..Old Pond Wood Essex...3 people with legal fees £20k apiece

Set within a larger area of private woodland with very good access, Old Pond Wood is a delightful mixed and mature woodland; where oak, ash, beech and horse chestnut are offset by a scattering of pine trees including some outstanding Coastal Redwoods. The gently sloping, well-drained terrain, give a sense of both space and intimacy. Here you might spot some of the thirty species of birds that have been recorded in the wood, or perhaps a small muntjac deer, a fox, or badger.

http://www.woodlands.co.uk/woods/east-anglia/old-pond-wood-1.jpghttp://www.woodlands.co.uk/woods/east-anglia/old-pond-wood-8.jpg
http://www.woodlands.co.uk/buying-a-wood/east-anglia/old-pond-wood/

comma berenices

07-10-2009, 11:10 PM

Basically it says that we have been lulled into a false sense of security by the bank bailout's.The banks are not solvent.

The bailout policy is hyperinflationary,the cost of a loaf of bread is going to rocket.

The economy is not looking up,the dollar and the pound are going to collapse and it will cause the economies of every country in the world to collapse too.

It states britain and the world will be a very different place by christmas at the latest, if not sooner.

The article is much longer that this but it will give a general idea of what it says.

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 11:16 PM

dolores1

07-10-2009, 11:20 PM

If you are selling a house and buying another it probably doen't make much difference. I have to stay near my sons school, so I won't be going far, I already live away from any major population centres, the nearest city is probably Gloucester.

I don't see how renting is any better than having a mortgage.

As for stuff that people would like to steal, I am tee total these days, and I am also a bit of a minimalist who hates clutter, I've bugger all to steal!

I hope not fear.:D

Just trying my best to help.

There will be no schools if teachers are not getting paid.
Minimilist is best, I am just trying to help with the changes there might be,
people will then have to help each other out but not all people will think of sharing, just taking.

These sort won't care.

Rent can be bartered, mortgages can't.

arty2000

07-10-2009, 11:22 PM

the gold argument is flawed - it will be worthless to the mass population when the SHTF!

good point,,you cant eat gold...unless you have it in your hands all you have is amounts typed on a computer screen.

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 11:24 PM

good point,,you cant eat gold...unless you have it in your hands all you have is amounts typed on a computer screen.

yeh, I have been wondering this for a while. Also, most gold you buy is kept somewhere else anyway.

It's not a very practical item in terms of day to day living!

arty2000

07-10-2009, 11:24 PM

This reason combined with the increase in gold has made Mr Sunny very wary in buying property. At the start of this year Mr Sunny was going to purchase a 2 bedroom flat in the city centre until his working hours were reduced immensely. There is no security within the banking system now, and adding to this a new overhaul may be introduced after the elections have happened.

me thinks Mr. Sunny has hit the nail on the head:cool:

wakeup2nwo

07-10-2009, 11:30 PM

That is not what I have read. If you can prove that you need to stay there to work the land you can have a caravan, otherwise you are not allowed. A few acres of woodland is nothing compared to the price of a house. They don't want people being self sufficient and not being in debt.

why dont you buy land and a static caravan and grow veg? that way you are working the land, just a sugestion!

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 11:35 PM

me thinks Mr. Sunny has hit the nail on the head:cool:

why dont you buy land and a static caravan and grow veg? that way you are working the land, just a sugestion!

I have thought about this, but I would get claustrophobic sharing a caravan with 2 other people.

bluehorseman

07-10-2009, 11:37 PM

Over here they are relating house price increases to a large influx of immigration as many kiwis who were living overseas return home cashed up and happy to be back, and its a big number too some 21000 of them last year to August. Thats a lot of houses to find. It is also related to the low interest rates here and around the world at the mo designed to stimulate borrowing and curb inflation.
I was told that the next crash will be after the Christians celebrate the birth of Christ by buying meaningless shit, they will make sure we spend what we have left first then crash it again.
There was no way the dow should have capitulated at 6000 points last year - it has to get lower for sure. It will be a bumpy ride but hopefully we will all be in the same boat and the government will step in and admit the banking system has failed and force the banks to re-mortgage our houses based on their real value as they stand in the light of a failed banking system and take the losses themselves on the chin (and so they should after so many years of getting fat off us) and at least that way they will get some money in and the government wont have thousands of homeless families on the streets. That would be the sensible thing to do anyway imo. Someone has to take a hit - why does it have to be the little guy all the time is what i want to know? What is with the all the apathy in the world - it wasn't too long ago things like this would have caused a violent revolution.

arty2000

07-10-2009, 11:37 PM

yeh, I have been wondering this for a while. Also, most gold you buy is kept somewhere else anyway.

It's not a very practical item in terms of day to day living!

yep...and if /when the banks/economy collapses who is going to collect mortgages and rents and what would they get paid with?

arty2000

07-10-2009, 11:39 PM

I have thought about this, but I would get claustrophobic sharing a caravan with 2 other people.

just pitch yourself a tent and build a little fire...now thats cozy:)

comma berenices

07-10-2009, 11:41 PM

Damn, that doesn't sound good, I hope they are wrong, I am trying to move at the moment :(

So do i,i hope things work out for you with your move,even without this news it's a difficult time to be buying and selling property,i know of people who have given up and have stayed put untill things improve,mostly because of negative equity in their properties.

I'm going to keep my food stocks up just in case.

unusual_suspect

07-10-2009, 11:50 PM

So do i,i hope things work out for you with your move,even without this news it's a difficult time to be buying and selling property,i know of people who have given up and have stayed put untill things improve,mostly because of negative equity in their properties.

I'm going to keep my food stocks up just in case.

What can you do? I didn't think I would be having to move so soon. I only moved 6 months ago - doh! What can you do when circumstances force you in to these situations though? You just have to go for it really otherwise you might end up screwed either way.

just pitch yourself a tent and build a little fire...now thats cozy:)

Now that's more like it ;)

bluehorseman

07-10-2009, 11:51 PM

Yes hi usual suspect my advice would be definitely to get something freehold if you can - if you are prepared to go self suff then you are obviously prepared to get dirty so it wont matter if you can't buy the best house in the street I take it so you should go mortgage free. I reckon a village is a good idea where you can help each other in tough times - 10 guys can turn over an acre in less time than one with shovels.

andyh

07-10-2009, 11:58 PM

yep...and if /when the banks/economy collapses who is going to collect mortgages and rents and what would they get paid with?

It's true that a roof over your head is probably #1 on the list of important things...

Sell whatever house you have , disappear into the boondocks somewhere if you can and get a long term rent.
If you play your cards right then you'll find a landlord who doesn't give two hoots about the house so long as it's lived in and he makes a buck or two. When the crap hits the fan you offer to work on the house instead of paying rent and he'll be glad because he won't be able to rent it out to anyone else anyway...also make sure the house has a private water supply.

If everything we are witnessing today does indeed pan out the way that Icke and Jones et al predict then you need to be doing this right now tbh. I drive over 60 miles into work everyday and I'm happy to do it. Learn to fish, compost garbage and grow your own veg.

It's all do-able, you'll also find that in rural areas the locals will tend to stick together and help each other. More so in some places than others. I have to admit, I thought I was nuts at first :) I don't feel daft in the least bit now. I'm enjoying life a little more...especially at weekends!
The peace,tranquility and fresh air do wonders, it's a bit like being on a permanent holiday :)

comma berenices

08-10-2009, 12:06 AM

[QUOTE=unusual_suspect;1058315931]What can you do? I didn't think I would be having to move so soon. I only moved 6 months ago - doh! What can you do when circumstances force you in to these situations though? You just have to go for it really otherwise you might end up screwed either way.

You have to go with what your circumstance dictate at the time.

It's a risk anytime.Like you said you just have to go for it.

arty2000

08-10-2009, 12:21 AM

It's true that a roof over your head is probably #1 on the list of important things...

Sell whatever house you have , disappear into the boondocks somewhere if you can and get a long term rent.
If you play your cards right then you'll find a landlord who doesn't give two hoots about the house so long as it's lived in and he makes a buck or two. When the crap hits the fan you offer to work on the house instead of paying rent and he'll be glad because he won't be able to rent it out to anyone else anyway...also make sure the house has a private water supply.

If everything we are witnessing today does indeed pan out the way that Icke and Jones et al predict then you need to be doing this right now tbh. I drive over 60 miles into work everyday and I'm happy to do it. Learn to fish, compost garbage and grow your own veg.

It's all do-able, you'll also find that in rural areas the locals will tend to stick together and help each other. More so in some places than others. I have to admit, I thought I was nuts at first :) I don't feel daft in the least bit now. I'm enjoying life a little more...especially at weekends!
The peace,tranquility and fresh air do wonders, it's a bit like being on a permanent holiday :)

very good points:)

mcmenek1

08-10-2009, 12:28 AM

good point,,you cant eat gold...unless you have it in your hands all you have is amounts typed on a computer screen.

That's true you can't eat gold but you can use gold & Silver to buy food and supplies, if the currency/economy collapses you will need something of value to trade for food and supplies, you can only store so much food & water for an emergency......what will you do in 6 months or 12 months time when your emergency supplies have gone, currency can end up worthless, whereas gold & silver will always have value.......this is what happens when a nations currency collapses.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCAy96s0f8

Love
&
Peace

mind1universe

08-10-2009, 12:31 AM

strengthofknowledge

08-10-2009, 12:37 AM

im an expert on life, and i say we need to quit all this talking and start ACTIONS... take control of your environment ...

andyh

08-10-2009, 12:39 AM

Silver is what I keep mostly, it's affordable for most folks and easily divisible for small trades.

That said, you can barter with just about anything so long as there's a demand for it. There may well come a time when a bottle of whiskey is of more interest to people than gold :)
Or coal,peat,wood,seeds. I suppose it all depends how bad things get and how paranoid you are :D
I'm trying to convince my wife to homebrew wine and make jam etc at the moment.

the nine

08-10-2009, 01:18 AM

I personally cannot wait for the finacial collapse. It seems that the economy is getting more worse by the day. I LIKE IT.

It will force people to look to mother Gaia and not to our elites ;)

We will suddenly realise that in order to get food on our table we need to get off our ass and grow food! In that people will start to have sense again. The change is now. Do what you can to help mother earth through the transition. She looks after you everyday. It's time we stopped worrying about the matrix reality of money and gizbobs!!

Peace!

if it really does get as bad as predicted in this forum then i think there will be violence not seen here for a very very long time..
as the saying goes.." the most advanced societies on earth are only 3 meals away from a revolution"..
i think anarchy and chaos will prevail before the dredded 'new order out' of chaos arrives..all planned and welcomed with open arms by all!!

mind1universe

08-10-2009, 01:42 AM

if it really does get as bad as predicted in this forum then i think there will be violence not seen here for a very very long time..
as the saying goes.." the most advanced societies on earth are only 3 meals away from a revolution"..
i think anarchy and chaos will prevail before the dredded 'new order out' of chaos arrives..all planned and welcomed with open arms by all!!

The violence will be temporary in my view. I believe it is up to many like me to asist the world. Not saying that I am saving the world or anything, but it's true there are 144,000 representatives of humanity here to asist this transition to the next stage. The evolution is now. This is not some ordinary revolution. This is a total washout. The planet is been polished as we speak if you think about it. But whatever fear comes up we must face it. Whatever challenge comes up we must face it. We are here together and we will prove to the universe we are a force to be reckoned with.

We are here at this time for a good reason. It has come to this, it is up to us and whos aware to make the difference to the world that is required. Each of you have a purpose and you wil know what you have to do as the time approaches.

The most important thing I suggest is do not be afraid. This is for the betterment of mankind. I am not representing the elites or any faction of power. I represent you. I represent the ascension of humanity to the galactic level.

Peace.
Get out in nature too! Radiate love and light to others every little helps.

arty2000

08-10-2009, 02:19 AM

That's true you can't eat gold but you can use gold & Silver to buy food and supplies, if the currency/economy collapses you will need something of value to trade for food and supplies, you can only store so much food & water for an emergency......what will you do in 6 months or 12 months time when your emergency supplies have gone, currency can end up worthless, whereas gold & silver will always have value.......this is what happens when a nations currency collapses.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCAy96s0f8

Love
&
Peace

true....but how long will gold and silver last,unless someone has a vault in the basement loaded with this stuff that wont last long either...most folks prob have numbers on a computer that say they have this or that but all the folks who own the computers have to do is turn them off,now you have nothing in the way of these things...I just dont consider those things to be important no matter what happens:)

have a beautiful day:)

arty2000

08-10-2009, 02:21 AM

hadabusa

08-10-2009, 05:59 AM

how do you come to that conclusion?

by thinking.

and also check the vid in my sig for a nice,fat wtf sensation:eek:

yozhik

08-10-2009, 08:29 AM

I say that because friends of mine were going to buy some land and build a place, but they were told that they had to be able to prove they needed to stay there to work the land. And I a, pretty sure that she said that they could have only stayed in a caravan. Just her husband could have stayed in a permanent dwelling there, but not her and the child as they did not have to live there to work.

How much does that suck, you can buy bits of countryside and woodland for a few grand, but you're not allowed to make a little house there for yourself. In all honesty you could probably do it and tell 'em to sod off if they tell you you have to move :D

But does that actually make sense?

You buy it, you own it, but someone else is going to tell you whether you can live on it or not?

Just another illustrative example of how much of an ass the 'law' really is.
Shell and pea game.

yozhik

08-10-2009, 08:35 AM

sounds like fear fella..
how can you pay your rent with crashed currency?

in kind?? ;)

How would you propose paying a mortgage with a 'crashed currency'?

Ah fuck it ... just more smoke and mirrors.
You're called 'the tenant' in the mortgage agreement anyway.
You don't own the property; you are 'the tenant' with first lien position.
What is bought and sold are the rights to this lien position.

worlds beyond

08-10-2009, 09:18 AM

According to today's BBC News Business pages..

"UK economy 'is still not growing'

Contrary to expectations, the UK economy did not grow between July and September, an influential economic body predicts..................."

....and the US deficit is now at a record $1.4Trillion....

.... and the whole situation re housing bubble in UK and US is NOT over by a long shot (depsite latest media/banking reports).... for a more accurate appraisal of the situation and house prices vs wages, see:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/stephanieflanders/2009/10/house_prices_too_good_to_be_true.html

.... and the unemployment in US is at 26 year high, and UK is not far off same...

Plus the derivitaves, bailout Trillions, etc etc etc...

.... plus the major world leaders are en-route to a major war...

the economy (as it has been) is a dodo. It's just a matter of time before the whole system cannot be propped up any longer and crumbles.. or implodes.

My view is, there will come a day (not too far off) when currency will no longer exist. Not just the US Dollar. But all money.

jonahmc

08-10-2009, 10:11 AM

That is not what I have read. If you can prove that you need to stay there to work the land you can have a caravan, otherwise you are not allowed. A few acres of woodland is nothing compared to the price of a house. They don't want people being self sufficient and not being in debt.

If the log cabin is on wheels then it's classed as a caravan.

wakeup2nwo

08-10-2009, 10:17 AM

by thinking.

and also check the vid in my sig for a nice,fat wtf sensation:eek:

when im asking you ill reply to you :D

frase

08-10-2009, 10:30 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but if the dollar collapses as I keep hearing, in simple terms what are the effects of this on American Citizens?

fekdemasons

08-10-2009, 10:53 AM

The violence will be temporary in my view. I believe it is up to many like me to asist the world. Not saying that I am saving the world or anything, but it's true there are 144,000 representatives of humanity here to asist this transition to the next stage. The evolution is now. This is not some ordinary revolution. This is a total washout. The planet is been polished as we speak if you think about it. But whatever fear comes up we must face it. Whatever challenge comes up we must face it. We are here together and we will prove to the universe we are a force to be reckoned with.

We are here at this time for a good reason. It has come to this, it is up to us and whos aware to make the difference to the world that is required. Each of you have a purpose and you wil know what you have to do as the time approaches.

The most important thing I suggest is do not be afraid. This is for the betterment of mankind. I am not representing the elites or any faction of power. I represent you. I represent the ascension of humanity to the galactic level.

Peace.
Get out in nature too! Radiate love and light to others every little helps.

Do you work for tesco ?

wazaaap

08-10-2009, 02:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but if the dollar collapses as I keep hearing, in simple terms what are the effects of this on American Citizens?

It is not just the americans though! - think about it the global currency is the dollar!

everyone trades on it - it would affect the whole world! the only solution is a war - this happens time and time again!

We live on a system baised on Debt - DOLLAR DEBT! the US back most of that DEBT in the world they sold lots to Russia and China, and they are in DEBT to them! - so if the dollar crashes the chinees russians and of course the Euro countrys wont be pleased- they will blame USA and war will break out so that they can reclaim there assets.

Basically USA say we want to sell you some of our debt - china say ok we will buy it and if you dont repay it u have to give us an asset (gold, land, etc...) if USA say no then they will invade to reclaim it!.

that is how the rothschilds play the game! the Debt has to be ofsetted with ASSETS!

this causes conflict and wars - you wont hear about this in the MSM though lol

funkslug

08-10-2009, 03:23 PM

ben black

08-10-2009, 03:30 PM

The only thing I can't work out is why the russians are cosying up to the americans all of a sudden,

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.....

funkslug

08-10-2009, 03:42 PM

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.....

suppose..but according to www.whatdoesitmean.com(who apparently get their intel from the fsb), the russians are helping obama on a number of levels..

wazaaap

08-10-2009, 03:58 PM

read somewhere that the chinese have all but written off the US debt anyways...

but it seems to me there is war on the cards anyway, and the sides are just taking shape. The only thing I can't work out is why the russians are cosying up to the americans all of a sudden, when in real terms, they would appear to have more common ground with the chinese.

comments please

from what i see eveeryopne is cosying up to america! - china included - this is to justify the new world order.

"we stuck by america in her time of need, we had no choice in the end we had to take action"

The world population have sympthy because everyone is in depression - china and russia are heroes.

what you have to remember that people in germany saw nothing wron in what germany was doing - they loved it!

we are now doing the same - we think we are the allies - we are not in this war we are the criminals! - we will loose this war!

By we i mean the people not countrys!

hadabusa

08-10-2009, 04:55 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but if the dollar collapses as I keep hearing, in simple terms what are the effects of this on American Citizens?

something like this:

stock markets open in asia, some1 is getting rid of usd's in huge amounts.
many stay calm,others sell their usd too.
by the time eu stock markets open , usd will lose 5-10% ?value?.
more ppl selling.
by the time us stock markets open, nobody will accept the usd as payments, as nobody knows what itll be worth in the future.
that will make ppl run on cash automats,in order2exchange their usd to ANYTHING else.
of course, the cash machines will be empty in no time and will not be refilled.
ppl will run on banks2 get their money and exchange it.
banks will exchange any amount first, then put a 5k exchange limit,then 1k limit etc, and finally, theyll close.
bank hollyday.
this will happen within a day.
whatll happen too,uhm, economy?
well, ship with import goods will not deliver its goods because they will not accept usd4payment.
the food stores will be empty within hours.

now, you can be sure if it happens,this scenario ive described will be how itll happen.i know because it happened exactly the same way in jugoslavia.

it didnt end too good,as everybody knows (k,theres been more factors).

id say itsa good idea to stock up on food.massivelly.

hope this helped, obviously,if this happens, hell is gonna break loose, not bc we slaves lost the nothing weve owned, but bc food will be a luxury.
gas?lol.we will forget gas4a while.lol.

frase

08-10-2009, 05:26 PM

something like this:

stock markets open in asia, some1 is getting rid of usd's in huge amounts.
many stay calm,others sell their usd too.
by the time eu stock markets open , usd will lose 5-10% ?value?.
more ppl selling.
by the time us stock markets open, nobody will accept the usd as payments, as nobody knows what itll be worth in the future.
that will make ppl run on cash automats,in order2exchange their usd to ANYTHING else.
of course, the cash machines will be empty in no time and will not be refilled.
ppl will run on banks2 get their money and exchange it.
banks will exchange any amount first, then put a 5k exchange limit,then 1k limit etc, and finally, theyll close.
bank hollyday.
this will happen within a day.
whatll happen too,uhm, economy?
well, ship with import goods will not deliver its goods because they will not accept usd4payment.
the food stores will be empty within hours.

now, you can be sure if it happens,this scenario ive described will be how itll happen.i know because it happened exactly the same way in jugoslavia.

it didnt end too good,as everybody knows (k,theres been more factors).

id say itsa good idea to stock up on food.massivelly.

hope this helped, obviously,if this happens, hell is gonna break loose, not bc we slaves lost the nothing weve owned, but bc food will be a luxury.
gas?lol.we will forget gas4a while.lol.

Fucking hell-That bad....I kind of thought so....maybe an excuse to bring in martial law...

branjo

08-10-2009, 05:44 PM

something like this:

stock markets open in asia, some1 is getting rid of usd's in huge amounts.
many stay calm,others sell their usd too.
by the time eu stock markets open , usd will lose 5-10% ?value?.
more ppl selling.
by the time us stock markets open, nobody will accept the usd as payments, as nobody knows what itll be worth in the future.
that will make ppl run on cash automats,in order2exchange their usd to ANYTHING else.
of course, the cash machines will be empty in no time and will not be refilled.
ppl will run on banks2 get their money and exchange it.
banks will exchange any amount first, then put a 5k exchange limit,then 1k limit etc, and finally, theyll close.
bank hollyday.
this will happen within a day.
whatll happen too,uhm, economy?
well, ship with import goods will not deliver its goods because they will not accept usd4payment.
the food stores will be empty within hours.

now, you can be sure if it happens,this scenario ive described will be how itll happen.i know because it happened exactly the same way in jugoslavia.

it didnt end too good,as everybody knows (k,theres been more factors).

id say itsa good idea to stock up on food.massivelly.

hope this helped, obviously,if this happens, hell is gonna break loose, not bc we slaves lost the nothing weve owned, but bc food will be a luxury.
gas?lol.we will forget gas4a while.lol.

Fuck sake dude, that's like a Stephen King movie....lol.

But don't forget, it will still rain, and tree's will still grow, and fish will still swim. We got along for many thousands of years without running water, Cars and Walmart, and we can do it again if we have too. If you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs, then....I can't remember the rest of this saying, that would have made a really good end to this post.

Just remember the darkest hour of your life, is only 60 minutes :)

yozhik

08-10-2009, 06:13 PM

something like this:

stock markets open in asia, some1 is getting rid of usd's in huge amounts.
many stay calm,others sell their usd too.
by the time eu stock markets open , usd will lose 5-10% ?value?.
more ppl selling.
by the time us stock markets open, nobody will accept the usd as payments, as nobody knows what itll be worth in the future.
that will make ppl run on cash automats,in order2exchange their usd to ANYTHING else.
of course, the cash machines will be empty in no time and will not be refilled.
ppl will run on banks2 get their money and exchange it.
banks will exchange any amount first, then put a 5k exchange limit,then 1k limit etc, and finally, theyll close.
bank hollyday.
this will happen within a day.

The whole thing with this scenario - a global 'run on a currency' - is it could happen in the space of hours and all before the U.S market is awake.

It will start in Tokyo, ripple through later opening Asian markets, be developing into a wave when European markets open, until it unleashes the beast; London open.

For the currency market, London is the Daddy.
Last I read it contributes to about 60% of all currency trading, so by the time New York markets open, the Tsunami has well and truly formed and won't be stopped by some randomly placed sandbags which have been mustered together while the rest of America was sleeeping in their beds overnight.

whatll happen too,uhm, economy?
well, ship with import goods will not deliver its goods because they will not accept usd4payment.
It's already happening.
For months, some US companies have been sending invoices to overseas customers in SDR/XDR [IMF Special Drawing Rights]. So there are already signs that trade payments - even by simple 'Ma and Pa Kettle' businesses - don't value the USD.

wazaaap

08-10-2009, 06:16 PM

arty2000

08-10-2009, 06:36 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but if the dollar collapses as I keep hearing, in simple terms what are the effects of this on American Citizens?

this is/will be global.

arty2000

08-10-2009, 06:44 PM

suppose..but according to www.whatdoesitmean.com(who apparently get their intel from the fsb), the russians are helping obama on a number of levels..

the russian ceo leaders are just following orders as other ceo leaders are doing, this cozing up,embargos,economic wars etc. etc. is nothing more than sleight of hand for us so called common folk....dont let fear set in:)

have a beautiful day:)

hadabusa

08-10-2009, 06:50 PM

The whole thing with this scenario - a global 'run on a currency' - is it could happen in the space of hours and all before the U.S market is awake.

It will start in Tokyo, ripple through later opening Asian markets, be developing into a wave when European markets open, until it unleashes the beast; London open.

For the currency market, London is the Daddy.
Last I read it contributes to about 60% of all currency trading, so by the time New York markets open, the Tsunami has well and truly formed and won't be stopped by some randomly placed sandbags which have been mustered together while the rest of America was sleeeping in their beds overnight.

It's already happening.
For months, some US companies have been sending invoices to overseas customers in SDR/XDR [IMF Special Drawing Rights]. So there are already signs that trade payments - even by simple 'Ma and Pa Kettle' businesses - don't value the USD.

exactly, the usd will be trashed the moment eu stockmarket opens.
maybe even before that.
one things for sure, by the time us markets open, itll be too late already.
little do ppl know were talking about hours,not days(if it happens).

oh,the irony, american ppl having the usd crash while asleep.so symbolic.
of course, theres chances for a worldwide scenario like this, but i think the rest of the world will just isolate the usa(or theyll do it themselves).

riots and martial law would happen everywhere in america where ppl arent prepared(panicking,sheer hunger,robberys,etc),so everywhere,basically.

yup,ive read about the payment problem thing,yozhik, tough i tought it was a liquidity problem,not a usd trust problem .lol,how naive of me:D:D

hey,nice2see you know about SDR's:cool:
have you checked my sig?(the vid)

oh, then theres the china question,will they forgive or invade?
will THEY crash?lol,they sooo will.

either way, it could be worse, we will have to start from scratch anyway, hopefully wewill learn something from it,rather then continue running in circles

branjo, i know its movie material ,but thats EXACTLY how itll happen.
sry american ppl ,but i hope the usa will be isolated,in order2not drag us all down.
youve allowed the mess, youll have2drag yourselves out of it.i wish all the best upfront.
i personally try2explain this2all american ppl who wanna listen, theres not more i could do.
we,the slaves will prevail:cool:

yozhik,ive looked up why swiss guards are granted guarding the poop,erm,pope:D
more luck then anything else,it seems.

fear and clothing

08-10-2009, 06:52 PM

i'm having to sell up and find somewhere to live. i've been thinking about buying and living on some land for a while but the strict planning rules against building something like a straw bale house always put me off. i'm liking the caravan idea or straw bale house on wheels whilst working the land growing veg. :)

rodin

08-10-2009, 07:02 PM

Deripaska's firm to start paying debt in 2010

http://www.cnbc.com/id/33219732?__source=RSS*tag*&par=RSS

:rolleyes:

fear and clothing

08-10-2009, 07:08 PM

for those interested in living in the woods:

http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/planning_legislation.htm

http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/planning_system.htm

snapdragon

08-10-2009, 07:09 PM

Some good info. on http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/
Good for facts, but their predictions can be a bit shaky.
I like their tone, e.g. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, and Debt is Recovery"

yozhik

08-10-2009, 07:56 PM

this is/will be global.

It is any way.
And none of it is accidental or spontaneous combustion.

Just two interesting facts to chew over to show how much we know goes on and how much we don't ...

Fact 1
JP Morgan / Morgan Chase is considered one of the more 'conservative' derivatives 'players'.
Many of the instruments being traded [which they may even have created], they themselves
would not touch. Very strong risk management. CEO took them to something like 7 or 8 years
of continual growth while others fell around them. For his troubles, he was recently 'let go'.
He is [allegedly] now taking phone calls, but anyone interested in attracting him might have
to match his $40 million earnings for the last 2 years. Anyway ... all side issues ... JP Morgan ...
reputation for being solid, dependable and conservative in terms of derivatives ... still holds a
portfolio of $90 Trillion in derivatives.

The total, global GDP is USD $61 Trillion.

So a risk averse, solid, reliable, consistent and conservative banking operation has a larger
financial investment in negotiable and financial instruments, such as derivatives, as the entire
globe's combined GDP.

Still don't believe the bankers control the world?
Fact 2
A recent lovers quarrel between Goldman Sachs and one of their top software employees paved
the way for some interesting admissions in the subsequent allegations/investigations. Without
going through ALL the dirty laundry, Goldman Sachs admitted that their bespoke automatic trading
software was responsible for more than half the volume of the automatic trading on the entire
market, was capable of finding, securing, trading and accounting market arbitrage opportunities
[risk free] at the market leading speed of 50 nano seconds and that it was capable of being used
to manipulate the markets by creating the apearance of their being a tradeable position when in
reality one may not have existed.
OK ... so what does it mean in simple terms?
Goldman Sachs has a money making tree.
It's called automatic trading, which they have a proprietory piece of software for.
It constantly searches all markets for arbitrage situations and is somehow [yeah right] configured
or connected to all exchanges at a connection rate far superior to all other players, meaning they
can get in and out of trades before anyone has even got in.
100% risk free and 100% non-competitive.
Goldman Sachs makes $200 Million ... PER DAY ... from this branch of their operations.
Just breathe that stench in a little longer ... Goldman Sachs ... which has its tentacles throughout
Obama's Administration, has the means and the licence to print $200 million PER DAY in risk free,
non-competitive, pure profit ... at the expense of the market, which has zero means of fighting back,
resisting or playing the same game.

Bonus Fact
Thought I'd throw this in for nothing ...
the total derivatives market is estimated to be approx USD $1.5 Quadrillion ... that's $1,500 Trillion.

Again, let's put that into some perspective;
US GDP is approx $14 Trillion
EU GDP is approx $18 Trillion
Total World GDP is $61 Trillion
Total derivatives market is $1,500 Trillion.

This 'crisis' was caused by the collapse of the domestic mortgage market and its associated derivatives.
That's but a drop in the ocean of the whole derivatives market.
They're predicting the commercial mortgage market and its associated house of cards might be next ...

So yeah ... its global ... its fully understood, controlled, designed, structured and manipulated ...
as it always has been.

Like the domestic lightbulb; engineered to fail.

rodin

08-10-2009, 08:06 PM

arty2000

08-10-2009, 08:25 PM

It is any way.
And none of it is accidental or spontaneous combustion.

Just two interesting facts to chew over to show how much we know goes on and how much we don't ...

Fact 1
JP Morgan / Morgan Chase is considered one of the more 'conservative' derivatives 'players'.
Many of the instruments being traded [which they may even have created], they themselves
would not touch. Very strong risk management. CEO took them to something like 7 or 8 years
of continual growth while others fell around them. For his troubles, he was recently 'let go'.
He is [allegedly] now taking phone calls, but anyone interested in attracting him might have
to match his $40 million earnings for the last 2 years. Anyway ... all side issues ... JP Morgan ...
reputation for being solid, dependable and conservative in terms of derivatives ... still holds a
portfolio of $90 Trillion in derivatives.

The total, global GDP is USD $61 Trillion.

So a risk averse, solid, reliable, consistent and conservative banking operation has a larger
financial investment in negotiable and financial instruments, such as derivatives, as the entire
globe's combined GDP.

Still don't believe the bankers control the world?
Fact 2
A recent lovers quarrel between Goldman Sachs and one of their top software employees paved
the way for some interesting admissions in the subsequent allegations/investigations. Without
going through ALL the dirty laundry, Goldman Sachs admitted that their bespoke automatic trading
software was responsible for more than half the volume of the automatic trading on the entire
market, was capable of finding, securing, trading and accounting market arbitrage opportunities
[risk free] at the market leading speed of 50 nano seconds and that it was capable of being used
to manipulate the markets by creating the apearance of their being a tradeable position when in
reality one may not have existed.
OK ... so what does it mean in simple terms?
Goldman Sachs has a money making tree.
It's called automatic trading, which they have a proprietory piece of software for.
It constantly searches all markets for arbitrage situations and is somehow [yeah right] configured
or connected to all exchanges at a connection rate far superior to all other players, meaning they
can get in and out of trades before anyone has even got in.
100% risk free and 100% non-competitive.
Goldman Sachs makes $200 Million ... PER DAY ... from this branch of their operations.
Just breathe that stench in a little longer ... Goldman Sachs ... which has its tentacles throughout
Obama's Administration, has the means and the licence to print $200 million PER DAY in risk free,
non-competitive, pure profit ... at the expense of the market, which has zero means of fighting back,
resisting or playing the same game.

Bonus Fact
Thought I'd throw this in for nothing ...
the total derivatives market is estimated to be approx USD $1.5 Quadrillion ... that's $1,500 Trillion.

Again, let's put that into some perspective;
US GDP is approx $14 Trillion
EU GDP is approx $18 Trillion
Total World GDP is $61 Trillion
Total derivatives market is $1,500 Trillion.

This 'crisis' was caused by the collapse of the domestic mortgage market and its associated derivatives.
That's but a drop in the ocean of the whole derivatives market.
They're predicting the commercial mortgage market and its associated house of cards might be next ...

So yeah ... its global ... its fully understood, controlled, designed, structured and manipulated ...
as it always has been.

Like the domestic lightbulb; engineered to fail.

thanks for posting all that:).... but not everyone is part of the choir...yet that is:)

yozhik

08-10-2009, 08:46 PM

thanks for posting all that:).... but not everyone is part of the choir...yet that is:)

They don't have to be part of the choir ... they don't even need to be within spitting distance of the church!

Look at what happened in this most recent crisis.

The BAILOUTS were paid to the BANKS so they could honour their DERIVATIVES PAYMENTS and DEBT OBLIGATIONS to other BANKS [domestically and globally].

The cost was passed on to the 'taxpayers' for a crisis they never created, for gambling debts they never took part in, on products they never even knew existed, for $ amounts they could only ever pretend to comprehend and the terms of the 'loans' were the type of loan conditions the 'taxpayer' could only ever dream about.

Given that all Central Banks all have the one master [the B.I.S], its all a dog and pony show anyway.

So the BANKS gambled on financial bets with figures in the billions, with other BANKS ... some of those bets went bad ... there were genuine risks of those gambling debts not being paid, i.e 'defaulting on a derivatives payment' ... no 'bookie' would extend any more credit to the out of luck punter [credit freeze] ... so all the gamblers got together and blackmailed the various treasuries ...

pay our gambling debts or we shut the whole system down ... 'cos if you think this domestic housing mortgage derivative bubble is bad, you should see what we have backed up behind us, ready to unload ... trust me; you ain't seen nothing yet ...

So no choir required ... just a few rogue bards with big voices and classical training :)

decim

08-10-2009, 08:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhBXR7I-c4

So no choir required ... just a few rogue bards with big voices and classical training :)

yozhik

08-10-2009, 09:00 PM

It is not just the americans though! - think about it the global currency is the dollar!

everyone trades on it - it would affect the whole world! the only solution is a war - this happens time and time again!

We live on a system baised on Debt - DOLLAR DEBT! the US back most of that DEBT in the world they sold lots to Russia and China, and they are in DEBT to them! - so if the dollar crashes the chinees russians and of course the Euro countrys wont be pleased- they will blame USA and war will break out so that they can reclaim there assets.

Basically USA say we want to sell you some of our debt - china say ok we will buy it and if you dont repay it u have to give us an asset (gold, land, etc...) if USA say no then they will invade to reclaim it!.

that is how the rothschilds play the game! the Debt has to be ofsetted with ASSETS!

this causes conflict and wars - you wont hear about this in the MSM though lol

Germany has already asked a number of times for their gold reserves to be returned to German soil, from US soil.

That polite request has not been given an affirmative response as yet, sparking speculation that the gold may not actually exist; i.e. the US has [fraudulently] used it to fund its own transactions and possibly sold the gold [Germany's] to the likes of the IMF or possibly to keep the Chinese sweet on the USD.

The point being that Germany is not the only sovereign nation that has its entire gold reserves on US soil.

That is a sizeable bargaining chip that needs to be thrown into the equation when considering all of the potential routes this can take.

firstlook

08-10-2009, 09:05 PM

It is any way.
And none of it is accidental or spontaneous combustion.

Just two interesting facts to chew over to show how much we know goes on and how much we don't ...

Fact 1
JP Morgan / Morgan Chase is considered one of the more 'conservative' derivatives 'players'.
Many of the instruments being traded [which they may even have created], they themselves
would not touch. Very strong risk management. CEO took them to something like 7 or 8 years
of continual growth while others fell around them. For his troubles, he was recently 'let go'.
He is [allegedly] now taking phone calls, but anyone interested in attracting him might have
to match his $40 million earnings for the last 2 years. Anyway ... all side issues ... JP Morgan ...
reputation for being solid, dependable and conservative in terms of derivatives ... still holds a
portfolio of $90 Trillion in derivatives.

The total, global GDP is USD $61 Trillion.

So a risk averse, solid, reliable, consistent and conservative banking operation has a larger
financial investment in negotiable and financial instruments, such as derivatives, as the entire
globe's combined GDP.

Still don't believe the bankers control the world?
Fact 2
A recent lovers quarrel between Goldman Sachs and one of their top software employees paved
the way for some interesting admissions in the subsequent allegations/investigations. Without
going through ALL the dirty laundry, Goldman Sachs admitted that their bespoke automatic trading
software was responsible for more than half the volume of the automatic trading on the entire
market, was capable of finding, securing, trading and accounting market arbitrage opportunities
[risk free] at the market leading speed of 50 nano seconds and that it was capable of being used
to manipulate the markets by creating the apearance of their being a tradeable position when in
reality one may not have existed.
OK ... so what does it mean in simple terms?
Goldman Sachs has a money making tree.
It's called automatic trading, which they have a proprietory piece of software for.
It constantly searches all markets for arbitrage situations and is somehow [yeah right] configured
or connected to all exchanges at a connection rate far superior to all other players, meaning they
can get in and out of trades before anyone has even got in.
100% risk free and 100% non-competitive.
Goldman Sachs makes $200 Million ... PER DAY ... from this branch of their operations.
Just breathe that stench in a little longer ... Goldman Sachs ... which has its tentacles throughout
Obama's Administration, has the means and the licence to print $200 million PER DAY in risk free,
non-competitive, pure profit ... at the expense of the market, which has zero means of fighting back,
resisting or playing the same game.

Bonus Fact
Thought I'd throw this in for nothing ...
the total derivatives market is estimated to be approx USD $1.5 Quadrillion ... that's $1,500 Trillion.

Again, let's put that into some perspective;
US GDP is approx $14 Trillion
EU GDP is approx $18 Trillion
Total World GDP is $61 Trillion
Total derivatives market is $1,500 Trillion.

This 'crisis' was caused by the collapse of the domestic mortgage market and its associated derivatives.
That's but a drop in the ocean of the whole derivatives market.
They're predicting the commercial mortgage market and its associated house of cards might be next ...

So yeah ... its global ... its fully understood, controlled, designed, structured and manipulated ...
as it always has been.

Like the domestic lightbulb; engineered to fail.

I heard that if everyone in the US purchased an ounce of silver (Stock market), that it would kill 90% of JP Morgan / Morgan Chase's ability to operate the way they do. Any comments?

Thanks

naturalcanvas

08-10-2009, 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=yozhik;1058318293]They don't have to be part of the choir ... they don't even need to be within spitting distance of the church!

Look at what happened in this most recent crisis.

The BAILOUTS were paid to the BANKS so they could honour their DERIVATIVES PAYMENTS and DEBT OBLIGATIONS to other BANKS [domestically and globally].

The cost was passed on to the 'taxpayers' for a crisis they never created, for gambling debts they never took part in, on products they never even knew existed, for $ amounts they could only ever pretend to comprehend and the terms of the 'loans' were the type of loan conditions the 'taxpayer' could only ever dream about.

Given that all Central Banks all have the one master [the B.I.S], its all a dog and pony show anyway.

So the BANKS gambled on financial bets with figures in the billions, with other BANKS ... some of those bets went bad ... there were genuine risks of those gambling debts not being paid, i.e 'defaulting on a derivatives payment' ... no 'bookie' would extend any more credit to the out of luck punter [credit freeze] ... so all the gamblers got together and blackmailed the various treasuries ...

pay our gambling debts or we shut the whole system down ... 'cos if you think this domestic housing mortgage derivative bubble is bad, you should see what we have backed up behind us, ready to unload ... trust me; you ain't seen nothing yet ...

So no choir required ... just a few rogue bards with big voices and classical training :)[/QUOTE

Watch the buying and selling of Bloodline family connections... just follow the stench of shit. Simple and informative. lol

bard

08-10-2009, 10:10 PM

Interesting...

Whodunit? Sneak attack on U.S. dollar

by Eamon Javers, POLITICO

It’s the biggest mystery in global finance right now: Who conducted a sneak attack on the U.S. dollar this week?

It began with a thinly sourced but highly explosive report Monday in a British newspaper: Arab oil sheiks are conspiring with the Russians and Chinese to quit using the dollar to set the value of oil trades — a direct threat to the global supremacy of the greenback.

Is it true? Everyone from the head of the Saudi central bank to U.S. officials scrambled to undercut the story, but no matter.

With the U.S. economy on the ropes and America by far the world’s biggest debtor, investors aren’t feeling as secure about the dollar as they used to. And the notion of second-tier economies ganging up on Uncle Sam didn’t sound so far-fetched.

For American officials, the possibility of the dollar losing its long-term dominance in global commerce is a nightmare scenario because it would likely mean sharply higher interest rates at home and a declining ability to finance the U.S. debt. No one believes it could really happen right now, but stories like the British report this week make it seem incrementally more likely.

So the piece by Robert Fisk of the Independent shocked currency traders around the world and almost instantly sent the value of the U.S. dollar spiraling downward and the price of gold skyrocketing to an all-time high, as a hedge against a weakened dollar.

The website drudgereport.com quickly amplified the impact of the story with a headline atop the site: ARAB STATES LAUNCH SECRET MOVES WITH CHINA, RUSSIA, FRANCE TO STOP USING DOLLAR FOR OIL TRADING ...

“You read that story, and you do two things: You sell the hell out of dollars and you buy gold,” said Les Alperstein, president of the financial research firm Washington Analysis. “The story has a lot of credibility, with some caveats.”

So who wanted dollars diving and gold rising? In other words, who is Fisk’s source, and why did he or she want to tank the dollar? It’s the global currency version of the old Washington parlor game of speculating on the real identity of Deep Throat.

No one knows.

But one thing is for certain: With the price of gold jumping to $1,048.20 per ounce, traders who moved early enough stood to make millions.

So in government circles in Washington, speculation immediately centered on gold traders: With the skyrocketing price of gold, they’d be the biggest beneficiaries of the article.

Fisk’s story itself isn’t much help in solving the mystery — it is sourced vaguely to “Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong,” and it included one blind quote, attributed to “a prominent Hong Kong broker.” That doesn’t narrow down the pool very much.

The story doesn’t name any officials who had allegedly participated in the secret meetings involving the Arab states. It didn’t say where the meetings occurred or when. Other than saying the plan is to stop using the dollar by 2018, there was precious little detail to the account.

Around the world, traders turned to Wikipedia to find out more about Fisk himself. There, they learned that Fisk is a legendary British foreign correspondent who has been based in Beirut for more than 30 years and has won a slew of journalism awards. They also learned that he is one of only a few journalists to have interviewed Osama bin Laden (three times) and that he has expressed doubts that the United States has told the full story about the Sept. 11 attacks.

An analyst’s report from the Royal Bank of Scotland concluded, “Fisk is a veteran of the Middle East. ... he is also increasingly associated with more radical theories thus weakening the credibility of the story.”

Beyond the specifics of the story, the geopolitical implications of the report sent shudders from Riyadh to London to Washington: Has the long-dominant American economy been so humbled by the economic crisis that these nations would mount a frontal attack on the dollar, the underpinning of the world’s biggest economy?

That question is on the minds of global investors, who are keeping a skittish eye on the weakening dollar. And over the past several months there has been a steady drumbeat of Chinese, Russian and other officials who have talked openly about finding a replacement for the dollar as the global economy’s default currency. Any effort to do that would be fraught with difficulty. But however unlikely, the possibility represents a threat to the American economy, which has come to depend on the significant advantages it reaps from minting the currency most used around the world.

In another era, the dollar could shrug off such a vaguely sourced, thinly detailed story.

But not anymore.

The dollar is weak and vulnerable to rumor-mongering because many traders believe it will only get weaker. “The fundamental reason why this occurred is that after 9.8 percent unemployment on Friday, nobody can say with certainty that the recovery is sustainable,” said one analyst familiar with the situation.

“In years past, when the U.S. economic dominance was more pronounced and emerging markets were marginal players in the global economy,” noted an analyst’s report from HSBC, “the debate on pricing commodities in currencies other than the [U.S. dollar] typically came down to the lack of practicality. ... Today, emerging markets are clearly wielding much more influence in the global economy, and they want more, as will be borne out in this week’s IMF meetings.”

And that means U.S. officials whose job it is to defend the dollar may have their work cut out for them in the months to come.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Could October 13th be the Doomsday?:

1307 – Hundreds of Knights Templar in France are simultaneously arrested by agents of Phillip the Fair, to be later tortured into "admitting" heresy.

1792 – In Washington, D.C., the cornerstone of the United States Executive Mansion (known as the White House since 1818) is laid.

1843 – In New York City, Henry Jones and 11 others found B'nai B'rith (the oldest Jewish service organization in the world).

2008 - Documents obtained by government watchdog group Judicial Watch reveal that in an October 13, 2008, meeting with executives from 9 major American banks, Paulson told bankers that they would be forced to accept government bailout money, whether they wanted it or not. One of the documents, a talking points memo, gave bankers the ultimatum: "If a capital infusion is not appealing, you should be aware that your regulator will require it in any circumstance."

yozhik

08-10-2009, 10:38 PM

I heard that if everyone in the US purchased an ounce of silver (Stock market), that it would kill 90% of JP Morgan / Morgan Chase's ability to operate the way they do. Any comments?

Thanks

If you're referring to the COMEX, its as crooked as a crooked thing in Crooked County on the Eve of the Annual Crooked Fest.

Do a search on line with reports from around Jan/Feb of this year.
There were MAJOR concerns of the number of Gold options taken with physical delivery specified ... essentially a 'run on the commodity'.
It was on the brink.
Reason being, most options trading on COMEX, even though [allegedly] dealing in commodities, is still paper trading.

There are HUGE concerns the PHYSICAL gold doesn't actually exist.

What do the rules of the COMEX have to say about it?
Well, if you default, the 'penalty' is you have to pay the monetary difference between the buy and sell date.
In other words ... there is no penalty.

rodin

08-10-2009, 10:40 PM

Well, if you default, the 'penalty' is you have to pay the monetary difference between the buy and sell date.
In other words ... there is no penalty.

What sets the 'monetary' price at the sell date? Paper or metal?

rodin

08-10-2009, 10:43 PM

Goldman Sachs

Dark cloud cover candle today

Vol dropping on rise

-ve divergence

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/charts/big.chart?symb=gs&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=268435456&lf2=4&lf3=0&type=4&size=3&state=8&sid=147544&style=350&time=7&freq=1&comp=NO%5FSYMBOL%5FCHOSEN&nosettings=1&rand=7544&mocktick=1

aronia

09-10-2009, 12:11 AM

I believe it could very well be between Monday the 12 & Thursday the 15 October.

mr sunny

09-10-2009, 12:15 AM

November

arty2000

09-10-2009, 02:34 AM

They don't have to be part of the choir ... they don't even need to be within spitting distance of the church!

Look at what happened in this most recent crisis.

The BAILOUTS were paid to the BANKS so they could honour their DERIVATIVES PAYMENTS and DEBT OBLIGATIONS to other BANKS [domestically and globally].

The cost was passed on to the 'taxpayers' for a crisis they never created, for gambling debts they never took part in, on products they never even knew existed, for $ amounts they could only ever pretend to comprehend and the terms of the 'loans' were the type of loan conditions the 'taxpayer' could only ever dream about.

Given that all Central Banks all have the one master [the B.I.S], its all a dog and pony show anyway.

So the BANKS gambled on financial bets with figures in the billions, with other BANKS ... some of those bets went bad ... there were genuine risks of those gambling debts not being paid, i.e 'defaulting on a derivatives payment' ... no 'bookie' would extend any more credit to the out of luck punter [credit freeze] ... so all the gamblers got together and blackmailed the various treasuries ...

pay our gambling debts or we shut the whole system down ... 'cos if you think this domestic housing mortgage derivative bubble is bad, you should see what we have backed up behind us, ready to unload ... trust me; you ain't seen nothing yet ...

So no choir required ... just a few rogue bards with big voices and classical training :)

good enough:)...the more bards the louder the voice:)

wakeup2nwo

09-10-2009, 02:47 AM

i agree with peter shiff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWcvYSsCftw&feature=sub

ritchs

09-10-2009, 06:49 AM

the gold argument is flawed - it will be worthless to the mass population when the SHTF!

When the wolf is at the door, and death is a possibility, people will sell their suv's for canned goods gladly if the food was shut off. A barter economy will quickly take root. Cigarettes and alcohol will be real valuable, not worthless currency.

Can you imagine how desperate, and how quick it could all happen. The human race in its knees in weeks. Not fear mongering, but it is a fearsome idea to contemplate nevertheless. I mean you wouldn't go offshore fishing without a radio or cell phone. Just using common sense.

Best to be like the Scouts motto "Be prepared"

Gradually acquire some can goods, a reliable source of clean water, or at least consider what you would do. Best to have a plan when you have a clear head. Operating from a position of fear and panic is not a smart thing to wait for.

There are many survival sites on the web that can point the way, by people who are former military with survival training. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Got this somewhere once on the net, hope it is useful. There are numerous survival websites out there full of practical information

Survival-ism In Your Home .

HOME FRONT:

You do not have to miles away from civilization to be caught in a survival situation
Natural disaster, civil disturbance or military action could cut you off from all the usual services & food supplies.
Until they can be re-established you would be left to manage on your own resources and skill. (Aren't you lucky?).
With no power supplies, central heating, hot water, lighting, air-conditioning, TV and refrigeration (NO cold beer!) would all cease.
Battery radios and TV would for a time give some news of the rest of the world, if the situation is not global, but post telephone & newspaper would no longer be available.
As main water supplies ceased to function, so taps would run dry and toilets become unusable. (Rats!) Besides in case of Nuclear attack the radios and TV and all electronic gadgets go plunk, kaput! Unless deeply buried underground. No computer either!
In the countryside there would be natural resources to draw upon. In large cities shops would soon be emptied of food, sold or looted.
And plants in parks and gardens would be rapidly stripped once any private stocks had been exhausted.
The population would have to make forays out into the countryside to survive, or abandon the town, if not in a siege situation.
Suburban dwellers have more vegetable plots and open spaces to provide foodstuffs. They would be less dependent upon shops.
Those away from major centres are more likely to have their own food stocks because they cannot shop at will.
But most of them will be reluctant if not dangerous to deal with. Most families have some food in store. It should be rationed and supplemented with whatever can be found.

FOOD STORES:
Storing food is a good habit to get into, especially if you live in an isolated place, which can become completely cut-off.
If you have a year's food supply in store and add to it as you use it, you will not only be able to survive the worst, but will be able to live at last year's prices. But you will have to protect it.
The stock does not have to be established in one go. Build it up gradually, taking advantage of special offers in supermarkets. Buy an extra tin or packet and put it by.
Store your foods in a cool, dry place and off the ground. Moisture & heat can cause bacteria and mould.
If stores are left on the floor insects and rodents will help themselves. MAKE SURE that all containers are insect and rodent-proof.

REMEMBER:
Rotate cans, so that the contents do not settle and separate. Label each can or packet with a colour fast waterproof pen, noting contents and date of storage.
Use in sequence, the oldest first. Store methodically and if a label falls off, you should still have a good idea of the contents.

KEEP IT SEALED:
Screw-tops sweet jars are ideal for storage and plastic containers with tight-fitting lids can also be used.
Do not over fill them so that they distort & the lid does not fit correctly. Use adhesive tape to seal the lids. Reseal after using some but REMEMBER that once opened the contents will begin to deteriorate.

RECOMMENDED FOOD / SHELF LIFE:
WHEAT: Indefinitely below 15C
MILK POWDER: 2 YEARS
HONEY: Indefinitely
EGG POWDER: 2 years
SALT: Indefinitely if absolutely dry.
CANNED FOODS: 3-5 years (replace regularly).
OATS: Indefinitely
COOKING OIL: 2 years (replace regularly)

RATIONS:
Complete rations are available with various menus. Either freeze-dried or dehydrated. They are lighter and less space-consuming than canned foods.
Freeze-dried is Best for both taste and texture & retain minerals that are lost in dehydration.
Although both need water for reconstitution they can in dire circumstances be eaten as dry munch.

VITAMINS:
Multivitamin's tablets are a good investment. The body can store up to a month's supply of most vitamins, then health will suffer if they are not replaced.
In stress situations they are more rapidly used up. The B family and minerals, calcium and zinc are the first to go. Vitamin tables do not have unlimited shelf-life so check manufacturer's instructions.

DRIED FRUIT AND NUTS:
They are nutritious and should also be included-raisins, sultanas and currants all keep well. Nuts in their shells keep so long as they are dry. Packets of dried salted nuts such as peanuts, brazil and walnuts are highly nutritious.

POTATO POWDER:
Is a great filler for hungry stomachs and can be prepared in several ways to make it palatable.

BROWN RICE:
Has more nourishment than long-grain white rice that loses all its goodness when boiled.

STORE LOCATION:
The cooler the storage area, the better the stores will keep. A cellar is ideal but there may be a problem with dampness so:
Keep all the stores off the ground and inspect them regularly. If there is a skylight in the cellar, cover it. The store is best kept dark. An attic is also convenient for storage. The stores are not in the way of day to day activities.
However it may get very warm in summer & access may be difficult, especially if a ladder is the only means of entry that may be awkward when trying to rotate the stocks.
The roof is also a very vulnerable position in most kinds of disaster situations. In an area where hurricanes can be expected and attic is not a good choice.
In territory liable to flooding a cellar is equally risky. Under the stairs is another area that may offer some protection, though perhaps a limited space.
Advantage should be taken of wherever is most conveniently available to store not only food but also medical supplies, disinfectant, cleansing materials and water.
If you divide your stores into more than one area, each with a variety of items you should be well prepared.

ADD TO YOUR STORES:
Soap and toilet paper / Disinfectant & bleach / Washing powder / General medical supplies / Medicines for dysentery, for stomach upsets, for allergies, general pain killers / Bandages & dressing.

PRIORITIES:
In domestic situation there is likely to be a shelter unless it has been totally destroyed or the area has become a danger zone and evacuation is a MUST.
Damage can be patched up to provide some kind of protection from the elements and more permanent repairs undertaken as soon as possible.
WATER SUPPLIES ARE ALWAYS LIKELY TO BE A PROBLEM. For even during a flood drinking water is scarce.
Fortunately there are likely to be some immediate reserves on the premises and with warning of crisis, these can be supplemented.
Fire for warmth is less of a problem, since there will be combustible materials in the house and surroundings.

INFECTION MAY PROVE TO BE THE GREATEST DANGER and strict hygiene and sanitary practices MUST be enforced.

WATER:
Although a family of 4 can use considerable amount of water each week, only a small percentage of this is for drinking, a requirement of about 2 litres (4 pints) per day per person.
If warned of a crisis, fill as many receptacles as possible, especially in hot climates. A bath holds many gallons; increase its capacity by blocking the overflow. Use dustbins, buckets, pots even strong polythene bags if they are only half filled and securely tied off.
Store water in the dark. If light gets to it green algae will develop. Water is bulky and heavy. Do not store it in the attic or it may bring the ceiling down.
Even without advance warning there will be water in the storage tank heating pipes, radiators, an aquarium & the toilet cistern will hold another few gallons. Don't flush it.
Outdoors you may have a swimming pool, water butts or a pond even water from a car radiator can be used.
Central heating water is usually treated with de-oxygenating agent and a car radiator probably contains anti-freeze.
So water from these places is best kept for cleaning purposes. If it has to be used for drinking then boil it, collect the steam in clean cloth and wring them out. Then re-boil.
Boiled water taste flat and distilled water have even less taste. It is easy to restore some of its sparkle by putting oxygen back into it.
Simply pour the water back and forth from one vessel to another. A small piece of wood charcoal placed in the vessel while it boils also helps taste

FILTERING AND STERILISING:
Filter and sterilise ALL water Before using it for drinking. If circumstances make it impossible to boil water, sterilise it with chemicals.

FILTERING:
Allow water to stand in its container so that sediment settles at the bottom. Then siphon it into a filter made up of a nylon stocking or other porous material, stuffed with layers of sand (bottom) charcoal and moss at the top.

STERILIZING:
CLEAR WATER:
Add 2 drops household bleach per litre (1 per pint) or: 3 drops of 2% tincture of iodine per litre (6 per pint).
CLOUDY WATER:
Double the quantities of bleach or iodine.
LARGE QUANTITIES:
1/2 tsp. of bleach per litre (2 tsp. per gallon.)

COOKING IN WATER:
Water which food is to be cooked MUST be boiled for at least 10 minutes, but water not boiled for as long can be used for heating cans of food provided it makes no contact with the foodstuff.
Stand the can in water, piece a small hole in the top to avoid the risk of explosion and plug it with a twist of cloth so that water cannot enter the can.
Alternatively, boil the water, remove it from the heat and place the not pierced can in the water. This takes longer for the can to eat through.

WATER CATCHMENT:
(Note: These advises however do NOT apply in case of atomic war because of the fall-out, water being contaminated by radio-active dust.)
Catch all available rainwater. Break off lower sections of down pipes and divert the flow into container such as a dustbin. Even if rainwater is pure, guttering may contaminate it, so sterilise it.
Supplement water receptacles with tarpaulins or plastic sheets supported on sticks. Rinse between showers to reduce tainting.
Dig a hole and line it with plastic sheet or concrete for water storage. Cover it to prevent evaporation and debris falling in.
If the local water table is high you may be able to dig down to water-there may even be a well on your property that could be reopen. Solar and vegetation stills are other ways of obtaining water.

WATER CONSERVATION:
Do not waste water washing clothes, other than underclothing. NEVER throw water away after use.
Allow sediment to settle and it can be used again. (Providing you did not use soap or that its dust was not contaminated by radio-active material.)
It is VERY IMPORTANT to wash the hands before preparing food. But the rest of the body can wait until it rains.
The body produces natural oils, and as long as the pores are kept open, health will not be affected. You soon get used to the smell & social occasions are rare in crisis situation.
If showers are few and far between, use a damp cloth for a strip wash. Cloths left out on the lawns or bushes over night may gather enough moistures for a wipe down without using up you water stores.
Injured persons MUST receive priority for bathing and all their dressings should be boiled regularly.

FIRE:
The warmth and comfort of a fire are great moral boosters, but its most important use will be for boiling water and preserving food. These MUST take priority in the use of fuel.

FIREPLACES:
Blocked fireplaces should be opened up again and chimneys checked for obstructions.
If they are not clear there is considerable risk of setting fire to the chimneys themselves and thus to the house. (Move Santa Claus away and the Stork!).

TO CLEAR A CHIMNEY:
Tie a holly bush or similar shrub to a long rope and from the rooftop lower the rope down the chimney (A stone tied on the end will insure its drops). Now pull down the holly bush and it will clear the chimney.

IMPROVISED FIREPLACES:
Where there are no fireplaces metal containers, metal dustbins lids and central heating radiators can all be used to light a fire on.
In flats with concrete floors a fire could be lit directly on the floor. If you have a barbecue stand use it.
NEVER LEAVE A FIRE INDOORS UNATTENDED. Even one in a proper grate should be allowed to die down for the night, if no one is going to stay up to watch it.

FUEL:
Start with garden furniture, trees, shrubs, bean sticks, swings, ladders, tool handles (not the axe). When these run out start on furnishings, (Keep the bed & Chippendale for last?). Carpets, curtains cushions will all burn
Cardboard, books & rolled -up newspaper will also give off a surprising amount of heat.
All kind of vehicle fuel can also be burned as well as the conventional heating and lighting oils.

WARNING:
Many modern fabrics and furnishings, especially PVC and foam-block furniture, produce poisonous gases when burned.
If burning these items make a fireplace in the garden or if forced to burn them in a flat, make the fire near an open window.
Cover the face with a damp cloth when you need to go near the fire to tend it & things being heated on it.

FOOD:
Note that in case of atomic war the following do not apply see food special note in Atomic War for more details..
Check all the food in the house & ration it immediately. Use the perishable food first. Fatty foods are the first to deteriorate & canned foods the last.
DO NOT PEEL POTATOES. Much of their food value is in the skin.
REMEMBER that once electric power fails, the refrigerator and freezer will cease to function-though they may take some time to defrost, if you open their doors as seldom and briefly as possible. Boil milk & it will keep longer
Boil eggs or coat them in a layer of fat. If you have Inglass (a traditional method of preserving fresh eggs) simply immerse them in it.
Cook meat, wrap it in cloth and bury it in the earth. Cook pork first (which has the highest fat content), then lamb, then beef (which is the best meat to preserve).
Once a meat has been cooked & allowed to cool, DO NOT re-heat or you may Risk food poisoning.
You can only cook so much at a time, so leave the rest in the fridge or freezer while they are still cool places.

FOOD FROM THE GARDEN:
The vegetables with 4 petals, including all the #brassicas#, from wallflowers to cabbages are EDIBLE.
Hollyhocks though not very tasty are nutritious. Worms, slugs and snails are also EDIBLE.
YOU MUST AVOID bulbs such as daffodils, tulips and #aconites# that are ALL POISONOUS.

FURTHER AFIELD:
Explore parks and open spaces for other vegetation and for hunting and trapping wildlife. Bird life in cities especially pigeons & startling will often fill the plate, especially if you bait snares and nets.

CLOSER HOME:
Beware of house plants-some of them ARE POISONOUS especially the Dieffenbachia and Philodendron, though Orchids are good to eat.
If food is short there will be none to spare for pets & you can't afford to be squeamish. If the aquarium water has to be drunk don't waste the fish. In fact they will probably be the easiest to eat even if you do not need the water.
The cat is next in the pot (not in my house). Once dressed it will be hard to distinguish from rabbit. (KENTUCKY FRIED KITTEN?) Gerbils, hamsters, rabbits, budgerigars & parrots can all be added to the diet & unless a dog is exceptionally good hunter, it should go too. (Yummy, Hot dogs!)

PRESERVING FOOD: chk repeat
For method of smoking, salting and making pickles & chutney see Food preservation in other file.

FRIDGE / SMOKE HOUSE:
When the fridge no longer functions remove the motor, cut a hole in the bottom, place it on some stones or bricks and with a fire beneath it use is as a smoke house.

SHELTER:
THE FIRST PRIORITIES WILL BE A SOUND ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD AND A STABLE STRUCTURE.
Clear any debris & ensure that there is nothing that could still collapse or fall from above and cause injury. Use slates, tiles and bricks from other buildings to ensure that at least one building is sound.

IN COLD WEATHER:
Conserve resources by living in one room, choosing a ground floor room with a southern aspect (If you live in Northern hemisphere).
Block all draughts & avoid opening the door unnecessarily. If there is a fire burning, MAKE SURE that there is adequate ventilation to AVOID ASPHYXIATION or carbon monoxide poisoning.
Wear warm clothing to help conserve fuel and wear a hat. The more people in the room, the higher the temperature will become. Rest and keep physical exertion to a minimum.

IN VERY WARM WEATHER:
Use upstairs accommodation and spread out. Open windows on the downstairs windward side and open all windows on the #leeside# upstairs.
Leave all the doors open and a cool breeze will blow through the house. Rest during the day and do any necessary work at night.

MOVING:
If the house proves beyond repair, or other pressures force you to evacuate, take ESSENTIAL items, food, blankets, tools, medical supplies, containers for water & materials suitable for shelter protection.
If they are not likely to be available. Use a pram or shopping trolley as transportation. Either find an empty house or building or prepare to set up camp elsewhere.

HYGIENE:
SANITATION IS VERY IMPORTANT during the aftermath of any disaster.
Open sewers, contaminated water and the build up of rubbish all help to cause and spread disease.
Germs carried by rats, fleas and other insects, rapidly multiply. All kinds of waste should be carefully disposed of and all the procedures described should be adapted to the doorstep situation.

PERSONAL HYGIENE:
Wash with sand if there is no water available. Don't bite your nails however stressful conditions may be or put the fingers to the mouth.
Don't pick scabs or sores and keep them covered. Change underclothes regularly and wash them. (But don't use drinking water to do so.)

EXCRETA: (Not etceteras)
Urine is sterile but if large amounts accumulate they smell and attract files. Use the "desert rose" of the kind describe in Camp craft .Keep the tube covered.
If not used directly pour all collected urine down the tube.
Build a latrine far enough from the house not to be smelt but near enough to be handy for "emergencies" there will be many such emergencies in a survival situation.
A box with a hole cut in the base can be used as a thunder box. After use if there is water available wash yourself rather than using toilet paper. Wash the hands thoroughly afterwards.
Fit a lid to your shit box, pile earth around the bottom and then you will contain the smells and keep out flies. Move all shit with a shovel & avoid hand contact.

WARNING, ANIMALS:
They pick up diseases that can be transmitted to humans. If you handle animals, MAKE SURE you have no breaks in the skin or wear gloves. Infection can enter through the smallest of cuts. Cook all meat thoroughly.

KITCHEN WASTE:
All bio-degradable waste should be stacked in a corner of the garden and composted to enrich the soil.
Compost heaps are also a great source of yummy worms, which will add protein to your diet. However there should not be much kitchen waste. The outer leaves of cabbages that you once discarded, WILL BE EDIBLE IF YOU CUT THEM UP SMALL.
Non-biodegradable waste-cans and plastics that are not useful in some way should be burned, flattened and buried. This stops them attracting flies.
In warm climates burn ALL WASTE. Put all the ashes in the pit.

FOOD DISEASES:
Salmonella and Shigella are diseases transmitted through the oral or anal route by contaminated hands.
Sores on hands can be a source of entry for Staphylococcal food poisoning with severe stomach pains, diarrhoea & dehydration.
Clostridium Botulinum is a frequently Fatal bacilli that can be produced when canning at home if the temperatures are not high enough. It grows only when oxygen is excluded.
THERE IS NO RELIABLE WAY OF DETERMINING WHETHER FOOD IS CONTAMINATED.
So TAKE GREAT CARE if you do your own preserving. A related bacillus causes TETANUS WHICH IS DEADLY.

One last note, you can't read this on the computer once the power has gone out and the batteries are dead.

azureangel

09-10-2009, 07:39 AM

That's a lot of information in a brief space, actually, and very helpful. Take care, love, angel

yozhik

09-10-2009, 08:17 AM

What sets the 'monetary' price at the sell date? Paper or metal?

Ah ... good question :) ... one that further highlights the scam ...

The defaulter only has to settle at the futures price; i.e. the commodity paper price ... not the much higher physical market value.

The COMEX is an absolute farce.

Gambling on horse racing, without the horses.
Buying and selling tonnes of commodities that don't exist.
Entering a contract to deliver the 'physical' but never under any obligation to do so.

rodin

09-10-2009, 08:48 AM

i agree with peter shiff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWcvYSsCftw&feature=sub

I said $7000 an ounce when gold was $350

Perhaps it is time to discuss how close to the centre the likes of Schiff, Sinclair (Seligman) are, remembering of course how Hollywood the apparent world is

rodin

09-10-2009, 08:49 AM

Ah ... good question :) ... one that further highlights the scam ...

The defaulter only has to settle at the futures price; i.e. the commodity paper price ... not the much higher physical market value.

The COMEX is an absolute farce.

Gambling on horse racing, without the horses.
Buying and selling tonnes of commodities that don't exist.
Entering a contract to deliver the 'physical' but never under any obligation to do so.

What is to stop the value of a COMEX contract going to zero?

yozhik

09-10-2009, 09:13 AM

What is to stop the value of a COMEX contract going to zero?

Isn't that its true value anyway?

If you're bidding for a commodity that in reality doesn't exist and can't be delivered, then isn't zero its true value?

rodin

09-10-2009, 10:16 AM

Under the Sign of the Scorpion

Initially, the event was referred to as the October coup (Октябрьский переворот) or the Uprising of 25th, as seen in contemporary documents (for example, in the first editions of Lenin's complete works).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution

The web bots also mention 25th and Cliff High is an agent

rodin

09-10-2009, 10:21 AM

Isn't that its true value anyway?

If you're bidding for a commodity that in reality doesn't exist and can't be delivered, then isn't zero its true value?

My point. If COMEX defaults the contracts could be worthless.

yozhik

09-10-2009, 12:29 PM

Kitco is always an interesting read ...

Time and again, the market has been manipulated higher on weaker and weaker volume
courtesy of the Fed’s loose monetary policy. It’s never a good idea to bet heavily against
the Fed. And our current Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke, is a bubble-blower extraordinaire
(seriously, he’s managed to create yet another mini-bubble in stocks during the worst
financial crisis in 80+ years). So you don’t want to go stepping out in front of this bubble-
making machine with much capital.

However, blowing bubbles is not an economic policy. It is a road to ruin. And we are now
headed there at an accelerated pace.

To date, the US government (I include the Federal Reserve) has spent some $11 trillion+
trying to re-inflate the US economy and stock market, They have failed miserably.
Consider:
27 states in the US now have unemployment rates above 8.5%
60% of Americans don’t have enough money saved to retire
2,690 employers performed mass layoffs (firing of 50 or more employees at once)
in August (up from 533 in July)
REAL incomes continue to collapse: at an annualized rate of 5% for the three
weeks of August 28-September 23
REAL weekly unemployment claims have topped 500,000 since January
US bank loans have been falling at an annual pace of almost 14% since the early summer
Shipments in capital goods fell 1.9% in August, similarly, rail shipments which slowed
their rate of decline the last few months, have begun to accelerate downward again
Industrial production has dropped 11%
Fannie Mae’s August data shows a surge in delinquencies from $4.2 billion to $70 billion.

And those are merely the data points I can quickly recall from recent releases.
Elsewhere in the world (remember the Stimulus efforts were global) things aren’t any better.

The Telegraph recently noted that;
“China's exports were down 23pc in August; Japan's were down 36pc;
industrial production has dropped by 23pc in Japan, 18pc in Italy,
17pc in Germany, 13pc in France and Russia…”

When you consider just how little “bang for your buck” we got out of the unbelievable amount
of Stimulus spent… you have to wonder what the heck the point of it was. Remember, the
bailouts were sold to us as a massive effort to help Joe America keep his job, his house, and
his ability to spend.

How’s that working out?

link (http://www.kitco.com/ind/Summers/oct082009.html)