Irish Petition - fraudulent and illegal campaign

[dangermouse]

The Irish Government ran a fraudulent and illegal campaign for the Lisbon Treaty

http://www.gopetition.com/online/31224.html

Published by Alan K on Oct 04, 2009
Category: Human Rights
Region: Ireland
Target: Everybody willing should file these charges at your local police station.
Web site: http://www.nationalplatform.org/
Background (Preamble):
The facts outlined below will prove that the Lisbon Treaty Referendum of 2/10/09 is Null and Void under Irish and European law. I present two separate points that shall subsequently be proven:

I. Numerous violations of Irish Referendum law and discrepancies that call into question the security and validity of the votes themselves, default the Irish vote to the result of the last Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

II. The Irish Government, alongside the European Commission ran a fraudulent and illegal campaign for the Lisbon Treaty Referendum.


If everybody reading this downloaded the printable version and filed it with the Gardai, there's no way they could continue unhindered.

Download here:
http://rs482.rapidshare.com/files/289213634/Criminal_Complaint.doc


Petition
I.

Under Irish law, ballot boxes are required to be delivered by members of the Gardai to the polling stations at 7:00 am on the date the election takes place.

This legal requirement applies to ALL polling in Ireland, whether elections or referendums.

On this occasion, however, the ballot boxes were delivered to the private residences of the polling/Returning Officers, 48 hours prior to the Referendum.

A number of honest Returning Officers formally objected to this BREACH OF PROCEDURE, and to the concomitant prospective breach of security, let alone of the electoral legislation.

We understand that such objections were officially dismissed out of hand on the spurious and diversionary grounds that the ballot boxes possessed no commercial value, so it would be in nobody’s commercial interest to steal them.

The central issue – that since the Irish ballot boxes were delivered 48 hours early they could be ‘stuffed’ with YES votes by returning officers, as routinely happens in places like the former Soviet Republic of Georgia – was of course not addressed.

The Irish voters were given pencils to make their mark on the ballot, even though all Irish electoral ballots are supposed to be filled with black pen.

Almost nobody was asked for any form of ID or information at the polling stations.

The ballot boxes were left unattended and moved about by many people without question.

At least one box in Cork was removed from the count centre by an unknown individual as shown in the attached video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq-OhRZX8dw

Many foreign nationals and others who were not legally entitled to vote voted in this Referendum. Irish Times article “Gardai to investigate suspected vote fraud”, shows seven voters registered to an empty house.

It follows that, given that the local electoral law was flouted, THE OUTCOME OF THE IRISH REFERENDUM IS FRAUDULENT AND MUST IMMEDIATELY BE DECLARED NULL AND VOID.

II.

1) The intervention of the European Commission, entailing massive expenditure of money to influence Irish opinion towards a Yes, the running of a web-site and the issuing of statements that sought to counter No-side arguments, and the advocacy of a Yes vote by Commission President Barroso and other Commissioners and their staffs during visits to Ireland. This is unlawful under European law, as the Commission has no function in relation to the ratification of new Treaties, something that is exclusively a matter for the Member States under their own constitutional procedures;

2) The part funding of the posters and press advertising of most of Ireland’s Yes-side political parties by their sister parties in the European Parliament, even though it is illegal under Irish law to receive donations from sources outside the country in a referendum and even though, under European law, money provided by the European Parliament to cross-national political parties is supposed to be confined to informational-type material and to avoid partisan advocacy;

3) The Irish Government’s unlawful use of public funds in circulating to voters a postcard with details of the so-called “assurances” of the European Council, followed by a brochure some time later containing a tendentious summary of the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty, as well as other material - steps that were in breach of the 1995 Irish Supreme Court judgment in McKenna that it is unconstitutional of the Government to use public funds to seek to obtain a particular result in a referendum;

4) The failure of the country’s statutory Referendum Commission to carry out its function under the Referendum Act that established it of explaining to citizens how the proposed constitutional amendment and its text would affect the Irish Constitution. Instead the Commission’s Chairman, Judge Frank Clarke, turned the Commission into an arm of Government propaganda, while the judge indulged himself in various “solo-runs” on radio and in the newspapers, giving several erroneous explanations of provisions of the Lisbon Treaty, even though this was quite beyond his powers under the Act;

5) Huge expenditure of money by private companies such as Intel and Ryanair to advocate a Yes vote, without any statutory limit, in possible breach of Irish company and tax law, and undoubtedly constituting a major democratic abuse.

6) Breaches by the Irish broadcast media of their obligation under the Broadcasting Acts to be fair to all interests concerned in their coverage of issues of public controversy and debate. Newstalk 106, owned by Mr Denis O’Brien, a committed supporter of the Yes side, was quite shameless in its partisanship on its current affairs programmes.

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References: http://www.nationalplatform.org/ http://www.indymedia.ie/article/94119
http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalElections2009/Documents/Loca lElectionsRegulations1995consolidatedFeb09.pdf - Local Elections Regulations 1995 -2009
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=1254787096&v iew=ag-view&numhitsfound=7&query_rule=%28%28$query3%29%29%3Alegtitle&q uery3=Electoral%20Act,%201992&docid=48488&docdb=Acts&dbname=Acts&dbnam e=SIs&sorting=none&operator=and&TemplateName=predoc.tmpl&setCookie=1 - Irish Electoral Act 1992
http://www.worldreports.org/news/235_the_irish_referendum_outcome_is_n ull_and_void

[dolores1]

Signed and I will copy and lodge.

[shipoffools]

bolting the stable door after.... etc.

It`s no use boo hoo ing now - it`s done . It - is too - late.

I can give you right now a 100% guarantee that this won`t make a shred of difference.

Negative eh?

Still guarantee it! sad.

[griswald]

The Irish Government ran a fraudulent and illegal campaign for the Lisbon Treaty

http://www.gopetition.com/online/31224.html

Published by Alan K on Oct 04, 2009
Category: Human Rights
Region: Ireland
Target: Everybody willing should file these charges at your local police station.
Web site: http://www.nationalplatform.org/
Background (Preamble):
The facts outlined below will prove that the Lisbon Treaty Referendum of 2/10/09 is Null and Void under Irish and European law. I present two separate points that shall subsequently be proven:

I. Numerous violations of Irish Referendum law and discrepancies that call into question the security and validity of the votes themselves, default the Irish vote to the result of the last Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

II. The Irish Government, alongside the European Commission ran a fraudulent and illegal campaign for the Lisbon Treaty Referendum.


If everybody reading this downloaded the printable version and filed it with the Gardai, there's no way they could continue unhindered.

Download here:
http://rs482.rapidshare.com/files/289213634/Criminal_Complaint.doc


Petition


If I ask a question on this post, who is going to answer it for me.:confused:

griswald

[dangermouse]

If I ask a question on this post, who is going to answer it for me.:confused:

griswald
Uhm Anthony Coughlan I guess the guy who is interviewed in the End of Nations video from before the original lisbon vote
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4291770489472554607#
Anthony Coughlan is Senior Lecturer Emeritus in Social Policy at Trinity College Dublin and Secretary of the National Platform EU Research and Information Center

[griswald]

Uhm Anthony Coughlan I guess the guy who is interviewed in the End of Nations video from before the original lisbon vote
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4291770489472554607#
Anthony Coughlan is Senior Lecturer Emeritus in Social Policy at Trinity College Dublin and Secretary of the National Platform EU Research and Information Center

Well you turned up here no, so you,ll have to do DM:p:p

Have the returning officers made an official complaint to the gardai, or any government minister. Has it been publicly announced anywhere. What is the proposed action. Are any members of the legal profession willing to step up to the plate on this one.

thanks

griswald

[sub x]

Anthony Coughlan is the author of this :

13 Critical Lisbon Treaty Facts (http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=991)

[griswald]

[QUOTE=sub x;1058315499]Anthony Coughlan is the author of this :

13 Critical Lisbon Treaty Facts (http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=991)[/QUOTe

I know.........

griswald

[dolores1]

[QUOTE=sub x;1058315499]Anthony Coughlan is the author of this :

13 Critical Lisbon Treaty Facts (http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=991)[/QUOTe

I know.........

griswald

Even one letter counts, if you can do more do it!

Don't lie down and wait on someone else, be a LEADER.

I am. I will. I can.

Don't target those who try please.

[griswald]

[QUOTE=griswald;1058315575]

Even one letter counts, if you can do more do it!

Don't lie down and wait on someone else, be a LEADER.

I am. I will. I can.

Don't target those who try please.

So you are targeting the one who asks questions, thats brilliant. I,m trying to find out exactly whats happening in the next step.

And before you come and start sticking the boot in to me, check out my posts.

I am one of the do,ers for gods sake.:mad:

Can you answer any of the questions I asked. :confused:

griswald

[griswald]

Where has everyone gone..for a sticky.............this thread seems to be stuck:D:D

griswald

[dangermouse]

Well you turned up here no, so you,ll have to do DM:p:p

Have the returning officers made an official complaint to the gardai, or any government minister. Has it been publicly announced anywhere. What is the proposed action. Are any members of the legal profession willing to step up to the plate on this one.

thanks

griswald
That I don't know ..

[dolores1]

[QUOTE=dolores1;1058315666]

So you are targeting the one who asks questions, thats brilliant. I,m trying to find out exactly whats happening in the next step.

And before you come and start sticking the boot in to me, check out my posts.

I am one of the do,ers for gods sake.:mad:

Can you answer any of the questions I asked. :confused:

griswald

I was agreeing with you and asking others to also join up. If I seemed to appear otherwise, I am sorry.

[freckles]

Does anyone know whether this complaint was filed with the police?

[dolores1]

bmp

[freckles]

4499

[freckles]

The guy who filed the complaint is supposed to be doing a brief interview on i105-107 radio today.. If I hear when I will let you know .. ..

[dangermouse]

Alan Keenan who filed the complaint is supposed to be doing a brief interview on i105-107 radio today.. If I hear when I will let you know .. ..

what time?

[freckles]

what time?

I am not sure yet, as soon as I know I will post it up .. .. I am waiting for word back but I have been assured they will let me know.. I have their hearts broke over there.. .... ... :D :D :D

[dangermouse]

I am not sure yet, as soon as I know I will post it up .. .. I am waiting for word back but I have been assured they will let me know.. I have their hearts broke over there.. .... ... :D :D :D

cool :D

[simplysimon]

I am not sure yet, as soon as I know I will post it up .. .. I am waiting for word back but I have been assured they will let me know.. I have their hearts broke over there.. .... ... :D :D :D


Oooohh, ya little heartbreaker you!

Good luck with this :)

[freckles]

Ok .. Finally got her on the phone :)

Unfortunately it wont be aired until next week as she is going to be getting the 'other side' of the story first too.

She is in the middle of interviewing Alan as we speak :D :D I will find out how he gets on ok...... .... ..

Send lots of boosts people. She promised to let me know when its being aired.. ... . ... .

[freckles]

Oooohh, ya little heartbreaker you!

Good luck with this :)

:) Thanks simplysimon. Not the first time I have been called a heartbreaker either ;) :D :D

[dangermouse]

Ok .. Finally got her on the phone :)

Unfortunately it wont be aired until next week as she is going to be getting the 'other side' of the story first too.

She is in the middle of interviewing Alan as we speak :D :D I will find out how he gets on ok...... .... ..

Send lots of boosts people. She promised to let me know when its being aired.. ... . ... .

hopefully something will come of it ..

[manx angel]

I have been looking into the legal side of this.

My lack of computer skills go against me. Suggest anyone 'Googles' this:

'PDF The Referendum in Ireland LAW'

If someone can post the link on here, great. Gives you an in a nut shell overview of Irish Referendum law, and details of articles for more in depth information.

See, most important Page 4, on the PDF, item 2.9 'Referendum Results'.

Complains need to be made to the HIGH COURT, within 7 days of publication of a provisional referendum result in Iris Oifigiuil (The Official Gazette.)

The publication was made on October 6 2009, over the Oct 2 2009 vote.

My father is very involved with the UK anti Lisbon/anti- EU walk over people. I have asked him to contact Anthony Coughlan ASAP. My father is a retired professor himself and seems a natural to talk to this guy. Asked him to ask if this complaint, in Dangermouse's petition, or something like it, has yet been lodged with the HIGH COURT.

I will let you know what he says back. I told him it was urgent he found out. He will understand that.

[dolores1]

Bmp

[manx angel]

Bmp

Bump my old thread to that other petition! The EU wide anti Lisbon one! This one is a sticky for now!

[manx angel]

Ok .. Finally got her on the phone :)

Unfortunately it wont be aired until next week as she is going to be getting the 'other side' of the story first too.

She is in the middle of interviewing Alan as we speak :D :D I will find out how he gets on ok...... .... ..

Send lots of boosts people. She promised to let me know when its being aired.. ... . ... .


Next week is TOO LATE, see my Post 25 on here. 7 DAYS! And tell her that, if she cares for the sovereignty of Ireland.

'The other side of the story' have told ENOUGH lies already!

[sub x]

The Referendum in Ireland (http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/Voting/PublicationsDocuments/FileDownLoad,1893,en.pdf)


2.9 Referendum Result

Based on the local returning officers reports from each constituency, the referendum returning officer draws up a provisional referendum certificate stating the overall result of the voting and indicating whether or not the proposal has been approved. The provisional certificate is published in Iris Oifigiúil (the Official Gazette). Within 7 days after formal publication,any
elector may apply to the High Court for leave to present a petition questioning the provisional certificate. If no petition is presented, the certificate becomes final and, if it shows that the majority of the votes cast were in favour of the proposal, the relevant Bill is signed by the President and the Constitution is amended accordingly.
“

[griswald]

I have been looking into the legal side of this.

My lack of computer skills go against me. Suggest anyone 'Googles' this:

'PDF The Referendum in Ireland LAW'

If someone can post the link on here, great. Gives you an in a nut shell overview of Irish Referendum law, and details of articles for more in depth information.

See, most important Page 4, on the PDF, item 2.9 'Referendum Results'.

Complains need to be made to the HIGH COURT, within 7 days of publication of a provisional referendum result in Iris Oifigiuil (The Official Gazette.)

The publication was made on October 6 2009, over the Oct 2 2009 vote.

My father is very involved with the UK anti Lisbon/anti- EU walk over people. I have asked him to contact Anthony Coughlan ASAP. My father is a retired professor himself and seems a natural to talk to this guy. Asked him to ask if this complaint, in Dangermouse's petition, or something like it, has yet been lodged with the HIGH COURT.

I will let you know what he says back. I told him it was urgent he found out. He will understand that.

Well done manx angel, godspeed.:)

griswald

[griswald]

Does anyone know whether this complaint was filed with the police?

Bump.

Is this issue at the same stage on the other truth sites as well. Its odd that such an important revelation is in limbo. Anyone seen any additional info on oneworldscam, jimcorr, ect

griswald

[freckles]

Next week is TOO LATE, see my Post 25 on here. 7 DAYS! And tell her that, if she cares for the sovereignty of Ireland.

'The other side of the story' have told ENOUGH lies already!

Thanks manx angel. I was aware we only had a week to present the petition/file a compaint but I did not know it had to be made to the high court.

I did try to "reason" with her about the severity of it but she had her journalist hat on and "reasoned" with me that in the interest of fair play she would have to get comment from the accused. In the interest of fair play at least she bothered to hear me out. I contacted most of the news stations for TV & Radio. (They are also actively investigating the swine flu vaccine and regularly have "eco-terrorism" updates by yours truly ;)

But, what matters now is getting it to the high court by tomorrow!! Page 9 of the Iris Oifigiul clearly states that the referendum certificate becomes final and incapable of being questioned if no petition has been presented.

http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/Ir061009.PDF

Anybody have any idea how one would do this, is it just a matter of walking into the high court with the petition???

I am also wondering why the returning officers who formally objected to the ballot boxes being delivered have not went to the press?

[freckles]

Sorry posted twice... .. :D

[griswald]

The guy who filed the complaint is supposed to be doing a brief interview on i105-107 radio today.. If I hear when I will let you know .. ..


Does anybody have it on good authority that this has been filed. I would imagine that to put the groundwork into this issue the author would be well capable of knowing the statutes involved in this.

griswald

[griswald]

Thanks manx angel. I was aware the complaint or petition had to be filed within a week but I was not aware it had to be made to the high court!!

I did try to 'reason' with her but she had her journalist hat on, she 'reasoned' with me that in the interest of fair play she had to get a comment from the accused. She had hoped it would be aired today too but she has a boss I guess.....And to be fair, out of every radio & TV news show I contacted they were the only ones to respond. They are also actively investigating the swine flu vaccine and from time to time have the eco-terrorist weather reports ;)

But, what matters now is getting this to the high court by tomorrow. The Iris Oifigiul clearly states that the petition has to be presented by tomorrow or the referendum certificate becomes final and incapable of being questioned.

See page 9: http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/Ir061009.PDF

Does anyone know anything about how this works, do you just walk into the high court with a petiton???

Why have the returning officers who formally objected to this breach of procedure not gone to the media???




This has me confused also:confused::confused::confused:

griswald

[freckles]

Does anybody have it on good authority that this has been filed. I would imagine that to put the groundwork into this issue the author would be well capable of knowing the statutes involved in this.

griswald

I spoke directly to him today and he said he had filed the complaint with the gardai.

Gone fishing.... ... .. ;)

[griswald]

Quote:
2.9 Referendum Result

Based on the local returning officers reports from each constituency, the referendum returning officer draws up a provisional referendum certificate stating the overall result of the voting and indicating whether or not the proposal has been approved. The provisional certificate is published in Iris Oifigiúil (the Official Gazette). Within 7 days after formal publication,any
elector may apply to the High Court for leave to present a petition questioning the provisional certificate. If no petition is presented, the certificate becomes final and, if it shows that the majority of the votes cast were in favour of the proposal, the relevant Bill is signed by the President and the Constitution is amended accordingly.


I cant understand why a number of returning officers have come forward over the issues involved. But presumably signed a provisional referendum certificate. Why did they do this.

griswald
“

[griswald]

I spoke directly to him today and he said he had filed the complaint with the gardai.

Gone fishing.... ... .. ;)

But thats no good ....is it?

griswald

[freckles]

But thats no good ....is it?

griswald

Apparantly not :confused: My understanding was as long as the complaint was filed but, no, it has to be lodged in the high court!!!

Also, I find it odd the public representatives of the No side have not come out publically about this.. :confused: Unless they are lodging a petition tomorrow?? :confused:

PS Careful now your almost at post 666 ;)

[griswald]

;)Apparantly not :confused: My understanding was as long as the complaint was filed but, no, it has to be lodged in the high court!!!

Also, I find it odd the public representatives of the No side have not come out publically about this.. :confused: Unless they are lodging a petition tomorrow?? :confused:

PS Careful now your almost at post 666 ;)

Thats right. And for my 666 post I,m going to go over to the darkside and join the nwo.

I cant bang my head on the wall any longer trying to awaken the dead in spirit. I think the sheeple should be rounded up and herded into whatever fate awaits them, the quicker the better .

It would be doing the awakened a favour, as we would not have to waste our time trying to arouse them from their peaceful, television, playstation, tv soap, msm, ptb programmed induced slumber. then I,ll turn my attention to the awakened, that means you lot;)

Here we are having a rant about the possible illegalities of the referendum based on the content of the first post in the thread, and now it comes to light that the statute is running out, and there is nothing that can be done about. In my experience its a pure waste of energy , both physical and spiritual, trying to chnage something that we have no control over. If the details in this thread are correct, then we lost control when the returning officers that were aware at the out set, signed it off.

Now I,m going to dig out my robes , and become a neophyte at the first portal, and I,m coming back here for everyone of you at 666;)

griswald

[griswald]

664 and counting;)

griswald

[freckles]

;)

Thats right. And for my 666 post I,m going to go over to the darkside and join the nwo.

I cant bang my head on the wall any longer trying to awaken the dead in spirit. I think the sheeple should be rounded up and herded into whatever fate awaits them, the quicker the better .

It would be doing the awakened a favour, as we would not have to waste our time trying to arouse them from their peaceful, television, playstation, tv soap, msm, ptb programmed induced slumber. then I,ll turn my attention to the awakened, that means you lot;)

Here we are having a rant about the possible illegalities of the referendum based on the content of the first post in the thread, and now it comes to light that the statute is running out, and there is nothing that can be done about. In my experience its a pure waste of energy , both physical and spiritual, trying to chnage something that we have no control over. If the details in this thread are correct, then we lost control when the returning officers that were aware at the out set, signed it off.

Now I,m going to dig out my robes , and become a neophyte at the first portal, and I,m coming back here for everyone of you at 666;)

griswald

:eek: DON'T DO IT :eek: I didnt know whether to laugh or cry reading that griswald.

This whole experience has been quite an eye opener for me too. I, sadly, think you are right. We are wasting our time and our energy trying to wake people up. I am torn because I have always been vocal about my beliefs but I realise that people have to want to be helped. Some people will never want to be helped and ignorance is bliss for them... We have to work on ourselves and with the awakened and the universe, and when, in time, the people start to wake up we will be there to guide them.

The more I think about all of this the bizzarer it gets. . .. (not sure if bizzarer is a word) .. .. I mean, rigged elections! WTF!!!!!! I am ringing Joe Duffy in the morning, as a concerned Yes voter of course ;)

[manx angel]

The complaint must be filed to the High Court by an Irish voter. Within 7 days of October 6th when the notice was printed.

NOT to the Irish police.

I have asked my father to get on this one, but he is dithering, he is old. I have sent my emails to my father on tonight to someone else with a lot of anti EU clout. But all only in the UK.

If it has not been done by tomorrow, someone MUST get on the OP's website link to Professor Anthony Coughlan and ask him if he, or anyone else, has filed a complaint to the Irish High Court.

Coughlan's link is

http://www.nationalplatform.org/

There is no email, but phone number is

01-8305792

Also ask the petition starter, link on the OP, if he filed with the High Court.

[manx angel]

WHERE are Sub x and all those 'No" guys? If anyone knows them PM them!

People need to be asking the major Irish 'No' parties if someone has filed this petition here, or similar, as a complaint. To the High Court.

Anyone, any Irish voter, can do so, but a group is best, clearly. This will need to be fought and funded and publicized.

[freckles]

WHERE are Sub x and all those 'No" guys? If anyone knows them PM them!

People need to be asking the major Irish 'No' parties if someone has filed this petition here, or similar, as a complaint. To the High Court.

Anyone, any Irish voter, can do so, but a group is best, clearly. This will need to be fought and funded and publicized.

I have been trying to get through to Mr Coughlan in the National Platform all I am getting is an answering machine.

I have been assured by the guy who filed the complaint that they have until the 13th :confused:

He said " the evidence has been submitted to different embassies and the office of the taoiseach, different garda branches and the referendum returning officer, who told me we have til the 13th to apply for leave to submit a petition".

[freckles]

Part IV of the Referendum Act 1994 (No. 12 of 1994) which
sets out the law in relation to referendum petitions.

Section 42 of that Act provides that the validity of a Provisional
Referendum Certificate may only be questioned by a petition to the High
Court in accordance with the Act and that no petition may be presented
unless the Court, following an application for leave of the Court to do
so which is made not later than 7 days after the publication of the
Certificate in Iris Oifigiúil, grants leave to do so.

Its a conpiracy :eek:

No one is answering their phones!!

[dangermouse]

I have been trying to get through to Mr Coughlan in the National Platform all I am getting is an answering machine.

I have been assured by the guy who filed the complaint that they have until the 13th :confused:

He said " the evidence has been submitted to different embassies and the office of the taoiseach, different garda branches and the referendum returning officer, who told me we have til the 13th to apply for leave to submit a petition".

It was posted on the 6th so 13th does seem correct. But I am guessing would have to be done fore the czech and poles ratify.

[freckles]

It was posted on the 6th so 13th does seem correct. But I am guessing would have to be done fore the czech and poles ratify.

Surely if they add a footnote it changes the content and it would have to be rewritten??

http://www.sofiaecho.com/2009/10/09/797340_czech-president-produces-new-twist-in-lisbon-treaty-saga

Czech president produces new twist in Lisbon Treaty saga

The Lisbon Treaty for the European Union ran into a new complication when Czech president Vaclav Klaus, a Eurosceptic who is now the final holdout blocking the ratification process being completed, said that he wanted a footnote added before signing it.

The ratification process in the Czech Republic, where both houses of parliament agreed to the treaty earlier in 2009, is already complicated by a group of senators aligned to Klaus having asked the country’s constitutional court to rule on the mutual compatibility of the Lisbon Treaty and the Czech constitution.

The treaty – initially meant to have come into effect in January 2009, bringing with it substantial changes to the workings of the bloc – got two boosts in less than a week with the "yes" vote in the October 2 Irish referendum and the confirmation on October 8 that Polish president Lech Kaczynski, who had been the other holdout, would sign the ratification on October 11.

Sweden, the current holder of the rotating presidency of the EU, said that Klaus wanted a two-sentence footnote added to the treaty’s provisions on fundamental rights.

The content of the proposed note was not immediately clear, the Voice of America reported. Other reports said that Klaus would disclose details of the changes that he wanted after the constitutional court had handed down its ruling.

Czech leaders have said that they expect that the country would complete ratification before the end of 2009, with such assurances being issued by caretaker prime minister Jan Fischer and the head of the Czech senate, Premysl Sobotka.

Bulgarian news agency Focus, quoting AFP, reported that French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner said on October 8 that France rejected the new conditions set by Klaus.

"We are not going to change the Lisbon Treaty," Kouchner was quoted as saying, "It was voted by the Czech parliament and the Czech senate under very precise terms that everybody accepted," including the 27 countries of the EU, he said.

[manx angel]

My father's friend, who has a lot of high level Euro sceptic connections in the UK, says he has circulated an email I have sent him about this, 'including to Coughlan'.

Guess he must have his email address. He also said 'I will ring Coughlan'. Hope he gets more than the answering machine. He may know another number for him.

I have asked him to keep me updated. When I hear anything more I'll post.

[manx angel]

Freckles,

I was contacted by someone who advised me to contact Patricia McKenna, ex Irish MEP. He said she was already threatening similar action. He sent me an article about it. I am afraid I am too computer illiterate to be able to post it here from his email.

I have emailed her. I have given her the link to the petition here, as given in Dangermouse's original post. I also typed out for her the info in your posts 45 and 46 on here in the email. I told her it was vital that a petition is filed with the High Court, as per the 'rules'.

I typed the info from your post 46 to the petition originator and suggested to him that he get in touch with Ms Mckenna as a matter or urgency.

My father's friend is continuing to try to get hold of Anthony Coughlan, beyond the email he already sent him. If anyone can succeed in that, he likely, somehow, will.

Ms McKenna's website is

http://www.patriciamckenna.eu/

If you select the 'Articles' link on there, a number of phone numbers, email addresses and a physical address are shown at the bottom of the page.

I am handicapped in terms of phoning people, I am not, presently, living in UK and have time zone problems.

[jesuitsdidit]

anyone actually know wot exactly Lisbon Treaty means in practice??

[dangermouse]

anyone actually know wot exactly Lisbon Treaty means in practice??

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4291770489472554607#
that explains it pretty well

[jesuitsdidit]

does it mean Europe will be under whole new set of laws??
eg someone brought up fact that death penalty available for rioting
if true, what other things we are unaware of are also included??

[jesuitsdidit]

does it mean Europe will be under whole new set of laws??
eg someone brought up fact that death penalty available for rioting
if true, what other things we are unaware of are also included??

are we infact about to walk into total dictatorship
what powers have been given away??

[jesuitsdidit]

are we infact about to walk into total dictatorship
what powers have been given away??

i'm sorry if i'm behind
i had to go away unexpectedly
will catch up pronto..

[texdallas]

bolting the stable door after.... etc.

It`s no use boo hoo ing now - it`s done . The fucking brainwashed Micks have shot themselves in the foot. It - is too - late.

I can give you right now a 100% guarantee that this won`t make a shred of difference.

Negative eh?

Still guarantee it! sad.

I think you've made a new enemy.

Peace and love Tex

[manx angel]

does it mean Europe will be under whole new set of laws??
eg someone brought up fact that death penalty available for rioting
if true, what other things we are unaware of are also included??

Yes.

[manx angel]

are we infact about to walk into total dictatorship
what powers have been given away??

Yes, again.

Basically the rights of sovereign nationality, in all EU member states.

Suggest you search 'Euro Sceptics' and start reading all their info, on many, many sites EU wide.

[jesuitsdidit]

Yes, again.

Basically the rights of sovereign nationality, in all EU member states.

Suggest you search 'Euro Sceptics' and start reading all their info, on many, many sites EU wide.

well if thats true we ARE about to enter a dictatorship
are we not??

[jesuitsdidit]

so can anyone outline the 10 principal effects of the L Treaty?

[manx angel]

so can anyone outline the 10 principal effects of the L Treaty?

Go on the first post on this thread and read the link to the site

http://www.nationalplatform.org/

See on there the 'reader friendly' version on the Lisbon Treaty, to the left. This is no treaty, is is the Eu Constitution, by any other name.

They have that nice Mr Blair as 'selected', not 'elected', EU president waiting in the wings for us all.:eek:

PS If they get away with this, no other votes for referendums, under the Irish constitution will be allowed, although referendums are a big part of the Irish political set up, as this 'Treaty' will over ride your national constitution.

[jesuitsdidit]

Go on the first post on this thread and read the link to the site

http://www.nationalplatform.org/

See on there the 'reader friendly' version on the Lisbon Treaty, to the left. This is no treaty, is is the Eu Constitution, by any other name.

They have that nice Mr Blair as 'selected', not 'elected', EU president waiting in the wings for us all.:eek:

PS If they get away with this, no other votes for referendums, under the Irish constitution will be allowed, although referendums are a big part of the Irish political set up, as this 'Treaty' will over ride your national constitution.

thanks but i was hoping for sth more concise than 336 pages
i'm looking for a short summary
10 lines max..

[jesuitsdidit]

Anthony Coughlan is the author of this :

13 Critical Lisbon Treaty Facts (http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=991)

thanks..

[texdallas]

thanks but i was hoping for sth more concise than 336 pages
i'm looking for a short summary
10 lines max..

DI.com just the place for that kind of request. I'm sure someone will be around soon to crunch 336 pages into 10 lines for you soon enough. Geat post sums this place up perfect!

[manx angel]

DI.com just the place for that kind of request. I'm sure someone will be around soon to crunch 336 pages into 10 lines for you soon enough. Geat post sums this place up perfect!

That is just insulting to the other poster. No need for it.

[texdallas]

That is just insulting to the other poster. No need for it.

I woluldn't agree with you there, like I said sums up for me a lot of what is posted here. I'm also sure jesuitsdidit can speak for himself/herself

[manx angel]

I woluldn't agree with you there, like I said sums up for me a lot of what is posted here. I'm also sure jesuitsdidit can speak for himself/herself

I am sure, he or she can speak for him or herself too. But we can't all be 'experts' on everything and he/she has shown a lot of very dedicated awareness, and made a lot of good posts on here, over the 'Flu Scam' issue. Back biting does not help us. Any of us.

[sub x]

Support Vaclav Klaus! Stop the Lisbon treaty!
http://www.petitiononline.com/sptklaus/petition.html
10 October 2009


Sign Petition Here. (http://www.petitiononline.com/sptklaus/petition-sign.html)


To: the peoples of Europe

Dear Mr. Klaus,

On the 2nd of October 2009, Ireland voted "yes" to the Lisbon treaty after having been forced to vote again after their "no"-vote in 2008.

The Lisbon treaty effectively takes away the member states' sovereignity and independence, making them provinces in the EU-state. Both the EU Constitution itself and how it came about, shows the utter disregard that EU and the Eurocrats have for democracy and the people of Europe.

However, there is one small thread of hope left that could stop the Lisbon treaty. This hope is you, Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president.

You have so far courageously refused to sign the Lisbon treaty, despite intense pressure. If you continue to refuse to sign this treaty, you can delay it from going into effect until the Conservative Party in England wins the next election in the spring of 2010. When they do, the leader of the Conservative Party, David Cameron, will put the Lisbon treaty to a referendum, where it will most likely be voted down by the English.

Thus, if you decide not to sign the treaty you will have made it possible for this treaty to be thrown out, once and for all.

We realize that you will be under intense pressure from the EU-elite and Eurocrats, but as you have shown great character before, we hope that you will continue on that righteous path. There are millions and millions of Europeans that do not want this treaty, in fact, polls show that a majority of Europeans would vote "no" if they had the chance.

If you decide not to sign and ratify this treaty, you will be making history as an extraordinarily courageous statesman who saved Europe, its people and its nations, from the ever more undemocratic European Union.

We therefore humbly ask and encourage you to do the right thing and not sign the Lisbon treaty.

With all our support.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned.

.......................

[freckles]

Freckles,

I was contacted by someone who advised me to contact Patricia McKenna, ex Irish MEP. ...... I have emailed her........continuing to try to get hold of Anthony Coughlan, beyond the email he already sent him. ..... Ms McKenna's website is http://www.patriciamckenna.eu/

If you select the 'Articles' link on there, a number of phone numbers, email addresses and a physical address are shown at the bottom of the page.

I am handicapped in terms of phoning people, I am not, presently, living in UK and have time zone problems.

Thanks manx angel :) I have tried, quite sincerely, to contact the five most prominent No campaigners and not one of them seem to have a secretary ;)

We are gathered here today to celebrate the holy matrimony of Ireland and the EU.

How long has it been since your last referendum? It's been seven days father.

Does anyone here object to this union?
No. Well then; it is final, congratulations on your enslavement.

Wait, I object!! This is completley invalid and I have a petition here that brings into question the validity of this whole charade.
The official line is:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0012/sec0042.html#zza12y1994s42
PART IV REFERENDUM PETITIONS

Referendum petitions.

42.—(1) The validity of a provisional referendum certificate may, and may only, be questioned by a petition to the High Court (in this Act referred to as "a referendum petition") in accordance with this Act.

(2) A referendum petition in relation to a provisional referendum certificate shall not be presented to the High Court unless that court, on application made to it in that behalf by or on behalf of the person proposing to present it not later than seven days after the publication in Iris Oifigiúil of the certificate, by order grants leave to the person to do so.

(3) The High Court shall not grant leave under subsection (2) to present a referendum petition unless it is satisfied—
( a ) that there is prima facie evidence of a matter referred to in section 43 in relation to which the referendum petition questions the provisional referendum certificate concerned, and
( b ) that the said matter is such as to affect materially the result of the referendum as a whole.

(4) An application for leave to present a referendum petition may be made by the Director of Public Prosecutions or by any person who is registered or entitled to be registered as a presidential elector.

And, here it explains how you 'any person' need £5000 to lodge the petition :rolleyes:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0012/sec0044.html#zza12y1994s44

From what I can gather now, a complaint has been lodged. Thats for sure.

The petition must be presented to the high court no later than seven days after the certificate is published in the Iris Oifigiul. If there is no petition it becomes final and it can't be questioned again.

If you do have a petition, well thats just fabulous, but you must have 5K and grant of leave to do so.. ..

To be honest, I am not sure what 'grant of leave to do so' means. Basically, the judge leaves you to do it or he doesn't?? Does someone just walk into the high court with the petition??

[jesuitsdidit]

so
we still dont know the principal effects
well
if you dont know whats in the Treaty
how do you know how it will affect you?

i suggest you ppl start doing some reading
coz i dont think the EU will be good for any of us..

[freckles]

so
we still dont know the principal effects
well
if you dont know whats in the Treaty
how do you know how it will affect you?

i suggest you ppl start doing some reading
coz i dont think the EU will be good for any of us..

There will be a lot of effects in many different areas but in a nut shell it brings in a new foreign policy chief and a long term president. It also introduces double majority voting for decision making and reduces the size of the European commission. (Well thats the official line ;) )

The principal effect then is the few deciding for the many.

OH and they want us to be Europeans now.

[freckles]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=88786

Poland signs EU treaty

WARSAW: Poland finally signed the European Union Lisbon Treaty on reform at a ceremony in Warsaw.

President Lech Kaczynski had been holding off until the outcome of a referendum in Ireland.

When Irish voters gave the treaty their overwhelming support Kaczynski put pen to paper. But he says the bloc should remain a union of sovereign nations and must keep its doors open to new members.

Lech Kaczynski, President of Poland, saying, "Croatia will probably join our union soon. But it cannot be the last country. The EU, an exceptionally successful, wonderful, experiment, something without precedent in human history, cannot be closed to those who wish to join."

Poland's the 26th member state to sign the treaty intended to strengthen the bloc's leadership, improve foreign policy and create a fairer decision-making system.

Sweden's Prime Minister said it's now all down to the Czech Republic whose president is still demanding exemptions before he signs.

Fredrik Reinfeldt, Swedish Prime Minister, saying, "Today the signature of President Kaczynski brings us one step closer to a new treaty. However, the Czech Republic still needs to complete its ratification to the treaty by a signature by President Klaus. Europe eagerly awaits this to happen. Europe needs no more delays."

The signing ceremony drew a small protest from the Polish far right outside the presidential palace in Warsaw.

Opponents fear the treaty marks a step closer to a European superstate that would dilute national sovereignty.

[jesuitsdidit]

There will be a lot of effects in many different areas but in a nut shell it brings in a new foreign policy chief and a long term president. It also introduces double majority voting for decision making and reduces the size of the European commission. (Well thats the official line ;) )

The principal effect then is the few deciding for the many.

OH and they want us to be Europeans now.

so
then, does the eg UK Parliament have any real power anymore??

[texdallas]

Pissing in the wind

[freckles]

so
then, does the eg UK Parliament have any real power anymore??

NO! All parliament will be able to do is rubber stamp things into law. The EU will bypass the UK government. No rejections or amendments.

[jesuitsdidit]

NO! All parliament will be able to do is rubber stamp things into law. The EU will bypass the UK government. No rejections or amendments.

so
does this mean we no longer have democracy??

[jesuitsdidit]

so
if the UK government is only there to rubber-stamp
then we no longer have democracy,
correct??

[sub x]

so
if the UK government is only there to rubber-stamp
then we no longer have democracy,
correct??



D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y :confused: Whats that :confused:

[dolores1]

D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y :confused: Whats that :confused:

Republicanism!

This what we chose and what we demand from our government. They are there to serve!! US; and not to rule.

Democracy is mob rule and that was what got us here.

ENOUGH!

[freckles]

so
does this mean we no longer have democracy??

Democracy is just a word. Its an illusion ;)

The word we use in Ireland is plutocracy.

They want you to THINK its a democracy but think of the definition of democracy and then THINK about what happened here in Ireland.
We voted and we were asked to vote again.
We vote again like the good compliant obedient people we have become and they break every law in the book and get away with it and they get what they want.

They spent MILLIONS on this campaign and every fifty feet in Dublin today there are homeless people out begging and then they get arrested for begging.

Is it the flouride, the chemtrails, are they putting something into the guiness???

What has gone wrong in Ireland :( What has gone wrong in the world??? :(

But, what we really need, as always, are solutions.

[jesuitsdidit]

But, what we really need, as always, are solutions.

the solution is
to defeat the ptb monster..

[jesuitsdidit]

to defeat the ptb monster..

which
in case you dont know is
the Black Nobility
the Committee of 300
and
the Vatican.

[jesuitsdidit]

http://wideshut.co.uk/news-imf-chief-gets-shoed-eu-tactics-unlawful-vaccine-death/


NEWS: IMF Chief Gets Shoed, EU Tactics Unlawful, Vaccine Death

By admin on October 1, 2009

- During an International Monetary Fund conference today in Turkey, an angry protester committed the ultimate humiliation by throwing his shoe at the IMF Chief.

The man was quickly taken down, but a good portion of the audience were cheering him on.

As some of you may know the IMF is part of the corrupt private global banking cartel and is responsible for handing out loans to poor countries that they know cannot pay it back, and thus indebting them to the West, keeping the nation in poverty and at the behest of Western political agenda. These kind of actions are exposed in John Perkin’s Confessions of an Economic Hitman memoir.

- In UK news it has been deemed that the European Commission is using “unlawful” tactics to usher through the Lisbon Treaty in Ireland. A a 16-page guide to the Lisbon Treaty will be inserted into national newspapers as a propaganda move to win public perception.

Despite Ireland voting no to the EU the first time around, they are being forced to re-vote. This time the corporately controlled media are making out that the majority are going to vote yes, in order to sway the vote. The majority of people are being led astray thinking that joining the EU will help economic expansion, without realizing the wider picture.

As some are aware, the recent economic crash was caused by the private banking system in order to pool the world’s wealth and propose “New World Order” like solutions. Joining the EU only continues the elite agenda of one world governance.

- The controlled corporate media in the UK are vowing that the Cervical Cancer Vaccine program must continue despite the recent death of 14 year old Natalie Morton, and the hospitalization of another pupil at the same school.

Scores of articles completely hedge round the subject at hand, throwing out jargon and reasons WHY the vaccine is needed, without addressing the girl’s death or the vaccine itself.

One article from the Guardian went as far as to flip the debate on its head, claiming most media are fear mongering over the death, despite it being quite the opposite. This creates a false notion among the public that there is nothing to worry about, despite alarming incidents overseas.

Thousands of girls have had adverse reactions and there have been several deaths prior to this case throughout Europe and the US. The big pharmacy companies still went ahead with the UK program despite knowing full well there had been deaths.

The health department are playing down the statistics saying there is a one in a million chance of death, which is obviously just a nice round figure they plucked out of their ass.

Many will remember the huge media coverage surrounding the death of Celeb Jade Goody of cervical cancer. There is a reason why her face was on every magazine cover.

[sub x]

http://88.80.16.63/leak/indect-deliverable-4-2009.pdf



EU social network spy system brief, INDECT Work Package 4, 2009

October 4, 2009
Summary

This file, marked "confidential", describes development of an EU-funded intelligence gathering system ("INDECT work package 4") designed to comb webblogs, chat sites, newsreports, and social-networking sites to inorder to build up automatic dossiers on individuals, organizations and their relationships.

"The aim of work package 4 (WP4) is the development of key technologies that facilitate the building of an intelligence gathering system by combining and extending the current-state-ofthe- art methods in Natural Language Processing (NLP). One of the goals of WP4 is to propose NLP and machine learning methods that learn relationships between people and organizations through websites and social networks. Key requirements for the development of such methods are: (1) the identification of entities, their relationships and the events in which they participate, and (2) the labelling of the entities, relationships and events in a corpus that will be used as a means both for developing the methods."

Project contact, DZIECH, Andrzej (Professor) Tel: +48-12-6172616 Fax: +48-12-6342372
For the public background to INDECT, see http://indect-project.eu/

[sub x]

http://88.80.16.63/leak/indect-deliverable-4-2009.pdf



EU social network spy system brief, INDECT Work Package 4, 2009

October 4, 2009
Summary

This file, marked "confidential", describes development of an EU-funded intelligence gathering system ("INDECT work package 4") designed to comb webblogs, chat sites, newsreports, and social-networking sites to inorder to build up automatic dossiers on individuals, organizations and their relationships.

"The aim of work package 4 (WP4) is the development of key technologies that facilitate the building of an intelligence gathering system by combining and extending the current-state-ofthe- art methods in Natural Language Processing (NLP). One of the goals of WP4 is to propose NLP and machine learning methods that learn relationships between people and organizations through websites and social networks. Key requirements for the development of such methods are: (1) the identification of entities, their relationships and the events in which they participate, and (2) the labelling of the entities, relationships and events in a corpus that will be used as a means both for developing the methods."

Project contact, DZIECH, Andrzej (Professor) Tel: +48-12-6172616 Fax: +48-12-6342372
For the public background to INDECT, see http://indect-project.eu/

Project Indect - total EU surveillance monster.
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009...veillance.html

http://livingknowledge-project.eu/

http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/understand_en.html

http://www.ist-chorus.org/documents/...lia_270509.pdf

http://www.petamedia.eu/documents.html

http://www.ist-chorus.org/documents/...lic_270509.pdf

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fc45&RCN=89374

http://www.src07.de/PDF/Brokerage/48.pdf

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fb08&RCN=91158

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fb08&RCN=89343

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...e5f6&RCN=89390

http://utangente.free.fr/biopolice/b...ce_systems.pdf

[freckles]

the solution is
to defeat the ptb monster..

Thanks for clearing that one up for me ;)

which
in case you dont know is
the Black Nobility
the Committee of 300
and
the Vatican.

Well they are certainly doing their best; one of their main goals is to remove all national identity and pride and this was a integal part of this Lisbon Treaty.

[freckles]

Project Indect - total EU surveillance monster.
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009...veillance.html

http://livingknowledge-project.eu/

http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/understand_en.html

http://www.ist-chorus.org/documents/...lia_270509.pdf

http://www.petamedia.eu/documents.html

http://www.ist-chorus.org/documents/...lic_270509.pdf

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fc45&RCN=89374

http://www.src07.de/PDF/Brokerage/48.pdf

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fb08&RCN=91158

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...fb08&RCN=89343

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER...e5f6&RCN=89390

http://utangente.free.fr/biopolice/b...ce_systems.pdf


Thanks for the links sub x. Some light reading before bed ;)

[freckles]

Just got word that a group of people from Cork are going to the High Court tomorrow morning to block the issuing of the certificate of validity amending the constitution !

[griswald]

Just got word that a group of people from Cork are going to the High Court tomorrow morning to block the issuing of the certificate of validity amending the constitution !

Well,well,well. They wouldn,t be from good old Clonakilty by any chance would they. Michael Colins would be proud. Ironic in a way, but my spirit will be with them in their fight for our constitution. And hopefully this will get the publicity it deserves.

well done...........

griswald

[freckles]

Well,well,well. They wouldn,t be from good old Clonakilty by any chance would they. Michael Colins would be proud. Ironic in a way, but my spirit will be with them in their fight for our constitution. And hopefully this will get the publicity it deserves.

well done...........

griswald

I know!!! Fair fecking play to them :D :D :D :D

Lads, I thought I was dying here with a chest infection until I read this!! I am cured :cool:

Sincerely doubt it will get much publicity if this week is anything to go by but hey one can try muster up some interest... off to break a few hearts.... ;)

[dangermouse]

Just got word that a group of people from Cork are going to the High Court tomorrow morning to block the issuing of the certificate of validity amending the constitution !

who in cork? :o

Im very excited ..

[griswald]

I know!!! Fair fecking play to them :D :D :D :D

Lads, I thought I was dying here with a chest infection until I read this!! I am cured :cool:

Sincerely doubt it will get much publicity if this week is anything to go by but hey one can try muster up some interest... off to break a few hearts.... ;)

Go on you heartbreaker you:D

Do we get to spread the word NOW, or tomorrow.

griswald

PS..I hope you are not coming down with the porky pig flu

[freckles]

who in cork? :o

Im very excited ..

Harry Rea and some other people is all I know right now.

Dont ask me who he is, busy googling but getting nothing.. .. waiting for clarification on that one... ... Watch this space.. ..

[griswald]

Well done Corkonians, I salute you.........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhdqTIftlI&feature=related

griswald

[dangermouse]

Harry Rea and some other people is all I know right now.

Dont ask me who he is, busy googling but getting nothing.. .. waiting for clarification on that one... ... Watch this space.. ..

No idea . but it sounds promising
glad we can at least piss em off :D

[dangermouse]

Well done Corkonians, I salute you.........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhdqTIftlI&feature=related

griswald

My grandad told me stories about the black and tans .. fucking fasicst cunts

[freckles]

Go on you heartbreaker you:D

Do we get to spread the word NOW, or tomorrow.

griswald

PS..I hope you are not coming down with the porky pig flu

I would say NOW!! Well I am anyways :D

(My mind is much too strong for any piggie flu ;) )

[freckles]

Well done Corkonians, I salute you.........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhdqTIftlI&feature=related

griswald

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

No idea . but it sounds promising
glad we can at least piss em off :D

Exactly. Plant a few seeds if anything.. .... .. Ta mo chroi i mo bheal :D

[dangermouse]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



Exactly. Plant a few seeds if anything.. .... .. Ta mo chroi i mo bheal :D

heart in the mouth indeed ;)

[manx angel]

Just got word that a group of people from Cork are going to the High Court tomorrow morning to block the issuing of the certificate of validity amending the constitution !


Excellent news, well done them!:D Thanks for posting.

[jesuitsdidit]

Just got word that a group of people from Cork are going to the High Court tomorrow morning to block the issuing of the certificate of validity amending the constitution !

well im sure the thoughts and prayers of the free world will be with them
we wish them good luck
make sure everyone knows about it..

[sinnain]

Great news.......am spreading the word :D

[jesuitsdidit]

Pissing in the wind

oh
what, u mean coz we didnt see the full implications earlier all is lost??

[jesuitsdidit]

I woluldn't agree with you there, like I said sums up for me a lot of what is posted here. I'm also sure jesuitsdidit can speak for himself/herself

i think u work 4 ptb and are here to discredit forum/posters
as no one has the ability to behave with honour now the ptb r busy destroying evryting good,
i wont bother entering into an intelligent questioning of your statements
as once u r trapped u will prob just leave the thread without commenting
or, assuming u do work 4 ptb youll just try to engage me in some meaningless game of pingpong
to waste my time
so, forgive me if my conclusions are a bit hasty
but ive seen yr type b4 and it is rarely in my interests to spend time on you

the game is weighted in your favour as you know if i call u a shill i'll be awarded points by the moderators for being insulting so its a waste of my time engaging with you
but if you feel im incorrect pls come back
you see internet forums provide a lot of anonymity to those who want it..

[jesuitsdidit]

cont

do u think its easy fighting ptb
do u think there arent disruptions and attempts at sabotage
do u think they dont control the media and can destroy anyone or anything they choose

yeah so i go away 4 2 weeks and get a bit behind with the forum

who's side r u on?
oh wait, i forgot
ptb employ ppl to disrupt forums

mm, that makes sense.

[jesuitsdidit]

just like their system of control over the police and judiciary
do u think they cant manufacture evidence
bribe and threaten witnesses?

anyone who thinks we are not living in very dangerous times is either ill-informed or willfully stupid..

[jesuitsdidit]

and yes
we do have to spell things out nowadays
the education system being so totally inept..

[jesuitsdidit]

and dont you think they cant manipulate public opinion?
stemming from their work with shell-shocked soldiers during WW1
they found that the personality can be manipulated
this work led to the foundation of the Tavistock Institute in Devon
who also created The Beatles for example
see video
Tavistock Institute for Global Manipulation
at post 11-10-2009, 12:48 PM #16 for more info
at thread Read book "Hitler was a British Agent"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86152&page=2
in Political Manipulation / Cover-Ups / False Flags forum

[freckles]

I have heard nothing yet as to how it went this morning and my actions are bordering on harrassment so just hoping for the best at this stage. No news is good news :confused:

[griswald]

I know that some main political party members were notified about it;), but I dont know whether any supported it, or made any appearence at the high court. No doubt any news will filter through.

Take a chill pill freckles...:p. You,ve done more than most. Its a waiting game now.

griswald

[manx angel]

I have heard nothing yet as to how it went this morning and my actions are bordering on harrassment so just hoping for the best at this stage. No news is good news :confused:

Thanks, I'm dying to know, as well.

[freckles]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1012/eulisbon.html

Lisbon court challenge rejected

The High Court has rejected an application by four people challenging the result of the Lisbon Treaty Referendum.

The four, Nora Bennis from Limerick, Harry Rea from Blarney Road in Cork, Mark McCrystal from Swords in Dublin and Richard Behill from Killarney, Co Kerry were told by Mr Justice Sean Ryan that their case contained technical legal points with which he disagreed.

He said the case was also 'based on politics and not law' and provided no legal basis on which to seek a judicial review of the result of the Referendum.

The court heard the four were seeking to have the result of the referendum declared null and void, a declaration that the Government had acted unlawfully by failing to lay the guarantees before the Oireachtas and that the amendment was repugnant to the Constitution.

Quite strange as I had just got a message to tell me they were back up in the Supreme court in the morning for an appeal/judicial review. . . . .:confused:

[griswald]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1012/eulisbon.html

Lisbon court challenge rejected

The High Court has rejected an application by four people challenging the result of the Lisbon Treaty Referendum.

The four, Nora Bennis from Limerick, Harry Rea from Blarney Road in Cork, Mark McCrystal from Swords in Dublin and Richard Behill from Killarney, Co Kerry were told by Mr Justice Sean Ryan that their case contained technical legal points with which he disagreed.

He said the case was also 'based on politics and not law' and provided no legal basis on which to seek a judicial review of the result of the Referendum.

The court heard the four were seeking to have the result of the referendum declared null and void, a declaration that the Government had acted unlawfully by failing to lay the guarantees before the Oireachtas and that the amendment was repugnant to the Constitution.

Quite strange as I had just got a message to tell me they were back up in the Supreme court in the morning for an appeal/judicial review. . . . .:confused:


Could be making a pre emptive strike with the rte announcement, and fight it out tomorrow. Its sort of like announcing the yes side winning, a half an hour after counting starts. Slippery buggers.

griswald

[freckles]

Could be making a pre emptive strike with the rte announcement, and fight it out tomorrow. Its sort of like announcing the yes side winning, a half an hour after counting starts. Slippery buggers.

griswald

;) :D :rolleyes:

I thought it strange alright. That makes perfect sense ;)

[jesuitsdidit]

well yes if u go to court it must be a point of law
but
i thought there was a water-tight argument re boxes being placed before 7am

quote

Under Irish law, ballot boxes are required to be delivered by members of the Gardai to the polling stations at 7:00 am on the date the election takes place.

This legal requirement applies to ALL polling in Ireland, whether elections or referendums.

On this occasion, however, the ballot boxes were delivered to the private residences of the polling/Returning Officers, 48 hours prior to the Referendum.

A number of honest Returning Officers formally objected to this BREACH OF PROCEDURE, and to the concomitant prospective breach of security, let alone of the electoral legislation.

We understand that such objections were officially dismissed out of hand on the spurious and diversionary grounds that the ballot boxes possessed no commercial value, so it would be in nobody’s commercial interest to steal them.

post 1

[griswald]

It would be nice to get a heads up on the High Court drama today. maybe a text to vincent browne to night if he,s on the box.:) , he,s always asking the awkward questions;)


griswald

[jesuitsdidit]

sounds like they need 2 see a lawyer n get some advice
or r they deliberately screwing it up??

[jesuitsdidit]

i reckon there'll be a breach of the law somewhere if they know where to look..

[freckles]

It would be nice to get a heads up on the High Court drama today. maybe a text to vincent browne to night if he,s on the box.:) , he,s always asking the awkward questions;)


griswald

Synchronicity??? Sinead O Donnell from i105-107 radio who incidentally done the interview in relation to the petition is on Vincent Brown tonight !!! :cool:

http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

I need phone credit !!!! :D

[griswald]

Synchronicity??? Sinead O Donnell from i105-107 radio who incidentally done the interview in relation to the petition is on Vincent Brown tonight !!! :cool:

http://www.tv3.ie/shows.php?request=tonightwithvincentbrowne

I need phone credit !!!! :D

Interesting mm..........we will soon see if we get the real deal on the interview, or a whitewash. Forget the phone freckles.... e mail him here,:)

vincent.browne@tv3.ie

Send in the texts now, might give them a chance to do a bit of research on it.

griswald

[freckles]

And that; is why, the TV stays off in my house ;)

Not to worry, we all know the MSM get the info wrong from time to time :rolleyes:

http://news.ie.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=150168234

Court is in session at 9.30am tomorrow morning :D

[dangermouse]

And that; is why, the TV stays off in my house ;)

Not to worry, we all know the MSM get the info wrong from time to time :rolleyes:

http://news.ie.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=150168234

Court is in session at 9.30am tomorrow morning :D

well we will see ^^

[griswald]

Nice one.:)

griswald

[sub x]

I will not sign Lisbon Treaty, says Czech President
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6871365.ece
13 October 2009




The President of the Czech Republic has no intention of signing the Lisbon treaty, a move that might allow David Cameron time to hold a British referendum on Europe.

President Klaus, the fiercely Eurosceptic Czech leader, is the last obstacle for the agreement after its ratification in the other 26 EU states but he has told supporters that he will never sign, The Times has learnt.

Asked during a walkabout on Sunday not to put his name to the treaty, Mr Klaus replied: “Don’t worry, I won’t.”

After a crisis Cabinet meeting yesterday, Jan Fischer, the Czech Prime Minister, avoided a direct confrontation with Mr Klaus, bowing to his demand to reopen negotiations with the EU on an eleventh-hour opt-out.

However, he called on the unpredictable President to guarantee his signature if EU leaders agreed to his conditions and if the Czech Constitutional Court raised no new objections.

Mr Klaus is demanding an opt-out for the Czech Republic that would prevent German families expelled after the Second World War from lodging property claims at the European Court of Justice.

He raised the stakes on Friday, putting a dampener on EU celebrations over the Irish referendum decision to back the treaty. The President argued that the charter could whip up an avalanche of property claims from German families expelled from Czech territory after the war.

Mr Fischer’s refusal to face down his President now throws the problem back at EU leaders at their summit in Brussels on October 29-30, when they had hoped to celebrate the completion of the treaty.

They had also hoped to appoint the EU president and foreign minister, roles created by the treaty, but will now have to be content with a discussion about candidates, including Tony Blair.

The treaty has been passed by both Houses of the Czech parliament but the Prime Minister, acting in a caretaker role after the collapse of Mirek Topolanek’s Government in May, ruled out any attempt to bypass the President.

“I would not like to talk about constitutional crisis,” Mr Fischer told The Times. “The Government is in a position to negotiate the extra conditions revealed by our head of state. We are ready to go to the European Council to put it on the table.”

Hinting at a breakdown in relations between himself and President Klaus, he added: “The Government would like to have clear and sound guarantees from the side of the head of state that this is actually the last step from his side and no other additional conditions will be added.”

Mr Fischer, who will be in Brussels for talks today, said he hoped that the treaty could still be concluded by the end of the year. The lack of agreement from Mr Klaus will infuriate other EU members, particularly France and Germany, which are pushing hard to wrap up the Lisbon treaty saga.

President Klaus, Support President Klaus! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9EFk99bAig)

[sub x]

Just had a call from BBC inquiring about ballot box video from Cork. They think there's a story,

http://twitter.com/PoliticsIE/statuses/4834582669


*I didn't get the call personally,just passing on the message as I got it,(I'm really not that important :eek: )

[dolores1]

*I didn't get the call personally,just passing on the message as I got it,(I'm really not that important :eek: )

They can be stopped, like thieves in your house, but they are stealing the house!

With you in it!

Please:):)

[griswald]

*I didn't get the call personally,just passing on the message as I got it,(I'm really not that important :eek: )

BBC, would they normally be associated with honest reporting;)

griswald

[dangermouse]

BBC, would they normally be associated with honest reporting;)

griswald

not all people in bbc know the agenda .. thata the whole compartmentalization effect

[freckles]

Well I would love to say No news is good news but I have my doubts ;)

It seems the fate of the treaty lies in the hands of Klaus now. But then, nothing is really what it seems anymore.. .. ;)

See what he says 28 seconds in :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzL2DxXvxtU&feature=player_embedded

[dangermouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJOXENgObRw

While following the van carrying ballot boxes from a Boyle, Roscommon polling station to the counting centre at Roscommon town with an unmarked detective car behind it all the way, we witnessed an inexplicable stop-off at a petrol station for between 15 to 20 minutes. The driver of the van got out of the van, leaving the ballot boxes unattended, and entered the garda car. I only started filming the scene after he entered the garda car but you can hear from our chit-chat that we are talking about it etc. About 3 minutes and 50 seconds through the video you can see the driver getting out of the garda car and walking to the petrol station shop. After a minute or two he comes back and enters the van. After a further minute he then drives of with unmarked garda car following.
The van was left apparently unattended for between 8 and 9 minutes with 13 ballot boxes from a number of different Boyle polling stations.
At no time did we see whether there was anybody else in the back of the van or not. We believe this could be a perfect opportunity for ballot boxes to be tampered with in the back of the van.

My earlier experiences while monitoring the polling in Boyle included security issues regarding the seals on the boxes. They were badly sealed with ribbons and wax seals and one of the boxes out of the 6 at my polling station was not sealed at all, just triple knotted. I addressed this issue and it was rectified, but I was still not happy with the seals. When I informed the garda on duty at the polling station he refused to look at the seals with me as a witness, but he took my name and ID details!

In fact there was no garda on duty when the polling station was opened at 7am. I managed to get in there and handle the boxes even though I did not have at that point in time the official authorization letter from the returning officer ( I did receive authorization later on). In my opinion anyone could have bluffed their way in there.

Please bear in mind that this petrol station is just round the corner from the counting house about 20 seconds. Therefore they did not stop off for a mere half-way rest!

I believe that just these many experiences of mine, from one small polling station in Ireland, are indicative of potential voter fraud built into the whole Lisbon referendum. I am receiving many stories from across Ireland that are very similar and there appears to be many patterns.

Please add comments or ask me anything you like. I would also like to hear more stories from people about possible vote fraud and lack of security.
the language is fairly colourfull just to be warned ;)

[sinnain]

Vaclav holding firm so far :D

Klaus says will not drop objections to EU treaty

(AFP) – 3 hours ago

BARVIKHA, Russia — Czech President Vaclav Klaus said Wednesday he would not drop objections to the European Union's Lisbon reform treaty, despite mounting pressure from EU leaders to sign.

"I explained that I fear, and I am not the only person to fear, a deepening of European Union integration," he said after talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

"For me it is something of vital importance. In my opinion, the conditions that I have made for signing the agreement are serious and the idea that I can forget what I have said is not well-founded."

His comments came the day after European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso told the Czech president -- who has become the last major obstacle to the long-awaited reform treaty's entry into force -- to quit stalling on the issue.

"I don't see any reason to send an important signal from Moscow about my position," added Klaus, speaking at Medvedev's official residence outside the Russian capital.

"I cannot say anything new here. But I tried to explain my position to the president," he added.

The treaty, meant to streamline decision making in an EU that has almost doubled in size in five years, has been ratified by parliaments or a referendum in all 27 member nations.

But Klaus -- a proud and often unpredictable head of state who insists that the Lisbon Treaty will only boost the "democratic deficit" in Europe -- has delayed signing it.

In a new twist last week, Klaus demanded a treaty exemption to prevent ethnic "Sudeten" Germans forced out of his country after World War II from reclaiming their property.

The move, which comes as the Czech Constitutional Court considers an appeal against the treaty by deputies -- many from the party Klaus founded -- means that EU leaders may have to take action to end the deadlock.

Barroso said Tuesday: "We expect the Czech Republic to honour the commitment it has taken. It is in the interests of nobody, least of all the interests of the Czech Republic, to delay matters further."

[freckles]

I don't have too much information but I do know that the four petitioners are back up in the supreme court in the morning - Thursday 15th of October.

The president has NOT signed the amendment and the court has NOT signed a referendum certificate. :) :)

And you won't hear that on fecking Six One :rolleyes:

[dolores1]

I don't have too much information but I do know that the four petitioners are back up in the supreme court in the morning - Thursday 15th of October.

The president has NOT signed the amendment and the court has NOT signed a referendum certificate. :) :)

And you won't hear that on fecking Six One :rolleyes:


It won't be the Angelus the bells are tolling for I hope.

Any way we can go and support them?:):)

[sinnain]

Great news - cheers mate :)

[sinnain]

Vaclav Klaus: How Czech president is fighting on to stop Europe in its tracks

Lisbon treaty has been eight years in making and is on brink of coming into force, but not if Klaus gets his way

For a man standing alone between Europe and its future, Vaclav Klaus is playing hard to get. Last week a trip to Albania, this week Russia; the Czech president has performed a vanishing act just when he has the rest of Europe dancing to his tune.

He relishes being at the centre of a showdown. But it appears he is currently more interested in selling copies of his tract on global warming denial.

Last week, as a panicky campaign was launched in Berlin, Paris, Brussels, Stockholm, and Prague to try to force Europe's biggest renegade into line, Klaus was dining by the Adriatic.

For five days he refused to return phone calls from Fredrik Reinfeldt, the Swedish prime minister and current EU president saddled with the Klaus emergency. Jan Fischer, the Czech Republic's caretaker prime minister, has an even less enviable task, as mediator between Klaus and the rest of Europe's leaders. But Klaus won't give him the time of day. Fischer admitted he had managed to get him briefly on the phone, but not to arrange a meeting.

Klaus was in Albania to promote Blue Planet in Green Shackles, his book arguing that the only thing man-made about climate change is that it is a myth. Today he decamped to Moscow, promoting a Russian edition of the book.

Isolated in Prague Castle surrounded by yes men, Klaus has embarked on a one-man campaign to stop Europe in its tracks by bringing down the Lisbon treaty, the reform charter aimed at making Europe pull its weight in the world. The treaty has been eight excruciating years in the making and is now on the brink of coming into force. But not if Klaus gets his way.

"I fear a deepening integration of the European Union. For me this is something of vital importance," he said in Moscow. "The idea that I can forget what I have said is not well-founded." He added that he had explained his position to the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev. This appeared to be a calculated snub to the 27 EU government chiefs who have been denied an explanation.

"This is very political, it's very personal. The president is completely neglecting the interests of the country," said Ivan Gabal, a Prague sociologist and political consultant.

"He's acting like some oriental despot," said Jiri Pehe, a prominent political scientist. "Two chambers of parliament, the constitutional court and the governments of 27 countries support Lisbon. But the representatives of 500 million people are wrong and he's right. He really thinks he has a monopoly on the truth."

Czech analysts say that the 68-year-old president is a case study in contradiction. Klaus despises Europe, yet he led the Czech Republic into the EU.

In 1997 he and the German chancellor, Helmut Kohl, signed a declaration of postwar reconciliation. Yet Klaus claims he cannot sign the Lisbon treaty as it could trigger another German invasion – of people seeking to recover property their grandparents lost when deported from Czech lands at the end of the second world war.

A womaniser, who despises feminists and mocks environmentalists, Klaus regards his fellow Czech politicians as political pygmies. The only man he fears, envies and despises in equal measure is his great rival Vaclav Havel, the former president.

Despite that, Klaus has been extraordinarily successful. Twice elected prime minister, and twice president, he has been at the top of Czech politics almost uninterruptedly since the Velvet Revolution at the end of 1989 ended communism.

He can claim to have masterminded the most successful transition from communism to capitalism of all the former Soviet bloc countries. Klaus, a trained economist with no dissident pedigree, was a late addition to the Havel-led revolutionary class of 1989. But he quickly undermined Havel's Civic Forum, plotted its fragmentation, created and led his own conservative party, and ruthlessly broke up Czechoslovakia to lead a new Czech Republic.

As prime minister to Havel's president, the two sparred for years. Things got so bad that Havel cancelled their weekly audience. He accused Klaus of leading a regime of "gangster capitalism". Klaus had the last laugh: succeeding Havel in Prague Castle as president.

The rivalry runs deep. The contest for a place in the history books may partly explain current conduct:\ Klaus emerged the clear political victor, but Havel remains the moral conscience of the country and probably the greater historical figure. "It's very strange. Havel has not said anything about all this," said Pehe. "We're all waiting for Havel to say something fundamental."

Klaus remains popular in his country, more respected than loved. In Europe only David Cameron shares his contempt for the Lisbon treaty. He is unique among central European leaders in preferring Vladimir Putin to José Manuel Barroso, president of the European commission.

Opinion is divided in Prague and Brussels over what Klaus intends. He is notoriously unbiddable. Is he seeking a face-saving formula from a European summit at the end of the month? Or are his demands deliberately maximalist so that they cannot be met and the treaty remains unratified?

If, as expected, the Czech constitutional court dismisses claims against the treaty and he still refuses to sign, there could be attempts to impeach, suspend, or otherwise bypass Klaus.

The standoff in Prague over the Lisbon treaty derives from the Czech constitutional system, which makes the country a parliamentary democracy but leaves President Vaclav Klaus as head of state with more than merely ceremonial powers. He has a veto over legislation, meaning that he can send bills back to parliament before signing them into law. The parliament cannot change the Lisbon treaty, however.

The treaty was negotiated and agreed by the government. It was then endorsed by both chambers of the parliament. The constitutional court in Brno ruled that the treaty does not violate the constitution.

Still Klaus refused to sign it, waiting for the Irish referendum. On 2 October the Irish voted two-to-one in favour, but Klaus still refused. If the constitutional court rules in favour of Lisbon on a second complaint, probably on 27 October, and Klaus still refuses to sign, there could be a constitutional crisis. He could face impeachment or be deemed unable to perform his duties and suspended from office.

Either of these options, however, could take a long time, leaving the treaty vulnerable to a British referendum if the Conservatives gain power with Lisbon still unratified.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/14/vaclav-klaus-lisbon-treaty-czech

[dangermouse]

I like this klaus guy :D

[freckles]

It won't be the Angelus the bells are tolling for I hope.

Any way we can go and support them?:):)

For now; its still a free country ;)

[griswald]

Just heard on RTE news that the president will sign the lisbon yes vote into law when she returns to Ireland. Of course I normally take anything from RTE with a very large pinch of salt;)

Any update on this at the moment:confused:

griswald

[sinnain]

Just heard on RTE news that the president will sign the lisbon yes vote into law when she returns to Ireland. Of course I normally take anything from RTE with a very large pinch of salt;)

griswald

Booooooooo :(

On a happier note, Vaclav is still holding out :)



Czech President Vaclav Klaus 'to continue' lone resistance to Lisbon Treaty

Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, has vowed to continue his lone resistance to the Lisbon Treaty by defying mounting European Union pressure for him to sign on the text's dotted line.

President Klaus is the last obstacle to the completion of the treaty's ratification and to the creation of a new EU President, foreign minister and European diplomatic service.

"I fear, and I am not the only person to fear, a deepening of EU integration," he said during a visit to Moscow.

Mr Klaus, the EU's only openly Eurosceptic head of state, has demanded new "opt-outs" from the Lisbon Treaty to prevent Germans expelled from the Czech Sudeten region after World War II from reclaiming their property.

"For me it is something of vital importance. In my opinion, the conditions that I have made for signing the agreement are serious," he said.

The Czech Republic has been warned that it could lose its seat on the European Commission and face other unspecified "consequences" unless the country's president abandons his solitary struggle against the EU.

Until Mr Klaus provides his signature on the treaty, the work on planned new institutions, such as an EU President, cannot be completed, a situation that has infuriated other European governments.

Despite the Czech stand off, Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, gave his public backing to Tony Blair for the future post of EU President.

"Tony Blair has what it takes to become the EU's first president," he wrote in a letter published in the conservative Italian daily Il Foglio.

"My government and I will do our best to ensure that a great political heritage built from courage, balance and prudence will not dissipate."




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/6329690/Czech-President-Vaclav-Klaus-to-continue-lone-resistance-to-Lisbon-Treaty.html

[manx angel]

I don't have too much information but I do know that the four petitioners are back up in the supreme court in the morning - Thursday 15th of October.

The president has NOT signed the amendment and the court has NOT signed a referendum certificate. :) :)

And you won't hear that on fecking Six One :rolleyes:

So? If it is not signed in, by someone official, within 7 days, does that cut both ways, legally? That it cannot pass?

Where are Coughlan and Mckenna? Come on!

Anyone in Ireland keep to harassing the pair of them. Lets get some serious, well studied legal objections in on this one.

If Rea is who I think he is, his views on women say it ALL. Little ball beaten toad. 'Men's rights' oh whimper to me please! You poor brow beaten little victim! But I will still support him. In this, and this only. If it is him. But if it is, him, then to Rea, remember Emily Pankhurst you snivelling little butt wipe!

[freckles]

So? If it is not signed in, by someone official, within 7 days, does that cut both ways, legally? That it cannot pass?

Where are Coughlan and Mckenna? Come on!

Anyone in Ireland keep to harassing the pair of them. Lets get some serious, well studied legal objections in on this one.

If Rea is who I think he is, his views on women say it ALL. Little ball beaten toad. 'Men's rights' oh whimper to me please! You poor brow beaten little victim! But I will still support him. In this, and this only. If it is him. But if it is, him, then to Rea, remember Emily Pankhurst you snivelling little butt wipe!

I dont know.. Its all gone very quiet with them all, the yes and the no side ... ... eerie.. .. I honestly dont know how I have not been charged with harrasment at this stage. Over 300 emails sent, NOT ONE REPLY. Dozens of phone calls, NOT ONE RETURNED CALL!! Terribly disappointed. And even when you tell anyone about it, you might as well be telling them what you had for breakfast!!!!!

I have not heard a thing about how the case went today. Apparantly yesterday Judge Sheehan made a new law in court,(which I doubt he can) that the petitioner had to have previously sworn seperately on each part of the evidence but had declined to ask the petitioner to swear. Its all a bit confusing to be honest. All the applicants were made pay costs too.

I think the petitioners are trying to impeach the high court judges although I am not sure how this would happen.

I have been reading up a bit on Harry Rea manx angel and yes it would indeed be the same person. I heard an interview he did on the importance of marriage. . . .:rolleyes: But, he has my support on this 100%
This has been more of an eyeopener than the campaign itself.

[sinnain]

The dirty deed has been done :mad:

DUBLIN — Ireland completed its ratification of the EU's Lisbon Treaty, intensifying the pressure on the Czech Republic to overcome its objections and become the final member state to pass the treaty.

Irish President Mary McAleese announced she had signed a special legal instrument following a Yes vote in this month's referendum.

A statement from the president's office said she had "signed the Twenty-Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Bill 2009".

In a second referendum on October 2, Ireland voted by 67 percent to 33 percent to ratify the treaty, overturning a shock No vote in June 2008 which left the European Union in limbo.

Ireland is the only EU country constitutionally obliged to put the treaty -- which is designed to streamline decision-making in the 27-nation bloc -- to a referendum.

Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen agreed to hold another poll after securing guarantees from its EU partners on the Catholic country's abortion ban, its military neutrality and its tax-setting rights.

But economic factors appear to have been the main factor in the minds of voters.

In this year's campaign, the government warned voters against rejecting the treaty at a time when Ireland needs help from its European partners to recover from a deep recession.

The treaty must be ratified by all member states, but Czech President Vaclav Klaus has insisted he will not drop his objections to the document despite mounting pressure from the rest of the bloc.

On Thursday, Czech Prime Minister Jan Fischer said his cabinet and Klaus were in talks about securing an opt-out from the treaty to prevent ethnic Germans forced out of the country after World War II from reclaiming their property.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_lyEn4C8SFqwM-WFTuxoJ5oj48w

[dangermouse]

The dirty deed has been done :mad:


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_lyEn4C8SFqwM-WFTuxoJ5oj48w

Yeah thanks to all people like the shits on boards.ie
I

[sinnain]

Yeah thanks to all people like the shits on boards.ie
I

Aye they're arseholes......i had a few run-ins with them in the weeks before the referendum lol.


George Orwell originally planned to call 1984, his dystopian novel about world super-blocs and crushed individuals, The Last Man in Europe.

Mr Klaus is, for the moment at least, playing the role admirably :)

[dangermouse]

Aye they're arseholes......i had a few run-ins with them in the weeks before the referendum lol.

Ive seen people post links to national papers and then the moderators complain that it should be in the conspiracy theory section .. anything that would make you think belongs in the conspiracy theory section

love being fooled

http://info-wars.org/Images/cowen_ek3c.jpg

[griswald]

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43210420091016

Irish president signs EU's Lisbon treaty into law
Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:30pm IST Email | Print | Share| Single Page[-] Text [+] DUBLIN (Reuters) - Irish President Mary McAleese signed the European Union's Lisbon treaty, completing Ireland's ratification process two weeks after voters approved the pact in a referendum, her office said in a statement late on Thursday.

Polish President President Lech Kaczynski signed the EU reform treaty into law on Saturday, after two-thirds of Irish voters on Oct. 2 said "Yes" to streamlining EU decision-making.

That leaves only the Czech Republic out of the 27 EU nations to ratify the treaty, with President Vaclav Klaus holding out for extra concessions before signing it into force.

McAleese's signature was a formality as the Irish constitution stipulates she must sign amendments if satisfied that it has been approved by the people in a referendum.

(Reporting by Andras Gergely; Editing by Louise Ireland)

Is that it the, is that the coup de grat (spelling)

griswald

[sinnain]

We've still got Vaclav :)

My new hero... old what's-his- name, the grumpy grandad with a bristly moustache whose stubborn streak might just save Britain

Though the regulars at my local don't mention it much, or indeed at all, this is an extraordinary moment in the history of European civilisation.

For since last weekend, the fate of 27 of the world's most highly developed nation states, with a combined population of 500million souls, has rested in the hands of a single individual.

With one stroke of his pen, quite literally, this man has it in his power to decide how much control you and I, our children and grandchildren will have over the way we're governed as the 21st century unfolds.

So who is this new Caesar Augustus - this latter-day Charlemagne, Bonaparte and Bismarck, all rolled into one - upon whose whim depends the destiny of everyone from the olive-growers of Mount Olympus to the bonus-hungry bankers of the Square Mile and the quarrymen of Connemara?

If my guess is right, less than a quarter of one per cent of those half-billion souls whose future he will determine have so much as come across his name.

Still fewer outside his own country would recognise him if he happened to sit opposite them on the bus.

To be perfectly honest, his name had slipped my mind before I sat down to write this article - and if I'd seen a photograph of him before I Googled him yesterday morning, it hadn't registered.

But I've printed it out from the internet and I have it before me now, taped to my office wall in a place of honour, where it will remain for as long as he keeps his fateful pen in his pocket.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present my new hero. He is Vaclav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic - and since Saturday, when Poland finally signed away its right to self-determination, his has been the one signature missing from the bottom of the Lisbon Treaty.

So he alone stands between the teeming masses of the European Union and their subjection to the new, undemocratic superstate which would be conjured into being by his autograph.

So far, he's digging in his heels and refusing to sign, as the entire Eurocracy lays siege to his medieval fastness of Prague Castle, where the Habsburg Holy Roman Emperors ruled before him.

Judging by his photograph, I must admit that Klaus cuts an unlikely figure as an historic superhero, with the future of our continent at his command.

A balding, 68-year-old grandfather with a bristly white moustache, he has the look of a trade union leader, or perhaps the manager of a Midlands engineering firm.

In fact, he was an academic before he entered politics - an economist, with an admiration he shared with Margaret Thatcher for the free-market ideas of Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman.

That in itself tells us a great deal about his independence of mind. After all, Thatcherite economists were hardly two-a-penny in the Communist Czechoslovakia in which he grew up.

We can see that same refusal to follow the herd in his outspoken opposition to theories about man-made climate change. 'Global warming is a false myth,' he says, 'and every serious person and scientist says so.'

Certainly, you can hear that same view expressed in every saloon bar down my way. But how many heads of state have the strength of mind to hold out against the hectoring of the multi-billion dollar climate change industry?

Indeed, if we didn't already know it, we might have guessed from Klaus's photograph - the squareness of his jaw and the thick set of his neck - that here is a man with a rich vein of stubbornness in him.

But, boy, will he need every ounce of it if he's going to carry on ignoring the threats and blandishments of the Brussels bureaucrats and their gofers in the cabinets of Europe (including Klaus's own Europhile Government, led by a Prime Minister who says it would be 'completely unimaginable' to have to reopen negotiations on the new constitution eight years after they began).

This week, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso could barely contain his rage as he laid into the Czech President.

'After the resounding "yes" vote in the Irish referendum,' he spluttered, 'the democratic decision approving the Lisbon Treaty has now been taken in all 27 member states . . . It makes no sense to reopen the ratification process. It would be completely absurd. It would be surreal.'

Just hold on there, Jose. The 'democratic decision' to ratify the treaty? I don't remember anyone asking me or my fellow British voters what we thought of Lisbon - although I do distinctly remember the Labour Party categorically promising us a referendum at the last General Election.

Nor do I remember Brussels attaching much weight to 'democratic decisions' when the people of the Netherlands, France and Ireland (the first time) voted No to the constitution it contains.

Indeed, wasn't there something decidedly 'surreal' about the way the Eurocrats set about defying the clearly expressed will of the people - just changing a word here and there, pretending they'd drafted an entirely new document - and then telling the Irish to go on voting until they gave the answer Brussels wanted to hear?

But that's the thing about the Europhile mentality: where expanding the powers of the superstate is concerned, nothing is 'completely unimaginable'. But when it comes to reining them back, everything is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1220780/TOM-UTLEY-My-new-hero--old-whats-grumpy-grandad-bristly-moustache-stubborn-streak-just-save-Britain.html#ixzz0U87Oa5QU

[decim]

The 'Sword of Damocles'

Ireland the sword.

Vaclav the thread.

Cameron the scissors.

[dolores1]

Take the fucking country back!

We have done it before

[griswald]

Take the fucking country back!

We have done it before

We had the country, and the sheep gave it away. Now they are bleating about the state we are in.

griswald

[griswald]

For such an earth shattering event as the president signing the Lisbon treaty into law.

Where is the worldwide event . I have not seen it on the television, or did I miss something. Its a great photo shoot opportunity for Europe and Pro lisbon.
Why cant I find any pictures, or film of the event actually taking place.
Is there any. Has it actually happened yet.

griswald

[freckles]

For such an earth shattering event as the president signing the Lisbon treaty into law.

Where is the worldwide event . I have not seen it on the television, or did I miss something. Its a great photo shoot opportunity for Europe and Pro lisbon.
Why cant I find any pictures, or film of the event actually taking place.
Is there any. Has it actually happened yet.

griswald

Completely agree with you griswald!!! The few snippets of press coverage are also government typed generic press releases.

There has been no reporting of this only repeating.. .. ... Very strange indeed.. ... prob best to keep it quiet, let it blow over.... ..... :rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

today Klaus said cannot stop Lisbon
will prob hav 2 sign

[dangermouse]

today Klaus said cannot stop Lisbon
will prob hav 2 sign


"Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?"

"Yes. Yes I would, Kent."

[freckles]

I am pretty sure there will be some interesting times ahead ;)

[griswald]

Any news from the Corkonians on their court escapades.

I,m not convinced its signed yet, if it has been , why is it kept so quiet. It would be agreat lever on the Czech president. Where,s the photo,s....I want one for posterity, to show my grand kids the day irelands freedom went AWOL.

griswald

[freckles]

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8008/tumbleweed004.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/tumbleweed004.jpg/)

[griswald]

Where are all the high profile, high flyers, that were shouting this from the rooftops.:confused::confused:

Why has everyone jumped off the bandwagon now. Or do we already know the answer to that question;)

Freckles, are you trying to tell us they are buried in the Nevada desert, along with jimmy H:eek:;)

griswald

[manx angel]

From an email by Anthony Coughlan

'Unfortunately any Court challenge to the validity of the result of the Irish Lisbon referendum would have no chance of legal success for the reasons that are set out below . . .'

He names a legal precedent over a previous attempt to challenge a referendum result held in Ireland over the issue of Divorce in 1995.

'The High Court, in that event ruled that they 'declined to go behind the minds of the people in a referendum vote'. They held that is was impossible to show or prove conclusively that anyone voted the way they did because of the Government's publicity in favour of Divorce . . .'

He goes on to say

'You can be certain that today's Irish Supreme Court would come to an exactly similar conclusion if there was any constitutional challenge to the validity of the Lisbon Treaty referendum result here - -unfortunately. This would be so regardless of the grounds that one might cite in support of a contention that the referendum had been tarnished by unlawful behaviour and that therefore its outcome in invalid.

'Otherwise No-side people here would certainly launch such a challenge to the validity of the result.'

The email suggests that other types of challenge are, however, being considered.

Clearly this one has been thought through. The 'No side' has not just walked away.

[griswald]

From an email by Anthony Coughlan

'Unfortunately any Court challenge to the validity of the result of the Irish Lisbon referendum would have no chance of legal success for the reasons that are set out below . . .'

He names a legal precedent over a previous attempt to challenge a referendum result held in Ireland over the issue of Divorce in 1995.

'The High Court, in that event ruled that they 'declined to go behind the minds of the people in a referendum vote'. They held that is was impossible to show or prove conclusively that anyone voted the way they did because of the Government's publicity in favour of Divorce . . .'

He goes on to say

'You can be certain that today's Irish Supreme Court would come to an exactly similar conclusion if there was any constitutional challenge to the validity of the Lisbon Treaty referendum result here - -unfortunately. This would be so regardless of the grounds that one might cite in support of a contention that the referendum had been tarnished by unlawful behaviour and that therefore its outcome in invalid.

'Otherwise No-side people here would certainly launch such a challenge to the validity of the result.'

The email suggests that other types of challenge are, however, being considered.

Clearly this one has been thought through. The 'No side' has not just walked away.

Does that mean we never got out of the starting blocks on this one:confused:

griswald

[dolores1]

Does that mean we never got out of the starting blocks on this one:confused:

griswald


We thought we achieved independance in 1916, but it turns out that behind the scenes that the "Holy Roman Catholic Church" already owned Ireland!

Not only this but "IT" also owned England, Scotland, Wales, The USA, Canada and Australia, New Zealand and most of south America. Only they know where else! The IMF is only one part of it!

God and/or love; was never part of this equasion.

As David says don't believe me!

Check out the forum on "The freeman on the Land" There are a great many connections going back over many hundreds of years. Over a 2 thousand years!

Treaties, family marriages, the compilation of the "New testament". Who chose the texts! Were they true? Who edited these?


Question? and what do you get:


Lies, lies, lies, lies.


We have been shagged, over and over again, The children, past and present, have been shagged, the poor have been shagged, the decent people have been shagged, the young girls have been shagged, young men, whole families, and as for the politians; once they are in the club (the club of Rome) they are shite scared and like all politicians all they are good for is raising questions. They know the score, but are all toilet wipes.

Good cover for their asses!

Have you ever met, or heard of a politician with a real answer?

No!

If Mary McAleese signs this treaty she should be charged with treason, as should be Mary Robinson for where she guided Ireland. Dev warned about this.

Brian Cowan! Bought and paid for, would you let this man baby sit?

Decide Ireland!

We have done it before and we can do it now, but let us know the truth. Find out "All" of the truth.

Bless you.

[dolores1]

From an email by Anthony Coughlan

'Unfortunately any Court challenge to the validity of the result of the Irish Lisbon referendum would have no chance of legal success for the reasons that are set out below . . .'

He names a legal precedent over a previous attempt to challenge a referendum result held in Ireland over the issue of Divorce in 1995.

'The High Court, in that event ruled that they 'declined to go behind the minds of the people in a referendum vote'. They held that is was impossible to show or prove conclusively that anyone voted the way they did because of the Government's publicity in favour of Divorce . . .'

He goes on to say

'You can be certain that today's Irish Supreme Court would come to an exactly similar conclusion if there was any constitutional challenge to the validity of the Lisbon Treaty referendum result here - -unfortunately. This would be so regardless of the grounds that one might cite in support of a contention that the referendum had been tarnished by unlawful behaviour and that therefore its outcome in invalid.

'Otherwise No-side people here would certainly launch such a challenge to the validity of the result.'

The email suggests that other types of challenge are, however, being considered.

Clearly this one has been thought through. The 'No side' has not just walked away.



Legal is not LAWFUL!


"No Government can create laws"!


It is illegal for them to do so!

They can try to en-ACT; Acts or make STATUTES, these are not LAWS. As free people "Not Persons; a person is a Corporation".

As free MEN and WOMEN these ACTS and STATUTES do not actually apply to us! This has been proven over and over again. You have to dig deep to find this info; it is very deeply hidden.

Ask any solicitor and watch them wriggle. Ask them if their oath is to you or to the court! They have to tell you the truth.

Check out the enormous thick volumes of "Blacks Law Dictionary" Now in its' 8th. edition?

So many editions to ensure that people do not know that the language in court is not English, Scots, Welsh; or Irish in Ireland - it is Legalise! If in court ask for a translator. This is your HUMAN and Lawful RIGHT as a man or a woman.

You are not a PERSON!

[griswald]

Has this been signed yet, and where,s the evidence that it has..........anybody:confused:

griswald

[griswald]

Legal is not LAWFUL!


"No Government can create laws"!


It is illegal for them to do so!

They can try to en-ACT; Acts or make STATUTES, these are not LAWS. As free people "Not Persons; a person is a Corporation".

As free MEN and WOMEN these ACTS and STATUTES do not actually apply to us! This has been proven over and over again. You have to dig deep to find this info; it is very deeply hidden.

Ask any solicitor and watch them wriggle. Ask them if their oath is to you or to the court! They have to tell you the truth.

Check out the enormous thick volumes of "Blacks Law Dictionary" Now in its' 8th. edition?

So many editions to ensure that people do not know that the language in court is not English, Scots, Welsh; or Irish in Ireland - it is Legalise! If in court ask for a translator. This is your HUMAN and Lawful RIGHT as a man or a woman.

You are not a PERSON!

So maybe a knowledgeable freeman should have filed the petition then.........or was there ever a chance of winning:confused:

griswald

[freckles]

Has this been signed yet, and where,s the evidence that it has..........anybody:confused:

griswald

Went to the most obvious place to find out:

http://www.president.ie/index.php?section=6&engagement=200942&lang=eng

Nothing there!!! No mention, nothing.. ...

What I cant understand is the silence!! It doesnt seem to matter who you ring, email, text, ask.. ... ... the silence is deafening!

[h2pogo]

Went to the most obvious place to find out:

http://www.president.ie/index.php?section=6&engagement=200942&lang=eng

Nothing there!!! No mention, nothing.. ...

What I cant understand is the silence!! It doesnt seem to matter who you ring, email, text, ask.. ... ... the silence is deafening!

wtf is going on :(...whats the gaa award ceromony.. hes having a laugh with his mates by the sounds...:rolleyes:

[griswald]

Went to the most obvious place to find out:

http://www.president.ie/index.php?section=6&engagement=200942&lang=eng

Nothing there!!! No mention, nothing.. ...

What I cant understand is the silence!! It doesnt seem to matter who you ring, email, text, ask.. ... ... the silence is deafening!

Maybe one of the four just men;) might enlighten us.This is one of the most important threads on this forum. And its died. Something odd in the state of Denmark alright.Anything on the sovereign independant site:confused:

griswald

[freckles]

wtf is going on :(...whats the gaa award ceromony.. hes having a laugh with his mates by the sounds...:rolleyes:


This is GAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HGrPAAM_w&feature=PlayList&p=7693D0F04F26A14B&index=10&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

:D Oh and he is a she ;) Nice work if you can get it; wtf is going on????

Done another news search tonight and apart from lack of information I also noticed that the Irish Times seem to have added to & edited their press release... guess it wouldn't have made it into the printed version.. .

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1013/1224256509215.html

griswald, there is NOTHING on the Sovereign Independent site. There is NOTHING!!!

[griswald]

This is GAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HGrPAAM_w&feature=PlayList&p=7693D0F04F26A14B&index=10&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

:D Oh and he is a she ;) Nice work if you can get it; wtf is going on????

Done another news search tonight and apart from lack of information I also noticed that the Irish Times seem to have added to & edited their press release... guess it wouldn't have made it into the printed version.. .

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1013/1224256509215.html

griswald, there is NOTHING on the Sovereign Independent site. There is NOTHING!!!


So what the hell is going on. No voters challenge the result in the High Court and loose. I would have thought that would be plastered all over the msm.
President signs the treaty into law. That should be a mega publicity coup for the eorocrats. Where,s the pics. It dont add up. All gone quiet here too. Something smells, and it sure as hell aint no brimstone.

griswald

[dangermouse]

So what the hell is going on. No voters challenge the result in the High Court and loose. I would have thought that would be plastered all over the msm.
President signs the treaty into law. That should be a mega publicity coup for the eorocrats. Where,s the pics. It dont add up. All gone quiet here too. Something smells, and it sure as hell aint no brimstone.

griswald

Well its gone quiet because there is no info comming out on it.

[griswald]

Well its gone quiet because there is no info comming out on it.

WHY..........

There was plenty of posting on all the ireland / lisbon threads at the start of all this. Where have all the big guns gone now......................:confused:

griswald

[dolores1]

Well its gone quiet because there is no info comming out on it.

Phone, phone and again, make a great noise, rattle them!:eek:

[broken silence]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/irish-president-signs-lisbon-treaty-bill-1.926561

Irish President Mary McAleese has signed the Bill of the Lisbon Treaty, making the Yes vote in the referendum legally binding.

Two weeks ago 67% of people voted in favour of the EU reform deal.

Campaigners for a No vote claimed the massive swing behind the Treaty was down to a threat of further isolation from the union that would plunge the country deeper into economic crisis.

The Bill was signed at Aras an Uachtarain, the President's official residence in Dublin, on Thursday evening after she returned from a State visit to Luxembourg.

A statement from her office said: "President McAleese has signed the Twenty-Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Bill 2009 in accordance with Article 46 of the Constitution."

[griswald]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/irish-president-signs-lisbon-treaty-bill-1.926561

Irish President Mary McAleese has signed the Bill of the Lisbon Treaty, making the Yes vote in the referendum legally binding.

Two weeks ago 67% of people voted in favour of the EU reform deal.

Campaigners for a No vote claimed the massive swing behind the Treaty was down to a threat of further isolation from the union that would plunge the country deeper into economic crisis.

The Bill was signed at Aras an Uachtarain, the President's official residence in Dublin, on Thursday evening after she returned from a State visit to Luxembourg.

A statement from her office said: "President McAleese has signed the Twenty-Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Bill 2009 in accordance with Article 46 of the Constitution."


So where,s the happy smiley picture then...........where is it.

griswald

[broken silence]

So where,s the happy smiley picture then...........where is it.

griswald

There`s one in the link but it looks generic to me, could be from anywhere.

Gordon Brown is coming to my constituency soon to campaign for a by-election. I would love to ask him personally what happened to the promised british referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Fucking fat lying cunt.

[griswald]

There`s one in the link but it looks generic to me, could be from anywhere.

Gordon Brown is coming to my constituency soon to campaign for a by-election. I would love to ask him personally what happened to the promised british referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Fucking fat lying cunt.

Will you call him that , before or after you ask him the question:D

griswald

[broken silence]

Will you call him that , before or after you ask him the question:D

griswald

Definitely after :D

[griswald]

Definitely after :D


Will you ask him for me too.................;)

griswald

[broken silence]

Will you ask him for me too.................;)

griswald

It would be my pleasure ;). Genuinely hope I get the chance.

Stranger things have happened; David Cameron was walking about here last week (Glasgow) and made it out without being burned at the stake :D

[griswald]

It would be my pleasure ;). Genuinely hope I get the chance.

Stranger things have happened; David Cameron was walking about here last week (Glasgow) and made it out without being burned at the stake :D


Jaysus, and 2/3 of the sas are scots..............ye boys have gone soft:D

griswald

[griswald]

Nothing short of amazing how this thread died out.

Where are the fighting Irish now. I see more hullabaloo on the tv , radio, media sheets about the new proposal to reduce the drink driving limit from 80mg to 50mg.

Have all the initiators of the petition gone to ground or what. And I still cant find a picture of the president signing the treaty. I suppose one will pop up soon. But where was it on the day. Mysterious to say the least.

griswald

[dangermouse]

Nothing short of amazing how this thread died out.

Where are the fighting Irish now. I see more hullabaloo on the tv , radio, media sheets about the new proposal to reduce the drink driving limit from 80mg to 50mg.

Have all the initiators of the petition gone to ground or what. And I still cant find a picture of the president signing the treaty. I suppose one will pop up soon. But where was it on the day. Mysterious to say the least.

griswald
I concur

[sinnain]

Here's some info regarding the supreme court cases :)

Irregularities Concerning the Irish Referendum
Fri, 23/10/2009 - 15:02 — admin-b

We wish to inform you that a Website has been set up to provide information on the current status of affairs concerning the irregularities that surround the Referendums concerning 28th Amendment to the Irish Constitution and on details on how these matters are progressing through the courts.

The Website can be viewed here.

In brief:

The website outlines details of five cases brought on 12 October 2009 by Four Concerned Citizens of the Republic of Ireland which challenge, by way of Judicial Review, the validity of the 28th Amendment to the Constitution Bill (2009). The Attorney General had indicated that Ireland was not in a position to ratify the Lisbon Treaty unless there was a successful referendum and an amendment to Bunreacht na hÉireann - the Irish Constitution.

The cases are:

1. REA -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1042 JR;
2. MC CRYSTAL -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1043 JR;
3. BEHAL -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1044 JR;
4. BENNIS -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1045 JR.

These cases, all of which were refused ex-parte leave for Judicial Review are now formally appealed to the Supreme Court and this process of appeal is ongoing. Priority listing will be applied for but it is unlikely that the appeal will be heard within the next two weeks and likely even longer.

Yours sincerely,

Concerned Citizens

Website below - grounds no 3 affects me in N Ireland :D

http://irishcitizens.blogspot.com/

[sinnain]

For what its worth

Northern Ireland Assembly wants the UK to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty
Mon, 26/10/2009 - 00:40 — admin-b

The Northern Ireland Assembly motion of 20th October 2009, passed by 47 to 19 votes, indicated:

“That this Assembly notes the verdict of the Republic of Ireland electorate on the Lisbon Treaty referendum; reaffirms its support for a referendum in the United Kingdom on the Treaty; and calls for a declaration from those parties aspiring to form the incoming Government of the United Kingdom to give an unequivocal commitment to hold, within a twelve month period from assuming office in 2010, a binding referendum on the Lisbon Treaty that is unconditional and unrelated to how other member states choose to vote, and the result of which will not be held in abeyance pending a further referendum on the subject.”

http://teameurope.info/node/706

[sinnain]

Václav Klaus, the Czech President, who is the last hurdle to full ratification of the Lisbon treaty, has made a final attempt to derail the agreement.

In a submission to the Czech constitutional court, which will decide tomorrow whether the treaty is compatible with the country’s constitution, Mr Klaus has suggested that it should be subject to a referendum.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6889802.ece

[dolores1]

Hi Sinnian,

Have you got a contact email for the concerned citzians? I'm in the north to and I want to donate but I use a maestro.

Ta.
D

[sinnain]

Hi Sinnian,

Have you got a contact email for the concerned citzians? I'm in the north to and I want to donate but I use a maestro.

Ta.
D

I will likely have the same problems as you - not tiried yet but will donate some money when i get paid on Wednesday :)

email: irishcitizens@gmail.com

Let me know how you get on - cheers :)

[sinnain]

Taken from the Support Vaclav Klaus site

Petition is likely to be delivered to the President´s office this Friday!
Posted on October 26, 2009 by cerman

We are trying to arrange a meeting with the Office of the President of the Czech Republic. Most likely, the petition will be handed over on Friday. Please, keep on working, contact your friends and get as many signatures as you can.

We thank you for your support! Every signature counts!


http://supportvaclavklaus.wordpress.com/

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/moog1968/vaclavballsofsteel.jpg

[griswald]

[QUOTE]http://teameurope.info/node/706
26-10-2009 01:50 AM
sinnain Here's some info regarding the supreme court cases


Quote:
Irregularities Concerning the Irish Referendum
Fri, 23/10/2009 - 15:02 — admin-b

We wish to inform you that a Website has been set up to provide information on the current status of affairs concerning the irregularities that surround the Referendums concerning 28th Amendment to the Irish Constitution and on details on how these matters are progressing through the courts.

The Website can be viewed here.

In brief:

The website outlines details of five cases brought on 12 October 2009 by Four Concerned Citizens of the Republic of Ireland which challenge, by way of Judicial Review, the validity of the 28th Amendment to the Constitution Bill (2009). The Attorney General had indicated that Ireland was not in a position to ratify the Lisbon Treaty unless there was a successful referendum and an amendment to Bunreacht na hÉireann - the Irish Constitution.

The cases are:

1. REA -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1042 JR;
2. MC CRYSTAL -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1043 JR;
3. BEHAL -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1044 JR;
4. BENNIS -V- IRELAND & ORS 2009/1045 JR.

These cases, all of which were refused ex-parte leave for Judicial Review are now formally appealed to the Supreme Court and this process of appeal is ongoing. Priority listing will be applied for but it is unlikely that the appeal will be heard within the next two weeks and likely even longer.

Yours sincerely,

Concerned Citizens

Website below - grounds no 3 affects me in N Ireland

Thanks sinnain. Can you answer the 64,000 dollar question. Given that this process is now going through the supreme court, has the president signed the lisbon result into law.

griswald

[willys girl]

Sorry a bit late but signed and sent.

[sinnain]

[QUOTE=sinnain;1058364788]

Thanks sinnain. Can you answer the 64,000 dollar question. Given that this process is now going through the supreme court, has the president signed the lisbon result into law.

griswald

That is the 64000 dollar question - noone seems to know. I'm in N Ireland & there was probably less news about it up here than down south.....i'll keep looking though :)

[sinnain]

Today is the big day.....time to pray folks :)

Czech court to hear Lisbon case

The Czech Constitutional Court is due to hear what could be the last legal challenge to the EU's Lisbon Treaty.

It will consider a case brought by 17 Eurosceptic senators who say the treaty would create a superstate, and as such infringes Czech sovereignty.

The treaty, which aims to streamline the way the EU is run, must be approved by all 27 member countries before it can become law.

The Czech Republic is the only country which has yet to sign.

The 15-member Czech Constitutional Court panel will convene in the city of Brno.

The BBC's Rob Cameron, in Brno, says that the court has received several additional petitions in the past few days, and some observers believe that the judges may need more than one day to decide.

The court challenge is one of two hurdles to be cleared before Czech President Vaclav Klaus will sign the Lisbon Treaty.

A similar case has already been dismissed, but the president - a Eurosceptic who strongly opposes the treaty - still has to sign it to complete ratification.

He has said he will not do that unless provided with solid guarantees about property rights in the Czech Republic, a subject which will be addressed by a summit later this week in Brussels.

Our correspondent says the EU is keen to get on with the task of implementing far-reaching reforms, including the appointment of a new permanent EU president, but is being frustrated by the lack of Czech ratification.

The Czech parliament has already approved the treaty.

The Lisbon Treaty is also under threat from the UK's Conservative Party.

They say they will hold a referendum on the treaty if they form a government next year, and if it is not signed into law by then.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327190.stm

Have forgotten how to embed videos.....sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV5gSxCGUd4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yRs0Syvo0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p3MhRWoH1E

[dangermouse]

Today is the big day.....time to pray folks :)



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327190.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327190.stm

Have forgotten how to embed videos.....sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV5gSxCGUd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yRs0Syvo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p3MhRWoH1E

cheers for the links

[sinnain]

I'm hoping this is a good sign :)

Delay in Czech EU treaty ruling

The Czech Constitutional Court has adjourned until next week a hearing into what could be the last legal challenge to the EU's Lisbon Treaty.

It had been considering a case brought by 17 Eurosceptic senators who say the treaty would create a superstate, and as such infringes Czech sovereignty.

The treaty, which aims to streamline the way the EU is run, must be approved by all 27 member countries.

The Czech Republic is the only country which has yet to sign.

Court officials in Brno said the 15-member Czech Constitutional Court panel would reconvene on 3 November when a ruling was "very probable", the Reuters news agency reported.

The BBC's Rob Cameron, in Brno, says that the court has received several additional petitions in the past few days, and some observers had believed that the judges may need more than one day to decide.

The court challenge is one of two hurdles to be cleared before Czech President Vaclav Klaus will sign the Lisbon Treaty.

A similar case has already been dismissed, but the president - a Eurosceptic who strongly opposes the treaty - still has to sign it to complete ratification.

He has said he will not do that unless provided with solid guarantees about property rights in the Czech Republic, a subject which will be addressed by a summit later this week in Brussels.

Our correspondent says the EU is keen to get on with the task of implementing far-reaching reforms, including the appointment of a new permanent EU president, but is being frustrated by the lack of Czech ratification.

The Czech parliament has already approved the treaty.

The Lisbon Treaty is also under threat from the UK's Conservative Party.

They say they will hold a referendum on the treaty if they form a government next year, and if it is not signed into law by then.

Speculation is mounting about possible candidates for the two new powerful posts that Lisbon would create - the President of the European Council (EU president) and the High Representative for Foreign Affairs.

UK ministers say they would welcome former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair becoming EU president, though he remains tight-lipped about whether he will bid for it.

However, BBC Europe correspondent Dominic Hughes says Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg are among smaller EU countries that believe the president should come from a country that uses the euro and is part of the border-free Schengen Agreement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327190.stm

[freckles]

So, stupid question.. ... ..

Does anyone know if Mary signed her name to it yet?

[dangermouse]

So, stupid question.. ... ..

Does anyone know if Mary signed her name to it yet?

If she has signed it while it is still being challenged surely it is invalid ?

[griswald]

If she has signed it while it is still being challenged surely it is invalid ?


I think maybe a few e mails to the office of the president, and ask herself,

griswald

[broken silence]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/30/czech-republic-lisbon-treaty

EU grants Czech Republic Lisbon treaty concessionRatification hurdle overcome as only EU country yet to sign legislation gets opt-out from charter of fundamental rights

Haroon Siddique and agencies guardian.co.uk, Friday 30 October 2009 08.25 GMT Article history
Vaclav Klaus has secrued an opt-out from the EU charter of fundamental rights. Photograph: Stephen Chernin/AP


European leaders have granted the Czech Republic an opt-out from the EU charter of fundamental rights in a move intended to force the country's Eurosceptic leader to finally ratify the Lisbon treaty.

The Czech Republic's refusal to sign – it is the only member state yet to ratify the legislation – has held up the implementation of the treaty and the naming of an EU president.

EU leaders meeting in Brussels approved the UK style opt-out, overcoming an obstacle placed in the path of ratification by the Czech president, Vaclav Klaus, earlier this month.

Klaus shocked the EU when he demanded an opt-out from the rights charter, saying he was attempting to shield the Czech Republic from property claims made by ethnic Germans expelled from the country after the second world war.

"Vaclav Klaus was content with the text [of the opt-out]. He has been informed about all modifications ... and does not have a problem with it," the Czech prime minister, Jan Fischer, said.

The last legal hurdle to the treaty is a challenge by a group of Czech senators who share Klaus's Euroscepticism and argue that the treaty would infringe Czech national sovereignty.

But the Czech constitutional court is expected to throw out the objection next week and if the case is rejected, Klaus – with the opt-out in place – will have no reason not to sign.

Only then can discussions about who should fill the new treaty-created post of EU president move from the corridors into the negotiating room, probably at a special gathering of EU leaders late next month.

At the weekend, Klaus indicated that he was resigned to the treaty coming into effect, saying "it will not be possible to stop it or turn it around, however much we would wish to".
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So Klaus is happy to sign this treaty as long as he does not have to give some land back to Germany?

This opt-out was all he appears to have been interested in all along, the prick.

What good is this precious land going to do when the fascist superstate comes into exsistence?

[freckles]

I think maybe a few e mails to the office of the president, and ask herself,

griswald

Still nothing from the main woman herself but after a long and lengthy wait the government press office RTE finally made sense of my very basic and straightforward email and decided to respond as such:

:rolleyes:
"Well that makes far more sense, so thank you for that update.

So now today, I have forwarded your e-mail to the RTÉ News, RTÉ Prime Time, and the RTÉ Frontline programmes. (Jesus, I have done that already!!)

It is up to their research teams as to whether the item is investigated or not, but at least they will be prompted by your e-mail, at the very least.

Thank you for taking the time to write. "

Amazing really :rolleyes:

[griswald]

Still nothing from the main woman herself but after a long and lengthy wait the government press office RTE finally made sense of my very basic and straightforward email and decided to respond as such:

:rolleyes:
"Well that makes far more sense, so thank you for that update.

So now today, I have forwarded your e-mail to the RTÉ News, RTÉ Prime Time, and the RTÉ Frontline programmes. (Jesus, I have done that already!!)

It is up to their research teams as to whether the item is investigated or not, but at least they will be prompted by your e-mail, at the very least.

Thank you for taking the time to write. "

Amazing really :rolleyes:


RTE will broadcast and investigate sweet fa. The only topics they will cover are the ones decided for them from reuters, and nothing else.

National news stations, in the main, are also afraid to ask the pertinent questions that need to be answered. they will all be singing from their well prepared hymnsheet.

And if you get anyone in RTE to investigate this question,

" Where are the pictures of the president signing into law, the most important document since the proclamation,

You can tie me to a chair, and make me watch the full seasons episode of Ryan Confidential.:eek:

griswald

[freckles]

RTE will broadcast and investigate sweet fa. The only topics they will cover are the ones decided for them from reuters, and nothing else.

National news stations, in the main, are also afraid to ask the pertinent questions that need to be answered. they will all be singing from their well prepared hymnsheet.

And if you get anyone in RTE to investigate this question,

" Where are the pictures of the president signing into law, the most important document since the proclamation,

You can tie me to a chair, and make me watch the full seasons episode of Ryan Confidential.:eek:

griswald

:D :D :D :D :D I didn't fall for the generic reply, figured they were just trying to shut me up, stop me mailing :D

[freckles]

And that... is the sound of inevitability...............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8339464.stm


Czech court clears Lisbon Treaty

The Czech constitutional court has ruled that the Lisbon Treaty is in line with the constitution, clearing the way for President Vaclav Klaus to sign it.

The Czech Republic is the only EU member yet to ratify the treaty, and the decision removes one of the last hurdles for its passage.

The Eurosceptic Mr Klaus, who was awaiting the court's decision, has said he will not further oppose the treaty.

The treaty was drawn up to streamline decision-making in the 27-member body.

Its supporters say it will allow the bloc to operate more efficiently and give it greater influence in world affairs. Critics say it will cede too many national powers to Brussels.

If Mr Klaus signs, that will pave the way for the treaty to come into effect throughout the EU as early as 1 December.

LISBON TREATY
Creates new post of EU president (President of European Council)
New post of high representative for foreign affairs
More decisions by majority vote rather than unanimity
Ratified by all member states except Czech Republic
Only Irish Republic held referendum on it - twice ('Yes' vote second time)
Took a decade of negotiations
Was intended to take effect in January 2009

Cameron 'disappointed' by Czechs

The Czech president has been seen as the last major obstacle to the passage of the treaty, but he has recently appeared satisfied with a promised opt-out from the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights.

Mr Klaus has said the opt-out was essential to avoid property claims from ethnic Germans, 2.5 million of whom were expelled from Czechoslovakia after World War II.

The BBC's Rob Cameron in Prague says no-one knows when Mr Klaus might sign the treaty, though it looks like he will have no reason not to.

The Czech constitutional court had been considering a case brought by 17 Eurosceptic senators who said the treaty would create a super-state, and as such would infringe Czech sovereignty.

The Lisbon Treaty would create the post of a new European Council president who would serve a term of two-and-a-half years.

It also provides for a new foreign policy chief, combining the posts of the existing foreign affairs representative and the external affairs commissioner.

The treaty replaced an earlier draft constitution, which was rejected in referendums in France and the Netherlands in 2005.

[dangermouse]

treaty signed done deal :(

[gilly]

treaty signed done deal :(

In view of which, I'll now unsticky this thread. :(

[dangermouse]

In view of which, I'll now unsticky this thread. :(

yeah . cheers a battle lost but the war is far from over ;)

[dolores1]

Hear hear

[freckles]

yeah . cheers a battle lost but the war is far from over ;)

Should be interesting to see who is nominated for commissioner ;)

[dolores1]

Watch out for the brown envelopes!