uk 47% of nurses do not want the vaccine

[clozaril]

Nurse confidence in swine flu vaccine falling (http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-new-in-nursing/swine-flu/nurse-confidence-in-swine-flu-vaccine-falling/5006950.article) <<< link from the nursing times 6/10/09

With the first doses of vaccine expected to arrive at trusts in the next week or two, just under half of frontline nurses say they do not intend to have the jab, according to a snapshot survey of nearly 1,700 readers.

The results suggest fewer nurses are likely to get vaccinated now than in August, when Nursing Times asked readers the same questions about immunisation against swine flu.


*mods can we keep this up in todays news for a while before getting junked in a mega thread this needs to be known*

[bones]

they might not want it now but when they are threatened with the jobs im sure they will have it except for the die hards of course!!!


it stinks!!! free country my arse!!

[clozaril]

i'm keeping an eye on this as i work in health and social care and am willing to lose my job rather than be vaccinated. and i am waiting for a backlash against the vaccines though it may not get reported in the MSM

law suits have been filed in the US and unions are against it. vaccines began yesterday in the US

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63144732.html

[gilly]

i'm keeping an eye on this as i work in health and social care and am willing to lose my job rather than be vaccinated. and i am waiting for a backlash against the vaccines though it may not get reported in the MSM

law suits have been filed in the US and unions are against it. vaccines began yesterday in the US

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63144732.html

Thanks for that. It will be helpful to get 1st hand updates from people like yourself who can see things the media don't want us to know about.

[rollotomaz1]

they might not want it now but when they are threatened with the jobs im sure they will have it except for the die hards of course!!!


it stinks!!! free country my arse!!

We are living in a world of make belief, alice in wonderland type scenario, most hold everything they have materially instead of preservationally.

But I wouldn't give in to threats because if no nurses went to work the whole system would come crashing to a hault, and there are going to be many different ways of trying to make them look like they are the ones who are doing the wrong thing here, again mind games will prevail,

We need to get the lawyers involved here, because through experiences in my past, many will be spun falsehoods to get them to react against themselves,

To make someone take, not pysically but mentally, an untested drug at ones own risk slots into the indirect violence category, meaning if you don't know what is going to happen you cannot ask someone to be a guinea pig for yourself, before you take it yourself, a sort of suck it and see scenario, its against the law, and if they change the law to suit this scenario, ask them to have the injection first before the general public is administered the drug, they cannot have it both ways, one cancells out the other.

A quick story about my sisters family,

Her son has had the N1H1 virus, he was treated with Tamiflu tablet 5 day course, made him much worse than what he had before, it really knocked him off of his feet, in bed for three days, he has recovered now, but

During that course of tablets, the rest of the family contracted the flu, they were not tested, non had any treatment, all have recovered much quicker than the boy did,

Turns out that their son once under treatment, as in the flu jab victims became a live agent and infected the rest of the family, you must stay in doors and away from the public, its called cold calling or something like that in the USA, where you need to sign a form saying your taking the stay at home route until things have cleared, this is how to get around the compulsary jab, you must fill out a form for each person or they won't be qualified for this route.

I have loads more if you want it, stuff from a couple of my friends who are directly involved in the field, if you pm me I will try to help, if I get too many I will post them up on the forum.

By the way there are also other routes for the flu treatment, one is by nasal application this is a much better way at convincing the parents that its not as invasive as the jab, they will use this route to get it into your kids, be ready for this one and have a really good think about it before you react, once its in its in you.

And on a closing note where are the dead, where is the blood pandemic, because I haven't seen it yet, a few folks around here have died of old age,

[iliveinhope]

i'm keeping an eye on this as i work in health and social care and am willing to lose my job rather than be vaccinated. and i am waiting for a backlash against the vaccines though it may not get reported in the MSM

law suits have been filed in the US and unions are against it. vaccines began yesterday in the US

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/63144732.html

How many people working in health and social care do you think already know about www.theflucase.com?
Are there any internet forums for health care workers that we could post this info on?

[paolo]

This is one registered nurse that won't be taking the vaccine
I don't know of anywhere that health and social care workers opposed to the vaccine are organised. Perhaps I should start one....

[rollotomaz1]

This is one registered nurse that won't be taking the vaccine
I don't know of anywhere that health and social care workers opposed to the vaccine are organised. Perhaps I should start one....

As an ex medic and only in north yorkshire I'd be willing to help you, I have a vast knowledge in the medical world which will help, I'm also a good web-master too. Pm me if you work something out,

[clozaril]

sounds great. i'm not a member of a union so i don't know what the unions stance is regarding forced vaccinations.

yeah paolo there doesn't seem to be a place where everyone can check in to get alternative info. there are quite a few people who work in the nhs and private health care companies on the DI forum.

i'm getting a lot of my info from US radio coast to coast and rense etc. and len horowitz has been on quite a bit.

this is jane burgermeisters site http://www.theflucase.com/

len horowitz http://www.fluscam.com/HOME.html

[clozaril]

another site http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/

for that site is a link to uk changes to mental health act in relation to swine flu which was mentioned in the uk column.http://www.managementinpractice.com/default.asp?title=SwineflupromptschangestoMentalHe althAct&page=article.display&article.id=18628

[krakhead]

for that site is a link to uk changes to mental health act in relation to swine flu which was mentioned in the uk column.http://www.managementinpractice.com/default.asp?title=SwineflupromptschangestoMentalHe althAct&page=article.display&article.id=18628

As far as I am aware this is only part of a contingency plan should it all go properly tits up (yes, that is a recognised medical term! ;)) - not an actual plan due to be implemented prior to possible mass staff sickness from H1N1

[clozaril]

i hope so. some 'researchers' are making suppositions that these are in place for and because of the swine-flu even going as far as saying that because some doctors will refuse a mandatory vaccine they will be fired and this will cause staff shortages. there is a lot of scare-mongering about. some 'researchers' are digging up legislation thats 5 yrs old and saying see this was put into for the swine flu pandemic. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058316181&postcount=272

i don't know whats going to happen i may be getting my knickers in a twist over nothing, i don't know. the vaccines have started this week in the US it's quiet over here at present but within the next 2 weeks i'm thinking the MSM are going to go into overdrive.

[paolo]

I hear tonight that in the New England Journal of Medicine, that amongst a population of children tested with the H1N1 vaccine 46% had adverse inflammatory events. This bodes ill

[paolo]

Um, this is little different from that reported above
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0907650

[i_am]

I just heard on the radio that they are asking all Australians to get the vaccine, especially those with other underlying health issues. They said they have enough for every Australian.

There is no way I will be comprising my system with this gunk. I will take my chances, thank you very much :mad:

My only concern is that if they make it mandatory for international travel, my globetrotting days could be curtailed. So be it!

[clozaril]

nursing times today 9/10/09 Swine flu cases fewer than feared + 50% of gp's will refuse vaccine from august

The second wave of swine flu is well under way, but peak numbers may be lower than feared, according to the chief medical officer.

An estimated 18,000 new cases in England in the last week, up from 14,000 in the previous week and 9,000 the week before that, is nowhere near the doubling that had been anticipated.

Sir Liam Donaldson said: “We may have got a lucky break in how the virus has behaved at the start of our flu season, and we may be able to get the vaccine out there before our flu season really gets under way.

“We are well into the second wave of pandemic flu, having had the first wave in July but it’s proving so far to be a slow burner.”

Deliveries of the GSK swine flu vaccine are imminent, he said, and the first doses will be given to priority groups and frontline health workers at the end of the month.

Half a million doses of the Baxter swine flu vaccine are in stock.


one in two GPs will refuse the vaccine http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=4123491

One in two GPs 'will refuse swine flu vaccine'

24 Aug 09

By Lilian Anekwe

Exclusive: Nearly half of GPs have decided to not be vaccinated against swine flu once a jab becomes available in the autumn.

A snapshot survey of GPs conducted by Pulse found that 56 of the 115 GPs surveyed said they did not intend to receive the jab.

Last week chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson announced GPs and frontline healthcare workers would be given top priority in the queue for the swine flu vaccine.

Sir Liam Donaldson vowed to vaccinate healthcare staff by Christmas at the latest, in order to keep working during the expected second wave of the swine flu – which is expected to be more severe in the winter with a worst case scenario of 65,000 deaths according to Department of Health modelling.
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But the Pulse poll shows the extent of the reluctance amongst GPs to have the jab. Of the 115 GPs surveyed, 56 said they did not intend to be vaccinated, 48 said they would have the jab when it was available, and 11 were undecided.

It comes as public opinion appears to be swaying in the face of continuing concern over the safety of the vaccine.

A study published in the journal Emerging Health Threats found parents may refuse to get immunised or vaccinate their children against a pandemic virus if they believe the risks of a novel vaccine outweigh the benefits.

The Canadian researchers conducted 11 focus groups and found the public would be reluctant to get vaccinated against an illness perceived as mild, and were ‘very concerned’ that a vaccine would be rushed through without sufficient testing for safety.

[clozaril]

from the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/11/swine-flu-pandemic-vaccine-nhs
One medical director at another hospital added: "The word on the street in NHS staff circles is that the vaccine is no good and you shouldn't bother with it. Nurses in particular worry that there may be side-effects, that corners have been cut in producing the vaccine and that the generally mild nature of the virus means they don't need to take it. As few as 10%-15% of doctors may have it (vaccine) because we doctors believe ourselves to be above such trivial things as infections."

A poll by Nursing Times magazine last week showed that the proportion of nurses who do not intend to get vaccinated has risen from 31% in August to 47%, while those who definitely will has fallen from 35% to 23%.

from the telegraph to day similar story http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/6302462/Fears-over-low-take-up-of-swine-flu-vaccine-among-health-staff.html

There are signs that many health staff will decide against being immunised because of doubts about the vaccine’s effectiveness, fear of side-effects and a view that swine flu is not particularly dangerous.

However hospitals expect only a faction of staff to volunteer to receive the vaccine.