Double suicide

[broken silence]

Two girls jump from a bridge in Scotland after absconding from a christian care home which has been previously linked with abuse.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2009/10/05/teenage-girls-die-after-125ft-plunge-from-erskine-bridge-86908-21723526/

The care home

http://www.goodshepherdcentre.org.uk/open_school/welcome/



Previous claims against the care home

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/03/08/ex-pupil-s-48-hours-of-hell-at-good-shepherd-centre-86908-20343924/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/01/12/exclusive-good-shepherd-abuse-probe-school-to-close-down-after-cash-crisis-86908-21034824/

This care home was supposed to be closed on 31 march this year due to previous claims of abuse. Maybe if it had been, these girls would still be alive.

[secret66mechanism]

http:///www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2531624.0.0.php

link dont work

[lynfowars]

link dont work

Works for me (FireFox)

[broken silence]

Links now working, sorry it`s been a long day.

[broken silence]

More info from The Herald online;

Breaking news: Care home to be investigated after suicides of teenage girls



Bridge tragedy
Neve Lafferty and Georgia Rowe
Erskine bridge
The Good Shepherd Centre in Bishopton, Renfrewshire, is to be investigated
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0 commentsPublished on 6 Oct 2009

Authorities are to investigate a residential unit that allowed two teenage girls to leave at night and take their own lives by leaping hand-in-hand from the Erskine Bridge.

Neve Lafferty and Georgia Rowe died on Sunday when they plunged 125 feet into the River Clyde.

Neve, 15, from Helensburgh, and 14-year-old Georgia, from Hull, had met at the Good Shepherd Centre in Bishopton, Renfrewshire, a residential unit for troubled youngsters, less than four miles from the bridge.

Staff had seen the girls heading to their rooms in their pyjamas to watch TV and only noticed they were missing after carrying out a routine check.

The Care Commission and Argyll & Bute Council said they would investigate the circumstances surrounding the tragedy, which police have already ruled was not suspicious.

Neve’s family in the Dunbartonshire town were yesterday struggling to come to terms with their loss, and a close relative said the girl’s mother was “just totally in shock” and “numb”.

The tragedy was completely unexpected, the relative said, adding that Neve had appeared “happy and well” on a family day out two weeks ago.

Neve had been staying at the Good Shepherd Centre for only a few months, but had previously been in contact with other institutions offering help and support to emotionally unstable youths.

The relative, who did not wish to be named, added: “I’m quite angry at the fact she’s been able to get out. Places like that should be secure – they go there to be looked after, not to get out and take their lives.”

The Good Shepherd Centre, a Christian residential unit that provides care and education for troubled girls, was investigated by police and care authorities last year after a critical report and an anonymous complaint were brought to light. Though the centre has “secure” accommodation for the most at-risk teens, neither Neve nor Georgia were understood to have been staying in this particular unit.

Ronnie Hill, the Care Commission’s director of children’s services regulation, said: “The police are currently carrying out an investigation into the incident, and once this is completed, the Care Commission will also be investigating the matter. It would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.”

Argyll & Bute Council said in a statement that it would also be investigating the “distressing case”.
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Again, no mention of the fact that this home was due to be closed in March this year due to past accusations of abuse. This has been swept under the carpet by the same Scottish press that reported the home was to be closed in the other articles on this thread.

This case reeks of systematic abuse at the highest levels going unpunished yet again. The logo of the `Christian` care home involved has a snake in it!

This unit looks like a MK Ultra centre to me.

[Ian2day]

I dont believe the news any more. Unless someone knows them or saw them jump. It is made up to serve an agenda.

[wildhorse]

yeah this story was heartbreaking...I only find comfort in that two girls were together in their quest, and held hands - the only support they truely felt they had, was in the end, each other :(

bridges and rivers - yes, they tend to make morbid gateways

Also, just read on msm, Matt Lucas' former husband has been found hanged

why are people suiciding like this....obviously some souls cant take the world like this anymore

love and peace go out to all the loved ones

[Ian2day]

Nah people are gangstalked by certain groups of individuals. Pushed to end it by the psychological barrage they have to endue alone. I am aware of one such group which has been doing it for years. Has corrupt officials in the gang from all walks of life. If there is one group up to this activity then there is more of them, as well as splinter groups who form their own networks.

[dude111]

This is very sad........

link dont workYes there is an extra / in it,here is the working one :)

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2531624.0.0.php

[the white knight]

Poor little sods may there hearts rest in peace all they need was the love of some parents.

[godspeed]

If we tolerate this

then your children will be next

this is what we get for thinking kids in care

get any care.......R.I.P..... little ones returned to love........

[shenoma]

What's the point? They will properly be recycled back to Earth in worse situation then before.

[the white knight]

I hope not.

[bert_stoon]

RIP

Coulld be completely unrelated, but I had a dream yesterday morning, of two Barbie style dolls jumping from top of a bunk bed to their death. Didnt think anything of it apart from being a bit weird then i realised last night what a coincidence it was.

[broken silence]

What's the point? They will properly be recycled back to Earth in worse situation then before.

Only if they choose to be.;)

[edelweiss pirate]

Another 'registered charity' that is not quite what it seems......

I guess things like this make our little problems pale into insignificance. Poor little kids.

I hope they get the help they need on the other side.

[edelweiss pirate]

Weird logo from St Phillips another 'school' run by the same guy
Franck McCormick http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9545/serpent1.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/serpent1.jpg/)


Compare this with the logo for 'the good shepherd' school.

What creature do you see hiding there? A Snake in the grass?

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3240/serpent2.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/serpent2.jpg/)

[edelweiss pirate]

The Good Shepherd centre is run by a Scotish education body called The Cora Foundation.

Welcome to the Good Shepherd Centre - Secure Unit


The Good Shepherd Centre Secure/Close Support Unit is an 18 bed secure unit and a 6 bed close support unit dedicated to providing high quality services for girls.

The Board of Managers of the Good Shepherd Centre operate the facility and have full responsibility for the financial and professional management of the Secure/Close Support Unit.

The Good Shepherd Centre together with St John's, St Philips and St Mary's form the Cora Foundation, a centralised strategic management company. Within the Core Foundation the care, education and control offered to young people is based on Christian values, standards and principles and within the Good Shepherd Centre this is promoted by the Board of Managers.




I did a dictionary search for Cora and found the following (apart from a north African gazelle):

Noun 1. Cora - (Greek mythology) daughter of Zeus and Demeter; made queen of the underworld by Pluto in ancient mythology; identified with Roman Proserpina
Despoina, Kore, Persephone
Greek mythology - the mythology of the ancient Greeks


So it's a pagan organisation hiding behind a Christian facade..

Also if you type Cora in google images you get a whole page full of 'glamour models'. It seems to be a very popular monicker in the porn industry.

Here is the reason:

She is the archetype of the abducted female raped and overpowered by satanists:

(Proserpina is the Roman name for Cora)

The Rape of Proserpina is a large baroque marble sculptural group by Bernini executed between 1621 and 1622 while Bernini was only 23 years old at its completion. It depicts Proserpina being seized and taken to the underworld by Pluto.
A detail from the right side of the sculpture, showing Pluto's fingers pressing into Proserpina's flesh.

The twisted contrapposto or figura serpentinata pose is reminiscent of Mannerism, and allows the simultaneous depiction of the abduction (as seen from the left, with Pluto striding to grasp her), the arrival in the underworld (as seen from the front, he appears triumphantly bearing his trophy in his arms) and her prayer to her mother Ceres to return to the real world 6 months a year (as seen from the right one, with Proserpina's tears, the wind blowing her hair, and Cerberus barking). Pushing against Pluto's face Proserpina's hand creases his skin, while his fingers sink into the flesh of his victim. Proserpina’s lips are slightly opened, as if she were screaming and begging for help. Upon closer examination, one would notice the delicately crafted marble tears that look as though they are literally dripping down her face.

Thus the ritualistic nature of this sad case is exposed.

[shaivite]

Many moons ago I grew up in Erskine and lived about 5-10 mins walk from the bridge. You would be surprised how often people jumped off it. It wasn't often in the papers but you would regularly see the helicopter hovering about searching the water under the bridge for jumpers.

I also had two aunts who worked for the Good Shepherd centre in Bishopton. I used to hear them discussing it and have heard a fair bit about the place, its workings and got a good idea how the girls resident there were treated. Though this was at least 15 years ago, I've got no idea how it has been since then.

I'm doubtful that this case of these two young girls is anything conspiratorial, ritualistic or "satanic". My impression is that it is a very sad case that involves two very sad girls who under the weight of heart ache and very raw emotions seem to have decided upon a course of action which is thankfully seldom seen in kids who are so young.

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm doubtful that this case of these two young girls is anything conspiratorial, ritualistic or "satanic"..

Why are you doubtful?

Do you not find it odd that the home where female child abuse has taken place is run by a foundation whose pagan name specifically evokes female abuse and abduction.

I think you should put the tin of whitewash away. Denial creates optimumum conditions for these abusers to operate.

PS Gnothi Seauton: Temple of Delphi. I get it, you are a pagan protecting your faith. Perhaps consider if what you are protecting is worth protecting anymore.

[moonflower]

I had heard that people were sick of clearning bodies from their back gardens. I regularly cross this bridge and there is 2 portions of high fence either side to stop people jumping but you can go to the middle above the river and jump there?

I must have passed over there within an hour of those girls jumping eek.

M

[enga]

If we tolerate this

then your children will be next

this is what we get for thinking kids in care

get any care.......R.I.P..... little ones returned to love........

Not everyone who works in care homes are bad and don't care about the kids. A lot of the staff really take time to treat them as if they were in there own home and try to treat them decently and help them. Don't judge all care homes or staff because of a few bad apples. There are those who treat it just as a job and don't care and treat the kids as part of an institution but they should be weeded out. Trouble is the places are quite often run like businesses now and not as 'homes' for kids.

[broken silence]

Completely agree with you Edelwiess Pirate. Great find about the name Cora, that proves the satanic angle here for me. The unit itself is in Bishopton and is overseen by Bishops. Dodgy bastards the lot of them.

According to tonights paper, of the girls friends, Georgia, ran away from this unit just last week and started a new life for herself. Georgia left a bebo message to her brother saying she was ok. I hope that the message came from her and that she really is ok.

Still no mention of why this place was not shut down as scheduled in March.

Here is the full article

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2531726.0.0.php?act=complaint&cid=2008822

[shaivite]

Why are you doubtful?


Why are you so quick to assume that with a quick internet search you can grandly proclaim that 'the ritualistic nature of this sad case is exposed.' I'm afraid that it isn't. This is not thorough research. No conclusions can be drawn from this.

I'm also doubtful becauseas I said:

a. I have an idea how regularly people used to jump off that bridge. People literally used to come from miles around to jump off it. It is a suicide hotspot in western Scotland. It even had "SOS" phones installed on it!

b. I've heard many a story and first hand account of what goes on in this centre (or at least used to) from people I have known all my life. So this is why I'm doubtful.

Give me something more than an ancient association with a name to balance out what I know from my many years of experience of living next to this bridge and hearing many a first hand account of the place and what goes on inside it!

Also many organisations have the name "Cora" in them. Are they all evil run by scarey pagans?


Do you not find it odd that the home where female child abuse has taken place is run by a foundation whose pagan name specifically evokes female abuse and abduction.


The name "Cora", and variations there of, more commonly means "maiden". So I can see the logic in why it is used.


I think you should put the tin of whitewash away. Denial creates optimumum conditions for these abusers to operate.


:eek: LOL You are funny.:D

Ironic really, because if anyone is whitewashing it is yourself. I have not denied anything, I have not said anything diabolical is not going on, I haven't ruled anything out. I only offered my experience and personal knowledge of this matter. I even made the point that my experience and knowledge of the place is dated. So I have been very open and honest here. What more do you want? Do you want me to quickly agree with your half baked notions and accept them as truth?

You accuse me of denial, but believe me please when I tell you that is so not the case. Equally I would say to you that while it is worthwhile pointing out what you did, as it was a worthy association, at the same time you can't really draw any conclusions from it. To do so is ignorance and folly. So to claim its a "pagan organisation hiding behind a Christian facade" is simply silly and why people interested in conspiracy matters get a bad rep as nutters.

You could have said it might be, or that it is a strange association that is worth looking into. But the strength of your tiny little bit of research into this specific matter doesn't qualify your grand conclusion. Your thinly supported assumption might turn out to be true, I don't completely rule it out not at all, but to say this is the truth of the matter based upon the info you have presented is a stupid assertion. Instead make a real case for what you suggest. Not just some weak info you pulled up on wiki.


PS Gnothi Seauton: Temple of Delphi. I get it, you are a pagan protecting your faith. Perhaps consider if what you are protecting is worth protecting anymore.

Perhaps you would like me to say 'Know Thyself' as written in some other spiritual tradition in another language? You miss the valuble point my friend. :(

Again, you are making big assumptions here which only show how little you actually know and how much you are projecting your own limited interpretation and understanding onto the situation and onto others i.e. myself. And please don't speak about my faith. I doubt you know anything about my faith and its practices. You have spread enough ignorance and made enough erroneous suggestions for one day. ;)

[shaivite]

I had heard that people were sick of clearning bodies from their back gardens. I regularly cross this bridge and there is 2 portions of high fence either side to stop people jumping but you can go to the middle above the river and jump there?

I must have passed over there within an hour of those girls jumping eek.

M

It was something of a joke/local urban myth, which might have some truth to it, that jumping bodies would occassionally get caught in the high winds and be blown into the gardens in the houses on the Bowling/Clydebank side of the river. How much truth there is to this I don't know. But there are a few houses, which if somebody really drifted through the air of the wind, they could conceivably land there.

I've walked across the bridge many a time and it would be no trouble to jump from (in terms of barriers). As you suggest the barrier situation is a bit crazy. At either end of the bridge for about the first quarter of it there are high barriers. But from then on the barrier is only about four foot high. So you can't jump from the lower parts but you can from the high!

[broken silence]

b. I've heard many a story and first hand account of what goes on in this centre (or at least used to) from people I have known all my life. So this is why I'm doubtful.

You obviously did not read the two articles in my original post where two seperate people told stories of abuse- one going back to the 1970`s- happening in this Care unit. Once again, this unit was due to be closed down earlier this year due to past cases of abuse. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Given this, I would most certainly not be telling other people that I know folk who used to work there.

[harry_88]

What's the point? They will properly be recycled back to Earth in worse situation then before.

Presuming the official story of suicide is correct, then, yes, I think that you are right.

"Just like foolish person suffering from some disease, he wants to kill himself, sometimes commit suicide, because he does not know that after suicide, the policy, there is no stoppage; he will have to become a ghost because you have disobeyed. God has given you certain type of body. You have to stay in that body for certain period. That is obedience to God. If you untimely kill this body, then it is sinful. Just like you are put into prison house for a certain number of months or years. Before that period, if you flee away, then you are again punished. Is it not? Because you did not fulfill the terms of your prison life, then again you become criminal. Similarly, those who kills another body, or those who kill another body, or those who make suicide, they become again criminal. Again criminal. This is the law of nature, but they do not know." (A. C. Bhaktivedanta swami, Calcutta, March 8, 1972)

[rapunzel]

The Good Shepherd centre is run by a Scotish education body called The Cora Foundation.

I did a dictionary search for Cora and found the following (apart from a north African gazelle):

So it's a pagan organisation hiding behind a Christian facade..

Also if you type Cora in google images you get a whole page full of 'glamour models'. It seems to be a very popular monicker in the porn industry.

Here is the reason:

She is the archetype of the abducted female raped and overpowered by satanists:

(Proserpina is the Roman name for Cora)


Thus the ritualistic nature of this sad case is exposed.

Cora is from the Greek word for girl - "kore".

Sorry to spoil yet another anti-Pagan diatribe with the truth. Yet again you are using a tragedy to attack Paganism and you seem not to care one whit about these two poor girls.

From what I could see the abuse that is alleged to have taken place at this home was physical abuse which is quite common in Christian, particularly Catholic children's' homes. Your sick mind automatically sees ritualistic, sexual abuse.

I hope these two girls now have peace and a happier life.

[shaivite]

You obviously did not read the two articles in my original post where two seperate people told stories of abuse- one going back to the 1970`s- happening in this Care unit.


No, I haven't read the two articles.


Once again, this unit was due to be closed down earlier this year due to past cases of abuse. Why is this so hard for you to understand?


Again, somebody making an incorrect conclusion. Read my posts and you'll see that I clearly say that I don't deny the possiblity of such events. I shared my understanding of the place and situation and yet did not deny the potentials that theoretically exist. I drew upon personal knowledge of the place. Yet I don't draw any absolute conclusions about the nature of the situation. This doesn't mean there is anything hard for me to understand, quite the opposite really. I am trying to explore the matter with some discrimination and logic, rather than jumping to crude elaborate conclusions that it would seem some here are prone to do.


Given this, I would most certainly not be telling other people that I know folk who used to work there.

Why? :confused: I believe in being trying to be open and honest in the pursuit of truth. The people I know who used to work there are good decent people. I believe they put in heart and soul into helping the girls there. If anything I think it is faulty logic to label all individuals and even entire organsations as being corrupt and sinister. Truth is these matters are seldom ever simplistic and black and white.

[broken silence]

No, I haven't read the two articles.

Then how can you give any sort of opinion on the situation? Good grief. I have nothing else to say to you.

[oneup]

Very sad story... but ritualistic? they jumped themselves, how can that be called a ritual?
Actually, they're probably better of dead then being abused in there, I know what I would prefer..
My thoughts are with all the other children on the planet that are suffering right now, while I am enjoying myself :( I can't fucking stand that :mad:

[pri01]

Using a bridge that is well known for suicide jumpers to get rid of 2 ritualistic sacrifices is a shrewd move if this is what has happened. Less attention, it sounds logical and it has doubters reminding those who question, that they are wrong, that this is how its allways been.

Questions need to asked about these deaths, lots of questions. Poor girls.

[crystalline]

In todays Daily Express it reported that the eldest of the two girls had posted a message on facebook recently about wanting to jump off a bridge to be with her boyfriend who had recently died from a methadone overdose, so not sure if this is related to any abuse?

[moonflower]

While we're talking about this area there is a small outcrop (Ardmore point) just down from the bridge on the North side of the Clyde near Helensburgh. Me and my mates went there several times as there is a big wood and it's like a maze. There is also a big old white house on it and I don't know who lives there but this is what happened one day:

We got up near the house and found this little round sandstone hut. We broke in through the wall through a missing sandstone block. Inside there was a set of chairs all facing intoward the middle with what looked like a hatch in the middle.

All the chairs had straps n that on them and there was other things hanging from the roof. We were young and I never took much of it in. We just ran after seeing it.

Never heard anything about it but still go there walking round the point but don't go in the woods bit. On the walk round there is also a sign next to the shore saying beware witches - kid you not.

M

[jakemaverick]

Nah people are gangstalked by certain groups of individuals. Pushed to end it by the psychological barrage they have to endue alone. I am aware of one such group which has been doing it for years. Has corrupt officials in the gang from all walks of life. If there is one group up to this activity then there is more of them, as well as splinter groups who form their own networks.

yeah...i'm victim, unfortunately i dnt have the stones to do what they did.....hope they find better in the next life, if u believe that sort of thing...

[shaivite]

Then how can you give any sort of opinion on the situation?


I can give an opinion in as much that:

- I have read what the MSM have reported on the matter. I know as much
as anyone else what has happened. Just because I didn't read your articles
doesn't mean I'm not informed.

- That I knew people who worked there, knew the place and the
surrounding area.

- I used to live next to the bridge where the two young girls passed on.

I think this pretty much qualifies me to have an opinion on the topic as much as the next person, if not that bit more. Would it also help if I mentioned I have a degree in Sociology, know social workers and such like, and have a fair idea of how some of the social care systems work? (and how they don't work)

Could I also now have an opinion please since I have now read those important articles? The ones you implied that I couldn't possibly be informed or have any idea of what has taken place without have read them. Well, three pieces from the Daily Record, that great bastion of Scottish journalism, has failed to offer any great illumination or suprises.

So given all the above am I maybe now please entitled to my thoughts and opinions on the topic?



Good grief. I have nothing else to say to you.

Very well, I'm more than happy with your wise choice. Afterall silence is golden. :)

[azureangel]

While we're talking about this area there is a small outcrop (Ardmore point) just down from the bridge on the North side of the Clyde near Helensburgh. Me and my mates went there several times as there is a big wood and it's like a maze. There is also a big old white house on it and I don't know who lives there but this is what happened one day:

We got up near the house and found this little round sandstone hut. We broke in through the wall through a missing sandstone block. Inside there was a set of chairs all facing intoward the middle with what looked like a hatch in the middle.

All the chairs had straps n that on them and there was other things hanging from the roof. We were young and I never took much of it in. We just ran after seeing it.

Never heard anything about it but still go there walking round the point but don't go in the woods bit. On the walk round there is also a sign next to the shore saying beware witches - kid you not.

M

I can't say whether this feels "ritualistic". But I can say that there's something wrong about a bridge where "people come from miles around to jump off it". Huh. I immediately got a feeling about some kind of portal or vortex of negativity there. Glad for your post Moonflower. There's more to this bridge itself and the suicides. The school, WTF. As for Christians and their corporal punishment behaviors, what's the difference? It's still abuse. Not OK. Why was this school not closed down as planned? I wonder why it should be so important to lock down these children if they are given the love and proper guidance they need. I see chains and dank dark places and control. Will send some love to that area. How about we shut that portal? Love, angel

[rashhead]

Total fucking liberty...

Two (really) lost young souls

What a heart-breaker

May you both be at peace

[edelweiss pirate]

Very sad story... but ritualistic? they jumped themselves, how can that be called a ritual?
Actually, they're probably better of dead then being abused in there, I know what I would prefer..
My thoughts are with all the other children on the planet that are suffering right now, while I am enjoying myself :( I can't fucking stand that :mad:

Sexually abused and driven to suicide. I believe that was the point of the thread.


Open your eyes for God's sake, why is the foundation called Cora? It's ritual. This is how it works.

Take the red pill again and wake up.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-20343924/



Heard of trauma based mind control?

Why am I having to basically go over old turf with some doofuses.

Let's get the clue and move on...


This called research, and it's so simple, I'm not that smart but I'm not that dumb to not notice that there are unaccountable coincidences.

You debunkers are just disinfo merchants, or else you're just really really dense.


The Good Shepherd centre is run by a Scotish education body called The Cora Foundation.

Welcome to the Good Shepherd Centre - Secure Unit


The Good Shepherd Centre Secure/Close Support Unit is an 18 bed secure unit and a 6 bed close support unit dedicated to providing high quality services for girls.

The Board of Managers of the Good Shepherd Centre operate the facility and have full responsibility for the financial and professional management of the Secure/Close Support Unit.

The Good Shepherd Centre together with St John's, St Philips and St Mary's form the Cora Foundation, a centralised strategic management company. Within the Core Foundation the care, education and control offered to young people is based on Christian values, standards and principles and within the Good Shepherd Centre this is promoted by the Board of Managers.




I did a dictionary search for Cora and found the following (apart from a north African gazelle):


Noun 1. Cora - (Greek mythology) daughter of Zeus and Demeter; made queen of the underworld by Pluto in ancient mythology; identified with Roman Proserpina
Despoina, Kore, Persephone
Greek mythology - the mythology of the ancient Greeks

So it's a pagan organisation hiding behind a Christian facade..

Also if you type Cora in google images you get a whole page full of 'glamour models'. It seems to be a very popular monicker in the porn industry.

Here is the reason:

She is the archetype of the abducted female raped and overpowered by satanists:

(Proserpina is the Roman name for Cora)

The Rape of Proserpina is a large baroque marble sculptural group by Bernini executed between 1621 and 1622 while Bernini was only 23 years old at its completion. It depicts Proserpina being seized and taken to the underworld by Pluto.
A detail from the right side of the sculpture, showing Pluto's fingers pressing into Proserpina's flesh.

The twisted contrapposto or figura serpentinata pose is reminiscent of Mannerism, and allows the simultaneous depiction of the abduction (as seen from the left, with Pluto striding to grasp her), the arrival in the underworld (as seen from the front, he appears triumphantly bearing his trophy in his arms) and her prayer to her mother Ceres to return to the real world 6 months a year (as seen from the right one, with Proserpina's tears, the wind blowing her hair, and Cerberus barking). Pushing against Pluto's face Proserpina's hand creases his skin, while his fingers sink into the flesh of his victim. Proserpina’s lips are slightly opened, as if she were screaming and begging for help. Upon closer examination, one would notice the delicately crafted marble tears that look as though they are literally dripping down her face.

Thus the ritualistic nature of this sad case is exposed.

Disinfo artists, pagans and blind wanderers... Stop trying to whitewash the ritualistic nature of this event.


Could someone with a brain please let me know that I'm not wasting my time here..... I feel like the one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.

Sometimes I'd rather just sod off and be the one eyed hermit. Come on guys there must be some REAL people out there in cyberspace..PLEASE!

[whatistruth]

What's the point? They will properly be recycled back to Earth in worse situation then before.

Er, no, they're just dead, that's it for them.

Very sad.

[edelweiss pirate]

Cora is from the Greek word for girl - "kore".

Sorry to spoil yet another anti-Pagan diatribe with the truth. Yet again you are using a tragedy to attack Paganism and you seem not to care one whit about these two poor girls.
.

Wrong.

Kore is the greek word for a particular idea of girl. Namely the maiden. Maiden actually means 'virgin'.

Why would a charitable organisation call itself either after the story of a girl raped by Pluto or indeed, why would a charitable body call itself 'virgin girl'.

The word Kore is based on the person of Cora who as I have already shown, was raped by pluto.


I'm reposting this to try to expose how dreadfully and willfully obstruse YOU are as a representative Wiccan and how you willfully choose facts to suit your opinion.

And why the wall of silence dominates these sad cases. BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! Protecting your own evil pagan practices!

TRULLY SICKENING.

Why are you even here on this forum. I wonder who you really are.....

[wakeup2nwo]

Two girls jump from a bridge in Scotland after absconding from a christian care home which has been previously linked with abuse.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2009/10/05/teenage-girls-die-after-125ft-plunge-from-erskine-bridge-86908-21723526/

The care home

http://www.goodshepherdcentre.org.uk/open_school/welcome/



Previous claims against the care home

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/03/08/ex-pupil-s-48-hours-of-hell-at-good-shepherd-centre-86908-20343924/

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/01/12/exclusive-good-shepherd-abuse-probe-school-to-close-down-after-cash-crisis-86908-21034824/

This care home was supposed to be closed on 31 march this year due to previous claims of abuse. Maybe if it had been, these girls would still be alive.

they say...

A Coastguard source said: "The information that we have is that it was two teenagers and that they held hands as they jumped from the bridge.

but never gave any information on a source who witnessed them holding hands before they jumped???

they also say with is kinda suspicious

A centre spokesman said they had been on apparently happy and productive weekend outings with relatives and were seen by staff in their pyjamas going to their rooms to watch television yesterday evening.

ummm

[scaltura]

the area is very highy masonic FACT

[rapunzel]

Wrong.

Kore is the greek word for a particular idea of girl. Namely the maiden. Maiden actually means 'virgin'.

Why would a charitable organisation call itself either after the story of a girl raped by Pluto or indeed, why would a charitable body call itself 'virgin girl'.

The word Kore is based on the person of Cora who as I have already shown, was raped by pluto.

Goodness me, you really take the biscuit you do. Dredging up an old thread – 8 months old just to have another go at me. I only found it by chance. Just what is your problem?

Certainly “maiden” implies a virgin but then so did “girl” when I was growing up. Unfortunately that’s not the case now. Maiden doesn’t mean “virgin”, it means “young unmarried woman” with the presumption she is a virgin. The actual word for virgin is “parthenos”.

I am not wrong to say Kore means “girl” since girl is the modern form of maiden.

See another dictionary definition for Kore.

Classical Mythology . Kore.
- a female given name: from a Greek word meaning “girl.”

Etymology: Greek korē girl; akin to Greek koros boy.

Incidentally at Locri in Italy Kore/ Persephone was seen as the protector of marriage,

You said in one of your posts:

“She is the archetype of the abducted female raped and overpowered by Satanists”!!

Since when has Hades, the Lord of the Underworld been a Satanist? Hades loved Kore and wanted her for his wife; she didn’t want him so he abducted her and made her his Queen. How is this comparable to a young woman who is abducted, raped and then disposed of? May I remind you that there are several stories in the Bible of the Israelites abducting young girls for marriage and it's not unheard of throughout history.

There's something esle you haven't thought of. Cora was a common female name in the 19th century and there are still women with that name now. You would need to ask the Catholic Church why they chose the name Cora for their organization but “Cora” is a well known Scottish name for a girl and in Gaelic means something like “a seething pool”. You have jumped to the conclusion, because you seem to see Satanism everywhere, that the name refers to the daughter of a Goddess who was abducted for marriage and you assume, without any proof, that the name was chosen as a cover for people who rape young girls.

No doubt you see yourself as a modern Sherlock Holmes as in “My name is Sherlock Holmes and it is my business to know what other people don't know." Or “Perhaps, when a man has special knowledge and special powers like my own, it rather encourages him to seek a complex explanation when a simpler one is at hand.” Exactly!

Other posters have mentioned the fragile emotional state of one of those girls and newspaper reports add:

“Miss Lafferty’s boyfriend is understood to have died from a methadone overdose. She wrote a message to him on her Bebo page, saying: “My heart still aches in sadness and secret tears still flow.

"When I die I'll go so far, I'll write his name on every star, so all the world can see how much he really means to me. I love you Jonny, x."

A relative of the teenager said she was “totally grief-stricken”, adding: “She had put up with so much in her life recently. She obviously couldn't take any more."

She also witnessed her father, Paul Lafferty, stab a neighbour to death while defending himself from a vicious attack. “

Source: Daily Telegraph.

I'm reposting this to try to expose how dreadfully and willfully obstruse YOU are as a representative Wiccan and how you willfully choose facts to suit your opinion.

I believe most thinking people would see that it is you who are choosing facts to suit your opinion. As you did with Shaivite where you assumed that because she had the words “Gnothi Seauton” from the Temple at Delphi as her sig she was automatically a Pagan! Unbelievable! You don’t seem to be able to handle people who have the nerve to disagree with you.

And why the wall of silence dominates these sad cases. BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU! Protecting your own evil pagan practices!

Where is the wall of silence? The story seems to have been in most papers and discussed on the internet. I believe the place concerned has since been shut down. These were young girls who were extremely emotionally disturbed and they possible had been physically assaulted as punishment since other earlier reports had alleged that this was happening to the children. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anything satanic was involved in this case other than your conclusion that Cora = Pagan = ritual abuse.

TRULLY SICKENING.

Yes, your attitude is truly sickening. You accuse other people of the most dreadful practices and beliefs without any proof whatsoever apart from your own ill informed prejudices. You use the terrible tragedy of the death of two lovely young girls as a club to hit me with.

Why are you even here on this forum. I wonder who you really are.....

I’m here because I find the Forum interesting and sometimes amusing and because I have made several friends. As for who I am ; a 67 year old woman, a long time Wiccan, mother of two grown up children, retired and disabled with arthritis in my knees and hoping to move house to buy a bungalow. Quite boring really. Sorry to disappoint you.

[edelweiss pirate]

The following is the reason all these 'charitable' care homes for children, old people, the mentally impaired and everything else seem corrupt with terrible abuse of various kinds these days.

These institutions have been deliberately corrupted by masonic minions and wiccan hags to further their overall agenda.

Lady Queensborough

Occult Theocrasy

These are the words of Italian Illuminati masons.


ADRIANO LEMMI 283

Measures are to be taken to counteract the work of the
institutions known as " OEuvres Pies " (Charitable Works)
which were founded by Clericalism to corrupt the people
under the misnomer of Charity. The morals of the country
thus endangered need reforming as well as the laws.

" If a prelate, or bishop, arrive in a province from
Rome, to celebrate or officiate at some public function,
it is necessary at once to become acquainted with his
character, his antecedents, his temperament, his defects
— especially his defects. If he should be our enemy —
an Albani, a Pallotta, a Bernetti, a Delia Genga, a Rivarola
— at once trap him, entangle him in all the nets
and snares you can.

Give him a character which must
horrify the young people and the women ; describe
him as cruel, heartless, and bloodthirsty ; relate some
atrocious transaction which will easily cause a sensation
amongst the people. The foreign newspapers will
learn and copy these facts, which they will know how
to embellish and colour according to their usual style.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/249424/Lady-Queensborough-Occult-Theocracy

[rapunzel]

The following is the reason all these 'charitable' care homes for children, old people, the mentally impaired and everything else seem corrupt with terrible abuse of various kinds these days.

These institutions have been deliberately corrupted by masonic minions and wiccan hags to further their overall agenda.

So you’re condemning every single care home that exists as hotbeds of satanic activity? Have I got that right? Do you have personal knowledge of Masonic or Wiccan activity within them or are you once again just casting slanderous aspersions and you don’t care who you hit? I am not denying abuse does not happen because it does, because some people are just vicious and evil and take advantage of being with vulnerable people. There is no evidence, except in your own mind, of this being deliberately organized by outside groups of people. Every now and again one of these care homes will appear in the news because of hateful activity but you forget the thousands of homes that never get mentioned because they are well run.

Because we sometimes hear of teachers who abuse children, physically or sexually, does that mean that all teachers are in some secret society dedicated to the perversion and overthrow of society. By your reasoning it must do, so that includes you as well. You probably have some ulterior motive in teaching?

You probably think I’m insulted by being called a Wiccan hag? (although I detect some misogyny there). I’m not, since the Hag is the fourth face of the Goddess. By the way, do you have written details of the “overall agenda” of Wiccans and exactly how it is put into practice? I’d love to see it.

Lady Queensborough

Occult Theocrasy

These are the words of Italian Illuminati masons.

Quote:
ADRIANO LEMMI 283

Measures are to be taken to counteract the work of the
institutions known as " OEuvres Pies " (Charitable Works)
which were founded by Clericalism to corrupt the people
under the misnomer of Charity. The morals of the country
thus endangered need reforming as well as the laws.

" If a prelate, or bishop, arrive in a province from
Rome, to celebrate or officiate at some public function,
it is necessary at once to become acquainted with his
character, his antecedents, his temperament, his defects
— especially his defects. If he should be our enemy —
an Albani, a Pallotta, a Bernetti, a Delia Genga, a Rivarola
— at once trap him, entangle him in all the nets
and snares you can.

Give him a character which must
horrify the young people and the women ; describe
him as cruel, heartless, and bloodthirsty ; relate some
atrocious transaction which will easily cause a sensation
amongst the people. The foreign newspapers will
learn and copy these facts, which they will know how
to embellish and colour according to their usual style

Why quote from this book of all books? A book written in the 30’s by a member of the aristocracy who had no personal knowledge of anything occult. She consulted hundreds of books and just copied down what she thought would be useful to prove her point.

Here are two reviews of the book:

”Occult Theocrasy relies heavily on the published works of self-described 33° freemason, Domenico Margiotta; the hoaxers Dr. Karl Hacks and Leo Taxil and their creations, Diana Vaughan and Dr. Bataille;3. the imaginary Miss. Vaughan’s promoter, Adriano Lemmi; anti-mason, Samuel Paul Rosen (1840-1907), theosophist, Alice Bailey (1880-1949); Taxil’s supporter, Clarin de la Rive; antisemite, Nesta H. Webster and the once anonymous "Inquire Within".4. “

and


“This book traces the origin of conspiracy to the start of the human race. It shows that there is a group of satanic priests ie, occult theocrasy who run the world and gain power by the worship of the devil. The book shows how even criminal syndicates such as the mafia are all part of this conspiracy. It also gives information on how secret societies are all part of this network. This book gives some incredible information. But if the bible is to be taken as the truth, which it is, then we know that the devil rules the world through human agencies. A very well written and excellent book. ”

Hmm…which review to believe…:rolleyes:

Her chapter on Egypt was hilariously wrong showing she understood not one jot about Egyptian religion or history. If she had consulted scholars or even gone to the British Museum I could have respected her more but no, she just copied the info out of a book. Similarly bad was her description of Druid rites of which one gem was:

”The altar upon which the ritual desecration of virginity obligatory for initiation into the phallic cult took place.”

I always find it strangely disturbing that Christian authors so love to describe the deflowering of virgins in some pagan rite. You can almost see their mouths watering as they contemplate such a forbidden delight.

I see that you have not addressed any of the points in my previous post, which is par for the course since you don’t seem to like facts.