Death

[chappel]

I've pretty much watched every video of David Icke the internet has to offer, and I've read parts of his book. I'd just like to hear some peoples opinion on death, because Icke says theres no such thing as death but what happens when we "die"? I'd really love to see a loved one again that I lost earlier this year but I think to myself how can I see a loved one again when I die when both of our physical bodies are gone, we no longer have eyes to see. Icke talks about going to another freqeuncy range ect. Do we stay as the people we were on earth in a different place in the matrix? Do we live as another person on earth? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts because I dont know what to think.

[zigzagz]

Have you seen the Spiritworld video?(you can buy it off of the site or you can download it for free using bit torrents). Also Michael Newton a hypnotherapist has two books about what people say when he hypnotizes them, regresses them to their last "death" and asks them what the rebirth process is like they are interesting....Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. Another possibility is that we are experiencing the 3rd dimension and at the end of the experience maybe we get to experience the higher dimensions. for more about dimensions this little animation helps http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php)
I do know from 2 near death experiences of my own that it doesn't hurt at all it feels really good the last one I had(I was like 18 or 19 going through a phaze and accidently overdosed on extacy it was purer than we all thought oops) I looked around saw the stars even though I was indoors then looked down and saw my body lying there I realized I was dead and it wasn't like a bad realization because I didn't want the experience to end but this guy yelled at me and it like startled me back into my body, the first time(I was trapped under a canoe with a life jacket on and my parents and their friends were all drunk trying to pull the canoe off but it was stuck) I was only like 9 or so and it felt like I left my body, turned my back towards the force that was pulling me, and felt like I was going to sleep for a long flight.

[_underscore_]

Now, keep in mind this is just a little theory that _underscore_ has on death. _underscore_ believes that when a motherfucker (or fatherfucker, or even somebody who has never fucked) dies, they return to the universal consciousness that most religions refer to as god. After a short or long while (how would _underscore_ know) the soul is reincarnated on Earth, or perhaps elsewhere in this physical universe, or on a higher plane (vibration) of existence. Just a small overview of an incomplete theory.

[earthseed]

I'd read Robert Monroe's work I don't think there is anything so detailed out there as it. It's not pretty though just a warning.

[cheesedanish]

Good question Chappel ... shew no-one has lived to tell the tale? ha ha,
well seriously I think the same as _underscore_'s theory. I think we get
enveloped in overwhelming Love and go back the Source of all Life.

I think there is a point - of death - where we don't feel any pain.

I do think we see people we knew and I think we have All Knowledge
Of All things and all mysteries of the Universe are revealed.

I think we float around in no time and no space as there is no
concept of time or space - if you know what I mean?

Well it's scares me ... but yet I know it will be nothing to fear?

Like someone's signature says : I want to go the same way I arrived
- kicking and screaming - covered with blood. (something like that)

I do believe we can choose to return - to the earth plane - as I think its Brian's Ferry said :

"More than this (life on earth) ... you know there's NOTHING."

[cheesedanish]

You might want to check out ...

http://www.towardthelight.org/

and


Toward the light (http://www.towardthelight.org/davidicke.html)
Listen to the archived show with David Icke

[yeiayel]

I don't belive in death. I agree with Icke and other authors about when they say that when we die we go to another frequency range. Aut of body experience can help me to go over the fear of death.
When our body is gone, i think we have another body and there is another
setting.
Here in Italy there are many books that speak about "meta-psicology.
I think we have another eyes in another dimension and another body.
I don't think we go to another place of the matrix. ( I think Matrix voluntarily
developed by others on the earth). But I think if someone on earth belive in every aspects
of the matrix, we will go to another "mirror" matrix in another frequency.(but this time with no one to controll the matrix). But I think we can understand and free ourselves.

[chappel]

Thanks for the replies guys. I used to think when you die you just dont exist anymore but after all the conspiracy research and stuff I've started to think differently. My Dad suicided because he was in constant debt and nothing was going good for him ( car kept breaking down ect) and me and him were really close, and it just kills me the thought of never seeing or communicating with him again because I didn't want it to end the way it did.

[mada88]

Consider having a Lucid dream you will be able to see your lost loved one there :D

[chappel]

I've only had probably 1 lucid dream that I remember. Whats the best way to have a lucid dream?

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

"they return to the universal consciousness that most religions refer to as god. After a short or long while (how would _underscore_ know) the soul is reincarnated on Earth, or perhaps elsewhere in this physical universe, or on a higher plane (vibration) of existence. Just a small overview of an incomplete theory."

bingo. immortality is also an option (spiritual and physical), that's in the "instead of death" pile

[yeiayel]

I've only had probably 1 lucid dream that I remember. Whats the best way to have a lucid dream?

Ha Ha, interesting: what the best way to have a lucid dream?
I'm able in lucid dreams. I don't make joke of you, but when i eat
potato chips (that you can find in a Mc Donald) I have very good Lucid dreams sometimes.
But this is not my best way to have lucid dreams. My best way is to do a meditation that consist in watching to a flame of a candle for about 40 min at about 10-15 cm from my eyes in the dark. I do this meditation day after day and sometimes i had lucid dream that are as real life. I think everyone must find his system to have lucid dreams. Listen to the heart before sleep (an hand on the heart 20-30min listening the heart) is another best way to have Lucid dreams. The heart is the way to the dream, to remember the dreams. So, the best way for me are to develop the 6° chakra and the
4°chakra.
6° using a candle and 4° listening to the heart.

[infinitely free]

I've pretty much watched every video of David Icke the internet has to offer, and I've read parts of his book. I'd just like to hear some peoples opinion on death, because Icke says theres no such thing as death but what happens when we "die"? I'd really love to see a loved one again that I lost earlier this year but I think to myself how can I see a loved one again when I die when both of our physical bodies are gone, we no longer have eyes to see. Icke talks about going to another freqeuncy range ect. Do we stay as the people we were on earth in a different place in the matrix? Do we live as another person on earth? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts because I dont know what to think.

Hi chappel,
how'ya doin?!

My modest opinion is:

the so-called death, is a type of a 'reality-switch'. So, when you 'die', the actual reality, you are in changes...
I strongly recommend you (if you've not done so already) check out Icke's books, to see what 'reality' is... :)

Anyway - at this stage, we can't be sure, what this other 'reality(ies)' is/are, but after all the 'reality' possibilities are infinite.
However, if the person was close to you, during their 'life', then the chances are that there is still a strong mental relation, between that person and you

The only obstacle is, that we haven't (yet) found out, how to switch, between 'realities', without us 'dying'!

The problem, with 'dying' is the that current Matrix, wouldn't allow us, to 'come back to life'!
We all need to deprogramme ourselves - this must be the key!

Hope this helps...

IF

[mada88]

Try this website it has loads of ways to have more lucid dreams. I'm trying the mp3 downloads http://www.dreamviews.com/community/archive/index.php/f-44.html

[tejas]

If you awaken or become enlightened in this life THEN you go to the universal consciousness. If ure not then u get stuck somehwere else!

But when you die, whatever religious beliefs you had about the world, life , universe manifest. Hence a hindu sees krishna, a buddhist sees buddah and a christian sees jesus.

This is because it is all a trap :)

[mada88]

The thing is about NDE is that the heart may stop yes but the brain doesn't die straight away (is it 12 minutes before the brain dies?) Instead you have a DMT trip as the brains pumps mass amounts of it and that is said to be like going into another dimension. I guess I need to go and buy that book on NDE and DMT.

[julieray]

I once knew a man who claimed to speak to God, and no he wasn't crazy either, a little excentric perhaps, but a lovely person all the same. He described the spirit world as having 7 dimensions and that we are on the bottom, but when we cross over, we judge ourselves to see where on the scale we are to be placed, for instance, we may have learnt alot in this life time so we slot ourselves into the 6th or 7th dimension, where we live with others, similar to as we are now. We can travel down, but we cannot travel up, so we can progress by travelling down to help those on the lower dimensions to grow in order that they may too, may be able to slot themselves higher up the rung. This can go on and on for ever, but then at some point, we may decide that we want to progress even higher and then decide to incarnate back on earth in order to learn other valuable lessons. This then is the cycle and eventually, we will all return to the One God of First Source, which is where we originated. If you look at it in simple terms we are all just trying to get back home!!:)

I have also read a few books on near death experiences and they are all basically the same experience, there is no pain and you still feel exactly the same, with the same personality. Some want to stay because it is so beautiful, but have to come back, some have a choice to stay or come back and some come back because they don't want to leave their children, for example.

My friend has also read a book about life before life, which explains that when you are in the spirit world, we choose what lessons we want to experience and learn from, who our parents will be and who will be the ones making the difference in our lives. So if, in the physical world someone really gets your back up, you may have agreed with them in spirit that you need to learn to be more tolerant.

I am a spiritualist and have been for about 5 years and I must say it is the most enlightening and spiritually uplifting experience ever. The love and compassion from those in spirit is unconditional and are there to help us in our journeys here on earth. I think the saying is true when you hear people say, that if we knew the whole truth about the afterlife, there would be mass suicide here on earth. It is comforting knowing that there is a fantastic place waiting for us when we do go.:)

[revolutionary_jam]

my personal opinion is that you create your own reality :- your thoughts and even more so your emotions affect what happens to you, but the denser the vibrational field you inhabit the greater the energy required to bring things about and the greater the time lag,

thats why in our lives in this (very dense) reality when we've been in a really down mood more bad things seem to happen and when we're feeling positive more good things crop up! (and also why it's so important to keep remembering what it feels like to be happy whenever you're down)

Once you leave the physical body you inhabit a somewhat less dense vibrational field (how much less dense I don't know) so your thoughts and emotions will have a much greater and immediate impact, if you're really fearful you'll be prey to tonnes of nasty frightening energies just waiting to be attracted to you.... if you've got a very peaceful loving feelign you'll atract very peaceful and loving energies into your consciousness

[julieray]

my personal opinion is that you create your own reality :- your thoughts and even more so your emotions affect what happens to you, but the denser the vibrational field you inhabit the greater the energy required to bring things about and the greater the time lag,

thats why in our lives in this (very dense) reality when we've been in a really down mood more bad things seem to happen and when we're feeling positive more good things crop up! (and also why it's so important to keep remembering what it feels like to be happy whenever you're down)

Once you leave the physical body you inhabit a somewhat less dense vibrational field (how much less dense I don't know) so your thoughts and emotions will have a much greater and immediate impact, if you're really fearful you'll be prey to tonnes of nasty frightening energies just waiting to be attracted to you.... if you've got a very peaceful loving feelign you'll atract very peaceful and loving energies into your consciousness

So are you saying that those who have a peaceful death have a peaceful consciousness and that those poor individuals who have been torchured and murdered will end up with a negative consciousness??? That doesn't sound like a very nice reality to me. I think that once you pass the point of no return - ie. certain death, that your consciousness is released anyway and you travel into the next plane of existence, where, once you become accustomed to where you are, you will realise that you are back where you started and can then continue as you were before, whatever that was.

[revolutionary_jam]

So are you saying that those who have a peaceful death have a peaceful consciousness and that those poor individuals who have been torchured and murdered will end up with a negative consciousness??? That doesn't sound like a very nice reality to me.

Unfortunately as nasty and unfair as it sounds I think it's true

if you have a horrendous death it's harder to escape, thats another way of the illuminati trapping people's consciousness with their wars and attacks on our health etc. etc. etc.

Stuart Wilde touches on this subject a bit in his writings,

just because something doesn't sound like a very nice reality doesn't make it less likely, just like the paedophile rigns and things like that, it doesn't sound like a very nice reality to me but unforunately they exist :\ for the time being anyway x

[julieray]

Unfortunately as nasty and unfair as it sounds I think it's true

if you have a horrendous death it's harder to escape, thats another way of the illuminati trapping people's consciousness with their wars and attacks on our health etc. etc. etc.

Stuart Wilde touches on this subject a bit in his writings,

just because something doesn't sound like a very nice reality doesn't make it less likely, just like the paedophile rigns and things like that, it doesn't sound like a very nice reality to me but unforunately they exist :\ for the time being anyway x

I am not so sure you are right. What about mediums that have contacted spirit who have been involved in accidents etc. that were traumatic at the time, once they cross over, they are always confirming how they are now happy and at peace and more importantly whole again. The spirit cannot be destroyed and we have had many, many existences before and at some point I am sure we have experienced being murders as well as being murdered, but we have hopefully learnt from those past lives. It is all about the progression of our soul on it's journey home.

If you believe that we have all been born from God/God Consciousness/An energy of first source for example. Then surely everything that has happened will all go back eventually. Therefore, even the most evil of individuals will eventually find their way back home, it will just take them longer. I feel that the more horrendous the physical life, the higher up the spirit will progress. That makes me feel happier.:)

[revolutionary_jam]

you don't have to be sure I'm right becuase of course it's my opinion and you're as entitled to yours,

but I would reitterate that as I said, in a less dense vibrational field you attract things quicker so it would take less time to "turn things around" from negative to positive or vice versa. Usually, like in life, we find more effective ways of doing things by trial and error. x :)

[lenejento]

I've pretty much watched every video of David Icke the internet has to offer, and I've read parts of his book. I'd just like to hear some peoples opinion on death, because Icke says theres no such thing as death but what happens when we "die"? I'd really love to see a loved one again that I lost earlier this year but I think to myself how can I see a loved one again when I die when both of our physical bodies are gone, we no longer have eyes to see. Icke talks about going to another freqeuncy range ect. Do we stay as the people we were on earth in a different place in the matrix? Do we live as another person on earth? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts because I dont know what to think.

I think David wrote in one book (was it Infinite Love?) that people go to different heavens according to their belief, he said there's a muslim heaven, a christian heaven, and their all within the matrix, basicly belief creates is what he said. I guess if you didn't have any beliefs (enlightened) you'd just experience yourself as pure consciousness again but I guess we can never really know how it feels like untill it happens, and what your experience after death would be, wouldn't it spoil the suprise to know all the details? But you can with your intuition know that you can not die, so there will be no fear of death.

[mada88]

We live around dead things! we live in death! by that I mean you have wood and plastic in your house right? dead trees and animals and plants (food) Tis this not death then?
But then again you can't destroy the real stuff things are made out of energy.

[julieray]

I have been trying to find a link I read recently but I can't find it at the moment, but it was on BriansPrediction.com. He gave a very clear description of death which sounded very plausible to me. I can't remember the exact time, but lets say, for arguments sake that it takes us 14 minutes to actually die, well during that time, we can go to either heaven or hell, depending upon our mindset, but that does not mean that that is where we stay after that. From then on, we go back home.

A little story my Mum once told me which I think is beautiful was of a little girl who was dying. My Mum was a home carer and the old lady she looked after was in her 90s it was her daughter that died and she was only 2 or 3. Her Mum had gone to visit her in hospital and all of a sudden the little girl told her Mum that there were Angels standing at the bottom of her bed. Of course the Mum couldn't see a thing, but commented on how beautiful they all were. The little girl then explained to her Mum that the Angels wanted to take her with them. She told her Mum that she was going with the Angels because they wanted her to go with them, she said her goodbyes and died straight away.

If that doesn't give us all faith in the Afterlife, nothing will. :)

[infinitely free]

Immortality is an option!

'Dr. Mitchell Gibson watched hospital visitors and patients 'walk through' deceased patients loitering in the hospital hallways weeks after their deaths, leading him on a journey few will ever experience. He was shown the essential nature of The Living Soul and how we can choose to become immortal, if we believe it's possible.'


http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mgibson.htm

And check out some "reality" aspects - here (http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/8/29/46/)

[julieray]

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mgibson.htm

And check out some "reality" aspects - here (http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/8/29/46/)

I enjoyed that link thank you! I was particularly concerned though with those 1000 people questioned that the majority did not think that they had lived good enough lives to go to heaven. Too much processed food has affected their brains by the sounds of it! Now I know why those poor Tibetan Monks are being persecuted too!!:(