Weed: The Truth That ATS wouldn't let me share!

[childofthetao]

OK here what's happening with weed, I lost my account on abovetopsecret for making this post over their. MY account was not simply deleted, they can't ban me unless they have a good reason, my account has been sabotaged and whenever I try to log in I am not allowed to access ANY single part of the site. It is a disinfo site and I am glad I can no longer absorb the censored crap over there.

"They" want as many people smoking weed as possible. They do this by popularizing it, putting in music (there are LOTS of songs that are JUST about smoking weed) and on TV. What this does is it makes practically everyone who wants to smoke it (and everyone who is influenced to want to smoke it) start smoking it despite it being illegal. This means that if it was legalized, the increase in smokers would be minimal (making legalization unnecessary).

They, however do not want it legalized (there's no need to legalize it, they have the max amount of smokers practically). They want people to accept into their lives conflict with the police, a seed they want to nurture into something more. They are making us accept and get used to being at "war" with the police. They create a divide between us. This is just as they want it.

Now there is something specific about weed, something very bad. It wasn't always as bad, in the past weed wasn't as potent, but it has been increased for their purpose. When one is high, the subconscious mind is MUCH more open to suggestion. As you know, through TV, adverts, NLP, they try their best to manipulate and control us through our subconscious.

You see how smart they are? Getting the maximum amount of users of an illegal substance through brain washing?

Now there is a good side to this. As many who work with their subconscious for personal growth may already have realized, a more suggestive subconscious can be a useful tool. Here's an example: I use EFT but using it on oneself for past memories can be difficult especially when one has "emotional burnout" like me, it is always hard to use EFT on oneself due to the inability to perceive oneself objectively. Anyway when high, I can simply say "subconscious mind, show me a memory that is having a negative effect on me now, that I can use EFT to heal it." And viola, a memory will play.

I personally don't advocate the use of weed for this purpose, better results can be achieved through attaining a nice deep level of trance and then communication with the deeper mind. Having weed in your system can easily interfere with EFT (and your energy body or internal energy) causing it to not work.

I hope I have managed to get across that watching TV or listening to radio (or listening/letting in ANY of THEIR shite) while high is very dangerous, and very bad for the soul, MUCH more so than while sober.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[fairyelfdog]

Thank you, Child. I believe you. I have been thinking similar things about that drug too: that it is being used as a tool by the Illuminati. Though I had not gone as deep in the pondering as you have. It makes sense. I have never been interested in any drug you have to smoke because of the adverse effect on the lungs. I also think weed is a part of the agenda to destroy our health, dumb down the population and make us servile and passive... love our servitude.

[let it shine]

you are totally correct. their defense will be: "it's a natural plant! it's healthy for those with chronic pain and macular degeneration! george washington grew it on his plantation!" but it has the potential to be so harmful to the mind and spirit if you are unaware of how to guard those aspects of yourself...

[metacomet]

Hmm I think you are right about it opening the subconscious.

Unlike many people who smoke herb - I don't have a problem admitting to the downsides. Potheads are lazy and if they are smoking everyday and doing nothing but playing videogames or watching tv - their life force becomes less and less. Pot causes alot of people to be fuzzed out spiritually and mentally and regardless of whether it is technically 'harmful' or not... they need to admit to the consequences of using it all the time.

They also need to admit that their use of cannabis can be used against them if they are getting stuck in lifestyles which are designed for them...

For instance anyone who is smoking pot all day, watching tv, playing videogames, getting no exercise, eating fast food or junk food exclusively - staying indoors all day etc. - these people are not harming anyone but themself and whether they know it or not they have fallen into a lifestyle designed to erode their spirit - and pot can be used to bait them into that situation.

[george tatum]

I don't smoke weed anymore. Whilst it can enhance one's creativity and perception in certain areas, it has some VERY bad side effects that outweigh the positive elements.

I get by without it.

As far as the powers-that-be go, they are swinging back and forth about this drug so much that I don't think they have the faintest idea what to do about it. A friend of mine was placed in a government lab experiment and asked to smoke pot at various times of the day for the purposes of research. Needless to say he signed up immediately. That was roughly 10 years ago and it still isn't legal.

'They' haven't got a clue.

One thing is for sure though. 'They' definitely aren't smoking it. That's why 'they' are running things and the anarchists are sat at home looking at the David Icke website. Weed makes you very lethargic if you let it.

[supertzar]

I disagree with just about everything posted so far. It's everywhere because a huge portion of humanity loves Cannabis. Rightly so. It is our best friend in the plant world by far. Name one plant that has the incredible scope of benefits as "weed." It's not a weed anyway. It is the oldest cultivated plant we know of and presumably the most cultivated of all time.

[konnster]

I disagree with just about everything posted so far. It's everywhere because a huge portion of humanity loves Cannabis. Rightly so. It is our best friend in the plant world by far. Name one plant that has the incredible scope of benefits as "weed." It's not a weed anyway. It is the oldest cultivated plant we know of and presumably the most cultivated of all time.

I agree with you, on the other hand weed can get out of hand and of course many people create there own problems smoking to much weed but nobody should force anybody to smoke it or not smoke it...we should have the freedom to make our own choices and cannabis should be celebrated and used for our benefit like mankind once did.

people who fall into lazy lifestyles are not just cannabisusers and I think drinking alcohol is far worse.

[dsl22]

The Illuminati hates weed. It is an intellectual stimulant.

[childofthetao]

The illuminati certainly do not hate an intelligent person whose subconscious is extremely susceptible, that just means they control his perception, while he would never in a million years know he is controlled.

posted by george "As far as the powers-that-be go, they are swinging back and forth about this drug so much that I don't think they have the faintest idea what to do about it. A friend of mine was placed in a government lab experiment and asked to smoke pot at various times of the day for the purposes of research. Needless to say he signed up immediately. That was roughly 10 years ago and it still isn't legal."

THey know exactly what they are doing, they are brewing confilct, they need the public and police seperated, not united. What did they do when weed reached it's peak in popularity? They made it more illegal, they know exactly what they are doing.

Weed in my opinion is MEDICINE! You take medicine to medicate a problem, if you take medicine and you don't have a problem you are abusing that medicine. People who smoke weed or take any drug for a purpose other than medicating a problem are medicating themselves.

Some try weed and like it, that's because some "problem" they have has been medicated, and now they can experience life without some "pain" that was always present in the background. Some try it and it doesn't medicated anything for them and so they don't like it, because the effect is only beneficial (and so enjoyable) if some pain/problem is medicated.

People who go out and get drunk are medicating problems they would rather not face, if they quit alcohol and filling there lives with things that make them happy they wouldn't need to medicate themselves into oblivion so they don;t have to deal with it or even with themselves.

So by realizing all this I instantly (well, fairly instantly :P) put down the weed and said to myself "I will get over enjoying weed, by solving the problem I am medicating, when this is done I will not enjoy being high, I will enjoy being sober more than I do now because my soul will be healed".

But I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just passing on information (I'd be an arse if I didn't wouldn't I :P)

And there is no need to take my word for it increasing suggestibility, look at all the tests that I just found by typing "marijuana cannabis suggestibility" into google: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marijuana+cannabis+suggestibility&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Peace
Child of the Tao

[astrochicken]

I think one has to differentiate between genetically modified "nederweed" grown with hormones and artificial lights indoors, and the *real* stuff that has soaked up several months worth of cosmic rays and sunlight.


I don't like the state of mind that the former induces.. if i want a trippy high then i'll eat mushrooms, i certainly don't want to sit around like a vegetable after smoking grass. That is the reason why i stopped smoking about 10 years ago.. now i just grow my own.

[disorder2k8]

I smoke all the time, I dont watch Tv and I'm stubborn as a mule and more objectionable then ever before.

Weed does not brainwash me into anything.

[cryst4l]

Ah, the old weed debate :)

The plant has been around for many years and has been used by many people. We have been brainwashed into thinking it is bad, and it is, unless it is grown naturally without the use of UV lighting and chemically enhanced.

Also, I am in total agreement it breeds laziness, but why is that, are we all moving around in our own little worlds at a pace (rat run) that is unatural for us as people, maybe. Not that I am condoning people that sit on their backside's 24/7 smoking and doing nothing other than watching TV and playing video games. :)

[supertzar]

I think one has to differentiate between genetically modified "nederweed" grown with hormones and artificial lights indoors, and the *real* stuff that has soaked up several months worth of cosmic rays and sunlight.


I don't like the state of mind that the former induces.. if i want a trippy high then i'll eat mushrooms, i certainly don't want to sit around like a vegetable after smoking grass. That is the reason why i stopped smoking about 10 years ago.. now i just grow my own.

There are no known GM strains and very, very few people use hormones to grow plants except for a few people who attempt to influence the sex of plants by adding birth control pills in the early stages of the plant's life. Most people are highly unlikely to ever encounter plants grown like that in their life. I'll challenge that "GM" claim every time I see it because it is plain wrong. Breeding is not GM. If you are going to say that, then you are saying every heirloom tomato is "GM."

[ytch]

Seriously, I won´t fight the fact that hammers can be used in a good constructive way and therefor supporting to our society,

but hundreds of innocent people got killed or injured or left with severe braindamages by hammers !

So ban them, ban them all!

Don´t believe tptb that wants to sell it to you AND YOUR KIDS!
Hooking them on plastic- "toy"- hammers as soon as they are able to hold things!
And all the reversed psychology, "Don´t hit any person with hit!",

And all the brainwash in the media or in songs like
"I need a hammer"
"Hit me with that rythym- stick"
"Hammer of the holy"
"Ham- Sandwiches for everybody"
and of course the infamous
"Hammer Hammer, woolle- vous les" by DJ Dummbatz!!!

HAH, I´m looking through your evil scam!

Death to the hammer- headed wood- sticks !


Love & Laughter
and a hammerless future to all of you!

ytch

P.S.: Quote: If you think that drugs are bad, go home,
take all your tapes, records and CDs and
BURN THEM!

[skunksmash]

well...if this is true why is it becoming increasingly hard to track down decent gear..?? & when you do the weight has dropped & the price is through the roof..??? :(

[truedruid]

OK here what's happening with weed, I lost my account on abovetopsecret for making this post over their. MY account was not simply deleted, they can't ban me unless they have a good reason, my account has been sabotaged and whenever I try to log in I am not allowed to access ANY single part of the siteI think the government are onto you!
Lets get this right, what you are saying is the government have made cannabis illegal so that they are guaranteed the public smoke it, arrest me fuck my life up so they can brainwash me on the telly to do what?
And they make me smoke it so I won't go to war drop out of society so they can brainwash me.
Why would they do that?

[truedruid]

well...if this is true why is it becoming increasingly hard to track down decent gear..?? & when you do the weight has dropped & the price is through the roof..??? so they can brainwash you on the telly, I had a smoke the other night and before I watch telly I hated Gordon Brown, now I love him. I am going to wear tin foil on my head next time I smoke.

[stompk]

I believe they don't like weed because it blocks some of their mind control chemicals.

Have you ever noticed how few non-weed smokers question the government?

Maybe it blocks the flouride, or what ever is in the Chemtrails, I don't know.

But, that is my theory.

[octopusrex]

YES! It is actually the Queen Mother's plan for total world and universal dominion. You see, weed users, over time, become weed-symbioants. Then, their minds become 'merged' with the absolute weed-mind, a kind of plant-consciousness that makes you...

Nice.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[skunksmash]

YES! It is actually the Queen Mother's plan for total world and universal dominion. You see, weed users, over time, become weed-symbioants. Then, their minds become 'merged' with the absolute weed-mind, a kind of plant-consciousness that makes you...

Nice.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

i merged with the ''Absolute weed-mind'' back in Amsterdam / 97

ive never been able to disconnect myself from the Hive since...:D

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[metacomet]

Have you ever noticed how few non-weed smokers question the government?


Honestly, I think people need to stop giving credit to pot for this.

If the government tells you not to do something, and tells you that it's bad to do something -

and you do that thing, and find that it is not bad, and also find that your door is not kicked down by the police -

By default you develop distrust in the government, because the government lied to you. Not only that, the government said something was illegal - and after doing it - you were not 'caught' or arrested... therefore your fear of government is reduced.

This is what happens with pot.

It's just a very small catalyst to being aware of the government - by realizing that the war on drugs is wrong. Beyond that, an individual has to develop their own sense of things. Pot never did it for them.

[childofthetao]

I smoke all the time, I dont watch Tv and I'm stubborn as a mule and more objectionable then ever before.

Weed does not brainwash me into anything.

Good, because your not watching TV.


By truedruid: "Lets get this right, what you are saying is the government have made cannabis illegal so that they are guaranteed the public smoke it, arrest me fuck my life up so they can brainwash me on the telly to do what?
And they make me smoke it so I won't go to war drop out of society so they can brainwash me.
Why would they do that? "

No, they didn't make it illegal to guarantee pople would smoke it, they popularized it through TV and music, to get as many people smoking as possible, not get everyone smoking it, there's no way they could do that so they gave it their best attempt, to get as many as possible smoking it, knowing that a small percentage of that group would NOT be watching TV or allowing themselves to be brainwashed, but they aren't bothered about them.

They made it illegal, for whatever reason in the past, and now because they are popularizing it, it causes more tension between public and police, especially since it was upped to class B, this is slowly allowing police control creep closer into peoples lives.

By stompk:"I believe they don't like weed because it blocks some of their mind control chemicals."

I have to disagree with that, that's just not how things look to me.

By stompk:"Have you ever noticed how few non-weed smokers question the government?"

I'm afraid I can't reply to this statement stompk, I have absolutely no idea what the ratio of smokers to non-smokers in this group of people.

By stompk:"Maybe it blocks the flouride, or what ever is in the Chemtrails, I don't know.

But, that is my theory. "

Well, I have tried to find information about the molecular structure of flouride and information like that but can't (would I even understand it if I did?) so I have go with what I know.

And that is fluoride dumbs you down, or makes you passive, to me that would indicate that the electrical aspect of our bodies (the speed and ease of conductivity through the water in the body) is somehow impeded. Pure water would give best quality and strength of electrical flow, and the culmination of this electrical flow is what we experience as every aspect of our senses/mind/consciousness/reality.

Now if there was something in that water that impeded the electricity, weakens the charge, the spark of life, we would be dumbed down, passive sheep.

I don't see how weed would remove that or counter it.

As for chemtrails I believe they are putting something into our atmosphere (something harmless in it's own right) that filters the sunlight. You're familiar with the term sky blue right? A nice light blue. Well apparently the sky hasn't always been like that, before plane fumes were filling the sky, sky blue was a deep blue.

But what's the point you ask? We get vitamin D from the sun, and vitamin D plays such a large part of keeping our immune system in perfect working order that it practically is our immune system.

Now why would they want to weaken our immune system I wonder ;)

Peace
Child of the Tao

[octopusrex]

i merged with the ''Absolute weed-mind'' back in Amsterdam / 97

ive never been able to disconnect myself from the Hive since...:D

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z209/mrsdarthvader/ObamaBorg.jpg

MECCA!!!

All Bow Down to the Great Dam!

[majorlee]

Hmm I think you are right about it opening the subconscious.

Unlike many people who smoke herb - I don't have a problem admitting to the downsides. Potheads are lazy and if they are smoking everyday and doing nothing but playing videogames or watching tv - their life force becomes less and less. Pot causes alot of people to be fuzzed out spiritually and mentally and regardless of whether it is technically 'harmful' or not... they need to admit to the consequences of using it all the time.

They also need to admit that their use of cannabis can be used against them if they are getting stuck in lifestyles which are designed for them...

For instance anyone who is smoking pot all day, watching tv, playing videogames, getting no exercise, eating fast food or junk food exclusively - staying indoors all day etc. - these people are not harming anyone but themself and whether they know it or not they have fallen into a lifestyle designed to erode their spirit - and pot can be used to bait them into that situation.

i do that and dont smoke pot - much cheaper!


drug laws are fucked up money making scam for the prison system, no drugs = no prisons


cannabis has been altered due to its lack of availabiltiy ie legal - so now its turned into a beast of its own :(

the end results are our fault for not changing things dont blame others

[zenith82]

I'm a mother of four, I don't watch t.v, I don't listen to the radio, I don't read newspapers, I don't play video games, I am active, healthy and spend a great deal of my time walking in the hills or climbing mountains, I'm not lazy in the slightest in fact I have a hard time keeping still, and nobody would ever describe me as passive, and they would be even less likely to describe me as being spiritually detatched, I interpret dreams, give intuitive readings and have prophetic dreams on a regular basis. I SMOKE WEED! I'm not suggestable, and have never been a "sheep" I'd feel that the opposite of what you have stated is true, weed and anything else that easily alters the consciousness of a person and takes them outside the "box" that "they" are so keen to keep us all in is bastardised to prevent it's use. The most open-minded, on the ball, perceptive people I know smoke weed. I'm not stoned all day everyday and I do know some people who end up so laid-back they are practically unconscious but they are few and far between.

[zenith82]

There was a poll done on how many members here smoked weed that might be of interest to the OP.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80119&highlight=smoke+weed

doesn't do much for the theory that it dumbs people down and makes them suggestable. You wouldn't find such a high percentage being anti-establishment if this was the case.

[thetonic]

I believe they don't like weed because it blocks some of their mind control chemicals.

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Actually , its quite the opposite and the original poster is almost spot on

Marijuana ,especially the advanced strains they have developed, opens up your psyche and your subconscious to manipulation. They want as many people smoking as possible which is very easy to do if you understand the human mind the way they do...

First make it illegal , then distribute all kinds of litereature about the health 'benefits' to smoking (to people with chonic illness may be true) and popularize it in counterculture make it a 'hip' thing to do

What youve done is activated the human bi polar mind mechanism which will naturally do what its told not to do. You all are being so duped you just cant percieve it , im sorry

.. the rest as they say is history

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[thetonic]

Good thread by the way OP!

More proof that ATS is a C.I.A funded operation (as if we really need more proof!)

[supertzar]

Actually , its quite the opposite and the original poster is almost spot on

Marijuana ,especially the advanced strains they have developed, opens up your psyche and your subconscious to manipulation. They want as many people smoking as possible which is very easy to do if you understand the human mind the way they do...

First make it illegal , then distribute all kinds of litereature about the health 'benefits' to smoking (to people with chonic illness may be true) and popularize it in counterculture make it a 'hip' thing to do

What youve done is activated the human bi polar mind mechanism which will naturally do what its told not to do. You all are being so duped you just cant percieve it , im sorry

.. the rest as they say is history



People smoke because it is great to be high, not because they are tricked into it with reverse psychology. No other plant in the whole history of the world has been so closely associated with humanity. If you disagree, tell me what other plant has more history with us.

The movement to educate people about the benefits (no need to use quotes or qualify it in any way) of Cannabis sativa perseveres in spite of brutal suppression of science by the government. Do you realize they destroyed as much existing scientific research on Cannabis as possible during the Reagan years? Scientific data. Much of it presumably on medical uses.

[thetonic]

People smoke because it is great to be high, not because they are tricked into it with reverse psychology. No other plant in the whole history of the world has been so closely associated with humanity. If you disagree, tell me what other plant has more history with us.

The movement to educate people about the benefits (no need to use quotes or qualify it in any way) of Cannabis sativa perseveres in spite of brutal suppression of science by the government. Do you realize they destroyed as much existing scientific research on Cannabis as possible during the Reagan years? Scientific data. Much of it presumably on medical uses.

sure buddy ... I dont have time to argue hearsay with you like 'they destroyed the evidence during Reagan!" or " humans have always been gittin high on it"

Im telling you what I have observed through personal experience and understanding of the deeper spiritual significance to what this means to people in the illuminati

take it or leave it

[supertzar]

sure buddy ... I dont have time to argue hearsay with you like 'they destroyed the evidence during Reagan!" or " humans have always been gittin high on it"

Im telling you what I have observed through personal experience and understanding of the deeper spiritual significance to what this means to people in the illuminati

take it or leave it

I'll leave it. I don't know if you know, but Cannabis research has been banned since '76. They did try to get universities to destroy existing research also. It's not hearsay. Research it yourself.

I don't think your idea is that great. Lol. That is what I am telling you. Those movies and shows appeal to a lot of people who love smoking and watching TV while they do it. It's popular to make pot shows because people love their herb. Do I know for a fact that every faction in the Illuminati is anti-pot? Could there be different families in the Illuminati that have different views on it? I don't know. Could be...

I think those shows are like any show. It's meant to contain something. In this case the imagination of smokers. You know how they put up a politician like Ron Paul who seems totally with it, but it turns out he's secretly a Freemason and probably meant to contain the "conscious" vote? Those shows are like that. Even Tommy Chong said he was sorry he made those movies because it perpetuates the idea that pot makes you stupid.

You might want to do a little research about Cannabis sativa in ancient history if you think it's hearsay that it is the plant most closely associated with humanity that we know of. You don't have time, though. You have a position to defend. No time for learning a little something that might give you a better understanding.

[thetonic]

lol man ... I wasnt born yesterday

In fact I was at one one time a major proponent fot the pro-cannabis voice

Ive read tons of literature.. 'The emperor wears no clothes' etc.

Its just not worth my debating or arguing . I will post information as I gather it and try to formulate it into a coherent point or conclusion for others to absorb, but I wont waste time debating. Its a pointless exercise Ive found

Those shows and movies that you think are harmless are just part and parcel to the extent of this mind control operation that has been going on for quite some time now... You apparently have no idea that all those innocent shows are loaded with NLP and subliminal messages. They know you are whatching high. They love that. These peoples comprehension of reality is so far detatched from your average joe watching these things as entertainment, its not even slightly funny.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your bong hits and HBO mind control.

[supertzar]

lol man ... I wasnt born yesterday

In fact I was at one one time a major proponent fot the pro-cannabis voice

Ive read tons of literature.. 'The emperor wears no clothes' etc.

Its just not worth my debating or arguing . I will post information as I gather it and try to formulate it into a coherent point or conclusion for others to absorb, but I wont waste time debating. Its a pointless exercise Ive found

Those shows and movies that you think are harmless are just part and parcel to the extent of this mind control operation that has been going on for quite some time now... You apparently have no idea that all those innocent shows are loaded with NLP and subliminal messages. They know you are whatching high. They love that. These peoples comprehension of reality is so far detatched from your average joe watching these things as entertainment, its not even slightly funny.

Anyway, I'll leave you to your bong hits and HBO mind control.


Didn't you read what I said? I don't watch that shit. I haven't had a TV in over twenty years. What I am saying is those shows are exploiting an existing demographic, not recruiting new people to be THC enhanced programming subjects. Do you want to know what life is like for me, a lifetime smoker? You might make assumptions about me that are totally different than the reality. I think we tend to see things how we are ourselves, so we are probably working with a very different set of assumptions about each other and what the other is talking about.

[childofthetao]

By Zenith82: "I'm a mother of four, I don't watch t.v, I don't listen to the radio, I don't read newspapers, I don't play video games, I am active, healthy and spend a great deal of my time walking in the hills or climbing mountains, I'm not lazy in the slightest in fact I have a hard time keeping still, and nobody would ever describe me as passive, and they would be even less likely to describe me as being spiritually detatched, I interpret dreams, give intuitive readings and have prophetic dreams on a regular basis. I SMOKE WEED! I'm not suggestable, and have never been a "sheep" I'd feel that the opposite of what you have stated is true, weed and anything else that easily alters the consciousness of a person and takes them outside the "box" that "they" are so keen to keep us all in is bastardised to prevent it's use. The most open-minded, on the ball, perceptive people I know smoke weed. I'm not stoned all day everyday and I do know some people who end up so laid-back they are practically unconscious but they are few and far between."

That's good but you misunderstood what I said. You aren't going to be a suggestible sheep if you don't watch TV play games and all that. (I personally don't believe weed makes one lazy, one's own laziness is enhanced with weed, not a lazy person? Weed won't make you lazy).

The only way for you to be programmed with responses or beliefs if you don't watch TV etc is for a person to deliberately manipulate you subconsciously (which you would never even notice, and I doubt actually happens unless your talking to obama or some other NLP user, but that wouldn't work if you are aware of it).

By zenith82: "here was a poll done on how many members here smoked weed that might be of interest to the OP.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ght=smoke+weed

doesn't do much for the theory that it dumbs people down and makes them suggestable. You wouldn't find such a high percentage being anti-establishment if this was the case."

Personally I think there is a good chance (more than a good chance even) that the TV has seeded the idea of going against the government.

Not only does it breed conflict (which they love) but one day in the future I believe they intend to "shed their skin". They will want people hating/fearing/running from the old skin (government) while screaming/begging/pleading for the new skin, whatever that might be. They will portray themselves as heroes, maybe even gods, they will try to instigate our voluntary worship of them. They want devoted slaves. The politicians and (and maybe even stars I'm not sure) want to revert to what they used to be, kings worshipped as gods.

By thetonic: "First make it illegal , then distribute all kinds of litereature about the health 'benefits' to smoking (to people with chonic illness may be true) and popularize it in counterculture make it a 'hip' thing to do"

Exactly! If you want someone to want to do something, you tell them you will not allow them to do it. By saying you can't have this thing with such a popular and good image, subconsciously the desire creeps in.

By thetonic: "Good thread by the way OP!

More proof that ATS is a C.I.A funded operation (as if we really need more proof!)"

LOL I had no idea and been lurking there for years, I only started posting fairly recently.

Can I be cheeky and ask someone with an ATS account a tiny favour? On my ATS profile (type my name Twisted-Inside-Out into search and the click my name on a post I made, my Bob Dean is a fraud thread is still there, probably at the top of the list) I wrote a rhyme in my comment section which I was quite proud of, I'd like to get it back. If someone could copy and paste it to me, I'd really appreciate it.

By thetonic: "sure buddy ... I dont have time to argue hearsay with you like 'they destroyed the evidence during Reagan!" or " humans have always been gittin high on it"

Im telling you what I have observed through personal experience and understanding of the deeper spiritual significance to what this means to people in the illuminati

take it or leave it"

Aint that the truth! All of us here know the illuminati run things. We all here know that history is written by the victor, so we should all agree that the history we have is not very likely to be factual because it is from the illuminati (the victors) so why do people put so much trust into the history given by them? Because people are conditioned to enjoy the relaxing cool harmless weed man.

But I don't think people should simply quit. I think one should keep smoking with an open mind to the possibilities and find out EXACTLY what it does through personal experience. If someone explained all this to me a few years ago it would simply have sounded like a load of fluff, it was something I simply could not be aware of, and therefore could never allow myself to believe. But I overcame it, I grew.

One the one hand I had history, films, documentaries, all giving me a version of reality in which weed was good but illegal. On the other hand I had personal experience telling me something different. Now it took time for me to develop enough trust and a connection to my higher self to fully be able to accept my own view over the view I had been given. It would not have helped my growth for me to quit any other time or for any other reason.

Weed is literally green candy being handed out by a shady bloke in a suit with sunglasses "Here take this, you'll like it". Suspect?

I have found a deeper level to reality that most are either unaware of or uninterested in. Marijuana severely interferes with these. My dreams contain vital information, my aura and energy body are in need of serious repair, I would one day enjoy practising new energy ways, and astral projection. I KNOW for MYSELF that these are NOT to be done while high on weed, the increase in sesitivity and level of energetic circulation in the third eye from such practises can be severely messed with by weed. You take you own sanity into your hands by doing this, not everyone will lose it, but the risk is yours to take. I don't want the risk, and I do not want a shortcut, I want it done properly.

I have reached a point where I now perceive weed as destructive to me and my life.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[dankerella]

Bad or not (and I don't think it is), no one has EVER died from a Cannabis overdose. Many people die from aspirin, caffeine, alcohol etc, but no one has ever died from ingesting or smoking Cannabis. Anything can be used and abused and anything can be used responsibly.

If weed is so bad, then why did it open my eyes to see what this world truly is all about?; bringing hell on earth.

It was 4 years ago at an employee dorm at a ski resort, where I had eaten a very strong rice krispie treat made with pot butter. I then started watching TV with about 5 other people, and when I started feeling the THC, the obvious satanic programming on the TV really started to tripp me out. I started to see how satanic everything was from the imagery and logos on TV (Comedy Central's satanic logo), to the names of shows (Hell's Kitchen), to the messages portrayed on TV (David Chappelle's skit with puppets singing a song about drugs to little kids). Everything bad was good, and everything good was bad. I started feeling sick to my stomach seeing all these messages on TV, that I had to leave the room. I couldn't take it anymore and deep down, spiritually I knew what I was seeing was the truth. I didn't really start researching any of it until that summer after the ski season ended, and I haven't stopped researching since. Everything I have researched has only validated what I realized that night.

[microverses]

Interesting viewpoints in here. Maybe I'm the weirdo, but when I smoke I love to read, watch a political video or go out and do something, like take a walk or get out the telescope and look at the stars.

Of course again - I watch very little TV and listen to no pop music, and the bulk of music I do listen to tends to be more progressive technically (Death, Control Denied, Coroner ect) and those bands do not deal with 'gettin it on or smoke it up hoes!' and even this is not an everyday thing.

I am 100% guilty of smoking and then having a blast with my wife playing rock band.

[thetonic]

(Death, Control Denied, Coroner ect)

Not sure if those are bands or what ? but man...Just look at the names! What kind of trip are you sending your subconscious on ? They flood us with horror movies, that alone should be a clue that te whole gothic , emo, death obsession is not a healthy avenue

I am 100% guilty of smoking and then having a blast with my wife playing rock band.

Ooohhh , please accept my most sincere warnings about these videogames , they are loaded with symbols and subliminal messages that do all kinds of nasty things to your psyche and subconscious

[thetonic]

Bad or not (and I don't think it is), no one has EVER died from a Cannabis overdose. Many people die from aspirin, caffeine, alcohol etc, but no one has ever died from ingesting or smoking Cannabis. Anything can be used and abused and anything can be used responsibly.

If weed is so bad, then why did it open my eyes to see what this world truly is all about?; bringing hell on earth.

It was 4 years ago at an employee dorm at a ski resort, where I had eaten a very strong rice krispie treat made with pot butter. I then started watching TV with about 5 other people, and when I started feeling the THC, the obvious satanic programming on the TV really started to tripp me out. I started to see how satanic everything was from the imagery and logos on TV (Comedy Central's satanic logo), to the names of shows (Hell's Kitchen), to the messages portrayed on TV (David Chappelle's skit with puppets singing a song about drugs to little kids). Everything bad was good, and everything good was bad. I started feeling sick to my stomach seeing all these messages on TV, that I had to leave the room. I couldn't take it anymore and deep down, spiritually I knew what I was seeing was the truth. I didn't really start researching any of it until that summer after the ski season ended, and I haven't stopped researching since. Everything I have researched has only validated what I realized that night.

I understand what you are saying dankerella and I have felt the same thing myself... Consider yourself very lucky. Being on that frequency at the time helped catalyze your awakening but for most it is spiritually damaging, most will not be able to see through the veil and break the spell, in fact for most it will cloud their vision even more

[octopusrex]

I'm a mother of four, I don't watch t.v, I don't listen to the radio, I don't read newspapers, I don't play video games, I am active, healthy and spend a great deal of my time walking in the hills or climbing mountains, I'm not lazy in the slightest in fact I have a hard time keeping still, and nobody would ever describe me as passive, and they would be even less likely to describe me as being spiritually detatched, I interpret dreams, give intuitive readings and have prophetic dreams on a regular basis. I SMOKE WEED! I'm not suggestable, and have never been a "sheep" I'd feel that the opposite of what you have stated is true, weed and anything else that easily alters the consciousness of a person and takes them outside the "box" that "they" are so keen to keep us all in is bastardised to prevent it's use. The most open-minded, on the ball, perceptive people I know smoke weed. I'm not stoned all day everyday and I do know some people who end up so laid-back they are practically unconscious but they are few and far between.

You go, honey!

[octopusrex]

Bad or not (and I don't think it is), no one has EVER died from a Cannabis overdose. Many people die from aspirin, caffeine, alcohol etc, but no one has ever died from ingesting or smoking Cannabis. Anything can be used and abused and anything can be used responsibly.

If weed is so bad, then why did it open my eyes to see what this world truly is all about?; bringing hell on earth.

It was 4 years ago at an employee dorm at a ski resort, where I had eaten a very strong rice krispie treat made with pot butter. I then started watching TV with about 5 other people, and when I started feeling the THC, the obvious satanic programming on the TV really started to tripp me out. I started to see how satanic everything was from the imagery and logos on TV (Comedy Central's satanic logo), to the names of shows (Hell's Kitchen), to the messages portrayed on TV (David Chappelle's skit with puppets singing a song about drugs to little kids). Everything bad was good, and everything good was bad. I started feeling sick to my stomach seeing all these messages on TV, that I had to leave the room. I couldn't take it anymore and deep down, spiritually I knew what I was seeing was the truth. I didn't really start researching any of it until that summer after the ski season ended, and I haven't stopped researching since. Everything I have researched has only validated what I realized that night.

When I'm really stoned, I like to think of the t.v. as a Gaisterbahn.

[akaz]

Wow, really great thread OP. I'm really glad you started it. I was actually wondering something similar as a result of seeing the recent huge surge in users. I've also been noticing that the people who are consumer-brainwashed already and start with pot tend to fall deeper into that hole, with mindless TV/games, junk food, vain/self-centered behavior, etc.

Maybe I was going a bit far out with it, but I posted a related thread a few weeks ago:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82612

I was curious about the mind's susceptibility to broadcasted frequencies while high. Does anyone who may know more on that subject think there's any merit to my curiosity? Or are TPTB not that sophisticated, with the danger only being direct exposure to TV and such?

Thanks!

[supertzar]

I understand what you are saying dankerella and I have felt the same thing myself... Consider yourself very lucky. Being on that frequency at the time helped catalyze your awakening but for most it is spiritually damaging, most will not be able to see through the veil and break the spell, in fact for most it will cloud their vision even more

Most people are not going to increase their understanding anyway, so why blame this on pot? On average pot smokers are by far much more aware on a higher level than the average straight person, so it does help people to see. Your condescending pronouncements are backwards.

[thetonic]

Most people are not going to increase their understanding anyway,

Now that is backwards, pompous , and condescending ... Who's side are you on anyway?

Clearly youre referring to yourself here and your own stubborness to learn

[itsallinus]

From my life experience, everyone I know that spends most their time watching crap on t.v. and playing games while eating junk are the ones that don't smoke the herb. Everyone I have ever known that has smoked in my presence has been more open minded to thinking outside the box.

When I am stoned I like to be more creative and do stuff, it does not make me lazy but does help me get to sleep quicker and I sleep much better. It gives me a better complexion and helps me focus on things with much more clarity.

It also seems to bring me closer to being in the 'now'.

The ones who won't touch it seem to be the most left-brained good little slaves.

Anyway, if you don't want it then I'll have your share, cheers :D

[supertzar]

Now that is backwards, pompous , and condescending ... Who's side are you on anyway?

Clearly youre referring to yourself here and your own stubborness to learn

That's total bullshit. Look at what you yourself said.

most will not be able to see through the veil and break the spell

Actually, I disagree with this unless qualified by "unless people stop watching so much TV and start using their minds more." The point is that "most people" are currently not getting the big picture whether they smoke or not. A higher percentage of smokers are getting it than non-smokers I guarantee you.

[ekim]

OK here what's happening with weed, I lost my account on abovetopsecret for making this post over their. MY account was not simply deleted, they can't ban me unless they have a good reason, my account has been sabotaged and whenever I try to log in I am not allowed to access ANY single part of the site. It is a disinfo site and I am glad I can no longer absorb the censored crap over there.

"They" want as many people smoking weed as possible. They do this by popularizing it, putting in music (there are LOTS of songs that are JUST about smoking weed) and on TV. What this does is it makes practically everyone who wants to smoke it (and everyone who is influenced to want to smoke it) start smoking it despite it being illegal. This means that if it was legalized, the increase in smokers would be minimal (making legalization unnecessary).

They, however do not want it legalized (there's no need to legalize it, they have the max amount of smokers practically). They want people to accept into their lives conflict with the police, a seed they want to nurture into something more. They are making us accept and get used to being at "war" with the police. They create a divide between us. This is just as they want it.

Now there is something specific about weed, something very bad. It wasn't always as bad, in the past weed wasn't as potent, but it has been increased for their purpose. When one is high, the subconscious mind is MUCH more open to suggestion. As you know, through TV, adverts, NLP, they try their best to manipulate and control us through our subconscious.

You see how smart they are? Getting the maximum amount of users of an illegal substance through brain washing?

Now there is a good side to this. As many who work with their subconscious for personal growth may already have realized, a more suggestive subconscious can be a useful tool. Here's an example: I use EFT but using it on oneself for past memories can be difficult especially when one has "emotional burnout" like me, it is always hard to use EFT on oneself due to the inability to perceive oneself objectively. Anyway when high, I can simply say "subconscious mind, show me a memory that is having a negative effect on me now, that I can use EFT to heal it." And viola, a memory will play.

I personally don't advocate the use of weed for this purpose, better results can be achieved through attaining a nice deep level of trance and then communication with the deeper mind. Having weed in your system can easily interfere with EFT (and your energy body or internal energy) causing it to not work.

I hope I have managed to get across that watching TV or listening to radio (or listening/letting in ANY of THEIR shite) while high is very dangerous, and very bad for the soul, MUCH more so than while sober.

Peace
Child of the Tao


Why is there so many people conecting Cannabis with the Elite? It's just plain bs. Why then have monks and priests smoked in throughout history? Cannabis can open your energy system, I have dirrect experience with this.

The real problem is it's prohibition causes oganized crime to fuck with it, they produce shit weed with all kinds of energetic and physical attachments just to make a profit quicker. People forget that alcohol was once illegal, that's where the mobs came from in the early 1900's.

Quality Cannabis truly does heal and open your awarness.

[cryst4l]

Why is there so many people conecting Cannabis with the Elite? It's just plain bs. Why then have monks and priests smoked in throughout history? Cannabis can open your energy system, I have dirrect experience with this.

The real problem is it's prohibition causes oganized crime to fuck with it, they produce shit weed with all kinds of energetic and physical attachments just to make a profit quicker. People forget that alcohol was once illegal, that's where the mobs came from in the early 1900's.

Quality Cannabis truly does heal and open your awarness.

Nice post Ekim :)

It's a shame that others do not understand how widely used the plant has been used and who has used it. Monks, priests and many elders of indigenous tribes would digest or smoke the herb for many purposes.

In my opinion, most prophets will have had some form of THC trance when they recieved their messages. Proving this though is a different kettle of fish :D

I also believe those who put up a defiant argument to the weed debate have at some point tried smoking or taking weed in some form and it has not agreed with them for some reason or another and because of this they are negative to it.
I am not saying this is the case for all (before anyone jumps on my back) but it does seem to be the way from conversations I have had with a few people.

I know the argument will come back that I am positive to the weed because of my use, but I have also been in a position where it has not made me well (the old whitey :)) and I also was recomended to stop using by my doctor because it was sending me mad lol ;)

It obviously had nothing to do with the awful relationship I was in at the time and the stress and anxiety caused by realising that the last 4 years of my life had been a complete waste of time and that the caring loving girl I was with was actually really evil and had played me like a utter fool :D

[thetonic]

Why is there so many people conecting Cannabis with the Elite? It's just plain bs. Why then have monks and priests smoked in throughout history?
.

what , like these kind of priests? :cool:

http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/images/geuu_01_img0201.jpg

http://gabriella50.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/incenso.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff244/ubercomments/funny/430.jpg


Cannabis can open your energy system,

yes it can open up a lot more than that as well... As Ive already mentioned cannabis can open your subconscious mind to manipulation as well

[chaozine]

yes it can open up a lot more than that as well... As Ive already mentioned cannabis can open your subconscious mind to manipulation as well

Any proofs? No? I thought so.

[childofthetao]

Any proofs? No? I thought so.

Like I said, my subconscious responds instantly when I command it to, but only when I'm high, that's MY proof however. There are also those studies I posted about how weed effects the mind.

Have you ever actually experimented? Have you ever thought to yourself "Right now I'm going to find out if this crap is actually true or not!", have you researched methods of subconscious manipulation? have you researched the subconscious? have you researched the conscious mind? Have you ever done all in your power to actually KNOW to the best of your ability? And then stretch your imagination because your not egotistical enough to think that your conclusions MUST be correct (whatever they may be)? Have you ever meditated upon it? Have you ever got the opinion of your higher self? Do you understand the importance of symbols to your subconscious?

If you want to know the truth you have to earn it, you have to go and get it, because until you do you will never believe what I say, you will only have the option of accepting it or rejecting it, and since you don't believe it you will always reject it.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[eyeonyou]

yesterday my son said my head looked like a lightbulb.
i was incandescent with rage.