Are You a Freemason?

[fairyelfdog]

You are on these forums, I have noticed it, so come on out of the closet and let us know. We have the right to know who you are so that we can handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way. I don't hide my beliefs or who I am.

I have no religious attachments. I live in Sweden. I am female, have no job and no income. Lowest of the lowest when it comes to the social ladder. I find David Ickes and others work very inspiring indeed. I have known about the nature of consciousness since I was in my teens but the insight has become more and more important in my life until these days when bringing about the shift and ending all opression is my life. (Crude summary of a turbulent life. Can be argued)

So... come out come out wherever you are.

[keystone]

You are on these forums, I have noticed it, so come on out of the closet and let us know. We have the right to know who you are so that we can handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way. I don't hide my beliefs or who I am.Yes here I am - I haven't hidden it so I'm not in the closet. Please acknowledge that I also have the right to handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way.

Is this a witch hunt?

Cheers

[fairyelfdog]

Yes here I am - I haven't hidden it so I'm not in the closet. Please acknowledge that I also have the right to handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way.

Is this a witch hunt?

Cheers

No. It's not a witch hunt. Glad you are not hiding. I want to know who you are, thats all.

[stewart edwards]

The masons rejected me.

[keystone]

The masons rejected me.No Stewart not THE at all - SOME masons rejected you. Quite different really.

Cheers

[stewart edwards]

It is interesting keystone. At the time masons, a number of them, were very vocal that I would never be allowed to join any lodge, some on forum some privately. One was even very blunt about it on tfm, in his normal subtle direct to the point way, if I recall correctly somthing to the effect of "stop pandering to him for we all know that he will never now be accepted". This unwritten UGLE rule has been explained to me several times by different masons.

Though as the years have passed I have noticed a softening and distancing from never to be accepted to "only some masons rejected you". And it is true that I could probably get into a few fraternities, some in the uk some overseas (if I moved over there obviously). I even suspect that there is one ugle lodge that would seriously consider me.

But the fact remains, I applied, and was rejected by UGLE, ok go on then an ugle lodge.:D

[humason]

Yes here I am - I haven't hidden it so I'm not in the closet. Please acknowledge that I also have the right to handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way.

Is this a witch hunt?

Cheers

Yo, right here.

fairyelfdog, don't you think that being a "premier subscriber" (what ever that means) and spending time on the net might be a part of the reason for the whole "unemployed and broke" thing? Shouldn't you be doing something more... oh, I don't know... profitable? :)

[free thinker]

Shouldn't you be doing something more... oh, I don't know... profitable? :)


Yeah, why not try and join the freemasons? :D

[boots]

Yo, right here.

fairyelfdog, don't you think that being a "premier subscriber" (what ever that means) and spending time on the net might be a part of the reason for the whole "unemployed and broke" thing? Shouldn't you be doing something more... oh, I don't know... profitable? :)


Mmmmm I'll let fairyelfdog explain that. But in the mean time. Why dont you slip into something more comfortable, like a coma.


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[free thinker]

The masons rejected me.

Black-balled eh?....oh dear, did you upset someone?

[free thinker]

Genuine question if you don't mind me asking?

Do Freemasons recognise each others fraternity, from observations, GS & keystone are quite clearly from different ones, but does one see it's self more....'origninal' (for want of a better description) than the other, also could each visit the others lodge meeting?...just curious

[humason]

Mmmmm I'll let fairyelfdog explain that. But in the mean time. Why dont you slip into something more comfortable, like a coma.


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And why don't you go back and crawl under the bed in you mothers basement? :)

Seriously, are we going to go down to that level? I'm not sure why someone feels the need to mention that they're broke and unemployed, but what was my comment other than a statement of fact? I'm neither of those things, and therefore have time for Masons and posting on idiotic web forums :)

[grandsecretary]

Genuine question if you don't mind me asking?

Do Freemasons recognise each others fraternity, from observations, GS & keystone are quite clearly from different ones, but does one see it's self more....'origninal' (for want of a better description) than the other, also could each visit the others lodge meeting?...just curious

There is no connection between the Grand Lodge of All England and the United Grand Lodge of England. We do not allow intervisitation because the systems are different, as are the Masonic secrets that are shared, including the modes of recognition that would allow entry into our lodges.

There is no doubt that the Constitutions of the Grand Lodge of All England (AD926) are much older than the constitutions of the United Grand Lodge of England (Anderson's New Constitutions AD1738) but the age or "originality" of one type of Freemasonry or another is not material to your question.

The differences between the two Grand Lodges is one of system, laws, rules (Landmarks), even raison d'etre. We disagree on all of these issues and these disagreements are irrevocable.

The word "recognition" is a difficult one because the use of this word is almost universally misunderstood and even misused by some. This explains what "recognition" means to a particular Grand Lodge system:

"It must again be stated that the Commission does not determine the regularity of a Grand Lodge; it only evaluates the facts available to determine if the entity meets the standards for recognition, as adopted by the Conference of Grand Masters of North America, and reports those findings to the member Grand Lodges of this Conference for their use." (SOURCE: Commission on Information for Recognition)

The words "... for their use" are an important concession, because it demonstrates that "recognition" is a private internal matter for a particular Grand Lodge system, of no interest to anybody else.

[keystone]

It is interesting keystone. At the time masons, a number of them, were very vocal that I would never be allowed to join any lodge, some on forum some privately. One was even very blunt about it on tfm, in his normal subtle direct to the point way, if I recall correctly somthing to the effect of "stop pandering to him for we all know that he will never now be accepted". This unwritten UGLE rule has been explained to me several times by different masons.We discussed this on here a couple of weeks ago as I remember. I certainly do not know of such a "rule". Can I imagine who the "blunt" one was? :D I don't agree with him.

Though as the years have passed I have noticed a softening and distancing from never to be accepted to "only some masons rejected you". And it is true that I could probably get into a few fraternities, some in the uk some overseas (if I moved over there obviously). I even suspect that there is one ugle lodge that would seriously consider me.More than one I suspect.

But the fact remains, I applied, and was rejected by UGLE, ok go on then an ugle lodge.:DNow we've got there - good. Its more than likely that you frightened the s..t out of the with some of your stuff and / or disturbed their fragile little comfort zone. People are human you know.

Cheers

[keystone]

Genuine question if you don't mind me asking?Of course not.

Do Freemasons recognise each others fraternity, from observations, GS & keystone are quite clearly from different ones, but does one see it's self more....'origninal' (for want of a better description) than the other, also could each visit the others lodge meeting?...just curious

Officially we have this rather pompous and over bureaucratic approach called regularity. I am actually not bothered about which is more original than the other.

If one Grand Lodge (and this is not at all just an issue only between UGLE and GLAE) doen't recognise another as "regular" then no intervisitation cannot take place. However, I can meet with GS on the street and have a beer with him if either he or I so decided and we can meet and discuss here and we will not infringe any "rules".

There are two Grand Lodges in UK for women. UGLE says that they are, in most respects, regular with the exception that they admit women. So in the final analysis because of that they are NOT regular so no intervisitation cannot take place.

However, as an individual I achnowledge the mum of one of my best mates as a freemason, I acknowledge GS as a freemason. Its all bureaucracy tbh.

HTH

Cheers

[fairyelfdog]

Thanks for that little comment, Boots. :) I'm not going to bother explaining anything though because I have nothing to defend.. The reason I said it was simply to demonstrate that I am open with who I am. I am not the slightest bit concerned about my situation... Hmmm "Why I am broke and unemployed and spend so much time on an internet forum." Sounds like a good idea for a blog ;)

Grandsecretary, your signature is hilarious.

Expecting more posts
/Kara

[free thinker]

Of course not.



Officially we have this rather pompous and over bureaucratic approach called regularity. I am actually not bothered about which is more original than the other.

If one Grand Lodge (and this is not at all just an issue only between UGLE and GLAE) doen't recognise another as "regular" then no intervisitation cannot take place. However, I can meet with GS on the street and have a beer with him if either he or I so decided and we can meet and discuss here and we will not infringe any "rules".

There are two Grand Lodges in UK for women. UGLE says that they are, in most respects, regular with the exception that they admit women. So in the final analysis because of that they are NOT regular so no intervisitation cannot take place.

However, as an individual I achnowledge the mum of one of my best mates as a freemason, I acknowledge GS as a freemason. Its all bureaucracy tbh.

HTH

Cheers

Yes thanks, both you and GS pretty much cleared it for me :)

Bit like Labour and Conservative in a sense....Hey, ive had a thought, erm...Nah forget it!:D

[grandsecretary]

And I am looking forward to that beer any time.

Animosity only happens when members of one Grand Lodge attack members of another Grand Lodge, without the authority of their Grand Lodge.

The Grand Lodges themselves, on the whole, do not do this. However, now and again, an employee steps over his or her authority, and makes a statement that causes offence. This is always regrettable.

For instance, the statement issued from the office of the Grand Secreteary of the United Grand Lodge of England in April 2006, in respect of this, our Grand Lodge, The Grand Lodge of All England.

It was a knee jerk reaction by a junior member of staff, to something that he did not understand, grossly underestimated, and where his facts were woefully incorrect. It caused the UGLE a great deal of embarrassment, which lasted until just a few months ago, when the final remnants of the statement disappeared from the world wide web.

We must give credit to The United Grand Lodge of England that it has never repeated the statement or the error, and has officially maintained a dignified silence on the issue since their errors were pointed out.

However, its junior members do step over the mark sometimes, usually out of ignorance rather than malice, but not always. :(

[keystone]

And I am looking forward to that beer any time.Don't get to York that much unfortunately.

WE must give credit to The United Grand Lodge of England that it has never repeated the statement, and has officially maintained a dignified silence on the issue since their errors were pointed out.That was one of the points I was trying to make earlier today. Thanks for recognising it. Am I allowed to use the word recognise? :D

Cheers

[thelonious]

USA Mason here. Fiat Lvx.

[eastbeast]

In reply to your question fairyelfdog, I am a Freemason, but as far as being open and giving out my name and address on the internet or even should some idiot even succeed in getting a law passed that made all Freemasons declare on a public register - not a chance.

Why does it matter so much who is a Freemason?
It doesn't matter who is a member of the local golf club or swimming club, gardening club or whatever.

As for not having a job or money, I sincerely wish you luck in changing that should you desire.

[barney_rubble]

USA Mason here. Fiat Lvx.

Hey theLonious I am glad to hear you still include yourself as a member of the craft.

OH by-the-way Canadian mason here. - Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit

[agneau]

You are on these forums, I have noticed it, so come on out of the closet and let us know. We have the right to know who you are so that we can handle all the crap you throw at us in a fair and level way. I don't hide my beliefs or ........

So... come out come out wherever you are.

Yep, Masonic devil I am. And atheist to boot. Now there's a dilemma for some.

[grandsecretary]

Yep, Masonic devil I am. And atheist to boot. Now there's a dilemma for some.

My name is Peter Clatworthy and I am a Free Mason.

My photograph is on the left, and my contact details may be found on our website.

And you are fairyelfdog? An anonymous avatar.

[se19_london]

Afternoon one and all.......

I am indeed a freemason.......and very proud of it also!

Best regards,

Joe

[deathbeast]

i am a mason, of the Scottish rite and i have my own ideas about life the world and religion.
i also served as a soldier in the British army, i have played professional football in my late teens and i have also trained as a chef and while im at it i have had a few works of writing published. father of two, i have employment and i have no issue of how you choose to carry out your life, so why should you have issue with how i live mine, or how others live theirs?

[lycan]

In reply to your question fairyelfdog, I am a Freemason, but as far as being open and giving out my name and address on the internet or even should some idiot even succeed in getting a law passed that made all Freemasons declare on a public register - not a chance.


I 2nd that!

I was always taught to be cautious.

[keystone]

Yep, Masonic devil I am. And atheist to boot. Now there's a dilemma for some.Its perhaps a dilemma for you bud!

Cheers

PS Do you know how to worry a sheep? Whisper mint sauce, mint sauce in its ear!

[agneau]

Its perhaps a dilemma for you bud!

Cheers

PS Do you know how to worry a sheep? Whisper mint sauce, mint sauce in its ear!

Not at all. Entirely reconcilable.

Cheers, old boy.

PPS I think Lamb would've worked better there....

[grandsecretary]

All postings by me on this thread have been suspended. I am sorry but I am precluded for legal reasons.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
Grand Lodge of All England
9th October 2009