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03-10-2009, 12:12 PM
Former Canadian soldier speaks out against 'disgusting' child rape in Afghanistan

By David Pugliese, Ottawa CitizenSeptember 21, 2009


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Every day, Travis Schouten lives with the image of the rape of an Afghan boy at a Canadian Forces base.


Witnessing two men, one armed with a knife, sodomize the child during an incident in late 2006 helped drive the 26-year-old to the brink of mental collapse.


But the former corporal said the assault is just the tip of an iceberg and underneath lies the systemic sexual abuse of boys at the hands of Afghanistan’s police and army. It’s something he said the Canadian Forces has turned a blind eye to.


“It’s disgusting,” said Schouten, now retired after eight years in the military. “We’re telling people that we’re trying to build a nation there and we let this happen?”


“We allow rampant abuse of young boys at the hands of what is supposed to be their finest police officers and army officers, then what does that say?”


Schouten’s allegations that Afghans were sexually abusing children at a Canadian base near Kandahar made headlines in 2008 but earlier this year, military investigators dismissed the claims as unfounded.


He is, however, not alone in voicing his concerns. Defence Department records show military police were upset about such incidents but were told not to interfere. Army officers also met in 2007 to discuss the issue of Afghan security personnel “having anal sex with young boys” but their main concern was the media would somehow find out.


Others in the military note they were told such practices were an age-old part of Afghan culture. One soldier who e-mailed Canwest News Service stated he served at the same base at another time and troops had orders to stop any rapes. But he also noted they were told the practise of “Man Love Thursdays,” as it was called, involved consenting Afghans and no one was raped by older men. The children involved were given small gifts or money in return for sex, soldiers said.


Schouten, however, questions whether a five- or six-year old child, or even an 11-year-old, can consent. “The Canadian Forces wants people to think it’s a cultural thing, that everyone is doing it, because it takes the onus of responsibility off them to stop it,” he said.


The United Nations has also questioned arguments that sex with children is a cultural issue. In July 2008, a UN special representative spoke out against the Afghan practise. “What I found was nobody talks about it; everyone says, ‘Well, you know, it’s been there for 1,000 years, so why do we want to raise this now?’ ” said Radhika Coomaraswamy. “But somebody has to raise it and it has to be dealt with.”


And not all Afghans are so accepting of what some claim is tradition. Afghan villagers this summer complained to British troops in Helmand province that Afghan police were abducting children to be used for sex.


Last year also saw an extremely rare event; three Afghan police officers who gang-raped a 12-year-old boy and his father were sent to prison.


Although reports in a Toronto newspaper noted that Schouten saw the aftermath of the attack on a young boy, he said that is not accurate. He actually entered the headquarters and witnessed two Afghan security personnel sodomizing the child. “I walked in and they were raping a kid,” he recalled. “The kid was bleeding. They guy with the camo fatigues had a knife in his hand.”


He left the headquarters shaken. The Canadian unit already had been dealing with other problems with the Afghans and his immediate options were limited. “I wasn’t going to start doing something at the scene,” he said. “I’m in the middle of the ANP headquarters. What do I do? Start shooting Afghan police? I’d get myself shot.”


Afterward, he was approached by an Afghan interpreter who worked with troops. The man had with him a couple of five-year-old boys who had also been allowed on the Canadian base. “He brought up the fact he likes to rape little boys,” Schouten said. “He’s telling me how he likes to use a knife on them.”


Schouten said after the incident, his life fell apart. He began drinking heavily. After returning from Afghanistan, he was involved in a car accident which injured one of his passengers. He went absent without leave when he was supposed to be at a psychiatrist’s appointment.


The army’s reaction was to try to dishonourably discharge him but Schouten successfully fought that. In August, he was honourably discharged on medical grounds.


Schouten wasn’t surprised the military investigation concluded his allegations were unfounded and his chain of command had not been informed of any such incidents.


Back in Canada, he told a lieutenant colonel and Defence Department officials of the incident, who in turn, informed others in the army’s leadership. However, since none of those people was in Schouten’s direct chain of command, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service could conclude nothing was reported, he explained.


Other soldiers also were reluctant to come forward. “Guys have mortgages, they have kids," said Schouten. “If they go and get involved in this their careers will be stopped. Look what the army did to me.”


Schouten isn’t expecting anything different from an army board of inquiry launched last year. Although soldiers know Afghan security forces are having sex with kids, the issue is too explosive to deal with, he added.


Schouten said the rape and its aftermath shook his faith in the military. “In my mind, when I signed up, it was a brotherhood to me,” he explained. “I thought I was there for an established set of values and I loved that. I was wrong.”


Schouten is now rebuilding his life and is going to university. “I’m putting myself back together,” he said.

“But at the same time, I do feel people should be held accountable and people should know this is what is going on over there.”

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zenith82
03-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Good to see someone with the balls to speak out.

time for change
03-10-2009, 05:47 PM
absolutely vile.

all this though, its a part of the agenda. they want to promote paedofilia - evetually resulting in a gay/hermaphrodite male society, with females as the hyper-controlling type keeping the vibrational frequency of humanity at a low.

females are more advanced than males with mind control tactics period(on a one to one level anyway. and no, i havn't been screwed over by a chick recently. this ain sexism), and males are becoming less confident, not wanting to put a foot out of line.

its scary how brainwashing through (media, hollywood, ect.) has developed society in the past 100 years.

but this thread is about paedoflia, and the peaceful love-dance revolution says NO !!

cpfc12
03-10-2009, 08:34 PM
Disgusting
at the same time i doubt you are being told the stories of canadian soldiers commiting rape

marpat
04-10-2009, 09:56 PM
Disgusting
at the same time i doubt you are being told the stories of canadian soldiers commiting rape

So are the canadians raping people then? you seem to think so

cpfc12
04-10-2009, 11:56 PM
uhuh well in case you havent realised its a war going on over there, not such thing as the good guys and bad guys, i don't know if there are canadian soldiers raping over there, but i know for sure that there were some canadian soldiers in bosnia during the 90's who where raping women, but then again if its not on CNN it aint true ;)

marpat
05-10-2009, 11:21 AM
uhuh well in case you havent realised its a war going on over there, not such thing as the good guys and bad guys, i don't know if there are canadian soldiers raping over there, but i know for sure that there were some canadian soldiers in bosnia during the 90's who where raping women, but then again if its not on CNN it aint true ;)

So you are making claims of rapre with NO PROOF whatsoever. What if I were to claim you are a rapist and just because you havent been caught it doesnt mean you're not guilty?

octopusrex
05-10-2009, 04:54 PM
If you are not going to murder, rape and pillage, why the fuck do you want to go to war?

energi
05-10-2009, 05:32 PM
So you are making claims of rapre with NO PROOF whatsoever. What if I were to claim you are a rapist and just because you havent been caught it doesnt mean you're not guilty?

Like David Icke making claims of blooddrinking, shape-shifting reptilians manipulating our minds and killing our children with no proof whatsoever? :p

marpat
05-10-2009, 07:13 PM
If you are not going to murder, rape and pillage, why the fuck do you want to go to war?

If that what you think people join up for then you are pretty sick and totally wrong. You are a monster.

marpat
05-10-2009, 07:14 PM
Like David Icke making claims of blooddrinking, shape-shifting reptilians manipulating our minds and killing our children with no proof whatsoever? :p

Very true. He does have 'eyewitness' accounts but are they true or not? people can write anything and say its true but without proof it is nothing.

cpfc12
05-10-2009, 10:31 PM
So you are making claims of rapre with NO PROOF whatsoever. What if I were to claim you are a rapist and just because you havent been caught it doesnt mean you're not guilty?

http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html
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Its second hand information i got from someone else i know about what happened, but then again i could claim that i am Gordon Brown, and you can be tony blair who is to know.

cpfc12
05-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Very true. He does have 'eyewitness' accounts but are they true or not? people can write anything and say its true but without proof it is nothing.

but then again where is the proof that it didnt happen ?

octopusrex
06-10-2009, 04:53 AM
If that what you think people join up for then you are pretty sick and totally wrong. You are a monster.

Folks win wars because they are bloodier and more willing to destroy, utterly humiliate a race, nation or... oh, gosh, religion. I for one would not prefer to go to war, but if you are going to have to fight one, would you not rather win?

marpat
06-10-2009, 11:51 AM
http://www.geocities.com/famous_bosniaks/english/general_lewis_mackenzie.html
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Its second hand information i got from someone else i know about what happened, but then again i could claim that i am Gordon Brown, and you can be tony blair who is to know.

That is NOT Afghanistan. Its almost like saying that the modern German army are organising death squads and concetration camps because that happened in the 30-40's

You cannot judge current events by things that have happened years ago.

marpat
06-10-2009, 11:56 AM
but then again where is the proof that it didnt happen ?

What, the proof that you are a rapist? you see the problem with your accusations, I can turn them on you and the very things you say can be used against you. That is why proof is needed before making accusations.

The fact of the matter is unless you have some form of proof that something has happened then it is probably best that you dont sling your shit around.

marpat
06-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Folks win wars because they are bloodier and more willing to destroy, utterly humiliate a race, nation or... oh, gosh, religion. I for one would not prefer to go to war, but if you are going to have to fight one, would you not rather win?

Not all wars are won in such a way. The Vietnam war was lost because of lack of political will in the US. The US had the capability to utterly flatten North Vietnam but placed huge restrainst on itself, as well as all the peace protest back in the US, which had a negative effect of the will to win.

Would I rather win? perhaps that would depend on what was necessary to achieve a victory. Look at Afghanisat now, we could easily win there by just dropping non-persistant agents onto the population and killing so many of them off that they wont fight or are too weak to, but we dont use such methods because they are out of proportion to the threat. I would also prefer to have no wars but I think as long as people exist war will exist for one reason or another.

eternal_spirit
06-10-2009, 04:02 PM
You cannot judge current events by things that have happened years ago.
Unless raping young boys is an accepted part of those people's culture/religion etc and they've been at it for centuries+.


Quote OP
Others in the military note they were told such practices were an age-old part of Afghan culture.

octopusrex
06-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Not all wars are won in such a way. The Vietnam war was lost because of lack of political will in the US. The US had the capability to utterly flatten North Vietnam but placed huge restrainst on itself, as well as all the peace protest back in the US, which had a negative effect of the will to win.

Would I rather win? perhaps that would depend on what was necessary to achieve a victory. Look at Afghanisat now, we could easily win there by just dropping non-persistant agents onto the population and killing so many of them off that they wont fight or are too weak to, but we dont use such methods because they are out of proportion to the threat. I would also prefer to have no wars but I think as long as people exist war will exist for one reason or another.

The brillance of Alexander is that he allowed his enemies armies to be kept more or less intact, including their generals.. IF THEY SURRENDERED. If they did not, he would raze, Atila-style ... including killing all the children so they would not grow up to fight against him. Alexander is considered the greatest military mind of all time. If it work, why fuck with it?

If the USA WANTED to win the Vietnam War, a few well placed nukes on Chinese soil would have done the trick. Russia might have been drawn into it, but then again maybe not. It was a gamble the USA did not take. Instead, it tried to defeat an army that was more than willing to strip bombs into kids and have them blow helicopters.

Who do you think will win the Afghan conflict?

marpat
06-10-2009, 05:12 PM
The brillance of Alexander is that he allowed his enemies armies to be kept more or less intact, including their generals.. IF THEY SURRENDERED. If they did not, he would raze, Atila-style ... including killing all the children so they would not grow up to fight against him. Alexander is considered the greatest military mind of all time. If it work, why fuck with it?

If the USA WANTED to win the Vietnam War, a few well placed nukes on Chinese soil would have done the trick. Russia might have been drawn into it, but then again maybe not. It was a gamble the USA did not take. Instead, it tried to defeat an army that was more than willing to strip bombs into kids and have them blow helicopters.

Who do you think will win the Afghan conflict?

Personally I dont think the current strategy will win purely because of the cultural differences. The 'enemy' out there are not loyal to governments but to tribes. Because they live across Afghanistan and Pakistan they can move between countries putting them out of harm to some degree. They can raise the next generation of fighters in Pakistan in relative safety. The only way to have a chance is to get the tribal leaders on side and I dont know what is going to do that.

Perhaps the methods of Alexdander would not work in the modern world, where politicians are so dependent upon public support that they will not try to achieve a vicory at any cost.

octopusrex
06-10-2009, 10:01 PM
Personally I dont think the current strategy will win purely because of the cultural differences. The 'enemy' out there are not loyal to governments but to tribes. Because they live across Afghanistan and Pakistan they can move between countries putting them out of harm to some degree. They can raise the next generation of fighters in Pakistan in relative safety. The only way to have a chance is to get the tribal leaders on side and I dont know what is going to do that.

Perhaps the methods of Alexdander would not work in the modern world, where politicians are so dependent upon public support that they will not try to achieve a vicory at any cost.

I have a winning strategy for the warlord scenario. Would seriously require China to cooperate.

jakemaverick
06-10-2009, 11:56 PM
If that what you think people join up for then you are pretty sick and totally wrong. You are a monster.

undoubtedly, there may be a small percentage of numpty yob idiots that actually believe the govt propagnda....

jakemaverick
06-10-2009, 11:58 PM
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octopusrex
07-10-2009, 04:29 AM
undoubtedly, there may be a small percentage of numpty yob idiots that actually believe the govt propagnda....

Undoubtedly.:(