What's the best Web Browser?

[eternal_spirit]

Fastest most reliable etc, pros and cons. And free.

[orgo knight]

Reduce your "carbon footprint" use blackle
Looks weird I think
http://www.blackle.com/

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Reduce your "carbon footprint" use blackle
Looks weird I think
http://www.blackle.com/

Never heard of that. I'll check it out later...


Anyways, for the best web browser. That all depends on what you want to do.

Now, if you're just simple and want to view allot of things on the internet, then IE is alright.. Personally, I don't like. I personally use Firefox. It's really simple, easy to use. When you download something, it chooses the best suited program for it. Also, it saves all the things you downloaded into one window. You can easily erase, or just open it from there. But, if you save anything, it's easier to see where it's going, and to change it aswell.

Opera is a good one aswell. It has more utilities to it. More choices, and it even has it's own built in bittorrent downloader. The only problem there(from my own expirence atleast) is that it slows down the rest of the tabs you have open. You will need to open a different window if you want a normal internet speed.

If you want true simplicity, and really fast internet connection:

Lynx web browser. Very populair amongst hardcore linux fans and programmers. It's a text based only web browser(although graphics opition hass been made), so you can't see images or anything on there. But it's fast as hell because it doesn't have to load images or anything else.


Good luck. And if you find anything you like, that I haven't mentioned, let us know.

[jaanus]

Something interesting for you:

Lynx - a text based browser (come again?). Yes it is a text based browser developed under linux and it is completely free. It is compatible with touch-screens that blind people use. This is the logo, they use on the web pages which are fully compatible with this browser (this browser doesn't support javascript, plugins, java applets etc).

http://www.kakupesa.pri.ee/gfx/approved.gif

Opera is very innovative browser and it would be my first pick if i wasn't a web developer. Firefox has all the tools I need and It is pretty good for day-to-day browsing as well so I'm using this instead.

Whichever browser you decide to use, make sure Microsoft Internet Explorer is not one of them. Not only is the big corporation called Microsoft evil, its products are bad: many flaws, security holes, leaking memory etc. Internet Explorer scores 10 in each of these categories.

Oh I almost forgot to mention that Internet Explorer is a complete headache for all the web developers who want to make their applications compatible with as many browsers as possible so again please, for the name of all the web developers: "Thou shalt not use Internet Explorer" :)

[orgo knight]

Doh ! Web bowsers and search engines are so easy to confuse:o

[jaanus]

Doh ! Web bowsers and search engines are so easy to confuse:o

I think I should open another thread suggesting search engines one should use. Guess what, Google and Yahoo are not amongst them.

[eternal_spirit]

I got sick of IE's slowness, been using Firefox recently and it serves it's purpose, pages load in the click of the fingers type speed. :) Guess I'm happy with that, but thanks for you're replies, may check out some of the other browsers suggested. Was just wondering what some of the Computer experts around here thought about different browsers.

[jaanus]

Was just wondering what some of the Computer experts around here thought about different browsers.

Oh gee, I have to tell my professor about this thread, clearly you need someone more competent than a sheer sofware developer (being sarcastic again)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Oh gee, I have to tell my professor about this thread, clearly you need someone more competent than a sheer sofware developer (being sarcastic again)

Dude, come on. Be nice... And what was up with your one comment about Lynx?

I mean, I said it was a text based wb. You said (come again?). And then said exactly what I said.

[eternal_spirit]

Oh gee, I have to tell my professor about this thread, clearly you need someone more competent than a sheer sofware developer (being sarcastic again)

LOl I consider you an expert. :D And hislordship.

[jaanus]

Dude, come on. Be nice... And what was up with your one comment about Lynx?

I mean, I said it was a text based wb. You said (come again?). And then said exactly what I said.

I posted it when there were no replies, I guess you beat me to it, it wasn't ment to be a reply to your post.

I said "come again" because It may seem unbelievable to most people that a web browser could be text based.

[jesus disciple]

Opera 'The coolest, fastest, and most secure Web browser available.'
http://www.opera.com/

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I posted it when there were no replies, I guess you beat me to it, it wasn't ment to be a reply to your post.

I said "come again" because It may seem unbelievable to most people that a web browser could be text based.

OOHH! Alright. My bad.

I do like the idea of a text based broswer though. but sometimes, I just like the images...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Opera 'The coolest, fastest, and most secure Web browser available.'
http://www.opera.com/

Sorry, but if you want good security, you use proxy servers. And good trusted ones only.


One within 100 miles of where you live. Nothing from asia!!! i can not stress that enough!

[jaanus]

OOHH! Alright. My bad.

I do like the idea of a text based broswer though. but sometimes, I just like the images...

No problem, it really seemed like an attempt from my side to be sarcastic (again) laughing at the idea of text based browsers. This is not the case. Text based browsers serve their purpose. (handicapped people)

Anyone heard about text based text editors? Vi is one of them. I just had to say this, As if text based browsers were not weird enough :)

Also there are text based MMORPG's which became very popular in the beginning of 90's. Unfortunately our youth has become illiterate since the arrival of World of Warcraft, Halflife etc

If anyone would be interested, I could introduce to one of these games I play myself.

[jaanus]

I think it is worth mentioning that you should be able to change preferences of any modern browser so that it would block images and thus browsing would be a bit faster. Very useful feature on cellphone browsers when you have to pay for the amount of data downloaded (images are downloaded automatically by the browser if it is not turned off) or simply if you don't want to wait for the pictures to download due to low connection speed or if you know what these pictures are going to be.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

No problem, it really seemed like an attempt from my side to be sarcastic (again) laughing at the idea of text based browsers. This is not the case. Text based browsers serve their purpose. (handicapped people)

Anyone heard about text based text editors? Vi is one of them. I just had to say this, As if text based browsers were not weird enough :)

Also there are text based MMORPG's which became very popular in the beginning of 90's. Unfortunately our youth has become illiterate since the arrival of World of Warcraft, Halflife etc

If anyone would be interested, I could introduce to one of these games I play myself.
I've never played a text based MMORPG, but I've seen them before. Some of them just have pictures, and you need to type in text of what needs to happen next.

Pretty neat, imo. However, I think it's not that people have become illiterate, but rather, they want graphics. They don't care about reading..

BTW, off topic, funniest thing I've read about illiteracy.
Wireless internet may very well destroy our chances of contacting intelligent life.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=aliens URL

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/alien15.gif

LOL!! I love this guy sometimes, really.

[jaanus]

I hope we will be forgiven for going a bit off-topic. Oh well. Anyway you're right about that. Text based programs have not lost their popularity due to illiterate people, but to programs which have more eye candy in them, even though they are slower, require a better hardware, internet connection and so forth.

What is so great about text-based MMORPG's is that you can imagine most of the things that take place and you can roleplay. Sometimes there are pictures in an ascii form. I think a little demonstration will be in handy.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/162/screenshot1sp8.th.png (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1sp8.png)

Please forgive me not for editing this image - cruel, lazy leftbrainer as I am :)

text commands like ("s" - abbreviation of "south", "l" - abbreviation of "look", "map" etc) are inserted at the bottom of the screen. you can see the map being displayed at the left and the description of the room at the right.

| road
y field
= bridge
r river
. plains
h hill
etc

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I hope we will be forgiven for going a bit off-topic. Oh well. Anyway you're right about that. Text based programs have not lost their popularity due to illiterate people, but to programs which have more eye candy in them, even though they are slower, require a better hardware, internet connection and so forth.

What is so great about text-based MMORPG's is that you can imagine most of the things that take place and you can roleplay. Sometimes there are pictures in an ascii form. I think a little demonstration will be in handy.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/162/screenshot1sp8.th.png (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1sp8.png)

Please forgive me not for editing this image - cruel, lazy leftbrainer as I am :)

No need. I think text based is quite nice. Personally though, I'm just use to using normal web browsers. Nice OS though ;)... Too bad I'm still using windows at the moment. I need to for certain project for work. Plus alittle project of my own.

But back to the topic. I still think it's not the web browser that should be considered, but rather how you go on the internet. Like I said, the best thing is safety. So either really good anti-virus(Panda, is my choice) with a very good firewall is safe. But, you can also use proxies. Although it might be abit slower, you can still surf safely.

[pumma]

Fastest most reliable etc, pros and cons. And free.

Firefox
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/firefox.jpg
Pros: Great performance and feature set.
Cons: No hugely innovative features (like Flock) - so arguably not distinct enough from IE7.
Faceoff bottom line: I think that Firefox is going to continue narrowing IE's lead, but await with interest the next major version!

Site: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/


Safari
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/safari.jpg
Pros: Simple, relatively fast, good RSS support.
Cons: Lacks web service integrations and productivity features.
Faceoff bottom line: It's a clean and simple web 1.0 browser, but needs a major feature boost in order to be a contender even on the Mac.

Site: http://www.apple.com/safari/


Opera
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/opera.jpg
Pros: Rich feature set, RSS integration, fast.
Cons: Lacks coolness factor of Firefox, not as well known - but maybe an unfair comparison since Firefox is open source.
Faceoff bottom line: I can see why fans like this browser, but a bigger future depends on spicing it up and poring in the marketing dollars.

Site: http://www.opera.com/


Flock
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/flock.jpg
Pros: del.icio.us and Flickr integrations, built in blog editor, RSS reader, cool UI.
Cons: Cloned Firefox code base, making it more work to make compatible add-ons.
Faceoff bottom line: Great productivity browser for web 2.0

Site: http://www.flock.com/


Maxthon
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/maxthon.jpg
Pros: Impressive integration with the latest web 2.0 services.
Cons: Too many features, lacks coolness factor, slow.
Faceoff bottom line: Need to apply Occam's Razor (i.e. make it simpler), but definitely could be a contender because of solid service integration.

Site: http://www.maxthon.com/

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What are you talking about FireFox doesn't have an RSS feature. I've got one.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=pumma;109606]
Firefox
http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/faceoffs/firefox.jpg
Pros: Great performance and feature set.
Cons: No built-in RSS reader, no hugely innovative features (like Flock) - so arguably not distinct enough from IE7.
Faceoff bottom line: I think that Firefox is going to continue narrowing IE's lead, but await with interest the next major version!

Site: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

I had an update a few weeks ago, could this be what you've been waiting for.

[pumma]

What are you talking about FireFox doesn't have an RSS feature. I've got one.
Thanks for correcting me ;)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

No problem.

[jaanus]

Even if firefox lacked the RSS there are plenty of add-ons to choose from which provide this feature.

[pumma]

... there are plenty of add-ons to choose from which provide this feature.

Agree, there are plenty off addons that can just make your Browser a more powerful tool. I peronaly use Swiftfox (an optimized build of Mozilla Firefox) and it's Linux only :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I like this pluggin they have. Tabrenameizer. It's fucking sweet. Basically, when you are looking at different sites with different tabs, when you go to a different tabs, it makes it look like the other tabs are different sites.

[jaanus]

Agree, there are plenty off addons that can just make your Browser a more powerful tool. I peronaly use Swiftfox (an optimized build of Mozilla Firefox) and it's Linux only :D

Oh I think I'm left behind. I need to check this out. Firefox has become a real monster with its large codebase. All I need is its firebug extension. can't live without it and since Swiftfox is an optimized build of firefox and I'm using linux...perfect :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What types of linux do you guys use?

I've personally (in the past) have used Mandrake and SuSe quiet often. With abit of Whoppix to impress friends :P

By the way. In your opinion, do you think FireFox is the best web browser for linux, or just use the standards? (keeping on subject.... <_< >_> <_< )

[kblood]

I prefer the Norwegian browser called Opera first and foremost. I have Firefox and Internet Explorer as well, but only as backup. If I were to use Firefox, I would simply have to get alot of addons for it, to have it match Opera better.

---- Opera

pros: Loads webpages fast, very nice tabbed browsing, can block banners on webpages(takes a bit of programming though), mouse gestures (controlling the browser with fancy mouse moves :) ), Very nice bookmarks system, very nice pop-up blocker, built in download manager that works very well with most places. With this I mean that it can resume downloads that fails for some reason. Also it is alot faster to do downloads than IE, and Firefox is simply annoying when it comes to downloading.
I love its tabbed browsing as well. Fancy and good for having 10-20 pages open at the same time. In IE I do think that it would take 30 min every time I opened that browser if I had that number of webpages opened on startup.

- cons: A few webpages might not show properly in Opera. So about 1 webpage out of 20 there might be the need of Internet Explorer or Firefox. Opera gets updates just about every month though, so usually these problems are fixed as they are found.
Also Opera takes some getting used to I guess. Hard to say after using it for so long.

---- Internet Explorer:
Pros:
Can view all homepages (should be able to at least).
Is catching up with all those functions that Firefox and Opera has had for years.
Some pages simply seem to only want Internet Explorer as the browser to make them viewable.
IE is good at working with other Microsoft programs like Outlook, MS Office programs and so on. That is a given I guess. Do not know how big the difference is between IE and other browsers when it comes to this though.

Cons:
Just about every piece of spyware, virus, trojans and other kinds of hacks and cracks are aimed at Microsoft and especially Internet Explorer. To be able to avoid these, I guess you could just set the security high and read everything very carefully and click yes or no to each webpage about wether or not you trust it enough, and want to see its special features.
It is sooo sloooooow :( I dunno why it seems to have to load 200% more than Firefox and Opera, but it simply has alot more loading time, for no apparant reason. Makes me even more suspicious of what Internet Explorer is doing. Fast load times makes me feel safer ;)

--- Firefox:
Like Opera this browser is based on the same "core" as Mozilla. I cannot remember its name, but it seems quite efficient.

Pros:
It is a good fast and stable browser. Is easy to download and install, and it should have 1000 of mods to custimize it with. It should be able to do everything that Internet Explorer can do and Opera can do. It might just need a few mods to be able to do so. Therefore it is faster at starting up than the other browser... or so I suspect it does. It got the most basic features that I deem minimum for a webbrowser to be usefull without causing headaches :p

Cons:
Download manager :( Omg the default one annoys me through my skull. It simply puts all downloads in some set folder. I like how Opera instead downloads to a temp folder, when you click download, and then simply moves it to the folder you assign it to, when you choose where to put the file. Therefore Firefoxes "boxed in" way of having to download annoys me quite alot. Every time I use Firefox, I regret it when I need to download something :o
That said, I guess it is the only thing I really find annoying with Firefox. Maybe when I have tried it some more, I will find more cons to it, but everyone else who has tried it, seems to like it alot.



Conclusion:
As you might have noticed I like Opera alot, hate Internet Explorer for all kinds of reasons and bad experiences and Firefox is something I can only recommend trying because it is like a "mini opera" without all the fancy mods that you might never use anyway.

[kblood]

And without trying to sound like a sleaky sales person :) :
Opera is a free browser. Not opensource but has become funded by some companies in Norway I think or somewhere else. Therefore they are keeping it going on whatever their users feels they deserve.
I use Opera since it simply makes my overall Internet experience feel less annoying. It feels like the browsing is smoother, but it has alot to do with me being very used to it of course. What made me stick with Opera was how it always seems to have very good ways of handling stuff like: Downloads, mods, pop-up blocking, e-mail (dunno if it is any good), tabbed browsing, bookmarks, search engines, banner blocking, streaming content always seems to run quite well (can be a bit buggy there), built in torrent manager (I recommend using one outside opera though, I turned it off) and a very nice RSS manger as well :)

I could go on and on about opera. It has visual themes as well and all kinds of fancy customizable settings. Oh yes, nice zooming in and out options as well. Should work on most homepages that arent 100% interactive.

[jaanus]

What types of linux do you guys use?

I've personally (in the past) have used Mandrake and SuSe quiet often. With abit of Whoppix to impress friends :P

By the way. In your opinion, do you think FireFox is the best web browser for linux, or just use the standards? (keeping on subject.... <_< >_> <_< )

I have been a big Ubuntu fan all along since it first came out and took the first place in the http://www.distrowatch.org (http://www.distrowatch.org/)
Couple of years now.

Before that I used Gentoo. I decided to swich to Ubuntu because many packages under Gentoos package manager (Portage) were broken. It has never happened to me with Ubuntu package manager (Synaptic)...yet :)

Ubuntu is Debian based and Debian uses the same package manager (vice versa would be more correct - Ubuntu uses debian's package manager)

I have had some minor problems with Ubuntu after upgrading from one version to the next. The major one I'm currently battling is that my video card drivers went berserk after the last upgrade and nobody seems to know why or how to fix it. Now here I am with fallback drivers and 800x600 resolution :(

I got my first debian based distro when I first got the CD linux called Knoppix, which I installed on the hard drive.

Another good distros for ordinary people are (Open)Suse and Mandrake

[reptilianshapeshifter]

When you download something, it chooses the best suited program for it. Also, it saves all the things you downloaded into one window. You can easily erase, or just open it from there. But, if you save anything, it's easier to see where it's going, and to change it aswell.


I really hate it when people give a pros cons list on things they obviously don't know how to configure. All these things are simple to change to the user's need yet you seem to be advising someone away from it because of the way it's configured on your computer that you don't seem to know how to change.

My choice of browser is Firefox but I recommend anything but IE.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I have been a big Ubuntu fan all along since it first came out and took the first place in the http://www.didtrowatch.org (http://www.didtrowatch.org/)
Couple of years now.

Before that I used Gentoo. I decided to swich to Ubuntu because many packages under Gentoos package manager (Portage) were broken. It has never happened to me with Ubuntu package manager (Synaptic)...yet :)

Ubuntu is Debian based and Debian uses the same package manager (vice versa would be more correct - Ubuntu uses debian's package manager)

I have had some minor problems with Ubuntu after upgrading from one version to the next. The major one I'm currently battling is that my video card drivers went berserk after the last upgrade and nobody seems to know why or how to fix it. Now here I am with fallback drivers and 800x600 resolution :(

I got my first debian based distro when I first got the CD linux called Knoppix, which I installed on the hard drive.

Another good distros for ordinary people are (Open)Suse and Mandrake

I think anybody who used linux for the first time used Knoppix. I liked it because I didn't have to install it onto my harddrive, so allowed to me to get to know linux, and be able to game normally afterwards. :p

However, if you are a gamer, then Linux is not for you. SURE! You could use cedega or xine, but installing programs on linux(atleast in the past) is a real bitch. A further note. an OS that is made for a pc, and has an easy install is PCBSD. Honestly, very easy to install, and to install other programs. it uses a utl that is similar to windows .exe files. And although it's for a pc, you can still use it for server purposes by opening up the ports with a very simple command.

Only con(and biggest in my opinion) is that it doesn't give you much choice on it's installation. It just asks you where, and that's it. Pretty shitty if you ask me.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I really hate it when people give a pros cons list on things they obviously don't know how to configure. All these things are simple to change to the user's need yet you seem to be advising someone away from it because of the way it's configured on your computer that you don't seem to know how to change.

My choice of browser is Firefox but I recommend anything but IE.

What are you talking about?

i know how to configure my firefox. I know how to configure all the programs on my computer. And of course it's a matter of personal need. We are just giving our personal opinions on expierence. :confused:

[jaanus]

I must agree with kblood - indeed Opera is now a very fancy browser. Couple of years ago after they had lost some of their market-share to the firefox, the people behind Opera decided to remove these annoying embedded banners from the Opera browser and I see no reason why Opera shouldn't be at the top now. There is no difference to the typical user if the code is distributed freely or not. A typical user in this context is a person who has no time or knowledge to change the programming code of the browser (say 99.9% ?).

[soglad]

Firefox is where it's at guys :cool:

[pumma]

Oh I think I'm left behind. I need to check this out. Firefox has become a real monster with its large codebase. All I need is its firebug extension. can't live without it and since Swiftfox is an optimized build of firefox and I'm using linux...perfect :)
There are other alternatives too ...
What types of linux do you guys use?

I've personally (in the past) have used Mandrake and SuSe quiet often. With abit of Whoppix to impress friends :P

By the way. In your opinion, do you think FireFox is the best web browser for linux, or just use the standards? (keeping on subject.... <_< >_> <_< )
I use Ubuntu (at the moment) ... also been involved in nUbuntu (simiar to Whoppix) project years ago... Anyway Mandrake is now called Mandriva that is in 2 verisons > Free version and Commercial version (...only Silver and Gold members who pay get all of the goods). As for SuSe (Software und System Entwicklung) is now caled openSUSE and was acquired by Novell, Inc. in late 2003. Then 3 years later > Novell's patent deal with Microsoft in November 2006 ... Also in 2 major commercial and free versions ...

As for the browser question ... It depends on a user what he does. I'm a GNOME user and prefer Swiftfox, IceWeasel and Opera > stable, secure, fast, sexy, reliable, wait did I say fast? ... :D

[jaanus]

I think anybody who used linux for the first time used Knoppix. I liked it because I didn't have to install it onto my harddrive, so allowed to me to get to know linux, and be able to game normally afterwards. :p

However, if you are a gamer, then Linux is not for you. SURE! You could use cedega or xine, but installing programs on linux(atleast in the past) is a real bitch. A further note. an OS that is made for a pc, and has an easy install is PCBSD. Honestly, very easy to install, and to install other programs. it uses a utl that is similar to windows .exe files. And although it's for a pc, you can still use it for server purposes by opening up the ports with a very simple command.

Only con(and biggest in my opinion) is that it doesn't give you much choice on it's installation. It just asks you where, and that's it. Pretty shitty if you ask me.

If I had more hard-drive space on this lousy laptop (only 9G), I would have both Windows for windows gaming and Linux for linux gaming and working as I have had on previous computers. Actually I have to say no to the Windows on this machine, because it would be still a lousy laptop for gaming even if I had more disk space.

There is really no excuse for me not to use Linux :)

Oh and there are lots of cons about windows you just are not aware of. The biggest con of the windows is that it tries to think for yourself and do things for you. This is a real headache for those who know exactly what they want.

Windows serves its purpose only to those who are lazy, not very computer literate, don't want to try new things(computer illiterate and lazy), don't want to learn(computer illiterate and lazy again).

You can't have a highly configurable operation system which would be simple. Simple operation systems are those which do things for you without further prompting.

The same goes for browsers (On topic again :) ). Opera and Firefox are ones you can configure if you're computer literate enough. Internet Explorer is the opposite of that (for example vague security levels: high, medium...you don't really know what they mean or don't want to know if you're lazy)

PS Xine is a program under linux for watching films not for gaming
I'm pretty sure you wanted to say Wine, which is the window emulator under Linux. I use wine to emulate Internet Explorers on my box. Cedega is pretty awesome as well, lets you easily install about any decent game on your computer and play it. There is a comprehensive list all the games that should work with cedega on their webpage: http://www.transgaming.com (http://www.transgaming.com/)

[jaanus]

As for the browser question ... It depends on a user what he does. I'm a GNOME user and prefer Swiftfox, IceWeasel and Opera > stable, secure, fast, sexy, reliable, wait did I say fast? ... :D

If I dind't know anything about the browsers I would laugh my ass off after getting these names like: Firefox, IseWeasel, Swiftfox etc :)

[jaanus]

For the people who are concerned about security, there is a firefox add-on available called NoScript, which basically blocks scripts on pages you don't trust.

[cf24]

I've been using firefox for the last few years and have occasionally gone back to ie when the new version came out, but changed back to the fox. Easy to use, lots of add ons, i like it.....:D

[thirdwave]

I think firefox was really good, but after my BIOS on my laptop updated ...every time i use firefox it has random freezes every time i load a page....

So I then went to Opera.. which I think is just as good if not better, but it does seem to have problems with some sights that only work with IE ..firefox gets around this but Opera does not appear to... also I accidentally deleted the address bar at the top and could not work out how to get it back so i was then forced to use IE.

To be honest IE has been very good with no problems, especially with the google ad ons.. spell checker and stuff....... and when i hear people say its bad because it Microsoft... I don't particualy trust the others either.... anything that works on Microsoft windows has to be hand in hand somewhere along the line....

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Right now I have to use IE because my girlfriend needed somethings on her pc, and I left my laptop at another place...


Anyways, I think the future will be with linux. the only thing I'm affraid of, is that it will become close sourced. that's the one fucking thing I'm affraid of.

Ubuntu will be the one on demand, but for a price.

[jaanus]

Right now I have to use IE because my girlfriend needed somethings on her pc, and I left my laptop at another place...


Anyways, I think the future will be with linux. the only thing I'm affraid of, is that it will become close sourced. that's the one fucking thing I'm affraid of.

Ubuntu will be the one on demand, but for a price.

Yeah, the free software is in danger if the EU manages to push through the law which enables software patents. Fortunately there have been enough sane individuals and small enterprises who have done a great job opposing this so called "reform". This is yet another law, which benefits big corporations like Microsoft, IBM etc. No wonder why there are software patents already in US. They say EU has to follow simply because the great America already has this kind of a law.

So basically they are saying: "Look! he has a cancer, why don't you?".

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Yeah, the free software is in danger if the EU manages to push through the law which enables software patents. Fortunately there have been enough sane individuals and small enterprises who have done a great job opposing this so called "reform". This is yet another law, which benefits big corporations like Microsoft, IBM etc. No wonder why there are software patents already in US. They say EU has to follow simply because the great America already has this kind of a law.

So basically they are saying: "Look! he has a cancer, why don't you?".

I know exactly what you mean. Europeans really need to stand up against this bullshit! Seriously, it only benifits the rich, and no one else. And these people just don't get it, or are too lazy to get it.

No place is safe anymore... :( Not even my own laptop... :(

[thirdwave]

I'm using "Flock" now and I have to say its very similar to firefox.... works great... gona use it for now and see how it goes...

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I'm using "Flock" now and I have to say its very similar to firefox.... works great... gona use it for now and see how it goes...

Haven't heard of that. What's it like so far?

[thirdwave]

its very much like firefox... seems very quick and in the hour i have used it no crashes of glitches... has its own front page and stuff you like it and an optional media thing you can use to save your best media links..

[kashmirz]

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7908/firefoxgirlto1.jpg

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I tryed Flock out last night.

Now, this is pretty cool. Only; I'm not into the whole "social networking" scene.

It's great if you have a blog and youtube and such, because you can literally copy and paste videos and such. It goes straight into your youtube account to see your favourite videos. And, as they showed in the demo, if you see something you like on another site, you can blog is right then and there. Without having to switch open another tab or anything.

But like I said, I'm not into the whole social networking scene. And frankly, although it's easier for social networking, I have to raise the safety question.

It saves everything like that... How safe is it then?

I'm not one to sit there and white hat it, so I'll leave that to professinals.. Besides, I have my own little projects to work on.

[kblood]

Yeah, the free software is in danger if the EU manages to push through the law which enables software patents. Fortunately there have been enough sane individuals and small enterprises who have done a great job opposing this so called "reform". This is yet another law, which benefits big corporations like Microsoft, IBM etc. No wonder why there are software patents already in US. They say EU has to follow simply because the great America already has this kind of a law.

So basically they are saying: "Look! he has a cancer, why don't you?".

I agree with that. Making a honest living as a software developer is becomming near impossible. It just makes big companies earn alot of money buy sueing small firms to bankruptsy and earning back some of the money they lost themselves on going to court, in other lawsuits. The global enterprises really seem to force each other to have an army of lawyers, and then they seem to use them in any possible event that might benefit them.

I hope they learn to control themselves...

Oh, and btw: Go Opera :D Download it, install it, try it, love it... go to Internet browsing heaven :D (Yea I know, I am overdoing it :o )

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Personally, I think enterprise should be illegal. In software, and just about anything else.

Little people have some big bright ideas, but why do it in the name of "The Conglamourate!!" when you could do it for yourself?