Irish Referendum Vote...

[elysiumfire]

Today, the Irish go to the polls for the second referendum to ratify Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8285849.stm

Personally, I think it is already a done deal, it will be 'Yes' all the way. A powerful campaign by businesses will have seen to dissuade people from voting 'no', and with the application of manufactured economic pressure from businesses, people who would want to vote no will now be seeing that if they did, they would suffer economically even more. Holding principles to uphold freedom and liberty for all may indeed be a noble virtue, but it doesn't pay the bills or feed the kids!

As the article states in the eighth paragraph, Parliament has already ratified the EU without giving a referendum to the people of the UK...if this was not an act of dictatorship, I don't know what is!

[kde_]

hope it's a no, but it will be back again anyways...

[liltza]

ive got £25 on it being "no"!

[dolores1]

ive got £25 on it being "no"!

Stick to your guns, No all the way.

[jsosic]

Please can someone from Ireland keep us informed about the exit polls?

[free_soul]

Were counting on you ireland, show them you wont back down

[fratoue]

I was handing out loads of vote no flyers lastnight on Grafton Street when a guy from fm104 radio asked me why I wanted a No vote. I told him to stop a centralised European fascist federation dictating to Europe and to stop or at least slow down the Illuminati takeover of this Island. Needless to say his face was priceless as he probably never heard of this stuff before but it was nice for me to see the stunned look on his face!

[alpha]

i was handing out loads of vote no flyers lastnight on grafton street when a guy from fm104 radio asked me why i wanted a no vote. I told him to stop a centralised european fascist federation dictating to europe and to stop or at least slow down the illuminati takeover of this island. Needless to say his face was priceless as he probably never heard of this stuff before but it was nice for me to see the stunned look on his face!

fuckin ace!!!!!:d

[freckles]

Please can someone from Ireland keep us informed about the exit polls?

Will keep everyone informed as best I can anyways ;) Lets hope its a good turn out at the polls. It was very very quiet in there this morning.. ...

Boxes were sealed ;) :cool:

Spoke to the ladies checking the register about me not getting a polling card, they said I wasn't the first in not to have received one.. .. So, nicely asked them to be vigilant today especially.

Whatever happens now, the people are waking up!!

[diggers_1]

This is the latest news. Seems to be stating of slow.

Ireland goes to the polls on Lisbon Treaty
Friday, 2 October 2009 10:52
More than 3m people are eligible to vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum today.

Polling stations around Ireland opened at 7am. They will close tonight at 10pm.

Turn out nationwide

In Dublin city there was an average voter turnout of 4.4% by around 10am. The area includes six constiuencies in central Dublin and turnout so far ranged from a high of 6% in Sutton, Dublin North East, to a low of 2.5% in Ballymun, Dublin North West.

Several polling stations in Sligo are reporting a very slow start to voting - just 14 people out of 650 had voted in one booth by 9am in Tubbercurry.

Turnout in Cork city is estimated at around 5% so far.

In Co Kerry, the turnout in urban polling stations in Tralee and Killarney is estimated to be also at 5%.

Enda Kenny, TD, Fine Gael leader, cast his vote at 9.15am in his home town of Castlebar.

Voting is reported to be quiet since booths opened in Castlebar.

The highest turnout so far this morning has been in Offaly in Ferbane with 9% of votes cast. In Tullamore town 5% have voted.

In Longford town there has been a voter turnout of 6%, while in Granard 3.5% have voted.

People who have not received their polling cards are still entitled to vote once their name is on the electoral register and they have proof of identity.

Every person over 18, who is an Irish citizen and is on the Register of Electors can vote. (Check the register)

When a person goes to the polling station today they will be given one ballot paper and asked whether or not they approve of the proposal to amend the Constitution to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon. (Read the Treaty in English or Irish)

If voters approve of the proposal, they should mark X in the square beside Tá/Yes on the ballot paper, if they do not approve they should mark X in the square beside Nil/No.

If a voter has not received a polling card they should bring valid forms of identification, such as a passport, a driving licence, or an employee or student photo identity card, to the polling station.

Counting of votes will begin at 9am tomorrow morning.

[steevo]

I think that one reason that people vote "yes" is because the word "yes" is POSITIVE, and the word "no" is NEGATIVE. I have noticed that the referendum questions seem to be worded in such a way that the the "yes" option always favours what the PTB want. Psychology.

Anyway this should be enough to get the Irish people to vote "No" :-

Tony Blair 'on the brink of EU presidency' as Ireland votes on Lisbon Treaty

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217569/Ex-PM-Tony-Blair-said-brink-EU-presidency.html

[dangermouse]

I think that one reason that people vote "yes" is because the word "yes" is POSITIVE, and the word "no" is NEGATIVE. I have noticed that the referendum questions seem to be worded in such a way that the the "yes" option always favours what the PTB want. Psychology.

Anyway this should be enough to get the Irish people to vote "No" :-



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217569/Ex-PM-Tony-Blair-said-brink-EU-presidency.html

its going to be a hell of a lot closer than the MSM are letting on.

[diggers_1]

Some people went around my street early today and ripped down all my vote no posters I put up. What a bunch of do goody vote yes zombies

[liltza]

excuse my ignorance..... what/who is MSM?

[liltza]

Some people went around my street early today and ripped down all my vote no posters I put up. What a bunch od do goody zombies.

Put them up again

[diggers_1]

excuse my ignorance..... what/who is MSM?

Main Stream Media.
I put a few back up.

[redskywalker]

ireland
vote no
please

[hoffy]

I think that one reason that people vote "yes" is because the word "yes" is POSITIVE, and the word "no" is NEGATIVE. I have noticed that the referendum questions seem to be worded in such a way that the the "yes" option always favours what the PTB want. Psychology.

Anyway this should be enough to get the Irish people to vote "No" :-



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217569/Ex-PM-Tony-Blair-said-brink-EU-presidency.html

I just swallowed a bit of sick.

[mightiswrong]

Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the central region of China. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field. One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift.

Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see."

A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."

Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." The farmer said, "We'll see."

Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."

Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."

[hoffy]

its going to be a hell of a lot closer than the MSM are letting on.

I have an impending feeling of doom that it'll be yes, even if the majority vote no. It'll be rigged somehow.

Can anyone tell us, is it electronic voting USA rigging style?

[diggers_1]

I have an impending feeling of doom that it'll be yes, even if the majority vote no. It'll be rigged somehow.

Can anyone tell us, is it electronic voting USA rigging style?

No they dont use them. It ballot boxes. And they are all watched by the no side.

Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday – exit poll also to be arranged.
Cóir has said that its volunteers are making preparations to carefully monitor the second vote on the Lisbon Treaty referendum which will take place on Friday.
It has written to the Referendum Commission and the Department of the Environment outlining the actions that will be undertaken by Cóir members and supporters on Friday to ensure that every vote cast in the referendum is correctly accounted for and that the second vote on the treaty is absolutely free, fair and transparent.
On Friday, October 2nd, Cóir volunteers will visit every polling station in the country at the end of the day’s polling. They will count the number of polling boxes and confirm the number of votes cast in each polling station with the Returning Officer. Those totals will be checked against the total of votes counted the next day in each count centre. Cóir will also ensure that the seal on each polling box will only be broken before witnesses at the outset of the count the next day.
Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said that the measure was a “simple, yet 100% effective, means of ensuring the referendum process was free of any error or interference”. He added that the undemocratic nature of forcing the Irish people to vote again on the Lisbon Treaty has prompted many concerned calls to the Cóir office regarding the security of the vote.
“We’ve seen a shocking disregard for the spirit, not only of SIPO legislation, but of the McKenna and Coughlan judgments, during this referendum,” said Mr Greene. “Millions are being spent by Yes campaigners and no-one is asking where it came from. The requirement for equal airtime for Yes and No campaigners has been set aside, and the EU Commission is funding Yes propaganda. It doesn’t inspire confidence.”
Mr Greene said that Cóir’s canvass on the ground was showing that the treaty could be rejected. “We’re taking these actions on Friday to ensure that how people actually vote is reflected in the result,” he said.
Please call Cóir on 01 8746858 to volunteer for monitoring – we need a co-ordinated and effective effort

[decim]

I have seen Nothing of the liesborn vote on the bbc today.

A news blackout on a monumental referendum which will create the 1st 'presidente' of the eu, does not bode well for our future.

[hadabusa]

I have seen Nothing of the liesborn vote on the bbc today.

A news blackout on a monumental referendum which will create the 1st 'presidente' of the eu, does not bode well for our future.

if itsa yes,id leave the country.

this is making me throwup.

bliar being catholic now is a super traitorous move too.

[manx angel]

Some people went around my street early today and ripped down all my vote no posters I put up. What a bunch of do goody vote yes zombies

Someone else reported the same a couple of days ago. Also 'lies' stickers being put on 'No' posters. Interesting how undemocratic these 'yes' sheep are.

[largejack]

I have seen Nothing of the liesborn vote on the bbc today.

A news blackout on a monumental referendum which will create the 1st 'presidente' of the eu, does not bode well for our future.

It's just been on the Ministry of Truth (sorry BBC) and they say it's pretty much a done deal with all the bookies backing a yes vote.

It's happening this time folks, we're going down! :(


Over to you Tony...

[zero1]

Someone else reported the same a couple of days ago. Also 'lies' stickers being put on 'No' posters. Interesting how undemocratic these 'yes' sheep are.

Across the road from my local Tescos there was a "No" poster defaced and torn down by the "Yes" camp, it had read "Vote No to EU Reich".

[decim]

It says alot about our demockracy that 'bookies' are the predeterminate factor in 'referenda' 'votes'.

Maybe we should consult bookies on all social & political issues.

What are the odds of corruption continuing in all aspects of our 'administrative bodies'?

[hoffy]

No they dont use them. It ballot boxes. And they are all watched by the no side.

Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday – exit poll also to be arranged.
Cóir has said that its volunteers are making preparations to carefully monitor the second vote on the Lisbon Treaty referendum which will take place on Friday.
It has written to the Referendum Commission and the Department of the Environment outlining the actions that will be undertaken by Cóir members and supporters on Friday to ensure that every vote cast in the referendum is correctly accounted for and that the second vote on the treaty is absolutely free, fair and transparent.
On Friday, October 2nd, Cóir volunteers will visit every polling station in the country at the end of the day’s polling. They will count the number of polling boxes and confirm the number of votes cast in each polling station with the Returning Officer. Those totals will be checked against the total of votes counted the next day in each count centre. Cóir will also ensure that the seal on each polling box will only be broken before witnesses at the outset of the count the next day.
Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said that the measure was a “simple, yet 100% effective, means of ensuring the referendum process was free of any error or interference”. He added that the undemocratic nature of forcing the Irish people to vote again on the Lisbon Treaty has prompted many concerned calls to the Cóir office regarding the security of the vote.
“We’ve seen a shocking disregard for the spirit, not only of SIPO legislation, but of the McKenna and Coughlan judgments, during this referendum,” said Mr Greene. “Millions are being spent by Yes campaigners and no-one is asking where it came from. The requirement for equal airtime for Yes and No campaigners has been set aside, and the EU Commission is funding Yes propaganda. It doesn’t inspire confidence.”
Mr Greene said that Cóir’s canvass on the ground was showing that the treaty could be rejected. “We’re taking these actions on Friday to ensure that how people actually vote is reflected in the result,” he said.
Please call Cóir on 01 8746858 to volunteer for monitoring – we need a co-ordinated and effective effort

Thanks for the reply...that sounds encouraging...

When is the final result due in?

[dangermouse]

Thanks for the reply...that sounds encouraging...

When is the final result due in?

probably have a fair idea by 6 pm and preliminary result by 9 id say (in time for the news :rolleyes:)

[refusetoconsent]

I have seen Nothing of the liesborn vote on the bbc today.

A news blackout on a monumental referendum which will create the 1st 'presidente' of the eu, does not bode well for our future.

When i went to check emails, yahoo top story RICHARD AND JUDY BACK ON THIS MORNING. Followed by THE HULL FOOTBALL TEAM SAVE SUICIDAL WOMEN. I presume if theres a yes vote and we wont hear the last of it, and with a no vote we just wont hear anything.

[hoffy]

probably have a fair idea by 6 pm and preliminary result by 9 id say (in time for the news :rolleyes:)

I am 6+ of GMT so going to have sleep on the result...COME ON NO!

[ben black]

Please can someone from Ireland keep us informed about the exit polls?

From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8285849.stm) website:


"Around three million Irish citizens are eligible to vote on Friday. There will be no exit polling during the day, but turnout estimates will be known once polls close."



Now - why would that be? To cover up how many actual NO votes there are?

[hadabusa]

It says alot about our demockracy that 'bookies' are the predeterminate factor in 'referenda' 'votes'.

Maybe we should consult bookies on all social & political issues.

What are the odds of corruption continuing in all aspects of our 'administrative bodies'?

1:1

[breezinreezin]

What more incentive do you want?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/08/blair300.jpg

[refusetoconsent]

is that the flesh of a young child between his teeth?

[celtic isis]

I was handing out loads of vote no flyers lastnight on Grafton Street when a guy from fm104 radio asked me why I wanted a No vote. I told him to stop a centralised European fascist federation dictating to Europe and to stop or at least slow down the Illuminati takeover of this Island. Needless to say his face was priceless as he probably never heard of this stuff before but it was nice for me to see the stunned look on his face!

haha! well done!!

I hope it'll be a NO, i know my brother has been doing his bit for a No over there, with his workmates and all...omg will the result be tonight? My heart will just sink if it's a yes.

:confused::(

[celtic isis]

is that the flesh of a young child between his teeth?

hahahaha! :D

thanks for the lol dude!

[celtic isis]

I think that one reason that people vote "yes" is because the word "yes" is POSITIVE, and the word "no" is NEGATIVE. I have noticed that the referendum questions seem to be worded in such a way that the the "yes" option always favours what the PTB want. Psychology.



well spotted steevo :)

[duckandcover]

Not a goddamn sniff of it on sky news , such an important story that could have an effect on 27 countries and theyve put bagpuss on their top stories :confused::rolleyes:

[decim]

Exit poll

· Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday
· Dana urges No vote
· National Platform shows the Referendum Commission campaign seriously skewed for Yes



Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday – exit poll also to be arranged.
Cóir has said that its volunteers are making preparations to carefully monitor the second vote on the Lisbon Treaty referendum which will take place on Friday.
It has written to the Referendum Commission and the Department of the Environment outlining the actions that will be undertaken by Cóir members and supporters on Friday to ensure that every vote cast in the referendum is correctly accounted for and that the second vote on the treaty is absolutely free, fair and transparent.
On Friday, October 2nd, Cóir volunteers will visit every polling station in the country at the end of the day’s polling. They will count the number of polling boxes and confirm the number of votes cast in each polling station with the Returning Officer. Those totals will be checked against the total of votes counted the next day in each count centre. Cóir will also ensure that the seal on each polling box will only be broken before witnesses at the outset of the count the next day.
Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said that the measure was a “simple, yet 100% effective, means of ensuring the referendum process was free of any error or interference”. He added that the undemocratic nature of forcing the Irish people to vote again on the Lisbon Treaty has prompted many concerned calls to the Cóir office regarding the security of the vote.
“We’ve seen a shocking disregard for the spirit, not only of SIPO legislation, but of the McKenna and Coughlan judgments, during this referendum,” said Mr Greene. “Millions are being spent by Yes campaigners and no-one is asking where it came from. The requirement for equal airtime for Yes and No campaigners has been set aside, and the EU Commission is funding Yes propaganda. It doesn’t inspire confidence.”
Mr Greene said that Cóir’s canvass on the ground was showing that the treaty could be rejected. “We’re taking these actions on Friday to ensure that how people actually vote is reflected in the result,” he said.
Please call Cóir on 01 8746858 to volunteer for monitoring – we need a co-ordinated and effective effort

[celtic isis]

Not a goddamn sniff of it on sky news , such an important story that could have an effect on 27 countries and theyve put bagpuss on their top stories :confused::rolleyes:

typical of slynews :)

i bet they'll skim over it tonight when it's announced...fuck me i'll be a nervous wreck waiting for the result...

ah fuck so we won't know until tomorrow?? DAMN!!

[decim]

exit poll also to be arranged

· Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday
· Dana urges No vote
· National Platform shows the Referendum Commission campaign seriously skewed for Yes



Cóir says its volunteers will carefully monitor polling on Friday – exit poll also to be arranged.
Cóir has said that its volunteers are making preparations to carefully monitor the second vote on the Lisbon Treaty referendum which will take place on Friday.
It has written to the Referendum Commission and the Department of the Environment outlining the actions that will be undertaken by Cóir members and supporters on Friday to ensure that every vote cast in the referendum is correctly accounted for and that the second vote on the treaty is absolutely free, fair and transparent.
On Friday, October 2nd, Cóir volunteers will visit every polling station in the country at the end of the day’s polling. They will count the number of polling boxes and confirm the number of votes cast in each polling station with the Returning Officer. Those totals will be checked against the total of votes counted the next day in each count centre. Cóir will also ensure that the seal on each polling box will only be broken before witnesses at the outset of the count the next day.
Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said that the measure was a “simple, yet 100% effective, means of ensuring the referendum process was free of any error or interference”. He added that the undemocratic nature of forcing the Irish people to vote again on the Lisbon Treaty has prompted many concerned calls to the Cóir office regarding the security of the vote.
“We’ve seen a shocking disregard for the spirit, not only of SIPO legislation, but of the McKenna and Coughlan judgments, during this referendum,” said Mr Greene. “Millions are being spent by Yes campaigners and no-one is asking where it came from. The requirement for equal airtime for Yes and No campaigners has been set aside, and the EU Commission is funding Yes propaganda. It doesn’t inspire confidence.”
Mr Greene said that Cóir’s canvass on the ground was showing that the treaty could be rejected. “We’re taking these actions on Friday to ensure that how people actually vote is reflected in the result,” he said.
Please call Cóir on 01 8746858 to volunteer for monitoring – we need a co-ordinated and effective effort

[duckandcover]

Tomorrow evening by the looks of things, gotta give them time to shred a few "NO" votes ;)

[celtic isis]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7254/article121756906abed1d0.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/article121756906abed1d0.jpg/)


just LOLing at this photo in steevo's previous link...

omg how can Ireland have such an ugly PM! I mean...this pic is hiarious, if it wasn't for the smug evil pork faced mushes of these people..and of course, the customary crucifix in the background on the wall...placed upon a map of the world...shudder :(

And it looks like they're in a school as well...groan...

[wizer]

Dublin defies trend with strong Lisbon turnout

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1002/breaking1.htm


"Turnout was reported to be“very low” in Cork city and county, averaging about 5 per cent earlier. Voting in Limerick was also said to be low, with turnout running at between 4 per cent and 9 per cent by mid-morning."

"Counting of votes will begin tomorrow at 9am and the official result is expected in the early evening."

"Over three million people are entitled to vote in the referendum."

[endlessvista]

Dublin is where all the undecided voters are. Should be interesting how this turns out.

[largejack]

What more incentive do you want?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/08/blair300.jpg

I know this is as a serious issue as they come breezinreezin but I'm currently ROFLing at that picture :D:D:D:eek:

Clearly a revived and refreshed ex-pm then? Just can't wait to get into his new role.

By the way has anyone ever watched The Shining ?? And I'm not on about his gold tooth either.

[w1dg3t]

looks like it will be yes.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2664946/Irish-citizens-vote-again-on-Lisbon-Treaty.html

[simplysimon]

looks like it will be yes.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2664946/Irish-citizens-vote-again-on-Lisbon-Treaty.html

Interesting quote at the end of that article. "If the money is right the vote counting tomorrow should be a formality".

It's not about money though is it :)

[decim]

There's a few here shilling for the foregone MSM 'predicted' yes vote.

[worlds beyond]

my, they did a good job of airbrushing out his pair of horns.

What more incentive do you want?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/08/blair300.jpg

[sukyspook]

I was hanging around online, as usual (note to self, get a life) and I thought I'd visit Jim Corr's site to see if there was anything about the vote on 'the day'....

I thought I'd vote in the online poll: "how would you vote on the Lisbon Treaty 2nd time".

Of course, I voted NO.

Here are the figures at 1555 today (1655 English time):

http://www.jimcorr.com/index.php?option=com_poll&id=18:how-would-you-vote-on-the-lisbon-treaty-this-time-around

Whilst the numbers of voters aren't great - but it's a bit of +ve input in these trying times.

Love to all who are voting today - and to everyone else who wants to see the return of compassionate humanity on this planet.

[diamond dogs]

I'm sorry to say guys it's a done deal...Here's the latest from Paddypower (they know the result)


Second Time Lucky? Hide

Singles Only.
Applies to the re-run of the Lisbon Treaty Referendum 2nd October 2009.
Yes 1/25
No 8/1

[milone]

WTF???? when does NO not mean No??? this is o fascist its not even funny!!!!!!!!! The "fix" is obviously in.....god help Ireland

[sub x]

I'm sorry to say guys it's a done deal...Here's the latest from Paddypower (they know the result)


Second Time Lucky? Hide

Singles Only.
Applies to the re-run of the Lisbon Treaty Referendum 2nd October 2009.
Yes 1/25
No 8/1

Paddypowers got it wrong last time too,so I wouldn't be holding any weight in that,according to the MSM polls it was lost weeks ago,there is nothing set in stone.

[yozhik]

We still have hope ... Czech Republic could hold out for us.

[pipsicle]

I seem to remember the media tried to claim a "yes" vote was a foregone conclusion last time round... not only here but in France too. They did everything in their power to make the voters feel there was no alternative.

Could they be employing the same cynical tactic here?

[decim]

If you look down the right hand side of the page here (http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/lisbon2009/) at the Latest TNS mrbi poll, select May 29, it shows a 54% NO.

In 6 months we are to believe such a sea-change?

[diamond dogs]

Paddypowers got it wrong last time too,so I wouldn't be holding any weight in that,according to the MSM polls it was lost weeks ago,there is nothing set in stone.


I wouldn't 'bet on it' here is the % result betting

%

Yes Vote % Friday 2nd October 2009, 18:00 Yes Vote % fav 60-65%

Singles Only. Applies to the % of valid yes votes for the Lisbon Treaty referendum on Oct 2nd 2009.
50% or Under 8/1


50.01% - 55% 5/1

55.01% - 60% 11/4

60.01% - 65% 5/4

65.01% - 70% 5/2

70.01% - 75% 9/1

Over 75% 25/1

top

Betfair offering 12/1

[sukyspook]

If you look down the right hand side of the page here (http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/lisbon2009/) at the Latest TNS mrbi poll, select May 29, it shows a 54% NO.

In 6 months we are to believe such a sea-change?

IMO this will be a NO vote or I'll eat my hat....as I haven't had a hat for donkey's years I don't intend to start wearing or eating one now!!

Even if the vote is 'yes' - which will be a fix, this isn't the end for TRUTH AND COMPASSIONATE JUSTICE - it's the beginning of the end for 'them'.

Do not despair whatever happens.

YOU AND I KNOW THAT TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!! and everything that 'they' throw at us only wakes more of us up to how we've all been H A D.

Love and peace to all - including 'them'!
Suke
xx

[zero1]

I voted. There was next-to-no-one at the polling station mid-afternoon, but I got a bad feeling about it, the smell of "Yes" money was in the air. Let the chips fall where they may, now...

[diggers_1]

I voted. There was next-to-no-one at the polling station mid-afternoon, but I got a bad feeling about it, the smell of "Yes" money was in the air. Let the chips fall where they may, now...

Yes I kind of got the same feeling but then I was thinking on the way home that more people would got out to vote no rather than yes.

And from your words

Joseph Goebbels: I feel no sympathy. I repeat, I feel no sympathy! The German people chose their fate. That may surprise some people. Don't fool yourself. We didn't force the German people. They gave us a mandate, and now their little throats are being cut!

[diggers_1]

latest news

RTE NEWs

Voting slow in Lisbon referendum
Friday, 2 October 2009 17:24
Turnout is reported to be low in some parts of Ireland as voting takes place in the second Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

More than 3m people are eligible to vote in the referendum.

Polling stations around Ireland opened at 7am and will close tonight at 10pm.

Turnout is reported to be high in Dublin but voting is said to be slow in other parts of the country, especially compared to last year's vote.

Many polling stations are expecting a late surge this evening before polls close.

Among the first to vote was President Mary McAleese, who cast her ballot in St Mary's Hospital in the Phoenix Park.

The Taoiseach, joined by his wife Mary, cast his vote at Mucklagh National School Co Offaly this morning. There were a number of members of national and international press present.

Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny cast his vote at 9.15am in his home town of Castlebar, while Labour leader Eamon Gilmore cast his ballot in Scoil Mhuire on Shanganagh Road in Shankill.

Sinn Féin's Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin cast his vote at St Patrick's Hall in Monaghan town this morning.

Socialist Party MEP for Dublin Joe Higgins was in Huntstown School in Mulhuddart, while Libertas leader Declan Ganley, accompanied by his family, cast his ballot at Brierfield National School in Tuam in Co Galway.


Presiding officers say voting is slower so far than the last referendum, a situation not helped by early morning rain.

Some people expressed concerns that they had thrown out their voting cards believing them to be referendum literature, because they arrived in booklet form this year.

People who have not received their polling cards are still entitled to vote once their name is on the electoral register and they have proof of identity.

Every Irish citizen who is over 18 and on the Register of Electors can vote. (Check the register)

When a person goes to the polling station today they will be given one ballot paper and asked whether or not they approve of the proposal to amend the Constitution to ratify the Treaty of Lisbon. (Read the Treaty in English or Irish)

If voters approve of the proposal, they should mark X in the square beside Tá/Yes on the ballot paper, if they do not approve they should mark X in the square beside Níl/No.

If a voter has not received a polling card they should bring valid forms of identification, such as a passport, a driving licence, or an employee or student photo identity card, to the polling station.

Counting of votes will begin at 9am tomorrow.

[zero1]

Joseph Goebbels: I feel no sympathy. I repeat, I feel no sympathy! The German people chose their fate. That may surprise some people. Don't fool yourself. We didn't force the German people. They gave us a mandate, and now their little throats are being cut!

Can't you just see President Tony Blair itching to voice the same sentiments in regard to the Irish if we return a "Yes"?

[griswald]

I just heard on the RTE news, that the latest exchequer receipts have us 2 billion euro deeper in debt than was originally forecast. I wonder why that was not released yesterday;)

griswald

[zero1]

I just heard on the RTE news, that the latest exchequer receipts have us 2 billion euro deeper in debt than was originally forecast. I wonder why that was not released yesterday;)

griswald

If it had been released yesterday, it might have consolidated economic fears in Undecideds and led to a last-minute surge in "Yes" votes...

[dolores1]

Dublin is where all the undecided voters are. Should be interesting how this turns out.

Some times it is the hardest thing to find, an Irish man in Dublin. It will be all the blowins and imports voting.

I hope the rest arn't to pissed off having to go out and vote no again. And I hope they do.

[griswald]

If it had been released yesterday, it might have consolidated economic fears in Undecideds and led to a last-minute surge in "Yes" votes...

It might also have had the oposite effect in showing what the government is willing to hide, in order not to scare the dont knows into no voters. If the government thought it would have boosted the yes vote, it would have been all over msm yesterday.

griswald

[zero1]

It might also have had the oposite effect in showing what the government is willing to hide, in order not to scare the dont knows into no voters. If the government thought it would have boosted the yes vote, it would have been all over msm yesterday.

griswald

True, but just saying it could have backfired either way.

[breezinreezin]

I caught a piece about the referendum yesterday on the beeb. In true, non-partisan, beeb fashion, it was set against a footage of unfinished housing projects and tumbleweed. The message: citizens, 'if you don't vote the way you should for the new world, you'll join the third world'. That alone would get me in the booth. I fucking detest the beeb as much as Blair.

Maybe after a few pints tonight, the real Ireland will turn out and chase away the hounds of hell as well as the hair of the dog. I really hope so.

[concordewarrior]

If the vote count starts only tomorrow morning this means they will have the whole night to rig the results and make the results be as they like, i.e. make the YES the winner so the Lisbon Treaty can be ratified. I bet there will be some cheating.

[teardropexplodes]

I think this is part of a cycle which has to be played out. We're going to have to lose our freedom and descend into tyranny and it's just going to have to get very bad before we take it back. Because people are stupid and lazy.
The good news is, most people are also decent and do want to be free. They just don't understand who their enemies really are as they haven't fully revealed themselves yet. But they will.
In a way, most of the people who hang out on this site are the elite vanguard who are brave enough to admit to themselves what is going on and brave enough to step outside of the illusion and the bullshit. One day soon hopefully we won't be in the minority.
But for now, Europe has fallen to the enemy, and we should begin preparing for the fight.

[celtic isis]

I think this is part of a cycle which has to be played out. We're going to have to lose our freedom and descend into tyranny and it's just going to have to get very bad before we take it back. Because people are stupid and lazy.
The good news is, most people are also decent and do want to be free. They just don't understand who their enemies really are as they haven't fully revealed themselves yet. But they will.
In a way, most of the people who hang out on this site are the elite vanguard who are brave enough to admit to themselves what is going on and brave enough to step outside of the illusion and the bullshit. One day soon hopefully we won't be in the minority.
But for now, Europe has fallen to the enemy, and we should begin preparing for the fight.

very very well said :)

The bolded bit is what i was thinking today...

[celtic isis]

Strange though most people i know have voted no i think...family etc...and friends...

?

and not even awakened ones :)

oh good golly i hope it's a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEE EEEEEEEE just want that feeling of tiny victory again lol and to be proud in France being Irish hehe cause Sarko will be majorly pissed off!

[yozhik]

Some people went around my street early today and ripped down all my vote no posters I put up. What a bunch of do goody vote yes zombies

Probably the Europeans who were flown in, free of charge, courtesy of the YES campaign.

Free flights for YES campaigning.

[yozhik]

Yes Vote % Friday 2nd October 2009, 18:00 Yes Vote % fav 60-65%


They seriously have to be taking the piss.

60-65% YES vote is the 'favourite' ??

There is NO WAY there would be that much of a swing, on a low voter turn out, in just 15 months, especially given the confirmation of a NO vote just a few months ago in that poll decim posted earlier.

Someone is seriously pulling some testicles.

Has anyone considered the bookies are also 'cooking the books' to entice the punters to place money on and around the 60-65% 'bet', knowing that a NO vote would see them rolling in clover?

[zero1]

There is NO WAY there would be that much of a swing, on a low voter turn out, in just 15 months, especially given the confirmation of a NO vote just a few months ago in that poll decim posted earlier.

Someone is seriously pulling some testicles.

I lol'd.

Has anyone considered the bookies are also 'cooking the books' to entice the punters to place money on and around the 60-65% 'bet', knowing that a NO vote would see them rolling in clover?

Sure, that's possible. Bookmakers are out to make money.

[teardropexplodes]

very very well said :)

The bolded bit is what i was thinking today...

This is it, guys... this is the dawn of a new dark era.
Princess Tony could soon be our fuhrer.
Israel is gunning for Iran, and it looks like they may get it this time.
The dreaded "flu" epidemic and the roll-out of the shots.
The final implosion of the banks, another mega "bail-out" and a new world financial order...
Girdle your loins, brothers and sisters!
It's gonna get nasty :)

[illuminumnuts]

Who gets to watch these sealed boxes overnight? The seals could be broken and the votes put back in new sealed boxes! I'm not saying this will happen, but the reasoning that sealed boxes left alone overnight can't be dodgy is laughable!

This is it, guys... this is the dawn of a new dark era.
Princess Tony could soon be our fuhrer.
Israel is gunning for Iran, and it looks like they may get it this time.
The dreaded "flu" epidemic and the roll-out of the shots.
The final implosion of the banks, another mega "bail-out" and a new world financial order...
Girdle your loins, brothers and sisters!
It's gonna get nasty :)

You think they might leave me alone if I emigrated to the Sahara? Or maybe they hit me with water tax? :eek:

[godspeed]

cheers guys for the up-dates
oh my,what a position to be in for the good people
to be a dictatorship or not
to bow to lordship blair or not
to put us all in chains or not
well,thank fuck its up to you
what a responsibility or what.........;)

[steevo]

According to The Guardian, they start counting the votes tomorrow at 9am. Gives them time to fiddle it.

[sub x]

As Alex Ferguson said "Its squeaky bum time" :D


Voting finished 19 minutes ago.

[christuffer]

Where are the exit polls?


I've got a really bad feeling about this.

[freckles]

IMO this will be a NO vote or I'll eat my hat....as I haven't had a hat for donkey's years I don't intend to start wearing or eating one now!!

Even if the vote is 'yes' - which will be a fix, this isn't the end for TRUTH AND COMPASSIONATE JUSTICE - it's the beginning of the end for 'them'.

Do not despair whatever happens.

YOU AND I KNOW THAT TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!! and everything that 'they' throw at us only wakes more of us up to how we've all been H A D.

Love and peace to all - including 'them'!
Suke
xx

Absolutely! Very well said :)

(Anyways, we all know NONE of these polls mean a thing and as for the bookies :rolleyes:)

Exciting times ahead ;) The matrix is being stripped away, people are finally starting to tune in. Voting is now over; and this time tomorrow night, we will know the result.. with the poor turnout :mad: we will probably know tomorrow afternoon.. ... .. I am apprehensively excited :D:(;).. .. my stomach is doing somersaults.

Love & Peace to all too - including them :) Bit pissed off with the people who didnt bother voting but I will get over it, peace & love to you too.. ...

Not that it matters, they filled out your votes for you.. ..

[sinnain]

Squeaky bum time indeed..


The Irish Times have just reported a preliminary Fine Gael exit poll that found Yes at 52% and No at 48%

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1002/breaking1.htm

[steevo]

If the yes vote ends up "winning", then the people in favour of the "no" vote should demand ANOTHER referendum just like the pro-lisbon traitors did. The best of 3.

Or even better, there should be non-cooperation with the system until these traitors are removed.

[dolores1]

Absolutely! Very well said :)

(Anyways, we all know NONE of these polls mean a thing and as for the bookies :rolleyes:)

Exciting times ahead ;) The matrix is being stripped away, people are finally starting to tune in. Voting is now over; and this time tomorrow night, we will know the result.. with the poor turnout :mad: we will probably know tomorrow afternoon.. ... .. I am apprehensively excited :D:(;).. .. my stomach is doing somersaults.

Love & Peace to all too - including them :) Bit pissed off with the people who didnt bother voting but I will get over it, peace & love to you too.. ...

Not that it matters, they filled out your votes for you.. ..

I know THEY will be out for the count.

[largejack]

If the yes vote ends up "winning", then the people in favour of the "no" vote should demand ANOTHER referendum just like the pro-lisbon traitors did. The best of 3.

Or even better, there should be non-cooperation with the system until these traitors are removed.

Too bloody right, this referendum shouldn't even be taking place right now!!! :mad:

[sub x]

I'm going to get all mushy now :D

Regardless of the outcome tomorrow I want to thank everybody,that contributed,expressed their feelings or just spent the time to read through the mountains of threads on the Lisbon Treaty,really made me feel as a nation that we were not alone.


You are good people ;)

P.s to all of the people here that helped us distribute the Sovereign Independent around the country,I am very proud to call you my fellow countrymen and women.Ireland has become a country of selfish,apathetic people but you people have given me a new lease of hope.


Thank you all so much,all you guys fuckin rock ;) :D

[freckles]

I'm going to get all mushy now :D

Regardless of the outcome tomorrow I want to thank everybody,that contributed,expressed their feelings or just spent the time to read through the mountains of threads on the Lisbon Treaty,really made me feel as a nation that we were not alone.


You are good people ;)

P.s to all of the people here that helped us distribute the Sovereign Independent around the country,I am very proud to call you my fellow countrymen and women.Ireland has become a country of selfish,apathetic people but you people have given me a new lease of hope.


Thank you all so much,all you guys fuckin rock ;) :D

Right back at ya sub x ;)

It has been an amazing experience for me. It surprised me how many people are aware of what is going on.. .. It was also a real eye opener to see how many people are not aware.. they dont care or they are terrified cos ignorance is bliss for some. But you know what, everything is OK!! Our mushy positive energy far outweighs anything they have ;)

EVERYTHING IS OK 1 (Corporate Property) - YouTube

[steveio64]

nb x.. I'd like you to know.. I feel the same way...

[griswald]

If the yes vote ends up "winning", then the people in favour of the "no" vote should demand ANOTHER referendum just like the pro-lisbon traitors did. The best of 3.

Or even better, there should be non-cooperation with the system until these traitors are removed.

Bang on the button steevo:):)

I firmly believe in this response. Its nigh on impossible to beat these gangsters, playing by their rules. We need to start playing by rules that favour us. Stop supporting their illegal fractional banking institutions, and use cash whenever you can. No matter how small your contribution, collectively you will have power.

griswald

[veritasvoice]

Regardless of whether or not this passes, a LOT of people are keenly aware of the nature of the EU now as well as having an awareness of the complicity of various European governments in the theft of sovereignty.

They also understand what it means for them to remain silent; this single issue has made activists of large numbers of people who aren't going to stop fighting for freedom and speaking out against the New World Order.

[steevo]

IMO this will be a NO vote or I'll eat my hat....as I haven't had a hat for donkey's years I don't intend to start wearing or eating one now!!

Even if the vote is 'yes' - which will be a fix, this isn't the end for TRUTH AND COMPASSIONATE JUSTICE - it's the beginning of the end for 'them'.

Do not despair whatever happens.

YOU AND I KNOW THAT TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!! and everything that 'they' throw at us only wakes more of us up to how we've all been H A D.

Love and peace to all - including 'them'!
Suke
xx

Very good post Suke :)

[dangermouse]

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/lisbontreaty/tracker.html

early votes showing strong yes :S
(9.35am) An early tally received from Carlow-Kilkenny is indicating a strong Yes vote. 15% of boxes have been opened.

[hoffy]

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/lisbontreaty/tracker.html

early votes showing strong yes :S

F**K.

Dublin is the key area is it not?

[christuffer]

Mainstream media (BBC) preparing us for a (fixed) YES vote.

People across Europe who have not been lucky enough to get a vote have been wearing 'Ireland vote NO' T shirts for months.

Let's hope they haven't been let down.

[steevo]

Mainstream media (BBC) preparing us for a (fixed) YES vote.
People across Europe who have not been lucky enough to get a vote have been wearing 'Ireland vote NO' T shirts for months.

Let's hope they haven't been let down.

Exactly!:cool:

[darkman]

What gets me is like eny voting sytem is that last time they said NO but this time cos there more jobs invovled for ireland they now saying YES to it ... completly fixed rigged voting system like most are ,, its just a system to make you the voter feel you getting a say when its already beeen decided .. but alas as my dad tells me " you cant have say unless you vote " yes dad ok dad 3 bags full dad . i feel sorry ofr the irish as they have been duped again, i have connections there and its a lovley country and brilliant peaple but now this treaty will take that way and its coming next to us in britain so be ready folks

[d9d9d9]

http://www.rte.ie/news/features/lisbontreaty/tracker.html

early votes showing strong yes :S

Not surprised, 90% of people I've talked to yesterday voted (or were to vote) "Yes".

[christuffer]

It was said there were no exits polls and now there is rolling news coverage saying it looks like a 'yes' vote.

Very suspect.

[wizer]

Irish await EU treaty vote result

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8288181.stm

"Opinion polls and informal exit polls indicate that the country will say yes to the treaty - just 18 months after rejecting it in the first referendum."


can't believe this shit! :mad:


However Poland and Czech Republic could delay it or disrupt it, thats our last chance..


From the article..

"Ratified by all member states except Czech Republic, Ireland and Poland"

[griswald]

Just announced on Newstalk 106, Weekend blend.

"Looks like its going to be a Massive YES vote."

Minister Michael martin has just said he believes it will be a massive yes vote.

griswald

[dangermouse]

Just announced on Newstalk 106, Weekend blend.

"Looks like its going to be a Massive YES vote."

Minister Michael martin has just said he believes it will be a massive yes vote.

griswald

looks like all their lies and deception worked against the sheeple

[griswald]

Declan Ganley to make an announcement at Dublin castle at 11 o clock this morning.:confused:

griswald

[dangermouse]

Declan Ganley to make an announcement at Dublin castle at 11 o clock this morning.:confused:

griswald

hmmm

[griswald]

hmmm


20 minutes away, should be interesting.

griswald

[sukyspook]

Not surprised, 90% of people I've talked to yesterday voted (or were to vote) "Yes".

FOR GOODNESS SAKE:


W H Y ? ? ? ?

Turkeys voting for Christmas....

However, it's not finshed if it's 'yes'. It's just the beginning - and when Bliar is installed dot dot dot

[christuffer]

Thanks for giving us Bliar again.

[dangermouse]

Thanks for giving us Bliar again.

your welcome :rolleyes:

[griswald]

your welcome :rolleyes:

He was theirs in the first place;)

griswald

[steevo]

Not surprised, 90% of people I've talked to yesterday voted (or were to vote) "Yes".

Are you Irish ? If so, which way did YOU vote ?

[d9d9d9]

If so, which way did YOU vote ?

No.

[dangermouse]

If the yes vote ends up "winning", then the people in favour of the "no" vote should demand ANOTHER referendum just like the pro-lisbon traitors did. The best of 3.

Or even better, there should be non-cooperation with the system until these traitors are removed.

(10.25) Socialist Party MEP Joe Higgins said that if the treaty is passed it will make it 1-1 and he joked that 'there should be a replay'.

[griswald]

I have never met a yes voter in the last 3 months in Ireland. :confused:

griswald

[griswald]

Declan will be giving a statement at 11, I,m listening here,

http://newstalk.ie/newstalk/listen-live-now.html

griswald

[griswald]

If the yes vote ends up "winning", then the people in favour of the "no" vote should demand ANOTHER referendum just like the pro-lisbon traitors did. The best of 3.

Or even better, there should be non-cooperation with the system until these traitors are removed.
I think that should be round 2.

griswald

[d9d9d9]

I have never met a yes voter in the last 3 months in Ireland. :confused:

griswald

What? Where in Ireland are you?

[d9d9d9]

Newstalk: "Strong - YES" .

"From 70% to 90% voted YES in some constituencies."

[griswald]

What? Where in Ireland are you?

Midlands.

griswald

[dangermouse]

(11.05am) Libertas leader Declan Ganley has said the result marks a 'very convincing win' for the Yes camp.

[sukyspook]

Declan will be giving a statement at 11, I,m listening here,

http://newstalk.ie/newstalk/listen-live-now.html

griswald


Thanks for the link Griswald which I tuned to - however, whether it's just propaganda, or the reality - I simply can't listen to all the "huge swings" to YES....

IMO, if it's yes, it's not the end, but the end of the BEGINNING....

If Bliar is installed as prez, well, we'll just have to see how unpopular that'll be with ALL sections of society...

I'm now wondering that as we haven't all 'caved in' to the swine flu scam and even bigger vaccination scam, is Bliar the tool with which 'they' will finally attempt their final police state lockdown here in the UK - it's not far off considering the awful treatment of INNOCENT people going about their business here:

The Love Police: Not to be Sniffed at - YouTube

Everytime I watch that I just can't believe it's gone so far....it deeply upsets me but I guess that's what it's supposed to do.
However, I'm far from feeling powerless to do something about it!

[trev1]

This vote is not rigged - im in waterford and i can assure you that this
vote is NOT rigged. About 90% of people I talked to yesterday were voting
YES. Fcuk it I hate to say it but thats the truth...

From what I hear from them many still have lots of reservations but at the
end of the day the central bank is where the country gets the money from
and people have been brainwashed with the 'Europe For Jobs' campaign.
People in Ireland think about it this this way: yes will encourage investment and
more money from the central bank which may provide jobs and give them
money to put food on the table - simple as.

[hoffy]

WOW - now is the time to pack your bags guys...they will do it slowly but things will be getting just more and more desperate now for everyone...

[sukyspook]

This vote is not rigged - im in waterford and i can assure you that this
vote is NOT rigged. About 90% of people I talked to yesterday were voting
YES. Fcuk it I hate to say it but thats the truth...

From what I hear from them many still have lots of reservations but at the
end of the day the central bank is where the country gets the money from
and people have been brainwashed with the 'Europe For Jobs' campaign.
People in Ireland think abou tit this way: yes will encourage investment and
more money from the central bank which may provide jobs and give them
money to put food on the table - simple as.

Ergo: Once again, they've been H A D!

Humanity, once again, has voted for its own enslavement.

Central banks ARE THE ENEMY! Countries need to start printing their own money and get off this MATRIX OF CONTROL via someone else's money that DOESN'T EXIST ANYWAY!!!! Is Ickey has been saying for sooooo long, IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION!!

It's a sad, sad day BUT, it's the end of the beginning as far as I'm concerned.

[dangermouse]

Ergo: Once again, they've been H A D!

Humanity, once again, has voted for its own enslavement.

Central banks ARE THE ENEMY! Countries need to start printing their own money and get off this MATRIX OF CONTROL via someone else's money that DOESN'T EXIST ANYWAY!!!! Is Ickey has been saying for sooooo long, IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION!!

It's a sad, sad day BUT, it's the end of the beginning as far as I'm concerned.

its obvious they need the tyranny before they wake up ..

[dantesinferno]

WOW - now is the time to pack your bags guys...they will do it slowly but things will be getting just more and more desperate now for everyone...

and go where? this is a global system being put in place, unless you live off grid in Borneo then there is no escape.

We have to resist from within.

[fransetter]

Ergo: Once again, they've been H A D!

Humanity, once again, has voted for its own enslavement.


Of COURSE it has. All this bollocks about mass awakenings is pure fantasy. Some of the sheep may have lifted their heads to take a look, but there is too much grass around so they carry on chewing away.

Bibi freedom. Humanity is about to get precisely what it deserves. Just carry on sending this message out to those who are doing the enslaving and they will carry on laughing - all the way to the central bank!!!!!

[diggers_1]

So it worked they lied and feared the greedy into thinking they would lose it all. People are so stupid. But if you own the news and the newpapers. What do you expect. It looks like its a yes by 70%.
Well I guess I will have to swallow my pride and go out now and take my no posters down. Then Im going to the pub.

[trev1]

Ergo: Once again, they've been H A D!

Humanity, once again, has voted for its own enslavement.

Central banks ARE THE ENEMY! Countries need to start printing their own money and get off this MATRIX OF CONTROL via someone else's money that DOESN'T EXIST ANYWAY!!!! Is Ickey has been saying for sooooo long, IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION!!

It's a sad, sad day BUT, it's the end of the beginning as far as I'm concerned.

I totally agree with you. Look mate its so frustrating - ive nearly fell
out with family members pleading with them to vote NO, but at the end
of the day all I can do is vote NO myself.... :rolleyes:

When are people going to wake up to the Central Banks..... when you bring
up this to people they just say to me : "But thats just the way the world is
or thats the way the world works" ...there fcuking brainwashed zombies that have been programmed
over years and years of sitting in front of their TVs and watching as Icke
says 'The Movie'. :(

Personally now I really hope Blair becomes EU president cause it would
serve them (my fellow countrymen) right :(

[drhemp]

The day democracy died in Europe.

[diggers_1]

I totally agree with you. Look mate its so frustrating - ive nearly fell
out with family members pleading with them to vote NO, but at the end
of the day all I can do is vote NO myself.... :rolleyes:

When are people going to wake up to the Central Banks..... when you bring
up this to people they just say to me : "But thats just the way the world is
or thats the way the world works" ...there fcuking brainwashed zombies that have been programmed
over years and years of sitting in front of their TVs and watching as Icke
says 'The Movie'. :(

Personally now I really hope Blair becomes EU president cause it would
serve them (my fellow countrymen) right :(


I want you to get up now. All of you and go to the window and scream IM AS MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

Realy it feels good.

[sukyspook]

Replies within:

Of COURSE it has. All this bollocks about mass awakenings is pure fantasy. Some of the sheep may have lifted their heads to take a look, but there is too much grass around so they carry on chewing away.

Bibi freedom. Humanity is about to get precisely what it deserves. Just carry on sending this message out to those who are doing the enslaving and they will carry on laughing - all the way to the central bank!!!!!


I really do believe there is a big awakening happening Fransetter however, perhaps with all the planned distractions like Iran; Swine flu scams; global warming; "natural disasters" etc etc, people can't concentrate their minds onto the facts and just get carried along on what euphoria there is. I bet the EU lackies of rich banksters are peeing in their pants with joy.

So it worked they lied and feared the greedy into thinking they would lose it all. People are so stupid. But if you own the news and the newpapers. What do you expect. It looks like its a yes by 70%.
Well I guess I will have to swallow my pride and go out now and take my no posters down. Then Im going to the pub.


I share your sadness and disappointment Diggers - it's a bit early for me just yet but I'll raise a glass to you about 5pm today!
Remember: this is not the end - IT'S THE END OF THE BEGINNING....
You did all you can and you are to be commended for that. Ateotd, each one of us doing what we can do is the BEST we can do.....but it takes an awakened soul to know that and you/me/we can't "show them the matrix, we can only show them the door"


I totally agree with you. Look mate its so frustrating - ive nearly fell
out with family members pleading with them to vote NO, but at the end
of the day all I can do is vote NO myself.... :rolleyes:

When are people going to wake up to the Central Banks..... when you bring
up this to people they just say to me : "But thats just the way the world is
or thats the way the world works" ...there fcuking brainwashed zombies that have been programmed
over years and years of sitting in front of their TVs and watching as Icke
says 'The Movie'. :(

Personally now I really hope Blair becomes EU president cause it would
serve them (my fellow countrymen) right :(

In my heart I know that whilst Bliar might be 'installed' as prez, it won't be plain sailing by any stretch. Meanwhile, I share in your frustrations but the real solution is within each one of us - and if you can save just one thing, make sure it's your soul, so that if anyone else needs help to save theirs, we can help them but at least we're working in cahoots with the Natural Order of the Universe which, imo, is what we should ALL be doing.

At least we know what the agenda is....in time, those who voted 'yes' will realise what's happened and wake up.... Meanwhile, here's a nice little video about 'their' plans to rule the world which at least, made me smile!:

10cc I Wanna Rule the World - YouTube

Love to you all and well done for doing all that you did - the fat lady hasn't sung yet....this is only the beginning.

[freckles]

So it worked they lied and feared the greedy into thinking they would lose it all. People are so stupid. But if you own the news and the newpapers. What do you expect. It looks like its a yes by 70%.
Well I guess I will have to swallow my pride and go out now and take my no posters down. Then Im going to the pub.

I am making new posters to put up!! My car sticker which says, I am voting No to Lisbon again has been changed to - I voted No to Lisbon Again. This is only the beginning of the good fight. Dont give up and never give in. Democracy may be dead and they will try to take our liberties but they will never never never take our freedom! I was born free I live free and I will die free.

[astrochicken]

fuck

[diggers_1]

Declan Ganley let slip on the tv that he got a text message from FG politician about walking away quietly. Oh the dirty tricks they are all freemasons and opus dei and febians.

Alan shatter is a prick. Once I sat infront of him for 2 hours with a problem about a currupt judge. I had a problem with and he said he would help me but did fuck all in the end because they were all part of the same gang.

[largejack]

There is a classic line in the film Braveheart where the Irish suddenly switch sides and King Edward 1 turns to one of his generals and cynically intones ... "Irish???." Sadly for us this time they've switched sides and joined with the establishment. Why does real life never have such happy endings?:(

[hoffy]

and go where? this is a global system being put in place, unless you live off grid in Borneo then there is no escape.

We have to resist from within.

They are concentrating on the western societies at the moment and trying to bring them down. Other societies they consider as 'taken care of' when they have a friendly government installed..but they are way, way, way behind in the introduction of the high-tech control grid. That is coming first in north america and western europe. The rest of the world is so fucking poor they are not too worried, deal with them later through their regional agencies (Asia-Pacific, African Unions) and finally the UN.

[belial]

So much for the 'fighting Irish'. Soft Bastards. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

My [Irish] dad is turning in his grave laughing at how pathethic/apathetic the Irish have become. You can shove your over-priced [EURO] ale up your back-sides aswell :D

Looks like the immigrants out-voted you lot. :D

You disgrace the *TRUE* Irish sovereignty.


However, there is a silver-lining to this...

... the weak sheep will soon wake up and realise what they have voted/not voted for...

... and THEN you might ***DO*** something about it.


God help us. :eek:

[steevo]

The fixed "yes" result will mean that the Irish (and the rest of us) will suffer at the hands of the EU, the suffering WILL wake alot of them up, and eventually the Illuminati will fall, There is no doubt about that. The people will be suffering FOR A REASON.

[largejack]

Yes it seems we have to suffer to wake up doesn't it? It was always coming to this. I'm seen the future so many times in lucid dreams, it's not going to be pretty. We're going to need to find the courage of warriors very soon.

[belial]

The fixed "yes" result will mean that the Irish (and the rest of us) will suffer at the hands of the EU, the suffering WILL wake alot of them up, and eventually the Illuminati will fall, There is no doubt about that. The people will be suffering FOR A REASON.


Yes... [Yawn]....

We've had the PROBLEM

We've had the REACTION

... and the SOLUTION... young JEDI???

[whizzer]

I FUCKING GIVE UP!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[tusme]

They are concentrating on the western societies at the moment and trying to bring them down. Other societies they consider as 'taken care of' when they have a friendly government installed..but they are way, way, way behind in the introduction of the high-tech control grid. That is coming first in north america and western europe. The rest of the world is so fucking poor they are not too worried, deal with them later through their regional agencies (Asia-Pacific, African Unions) and finally the UN.
Hmm...as the saying goes, there's a "method to their madness" :)...the reason, imho, they seem to be focussing their attention on the so-called "western societies" now, is co's, they're desperately trying to get the EU officially "up & running", with a "permanent" president in place...

Only then, can the rest of the American Union, African Union and the rest be officially recognised...otherwise, if for instance, the American Union, African Union or whatever union were offically established, before the EU Union, including a permanent president, then that Union, legally & officially, is the leading or dominent Union...meaning, even the EU Union would have to take it's orders from that Union & it's president...

So you see, the American, African and whatever unions there are, are simply awaiting the official installation of the EU Union...in which case, the NWO will be official...

Otherwise, to me anyway, the NWO is merely a re-cycling of past ideologies & philosophies...the only difference is, bigger and better (technological) tools at their disposal...and of-course, a wider net of the global community...unfortunately. :(

[trev1]

So much for the 'fighting Irish'. Soft Bastards. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

My [Irish] dad is turning in his grave laughing at how pathethic/apathetic the Irish have become. You can shove your over-priced [EURO] ale up your back-sides aswell :D

Looks like the immigrants out-voted you lot. :D

You disgrace the *TRUE* Irish sovereignty.


However, there is a silver-lining to this...

... the weak sheep will soon wake up and realise what they have voted/not voted for...

... and THEN you might ***DO*** something about it.


God help us. :eek:

Dont fucking generalise im Irish and voted no and am sick by the vote..

but dont be too hard on them -
they have been brainwashed with the 'Europe For Jobs' campaign.
People in Ireland think aboui it this way: yes will encourage investment and
more money from the central bank which may provide jobs and give them
money to put food on the table - simple as. Remember unemployment
is very high here now and people think anything is better than the way
things are

[sukyspook]

Hmm...as the saying goes, there's a "method to their madness" :)...the reason, imho, they seem to be focussing their attention on the so-called "western societies" now, is co's, they're desperately trying to get the EU officially "up & running", with a "permanent" president in place...

Only then, can the rest of the American Union, African Union and the rest be officially recognised...otherwise, if for instance, the American Union, African Union or whatever union were offically established, before the EU Union, including a permanent president, then that Union, legally & officially, is the leading or dominent Union...meaning, even the EU Union would have to take it's orders from that Union & it's president...

So you see, the American, African and whatever unions there are, are simply awaiting the official installation of the EU Union...in which case, the NWO will be official...

Otherwise, to me anyway, the NWO is merely a re-cycling of past ideologies & philosophies...the only difference is, bigger and better (technological) tools at their disposal...and of-course, a wider net of the global community...unfortunately. :(


"Otherwise, to me anyway, the NWO is merely a re-cycling of past ideologies & philosophies...the only difference is, bigger and better (technological) tools at their disposal...and of-course, a wider net of the global community...unfortunately."

I read this Anonymous post on another forum which imo and in one way, pretty much sums up 'the agenda':


"OWO is the problem.
NWO is the whipping boy.
It is the OWO that is desperately being preserved
in all that is occurring in the world today.

The NWO concept isn't the problem.
The OWO has always been the problem.
Retaining the status quo is the goal.
NWO is a diversion of the OWO to confuse and cause
the religious, like the christians, to believe that something
wicked this way is coming... hiding the fact that it has been here all along..."

Ergo, it's already here but needs to be maintained by being locked-down further and all the rumours about a 'nwo' are quite possibly part of a DDT aka "distract, detract, trash" modus operandi.

[largejack]

I sometimes ask myself why do there appear to be two types of people on this planet ? There are those like us on here who have gone through the exact same experiences through schools, TV, friends, society, etc, who have a deep understanding of what's happening, and then there are those who just seem incapable or refuse to get it. I can't work out why? I'm not especially intelligent, so why is it?

[simplysimon]

I sometimes ask myself why do there appear to be two types of people on this planet ? There are those like us on here who have gone through the exact same experiences through schools, TV, friends, society, etc, who have a deep understanding of what's happening, and then there are those who just seem incapable or refuse to get it. I can't work out why? I'm not especially intelligent, so why is it?

Ever considered who "God's Children" are?

I'm not biblical or religious either, but could that be the answer?

[goldenbear]

ive just heard the news.im devestated.its just not fair.now we have to contend with bliar witch again.i think its down to brainwashing. its time to head for the hills.that was my first thought this morning.but having a good think i still feel we can win this war against these evil few.

i was talking to a counciller this morning and discussing what is happening and even this person was devistated to find out they had put bliar in as the president of the eu.this couniller was conservative but i have convinced her to look at the evidence of what is going on. nwo ect... the sheep are our own local government aswell. please keep up the infowar and tell as many people you can by mouth,protest,t shirts ect...you dont even have to come across as a political zealot.just pointing people in the right direction to look for themselves at the truth. keep at it and try to feel positive.

as a good song goes
during the struggle they will pull us down
please please remember we can turn this around
because tonight we can truly say together we're invincable

good will always defeat evil.its a fact.:)

[tusme]

I read this Anonymous post on another forum which imo and in one way, pretty much sums up 'the agenda':


"OWO is the problem.
NWO is the whipping boy.
It is the OWO that is desperately being preserved
in all that is occurring in the world today.

The NWO concept isn't the problem.
The OWO has always been the problem.
Retaining the status quo is the goal.
NWO is a diversion of the OWO to confuse and cause
the religious, like the christians, to believe that something
wicked this way is coming... hiding the fact that it has been here all along..."

Ergo, it's already here but needs to be maintained by being locked-down further and all the rumours about a 'nwo' are quite possibly part of a DDT aka "distract, detract, trash" modus operandi.
Makes absolute sense, Sukyspook...!! ;) :)

[griswald]

I sometimes ask myself why do there appear to be two types of people on this planet ? There are those like us on here who have gone through the exact same experiences through schools, TV, friends, society, etc, who have a deep understanding of what's happening, and then there are those who just seem incapable or refuse to get it. I can't work out why? I'm not especially intelligent, so why is it?

I,m having the same realisation today. There are awakened in society, and sheeple. Now have the awakened always realised throughout their life that something doesn,t gel together in the scheme of things. Thats the way I always was. And then there are the sheeple. They were born sheeple from day one.

Question is, can the sheeple ever be awakened. I,m starting to think maybe they cannot. I,d be interested to know what percentage of the awakened here, were originally sheeple. If a good percentage of the awakened were originally sheeple, then there is hope for us. If a small percentage of the awakened were sheeple, then the awakened are now on their own.

I dont view the Lisbon yes vote as the end, I,m on the same frequency as sukyspook, its only the beginning. Lisbon 2 was only a battle, the war is still there for the winning;)

griswald

[cafetimes1991]

Declan Ganley to make an announcement at Dublin castle at 11 o clock this morning.:confused:

griswald

Anyone know what he said?

[wizer]

Guys you can watch the results come in live here http://www.rte.ie/

its not looking good so far :(

Nigel farage was just on. He actually called for a 3rd referendum in a way "best of 3" i think he said.

[flip side]

I FUCKING GIVE UP!!!:mad::mad::mad:

This only the start my friend. No giving up at this stage, it's quite obvious to me that things are going to have to get alot harder before the majority open their eyes.

[cafetimes1991]

Guys you can watch the results come in live here http://www.rte.ie/

its not looking good so far :(

Nigel farage was just on. He actually called for a 3rd referendum in a way "best of 3" i think he said.

Was just listening to RTE Radio One on the way back from my English teacher's funeral, and heard the news, which made it extra depressing.

Nice one by Nigel Farage though.

[decim]

Sickening.

What a F##kin Charade!!

[godspeed]

Im gutted
im sure a lot of people are already suffering
this changes nothing but a quick pro quo
now its not safe to go to court for anything
and we may all be fugitives in our own lands
what you gonna do when they come for you

and they will....now our own law has gone to europa

supreme court of london awaits us all

ps im opting OUT now is that ok............:mad:

OUT OF EU....................gone............:mad:

[belial]

Dont fucking generalise im Irish and voted no and am sick by the vote..

but dont be too hard on them -
they have been brainwashed with the 'Europe For Jobs' campaign.
People in Ireland think aboui it this way: yes will encourage investment and
more money from the central bank which may provide jobs and give them
money to put food on the table - simple as. Remember unemployment
is very high here now and people think anything is better than the way
things are

Congratulations.

You have presented immaturity.

... and what have you done besides: boosting your ego/post count/stupid opinion without *FACTUAL EVIDENCE*.

Please... FFS... Wake up... ???????????????

[tusme]

C'mon guys...lets not allow "them" to divide us even further...!? :(

[belial]

This only the start my friend. No giving up at this stage, it's quite obvious to me that things are going to have to get alot harder before the majority open their eyes.


Big letters.

High font count.

Now you need to wake up.

Ego: off the scale.

*GIRLFRIEND... WAKE UP* :rolleyes:

[cornilouse]

It is a sad sad day for humanity.

:mad:


The 20% percent swing seems rather high, the British Media is running away withemselves in delight at the result.

Our democracy, however pointless is about to be publicly butchered.

On a serouis note, i have the oppurtunity to emmigrate to New Zealand, that is now looking even more promising

[zero1]

A "Yes" this time was inevitable, given economic fears and the ruthless scare-mongering of the "Yes" camp. People really aren't able for that sort of thing, they're not you know...they capitulated at the slightest hint that Ireland would be consigned to the loony-bin of Europe with a second "No" vote. Fear has ruled the day, unfortunately.

Edit; a considerable number voted "No" again though, perhaps a few for the first time...

[largejack]

I don't like the sound of Barbosa's (or whatever he's called, the one who looks like Inspector Clouseau) speech. He said he wants to formulate a consensus for the reasons people vote 'no' so they can use it to help tackle the issues with the people of other countries, or something along those lines. Creepy. :eek:

[decim]

The news black out 24hrs prior to..&..

Broadcast moratorium forbidding further discussion
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84595

Vatican issues Lisbon Treaty warning to Irish vote
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84606

[largejack]

A "Yes" this time was inevitable, given economic fears and the ruthless scare-mongering of the "Yes" camp. People really aren't able for that sort of thing, they're not you know...they capitulated at the slightest hint that Ireland would be consigned to the loony-bin of Europe with a second "No" vote. Fear has ruled the day, unfortunately.

Edit; a considerable number voted "No" again though, perhaps a few for the first time...

No the fear came from the No voters according to that twat I've just mentioned! :mad:

[killmicrosoft]

not good


so far
yes
759,131

no
375,913

[christuffer]

After promising a referendum if elected, Scameron is now backtracking on this.

[illuminumnuts]

So the last hope is the Czechs delaying it until Labour get booted out. Then the U.K. can have a say. Who is really in the know on how likely this is? However, I don't believe Cameron has promised this yet the weasel he is.

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
793,187

no
397,045

[illuminumnuts]

After promising a referendum if elected, Scameron is now backtracking on this.

Ha, 'Scameron' and 'weasel' posted within seconds. I think we can forget that idea then...

[killmicrosoft]

update


yes
821,009

no
407,698

[christuffer]

So the last hope is the Czechs delaying it until Labour get booted out. Then the U.K. can have a say. Who is really in the know on how likely this is? However, I don't believe Cameron has promised this yet the weasel he is.

Good plan but Scameron is now back-tracking.


Totalitarianism wins.

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
842,595

no
417,071

[steevo]

Have the Czechs got to agree to the Lisbon Treaty too ?

[freckles]

Have the Czechs got to agree to the Lisbon Treaty too ?

They have to ratify it. Klaus is under pressure to sign it and after today ... well I am sure they will find a way :rolleyes:

http://www.praguepost.com/news/2371-klaus-may-be-final-roadblock-for-lisbon.html

Klaus may be final roadblock for Lisbon
As the Irish are set to approve the treaty, Europe looks to a still-defiant president

President Václav Klaus has long opposed the Lisbon Treaty, calling the European Union the biggest threat to Czech sovereignty.
While the eyes of Europe are on Ireland, which votes on the Lisbon Treaty Oct. 2, the glares are increasingly directed at Prague.

A group of senators from the Civic Democratic Party (ODS) filed a challenge to Lisbon Sept. 29 in the Constitutional Court in what Europe sees as the latest Czech move to derail the controversial treaty, which seeks to streamline decision-making processes at the European Union level. And, while these senators, led by Jiří Oberfalzer, are getting some attention, the man increasingly attracting both domestic and international scrutiny is President Václav Klaus.

"There is the perception that it is not the Czech Republic holding it up, but [rather] the Czech president," said Piotr Maciej Kaczyński with the Centre for European Policy Studies in Brussels.

Twenty-four of 27 member states have already ratified the Lisbon Treaty, and a Sept. 25 poll found the number of undecided Irish voters shrinking, with 48 percent supporting Lisbon and 33 percent opposed. German President Horst Köhler signed the treaty for his country Sept. 23. Polish President Lech Kaczyński has pledged to sign if the Irish vote "Yes."

Klaus says he is holding his signature until the Constitutional Court makes a ruling on Oberfalzer's challenge.

"Ignoring the challenge would be to release them of their rights," Klaus wrote in a letter explaining his delay.

Oberfalzer's challenge was filed Sept. 29, but the ODS group says it will add specifics in the coming days.

"The request is going to include passages that were not included in the last challenge," Oberfalzer said on Czech Television Sept. 27, referring to a ruling by the Constitutional Court in November 2008 that said the treaty was within the law.

As it increasingly seems the Czech Republic will be the last to make a decision on Lisbon, some are looking for ways to pressure Klaus into signing.

"What kind of legitimacy does he have?" the analyst Kaczyński said. "He isn't elected. He is supposed to be a figurehead. There is a lack of understanding abroad of what is going on in a democratic sense."

Here in the Czech Republic, several legal experts have proposed means to force Klaus into signing. One recent idea went as far as putting Klaus before the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Another idea is to file a lawsuit against Klaus for inactivity based on his failure to sign a European social charter dating from four years ago, and use a ruling from this as a pretext to push Klaus to sign Lisbon. However, the Czech Constitution does not set a time limit on when a president must sign something passed by Parliament.

"There are some legal experts who have proposed the government go down such a path," said European Affairs Minister Štefan Füle. "However, I said at the last Cabinet meeting that I saw no need for such a course at this moment."

Others have proposed to cut the budget to the president's office or limit Klaus' foreign travel.

After spending recent days with Pope Benedict XVI, the pressure began mounting on Klaus from all sides. In an interview with The Washington Times Sept. 21, Klaus, playing down the recent U.S. decision to step back from a radar base in the Czech Republic, called the EU the biggest threat to Czech sovereignty.

"It is mainly the obstructive behavior of ODS leaders and its political allies over the Lisbon Treaty that threaten the national interest of the Czech Republic, including a strong and effective EU," said Social Democratic Party (ČSSD) Chairman Jiří Paroubek.

Prime Minister Jan Fischer is pushing to ratify the Lisbon Treaty by the year's end.

"Groundless postponement of the completion of the ratification process would have a negative impact on the position and influence of the Czech Republic in the European Union. The government has been exerting maximum effort to meet our political responsibility," he wrote in a letter to Senate Deputy Chairwoman Alena Gajdůšková.

Further adding to the European-wide hysteria surrounding the treaty was news Sept. 23 of a letter from UK Conservative Party leader David Cameron urging Klaus to delay signing Lisbon so that, if his party is elected next year, as is widely expected, he could call a referendum in the United Kingdom next year.

"There still is not so much pressure on the Czechs, as everyone is still waiting on Ireland," the analyst Kaczyński says. "But then it will be down to the Czech Republic."

- Petr Cibulka Jr. and Klára Jiřičná contributed to this report.

[tusme]

Have the Czechs got to agree to the Lisbon Treaty too ?
Apparently, they're busy "ratifying" it... :confused:

[armoured_amazon]

Question is, can the sheeple ever be awakened. I,m starting to think maybe they cannot. I,d be interested to know what percentage of the awakened here, were originally sheeple. If a good percentage of the awakened were originally sheeple, then there is hope for us. If a small percentage of the awakened were sheeple, then the awakened are now on their own.

I'm curious, too. :(

[tusme]

Good post, Freckles...thanks. ;)

[veritasvoice]

I simply cannot believe that many Irish would vote away their freedom just for a job.

They are becoming willing slaves, surrendering their country's independence - and KNOW they are doing it.

They know that the President of the EU will be an unelected position that they cannot hold accountable, yet vote for it anyway, and have been asked to "vote" repeatedly on the same issue to "get the right result".

Where's the outrage at a nation being treated like children? Why isn't Europe rising up as one to tell the political elites that they won't take this anymore?

My first instinct is to say that this vote is rigged six ways from Sunday, only because the alternative (that they are ushering in an imperial regime willingly) is too depressing to contemplate.

Today was the day that the Irish Republic died, and became the Irish Democracy...and soon even that will be lost as it is subsumed into the European Empire.

Edit: I think this shows why we don't need democracy as a form of government, and why it is being so heavily promoted by TPTB. Think how many times you've heard that word come out of the mouths of politicians. They want easily swayed tyrannies of the majority to serve their aims. We need a global declaration of independence from these failing systems run by elites.

[freckles]

Barrosso is on now saying he doesnt expect any problems with the Czech ratifying it :rolleyes:

http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/czech-senators-not-to-withdraw-complaint-after-irish-yes/400833

Czech senators not to withdraw complaint after Irish yes

Prague - Czech senators will not withdraw their complaint against the Lisbon treaty that they lodged with the Constitutional Court after the Irish yes, senator Jiri Oberfalzer (Civic Democrats (ODS), one of the complainants, said today.

We have not filed it (complaint) over Ireland, but over the Czech Republic," Oberfalzer told CTK by phone, in reaction to the information that the Irish approved the EU reform treaty in a repeated referendum on Friday.

According to pro-Lisbon politicians, the withdrawal of the constitutional complaint would enable to complete the ratification process in the Czech Republic as quickly as possible.

Both houses of Czech parliament passed the Lisbon treaty, but President Vaclav Klaus has not yet signed it. He said he would wait for the Constitutional Court's decision on the new complaint.

A group of senators, mainly from the right-wing Civic Democrats (ODS), on Tuesday lodged their proposal for further examination whether the Lisbon treaty complies with the constitution with the Constitutional Court.

Court chairman Rychetsky was assigned as a judge-rapporteur to the case on Wednesday. He said the court would starts handling the complaint within a month.

The court has already sent copies of the complaint to Klaus, the interim government of Jan Fischer, and the lower and upper houses of parliament, the Chamber of Deputies and the Senate. Their response is expected within two weeks, Rychetsky said.

The Czech Republic and Poland would be the last EU member states not to have completed the ratification as their presidents have not yet signed it. However, Polish President Lech Kaczynski has repeatedly said that he will sign the Lisbon treaty immediately after the Irish yes.

The Lisbon treaty should be ratified by all 27 EU member states. If the Lisbon treaty did not take effect, the EU would have to continue to function according to the Nice treaty.
Author: ČTK
www.ctk.cz

[steevo]

Thanks Freckles.

[illuminumnuts]

As it increasingly seems the Czech Republic will be the last to make a decision on Lisbon, some are looking for ways to pressure Klaus into signing.

"What kind of legitimacy does he have?" the analyst Kaczyński said. "He isn't elected. He is supposed to be a figurehead. There is a lack of understanding abroad of what is going on in a democratic sense."

Here in the Czech Republic, several legal experts have proposed means to force Klaus into signing. One recent idea went as far as putting Klaus before the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Another idea is to file a lawsuit against Klaus for inactivity based on his failure to sign a European social charter dating from four years ago, and use a ruling from this as a pretext to push Klaus to sign Lisbon. However, the Czech Constitution does not set a time limit on when a president must sign something passed by Parliament.

That's just beautiful. :D

[hawks29]

I simply cannot believe that many Irish would vote away their freedom just for a job.

They are becoming willing slaves, surrendering their country's independence - and KNOW they are doing it.

They know that the President of the EU will be an unelected position that they cannot hold accountable, yet vote for it anyway, and have been asked to "vote" repeatedly on the same issue to "get the right result".

Where's the outrage at a nation being treated like children? Why isn't Europe rising up as one to tell the political elites that they won't take this anymore?

My first instinct is to say that this vote is rigged six ways from Sunday, only because the alternative (that they are ushering in an imperial regime willingly) is too depressing to contemplate.

I think it proves that democracy as a system of government will ultimately fail the country every time - as a majority has today voted away a minority's freedom.



I cant beleive that after voting no, and getting told that that wasn't right , you have to vote again that that didn't get their backs up. If that was me, i'd vote no again out of principle. Fucking idiots!!!!

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
1,017,857

no
498,768

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
1,059,397

no
515,942

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
1,091,353

no
532,329

[killmicrosoft]

update

yes
1,117,207

no
551,071

[yozhik]

update

yes
1,117,207

no
551,071

Is anyone actually buyng these bulshit figures?

2:1 for the YES vote after a NO vote last year and in an earlier poll this year?

2:1 ???

What a fucking joke!
Oh well - at least when they cook the books, they REALLY know how to cook the books.
But we already know that; its seems it is the greatest skill of the PTB.

Bush 2000, Bush 2004 and now Ireland 2009.
Who or what is next?

I think we should start writing letters of appeal to Klaus in Czech Republic.

[largejack]

i cant beleive that after voting no, and getting told that that wasn't right , you have to vote again that that didn't get their backs up. If that was me, i'd vote no again out of principle. Fucking idiots!!!!

Totally what I was thinking, but you forgot one thing.....

baaaaaa!!! Baaaaaaaahhhhhhh!! :d

[illuminumnuts]

I think we should start writing letters of appeal to Klaus in Czech Republic.

I'll suck his **** if it does any good. :eek:

[largejack]

Is anyone actually buyng these bulshit figures?

2:1 for the YES vote after a NO vote last year and in an earlier poll this year?

2:1 ???

What a fucking joke!
Oh well - at least when they cook the books, they REALLY know how to cook the books.
But we already know that; its seems it is the greatest skill of the PTB.

Bush 2000, Bush 2004 and now Ireland 2009.
Who or what is next?

I think we should start writing letters of appeal to Klaus in Czech Republic.

Yep, I think they're genuine, people's mentality no longer surprises me, even now !

Baaaaaa!! Bbbbaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! BbbbbbaaaaaahhhhhhhHHHHHHHHH!!!

[whizzer]

what a huge scam, they bribed, coerced and lied to the Irish and got their way, AND you can all be sure that every other country left that has a say will take the back handers too..so we are fucked..now where is my passport!:mad:

[wizer]

Lisbon Treaty set to be passed by decisive majority

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1003/breaking1.htm


Taoiseach Brian Cowen said the Lisbon Treaty will be carried decisively with just two of the 43 constituencies expected to reject it.

With counting complete in 38 constituencies only two have rejected the treaty. Based on results so far, the Yes side has 66.8 per cent of the vote reflecting a 20 per cent swing. This compares to 53 per cent for the No side in the 2008 referendum.

The turnout is estimated at around 58.8 per cent.

Speaking at a press conference at Leinster House in Dublin this afternoon Mr Cowen said credit for the result rested with the Irish people who had shown a determination to be at the centre of Europe.

“We will now work with all our partners in ensuring the reforms this treaty will bring are implemented. The Irish people have supported reforms so that the EU can become efficient and more effective in dealing with the global concerns we all face”.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said he saw the Yes vote as a sign of confidence by the Irish electorate in the European Union and as a “sign that Ireland recognises the role that the European Union has played in responding to the economic crisis”.

Tipperary South became the first constituency to declare a result just before 1pm with a resounding majority in favour of the treaty.

This was quickly followed by Yes majorities in Kildare North, Sligo/North Leitrim, Sligo/Monaghan, Clare, Tipperary North and Waterford and in nine of the 12 Dublin constituencies.

The only two to reject the treaty so far are Donegal North East and Donegal South West, the latter by a narrow margin of 50.3 per cent. Both Donegal constituencies rejected the treaty last year.

No campaigners conceded defeat within hours of ballot boxes being opened at 9am as the extent of the move in favour of the treaty became apparent.

Libertas leader Declan Ganley told reporters at the main Dublin counting centre this morning the result was “a very convincing win".

"I'm surprised how big the 'Yes' vote is and it shows how scared people are. This is a very convincing win. It's a mandate of sorts. I wish him [Taoiseach Brian Cowen] the best of luck."

Minister for Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin said he was delighted. "It looks like a convincing win for the Yes side on this occasion." He said the guarantees secured by the Government had played a crucial role.

"We are in a very difficult economic position and this is an essential first step towards economic recovery," Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan added.

However, Sinn Fein vice-president and anti-Lisbon campaigner Mary Lou McDonald said the vote should not be seen as an indication of support for the Government parties. "This vote does not mean that the Government has a mandate for Nama or the upcoming budget and let them not think that or fall into that false sense of security. People still want change."

“Work must now continue on repairing the Irish banking system and bringing order to the public finances.” Prominent Yes campaigner Pat Cox, a former president of the European Parliament, also claimed the voters of Ireland put their country first.

Mr Cox, who headed the Ireland for Europe campaign group, said: “This was a mature vote in which the Irish people rejected those voices telling them to make the referendum a verdict on the government and on national policies.

Dublin South has recorded the highest support for the treaty so far with 82 per cent of ballots in favour. This was closely followed by the result from Dun Laoghaire which was 81 per cent Yes. This represents a 17.7 per cent swing to the Yes side.

Speaking at the count centre at the University of Limerick Sports Arena this afternoon Minister for Defence and Limerick East TD, Willie O'Dea TD, said the referendum would not have been carried without the support of Opposition parties.

“It was a big hurdle in the way of the Government and certainly it would have had devastating consequences for the Government had the referendum been turned down a second time,” said Mr O’Dea. His constituency rejected the treaty in 2008 but passed it today with 67 per cent in favour.

Jerzy Buzek, president of the European Parliament said the vote was "good news for Ireland and good news for Europe." "But it is not the end of the story.

Now we must start to work to overcome the difficulties." "Our citizens are afraid of the energy issue, the unemployment rate, about immigration, demography and we can do that together, as it was before, also in the future, in solidarity."

"We should also think about those who were answering 'No' because it is our habit and it is our custom to think about all Europeans. I can assure (you) I will work very hard and do feel that it is our common Europe. Let us write our common European history."

[largejack]

what a huge scam, they bribed, coerced and lied to the Irish and got their way, AND you can all be sure that every other country left that has a say will take the back handers too..so we are fucked..now where is my passport!:mad:

Ah look, anyone who's been around for the last 10 years and still believe what their governments tell them (no matter how much money they spend on advertisement) is a moron by any standards. Surely even the spectre of Tony Blair on the horizon should have been enough to put them off, but oooh no!

It's just a shame that the awakened minority have to suffer as well.

What is even more depressing is the 41% who didn't seem to care either way ! I can understand it in an election when you have no choice but to vote for a puppet, but when the independence of your country is at stake with a simple yes or no answer is quite beyond me? We really are living in village of the damned.

[wizer]

This is a very sad day for Europe.

http://www.irishtimes.com/homepage/images/1224255817836.jpg?ts=1254580938


Willfully drinking away our country, im embarrassed for Ireland and worry about its future..... if it has any future that is. I apologize to all europeans on this forum, the fear mongering and urgency for the "Yes" vote that was pushed down our throats worked on the majority of people.

[decim]

That's some fast feckin 'counting'...

03-10-2009, 03:34 PM
update

yes
1,017,857

no
498,768

03-10-2009, 03:35 PM
update

yes
1,059,397

no
515,942

03-10-2009, 03:36 PM
update

yes
1,091,353

no
532,329

03-10-2009, 03:37 PM
update

yes
1,117,207

no
551,071

[d9d9d9]

This one is for hadabusa:

"Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic has hailed the result:
'I believe that we all have reason to be happy for the success of the Irish referendum' .

[illuminumnuts]

Just the results coming in. I wouldn't be surprised if the Irish maybe voted 'Yes' and - needing to be sure - the PTB cheated a bit anyway to give these startling results. What's with leaving ballot boxes overnight? Sounds way dodgy to me.

[largejack]

Over at infowars the team there are desperately trying to expose a bunch of private criminals taking over US towns, and the Irish haven't even got the bottle to stick to the same result they gave just 1 year ago. There should have been outrage being made to vote again let alone give a resounding yes. It's shocking!

[pipsicle]

Ir

"Opinion polls and informal exit polls indicate that the country will say yes to the treaty - just 18 months after rejecting it in the first referendum."




If they put this storyline in a farce movie viewers would reject it as too far-fetched.

[orwellianstate]

Today my heart and my thoughts go to my beloved friends the Irish people and to their own paradise land, IRELAND.

I address my spiritual energy towards the good energies of Will for Freedom, Peace and Justice for all in Ireland.

You Irish People are brilliantly beautiful people and your beautiful land was given to you as a reflection of your qualities.

Let noone, no tyrant, no man, nothing ever take it away from you or rape it and divide it!

I will stand for your rights today and always will.

My energies go to you my beloved friends, Irish people!

I dedicate to you this song and video because THIS IS YOUR MOMENT! Let's point together towards the sun, today! THIS IS YOUR LIFE!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Long Live IRELAND! Thumbs up for your Freedom! Thumbs up for your Awakening!


Love ya

[illuminatiman]

Today my heart and my thoughts go to my beloved friends the Irish people and to their own beautifully paradise land, IRELAND.

I address my spiritual energy towards the good energies of Will for Freedom, Peace and Justice for all in Ireland.

You Irish People are brilliantly beautiful people and your beautiful land was given to you as a reflection of your qualities.

Let noone, no tyrant, no man, nothing ever take it away from you or rape it and divide it!

I will stand for your rights today and always will.

My energies go to you my beloved friends, Irish people!

I dedicate to you this song and video because THIS IS YOUR MOMENT! Let's point together towards the sun, today! THIS IS YOUR LIFE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPMe4xg3G3o

Long Live IRELAND! Thumbs up for your Freedom! Thumbs up for your Awakening!


Love ya

There sure is a lot of dumb bastards in ireland Bah Bah!!!!

[largejack]

Today my heart and my thoughts go to my beloved friends the Irish people and to their own beautifully paradise land, IRELAND.

I address my spiritual energy towards the good energies of Will for Freedom, Peace and Justice for all in Ireland.

You Irish People are brilliantly beautiful people and your beautiful land was given to you as a reflection of your qualities.

Let noone, no tyrant, no man, nothing ever take it away from you or rape it and divide it!

I will stand for your rights today and always will.

My energies go to you my beloved friends, Irish people!

I dedicate to you this song and video because THIS IS YOUR MOMENT! Let's point together towards the sun, today! THIS IS YOUR LIFE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPMe4xg3G3o

Long Live IRELAND! Thumbs up for your Freedom! Thumbs up for your Awakening!


Love ya

Yeah nice sentiments, but it ain't going to change the result.

That's the problem, nobody sees beauty anymore, that's why they've kicked out their own beautiful country to these fascist bastards, because they're too worried about not getting the latest car!!!

That beautiful country is rich and fertile in resources for 3 million people that's for sure. There's 60 million over here in a country not much bigger, and we'd say no... I think.

[orwellianstate]

I was not talking about zombies, reptilian-controlled people or whatever.
I was talking about the Real Irish People

[largejack]

I was not talking about zombies, reptilian-controlled people or whatever.
I was talking about the Real Irish People

I agree with you on that ;)

[red_ram]

We in the UK weren't even offered the referendum we were promised, although as the powers that be don't seem to take no for an answer, it probably wouldn't have made much difference.

Democracy...what a joke.

[largejack]

We in the UK weren't even offered the referendum we were promised, although as the powers that be don't seem to take no for an answer, it probably wouldn't have made much difference.

Democracy...what a joke.

Indeed, even if the Irish had said no they'd still have pushed ahead with it anyway, but by saying yes they have set a precedent of compliance and that's not good.

[droplicity]

Best of three?? Anybody?

[decim]

Telling.

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/eu_china_us_trilateral.jpg

[largejack]

Sorry to make you feel more sick today but look at Brown's expression to the Lisbon Treaty

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

[phildee3]

I was not talking about zombies, reptilian-controlled people or whatever.
I was talking about the Real Irish People



...all ten of them.

[diggers_1]

Sorry I have to step in here and say you are right in thinking all the things you say about the irish people. But if you had the same PROpaGANda campaign in your country would the result be any different. They played on peoples fears. Yes the problem reaction solution worked. Things are bad here.

I believe every dirty trick in the book was used to secure a YES vote this time around. We had to deal with the full force of a heavily biased Irish media propaganda machine, not to mention massive funding for the Yes side which trumped the NO side by at least 10 to 1 in financial support.


I want to thank all the no voters and campaigners who genuinely love their country and who fought this treaty with everything they had.


We can now hope that the President of the Czech republic, Vaclav Klaus, will hold back Czech ratification of the Treaty until the constitutional challenge that has been launched there is completed.


The awakening and revolution continues...


God bless

Until your country lives it you will not believe it.

[largejack]

...all ten of them.

Ahhh :rolleyes:

[decim]

http://www.beastnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/thejago-twat.jpg


Sorry to make you feel more sick today but look at Brown's expression to the Lisbon Treaty

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

[illuminumnuts]

Sorry I have to step in here and say you are right in thinking all the things you say about the irish people. But if you had the same PROpaGANda campaign in your country would the result be any different. They played on peoples fears. Yes the problem reaction solution worked. Things are bad here.

I believe every dirty trick in the book was used to secure a YES vote this time around. We had to deal with the full force of a heavily biased Irish media propaganda machine, not to mention massive funding for the Yes side which trumped the NO side by at least 10 to 1 in financial support.


I want to thank all the no voters and campaigners who genuinely love their country and who fought this treaty with everything they had.


We can now hope that the President of the Czech republic, Vaclav Klaus, will hold back Czech ratification of the Treaty until the constitutional challenge that has been launched there is completed.


The awakening and revolution continues...


God bless

Until your country lives it you will not believe it.

Klaus must know exactly what he is doing. I have no doubt whatsoever the U.K. will vote 'No' and neither does he probably. This is like a movie. All hanging on one guy like with Frodo Baggins. :D Go Klaus! If I were him I would drink his own urine and not eat in a locked room until it's all over.

[merlincove]

Gordon Brown?

http://www.beastnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/thejago-twat.jpg

:D

[decim]

yep.

Gordon Brown?



:D

[illuminumnuts]

On further thought, for all Klaus's bravery I still think we are screwed. The way I see it is Cameron won't rule out a referendum because he doesn't want to damage his election chances. It might even tip the whole general election to UKIP on just one major issue if he refused a referendum promise. After he gets in he will do a bullshit referendum on just a couple of issues, but not the whole treaty like the Irish had. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I just don't trust Cameron. Anything but a promise on an unequivocal referendum and you just know what's coming. And the 'not ruling anything out if the treaty is already ratified by the time I gets in' is just more pre-election porkies. I'm going to pound the streets for UKIP and campaign like I never campaigned before at the next election.

[rayne]

Think they totally rigged the vote, or that they're crashing of the world economy (which has really hurt Ireland) kinda forced them into it?

[illuminumnuts]

Think they totally rigged the vote, or that they're crashing of the world economy (which has really hurt Ireland) kinda forced them into it?

Probably both in my view. I really don't trust vote boxes being left overnight.

[largejack]

On further thought, for all Klaus's bravery I still think we are screwed. The way I see it is Cameron won't rule out a referendum because he doesn't want to damage his election chances. It might even tip the whole general election to UKIP on just one major issue if he refused a referendum promise. After he gets in he will do a bullshit referendum on just a couple of issues, but not the whole treaty like the Irish had. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I just don't trust Cameron. Anything but a promise on an unequivocal referendum and you just know what's coming. I'm going to pound the streets for UKIP and campaign like I never campaigned before at the next election.

The one person truly celebrating this result must be Cameron as it's got him out of a really complicated hole.

[illuminumnuts]

The one person truly celebrating this result must be Cameron as it's got him out of a really complicated hole.

Post-election yes. We'll see how much he's pressured before the election on what he is going to promise. I'm going to stick my neck on the line now. He won't offer an unequivocal promise on an unequivocal referendum even if the treaty hasn't already been ratrified because he is Owned.

And what's with the rubbish they might start filling E.U. Council positions now anyway? :confused:

[captaincaper]

Post-election yes. We'll see how much he's pressured before the election on what he is going to promise. I'm going to stick my neck on the line now. He won't offer an unequivocal promise on an unequivocal referendum even if the treaty hasn't already been ratrified because he is Owned.

And what's with the rubbish they might start filling E.U. Council positions now anyway? :confused:

Promise/no promise it means NOTHING coming from these ppl any more (if it ever did)

If it did I might have had a vote on this ghastly treaty but I didnt.........I wouldnt give a squirt of piss for one of these bandits promises :mad:

[illuminumnuts]

Promise/no promise it means NOTHING coming from these ppl any more (if it ever did)

If it did I might have had a vote on this ghastly treaty but I didnt.........I wouldnt give a squirt of piss for one of these bandits promises :mad:

Generally speaking I completely agree with you, but he'd have to on something like this if he unequivocally promised it, which is exactly why he won't unequivocally promise it in my view. We will see soon enough. All happening so fast now.

[onewave]

We did our best here in Eire on the NO side. I'm sorry they've duped/bullied/threatened so many people. There could have easily been rigging and dirty tricks too.

B. Cowen (prime minister) was gloating all to quickly today. Sad bastard.
He can lose the next general election now, no problem, just keep being a fat cat Eurocrat afterwards. Job done. Ireland handed over for a cheap promise of some jobs. Don't hold your breath there in the dole Q.

Ireland will live-on in her people.
(The "yes" side have opted-out of this of course).

I think we would be fooling ourselves to think that another NO would have stopped them completely. They would have kept up the bullying until it passed.
I still say NO to anything that comes from the EU now and have every intention of opposing them at any opportunity. Those of us who opposed them in this "referendum" will not give up.

Yes democracy is a joke, but it was always the elite's tool, not ours.

Fight them wherever you are, refuse, resist, demonstrate, boycott, take to the streets, speak-up, and don't let them tell you who you are.

[frase]

Just read the most arrogant patronising, contemptible piece of journalism fom the Guardian.....
Journalist loinks those dubious about the EU as the same as "climate change deniers and those who think the CIA was behind 9/11"
I want to go on and comment but I am banned!!
makes my blood boil.

[killmicrosoft]

final count


yes
1,214,268

no
594,606

well thats us fucked

http://www.referendum.ie/referendum/current/resultsummary.asp?ballotid=79

[killmicrosoft]

Polling at the referendum on the proposal for the amendment of the Constitution contained in the Twenty-Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Bill 2009 will take place on Friday 2 October 2009 between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10p.m. Results from each constituency received at the Central Count Centre, Dublin Castle, Dublin 2 on the day of the count, Saturday 3 October, will be available shortly afterwards here at www.referendum.ie
Treaty of Lisbon 2009


% Poll

59%


Yes/Tá

67.13%


No/Níl

32.87%

[frase]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/03/eu-britain-sovereignty-lisbon-treaty

Here is the article-Has to be read to be believed.
WANKER

[illuminumnuts]

Just read the most arrogant patronising, contemptible piece of journalism fom the Guardian.....
Journalist loinks those dubious about the EU as the same as "climate change deniers and those who think the CIA was behind 9/11"
I want to go on and comment but I am banned!!
makes my blood boil.

Why don't you just get a new IP address?

[rayne]

Frase, your avatar is very correct; Mr. Cameron has re-affirmed his stance of not pushing for a U.K referendum on the Lisbon Treaty to take place.

Even if you're for the treaty, you should be disgusted that politicians are taking your choice to vote on something so important away from you.

[refusetoconsent]

I..................love.....................mr. blair..................,
......................i....................love... ................mr,brown.......,
...............i............will..............love ..............mr.cameron.......................... .......(dribble)

[refusetoconsent]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/03/eu-britain-sovereignty-lisbon-treaty

Here is the article-Has to be read to be believed.
WANKER

"But David Cameron will not be able to play that game. The point of Lisbon is to put an end to tedious tinkering at the EU decision-making process, so Europe can start making decisions. Other powerful leaders, Germany's Angela Merkel and France's Nicolas Sarkozy, will have no patience for a British counterpart who turns up spoiling for a fight."

"spoiling for a fight" is an understatement, i think the election in 2010 is up for grabs. cameron and brown are to weak to even say no to blair and his european empire.

[redhead]

Why are some of you talking about Cameron and UKIP and a possible referendum in this country, go look at the E.U.Treaty, it says UK Parliment to be dissolved by May 2010, so there will be no referendum or even another General Election in this god forsaken cess-pit.

Expect President Blair by the end of October and Turkish troops marching you off for your FORCED Swine Flu Injection.

Now in the months ahead we'll see if the British Bulldog has still got some bollocks!

[refusetoconsent]

"Expect President Blair by the end of October and Turkish troops marching you off for your FORCED Swine Flu Injection."

but....isnt that utopia? i hope the turk soldiers speak english, so i can inform them that their byonets are in violation of health and safety. crazy turks (tut)

[trev1]

Congratulations.

You have presented immaturity.

... and what have you done besides: boosting your ego/post count/stupid opinion without *FACTUAL EVIDENCE*.

Please... FFS... Wake up... ???????????????

What is wrong with you.....??? Have you misunderstood me... ?

As said I have voted NO and thats all I can do? I actually fell out
with some family and friends trying to get them to vote NO !

I am just saying WHY 67% of people voted yes - from talking to yes voters..

I'm in the 33% and I can can hold my head up high that I did the right thing
and voted NO !

All I am saying to dont label all us Irish as the same!

[trev1]

Ah look, anyone who's been around for the last 10 years and still believe what their governments tell them (no matter how much money they spend on advertisement) is a moron by any standards. Surely even the spectre of Tony Blair on the horizon should have been enough to put them off, but oooh no!

Totally agree with this but do take into account that the Blair for president
was kept hush in the Irish media. I rang my sister yesterday to tell her and
she laughed me off saying I was some conspiracy theorist. I told about 10
people at work and none of them were aware of this and looked at me as if
I was mad.

Isnt it a bit suspicious tho that the first time it appeared on sky news last night
was 10 0 clock - the very time when the polling booths closed? To me
thats smells of corruption? anyone agree? By the way - my sister rang me later
that night after seeing sky news and went 'fcuk you were right, what have I done!'

I tried to argue that even the fact Blair could get EU president when he
should be up in front of a court for war crimes - what does that say about
the EU .....?

It's just a shame that the awakened minority have to suffer as well.
Thanks ! Even though im dissapointed today i am one of the 33% that voted
NO and I can always tell my kids I done what I could

What is even more depressing is the 41% who didn't seem to care either way ! I can understand it in an election when you have no choice but to vote for a puppet, but when the independence of your country is at stake with a simple yes or no answer is quite beyond me? We really are living in village of the damned.
Again totally agree..... something they will really regret when they become
part of a police state and a microchipped population where you wont be
able to fart without it showing up on a computer somewhere !

[trev1]

We did our best here in Eire on the NO side. I'm sorry they've duped/bullied/threatened so many people. There could have easily been rigging and dirty tricks too.

B. Cowen (prime minister) was gloating all to quickly today. Sad bastard.
He can lose the next general election now, no problem, just keep being a fat cat Eurocrat afterwards. Job done. Ireland handed over for a cheap promise of some jobs. Don't hold your breath there in the dole Q.

Ireland will live-on in her people.
(The "yes" side have opted-out of this of course).

I think we would be fooling ourselves to think that another NO would have stopped them completely. They would have kept up the bullying until it passed.
I still say NO to anything that comes from the EU now and have every intention of opposing them at any opportunity. Those of us who opposed them in this "referendum" will not give up.

Yes democracy is a joke, but it was always the elite's tool, not ours.

Fight them wherever you are, refuse, resist, demonstrate, boycott, take to the streets, speak-up, and don't let them tell you who you are.

Well said from a fellow Irishman from Waterford. I reckon though Cowan
is one of the bloodline group reptiles that Icke does be on about .... he
certainly looks like one... :)

[trev1]

A BIG THANKS TO THE FOLLOWING 4 PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO
SPEAK THE TRUTH BUT WERE DEFAMED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY
BY THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR CRONIES

- Declan Ganley, Patricia McKenna, Joe Higgins & Mary Lou MaDonnell
:):)

During all the debates im still very shocked that the Irish people would
not listen up to what these people had to say but yet believed a group
of liars and bullshitters like Cowan, Enda Kenny, Minister Martin, Michale
O Leary , etc.

[mightiswrong]

I think this quote is apt:

An image may only be challenged by another image, particularly by an image of creation, capable of inspiring millions of people(emphasis added)
http://www.ringingcedarsofrussia.org/theearth/ringing-cedars-newspaper-interview-vladimir-megre-part2-2008-oct.html#n1

An image can only be defeated by a more powerful image. Opposing their ideas (images) does not constitute offering a more powerful image.


Anastasia did indeed create such an image as a counterbalance to the armadas of the destroyers. Hundreds of thousands of people have internalized the image of a real future Anastasia has offered, the future of a beautiful country and in turn a beautiful planet Earth. And they have added their own ideas to it, and have begun to turn it into reality, to build what she has called their Kin's Estates, their Family Domains or Spaces of Love. (ibid)

[tyler]

I'm afraid the Irish have just sold out the lads of 1916.
They fought and died for Irish independence and now this shower who call themselves Irish have just caved in and surrendered to the same banker scum who put Padraig Pearse and James Connolly up against a wall in Kilmainham Jail.

The fluoride in all Irish water has worked on them. The Irish have lost their balls.

[decim]

It is the cell phone towers.


The fluoride in all Irish water has worked on them. The Irish have lost their balls.

[fratoue]

I'm afraid the Irish have just sold out the lads of 1916.
They fought and died for Irish independence and now this shower who call themselves Irish have just caved in and surrendered to the same banker scum who put Padraig Pearse and James Connolly up against a wall in Kilmainham Jail.

The fluoride in all Irish water has worked on them. The Irish have lost their balls.


Fuck you I campaigned tirelessly for a No vote putting in days of work in the last fortnight what the fuck did you do?. What about the near 600,000 that voted no?. Please don't make ignorant statements lumping us in with the drones who voted yes.

[griswald]

I'm afraid the Irish have just sold out the lads of 1916.
They fought and died for Irish independence and now this shower who call themselves Irish have just caved in and surrendered to the same banker scum who put Padraig Pearse and James Connolly up against a wall in Kilmainham Jail.

The fluoride in all Irish water has worked on them. The Irish have lost their balls.

I hope your generalistions of " the Irish " does not include all the irish that put in significant efforts over many months trying to educate the ill informed to the truth.

Fluoride has n,t worked on all of us, as the many proud irish enlightened on this forum can testify too

Dont let divide and rule creep in here, ;)

griswald, irish and fucking proud to be

[trev1]

fluoride has n,t worked on all of us, as the many proud irish enlightened on this forum can testify too

here here

[steevo]

It's times like this that we have to laugh in the face of adversity (I'm not sure if someone has already mentioned that or not - It's a BIG thread! lol).

[trev1]

Credit to the people of donegal - the only place to vote
in favour of no :)

[tusme]

Hi All,

The frustration and anger is understandable...but please, lets not direct the negative energy at each other...? :(

[mark1963]

The death sentence will now be introduced for rioters and dissenters. EU scum. :(

[on the road]

I'm afraid the Irish have just sold out the lads of 1916.
They fought and died for Irish independence and now this shower who call themselves Irish have just caved in and surrendered to the same banker scum who put Padraig Pearse and James Connolly up against a wall in Kilmainham Jail.

The fluoride in all Irish water has worked on them. The Irish have lost their balls.

total sell outs !



last vote we had loads of respect for you guys but now a few months down the line after a little reprogramming you vote yes ,fuck it up for everyone and loose all respect in one hit.




well done the irish.:mad: