October Chemtrails

[kryst]

I've just walked outside (2:00pm, October 1st) and the sky is absolutely littered with at least 20 chemtrails. This is getting ridiculous here in West Yorkshire.

Has anyone else in the UK noticed a steep increase in this 'geoengineering' usage?

PS. I know this technically doesn't belong here but this is getting crazy. I've never seen so many unnatural white streaks in the sky before.

[sorath]

I am in N.Yorkshire and the sky was littered with chemtrails today. It hasn't stopped either. I am sat at work now and every so often I see a new one being added.

[kweli]

Same here in South Yorkshire. :mad:

[sorath]

I don't know if it related at all but I have been getting colds more than i have ever had them in my life. 2 colds in the last 3 months, it is pissing me off as I am normally very healthy!

[pistonbroke]

I'm in Stoke on Trent,and our skies are absolutely covered in chemtrails today,and there's a bad smell in the air.:mad:

[pureheart]

I'm in the South of England and the sky is lovely and blue at the moment. There have been a lot of trails over the past few days though.

The weather seems unnaturally warm for October. :cool:

[neoconsumer]

There have been a few over South Wales today, however I must say that this year has been nothing like last year at all.

Last year we'd have them for weeks on end, lots of planes and really dense patterns in the sky. This year it's much much less, maybe a few here and there one day a week. Even in the more populated areas like Cardiff it has really been toned down a great deal.

Perhaps they're abandoning it (whatever "it" is for) or are perhaps being a bit more careful about how they go about doing it - so that it's less obvious.

[martg]

I've just walked outside (2:00pm, October 1st) and the sky is absolutely littered with at least 20 chemtrails. This is getting ridiculous here in West Yorkshire.

Has anyone else in the UK noticed a steep increase in this 'geoengineering' usage?

PS. I know this technically doesn't belong here but this is getting crazy. I've never seen so many unnatural white streaks in the sky before.

I was thinking the other day that i had hardly seen any all summer (but it's been mostly overcast all summer LOL:D). Then the last three days there have been lots. I heard a theory a few weeks ago that the SF vaccine will trigger something that's already been deployed in the chemtrails, if that's true maybe they are giving it one last big deployment before the vaccination program kicks off.

[antinwo]

Teesside has been shit full of chemtrails in the sky today grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

[gullick]

I'm in portsmouth at the moment and there has been bloody loads of chemtrails around here over the past few days, I only moved here saturday, I thought the west midlands was bad!

The research to prove whether this is a natural phenomenon (lol), weather modification or mass poisoning really needs to be done quickly. There is far too much speculation at the moment in my opinion.

We know they exist, spread the message. (http://www.chycho.com/?q=chemtrails)

[ginger_wizard]

Im also in W Yorks and noticed a whole hod of them around 5pm today - miles long. I used to work shifts so used to walk the dog at around 5am on a regular basis, this was the main time I used to see them in this area, in twos and threes. What surprised me today was the number of them, there isnt that much air traffic directly overhead, definitely not at what appeared to be quite low altitude.

[1eyeopen]

I noticed alot more this morning than other mornings recently. But I also noticed it was alot colder this morning than it has been recently. Maybe there's something in that.

[wazaaap]

central london and kent - full of them over the last week.

more than i have ever seen!

[dark86]

ive the past year been in many countries and just come back to the UK - chemtrails everywhere, and i didnt see any of this in other countries.

im off again soon. its not normal.

www.waykiwayki.com

[kweli]

ive the past year been in many countries and just come back to the UK - chemtrails everywhere, and i didnt see any of this in other countries.

im off again soon. its not normal.

www.waykiwayki.com

You're right, it's not normal. I've been around long enough to notice this; I've always been a sky/cloud watcher since being a young child. I can understand the younger generation thinking it's always been this way but I'm stunned that the older folk aren't crying out - WTF is going on up there!?

[dave52]

I'm in portsmouth at the moment and there has been bloody loads of chemtrails around here over the past few days, I only moved here saturday, I thought the west midlands was bad!

I'm from Portsmouth, my brother still lives there, and he tells me it's been mad for Chemtrails over the last month or so.

It's also been very bad in the East Midlands where I am.

[thelearner]

:mad:Yeah, Essex full of them today more than ever.
Have a look:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84620

[candygirl]

very thick ones where i am.
I watched a plane spewing out a really thick one (from both wings).
This one was strange cos it started then the trail stopped plane flew along for a minute then trail started again.
The sky above us was a a total criss cross pattern all day!
I'm in South west uk.

[paolo]

West Yorkshire today and yes I noticed a full zap that occurs occasionally...
A continual swarm. I was at work without my camera, otherwise would have recorded it

[gjinx]

For some reason I think they spray more on the coastlines. Because I have travelled alot in europe recently and always when I am near the sea I see more chemtrails. Wonder why thou.

[kweli]

Seems like most of the UK was hit pretty badly today. Lots of reports coming in from Yorkshire in particular. It's not often we have a thread in general running like this - something strange going on?

[gjinx]

Not only UK, I have seen alot in Holland, Germany and Sweden recently too. I think the whole of europe and I always see more of them near the sea!

[time for change]

Yes chemtrails directly over the city centre of Birmingham from late afternoon (october 1st), slowly fading hours later by sunset.

Wow we really are getting caked here in england.

Anyone down south notice any?

I would say they wouldn't do the whole country in one day to avoid detection, although still hitting quite a few regions as we can see.

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[djpad34]

yes i awoke about 5-30ish am for a quick drink and skys full around here in cumbria northwest and later when i woke a nice big x just above my house lol i said to my wife see they dont like us lol and the whole day has been chemtrail alley teatime greay clouds moved in dull since

friday i rekon another big day if it starts clear but i have seen trails above the grey clouds when thier is a break in the clouds so rain shine overcast or not day night they still spray here

[willys girl]

Ive been watching the skies in east London for months now and some days we are bombarded.They have layed them thick and fast for weeks and only have a day or 2 at the most off.The last 2 nights they have been spraying later than usual.I watched a chemtrail being left tonight and looked at it changing in a moon lite sky.It makes me so mad to know this crap that they are spraying us with is not good for us.I think about the pilots of these aircraft and think how could you(assuming they know).The only way we can stop it is to keep spreading the word and hopefully with more and more people being aware we can in time put an end to it.A good idea putting this thread here as all previous posts have confirmed im not crazy because other people are seeing the same thing.

[harryp2000]

I saw a load of criss crossing trails in Kent on Tuesday, it's really nutty! I told a few people and got them thinking about it all.

[willys girl]

Ive made my friends and neighbours look up while im talking to them so they can physically see chemtrails for themselves.Then I suggest they look it up on the net.So far the majority believe and get back to me but still working on some.For some the very idea of government acting in such an under handed fashion is unthinkable.


Do you think if we could all pool our data about chemtrails that we could put together a better understanding about what's going on.It could start small maybe one city.A few people from different parts of the city could keep a daily log on chemtrail activity.Linking data from city to county to country could give us proof of illegal activities in our sky.Sorry I tend to get a tad passionate about the subject of chemtrails:o.Chemtrails are the danger I can see.They are real they are above our heads on a daily basis and our children share that same sky.I keep wondering is the spraying about lowering immune systems/swine flu/vaccinations not sure what to think.Anyone else got a theory:confused:.

[bones]

none in cuba for 2 weeks running!!! feels great!

[harryp2000]

I'm curious about it all too, it's just wierd really! Last night at about 4 in the morning the sky was pretty dark, there was a full moon, I went outside to have a smoke and saw a plane cross the sky silently.

It left a trail which seemed normal to me at first but as I was smoking I watched it expand pretty substantially.

That's the first time I've eve seen one expand before my own eyes.

[pureheart]

I know that this idea isn't going to be a popular idea but is it possible that rather than the planes spraying the chemicals, that the atmosphere has actually changed in some way?

Perhaps it is the sky that is reacting differently to the aviation fuel, rather than something in the aviation fuel that wasn't there before?

Just a thought. :o

[willys girl]

I watch the sky a lot but seeing chemtrails at night is a new one for me.Also did anyone else notice the wierd looking halo around the moon tonight.

Harry sit and watch the spraying during the day.You will be able to see chemtrails transforming in much more detail.

Pureheart I don't believe its anything that has changed in our atmosphere as not every plane in the sky leaves a chemtrail.Also the spraying is done in a grid like fashion so pretty obivious.Everyday the chemtrails start out from the same area in the sky where I live.They go back and forth through the day spraying in a deliberate pattern.Countless other planes in the sky at around the same height as the spray planes leave nothing behind them.So the fact that not every plane does leave chemtrails suggests that man not atmosphere is responsible.

[davew]

I read somewhere that the chemicals/metals in the chemtrails are there to weaken the immune system, so that when the flu virus hits, it will have a greater effect - more deaths ...

Thoughts?

[steevo]

Yes since October began we have been bombarded with chemtrails over Yorkshire :mad: I will be doing leaflets :)

[anthony65]

I know that this idea isn't going to be a popular idea but is it possible that rather than the planes spraying the chemicals, that the atmosphere has actually changed in some way?

Perhaps it is the sky that is reacting differently to the aviation fuel, rather than something in the aviation fuel that wasn't there before?

Just a thought. :o

I'd agree with you that the atmosphere has been changed!

The network of TV towers, mobile phone masts etc. plus the haarp like ionospheric heaters around the world are scrweing up the atmosphere.

Note that the chemtrails stick better in areas of the sky where you see fake clouds: thin, scummy looking clouds. Anyone not believe that there are artificial clouds?

I would say that regular jet fuel, which is full of all kinds of chemicals, reacts with the charged atmosphere and leaves trails, but not always.

But when you watch the skies you will notice major differences between the trails left by different aircraft.

There are some fat fugly trails that are simply unbelievable. While many planes are leaving mini trails, these marker pens in the sky just belch out their stuff quite shamelessly.

Watch more closely and you'll note different coloured trails. Sometimes with an orange hue, not related to the sunset. Or white, white trails.

Sun dogs / halos witness the pollution of our skies.

[live]

Northern Ireland Bangor area 2pm. They were everywhere, my other half even noticed them.

[john connor]

I have never seen so many chems or so heavy a spray as whats taken place here in the East Mids the last 24 hours...last night was like somthing out of a Sci Fi movie...full moon thick white line in front...all day they have sprayed..lots of black lines too. Last week we flew to Egypt..trying to see the places we want before TSHTF...(I truely belive it is imminent now) there were lines all through the flight in the UK...Belgium..Germany..Croatia..not a bloody chem in sight in Egypt...then again with 20 mill in Cairo alone they will have a field day with their Vaccine

East Mids today...spot the Orb

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3429/oct4orb.jpg

[unusual_suspect]

Yes since October began we have been bombarded with chemtrails over Yorkshire :mad: I will be doing leaflets :)

Ive seen loads over Gloucestershire so far :(

[lw71]

I have never seen so many chems or so heavy a spray as whats taken place here in the East Mids the last 24 hours...last night was like somthing out of a Sci Fi movie...full moon thick white line in front...all day they have sprayed..lots of black lines too.

"Death Dust From Another Planet"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAWRTk_-SM&feature=related

@3mins - was it looking like these ??!?

[asgard]

Manchester here, and they are having a busy night. There are X markings all over and it's blatant.

That weird 'cobwebby' stuff seems to be everywhere too.

[martg]

Manchester here, and they are having a busy night. There are X markings all over and it's blatant.

That weird 'cobwebby' stuff seems to be everywhere too.

You're right there seem to be loads at the moment. especially in the last 24 hours and they seem to be spreading into that 'cobwebby' effect, maybe a different type? :confused:

One thing I've been wondering is where are these planes taking off from and how come none of the pilots or ground crews have spoken out?

[kryst]

One thing I've been wondering is where are these planes taking off from and how come none of the pilots or ground crews have spoken out?

When I'm travelling down from Manchester to Birmingham on the motorway, There are always small two-man planes flying around - it's like a wasp's nest of plane activity sometimes. As for the pilots - most probably, military. These guys would be trained to keep quiet about their work.

I agree that there could be some part to play by the accidental atmosphere changes by general pollution, but I've often observed the on-off dashed pattern which couldn't possibly be a continuous stream of water (the product of a jet engine).

And here's some proof that the government are at least thinking about it. (http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/climatechange/research/pdf/geo-engineering-0409.pdf)

Anyway - October the 5th. Another heavy day of spraying. Got a nice picture of a chembow.

http://www.bluekes.com/crap/IMG_0303.jpg

Is it possible to work out the chemical based on how it refracts the light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index)?

[martg]

wow, i've never seen that before, when I saw the picture my first thought was that it was chromatic aberration caused by the lens.
The only thing I know about the subject is that astronomers use a technique called 'spectroscopy' to determine elements in stars by analyzing dark bands within the light spectrum. I have no idea if the same technique could be applied.

You are almost certainly right about the pilots being military and sworn to secrecy (and probably have no idea what they are doing anyway).
still I would hope that someone in the know would grow some balls and speak out. :(

[john connor]

You're right there seem to be loads at the moment. especially in the last 24 hours and they seem to be spreading into that 'cobwebby' effect, maybe a different type? :confused:

One thing I've been wondering is where are these planes taking off from and how come none of the pilots or ground crews have spoken out?

There not all planes spraying...those Orb things spray too..have photos of them doing so...they leave twister shape chemtrails...next time they spray heavy...aim a camera at a heavy burst...we see them nearly every spray now.

ANY pilot / crew reading this...you are a bloody disgrace to your species for keeping quiet...you are as guilty as them for your silence...

[martg]

There not all planes spraying...those Orb things spray too..have photos of them doing so...they leave twister shape chemtrails...next time they spray heavy...aim a camera at a heavy burst...we see them nearly every spray now.

I'm fascinated by those orb things, i've seen them on youtube but have yet to see one myself, any theories on what they could be? advanced aircraft or maybe something extraterrestrial or extradimensional?

ANY pilot / crew reading this...you are a bloody disgrace to your species for keeping quiet...you are as guilty as them for your silence...

agreed, I am disgusted at so many people selling out their fellow humans for power/money or a quiet life. one day these people will have to answer for their crimes.

[john connor]

I'm fascinated by those orb things, i've seen them on youtube but have yet to see one myself, any theories on what they could be? advanced aircraft or maybe something extraterrestrial or extradimensional?



agreed, I am disgusted at so many people selling out their fellow humans for power/money or a quiet life. one day these people will have to answer for their crimes.

I have no idea what they are..they are silent..they move at great speed and they ARE spraying too...seen them over 25 times in the last year...seeing more of them more often

[martg]

when I got up today, it was a perfect cloudless azure sky. Then I saw the first chemtrail of the day, not unusual, then I saw something weird, there was some kind of craft following the plane, it was perfectly circular and kind of looked like a flying saucer from a 50's sci-fi film, it seemed to be flying a kind of spiral pattern around the chemtrail from the plane. :eek: Totally freaky.

Then about ten minutes later I think I saw my first 'Orb' (it was quite high, and I didn't have binoculars or a camera to hand so I can't be absolutely sure) but it didn't appear to have any wings, very strange stuff, especially as I posted on this thread just yesterday that I had never seen an orb :eek:

[lw71]

I'm fascinated by those orb things, i've seen them on youtube but have yet to see one myself, any theories on what they could be? advanced aircraft or maybe something extraterrestrial or extradimensional?


Check this, if you haven't already...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83710

I've yet to see a definite orb ( been meaning to retrieve my binoculars from the loft ) but have witnessed several 'disappearing' planes.

[martg]

Check this, if you haven't already...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83710

I've yet to see a definite orb ( been meaning to retrieve my binoculars from the loft ) but have witnessed several 'disappearing' planes.

interesting, i'll keep that in mind, thanks :)

[willys girl]

London sky sprayed thick and heavy this morning:(

[sweetnhigh]

Yuck!

[cryst4l]

when I got up today, it was a perfect cloudless azure sky. Then I saw the first chemtrail of the day, not unusual, then I saw something weird, there was some kind of craft following the plane, it was perfectly circular and kind of looked like a flying saucer from a 50's sci-fi film, it seemed to be flying a kind of spiral pattern around the chemtrail from the plane. :eek: Totally freaky.

Then about ten minutes later I think I saw my first 'Orb' (it was quite high, and I didn't have binoculars or a camera to hand so I can't be absolutely sure) but it didn't appear to have any wings, very strange stuff, especially as I posted on this thread just yesterday that I had never seen an orb :eek:

Hey guys,

This was the same for the most of the UK, a perfect cloudless azure sky. I did not see one chemtrail yesterday and I'm starting to think that we may all be wrong on this one.

The atmosphere was obviously at the right conditions for no moisture to be held up there with no clouds what so ever in the sky.

I watched numerous aeroplanes flying and leaving a contrail but no chemtrails lasting in the skies at all.

Are the trails we believe to be chemtrails actually just contrails that have the right atmospherics to stay around longer? From my perspective this is what is happening but I could be wrong :)

[martg]

Hey guys,

This was the same for the most of the UK, a perfect cloudless azure sky. I did not see one chemtrail yesterday and I'm starting to think that we may all be wrong on this one.

The atmosphere was obviously at the right conditions for no moisture to be held up there with no clouds what so ever in the sky.

I watched numerous aeroplanes flying and leaving a contrail but no chemtrails lasting in the skies at all.

Are the trails we believe to be chemtrails actually just contrails that have the right atmospherics to stay around longer? From my perspective this is what is happening but I could be wrong :)

cryst4l, I see contrails often but I see chemtrails more, yesterday I saw two planes that as far as I could tell were at around the same altitude, one leaving a contrail that dissipated a few hundred feet behind the aircraft and the other left a thick ribbon that spread and was there for the rest of the afternoon.

I would love to believe that there are no such thing as chemtrails but i'm afraid the evidence seems to be that they are very real :(

[cryst4l]

cryst4l, I see contrails often but I see chemtrails more, yesterday I saw two planes that as far as I could tell were at around the same altitude, one leaving a contrail that dissipated a few hundred feet behind the aircraft and the other left a thick ribbon that spread and was there for the rest of the afternoon.

I would love to believe that there are no such thing as chemtrails but i'm afraid the evidence seems to be that they are very real :(

Hi Martg,

I was of the same thought process but I saw two planes at the same altitude leaving a 20 second contrail and that's all. I did not see one Chemtrail yesterday until this morning and the difference being the atmospherics had changed to allow moisture to sit in the air.

I am seriously thinking these are not chemtrails now, only my pov obviously :)

[sweetnhigh]

What is in Chemtrails?
Here is the answer: you are being gassed, just as Hitler gassed our Jewish friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJWF_JpIyA



this is part 1 of 16 that you can link to easily on you tube.

[martg]

Hi Martg,

I was of the same thought process but I saw two planes at the same altitude leaving a 20 second contrail and that's all. I did not see one Chemtrail yesterday until this morning and the difference being the atmospherics had changed to allow moisture to sit in the air.

I am seriously thinking these are not chemtrails now, only my pov obviously :)

I am not too sure, after going on at my friends and family all year about chemtrails and swine flu vaccinations, I would be ecstatic to just be a 'tin foil hat wearing conspiracy loon' and nothing happens :p

I have been thinking I should get on eBay and buy myself a fairly good quality camera with a powerful zoom function to check out these aircraft in a bit more detail.

[martg]

What is in Chemtrails?
Here is the answer: you are being gassed, just as Hitler gassed our Jewish friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJWF_JpIyA



this is part 1 of 16 that you can link to easily on you tube.

thanks for the link sweetnhigh, watching now ;)

[willys girl]

Earlly one morning I watched a plane leaving a chemtrail.It was starting to spread out as they do when part of the chemtrail seemed to float downwards.It was odd and caught my attention.So I took some photos.The photos were taken from 6.36 to 6.42am.

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[banjoreality]

hi willys girl, from what I can see there are all sorts of different chems they spray, the weather manip kind they stay high up in the atmosphere, then there are all the others, probably bio weapon experimention/ depopulation programs, they spray them lower, they stay in the air up to three hours, spread and and come down. Keep talking to people, keep taking pics, don't ever let them tell you you're nuts (or at least pay no attention when they do).
Tried any sky healing technics? orgonite etc...?
take care

[willys girl]

Thanks banjoreality for taking the time to comment on my photos.No fear of me giving up spreading the word as I know people are listening.I know my efforts are not in vain so I will keep on ploughing through.:)

[martg]

About an hour ago I looked out of the window and it was a lovely clear blue sky, no clouds, no chemtrails.

Just now I looked out again and it's the worst I have ever seen, I have not got a camera at the moment or I would have posted a picture, but the blue is almost gone, just dozens of thick white chemtrails crisscrossing the sky, they seem to be spreading out quicker than usual too, but I don't know if that is just down to atmospheric conditions.

I really get the impression that it is building up to something, possibly related to the vaccination program.

[pistonbroke]

We had a beautiful clear blue sky over North Staffs up until noon,but now it's like this:

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr174/snaggletoooth/CatPictures048.jpg

[chipstyxx]

I'm in Manchester and I was shocked at the amounts of trails since this afternoon. There are clouds/trails that are sitting next to each other that are obviously different colours. Some are bright whites and some are a dirty orangey grey. It's not orange from the setting sun as they were there way before the sun starting to set. I could also see 'stuff' dropping down from some of the white trails, kind of like how ink seeps downwards if you put it on the top of a glass of water. I took some pics I might upload later.

As I was typing the guy on BBC 1 weather (the one that looks strangely like Tony Blair), said it would be cold tonight but that there was 'a large blanket of cloud over the north west'. No really Mr weatherman!? I've been watching it form. Are the met office in on it?

[pistonbroke]

I'm in Manchester and I was shocked at the amounts of trails since this afternoon. There are clouds/trails that are sitting next to each other that are obviously different colours. Some are bright whites and some are a dirty orangey grey. It's not orange from the setting sun as they were there way before the sun starting to set. I could also see 'stuff' dropping down from some of the white trails, kind of like how ink seeps downwards if you put it on the top of a glass of water. I took some pics I might upload later.

As I was typing the guy on BBC 1 weather (the one that looks strangely like Tony Blair), said it would be cold tonight but that there was 'a large blanket of cloud over the north west'. No really Mr weatherman!? I've been watching it form. Are the met office in on it?

I found out recently in a FOI request that the Met Office is actually a department of the Ministry of Defence.

[infowarrior89uk]

It was a beautiful clear day today here in Berkshire... untill this. :mad:

http://i33.tinypic.com/213luok.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2czec0n.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/2w5nf3t.jpg

[chipstyxx]

I found out recently in a FOI request that the Met Office is actually a department of the Ministry of Defence.

Very interesting pistonbroke! So yes, I suppose that would confirm they're 'in on it'.

It's confirmed on this government site too http://www.shareholderexecutive.gov.uk/performance/metoffice.asp

" Legal Status and Ownership

The Met Office is a trading fund of the Ministry of Defence."

[willys girl]

The sky over east London at sunset was amazing.There were lots of different cloud formations but it was the colours that were breath taking.Ive never seen a sky with such intense blue,red and lilac before.I got the kids to go outside and have a look and there were lots of wow's.Did anyone else see it?.

[wazaaap]

The sky is full of them today - from kent into london!!!

it is a disgrace - no one even notices!

[infowarrior89uk]

There was a beautiful sunset here in Berkshire but all that is forgotten now as I have woken up (@ 7:45am) to see this outside my window.

http://i34.tinypic.com/wunn5v.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/294l7yb.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/wgrexz.jpg



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[martg]

The sky is full of them today - from kent into london!!!

it is a disgrace - no one even notices!

I know what u mean, when I was out yesterday the trails didn't look even remotely like cloud and they were everywhere, crisscrossing the sky, and I didn't see a single person look up at them. :(

[infowarrior89uk]

They are still at it here in Berkshire.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2m7u5he.jpg

[augustus]

Have any of you guy's had any joy with informing local papers/authorities?
I've been taking photos for the last month or so and today has been especially bad (i'm in telford, west mids) i'ts like a blanket of smog in some places now.
I've got some pics up at -

http://s900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/augustus_dub/

I'm going to compose a letter now for the local paper but just wondered what your experiences have been?

[martg]

Have any of you guy's had any joy with informing local papers/authorities?
I've been taking photos for the last month or so and today has been especially bad (i'm in telford, west mids) i'ts like a blanket of smog in some places now.
I've got some pics up at -

http://s900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/augustus_dub/

I'm going to compose a letter now for the local paper but just wondered what your experiences have been?

Hi Augustus, welcome to the forums, I must admit that i've not tried to contact newspapers about this, but i've made many comments on the webpages of national newspapers and many of them have been censored (especially if I mention the New World Order) so I wouldn't expect too much from the MSM.
Maybe I would have more success with local papers as you suggest, when I get a camera i'll try that, thanks for the suggestion ;)

[augustus]

Hi Martg, and indeed everyone on these forums, found some very intersting things here.
I think you're right about not expecting much from the msm, it's a shame about the censorship you've experienced as well.
It's just that today i was so angered by what i could see whilst walking about. I kinda feel as though if i don't act on it in some capacity, the researching of infomation/hearing theroies etc will become some kind of sadistic/harrowing entertainment in a way? ha
ah well, gotta stay positive aye :)

[banjoreality]

Hi Martg, and indeed everyone on these forums, found some very intersting things here.
I think you're right about not expecting much from the msm, it's a shame about the censorship you've experienced as well.
It's just that today i was so angered by what i could see whilst walking about. I kinda feel as though if i don't act on it in some capacity, the researching of infomation/hearing theroies etc will become some kind of sadistic/harrowing entertainment in a way? ha
ah well, gotta stay positive aye :)

your right in all senses, I tried phoning Ministries and airports, they know what's happening, they've been briefed. Whilst being aproached by sheep, they just bleet in a sarcastic tone, try flyers and driving your mom nuts, that's what I do, never shut up, talk to everyone.
Love
Banjoboy

[infowarrior89uk]

I can't believe how much has been sprayed today here in Berkshire. By 7.45am the sky was already full of crosses so they must have begun rather early. It seems one chem-free day is often followed by a day of chemtrail criss crossed skies, and then a period of bad weather.

http://i36.tinypic.com/161m3oj.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/66dvup.jpg

[willys girl]

I woke up to a sky full of white haze with trails criss crossing everywhere.They were at it all day long but for some reason the trails did not stick and by this afternoon there was a lovely blue sky.Then before sunset the white haze was back.There have been lots of cases of sore throats in my area over the last couple of days and I cant help but look up and wonder.

[willys girl]

Oh I meant to say that ive thought of writing to our local paper.Im still working on how to word it so it does'nt sound like im a nutter.Will let you know when I do it.

[infowarrior89uk]

Well my prediction of bad weather was wrong. There's a beautiful clear sky today in Berkshire. :) I don't think I've spotted any activity today.. yet. After yesterday's bombardments I'm not sure what to make of that.

Whats it like in the rest of the UK?

[martg]

heavy overcast here.

[augustus]

Hey Banjoreality, thats great about phoning airports, there's a massive m.o.d base here and a flight training area called cosford (in fact it would make sense if the planes were leaving from there?) i'll look into that.

I'm quite lucky i guess in that now my mum, nan, brothers and a good mate are mentioning what they're seeing in the sky (my dad just laughs it off but i think he knows more than he lets on, he's always been interested in u.f.o's).

I think flyers could be a good idea for sure plus it would be a great way to get to know the neighbors as well (any links to some would be appreciated guys :)).

Oh and willys girl, i think what i might do with regards to a letter would be to come across as quite uninformed about the subject, just put lots of questions to them and not really give them much information apart from pictures and to express my concern? probably leave all hint of conspiracy/health detriment out to begin with. I'll see what they say and let you know how i got on.

[infowarrior89uk]

Oh and willys girl, i think what i might do with regards to a letter would be to come across as quite uninformed about the subject, just put lots of questions to them and not really give them much information apart from pictures and to express my concern? probably leave all hint of conspiracy/health detriment out to begin with. I'll see what they say and let you know how i got on.


I think that is probably the best way to go about it. I am going to send a letter with lots of questions, pictures, times and dates, to my local papers and radio stations.

[willys girl]

I agree its best to ask questions.Im taking my time composing the letter as its all too easy to say too much.London today was overcast and miserable.I hate days like today with clouds as far as the eye can see with not a glimpse of blue all day.

[vetis]

Posted this in its own thread..no replies hmm

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

Strange Russian cloud seeding, to remove moisture..so it doesn't rain during public celebrations?? Seems a LOT of expense to stop some rain, doesn't it?

Its related, even if they are..apparently..spraying stuff in the air for a different reason.

[martg]

Posted this in its own thread..no replies hmm

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

Strange Russian cloud seeding, to remove moisture..so it doesn't rain during public celebrations?? Seems a LOT of expense to stop some rain, doesn't it?

Its related, even if they are..apparently..spraying stuff in the air for a different reason.

Page not found, it look like it might have been removed

[moonflower]

Chemtrail picture in Daily Mail. Mail calls it "Streaks from early-morning flights criss-cross the sky"

Pahaha!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219760/Wrap-frosty-mornings-week.html

Someone posted that it is chemtrails in the comments section.

"Magnificient pictures BUT, and there's a big one: the first picture does NOT represent traces of normal planes flying in the sky. These are chemtrails pouring chemicals over our heads in the UK, in France, in Germany, in the US. Normal planes do not leave trails like this (the water vapour evaporates) while these linger all days long and get bigger. Planes NEVER fly in criss-cross like these. There are countless websites warning us of the dangers of these (Google 'chemtrails') but our governments just won't answer our questions: WHAT? WHY?
Please, inform yourselves and fight them."

[eternal wheel]

the first picture does NOT represent traces of normal planes flying in the sky.

yes it does.


These are chemtrails pouring chemicals over our heads in the UK, in France, in Germany, in the US.


no they are not.


Normal planes do not leave trails like this


yes they do.


(the water vapour evaporates)


not always, it depends on the prevailing weather conditions at altitude.



while these linger all days long and get bigger.


see above.



Planes NEVER fly in criss-cross like these.


nor are those ones. air liner flys across the sky, the wind blows the vapour trail across a bit, the next jet flys across on the same flight path as the first one... etc etc


There are countless websites warning us of the dangers of these



there are also countless wbsites warning us that tony blair and gordon brown are lizard beings from the planet zargg. it doesn't mean it's true....



our governments just won't answer our questions: WHAT? WHY?



water vapour. because jet exhaust is hotter than the surrounding atmosphere, so it condensates, like the inside of your car winscreen on a winters morning. or is that toxic chemicals too??


Please, inform yourselves.



yes, please do.

[moonflower]

I have also been sceptical of chemtrails but why is it then that I see one plane leaving no trail then another does. I always remember seeing planes passing leaving a trail then it dissipates, the skys seem absolutely clogged with these things now so I am starting to think what is going on?

How can normal vapour from a plane engine create a huge stretching cloud?

Like when you breath out in cold air it just dissipates.

M

[mystic nomad]

Posted this in its own thread..no replies hmm

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

Strange Russian cloud seeding, to remove moisture..so it doesn't rain during public celebrations?? Seems a LOT of expense to stop some rain, doesn't it?

Its related, even if they are..apparently..spraying stuff in the air for a different reason.

Paul McCartney played Red Square years ago. It cost him $12,000(I think)donation to the Russian Air Force to make sure it rained elsewhere on that day.

[eternal wheel]

I have also been sceptical of chemtrails but why is it then that I see one plane leaving no trail then another does. I always remember seeing planes passing leaving a trail then it dissipates, the skys seem absolutely clogged with these things now so I am starting to think what is going on?

How can normal vapour from a plane engine create a huge stretching cloud?

Like when you breath out in cold air it just dissipates.

M

ok, i believe that there is no doubt at all that 'they' (military/gvmt/whoever) are, and can, manipulate the weather with silver iodide etc. the USA did it as long ago as vietnam, (and before? i don't know). the chinese do it, the russians did it at chenobal to stop the fall out falling on their cities. we brits have done it many times, including the spectacular miss-reading of prevailing weather conditions leading to the lynton/lynmouth tragedy.
however, this doesn't mean that every civil aviation vapour trail is a chem trail.
some planes will leave a vapour trail that dissapates fairly quickly, others won't. some won't leave any at all. it's all to do with the weather conditions at the altitude the plane is flying at.
you question how normal vapour from a plane engine creates a huge stretching cloud? what do you think causes the huge stretching clouds in the first place??
warm air.
all the planes are doing is saving it the job of rising up there on it's own, they're depositing tonnes of lovely warm, moist, cloud making material up there free of charge!! any wonder some of it turns into clouds??


"Like when you breath out in cold air it just dissipates."

indeed, the principle is the same. now imagine how much air is coming out of the back of 4 big jet engines, and how much hotter it is than your breath, and factor in the fact that it can be down to -20'c up there. (the water doesn't freeze tho, it remains super-cooled and creates cirrus type clouds). if/when it does freeze we sometimes get 'fallstreak holes' (hole punch clouds to our american collegues) and 'angels' etc

4 pages of fallstreak hole pics here-
http://cloudappreciationsociety.org/gallery/index.php?x=browse&category=16&pagenum=1




my mind is not closed to the idea of chemtrails, i just haven't seen any evidence for them, yet.

[moonflower]

"indeed, the principle is the same. now imagine how much air is coming out of the back of 4 big jet engines, and how much hotter it is than your breath, and factor in the fact that it can be down to -20'c up there. (the water doesn't freeze tho, it remains super-cooled and creates cirrus type clouds). if/when it does freeze we sometimes get 'fallstreak holes' (hole punch clouds to our american collegues) and 'angels' etc
"

Yes but comparing the heat out of 4 jet engines to the size of the sky just doesn't seem to add up. I watched one of these clouds expand and expand and it appeared that others had converged to just cover the whole sky.

I always remember whenever I saw a plane at high altitude that the jet stream would dissipate fairly rapidly and I still see these but also you have the other ones with clouds being created so just can't imagine that the amount of water vapour being put out is enough to expand and expand to make a cloud like this.

As we know clouds build up through moisture rising and as we see on a hot day the clouds build so if you think how much moisture you need to keep adding to create natural clouds then think about 4 puny plane engines.

M

[eternal wheel]

i agree, many vapour trails are burnt off by the sun pretty quickly. these tend to be the ones that stay 'together', the ones that spread out and linger do so because of differing atmospheric conditions at the time/altitude.
there may well be a global conspiricy secretly spraying us with 'stuff', but so far, i've seen no proof whatsoever. just nice pics of vapour trails and clouds......

just as an aside, here's some lovely cloud shots. if nature can do this just with water in our skies, why can't some vapour trails spread out and hang around for a while??

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20090714173539_64honeymoon008.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20091016111947_lenticularisday.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/Omarama_Fallstreak.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20071215103454_rollcloud-lookout.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20080215201708_perlcloudsnorway-1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20070305124849_kelvin-helmholtzwave.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20070725095010_2007_06302007danube0.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/flumpkins/20060131182359_waterspouts1800.jpg


(the 'horseshoe' one is a horizontal mid-air tornado).

[skylinenorwich]

..Just for good measure, some chemtrail pics I have taken.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1831/chemtrail01.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2757/chemtrails02.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7076/chemtrails03.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7766/chemtrails04.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5906/chemtrails05.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1019/chemtrail06.jpg

This last picture would refract the light and create a sun dog effect like the 'meteor' in this Daily Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210447/Father-snaps-meteor-camera-phone-speeds-sky.html

..Or this 'meteor' taken by a 15 year old in Wales, which has impressed NASA scientists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/3163868.stm

'Opinion is divided at the moment and there are one or two questions which need to be answered," said Jay Tate from the centre, where studies into asteroids and comets are carried out.

Mr Tate said it could take up to six months before they discover what the fiery ball was, if the truth ever prevails.'

[eternal wheel]

sorry, i just don't get it???
why are they 'chemtrails'???
they're just vapour trails.
what is it that i'm missing here???

[wakeupworld]

Your missing the fact that people have tested the chemtrails. They eventually fall to the ground and contain chemicals such as barium. Samples have been tested in labarotories.

[eternal wheel]

excellent!! who? how? where? when? show me!!!
why barium? what is it supposed to do?
so there's an un-interupted 'paper trail'; vid/pics of a plane 'spraying', time, date, location noted. continous vid until collection, collection and sealing of samples under strict conditions, testing at independent labs.

if true, this is exactly the sort of real scientific evidence i (and others) need to be convinced!!

bring it on! this could be very exiting!

[banjoreality]

excellent!! who? how? where? when? show me!!!
why barium? what is it supposed to do?
so there's an un-interupted 'paper trail'; vid/pics of a plane 'spraying', time, date, location noted. continous vid until collection, collection and sealing of samples under strict conditions, testing at independent labs.

if true, this is exactly the sort of real scientific evidence i (and others) need to be convinced!!

bring it on! this could be very exiting!

go and get "convinced" on an other site, I know it seems to flatter you, but you're obviuosly intel, the harder you push for your evidence, the more people post links and pictures that will "convince" thousands of people, in the last year people have gone from "where's the evidence?" to "what can I do to help fight this?" (answer: alot).

[eternal wheel]

go and get "convinced" on an other site,
sorry??
who are you to tell me that?
do you own this site? are you Admin? a Mod?
maybe you just think i should blindly and unquestioningly follow whatever you say about vapour trails?
don't think so.:rolleyes:
seeing as you're the only one telling me to go, and everyone else seems happy to assist my personal inversigation into this phemomena, i think i'll stay, thanks.

I know it seems to flatter you, but you're obviuosly intel,
intelegent?
intelegence?

the harder you push for your evidence, the more people post links and pictures that will "convince" thousands of people, in the last year people have gone from "where's the evidence?" to "what can I do to help fight this?" (answer: alot).

which is exactly what we all want, isn't it??

or are you the disinfo agent?? maybe you're planting disinfo to steer us away from what's really going on and don't like the fact that i'm questioning it..........

[skylinenorwich]

Originally Posted by eternal wheel
just as an aside, here's some lovely cloud shots. if nature can do this just with water in our skies, why can't some vapour trails spread out and hang around for a while??
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6079/aspergerscloud.jpg


I am curious to know what the Cloud Appreciation Society, reports has caused these new cloud formations.

I saw an article in the Daily Mail, it didn't take long before I concluded that it was due to chemtrails - 2 comments also reflected this :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1189877/The-cloud-Meteorologists-campaign-classify-unique-Asperatus-clouds-seen-world.html

How about chemtrails
- Steve, Preston Uk, 31/5/2009 23:15

Ha! We've had substantially similar formations here for years now. Chemtrails + HAARP weather modification = never-before-seen "clouds." Relax. It's just the New Mother Nature taking over...
- JB LeMage, Bloomington, Il., USA, 31/5/2009 23:54

Great to see those comments! :D

[antinwo]

Think we have another Marpat guys:D

[lw71]

sorry, i just don't get it???
why are they 'chemtrails'???
they're just vapour trails.
what is it that i'm missing here???

why are they 'vapour trails' ???
they're just chemtrails. ;)

[kryst]

excellent!! who? how? where? when? show me!!!
why barium? what is it supposed to do?
so there's an un-interupted 'paper trail'; vid/pics of a plane 'spraying', time, date, location noted. continous vid until collection, collection and sealing of samples under strict conditions, testing at independent labs.

if true, this is exactly the sort of real scientific evidence i (and others) need to be convinced!!

bring it on! this could be very exiting!

Right. First off, stop being a deek. It's as if you've come into our pub and started shitting on the bar. Show some respect for the locals, yeah?

Second, if you'd have done some research for yourself, instead of asking for:

"an un-interupted vid of a plane 'spraying', time, date, location [...] continous vid until collection, collection and sealing of samples under strict conditions, testing at independent labs"

Then you'd realise that nothing like that exists for anything, let alone a government-denied conspiracy theory. 'Guuhhhh, you can't prove that marijuana exists without an uninterrupted video of someone collecting samples and testing under strict conditions at an independent lab'.

Sorry for not being able to supply an uninterrupted video, but here are *some* of your lab results...

http://www.carnicom.com/flame1.htm
http://www.carnicom.com/model1.htm
http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm

And here's a video of some water vapour. For some reason YouTube removed it, but here's a mirror:
http://www.jucaa.com/node/175540

I welcome you.

[lw71]

And here's a video of some water vapour. For some reason YouTube removed it, but here's a mirror:
http://www.jucaa.com/node/175540



'Ha ha - the silly pilot who made that CONTRAIL must have forgot where he was meant to be going or maybe his compass broke and he got a bit lost on his map of the sky & that stuff that looks like dirty smoke must be the steam from his hot propellers twirling round super fast' ;)

[infowarrior89uk]

The sky's looking very odd today in Berks.

http://i38.tinypic.com/1zebb0h.jpg

[eternal wheel]

Right. First off, stop being a deek. It's as if you've come into our pub and started shitting on the bar. Show some respect for the locals, yeah?
.

deek??
nothing that makes any sense on google or wiki?? maybe it's a slang word from wherever you're from??

no, it's as if i've stumbled accross your pub whilst looking for another pub. but your pub looked very interesting, so i grabbed a pint and listened to the locals chatting.
i couldn't believe what i was hearing, vapour trails really being chemical sprays containing gawd knows what, and invisible beings that eat the chemicals to help save us.
i joined in a couple of conversations with the locals, but got called a "disinfo agent" for asking questions instead of blindly believing what was being said.
i followed up some info given by the locals, and to my asonishment found that a small part of what was being claimed might be true.
now 99.9% of stuff in the sky is vapour trails and clouds, but the other 0.1%?? i'm having trouble explaining that away....
and the 'sylphs' are clearly virga, and to suggest any different is just plain madness.
so, shitting on the bar?? don't think so.
still seems more asylum than pub, but hey, i've learnt some new stuff, and had a good laugh along the way so far....

[lw71]

We've had a few clear days in the SE corner but they've started up again today.
Not much sticking though - thanks Gary !!! ;)

[pureheart]

I presume you have already seen this eternal wheel ....


Guardian: British Govt Admits Millions were in Germ War Tests *

Guardian
21.04.2002
By Antony Barnett

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain’s biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any ‘inquisitive inquirer’ the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain’s vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, ‘The Fluorescent Particle Trials’, reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, ‘Large Area Coverage Trials’, the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in ‘The Sabotage Trials’ between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders’ webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London’s West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette’s three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: ‘I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.’

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: ‘I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence’s claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.’

The MoD report traces the history of the UK’s research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: ‘Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.’

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: ‘Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

‘The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.’

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: ‘It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.’


http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=24

[martg]

^good post

thanks for the info pureheart :)

Mart

[lw71]

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: ‘Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

‘The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.’

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: ‘It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.’


http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=24

Thanks Sue. It's good to know you lot are looking out for us from on high, keep up the good work. :rolleyes:

[eternal wheel]

indeed i have, pureheart.
maybe you mis-understand my position, (or i'm not staing it clearly??), i totally accept this shit goes on, but NOT on the scale suggested in this sub-forum, where every vapour trail is toxic. my view is that 1% would be pushing it, but i'm more than willing to be swayed on that point with proper evidence.
nice pics of vapour trails and screams of 'look, chemtrails!' simply don't count as evidence in the real world.

[lw71]

Massive trail laying on the SE coast again today.

[martg]

Massive trail laying on the SE coast again today.

thanks for the update lw71, keep 'em coming :)

overcast for the last few days here (manchester) so no idea if they are spraying

[eternal wheel]

Massive trail laying on the SE coast again today.

so where do all these planes come from then??
how come no-one ever sees them taking off/landing?
i did spend a while 'hanging round' near brize norton back a bit, (seemed like as good a place as any..) but nothing out of the ordinary caught my eye.
england is only of finite size, and one of the most populus places on the planet, how come no-one sees anything??
and if it's going on on a masive scale, globally, for over 10 years how come there's not more evidence, i mean, fuck me, even project have blue leaked out in the 70's and that was tiny compared to whats supposedly going on now.

the 'they add it secretly to the fuel' is a non-starter, have you seen what happens to a jet engine with shite in the fuel? contamination specs are below 30PPM (parts per million), and thats hardly gonna show up 30,000 feet up, is it. the mysterious 'black sludge' found in some tanks is just algie.
the 'secret compartments with lots of speciallised plumbing and tubes to wick it out of the trailing edge of the wings' is totally ridiculous. have you any idea how rigorously these things are checked?? you can't just go adding bits to airliners willy nilly, and if it was designed in from the begining then it would be widespread knowledge by now.
so whats going on?
endulge me here...
lets list the options, (feel free to add extra ones), and apply occams razor....

1) there has been a secret, global conspiricy for at least 10 years, on a massive scale, to spray 'stuff' into the atmosphere, nearly every day, in an orchistrated manner, across the planet. this may be for weather manipulation for unknown reasons, or other, human alteration based reasons. this may occour by secretly altering civil jet fuel with contaminates, secretly adding extra bits to civil planes, discuising military planes as civil ones or using drones with holographic projectors in to make them look like air liners. however 'they' are doing it, they are managing to do it on a massive global scale with virtually no leaks.(sorry 'bout the pun).
there may also be benign, invisible, sentient entities living in our upper atmosphere which 'eat' the poisons to aid mankind. these are called 'sylphs' and can only be seen after they have 'eaten' a chemtrail. they look remarkably like clouds known as 'virga'.

2)whilst no-one is arguing that spraying at altitude has/does take place, sometimes, due to weather conditions at higher altitudes, vapour trails spread out and linger. these are also the same conditions in which 'virga' clouds may form. this accounts for over 99% of supposed 'chemtrail' activity.



can you see the difficulty i'm having here???




another point,

on day 1, a clear, hot, sunny day, there are no clouds in the sky, and no trails, con, or chem. there are still hundreds of planes flying up there, you just can't see them because they don't leave trails today. many hundreds of miles away, a weather front is slowly moving towards you....

day 2 arrives. the weather front is nearer and conditions in the upper atmosphere have changed slightly, although it still looks the same from the ground. planes begin to leave vapour trails, which dispurse fairly quickly. later on in the day the conditions have changed again, and the vapour trails begin to linger. the prevailing winds blow them slowly accross the sky, so as the next planes pass, they leave their trails in a series of parallel lines. as late afternoon aproaches, cirrus clouds begin to form high in the sky, thin, hazy clouds, which usually precede a weather system. as evening draws in the trails continue to linger, and the cloud thickens.

day 3 arrives overcast and damp. it soon begins to rain.




weather manipulation by secret forces spraying our skies in an orchistrated, global manner, or normal weather?
i know which i believe.

[eternal wheel]

no response??

[pistonbroke]

no response??

Have a look at the interesting cloud formation to the north and west of Ireland in this (Met Office) satellite photo.The wind at the time was easterly,and I feel it most likely that this formation was sprayed deliberately over mainland Britain.
Maybe you have an explanation?

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr174/snaggletoooth/WEB_sat_ir_eur.jpg

[eternal wheel]

pistonbroke = michael jones??

[eternal wheel]

the area of air to the northwest of ireland is below 57'C.
the area around this 'cold bubble' of air is above 57'C.
this causes the vapour trails outside this bubble to evaporate relatively quickly.
the 'trails within do not evaporate because the air is too cool. ('certain' people will now start shouting "CHEMTRAIL"......).
the trajectory of these trails shows them to be UK/european civil commercial flights to/from northern USA.

next?

[pistonbroke]

the area of air to the northeast of ireland is below 57'C.
the area around this 'cold bubble' of air is above 57'C.
this causes the vapour trails outside this bubble to evaporate relatively quickly.
the 'trails within do not evaporate because the air is too cool. ('certain' people will now start shouting "CHEMTRAIL"......).
the trajectory of these trails shows them to be UK/european civil commercial flights to/from northern USA.

next?

And now the proof?

[eternal wheel]

how about you prove i'm wrong......;)

you asked for an explanation, i have tendered one.

[pistonbroke]

how about you prove i'm wrong......;)

you asked for an explanation, i have tendered one.

You were all about seeing the proof earlier in this thread,does this not apply to you and the "information" you offer?
You need to back up your claims with some evidence,you are obviously a meteorologist so this should be simple for you.

[eternal wheel]

seing as your photo is nearly 3 months old, data collection may prove slightly more difficult than normal......

I need to back up my claims with evidence???:rolleyes::D:D:D

how does it go? oh yes, i remember, *post pic of vapour trail* "it's a chemtrail, it's a chemtrail, it's a chemtrail".

there you go, exactly the same amount of evidence that is deemed acceptable by the majority of posters on this forum.

now don't go trying to wriggle out of it, mike, you prove i'm wrong, with evidence.....

shall i hold my breath?????:rolleyes:

[eternal wheel]

The wind at the time was easterly,and I feel it most likely that this formation was sprayed deliberately over mainland Britain.


so the huge, global organisation that sprays chemtrails on a daily basis onto us went to all the trouble of spraying britian on sept 12th, then watched it all float out into the atlantic, still thousands of feet up??

don't make me laugh.:rolleyes:
do you actually think about what you're writing before clicking the 'submit reply' button???