Northampton Mason Hall Pentagram

[raiden]

Fairly new to forums, so sorry if i have posted this in the wrong place.

After hearing about a freemason hall in Northampton i did a quick google search i found this picture:

<img src= http://www.northants-huntsmasons.org.uk/images/1889_fdn_stone_laying.jpg />

"PGM, Earl of Euston, Laying Foundation Stone of Princes Street Masonic Hall, Northampton, 1889"

Notice the symbology?
Im still very open minded about half the symbology i see, but i thought this was quite interesting being as it is so blatant.

I also did a search into this Earl of Euston and found some information about involvement with a homosexual brothel??

[grandsecretary]

I also did a search into this Earl of Euston and found some information about involvement with a homosexual brothel??

Good advice:

And since the very best of us are but poor frail Creatures, full of Ignorance and Infirmity, so that in Justice we ought to tolerate each other, and exercise that Patience towards our Companions to Day, which we shall give them occasion to shew towards us to Morrow.

—Some Reflections upon Marriage by Mary Astell

The Pentagram is used in freemasonry as a symbol of "perfection" - the pentagon being mathematical perfection. The Pentagram, being a useful symbol, is also used by others, including the Christian Faith as a symbol for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and it has been used for thousands of years. Like the Swastika or Gammadion it means different things to different people.

... exercise that Patience towards our Companions to Day, which we shall give them occasion to shew towards us to Morrow.

If you remember, the National Front almost succeeded in turning the symbol of the Union Flag into a symbol for national racism.

[raiden]

Im just throwing it out there with an interest of opinions.
I wasnt aware of the pentagram being a symbol for perfection also.

[nihil]

A luciferine perfection...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyuhhH2g5lY

[marpat]

A luciferine perfection...



Please explain how that is? to some the pentagram is the 5 elements in harmony and balance so can you explain how that is bad.

You see evil everywhere but that is just a reflection of your own inner darkness.

[nihil]

Just look at the video, the 2nd part is about a pentagram.

I can't say enjoy because it is filthy.

[mike martin]

A luciferine perfection...
Can you stop making words up! I had a look in an on-line dictionary for you and I think you are trying to write "luciferian"!

So assuming you mean luciferian, and aside from the made-up video you've found, how exactly is a symbol that has been used to represent the wounds suffered by a particular son of God and that appears in demonolgy as a protection against demons luciferian?

Mike

[nihil]

scapegoat slain onto a very pentacle - or pentagram - to get in touch with so-called demons.

[marpat]

Just look at the video, the 2nd part is about a pentagram.

I can't say enjoy because it is filthy.

The thing is that people can make all sorts of videos on any subject they want but is there any real truth in it. I could make a video of people doing obscene things with a crucifix but would that mean there is something evil about crucifixes or that somebody had just been abusing them?

So what is wrong with the form of the pentagram IN ITSELF rather than the way some obsessed christian decides it is?

[marpat]

scapegoat slain onto a very pentacle - or pentagram - to get in touch with so-called demons.

But why not use an inverted cross? the inverted cross is thought to be a symbol of evil and as the upright cross is associated with the sacrifice of jesus for good then the inverted cross should be an evil sacrifice. So why should a pentagram be used? what is wrong with the pentagram in itself?

[nihil]

you masons can do whatever you want on checkerboards and pentagrams.

by the way pentacles are not found in Kindergartens. Ride your demons.

Enjoy.

[marpat]

Typical programmed response from somebody who knows nothing except what he has read on the internet.

[nihil]

Funny. The term 'programmed' used by a mason is real fun.

[marpat]

But I am not and never have been a mason. I do know something about symbolism though

[grandsecretary]

What does assume do nihil old son?

http://bankerinindia.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/20/indian_wild_ass_rhan_of_kutch_gujar.jpg

It puts an *** in front of you and me!

:) Love it.

[rapunzel]

But why not use an inverted cross? the inverted cross is thought to be a symbol of evil and as the upright cross is associated with the sacrifice of jesus for good then the inverted cross should be an evil sacrifice. So why should a pentagram be used? what is wrong with the pentagram in itself?

Nothing wrong with a pentagram. It's just a shape that's been used throughout the ages with different meanings.

If you cut an apple through its equator you will find a perfect five pointed star. Maybe apples are intrisically evil:D

[rapunzel]

Just look at the video, the 2nd part is about a pentagram.

I can't say enjoy because it is filthy.

Who's the woman in the long white dress at the end?

[stevepenny]

The early teachers of Christianity used many of the more ancient symbols and customs to impress the new doctrine of the Christian dispensation, and. among these, that of the five-pointed star, to symbolize the physical sufferings of the Saviour at the crucifixion, representing by it the five wounds inflicted on His person—those in His hands, his feet, and his side. It is also well known to you that this figure is still often used as a Christian symbol in the Christmas decorations of the i-hurclles, and also in ecclesiastic architecture, reminding Ihe devout worshipper of the birth, the life, the death, tin; resurrection, and the ascension of our Divine Redeemer.

It is in this confinuation by the resurrection and ascension to His native skies of the Saviour of the world that' the final triumph of life over death and good owr evil is, according to the Divine promise in Eden, confirmed unto man. This is the overflowing cup of the promise which is so dear to the Christian faith.
In the sublime ceremonies of the third degree the power of thn Lion of the tribe of Jndah is foreshadowed to the Christian Mason in a manner, which, if comprehended, is never forgotten. It is the great trinmph of this power over sin and death, which is so impressively exemplified in our Templar rituals and ceremonies that links, in the philosophy of Masonic science, Christian Knighthood with Ancient Craft Masonry. Both the esoteric and exoteric parts of our American system of Templar Knighthood, like those of the Royal Arch degree, are but amplifications or historic elucidations of our third degree in Ancient Masonry. (Mystic Star, vol. 16-17, p. 201)

Please ignore the typo's, it doesn't scan from the original too well.

[boots]

But I am not and never have been a mason. I do know something about symbolism though

Yes you are a mason you are OTO. lie all you want. The truth is the truth and as for the pentagram go, as soon as you invert it or distort it, it takes on a negative meaning. Thats what satanist do. You should know that.

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[grandsecretary]

boots I have been singing your praises on another thread because you have been forceful but reasonable lately, and then you go and call someone a liar, quite unnecessarily.

Why don't you simply ask him if he is a member of Ordo Templis Orientalis? If he is, then you can ask him whether or not he considers it to be Freemasonry. He might not.

That elucidates.

[marpat]

Yes you are a mason you are OTO. lie all you want. The truth is the truth and as for the pentagram go, as soon as you invert it or distort it, it takes on a negative meaning. Thats what satanist do. You should know that.

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Only total retards think the OTO is a masonic group, which is why it doesnt shock me that you say such a thing. Your ideas are too primitive to discuss in reality.

I am probably more aware of uses of the pentagram than you are. Its quite amusing that you tell me what I should know when you are pretty ignorant of the magical methods and knowledge. You only know superficial appearances.

[marpat]

boots I have been singing your praises on another thread because you have been forceful but reasonable lately, and then you go and call someone a liar, quite unnecessarily.

Why don't you simply ask him if he is a member of Ordo Templis Orientalis? If he is, then you can ask him whether or not he considers it to be Freemasonry. He might not.

That elucidates.

I am a member and it is not a masonic group. Crowley was given the 33 deg in Mexico but it was never recognised in England. In fact Crowley developed quite a critical view of freemasonry which is shown in some of his writings. OTO initations may appear superficially similar to masonic ones, which is unavoidable in any practical terms, but they are not masonic rituals and they do not confer any masonic links or priveleges. Boots is pretty ignorant and will no doubt produce a pic of Crowley in masonic regali but this does not prove that it is a masonic body.

History of the OTO:

http://www.oto-uk.org/OTO-history.php

Quote

"He [Crowley] was frustrated with the elaborate preparations required to stage Masonic initiations, and with the length of the Masonic rituals and their excessive wordiness. Crowley perceived these factors to be impediments to successful implementation among modern working people. He believed that the symbolic content of the Masonic rituals had become garbled nearly to the point of uselessness, and he wished to use the system of O.T.O. to help spread the teachings of Thelema."

[grandsecretary]

Well that sets the record straight. Thanks.