Masonic Goat Riding

[jewellerymaker]

Good point. You can't become a Freemason via the link you gave. You could, however, join HFAF, OWF or LDH. The last one is mixed and the former two women only. Theres another mixed GL in the UK too.

Why in preference to any other group of people or are they just a handy target?

Thats a metter for you.

Pity a lot of other posters here don't really.

Cheers

Hello. The reason I prefer this group to any other, is mainly the amount of freemasons in high positions of power and the rituals and secrecy. Obviously, as I said, I prefer proof, but also I can't ignore my own intuition! Perhaps it's the reptilian overlords controlling the freemasons and the freemasons are just as innocent, mind controlled by-standers as the rest of us. I really don't know who to label as the 'top dog' and maybe I'm just plum crazy!

Obviously, I don't know you. But how do any of us know who is telling the truth? Trouble with the internet. However, I believe you ARE telling the truth. Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that higher up, different locations, that this stuff IS going on, and for evil means. It just may be that YOU don't know about it, or even your entire lodge has no awareness of it. As I understand it, each lodge can be quite different, especially in different countries. Who knows what's really going on.

If someone came along and showed me evidence of another 'brotherhood' with more compelling evidence, then I would probably change my mind - I'm very open and believe what I believe at any given time. I just can't ignore all the connections/symbolism/stories. If you've read The Biggest Secret, you know what I mean. If you haven't read it, you probably know what I mean anyway! :)

....remember, evidence isn't proof......

[thelucifer]

Good point. You can't become a Freemason via the link you gave.

Nor any other link.

You could, however, join HFAF, OWF or LDH. The last one is mixed and the former two women only. Theres another mixed GL in the UK too.

Non of which are Freemasonry, they are not regular/recognized Freemasonry.

You know that your answer is meaningless/a non factor because joining a clandestine group is not joining freemasonry as a Freemason, which was her point of course.

Still playing games keystone. :rolleyes:




Pity a lot of other posters here don't really.

Cheers

LOL, like all freemasons here !!!

[psychic hearts]

[QUOTE=keystone;1059570250]OK so its hearsay then.....QUOTE]

No actually it's true, and as far as it being a "joke" to scare people, a lot more stranger things I'm sure go on in masonic temples.

[stompk]

[QUOTE=keystone;1059570250]OK so its hearsay then.....QUOTE]

No actually it's true, and as far as it being a "joke" to scare people, a lot more stranger things I'm sure go on in masonic temples.

I agree with that 100%

:D

[luciferhorus]

No actually it's true, and as far as it being a "joke" to scare people, a lot more stranger things I'm sure go on in masonic temples.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1831b3821ed5.jpg

Yes, including rather strange rites which include, BDSM style humilation, beatings, the application of electric shocks to genitals, the application of whipped cream and strawberries to the genitals, mock executions and a host of other types of hazing; and then there is the matter of their prostitute parties and so forth; there is ample evidence of all this which I have presented on the thread: "[i]On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters[i]," on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread664293/pg1

Lux

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_the_branding_whirling_table.jpg

[cnumb]

Nor any other link.



Non of which are Freemasonry, they are not regular/recognized Freemasonry.

You know that your answer is meaningless/a non factor because joining a clandestine group is not joining freemasonry as a Freemason, which was her point of course


Actually, HFAF and OWF are regular in their freemasonry. That is to say that they follow broadly similar and in some cases identical ritual as UGLE/GLoS male Freemasons. Feel free to check out the UGLE web page and you'll see I'm correct.

[twilighterheart]

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[stompk]

Thursday morning, North Potomac-Darnestown Patch reported a goat led police and animal control officers on an hour long zigzag chase, thwarting them all before running onto the CSX railroad tracks and disappearing.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? It's been a while since we've had a Goatman spotting. Although photos reveal this goat may not be the goat, could there be an awakening out there, stirring fellow creatures into action -- as our own Goatman wanders from home, perhaps reeling from flashbacks of that original explosion that turned him half-goat, half-man?

http://greenbelt.patch.com/articles/elusive-goat-thwarts-police

Ahh, the legend eh.

Haven't forgot ya masons. ;)

[dr steam]

Thanks to OP to this fantastic entertaining thread and all Participants
(even if it won most of a night's sleep)

The real entertainment value for me has been the various Freemason defence reactions and their pseudo argumentation ...:)

It is clear to see that when these defence methods do not work, they resort to the panicky personal attacks

The fruit from their tree is hidden...and why is that

[agneau]

Actually, HFAF and OWF are regular in their freemasonry. That is to say that they follow broadly similar and in some cases identical ritual as UGLE/GLoS male Freemasons. Feel free to check out the UGLE web page and you'll see I'm correct.

Sparkling logic. QED if I follow the same cake recipe as they gave in the town hall at Nuneaten last Thursay evening, then that makes me a member of the WI?

Unfortunately, just looking like a rose, does not make you a rose.

[agneau]

It is clear to see that when these defence methods do not work, they resort to the panicky personal attacks



You'd never see me doing that, you ugly twat.

[dr steam]

You'd never see me doing that, you ugly twat.

If it should not be construed as a kind of sarcastic joke

I can only say that it confirms my view and that
there are some opinions which say more about the sender than the receiver

[abcnick]

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1831b3821ed5.jpg

Yes, including rather strange rites which include, BDSM style humilation, beatings, the application of electric shocks to genitals, the application of whipped cream and strawberries to the genitals, mock executions and a host of other types of hazing; and then there is the matter of their prostitute parties and so forth; there is ample evidence of all this which I have presented on the thread: "[i]On Masonic Charity. The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters[i]," on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread664293/pg1

Lux

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/demoulin/images/demoulin_the_branding_whirling_table.jpg

This has no connection to what goes on in a masonic lodge at least in Europe, all this demoulin stuff. Your posts on this demoulin prank stuff seems not too serious to me as you are misdirecting the attention of any unsuspecting readers towards something that I happen to know is completely on the "fringe" of what masonry is and to be honest has little or nothing to do with anything that really matters about masonry. In Europe I cannot say that this is in any way shape or form a part of the "masonic picture" at all. Looks like where the college frats collect some of their prankish rituals from. And we all know how "seriously esoteric and deep" those frats are.

On another note, the recurring featuring of "the devil" in these prank rituals reminds me that I suspect deep esoteric/occult stuff was (by whom, is anyones guess) *purposefully associated with the devil to scare away people that was not supposed to get to know deeper truths.*

[stompk]

AgResearch experiments on genetically modified goats have resulted in the animals producing mostly transgender offspring, which are being milked to find out whether they carry the intended human protein.

The goats have been bred on the state science company's Ruakura facility in Hamilton, where experiments are being done to create pharmaceuticals.

Soil and Health New Zealand spokesman Steffan Browning, who recently toured the facility, said 75 per cent of the goats were females in sterile male bodies. AgResearch staff refer to them as "goys".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=10731873

Maybe the Masons need a new type of Goat to ride...

A new scapegoy?

[stompk]

This has no connection to what goes on in a masonic lodge at least in Europe, all this demoulin stuff.

Apparently, the Masons aren't required to be honest. :rolleyes:

[eppyone]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=10731873

Maybe the Masons need a new type of Goat to ride...

A new scapegoy?
What is a "scapegoy"?

[marpat]

Apparently, the Masons aren't required to be honest. :rolleyes:

That would give them something in common with conspiracy theorists

[marpat]

What is a "scapegoy"?

He is trying to make an anti-semitic joke. Obviously to these people being 'awakened' also means having a problem with jews in general

[stompk]

He is trying to make an anti-semitic joke. Obviously to these people being 'awakened' also means having a problem with jews in general

Tell me one good thing the Jews have done for the world.

[marpat]

Tell me one good thing the Jews have done for the world.

lol, such questions can be applied to many peoples/ races and religions. This doesn't excuse the fact that you are anti-semitic bigot. Not your fault I suppose, just the way you have been programmed by the conspiracy gurus




An Informal List of Jewish Inventions, Innovations and Radical Ideas

By Kathryn Bernheimer on October 23, 2009 - 5 Heshwan 5770


From Kathryn Bernheimer’s presentation on why Jews have been innovators in disproportionate numbers at ”Smashing the Idols: A Teach-in and Launch of MoVeRs”:

REALLY PRACTICAL INVENTIONS: Jeans, Lipstick, the Ballpoint Pen, Contraceptives, Instant Coffee, Television Remote Control, Traffic Lights, Scotchguard, the Flexistraw.

REALLY BIG INVENTIONS: The Atomic Bomb, the Thermonuclear Bomb, God, Genetic Engineering, the Nuclear Chain Reactor, Virtual Reality.

CULTURAL CONTRIBUTIONS: Hollywood, the Sit-Com, the Long Playing Record, Woodstock, Sound Movies, Videotape, Color Television, Instant Photography, Holography

GAME CHANGERS: Monotheism, Psychoanalysis, the Theory of Relativity, the Weekend (Shabbat)

INVENTIONS BEGINNING WITH THE LETTER “C’: Capitalism, Communism, Circumcision, Cheesecake, Cafeterias

NEVER BUY RETAIL: Discount Stores, Pawn Shops, the Shopping Cart and the Ready-to-Wear Clothing Industry

I FEEL BETTER ALREADY: Prozac, Valium, The Polio Vaccine, Radiation, Chemotherapy, the Artificial Kidney Dialysis machine, the Defibrillator, the Cardiac Pacemaker, Vaccination against the deadly “Hepatitis B” virus, the Vaccinating Needle, Laser Technology

CHAI TECH: Google, the Wire Transmission Facsimilie (FAX) , the Microphone, the Gramophone, the Microprocessing Chip, Optical Fiber Cable, Laser, Cellular Technology, the Videotape Recorder

HOW DID WE LIVE WITHOUT THESE?: Drip Irrigation, Scale Model Electric Trains, the Pager, the Walkie-talkie, Refrigerated Railroad Car, High-vacuum Electron Tubes, the Incandescent Lamp, Kodachrome Film, the Blimp, the Adding Machine, Stainless Steel, Tapered Roller Bearings.




A NOBLE PEOPLE: At least 178 Jews have been awarded the Nobel Prize, accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world’s population and 2% of the US population).

[stompk]

From Kathryn Bernheimer’s presentation on why Jews have been innovators in disproportionate numbers at ”Smashing the Idols: A Teach-in and Launch of MoVeRs”:



REALLY BIG INVENTIONS: The Atomic Bomb, the Thermonuclear Bomb, God, Genetic Engineering, the Nuclear Chain Reactor, Virtual Reality.



They invented God? And it was the French who learned how to split the atom. If the Jews want to take credit for creating a weapon to destroy, from what could have been a useful tool, so be it.

And Genetic Engineering? Good grief, absolutely nothing good has come from that...

But why doesn't this surprise me, that you view these things as good, since you seem to love Alistair Crowley, super pig himself.

What a schmuck.

[skaff]

They invented God? And it was the French who learned how to split the atom. If the Jews want to take credit for creating a weapon to destroy, from what could have been a useful tool, so be it.

And Genetic Engineering? Good grief, absolutely nothing good has come from that...

But why doesn't this surprise me, that you view these things as good, since you seem to love Alistair Crowley, super pig himself.

What a schmuck.

Interesting that, when asked for one you receive 71 and then criticise 3, one of which was blatantly tongue in cheek.

I have yet to see anyone successfully denegrate an entire race successfully and right now you don't seem to be breaking that record. If you have a problem with some Jews then that is your right. However you are not, nor in my opinion will ever be able to justify tarring all with your particular brand of distate.

[stompk]

Interesting that, when asked for one you receive 71 and then criticise 3, one of which was blatantly tongue in cheek.

I have yet to see anyone successfully denegrate an entire race successfully and right now you don't seem to be breaking that record. If you have a problem with some Jews then that is your right. However you are not, nor in my opinion will ever be able to justify tarring all with your particular brand of distate.

The Jews are a religion, not a race...That's why people can become a Jew, without being born in Israel.

I don't need to denegrate the Jewish race, they have done it to themselves.

Why do I not find it surprising that people are defending the Jews in a thread about the Masons?

Oh yeah, the Jews invented the Masons too. :cool:

[skaff]

The Jews are a religion, not a race...That's why people can become a Jew, without being born in Israel.

I don't need to denegrate the Jewish race, they have done it to themselves.

Why do I not find it surprising that people are defending the Jews in a thread about the Masons?

Oh yeah, the Jews invented the Masons too. :cool:

Guess what Stompk, you can be black without being born in Africa. Who'd have thought it!!?

I wonder who raised the topic of the Jews on a masonic thread?

And if only i had a shekel for every time i hear the defence of a racist to be 'the jews are a religion, not a race'. Oh well that is alright then.

You CANNOT slur an entire people based on your opinion of a few and expect it not to be questioned. If you have an issue with this being on the wrong thread then, by all means take it elsewhere and i will debate it with you but, regardless of what thread it is on it is wrong and i can't just read it and walk away, sorry.

And i notice you didn't discuss my OP on your reasoning behind your cherry picking of only 5% of the evidence put before you.

[stompk]

I wonder who raised the topic of the Jews on a masonic thread?


Umm, marpat? I was playing on an article I found about them calling transvestite goats "goy", and I made a joke about it being a scapegoy, instead of scapegoat...Not one mention about the Jews.

But, I'll admit, I can't stand the Jewish religion. So if that makes me
Hitler, so be it.


And if only i had a shekel for every time i hear the defence of a racist to be 'the jews are a religion, not a race'.

It's kinda like calling the Mormons a race. :rolleyes:

[stompk]

And i notice you didn't discuss my OP on your reasoning behind your cherry picking of only 5% of the evidence put before you.

You really want to go there?

For example, Jews did not invent drip irrigation.


Drip irrigation has been used since ancient times when buried clay pots were filled with water, which would gradually seep into the grass. Modern drip irrigation began its development in Afghanistan in 1866 when researchers began experimenting with irrigation using clay pipe to create combination irrigation and drainage systems.[citation needed] In 1913, E.B. House at Colorado State University succeeded in applying water to the root zone of plants without raising the water table. Perforated pipe was introduced in Germany in the 1920s and in 1934, O.E. Nobey experimented with irrigating through porous canvas hose at Michigan State University

Drip irrigation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plenty of evidence the Egyptians used clay pots to irrigate. Next, you're going to say the Jews invented clay pots. :cool:

[skaff]

Umm, marpat? I was playing on an article I found about them calling transvestite goats "goy", and I made a joke about it being a scapegoy, instead of scapegoat...Not one mention about the Jews.

I am sure he was referring to this

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=172704

where you clearly link goy to goyim. Not him, you!

But, I'll admit, I can't stand the Jewish religion. So if that makes me Hitler, so be it.

No, not Hitler, just a racist and a living endorsement of Godwin's law.

But you are entitled to your opinion as much as i, but can only claim it as fact with proof. You have presented none and ignored any counter argument. I welcome hearing anything you have held back on thus far.

It's kinda like calling the Mormons a race. :rolleyes:

Would it please your semantic nature if i simply referred to you as anti-semitic then? It all leads to ignorance in the end so i am happy to do so if you prefer.

[stompk]

I am sure he was referring to this

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=172704

where you clearly link goy to goyim. Not him, you!


You speak for marpat now? PS. Different thread dude.



Would it please your semantic nature if i simply referred to you as anti-semitic then? It all leads to ignorance in the end so i am happy to do so if you prefer.

No, carrier of the Spirit of Truth will suffice.


The scapegoat was a goat that was designated (Hebrew לַעֲזָאזֵֽל ) la-aza'zeyl; either "for absolute removal" (Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon) or possibly "for Azazel" (some modern versions taking the term as a name) and outcast in the desert as part of the ceremonies of the Day of Atonement, that began during the Exodus with the original Tabernacle and continued through the times of the temples in Jerusalem.

Scapegoating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus, became a scapegoat for the Jews. They laid all their sins upon him, then they "sacrificed" him, to their god, which is money.


According to the Sages, Yom Kippur is the only day when Satan is completely powerless. In one Midrash, the scapegoat ritual is explained as a bribe meant to co-opt Samael/Satan, who comes every Yom Kippur to accuse Israel before before the Throne of Glory. The gift of the goat forces the Adversary to speak positively of the Jewish people instead.



The Midrash, Me'am Leoz, gives an elaborate explanation that the Yom Kippur scapegoat offering is a bribe given to the accusing angel Satan/Samael, in order that the angel will withhold his criticism before God" here

"It was once popular to serve goat's head at the Rosh ha-hanah festive meal as a good charm of future prosperity. The practice is still observed by some Sephardic families in Israel and the Middle East

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/01/jews-sacrifice-goats-to-satan-eat-goats.html?zx=cd27a094b9bf8cfd

[munkdo]

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i can't imagine what that will do to my recommendations.

once i clicked a hitler book and got neo nazi recommendations for a week!

[skaff]

You are still referring to a group as a single entity and judging all by the action or inaction of some. That is what i believe is referred to as 'prejudice'.

Of course if you can show me where you can apportion blame to an entire race/religion/group then i am happy to listen. Until then i find your words unfounded and biased.

[stompk]

You are still referring to a group as a single entity and judging all by the action or inaction of some. That is what i believe is referred to as 'prejudice'.

Of course if you can show me where you can apportion blame to an entire race/religion/group then i am happy to listen. Until then i find your words unfounded and biased.

A jew, is only a jew, if they accept the religion. Otherwise they are not considered jewish....

Am I wrong about this?

[skaff]

A jew, is only a jew, if they accept the religion. Otherwise they are not considered jewish....

Am I wrong about this?

Not at all. You are clearly leading to something so there is no need to string it along. PLease tell me the relevance

[stompk]

Not at all. You are clearly leading to something so there is no need to string it along. PLease tell me the relevance

If a Jew lived in Germany, would they consider themselves Jewish, or German?

[skaff]

If a Jew lived in Germany, would they consider themselves Jewish, or German?

Both.

We can play 20 questions if you like but if you put your entire point down it really would be easier.

[stompk]

Both.

We can play 20 questions if you like but if you put your entire point down it really would be easier.

You've made my point. Thanks.

[skaff]

You've made my point. Thanks.

Good, i am glad you are happy!

[stompk]

Anthony Weiner, Jason Chaffetz have unusual friendship
Published: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:29 a.m. MDT

By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News

When Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., confessed a week ago to bad judgment and was linked Tuesday to a porn star , the ripples reached all the way to Utah.

That's because Weiner and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, are fast friends. In February, the New York Times reported, "... the bonds of friendship between Rep. Anthony Weiner, a New York Democrat, and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, his Republican colleague, cannot be torn asunder."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700143839/Anthony-Weiner-Jason-Chaffetz-have-unusual-friendship.html

Of course, Chaffetz is a Mormon.


Chaffetz and Weiner trotted out two goats for a press conference last year about goat subsidies. During the photo-op, one of the goats speared Weiner and drew blood.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700143839/Anthony-Weiner-Jason-Chaffetz-have-unusual-friendship.html

[hypnoticspectre]

question... did the Sun-Gods create Earth as a sort of hyper-dimensional channel for entertainment purposes?

[stompk]

question... did the Sun-Gods create Earth as a sort of hyper-dimensional channel for entertainment purposes?

We have a purpose.

[hypnoticspectre]

and to what do we owe ourselves a purpose for anything in the first place.

the idea of the universe having a kling-on type formula, with geometric shapes, pyramids and burnt laser rock being our best example of hightened reality..

Im bored already, masons go get ur Holy Grail & f..off back to Jupiter..

[hypnoticspectre]

actually being Jewish is not the bad part, like all religion there is truths and goodness in many ways, its the practicing of bad habits that made things bad and over-controlling. Hitler i like, but he went mad and turned into a corrupt man ..

[twilighterheart]

i clicked that link and now i have a fucking blow up goat sex doll on my viewing history!

i can't imagine what that will do to my recommendations.

once i clicked a hitler book and got neo nazi recommendations for a week!
Well, you should be more careful what you click on to.:cool:

[munkdo]

yeah, shouldn't I?

especially on these forums, right?

so many creeps..

[marpat]

They invented God? And it was the French who learned how to split the atom. If the Jews want to take credit for creating a weapon to destroy, from what could have been a useful tool, so be it.

And Genetic Engineering? Good grief, absolutely nothing good has come from that...

But why doesn't this surprise me, that you view these things as good, since you seem to love Alistair Crowley, super pig himself.

What a schmuck.

Well it would seem you are more of a bigot than I had first thought.

[marpat]

The Jews are a religion, not a race...That's why people can become a Jew, without being born in Israel.

I don't need to denegrate the Jewish race, they have done it to themselves.

Why do I not find it surprising that people are defending the Jews in a thread about the Masons?

Oh yeah, the Jews invented the Masons too. :cool:

lol, not the old 'masons defend jews' rubbish. Many masons belong to other religions and will defend them so this proves you are an ignorant bigot

[marpat]

Umm, marpat? I was playing on an article I found about them calling transvestite goats "goy", and I made a joke about it being a scapegoy, instead of scapegoat...Not one mention about the Jews.

But, I'll admit, I can't stand the Jewish religion. So if that makes me
Hitler, so be it.





So you dont like their religion, its doesnt mean you have to hate them for it though does it? thats like hating people just for being different to yourself or having other beliefs. In here people can be hated for not believing the moon is a spaceship.

You are the result of conspiracy programming

[craigrant]

the mind of the old world is where Devil with horn or Satan comes from, the only part of a goat to fear is it's horns so the old mentality created the horns to represent negative energy, in the new world machines represent the same energy as Satan... news = whats new from Satan

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[offramp]

Now, I was banned from ATS (Above Top Secret) for
posting this info, so the Masons definitely don't want
it out there. I'm going to plaster it all over the internet though

More goodies to come.
There are some people who do not realise that http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ as well as many other conspiracy sites - including for example http://www.richplanet.net/ , are run entirely and exclusively by Freemasons, spreading disinformation. In fact most sites, such as the two stompk mentioned, try to make their sites seem anti-masonic so as to spread disillusion among the anti-masons LOROL!!

[lizzyking]

Praise the Lard!


Lard - Mangoat - YouTubehttp://youtu.be/6luwM8EWQG4



http://lyrics.wikia.com/Lard:Mangoat

[stompk]

Gotta love this little message.


Phoenix, AZ -- Is there no end to the bizarre items for sale online? CBS 5 News in Phoenix has discovered one of the strangest and most mysterious postings seen in quite some time:
A full human skeleton. But wait, there's more.

According to Brian Evans, who posted the ad, the skeleton could be more than 100 years old. But wait, there's still more.

Evans told CBS 5 News that the skeleton once belonged to his uncle who was a Freemason.

Evans said he posted the ad on Craig's List several weeks ago and has had a few offers- one for $100; another person offered to trade the skeleton for a fainting goat.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/192565/176/Craigslist-Skeleton-For-Sale

Friggin creeps.

[pepsi78]

Gotta love this little message.


http://www.digtriad.com/news/watercooler/article/192565/176/Craigslist-Skeleton-For-Sale

Friggin creeps.

I must congratulate you on a very good thread, you are mostly right.
Here is how the facts stand with the goat regarding the meaning in masonry.

The goat is viewed as a physical, material aspect, it is a trait of materialism, as in sexual manifestation, desires of the material, mostly anything material, and materialist like for example money is a material aspect.

We all know the stories with pan the goat, the goat is rooted into masonry and it is a representation of Saturn, the planet and the symbol masons will associate with.



It is true that Masons are based of materialism, these are material fanatics, just like Satanism bases it's principles on materialism. The empire the NWO for example represents the material traits. It is in fact the way we live now and how we indulge without any remorse at all into the material, we no longer care as long as our material needs are taken care of. All of us are implicated into materialism, we all want more, and when we have more then we want even more. This is the system they have created, and it is how people are manipulated thru this system.




Masonry should be outlawed in a normal society, but since we no longer live into that because they control the very society we live in. It is the dream of these obsessed fanatics(I call them violent fags) to build an utopian world, it all started around 1700 with secret societies to over throw the church system, not that the church was a perfect one, it was not, it was persecuting and very harsh, so they replaced it with another extreme.
It is the utopian world they have dreamed about.


In this utopian world we are faced with an even worst system that predispose our children to perversion, where people indulge into the material without any remorse at all, where human beings become Beasts that crave after desire, where there is no control at all.


I hope people break free and see for who they really are.

[edelweiss pirate]

We all know the stories with pan the goat, the goat is rooted into masonry and it is a representation of Saturn, the planet and the symbol masons will associate with.



Did you know the word Panic and Pandemonium are words connected to the worship of Pan..... The rites of Pan would lead to PANdemonium and creating PANic in the initiate was part of the process of Illumination.

I discovered this when analysing the film Shutter Island, I noticed the Doctor's statue of Pan in his rooms and wondered what it symbolised. It represents the willful disordering of the initiates thought processes to render them suggestible and a pliant slave.....

[pepsi78]

Did you know the word Panic and Pandemonium are words connected to the worship of Pan..... The rites of Pan would lead to PANdemonium and creating PANic in the initiate was part of the process of Illumination.

I discovered this when analysing the film Shutter Island, I noticed the Doctor's statue of Pan in his rooms and wondered what it symbolised. It represents the willful disordering of the inititiates thought processes to render them suggestible and a pliant slave.....

Very interesting findings from you sir and yes you are right about creating a slave, it's why the doors of masonry have opened, to join up and become a slave, now anyone can join, people don't notice it but when you take an oath you bound your self to them. As you go up and want to know more in masonry you get consumed and then act like a zombie, it's like you empty out or something. Then you find that anything the fraternity asks for or tells you to do, you obey like a slave since your normal view has turned into a reciving zombie from the people that are higher than you. Anything else is not compatible with you. It's how it is, you do become a brainwashed slave.

[stompk]

I must congratulate you on a very good thread, you are mostly right.
Here is how the facts stand with the goat regarding the meaning in masonry.

The goat is viewed as a physical, material aspect, it is a trait of materialism, as in sexual manifestation, desires of the material, mostly anything material, and materialist like for example money is a material aspect.

We all know the stories with pan the goat, the goat is rooted into masonry and it is a representation of Saturn, the planet and the symbol masons will associate with.


Well said. Thanks for your participation.


Albert G. Mackey, in his Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (1873) cites the Rev. Dr. George Oliver in recording a common belief of the early nineteenth century that freemasons practiced some form of witchcraft:

"Doctor Oliver says, it was in England a common belief that the Freemasons were accustomed in their Lodges "to raise the Devil." So the riding of the goat, which was believed to be practised by the witches, was transferred to the Freemasons; and the saying remains to this day, although the belief has long since died out."4

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/goat.html

[lightgiver]

Very interesting findings from you sir and yes you are right about creating a slave, it's why the doors of masonry have opened, to join up and become a slave, now anyone can join, people don't notice it but when you take an oath you bound your self to them. As you go up and want to know more in masonry you get consumed and then act like a zombie, it's like you empty out or something. Then you find that anything the fraternity asks for or tells you to do, you obey like a slave since your normal view has turned into a reciving zombie from the people that are higher than you. Anything else is not compatible with you. It's how it is, you do become a brainwashed slave.

You dont have to bee a mason to bee a slave,look at the millions trudging the streets...

Black friday stampede - YouTube
http://youtu.be/zVAnsQxxxGE

Are they all masons...

"Riot" as Alum Rock supermarket offers bargain prices...consume consume consume...

Human Stampede Accidents at World Expo Shanghai 2010-5-30 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/g_TgfQ06fFw

Human Stampede Accidents at World Expo Shanghai 2010-5-30

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2011/01/08/riot-as-alum-rock-supermarket-offers-bargain-prices-97319-27950788/2/

The Eternal Battle between the Mob and the Noble...

The core of the story revolves around the idea of living with honour and the belief in value. Value here, as in all places, has to do with purpose and meaning, not material valuations or concern for what the mob rates highly or poorly. Though mob tastes tend to dominate when they are asserted, they are empty victories because they mean nothing and contribute nothing, never doing more than blocking meaning from being expressed, shared, and known.

As the emperor discovered, the mob is fickle and its base tastes revolve around not honour but on who can best entertain it. Though the mob has great size, its lack of ideology and honour also means that it lacks value and the ability to achieve anything substantial...

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5025/stadiumlx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/stadiumlx.jpg/)

Are you not entertained?
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6253/800pxjeanleongeromepoll.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/800pxjeanleongeromepoll.jpg/)

Life without honour and value, as symbolized by the mob and their approach, is meaningless...mobile vulgus

Ochlocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bread and circuses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[stompk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VYI-cp6kMCo

Americans at the end of the nineteenth century believed that candidates for membership in fraternal organizations were blindfolded and forced to ride goats as part of their initiation. While this idea was originally promulgated before the Civil War by evangelistic critics of secret societies, by the 1880s fraternalists enthusiastically embraced the humorous idea of the "lodge goat." During what has been termed the "Golden Age of Fraternity," members of the Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, Woodmen of the World, and hundreds of other less well-known groups regularly alluded to goats within lodge rooms in anecdotes, poems, cartoons, souvenirs, and keepsakes as a means to emphasize the institutional power of their organizations as well as to celebrate the behavioral latitude provided to them by their custom of secrecy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/12/the-strange-case-of-the-mechanical-goat-in-the-fraternal-lodge/249365/

Main Stream Media finally picked up on this one! :D

[stompk]

Some new ones!

http://i44.tinypic.com/350vvnp.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/ic5mo9.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/11avamx.jpg

Image source: http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/Moore_Riding_the_Goat.pdf

[lightgiver]

The steppes' people were skilled riders who could grab a goat or calf from the ground while riding a horse at full gallop.

Goat Riding - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Wg314pQYVXo

The film was commissioned in 1942 by the Propaganda Abteilung, a delegation of Nazi Germany's propaganda ministry within occupied France by the ex-Mason Mamy. It virulently denounces Freemasonry, parliamentarianism and Jews as part of Vichy's drive against them and seeks to prove a Jewish-Masonic plot. On France's liberation its writer Jean Marquès-Rivière, its producer Robert Muzard and its direction Jean Mamy were purged for collaboration with the enemy. On 25 November 1945, Muzard was condemned to 3 years in prison and Marquès-Rivière was condemned in his absence (he had gone into self-imposed exile) to death and degradation. Mamy had also been a journalist on L'Appel under Pierre Constantini (leader of the Ligue française d’épuration, d’entraide sociale et de collaboration européenne) and on the collaborationist journal Au pilori, and was thus condemned to death and executed at the fortress of Montrouge on 29 March 1949.


...If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it...Joseph Goebbels


Buzkashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forces_occultes

[petras]

Have you heard about the Masonic Goat Riding Ritual?




Everybody should experience this at least once in a lifetime!


I helped to raise a little sheep lately which was so weak, its mother refused to feed it. Next spring I will try to ride it and afterwards I will ride the goat.

Masons believe they are high muckamucks, but in fact they are cockalorums.

[lightgiver]

Goat Surfing - YouTube
http://youtu.be/0jbM4IfrRHM

[10thlight]

lol... goat /azazel riding.
Truth is stranger than fiction.Or maybe not!!!lol.... rofl
Got to love the rituals.hahahaha.
Hey u got to become one with the goat/azazel you know if you want to become a 33 mason.lol
Uncle same need you to fight his wars for blood..for these beings too

Its a magicians world...
AWESOME POST...

[lightgiver]

l
Hey u got to become one with the goat/azazel you know if you want to

Its a magicians world...


So how do you become one with the goat...


Got to love the rituals.hahahaha.

Its a magicians world...
AWESOME POST...

So explain the rituals then

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3494/feralgoat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/feralgoat.jpg/)

[10thlight]

lightgiver
lol....Who cares......rofl
Hey if you want your vibrational upgrade you need more entities/beings in you know.
Ever felt that you were on the square?

Dude who cares....too funny of post...
To care... lol

[10thlight]

goat,g.o.a.t.u/azazael
It didn't help that some early ritual books from the fraternity referred to God as "God of All Things" and abbreviated it as G.O.A.T. That was quickly changed, and God is now referred to by Masons by the acronym G.A.O.T.U., for Grand Architect of the Universe.

g.o.a.t.u Grand Architect of the Universe is azazel
So it doesnt matter what u call it goat or g.o.a.t.u there both true.


Because knwolwedge of the tree of good and evil(which is yin and yang)this dimension was created by azazel?
Hence why mt hermon/azazel made them all fall and is the 33 parallel/33 degree mason.

And also is why we are truly spending trillion of dollars in the middle east for these wars.

[10thlight]

posted by in 2009 grandsecretary

Liber Capricornus - The Symbolism of the Goat
by Eugene W. Plawiuk, Master Mason, September 3 1991

Our first experience upon entering the Lodge as apprentices is to be warned about the Goat. Even before we are informed of 'in whom we should put our trust', we are given knowing looks followed by such comments as; " he's going to get the goat" or " you are going to ride the goat" or even "look out for the goat". It is a good thing that we are informed that we place our trust in God, since some poor unfortunate entered apprentice could understandably be forgiven for replying; "In the Goat".

The origin of this humorous initiatory jest about the Goat is shrouded by the veils of time. Several Older brethren I have conferred with seem to have no idea of where or when it originated. It could have originally been imported from America by that practical joker and fellow Mason; Benjamin Franklin. Or it could be a unique recent development of post World War II Masonry.

Certainly I can find no references to the Goat or even "riding the Goat" in Mackey's Masonic Encyclopedia, Duncan's Ritual, Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike or even Free Masonry and its Etiquette by William Preston Campbell-Everden. Even such anti-Masonic writers as Walton Hannah (Darkness Visible and Christian by Degree) make no reference to it, and it would certainly be something he would not be loathe to use to slander the Craft.

Thus with such sparse reference sources available we could easily dismiss our Goat as a simple joke, a hangover from those other fraternities that abound on college and university campuses across this great nation. In fact a bit of school boy prank amongst pals.

Thus dismissed as a bit of tom-foolery I wouldn't have much of a paper to present this evening. Yet can we dismiss our ancient friend who has played such a great role in the myths and legends, of all religions and cultures of Western Europe? The Goat dates back to the very earliest primordial memories of Man. And perhaps even used as a joke within the Lodge it would do us well to look at him as a totem or symbol of the Great Work. In fact if you will bear with me I think I shall be able to prove to you that, using the training we are recommended as Fellow Craft Masons, we can find that the humble Goat too reflects the truth of Masonry "veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols".

The Goat is known to all of us through the ancient science of Astrology first developed by the Chaldeans, or as they are commonly known; Babylonians. The Goat symbolizes male fertility, and is known, to even those who peruse the daily astrology columns of the local newspaper, as representing the astrological sign of Capricorn; Dec. 22 to January 22. Capricorn is a combination of both a Goat and and a fish. According to J.E.. Cirlot in his Dictionary of Symbols; this dual aspect refers to the dual tendencies of life towards the abyss ( or water) " or chaos of the beginning of time, and " the heights or mountains " or order and malkuth (the earth) as symbolized by the goat aspect.

In fact the very same Babylonians who gave us this symbol of Capricorn and the science of Astrology were the first Temple builders, and the goat for them symbolised the essence of the Temple or Lodge. An animal usually found climbing in the mountains. Thus from the first ziggurats to the Temple of Solomon even to later Churches the Goat was seen as symbol of Man striving to reach God through his building of Temples that represented mountains. Since in all religions Gods abode is symbolized by mountains.

What a better symbol to attribute to our own striving to understand the G.A.O.T.U. than a Goat. And here too we find an anagram for Goat.

According to a research monograph on the Dionysian Artificers and Early Masonry edited by Manly P. Hall, the symbolism of the goat relates to the prechristian God Pan, Dionysius. The Goat-God was accepted by the later Greek Mystery Schools as the symbol of the Temple Builders. In fact the Dionysian Artificers was such a mystery school. They viewed practical Temple Construction as a source of understanding the mystery of Nature and God; thus being one of the early esoteric schools from which Masonry has inherited certain symbols and teachings. Most specifically this Greek Mystery School developed the Ionic Column which are introduced to us in the Fellow Craft degree. Once again this column which acted as the corner stone of Greek Architecture literally holds up the temple; the very support for the Mountain or home of God.

The Ionic Column is a later development over the Doric, having developed in the 7th Century B.C., it allowed for more filagree work in its base and at its top. It is seen as being more feminine than the masculine Doric Column.

"The Dionysian Artificers or architects were an association of scientific men, who were incorporated by command of the Kings of Pergamus into a corporate body. They had the city of Teas given to them. The members of this association were intimately connected with the Dionysian mysteries, were distinguished from the uninitiated inhabitants of Teos by their Science and by words and signs by which they could recognize their Brethern of the Order. Like Freemasons they were divided into Lodges which were characterized by different names. Such is the nature of that association of architects, who erected those splendid edifices in Ionia, whose ruins even afford us instructions, while they excite our surprise. If it be possible to prove the identity of any two societies, from the coincidence of their external forms, we are authorized to conclude that the Fraternity of Ionian architects and the Fraternity of Freemasons are exactly the same" says Dr. R. Swineburne Clymer in his book: Ancient Mystic Oriental Masonry.

Besides representing the Temple or Home of the gods, the goat represents the active male sexual or fertility aspect of nature. As Capricorn he rules the returning sun, from the darkness of winter solstice. In the sign of the Goat/Capricorn the sun begins to resume its ascent towards the spring Equinox. As well the goat horn is a hallow phallic symbol, represented even today as the cup of plenty or cornucopia which we see represented in the Lodge.

Says J. E. Cirlot; " In mythology it was the goat Almathea who fed the infant Jupiter an milk. Given that the general symbolism of the horn is strength, and that the goat has maternal implications, and in addition that the shape of the horn (phallic outside and hollow inside) endows it with complex symbolism (including that of the lingam or symbol of generation) it is easy to understand its allegorical use as the horn of abundance. Plobb points out also that the cornucopia is an expression of prosperity deriving from its association with the Zodiacal sign of Capricorn."

The androgenous symbolism of the horn of plenty is typical of the symbolism of the goat in general. While the Greek Goat Gods Pan and Dionysius were male, we look at the goat as an animal in masculine terms while it is both male and female. The identification of the the male goat in by his beard, since both genders have horns. The phrase " by my beard, or " he pulled my beard " as well as the style of beard called a 'goatee' all relate to the goat.

The goat-Gods Pan and Dionysius in Greek mythology represent the forest and unbridled nature; lust in the case of Pan and Drinking, and fertility in the case of Dionysius. Hence from the OED we have the term for a lecherous older man; "you old Goat". Pan is represented as being half human, half goat with horns, and would later be used in medieval times to represent the devil.

Ironically the horns on the head of Michalangelos statue of Moses are also Goat horns, symbolising not the devil but the power of nature and natures God; Fiat Lux. For in the bible it states that Moses was beheld by his people as having two rays of Light springing forth from his head.

"Hark! My Beloved! here he comes, bounding over the mountains, leaping over the hills. My beloved is like a gazelle or a young wild goat."

"My beloved is mine and I am his; he delights in the lilies. While the day is cool and shadows are dispersing, turn my beloved, and show yourself a gazelle or a young wild goat on the hills where cinnamon grows."

" How beautiful you are my dearest, how beautiful! Your eyes behind your veil are like doves, your hair like a flock of goats streaming down Mount Gilead."

The Song of Songs (Which is Solomons).

Herein as well in the Old Testament we find the beautiful love poem which views the goat as symbolizing nature, and fertility as it did in prechristian times. In the Song of Songs both lovers refer to each other as goats. As to be expected since the lovers in this poem are a shepherd and shepherdess herding goats!!! And we have the symbolism of the goats in relationship to sacred mountains or temples. It is enough to mention that this song is known as Solomons who plays such an important role in Freemasonry.

In medieval times clerical knights and military orders made up of priests during the crusades differentiated themselves from regular knights by riding upon goats rather than horses. This tradition can be seen in the Knights Templer who would ride horses but two knights to one horse, thus representing their clerical origins.

Need I relate the most obvious use of the goat known to all Master Masons? The Scapegoat. An animal who leads the others to slaughter now commonly used to reier to the unwitting victim of some malice. It is obvious that the initiate stands in for Hiram Abiff and takes his blows accordingly. In referring to the goat perhaps we are unconsciously warning the entered apprentice of his ultimate end in his soujourn through the Degrees.

As I mentioned earlier the Boat and the Goat-God Pan became equated with the devil in medieval christianity. But to medieval occultists especially Rosicrucians the goat symbolized the elemental energies of the earth, the sign of Saturn and the alchemical element derived therefrom.

The Devil, Tarot Card Number 15 In the Tarat it is the Major Arcana card #15 the Devil, who shows a goat headed deity with a man and women chained to him. The symbolism is that of people who strive for material rather than spiritual gain.

The Goat of Mendes or Baphomet whom the Templars were accused of worshipping is a Goat Headed deity, being formed of both male and female principles, with a Caduceus of Mercury for its phallus. One arm points up and one down , with the latin ' Solve et Coagula' written on them. This is not the christian devil but a symbol of the ancient alchemists representing the fact that nature and natures God is a combination and balance of male and female forces, light and darkness, moisture and dryness. The very principle of Hermes Trismegitus; As Above So Below" is what is symbolized by Baphomet.

Another Goat headed deity worship by the ancient pagan Celtic peoples was Cernnunos the horned god of the Wood. Today in witchcraft covens the goat head is seen to symbolize this ancient deity.

Unfortunately to the those who remain in the dark, these goat deities are seen as something evil rather than as the symbol of the earth, fertility, the prima mater, and the first principle.

Freemasonry in its past like its predecessor the Knights Templar have been accused of being in league with the Devil, being a satanic tool etc. That has arisen from the fact that FreeMasons by their initiation into the Light have been eager to research and study the Mystical symbols of the past and present, without fear or irrational prejudice. In times past of religious persecution and superstition the Mystical Mason has treaded the path of heresy in search of the Light of Truth.

I hope that this paper has afforded us all a broader view of meaning and depth of the symbolism of even something as simple as "our little joke", about the Goat.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:

Weathervane Books 1978
J.E.Cirlot: A Dictionary of Symbols Philosophical Library, NY 1971.
Dr R Swinburne Clymer: Ancient Mystic Oriental Masonry
The Rosicrucians: Their Teachings
The Philosophy of Fire: Philosophocal Pub., PA. 1907 Reprinted by Health research, CA. 1969
Aleister Crowley: 777, Weiser Publishing 1978
Malcolm C. Duncans Ritual of Masonry
Wesley J. Fuerst: Cambridge Bible Commentary:
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Commentary on the Song of Songs: Cambridge University Press 1975
David-Godwin: Cabalistic Encyclopaedia, Llewellyn Publishing 1979
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Walton Hannah: Christian by Degree. Britons Pub. Co. 1964
Eliphas Levi: The History of Magic The Key of the Mysteries
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W.G. SIBLEY: The Story of Freemasonry: The Lions Paw Club 1913, reprinted Health Research CA. 1968
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Very interesting post
Ionic Column/corinth pillars are everywhere now days...
http://www.njcu.edu/programs/jchistory/Images/B_Images/Barrow_Mansion_Ionic_Column_Detail_2002_Large_AS.j pg

http://www.inkity.com/catalog/img/2/10495.jpg
Could they be associated with the goat/azazel and mountains and temples?
as the article suggest?

[lightgiver]

lightgiver
lol....Who cares......rofl
Hey if you want your vibrational upgrade you need more entities/beings in you know.
Ever felt that you were on the square?

Dude who cares....too funny of post...
To care... lol

I was going off your statement that you knew about the rituals...


Got to love the rituals.hahahaha.
.

What do you mean by feeling you are on the square...


And also is why we are truly spending trillion of dollars in the middle east for these wars.


Who pays for that...The goat...

[petras]

So how do you become one with the goat...



So explain the rituals then

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3494/feralgoat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/feralgoat.jpg/)

http://forum.davidicke.com/image.php?u=14664&dateline=1315786783

Compare. Isn't life funny!

[10thlight]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 10thlight View Post
And also is why we are truly spending trillion of dollars in the middle east for these wars.

Who pays for that...The goat...

Well its a pyramid dimensionally too,not just in the physical.
What is money but 1 and 0s now days.
Who gave the knowledge and the power for this monetary currency.
Sooner or later you have to pay the piper (excuse pun)
These beings are coming to lay claim/scute.


That being said you seem that your pretty intelligent. Why would u pay trillion of dollars for these wars.
I Do not truly think that you believe it is for the oil?
And since were on a david icke Illuminati / Secret Societies forum
You should know the (reasons) why.Well alot of them.


About the other questions...
I wouldnt focus your intention on me but on the info.That wave of thought is a lower vibration and ripples out more in that state energy.And is a waste of time.

That being said (I) me should focus my energy on your info and not on you.

[10thlight]

hey lightgiver
You have alot of good post
So if you want to learn about the goat and have time .read The False Prophet Azazel book
Its worth the read!!!!


The False Prophet Azazel book 403 pages
link below
http://www.scribd.com/doc/45898784/The-False-Prophet-Azazel

[atlantabizgal]

Here's a couple more "jokes" the Masons use(d)

http://i34.tinypic.com/dcro0x.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/358w393.jpg

Notice, the number for the Devils costume is D777

Surely a nod to Crowley.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_and_other_Qabalistic_writings_of_Aleister_Crow ley

But the Masons will swear up and down they have nothing to do
with Crowley.

Lying sacks of shite, I say.

http://i34.tinypic.com/nmg3eq.jpgI've seen this photo before and it really creeps me out.

[atlantabizgal]

I'm supposed to believe a Freemason?

Give me a break.

Even if it is a joke, it's a sick joke.

It shows what kind of Baphomet worshipping religion Freemasonry really is.

The sick thing is, these people are police, judges, bankers, politicians, etc.

Quite frankly, I find the people who participate in this religion and protect it,
well, disgusting.

http://www.bitchinentertainment.com/georgia_masons.jpg

These masons really make one quiver in their boots.

[atlantabizgal]

Ahhh but it's not just the threat of physical violence that is the crux of the matter. It's the words that are spoken. They have just as much power as physical force.

.Indeed, there is power in the spoken word, even within the sigil.

[atlantabizgal]

That's really wrong!

The point has never actually been the described physical penalties but the fact that as a man of honour you would rather have those things done to you than break your own word once you've given it to someone.

MikeSo tell me, what do you professed masons think of the book, The Secret Doctrine by Madam Blavatsky? Just curious

[atlantabizgal]

Everybody should experience this at least once in a lifetime!


I helped to raise a little sheep lately which was so weak, its mother refused to feed it. Next spring I will try to ride it and afterwards I will ride the goat.

Masons believe they are high muckamucks, but in fact they are cockalorums.

One of our favorite animals on the farm was Billy, our rather large and ornery goat. He would pull a cart for me, allow me to ride on his back, and follow me around like his best friend. He was however very opposed to my little brother joining in the fun.

One morning, while getting ready for Church services Billy came through the back door which had been left open by one of us kids. I remember my grandmother screaming, "don't let him see himself in the mirror". For those who don't know, if in fact he had seen himself he would butt the mirror and break it.

He became very irate with my grandfather who was attempting to remove him from inside the house and attacked him. My grandfather went for his gun, rifle or shotgun, not sure which, but he fired a shot right in the middle of Billy's head. The bullet didn't penetrate his skull but it did cause him to leave our house. Within days he was gone, my grandfather had sold him, traded him, maybe even killed him, I'll never know.

So I can say firsthand that goat riding is fun.

[stompk]

http://www.bitchinentertainment.com/georgia_masons.jpg

These masons really make one quiver in their boots.

Little children should run from these creeps.

What kind of grown man wears a little
apron over their genitals.

[stompk]

One of our favorite animals on the farm was Billy, our rather large and ornery goat.

Within days he was gone, my grandfather had sold him, traded him, maybe even killed him, I'll never know.


You must have been heartbroken.

[sofa king]

What kind of grown man wears a little
apron over their genitals.



Bricklayers, mechanics, chefs, etc

Are those people pedophiles as well?

[stompk]

Bricklayers, mechanics, chefs, etc

Are those people pedophiles as well?

Why are you sofa king retarded?

[lightgiver]

What kind of grown man wears a little
apron over their genitals.

You maybe...

Would you adam and eve it...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=192474

[stompk]

You maybe...

Would you adam and eve it...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=192474

Your agenda is obvious. Good luck with your pal Satan...

Lightgiver. Even your name extrudes arrogance.

[lightgiver]

Your agenda is obvious. Good luck with your pal Satan...

Lightgiver. Even your name extrudes arrogance.

What agenda...

How does my name extrude arrogance...

Who is satan



http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1001/428185l.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/428185l.jpg/)

How we interpret the bible can be just as important as reading it.

For example.

John 19:25


This is in the style of Chiasmus,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiasmus

Shakespeare was famous for using the Chiasmus style, and many believe Shakespeare played a large part in translating the King James version of the bible.

So, if we use the A B B A style of chiasmus, we could interpret John 19:25 as

At the cross was
1. The mother of Jesus (A)
2. Jesus's mothers' sister (B)
3. Mary, the wife of Clopas (B)
4 Mary Magdalene (A)

Conclusion. At the cross were two women.
Mary Magdalene (Mother of Jesus)
Mary, sister of Mary Magdalene and wife of Clopus.

Mary Magdalene was the Mother of Jesus, not his wife, not a whore, etc.

The Roman/Jewish led Catholic church would have us believe the Mary Magdalene was a whore. A complete mockery of Jesus.

Speaking of agendas...

[stompk]

What agenda...

How does my name extrude arrogance...

Who is satan





Speaking of agendas...

I'm done with you.

[lightgiver]

I'm done with you.


You have still not explained your ramblings...if you are going to accuse people of things, at least back up your claims

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9408/gepontiuspilate.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/gepontiuspilate.jpg/)

[lightgiver]

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4452/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg/)

Do they ride goats as well...

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1921/275pxlilithjohncollierp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/275pxlilithjohncollierp.jpg/)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6337/catpeople1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/catpeople1.jpg/)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=51245&page=22

[10thlight]

lightgiver
Do they ride goats as well...
lol
I think you answered your question.yes
The goat/azazel.

[pepsi78]

I'm done with you.

In my view, he can't notice that the farrows are a direct descendant of the fallen blood line.

[sae629be]

As a female and a Mason I must say that I have never read quite so much nonsense as there is here!

Look - I will say it quite categorically - There is NO Lodge Goat! Nada...Nil....zilch....:p

I believe that the story came about because of an anagram of T.G.A.O.U. - arrange the letters and drop the "U." and you get....yes...G.O.A.T.!

No more and no less than that. No we do not raise the Devil - in any case "the Devil" is a purely Christian concept and - as it happens - I am Jewish.

What a shame it is that some of you cannot come of your own free will and accord and experience the light and joy that I and many others find within our Freemasonry!

I suspect - sadly - I am banging my head against a brick wall but nevertheless I felt it had to be said.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4452/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg/)

Do they ride goats as well...

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1921/275pxlilithjohncollierp.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/275pxlilithjohncollierp.jpg/)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6337/catpeople1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/catpeople1.jpg/)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=51245&page=22

[stompk]

As a female and a Mason I must say that I have never read quite so much nonsense as there is here!


Umm, all of these pictures come from Masonic websites....

You're a Jewish Freemason? Go figure.

I'll take your disinfo with a grain of salt.

[sae629be]

Umm, all of these pictures come from Masonic websites....

You're a Jewish Freemason? Go figure.

I'll take your disinfo with a grain of salt.

NO problem - Would you like some Ketchup to go with your salt? :D

[stompk]

NO problem - Would you like some Ketchup to go with your salt? :D

No, but thanks for the bump. :D

[edelweiss pirate]

Those old birds don't look like they're having much fun do they?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4452/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg/)

Join ussssss!!!! We want you to be sour faced and miserable tooooo!


Hardly a great advert for masonry...... Looks to me like a bunch of women who wish they'd never joined in the first place..

[10thlight]

As a female and a Mason I must say that I have never read quite so much nonsense as there is here!

Look - I will say it quite categorically - There is NO Lodge Goat! Nada...Nil....zilch....

I believe that the story came about because of an anagram of T.G.A.O.U. - arrange the letters and drop the "U." and you get....yes...G.O.A.T.!

No more and no less than that. No we do not raise the Devil - in any case "the Devil" is a purely Christian concept and - as it happens - I am Jewish.

What a shame it is that some of you cannot come of your own free will and accord and experience the light and joy that I and many others find within our Freemasonry!

I suspect - sadly - I am banging my head against a brick wall but nevertheless I felt it had to be said.

ITS called degrees and your probably are a low degree.
And there are oaths for a reason.
And symbols have multiple meanings you have to get higher in degrees you learn more about the craft and knowledge and the what the symbol realy mean.
But thats just my guess....

[pepsi78]

As a female and a Mason I must say that I have never read quite so much nonsense as there is here!

Look - I will say it quite categorically - There is NO Lodge Goat! Nada...Nil....zilch....:p

I believe that the story came about because of an anagram of T.G.A.O.U. - arrange the letters and drop the "U." and you get....yes...G.O.A.T.!

No more and no less than that. No we do not raise the Devil - in any case "the Devil" is a purely Christian concept and - as it happens - I am Jewish.

What a shame it is that some of you cannot come of your own free will and accord and experience the light and joy that I and many others find within our Freemasonry!

I suspect - sadly - I am banging my head against a brick wall but nevertheless I felt it had to be said.

As a female mason you must know that you are part of a clandestine lodge, not an official masonic lodge, part of the official masonic body. So your saying has 0% credibility since you are in fact officialy not a mason, and neither is your female lodge. What happens there might not be what happens in these real masonic lodges. Females and these clandestine lodges are just not recognised as official by the masonic brotherhood.

So whatever go's on in your lodge does not mean it's the same in this big masonic organisations like the Scotish rite.

Second the devil predates christianity, it's in the jewish faith and religion way before it makes it into christianity, it even predates the jewish fate and it is first noticed in the babylonian empire by the name of SATANEL, or sataniel, of course it's older than the babylonian empire, but it leaves a mark as a clearer start from this empire.

Satan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the Chasidic Jews of the 18th century, ha-Satan was Baal Davar.[19] The Book of Enoch contains references to Satariel, thought also to be Sataniel and Satan'el (etymology dating back to Babylonian origins).

[sae629be]

ITS called degrees and your probably are a low degree.
And there are oaths for a reason.
And symbols have multiple meanings you have to get higher in degrees you learn more about the craft and knowledge and the what the symbol realy mean.
But thats just my guess....

I am a Master Mason. I suspect you are probably not a Mason at all - yet (mysteriously) you claim to know what goes on in the higher degrees. Remarkable. :p

[sae629be]

As a female mason you must know that you are part of a clandestine lodge, not an official masonic lodge, part of the official masonic body. So your saying has 0% credibility since you are in fact officialy not a mason, and neither is your female lodge. What happens there might not be what happens in these real masonic lodges. Females and these clandestine lodges are just not recognised as official by the masonic brotherhood.

So whatever go's on in your lodge does not mean it's the same in this big masonic organisations like the Scotish rite.

Second the devil predates christianity, it's in the jewish faith and religion way before it makes it into christianity, it even predates the jewish fate and it is first noticed in the babylonian empire by the name of SATANEL, or sataniel, of course it's older than the babylonian empire, but it leaves a mark as a clearer start from this empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

"Clandestine" or "irregular" are not pejorative terms - except for those who choose to make them so. It merely means that our Lodges are not "in amity" with those under Grand Lodge jurisidictions - in other words that we cannot visit one another. The UGLE has stated since 1998 that two English women's jurisdictions are regular in practice (The Order of Women Freemasons and The Honourable Fraternity of Ancient Freemasons), except for their inclusion of women, and has indicated that, while not formally recognized, these bodies may be regarded as part of Freemasonry, when describing Freemasonry in general.
There are also Co-Masonic Lodges which while not recognised as "regular" by the Grand Lodges nevertheless exchange in positive dialogue.

[celtiana]

As a female mason you must know that you are part of a clandestine lodge, not an official masonic lodge, part of the official masonic body. So your saying has 0% credibility since you are in fact officialy not a mason, and neither is your female lodge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Your posts have even less credibility though seen as your not a mason at all.

[stompk]

I am a Master Mason. I suspect you are probably not a Mason at all - yet (mysteriously) you claim to know what goes on in the higher degrees. Remarkable. :p

It just means you most likely use a male goat, instead of a female goat, although some male masons probably prefer a young male goat, or kid.

[stompk]

Those old birds don't look like they're having much fun do they?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4452/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg/)

Join ussssss!!!! We want you to be sour faced and miserable tooooo!



Classic! We like goatssssss too. :p

[edelweiss pirate]

As a female mason you must know that you are part of a clandestine lodge, not an official masonic lodge, part of the official masonic body. So your saying has 0% credibility since you are in fact officialy not a mason, and neither is your female lodge. What happens there might not be what happens in these real masonic lodges. Females and these clandestine lodges are just not recognised as official by the masonic brotherhood.

So whatever go's on in your lodge does not mean it's the same in this big masonic organisations like the Scotish rite.

Second the devil predates christianity, it's in the jewish faith and religion way before it makes it into christianity, it even predates the jewish fate and it is first noticed in the babylonian empire by the name of SATANEL, or sataniel, of course it's older than the babylonian empire, but it leaves a mark as a clearer start from this empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Good post. Decent research and some good facts. Something these so called 'masons' tend not to bother with. They're good with put-downs though, but that's about it...

[sae629be]

It just means you most likely use a male goat, instead of a female goat, although some male masons probably prefer a young male goat, or kid.

I did once hear someone say that they must go and put a goat on...Though as it was a very cold evening I think I might have mis-heard. :D

[eppyone]

Good post. Decent research and some good facts. Something these so called 'masons' tend not to bother with. They're good with put-downs though, but that's about it...

Pot=kettle. You and stomp both. If stomp were talking about anyone else he would be moderated as a result of his insults.

[lightgiver]

Those old birds don't look like they're having much fun do they?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4452/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/artsgraphicsslid1192816.jpg/)

Join ussssss!!!! We want you to be sour faced and miserable tooooo!

Hardly a great advert for masonry...... Looks to me like a bunch of women

You sound quite Miserable Tooooooo

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7149/p1vanephyllissutton.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/p1vanephyllissutton.jpg/)

You would probably fit right in...maybe it would cheer you up and stop you being so nasty.

Classic! We like goatssssss too. :p

You don't sound like you are much of a man...

[eppyone]

I'm just amazed at all I have learned about Freemasonry from these fine researchers on this site. I thank you so much for dedicating your lives to Freemasonry. I had no idea, no idea at all, many of these things about Freemasonry. After all, I am one, not that that matters.

People go "surfing" on the WWW and try to pass it off as "research". Laughable at best.

[edelweiss pirate]

You sound quite Miserable Tooooooo

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7149/p1vanephyllissutton.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/p1vanephyllissutton.jpg/)

You would probably fit right in...maybe it would cheer you up and stop you being so nasty.



You don't sound like you are much of a man...


I believe you're saying that with a straight face... extraordinary hypocrisy... just stunning!

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm just amazed at all I have learned about Freemasonry from these fine researchers on this site. I thank you so much for dedicating your lives to Freemasonry. I had no idea, no idea at all, many of these things about Freemasonry. After all, I am one, not that that matters.

People go "surfing" on the WWW and try to pass it off as "research". Laughable at best.

The same old bullshit eh Eppyone?

Noone believes you. Not even your brothers here... they're here playing the same warped little fancy-dress pantomime that you are.....

And your time is running out..... our numbers are increasing....breakthrough is near... when that happens you won't even dare to post anonymously on conspiracy forums anymore...

As for Stompk, he wasn't particularly anti-masonry when he first joined this forum... I believe his hatred of masons probably stems from the arrogant attitude of the masons here.

[lightgiver]

I believe you're saying that with a straight face... extraordinary hypocrisy... just stunning!


How so...

[edelweiss pirate]

How so...

Why do you have a woman's open legs for an avatar.....? I thought masons called themselves 'moral'?

You're so full of it LG.... You rattle on about Buddha and spirituality and wisdom.... yet you represent yourself by an open pair of woman's legs....


There's fraud there somewhere. Something which is not what it claims to be. You crawl the web looking for good copy pastes to give you the sheen of erudition.... yet what do you contribute yourself? Nothing except being some kind of poorly bred guard dog for the masons on the secret societies forum.

It's a poor kind of life old boy.

[lightgiver]

Why do you have a woman's open legs for an avatar.....? I thought masons called themselves 'moral'?

You're so full of it LG.... You rattle on about Buddha and spirituality and wisdom.... yet you represent yourself by an open pair of woman's legs....


There's fraud there somewhere. Something which is not what it claims to be. You crawl the web looking for good copy pastes to give you the sheen of erudition.... yet what do you contribute yourself? Nothing except being some kind of poorly bred guard dog for the masons on the secret societies forum.

It's a poor kind of life old boy.

You need to put your dummy back in...you throw around accusations without proof of anything...



to give you the sheen of erudition.... yet what do you contribute yourself?


You must have trawled the web for that one...what exactly have you contributed...apart from misguided attacks on people you do not even know.

Don't you daaaaaaare! - YouTube
http://youtu.be/aSAKKx4clE8

[lightgiver]

You're so full of it LG.... You rattle on about Buddha and spirituality and wisdom.... yet you represent yourself by an open pair of woman's legs....




What has that got to do with masonic goat riding...another fallacy.

eyes wide shut - masked ball - in romanian - YouTube
http://youtu.be/BU5VkvcQzOA

[eppyone]

The same old bullshit eh Eppyone?
The same could be said of you...and has.
Noone believes you. Not even your brothers here... they're here playing the same warped little fancy-dress pantomime that you are.....
Why even state this? Does it make you feel better? "Nobody believes you! Nana nana boo-boo." Yawn...
And your time is running out..... our numbers are increasing....breakthrough is near... when that happens you won't even dare to post anonymously on conspiracy forums anymore...
Wow, I'm scared. Chicken Little. And if you knew half of what you claim to know about Freemasonry, you would know that Freemasonry has lived in the hearts of many great men for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. No pipsqueaks like you are going to effect it in any way. Ever.
As for Stompk, he wasn't particularly anti-masonry when he first joined this forum... I believe his hatred of masons probably stems from the arrogant attitude of the masons here.Again, pot=kettle.

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[eppyone]

Why do you have a woman's open legs for an avatar.....? I thought masons called themselves 'moral'?
Wow, I had never noticed that. Are you sure that is a woman, or are you assuming? Is it the first thing that popped into your head?

Moral indeed.

[baxterdream]

@EP: it surprises me that such a "noble spirited protector of truth and honesty" presume to speak on behalf of people you know nothing of or about.

You claim that even Eppyones masonic brothers believes him. Well I beg to differ, I believe and trust him, his standards, his moral and his ethic standing as his brother until proven wrong.

You however I wouldn´t trust you as far as I could throw you. I would also have liked to throw in a few choice words about what I think you are and what I think your worth is, but I choose not to since I believe you would get on your high moderator horse. (Notice however I write that I think and believe, I don´t claim to have proof or to know you in person)