Masonic Goat Riding

[mike martin]

The Grand Orient of Italy is a Moderns Grand Lodge.

Hmm so exactly does that work? How and why do you believe that the Grand Orient of Italy is somehow subordinate to the UGLE?

Mike

[shadow18433]

[QUOTE=stompk;1058303117]grandsecretary avatar


Masons lie all the time, QUOTE]



hi stompk....

i saw in a thread that freemasons lie all the time, because they have been programed to do so, as freemasonry is a religious cult it's more then probable..!

All, mind controled cult followers, lie to defend or promot their cult. It's only once they succeed to get out that they realised it. That's why it is impossible to trust a freemason...


Most of the masonic secrets and conspiracies have been reveil by EX-freemasons.

[stompk]

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Nigel Brown
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What are the odds, that you look exactly like
the Grand Secretary of UGLE?

Wife, two kids, born and raised in Africa.

Same nose, same hairline, same cleft (I've got one too)
same indentation between eyebrows, same hooknose (sorry)

Look. I'm not trying to catch you in a lie. I know the truth.

I'm trying to warn you. S is going hit the fan. You wanna be
on the right side.

Nuff said.

[deathcultreject]

[QUOTE=stompk;1058303117]grandsecretary avatar


Masons lie all the time, QUOTE]



hi stompk....

i saw in a thread that freemasons lie all the time, because they have been programed to do so, as freemasonry is a religious cult it's more then probable..!

All, mind controled cult followers, lie to defend or promot their cult. It's only once they succeed to get out that they realised it. That's why it is impossible to trust a freemason...


Most of the masonic secrets and conspiracies have been reveil by EX-freemasons.

I don't know if this is true of freemasons, but it's true of magical orders such as the IOT or the Caliphate OTO.

[deathcultreject]

Anglo-Saxon means non-racist citizenship, not a State, without national boundaries, open to all who accept common values and institutions. That is its very essence of being an Anglo-Saxon.


Seeing as some Americans have only just stopped saying 'England' for the whole of Britain;

Anglo Saxon reffers to the older English culture before William the conquerer and the Plantaginates.

They're warmer and more expressive than the Plantaginate influence which is stronger in the central south of England.

Strictly speaking, there was a group of North European people who took over the infra structure when the Romans left, but there weren't many of them, so Anglo Saxon is a cultural term rather than a genetic one.

There were seven Anglo Saxon kingdoms which have probably been romanticied just like King Aurthur and his knights.

Edited to add;

The Angles and the Saxons were originaly different tribes, so the term 'Anglo Saxon' does reflect a spirit of unity and inclusion.

[ytch]

Nigel Brown
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Who´s the dead guy beside him?:D

L&L,

y

[stompk]

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[deathcultreject]

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:D

Will more be forthcoming?

[shadow18433]

Hi Stompk,

Do this site have '' U2U '' chat here..........

[keystone]

Seeing as some Americans have only just stopped saying 'England' for the whole of Britain;and will insist that its Eyeraq and Eyeran and won't call the Arabian Gulf by its proper name, preferring Persian Gulf instead. Its a kind of ignorant arrogance which is a national trait. See Boots new avatar. No offense to the average Joe over the pond BTW.

Cheers

[decim]

As with the American spellcheck in windows etc, trying to modify proper English spelling.

Ebonics for all in the 21st century.

and will insist that its Eyeraq and Eyeran and won't call the Arabian Gulf by its proper name, preferring Persian Gulf instead. Its a kind of ignorant arrogance which is a national trait. See Boots new avatar. No offense to the average Joe over the pond BTW.

Cheers

[deathcultreject]

and will insist that its Eyeraq and Eyeran and won't call the Arabian Gulf by its proper name, preferring Persian Gulf instead. Its a kind of ignorant arrogance which is a national trait. See Boots new avatar. No offense to the average Joe over the pond BTW.

Cheers

It's not that.

It's to do with a nation which has been invaded keeping it's old name and identity as a symbol of freedom, and usualy a symbol of tolerence as well.

Invaders are notoriously less tolerant than locals, so tolerance becomes a part of the invaded nation's national identity.

The Dalai Llama's a Tibbetan Budhist rather than a Chineese Maoist.

That kind of thing.

So the Celts don't call ourselves English, and the Anglo Saxons don't call theirselves Norman.

[keystone]

..............but I go to Lodge meetings with Nigel.Name dropper! :D

Cheers

[stompk]

Name dropper! :D

Cheers

So that means Mike Martin is a member of UGLE, because Nigel Brown is the
Grand Secretary of UGLE.

[grandsecretary]

Seeing as some Americans have only just stopped saying 'England' for the whole of Britain;

Anglo Saxon reffers to the older English culture before William the conquerer and the Plantaginates.

They're warmer and more expressive than the Plantaginate influence which is stronger in the central south of England.

Strictly speaking, there was a group of North European people who took over the infra structure when the Romans left, but there weren't many of them, so Anglo Saxon is a cultural term rather than a genetic one.

There were seven Anglo Saxon kingdoms which have probably been romanticied just like King Aurthur and his knights.

Edited to add;

The Angles and the Saxons were originaly different tribes, so the term 'Anglo Saxon' does reflect a spirit of unity and inclusion.

We are still Anglo-Saxons made up from different tribes. Nothing has changed. I am an Englishman and an Anglo-Saxon.

[grandsecretary]

So that means Mike Martin is a member of UGLE, because Nigel Brown is the
Grand Secretary of UGLE.

Yes. Mike is a member of the United Grand Lodge of England. Nigel is its Grand Secretary.

There is no connection or involvement between the United Grand Lodge of England and the Grand Lodge of All England although there is contact.

Mike, I believe that this is fair to say.

[deathcultreject]

We are still Anglo-Saxons made up from different tribes. Nothing has changed. I am an Englishman and an Anglo-Saxon.

Good for you.

The thing is, Americans have the phrase 'White Anglo Saxon Protestant' which has connotations, so they might misunderstand the phrase 'pure Anglo Saxon.'

Someone who knows their history in more detail, however, will understand the term 'Anglo Saxon' to describe an ancient British culture which has a slightly more 'live and let live' attitude than the bad guys in 'Braveheart'

[keystone]

Good for you.

The thing is, Americans have the phrase 'White Anglo Saxon Protestant' which has connotations, so they might misunderstand the phrase 'pure Anglo Saxon.'

Someone who knows their history in more detail, however, will understand the term 'Anglo Saxon' to describe an ancient British culture which has a slightly more 'live and let live' attitude than the bad guys in 'Braveheart'

I don't qualify for GS's freemasonrie then. I'm 1/8th Irish and 1/8th Scots. Like the vast majority of people, therefore, nationalistically speaking I'm a mongrel. :(

Cheers

[grandsecretary]

Good for you.

The thing is, Americans have the phrase 'White Anglo Saxon Protestant' which has connotations, so they might misunderstand the phrase 'pure Anglo Saxon.'

Someone who knows their history in more detail, however, will understand the term 'Anglo Saxon' to describe an ancient British culture which has a slightly more 'live and let live' attitude than the bad guys in 'Braveheart'

You are right, and I have already suffered from this, but hey - education is a wonderful thing.

Thanks

[grandsecretary]

I don't qualify for GS's freemasonrie then. I'm 1/8th Irish and 1/8th Scots. Like the vast majority of people, therefore, nationalistically speaking I'm a mongrel. :(

Cheers

We all are keystone and that is the point. You are an Anglo-Saxon Mongrel. Good on you.

[zyphus]

We all are keystone and that is the point. You are an Anglo-Saxon Mongrel. Good on you.

Off topic, but you might find this interesting GS..

http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/GeordieOrigins.html

[keystone]

Zyphus

Can I interest you in the return of these two goblins: http://www.officialantanddec.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/wppa/591.jpg

I think we've finished with them down here. :D

Cheers

Edit: Actually That IS an interesting link. Thanks.

[zyphus]

Zyphus

Can I interest you in the return of these two goblins http://www.officialantanddec.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/wppa/591.jpg
I think we've finished with them down here. :D

Cheers


You can bloody well keep them :D

Have a picture of Spuggy for good measure..

http://k53.pbase.com/u43/gchong2426/upload/36002944.Scan10005Small.JPG

[grandsecretary]

Off topic, but you might find this interesting GS..

http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/GeordieOrigins.html

Thanks for this.

[decim]

Yes a great site. Cheers.

My neck of the woods.

If you want a cracking book on the 'Border Reivers' this is excellent.
There is a HB version, it is pretty pricey though if you can find one & rare-ish.

The Steel Bonnets: Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers (Paperback)
by George MacDonald Fraser (Author)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steel-Bonnets-Anglo-Scottish-Border-Reivers/dp/0002727463



Off topic, but you might find this interesting GS..

http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/GeordieOrigins.html

[zyphus]

That looks like a great book Decim, thanks..

Durham has got quite a few tales if this is your neck of the woods..

Apologies to the OP for going way off topic!

[deathcultreject]

You are right, and I have already suffered from this, but hey - education is a wonderful thing.

Thanks

:)

It needs to be said.

If anyone thinks that the term 'Anglo Saxon' is just getting a politicaly correct whitewash, then look into the old Anglo Saxon folk songs.

Anarchists like them, neo nazis don't.

[keystone]

The thing is, Americans have the phrase 'White Anglo Saxon Protestant' which has connotations, so they might misunderstand the phrase 'pure Anglo Saxon.'In much the same way as we, over this side of the pond, misunderstand the phrase African-American I suppose.

Cheers

[deathcultreject]

In much the same way as we, over this side of the pond, misunderstand the phrase African-American I suppose.

Cheers

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Any language involving words like 'is', 'are', 'am', 'be', or 'was' will run into strife because it gives too much power to a label as a fixed category.

Personaly I get a bit uncomfortable when people spend too much time saying what they 'are'. I'm happier with prime language but no one else uses it.

Anyway;

What's the misunderstanding with the phrase 'African-American' ?

[stevepenny]

What's the misunderstanding with the phrase 'African-American' ?

I think the point is that unless an individual has one parent from Africa and one from America then he/she is either one or the other.

How many times do we hear of 3rd or 4th generation Americans call themselves African American; if they are born in America of American parents then they are American.

My own surname - Penny - means the following: English (also present in Ireland): from Middle English peni, peny ‘penny’, applied as a nickname, possibly for a person of some substance or for a tenant who paid a rent of one penny. This was the common Germanic unit of value when money was still an unusual phenomenon. From the Spanish La Penna meaning the top of a hill (in English Pinnacle).

Does this make me a English, Scottish, Irish, German, Spaniard?

No. I was born in England to Scottish Parents and have spent 99% of my life in Scotland; my birth certificate states I am English, but I have always called myself a Scot, not an English Scot, or a Scottish Englander.

[deathcultreject]

I think the point is that unless an individual has one parent from Africa and one from America then he/she is either one or the other.

How many times do we hear of 3rd or 4th generation Americans call themselves African American; if they are born in America of American parents then they are American.

My own surname - Penny - means the following: English (also present in Ireland): from Middle English peni, peny ‘penny’, applied as a nickname, possibly for a person of some substance or for a tenant who paid a rent of one penny. This was the common Germanic unit of value when money was still an unusual phenomenon. From the Spanish La Penna meaning the top of a hill (in English Pinnacle).

Does this make me a English, Scottish, Irish, German, Spaniard?

No. I was born in England to Scottish Parents and have spent 99% of my life in Scotland; my birth certificate states I am English, but I have always called myself a Scot, not an English Scot, or a Scottish Englander.

Here's the important thing, to my mind.

If racists start misrepresenting your culture / history / tradition / national identity etc. in order to say that it's pro racism, then the world would be a nicer place if everyone can say they're talking crap.

As someone from the tribes that Britain was named after, I'm appaled when I hear about neo nazis claiming Boudicca as their hero. Boudicca's revolt was against mass slavery, organised rape, paedophilia, and the dehumanisation of women. Before that, she was a very multi cultural ancient queen.

It would be nice if I could set the matter straight without being called a racist myself.

[stevepenny]

Here's the important thing, to my mind.

If racists start misrepresenting your culture / history / tradition / national identity etc. in order to say that it's pro racism, then the world would be a nicer place if everyone can say they're talking crap.

I agree totally :)

As someone from the tribes that Britain was named after, I'm appaled when I hear about neo nazis claiming Boudicca as their hero. Boudicca's revolt was against mass slavery, organised rape, paedophilia, and the dehumanisation of women. Before that, she was a very multi cultural ancient queen.

I dont know about the multi-cultural bit...she sure hated the Romans ;)



It would be nice if I could set the matter straight without being called a racist myself.

Who called you a racist?

[deathcultreject]

I dont know about the multi-cultural bit...she sure hated the Romans ;)

She was from a tall red haired tribe and married into a short dark skinned tribe, her husband was a 'sponsored' king which meant that they were familiar with various traditions and cultures within the imperium as well as traditions and cultures in the Celtic regions.

Roman propaganda will have played down her erudite nature because she was A, a barbarian, B, a woman.

Generaly, the Roman elite feared the right of the Celtic chiefs to speak in Roman forums, because they came across as so 'civilised' it embaressed the Roman propaganda machine.

When Caesar tried to put Gailic representitives in the senate, he was murdered.


Who called you a racist?

No one recently.

I'm just adressing a problem.

[ytch]

Can we go back on topic please,
I really want to know about masonic goat riding,
if masonic crooks (yeah, YOU!) want to dick- fight (oh gosh, I said it..)
with some of us here, please start your own thread
(name it "Useless Blah-blah-thread", just a suggestion),
so it´s easier for the rest of us to avoid these brain- and useless
discussions.
Sorry, mates, I´ve got a life...

NOTE: b

And once again:

Love & Laughter

to ALL of you,

the ytch you won´t get rid of
and is impossible to reach...

[shadow18433]

Can we go back on topic please,
I really want to know about masonic goat riding,


..


This is one of the most used strategy from freemasons, to derail threads which are reveilling masonic conspiracies and dark sides.

Masons are profestional manipulators....

[deathcultreject]

This is one of the most used strategy from freemasons, to derail threads which are reveilling masonic conspiracies and dark sides.

Masons are profestional manipulators....

1) You can't discredit someone's opinion on goat riding just by saying that the term 'anglo saxon' makes them a bigot.

2) I'm not a freemason.

There's more to exposure than flinging dirt that doesn't stick.

There's obviously more of a 'dark side' to be exposed because there are millions of freemasons, so there's bound to be more scandal somewhere.

So sort it out and stop high fiving each other over crap.

[shadow18433]

Everybody knows that Freemasonry, is a Religious Cult. There is worldwide...millions of Cults followers, even if logic says it's nonsense......Cult followers always lied to protect and defend their cults, some even dishonestly deny they are part of the cult only to manipulate public opinions on their cult. Freemasons are Brainwashed, Cult followers....and therefore, cannot be trusted....

You have been warned....

[stompk]

Did you see the book that Bush was reading to the kids, when 9-11 happened?

"My Pet Goat"

Go figure.

[deathcultreject]

Everybody knows that Freemasonry, is a Religious Cult. There is worldwide...millions of Cults followers, even if logic says it's nonsense......Cult followers always lied to protect and defend their cults, some even dishonestly deny they are part of the cult only to manipulate public opinions on their cult. Freemasons are Brainwashed, Cult followers....and therefore, cannot be trusted....

You have been warned....

I'm a T.I., I've learned to live without trust.

But thank you for your concern.

[deathcultreject]

Did you see the book that Bush was reading to the kids, when 9-11 happened?

"My Pet Goat"

Go figure.

Let's hope no one else reads "My Pet Goat" upside down.

It was bad enough last time.

[stevepenny]

When Caesar tried to put Gailic representitives in the senate, he was murdered.

The conventional view is that Ceasar was murdered by a group of 60 conspirators that included Marcus Junius Brutus, Gaius Cassius Longinus, Decimus Brutus Albinus, and Gaius Trebonius. The reason(s) were largely connected to Ceasar's apparent sympathy with the 'masses' and an egotistical desire to be crowed as 'king', thus circumventing the ideal of the republic.

The decision not to kill Mark Antony backfired on the conspirators as when he delivered the eulogy at Ceasar's funeral he revealed that Ceasar had apparently left his fortune to the citizens of Rome, which resulted in a short lived civilian uprising against the conspiritors. It was later claimed by Octavian (Augustus) that he was the sole aire of Ceasar's fortune in a bid to justify the actions of Brutus.

Sorry for the history lesson:)

[deathcultreject]

The conventional view is that Ceasar was murdered by a group of 60 conspirators that included Marcus Junius Brutus, Gaius Cassius Longinus, Decimus Brutus Albinus, and Gaius Trebonius. The reason(s) were largely connected to Ceasar's apparent sympathy with the 'masses' and an egotistical desire to be crowed as 'king', thus circumventing the ideal of the republic.


Ceasar made allies amongst the Gauls during his campaign in Gaul.

When he tried to expand the senate to include his allies from Gaul, the Roman senators killed him.

It would have been the equivalent of the British empire adapting Parliament to include representatives from all over the 'commonwealth'.

But to get back to the word that's on everyone's lips these days,

GOATS

[stompk]

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[keystone]

I'm not sure what you mean by that.This:

And what about this "African American" nonsense?

Cheers

[keystone]

Everybody knows that Freemasonry, is a Religious Cult. There is worldwide...millions of Cults followers, even if logic says it's nonsense......Cult followers always lied to protect and defend their cults, some even dishonestly deny they are part of the cult only to manipulate public opinions on their cult. Freemasons are Brainwashed, Cult followers....and therefore, cannot be trusted....

You have been warned....Everybody knows squit then. Don't repeat. Prove your assertation that freemasonry is a religious cult and that all freemasons are brainwashed please. Better start a new thread or stompy wil get upset. :D

Cheers

[deathcultreject]

Quote:
Originally Posted by deathcultreject
I'm not sure what you mean by that.

This:


Quote:
Originally Posted by grandsecretary
And what about this "African American" nonsense?

Cheers

Ahh OK. I can't deffend that, and I didn't spot it at the time.

[grandsecretary]

I believe that this is a form of apartheid (separate development) that disgusted many of us in the anti-Apartheid Movement in the 1970's.

[keystone]

I believe that this is a form of apartheid (separate development) that disgusted many of us in the anti-Apartheid Movement in the 1970's.QED.

Cheers

[grandsecretary]

All postings by me on this thread have been suspended. I am sorry but I am precluded for legal reasons.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
Grand Lodge of All England
9th October 2009

[sweetnhigh]

LOL pack of idiots

[stompk]

How about 144,000 of us?

[grandsecretary]

Gross. ;)

[keystone]

Gross. ;)well - only ish! You feeling impish today?

[grandsecretary]

I am feeling good today. How about you? :)

[keystone]

I am feeling good today. How about you? :)Taking little pleasure in what has occured but my humour is slightly improving. Thats a very interesting suggestion you have just made on the Did you know HE was a Freemason thread. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[grandsecretary]

It's not a suggestion, it's a fact. Certain phrases have been used which prove beyond ANY doubt that confidential UGLE letters and documents have been used by David on his forum and now on this one.

He, malison, whatever, has just admitted in the rant room that he does not post anything here that the UGLE "... is not aware of.". You are being used keystone. :(

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/dog-fleas.jpg

Dogs and fleas, dogs and fleas.

[humito]

back on topic.......http://www.standrew518.co.uk/Old%20Store/images/McKim/Online/goat2ride.jpg lol:) what a silly explanation...........an ALMOST anagram of an ACRONYM ! not even a proper word.........what rubbish lol

[keystone]

back on topic.......http://www.standrew518.co.uk/Old%20Store/images/McKim/Online/goat2ride.jpg lol:)After you. Yee hah!

[humito]

Don't cover me up - don't take my light
I can tell who you are by day or by night
I can tell by your walk
I can tell by your talk
I can tell by how you stand
Or by the shake of your hand
If you are lost - I know where you can be found
All I have to do is take a look around
I know who you are if you tell me your age
Then I know what conversation we can engage
I can tell if there is a spider on your coat
That you are the man who had to ride the goat
If you can't read or write but you can spell
Then I know you very well
But there is something I want you to know
I am - the son of a widow
If you know from whence I hail
Then you are a man who is truly veiled
;)

[grandsecretary]

I can tell who you are by day or by night ...

A member of the Invisible College of the Roscrucian Brotherhood. :(

[humito]

we have to take a step back to look at this topic.........

The blindfolded Royal Arch Purple candidate is led over to within four or five feet of the front of a purpose-built ladder, symbolising 'Jacob's ladder'. The candidate then steps 'two and a half' paces forward towards the ladder, in an observance called 'the advancement'. The Royal Arch Purple draft explains, "This 'advancement' by steps is not unique to the Arch Purple but is shared by the Masonic Order." This 'two and a half' paces represent the secret mystical number of the Order. This mystical number permeates through all aspects of Arch Purple secrecy.

The Protestant Truth Society booklet of 1925 reveals the significance of the two and a half, stating, "They [The Royal Arch Purple] claim to be representative of the two and a half Tribes that led the vanguard of Israel to the Promised Land, and the numerals two and a half are to some extent the badge of their Organisation." This 'two and a half' is the mystical number of the Order, as the Arch Purple lecture explains:

Q."Have you a number?
A. Practical, or mystical.
Q. Mystical?
A. Two, and a half.
Q. What two and a half?
A. The two tribes and a half.
Q. What two tribes and a half?
A. The tribe of Reuben, the tribe of Gad, and the half tribe of Manasseh.
Q. What became of the two tribes and a half?
A. They were restored to their former inheritance on the other side of Jordan in the land of Gilead."


Like all secret societies and occult bodies the Royal Arch Purple entrusts its initiates with secret passwords, handshakes, knocks and signs, as keys to open doors into its secret world of mystery. The Royal Arch Purple Order itself owns three permanent passwords.

1. The entrance password for the Arch Purple is: "Shib-Bo-Leth."

2. The central password for the Arch Purple is: "The-Ark-of- God."

The ignorant candidate is later informed that this mystical password really represents G-O-A-T spelt backwards.

3. The great and grand password for the Arch Purple is: "The-great-Jehovah-be our-guide."

A changeable password known as an 'annual password' is made every year and is taken from Scripture in the most superstitious manner. Like all secrets within the Order, this password is given mystically. This is performed by furnishing the membership orally with four numbers. E.g. 2-25-2-12. This would tell the members that the 'annual password' is to be found in the second book of the Bible, Exodus, in the twenty-fifth chapter, in the second verse and is the twelfth word. The password for the year would then be 'offering'. That word, along with the permanent passwords of the Order would then be the members pass into any working Royal Arch Purple Chapter meeting.

Masonic historian C.S.M. Ward explains the significance of passwords, in his Masonic book, '1st Degree Handbook' (p. 37): "Why passwords at all? Here we wander into a strange field, no less than that of old world magic…such passwords are universal in the great mystery rites, ancient and modern" ('Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star' p. 296).

The 'two and a half' is also incorporated into the Order's secret handshake, which identifies one Arch Purple man to another. This is performed by both persons placing pressure with their respective thumbs upon the others middle knuckle thus meeting two and a half finger lengths up the hand, and verifying their Arch Purple membership. This handshake is used when meeting fellow members in both private Chapter meeting and everyday encounters.

The 'two and a half' is used as a mystical knock, to gain admittance to all Royal Arch Purple meetings. In Freemasonry the member wishing entry into the lodge makes three loud knocks, but to achieve the 'two and a half' the Arch Purple make two slow knocks followed by a sharp, quick knock.

The two and a half is used again as the sign of the Arch Purple by coupling the fore finger and middle finger together pointing upward and coupling the small finger and ring finger together downwards and bringing the thumb across in between them. This sign in reality is the same sign as made by the Pope (in the Greek form) when making a statement that he is 'God's representative on earth'.


JACOB'S LADDER
The blindfolded candidate stands nervously in front of the set of steps, known as 'Jacob's ladder'. The initiate is then assisted in climbing up this three stepped ladder (one step at a time), with the help of his guide, whilst the Chaplain reads I Corinthians 13:13. Each rung of the ladder being labelled as he progresses upward, "And now abideth (1) Faith (2) Hope (3) Charity, these three; but the greatest of these is Charity." Unknown to the candidate, at this stage, this climb symbolises one of the great mystical doctrines of all occult bodies.

The Royal Arch Purple, once again, takes this custom directly from Freemasonry where the first-degree Mason is taught: "The way by which we, as Masons, hope to arrive there [heaven] is by the assistance of a ladder, in Scripture called Jacob's ladder. It is composed of many staves or rounds, which point out as many moral virtues, but three principle ones, which are Faith, Hope and Charity: Faith in the Great Architect of the Universe, Hope in salvation, and to be in Charity with all men."

Whilst secret societies surround this peculiar ascent with quasi-biblical language, it is employed, solely, as a means to a deceptive end. This is seen as one carefully examines the teaching of these bodies. The Masonic reference book, 'The Craft and its Symbols' (p. 29) boldly states, "Freemasons are taught to use the ladder of Jacob to climb towards their reward." Here we see one of the core doctrines of all secret societies revealed, that of 'progressive salvation through ritual initiation'.

Masonic adept W.L. Wilmshurst, in his book 'The Meaning of Masonry' (which is addressed to Masons), expounds the spiritual significance of 'Jacob's Ladder', stating: "Man who has sprung from the earth and developed through the lower kingdoms of nature to his present rational state, has yet to complete his evolution by becoming a god-like being and unifying his consciousness with the Omniscient- to promote which is and has always been the sole aim and purpose of Initiation. To scale this 'height', to attain this expansion of consciousness, is achieved 'by the use of a ladder of many rounds or staves, but of three principle ones, Faith, Hope, and Charity', of which the greatest and most effectual is the last" (p. 94).

Although labelled Faith, Hope and Charity the steps of this ladder represent the candidate's mystical journey to 'spiritual bliss'. We can see therefore, as the Arch Purple candidate ascends this mysterious ladder, he is taking a blasphemous, symbolic, spiritual journey.

Such a practice is nothing new, but is traced back to the ancient mysteries in which there always existed a peculiar belief in a ladder extending from earth to heaven. Thirty-third degree Freemason Albert Mackey explains: "In all the mysteries of the ancients, we find some allusion to this sacred ladder…Its true origin was lost among the worshippers of the Pagan rites, but the symbol itself, in various modified forms, was retained." Mackey then states that in the mysteries each step was "the representative of a world, or state of existence, through which the soul was supposed to pass in its progress from the first world to the last, or the world of truth" (A Lexicon of Freemasonry, pp. 152-153).

The Royal Arch Purple also attempt to justify this pagan symbol of 'man's progressive salvation', by using the scriptural story where Jacob dreamt of a ladder extending to heaven, as if to justify its use. Then in typically Masonic manner the Arch Purple attempts to Christianise the practice by labelling the steps Faith, Hope and Charity. Scripture makes no reference to Jacob's ladder having three steps and consequently makes no mention of the steps been branded "Faith, Hope and Charity."



In the draft to their book, 'History of the Royal Arch Purple Order', the Royal Arch Purple Chapter unashamedly describe the mystical significance and the pagan origins of this practice, although, they conveniently chose to withhold such a passage from their published book. The draft outlines how many organisations use the ladder as "symbolic of moral, intellectual and spiritual progress," and explains how, "The belief in the existence of a ladder leading from earth to heaven was at one time widespread throughout the world. The ancient mythology and religions of the Persians, Scandinavians and Brahmins, used this symbol…In the Mithraic mysteries the seven-runged ladder was a symbol of the ascent of the soul to perfection, each rung being termed as a gate." No wonder this frank explanation was carefully omitted from the final publication of the Royal Arch Purple Chapter book.

The Masonic 'Californian Cipher' (coded ritual) sheds further light on the significance of this practice, by explaining that each step is "emblematic of the three principal stages of human life: Youth, Manhood, and Age." This peculiar Masonic explanation confirms, further, the mystical nature of the ladder.

Significantly, the Royal Arch Purple candidate is also given the same bizarre explanation, albeit it is only given to him in the closing address, long after he has scaled the ladder. He is told: "You can wear an emblem of the three-stepped ladder representing Faith, Hope, and Charity. By faith we are saved, by hope we are raised, and by charity brought nearer to God. It is also emblematical of the three principal stages in life - Youth, Manhood, and Age."

The Royal Arch Purple here, like Freemasonry, admits that this ladder is a mystical dualistic symbol, with both physical and spiritual meanings. In keeping with all secret societies they ultimately present the confused candidate with a counterfeit path of salvation. Rather than revealing Christ they hide Him.

COFFIN
At the top of this ladder, the blindfolded Arch Purple candidate is made to kneel upon a representation of a coffin. The Royal Arch Purple lecturers then outline the importance and profound significance of this solemn act to him: "With my knees upon a representation of a coffin, my toes extended over the earth, to testify that I was duly prepared to suffer death and all its penalties, before I would divulge anything I had received, or was about to receive."

Here the candidate agrees, by symbolically kneeling upon a representation of a coffin, to suffer the destruction of his own life before he would divulge the bogus teaching of this man-made counterfeit order.

The origins and significance of this act are explained in the Masonic dictionary: "In all the ancient mysteries, before an aspirant could claim to participate in the higher secrets of the institution, he was placed within the pastos, or coffin, or in other words was subjected to a solitary confinement for a prescribed period of time, that he might reflect seriously, in seclusion and darkness, on what he was about to undertake, and be reduced to a proper state of mind for the reception of the great and important truths, by a course of fasting and mortification. This was the symbolical death of the mysteries, and his deliverance from confinement was the act of regeneration, or being born again; or as it was also termed, being raised from the dead."

Whilst the three steps of 'Jacob's ladder' represent the three principal stages in life - "Youth, Manhood, and Age." The Arch Purple candidate, by kneeling on this coffin, symbolically indicates he is dying to his old self, and commencing a new mystical life within the Royal Arch Purple Order.

"RIDING THE GOAT" :):):)




After the gravity of his obligation is further impressed upon the Arch Purple candidate the assembled Chapter gather at the back of the steps ('Jacob's ladder') and unfold a large canvas blanket. The blindfolded initiate, who has his back to the blanket is then told to cross his arms whilst still kneeling upon a representation of a coffin.

He is then asked, by the lecturers, "In whom do you put your trust?" The nervous candidate answers "God" (normally with a little prompting from his guide) whereupon he receives a violent push backward unto the blanket. Here he undergoes one of the most painful and humiliating experiences within the Royal Arch Purple ceremony, when he is brutally kicked and tossed upon the blanket by the assembled Chapter for a number of minutes. This practice is known as "riding the goat."

There is no greater proof of the corrupt nature of the Royal Arch Purple Order than this demeaning farce.

Describing the vulgar practices of the Royal Arch Purple degree in 1878, Thomas Macklin, Grand Secretary of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland asserted: "Viewed in relation to religion not only are they useless but profane and degrading, and ought to restrain the men who practise them from laughing at the mummeries and buffooneries of Popery."

Lord Advocate J.B. Balfour attested that on April 27th, 1895, one Rankine of Airblies, Scotland was being initiated into the Arch Purple degree at the Motherwell Orange Lodge when he was blindfolded and tossed so violently in a net or hammock that his spine was dislocated or broken at the neck. He also gave evidence of how in July 1893, one David Blair, while being initiated into the Royal Arch Purple degree at an Orange hall in Belfast, was likewise blindfolded, and while in the act of mounting a table (or ladder) in this condition, fell backwards and was killed.

Such violence within the Order is alluded to in the Chapter's recent book (p. 125). Under the title 'Deterioration in the Arch Purple Discipline' they state "In the early years of the present [20th] century concern was felt by Clerical Brethren and by medical practitioners called upon to render first aid to Arch Purple candidates who had endured a particularly rough travel."

This ceremony, of "riding the goat" is shared by other institutions involved in the mysteries. Former thirty-second degree Mason and Wiccan Witch High Priest, William Schnoebellan testifies to his own experience within Freemasonry: "I was kept in an anteroom. The fellow who was in charge of keeping an eye on me said that I should not worry about riding the goat in the initiation - most guys did it and never fell off. Another fellow came in and said that I shouldn't believe any of 'those stories' about riding the goat. A third fellow winked at me and said they'd only lost a couple of candidates in the last year through death by violence, so I shouldn't worry. It was all done in the manner of good-natured teasing."

Schnoebellan then reveals the foul pagan origins of this blasphemous ceremony, stating: "In the many initiations I observed or actually took part in, I saw a lot of variations of this kind of fraternity house humour. The only common thing in the many jokes and disturbing allusions was this business about riding the goat. That is interesting when one recalls Albert Pike's teaching about the he-goat of the witches' sabbat, and the way witches in the Middle Ages demonstrated their allegiance to Satan. They had to consent to sexual intercourse with 'the goat'; (usually a high priest rigged up with a goat's head, but occasionally a real demonic form which looked goat-like). Or they had to perform the so-called osculum infamum (obscene kiss) which involved kissing the goat's backside to show their fealty to Satan" (Beyond The Light p. 87).

The 'Romanistic' Knights Templar were known to have introduced such practices into their order after the Crusades had been completed. They were widely accused of practising black magic, blasphemy and homosexuality during their many initiations. Such wickedness was too much even for Rome who began to persecute the Templars. When interrogated the Templars told of strange occultic rituals wherein they worshipped a goat-headed demonic apparition called 'the Baphomet'.

This manifestation, 'the Baphomet', seems to have been regarded with idolatrous reverence amongst the Knights Templar. Some authorities on the subject associate 'the Baphomet' with the Arabic abufihamet, pronounced in Moorish Spanish as bufihmat. This name meaning 'Father of understanding' or 'Father of Wisdom'. The word 'father' in Arabic is taken to imply 'source'. The 'source' in this case being clearly the devil.

[deathcultreject]

A member of the Invisible College of the Roscrucian Brotherhood. :(

Is that anything to do with Grant Morrison?

[humito]

A member of the Invisible College of the Roscrucian Brotherhood. :(

lets stay on topic GS............your derailing tactics are wearing thin old chap

[grandsecretary]

lets stay on topic GS............your derailing tactics are wearing thin old chap

You posted the Rosicrucian poem, not me - old chap.

And what was the point of doing so EXACTLY?

Masonic goat riding ....

Stop derailing topics - chummy.

[deathcultreject]

lets stay on topic GS............your derailing tactics are wearing thin old chap

His status as a freemason or an invisible posing as a freemason will throw a lot of light on what he's said.

[grandsecretary]

Masonic Goat Riding is the topic.

I did NOT derail it. Humito derailed it by publishing a poem that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.

When he received a response, one he was not expecting, he did not deal with the response, he diverted it by making an allegation that was untrue.

Stay on topic, and we will have no problem, will we?

[stompk]

Nice post humito. Interesting. Creepy but interesting

[humito]

Masonic Goat Riding is the topic.

I did NOT derail it. Humito derailed it by publishing a poem that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.

When he received a response, one he was not expecting, he did not deal with the response, he diverted it by making an allegation that was untrue.

Stay on topic, and we will have no problem, will we?

LOL ! we seem to have a problem on "topic" as your explanation of the goat as anagram is laughable and is all you have to say on the subject ,sorry i missed your comment on the poem earlier ,SHOWS WHAT LITTLE YOU KNOW.......It is a MASONIC poem written by R.gould,not rosicrucian and is very on topic!

[grandsecretary]

Oh dear.

[deathcultreject]

A member of the Invisible College of the Roscrucian Brotherhood. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_College

I didn't see any mention of goats.

*displays bad motherfucker crack head ticks*

[grandsecretary]

:rolleyes:

[decim]

Do a search google or otherwise on the "order of the golden fleece".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_College

I didn't see any mention of goats.

*displays bad motherfucker crack head ticks*

[deathcultreject]

:rolleyes:

Interesting stuff, but no goddamn goats!

*strokes chainsaw and hockeymask agitatedly*

[grandsecretary]

You sound disappointed. Look, they are ugle, and they smell. ;)

[deathcultreject]

You sound disappointed. Look, they are ugle, and they smell. ;)

I'm sure the irrepressable lodge goat can keep the thread on track all by itself.

So what's the invisible college about?

Or would that be telling?

[grandsecretary]

The Invisible College was a secret group of ant-Catholic Rosicrucians in London which formed the Royal Society and the Grand Lodge of London (constituted by Dr Anderson in 1723) now known as the Moderns form of freemasonry. Nobody ever found out who was the real power behind the throne.

[deathcultreject]

The Invisible College was a secret group of ant-Catholic Rosicrucians in London which formed the Royal Society and the Grand Lodge of London (constituted by Dr Anderson in 1723) now known as the Moderns form of freemasonry. Nobody ever found out who was the real power behind the throne.

Grant Morrison portrayed 'the invisibles' as anarchist adepts operating in cells 'to make a world where everyone can be happy, even our enemies'.

Is this where he got the idea from?

[grandsecretary]

Grant Morrison portrayed 'the invisibles' as anarchist adepts operating in cells 'to make a world where everyone can be happy, even our enemies'.

Is this where he got the idea from?

I believe so.

The Rosicrucian Brotherhood, with the assistance of the Crown of Hanover, took over the genuine form of Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie using it as a cloak for its activities.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/Templeoftherosycross.png

Rosicrucian emblem for The Invisible College.

[keystone]

http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/sign/sign0018.gif (http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-in-Mexico/scuba-diving-in-cancun)

Back to it then.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/4/goatpartyizge128623870398927268.jpg

:D

[grandsecretary]

Sorry. I was asked. Smelly goats ...

[deathcultreject]

I believe so.

The Rosicrucian Brotherhood, with the assistance of the Crown of Hanover, took over the genuine form of Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie using it as a cloak for its activities.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/Templeoftherosycross.png

Rosicrucian emblem for The Invisible College.

OK :)

If that's what was odd about you, then I've got no quarrel with you.

It was someone else who got my scars itching.

I'll just post a goat ritual to justify my presence on the thread.

[deathcultreject]

Here follows a chaos magic invocation of baphomet. It's credited to Peter J Carroll

http://www.templex.org/libchaos/masses/mocb.htm


THE MASS OF CHAOS (B)

Invocation of Baphomet

This rite may be performed as a sacrament of invocation to raise a particular

manifestation of energy for inspiration, divination or communion with

particular domains of consciousness. It may be performed as an act of

enchantment in which spells are projected to modify physical reality. It may

also be performed to consecrate magical instruments, or to evoke entities for

later use.

The rite consists of six parts:

1. Preparation:

The preparation will include the making ready of the site, the erection of circles

and triangles, the placing of instruments and weapons, and the administration

of any chemical or botanical elixirs that may be employed to heighten gnosis.

Banishing rituals, meditation, circle dances, and other forms of preparatory

gnosis may be used to prepare the participants.

2. Statement of Intent:

The statement of intent must be formulated as simply, forcefully, and precisely

as possible. Holding aloft any material basis that is to be used in the rite, the

officiating priest/priestess intones the words, "It is our will_______________",

adding whatever the aim of the rite is to be. The material basis may be some

foodstuff for subsequent consecration and consumption. It may be a sigil with

which to cast an enchantment or a talisman, amulet, or fetish for consecration.

In the event that the basis is to be a sexual elixir, then the priest or priestess

stands empty-handed for the sacrifice is to be of their own bodies.

3. Invocation of Chaos:

The Invocation of Chaos is effected by a barbarous incantation delivered in

conjunction with gnostic methods of the operator's choice. The supreme

animadversion to Chaos is given below, together with a translation which is as

accurate as possible within the primitive logic structure of the English

language. Drawing the Star of Chaos in the air above the circle and assisted by

the visualisations of the same by the other participants, the priest/priestess

begins:

OL - SONUF - VAROSAGAI - GOHU

I - Reign - Over You - Saith

VOUINA - VABZIR - DE - TEHOM - QUADMONAH

The Dragon - Eagle - of - the Primal Chaos

ZIR - ILE - IAIDA - DAYES PRAF - ELILA

I Am - the First - the Highest - That Live In - the First Aether

ZIRDO - KIAFI - CAOSAGO - MOSPELEH - TELOCH

I Am - the Terror - of the Earth - the Horns - of Death

PANPIRA - MALPIRGAY - CAOSAGI

Pouring Down - the Fires of Life - On the Earth

ZAZAS ZAZAS NASATANATA ZAZAS

This last line cannot be translated

The eight-rayed Star of Chaos radiant is visualised above the circle throughout,

and sacrifices of incenses, blood, or sexual elixirs may be made.

4. Invocation of Baphomet:

The priest or priestess who is to assume the manifestation of Baphomet attires

and visualizes himself in the traditional god-form of the power source.

Baphomet, as the representation of the terrestrial life-current, appears as a

horned theriomorphic deity of the androgynous, winged, reptilian, mammalian,

and human aspect. The priest/priestess arouses within himself a resurgence of

the Chi, or Kundalini, or Sacred Firesnake, as it is variously known. Other

participants may assist by delivering such incantations as the incomparable

"Hymn to Pan", by projecting a visualization of the averse pentagram into the

priest/priestess, and if need be, by administering the Osculum Infame. (This socalled

obscene kiss to the devil's hindquarters has been much misunderstood.

All that is required is that one breathes onto the peritoneum, the space between

the genitals and the anus - inside of which the kundalini awaits to be aroused.)

The priest/priestess then completes the invocation with the Aeonic Litany:

IN THE FIRST AEON, I WAS THE GREAT SPIRIT

IN THE SECOND AEON, MEN KNEW ME AS THE HORNED GOD,

PANGENITOR PANPHAGE

IN THE THIRD AEON, I WAS THE DARK ONE THE DEVIL

IN THE FOURTH AEON, MEN KNOW ME NOT, FOR I AM THE HIDDEN

ONE

IN THIS NEW AEON, I APPEAR BEFORE YOU AS BAPHOMET

THE GOD BEFORE ALL GODS WHO SHALL ENDURE TO THE END

OF THE EARTH

The priest/priestess as Baphomet now takes any material basis being used as a

focus for the rite and consecrates it to the purpose of the ritual by whatever

means the god wills in him, perhaps by speech, by gesture, or by some

unexpected means.

5. The Oath:

The oath marks the culmination of the rite. Holding the material basis aloft, the

priest/priestess and all participants affirm

THIS IS MY WILL

If the basis be a sacrament, it is then consumed. If it is a sigil, it is destroyed or

hidden, while a consecrated object is covered and concealed for later use.

6. The Closing:

The closing may necessitate an exorcism of the priest/priestess if the trance or

possession is deep. Any Baphomet symbols and paraphernalia are removed,

and an upright pentagram is drawn over the priest/priestess. A full facial

lustration with cold water is administered, and he is called forth by his ordinary

name until he responds.

A final banishing closes this rite.

[stompk]

How many think it's by accident that they just released the movie,

"Men who stare at goats"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5A

[deathcultreject]

How many think it's by accident that they just released the movie,

"Men who stare at goats"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLtKktbxTw

[deathcultreject]

How many think it's by accident that they just released the movie,

"Men who stare at goats"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2TzspJn5A

In the interests of truthseeking,

Some goats are bred to faint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg

Suffer my little rag doll breed children and come unto me!

[humito]

In the interests of truthseeking,

Some goats are bred to faint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg

Suffer my little rag doll breed children and come unto me!

lol.........fainting goats:)

[kadosh]

INVISIBLES - The True History Of The Rosicrucians - http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/49/p19d.php - Book Review (excerpt) - He draws his exploration to a close by pointing out a twentieth century parallel to the Rosicrucian mystery – the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau. He points to the alternative views of the past: those of history or allegory. The Rosicrucian texts were written as allegories of their times; non-operative Freemasonry was also based upon an allegory written to convey a moral and spiritual lesson; and in a thought provoking section Churton argues that the modern Rennes-le-Chateau story is another such allegory where mysteries are expressed in symbols.

THE INVISIBLE COLLEGE - The Royal Society, Freemasonry and the Birth of Modern Science - http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/21/p17b.php - Book Review (excerpt) - Yet, delve a little deeper and the narrative reveals the usual litany of errors. He quotes verbatim from the modern initiation ritual, clearly not appreciating that it dates from the early nineteenthcentury and is radically different from the original masonic catechisms of a century earlier. He argues, that because the infant Royal Society in the 1660s forbad the discussion of religion and politics at their meetings, the Society must be the progeny of freemasonry, even though the first mention of such a practice in a masonic context occurs only in 1723, more than half a century later. He then preposterously asserts, 'Desaguliers seems to have received all his early instruction in Freemasonry from Scotland …', despite the fact that Desaguliers was already a Past Grand Master in England when he arrived in Scotland. And, in a farcical denuding of the English Old Charges, he dismisses the two earliest masonic manuscripts of circa 1400, because they 'only mention Masons in passing' when, in actual fact they contain the oldest evidence we have of masonic lore and legend. Caveat Emptor!

[lightgiver]

For those who may have forgot :cool:

[stompk]

Bumpity bump.


in England a common belief
that the Freemasons were
accustomed in their Lodges ‘to
raise the Devil.’ So the riding of
the goat, which was believed to
be practiced by the witches,
was transferred to the
Freemasons; and the saying
remains to this day, although
the belief has long since died
out.“
Oliver

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/masonic_bulletin/70/lxx02.pdf

[luciferhorus]

Now, I was banned from ATS (Above Top Secret) for
posting this info, so the Masons definitely don't want
it out there. I'm going to plaster it all over the internet though

More goodies to come.

http://i35.tinypic.com/9zpf7.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAa375C_FOA

http://i34.tinypic.com/14imkg8.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/35n96vp.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/6qfjhf.jpg

More to come.

Images taken from
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/goat_riding_tricycle.htm

http://i38.tinypic.com/w1ehcw.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/244d06t.jpg

What Blasphemy, heresy is this?

OK so Masons have simulated sex with artificial sheep?

The real US Masons, Shriners and Jesters have sex with "real" children and " real" prostitutes.

So those who fuck artificial sheep are just masturbating over an inanimate object.

Why not real sheep?

Why are they so prejudiced against real living sheep and prefer children and young female sex slaves and prostitutes?

What is so wrong with living sheep?

Is it possible that the Masons are actually prejudiced against sheep shaggers and only accept paedophiles into their brotherhood, or are they fully accepting of men who masturbate over artificial sheep?

I stongly suspect that the Masons prefer paedophiles to artificial sheep shaggers, but if any Mason would dispute this and prefer to masturbate over real sheep rather than to have sex with children, please make your arguments known?

J'accuse only some Masons of being (artificial) sheep shaggers, but the others who have sex with children and prostitutes may only be guilty of being so unnatractive to women that they have to pay for sex.

Lux

http://opensourcejokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/sheep_shagger.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_a51NfzEFgKc/SIEGVe9gJ4I/AAAAAAAAAoY/Af25RDCmPSE/s400/sheep+shagger.jpg

[zero1]

Heh, one of the funniest threads ever on here; so glad it's made a comeback.

All this talk about the fact of Masonic Goat-riding and Sheep-shagging is corrupting the morals of the forum members, methinks.

Oh wait...

No...

That's not really possible, is it?

No.

:D:cool::p;)

[scorpio]

http://i38.tinypic.com/w1ehcw.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/244d06t.jpg

What Blasphemy, heresy is this?

OK so Masons have simulated sex with artificial sheep?

The real US Masons, Shriners and Jesters have sex with "real" children and " real" prostitutes.

So those who fuck artificial sheep are just masturbating over an inanimate object.

Why not real sheep?

Why are they so prejudiced against real living sheep and prefer children and young female sex slaves and prostitutes?

What is so wrong with living sheep?

Is it possible that the Masons are actually prejudiced against sheep shaggers and only accept paedophiles into their brotherhood, or are they fully accepting of men who masturbate over artificial sheep?

I stongly suspect that the Masons prefer paedophiles to artificial sheep shaggers, but if any Mason would dispute this and prefer to masturbate over real sheep rather than to have sex with children, please make your arguments known?

J'accuse only some Masons of being (artificial) sheep shaggers, but the others who have sex with children and prostitutes may only be guilty of being so unnatractive to women that they have to pay for sex.

Lux

http://opensourcejokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/sheep_shagger.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_a51NfzEFgKc/SIEGVe9gJ4I/AAAAAAAAAoY/Af25RDCmPSE/s400/sheep+shagger.jpg

Mr Lucifer Horus; Freemasons do not have sexual interests in goats. What you have posted is not acceptable as it is a vicious and unjustified attack on a society of men who do not deserve the attack that you have made on them.

Freemasons tend to turn the other cheek when they are attacked by posts of this type. I am not such a Freemason and will refute the accusations that you have made regarding Freemasons and sex with sheep.

In Freemasonry some lodges test the candidates about what they have been told during the first degree and give them paper to help them remember what they have been told. If they write anything down about the 'secrets' of the degree they are told that they have failed the test and have symbolically fallen of the goat they have been symbollically riding.

Brother/Frater Gerard

[eshalis]

All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Prince Elijah Shalis of France

[scorpio]

All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Prince Elijah Shalis of France

That is a wicked thing to say. Why do you promote the mass murder of people who contribute to society by acting in a moral way and carrying out charitable acts?
If you are just here to be an Internet Troll then what you say is in bad taste but if you really believe that people should be killed then please seek medical help.
Brother/Frater Gerard a concerned Freemason

[eshalis]

That is a wicked thing to say. Why do you promote the mass murder of people who contribute to society by acting in a moral way and carrying out charitable acts?
If you are just here to be an Internet Troll then what you say is in bad taste but if you really believe that people should be killed then please seek medical help.
Brother/Frater Gerard a concerned Freemason


Please explain why the freemasons built a giant statue of Liberty From God in NY that is depicted by The Black Madonna Queen Semiramis, the Queen of the Heavenly Host of Satan. Please also explain why the Masons consider King Nimrod to be the first Mason when he was an evil King, built the tower of babel, was an idolater and tried to kill Abraham as an infant.

Maybe you should do some more research. Not to mention they illegally overthrough the French King. I would burn them at the stake, that wasn't a joke.

[scorpio]

Please explain why the freemasons built a giant statue of Liberty From God in NY that is depicted by The Black Madonna Queen Semiramis, the Queen of the Heavenly Host of Satan. Please also explain why the Masons consider King Nimrod to be the first Mason when he was an evil King, built the tower of babel, was an idolater and tried to kill Abraham as an infant.

Maybe you should do some more research. Not to mention they illegally overthrough the French King. I would burn them at the stake, that wasn't a joke.

I am at a loss to try and understand the accusations regarding Freemasons and 'Satanic Worship' As a Freemason who has been fortunate to sit in the chair of many orders I disagree that KM is the first Mason. There is an order of Freemasonry that predates KN. That is the Royal Ark Mariners and when you take the chair in this order you symbollically sit in the chair or Worshipful Commander Noah and are styled Worshipful Commander Noah.

Freeasons do not worship the Devil or any other such wicked entity. Freemasons believe and have revernace for the 'Supreme Being' who created the Universe.

The Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World was a gift of friendship from the people of France to the people of the United States and is a universal symbol of freedom and democracy. The Statue of Liberty was dedicated on October 28, 1886, designated as a National Monument in 1924 and restored for her centennial on July 4, 1986.

Source Statuet of Liberty official website.

I am sure that when Louis the 16th was deposed by the will of the people that there was many people who were not Freemasons. They were people who were not prepared to accept the rule of a man who was not elected to office but in office due to the accident of birth.

The fact that you say you would murder people is wicked and suggest that you are a person who is sick and needs help. No sane person says that he wants to murder people.
Frater/brother Gerard

[loveisthelaw]

I am capricornius, please do not try to mount me!

[loveisthelaw]

BTW, it might be a battering ram for when they misplace the keys to the lodge hahaha

[eshalis]

The Statue of Liberty was a gift of the French FreeMasons to the American ones which built the pedestal. It signifys the Liberty from God. It was built in the image of Queen Semiramis, the Black Madonna.

Albert Pike himself said it was all about Juhbulon/Lucifer. You guys are so evil it makes me sick.

So now instead of a King by Divine Right to Rule we have a Masonic cabal of satanic corporations running everything.

You need medical help.

[loveisthelaw]

Who are "you guys" and "you" - does that include yourself?

"He that is without sin, let him cast the next stone"

[eshalis]

Who are "you guys" and "you" - does that include yourself?

"He that is without sin, let him cast the next stone"

Which is why I don't cast stones. I am for BURNING, totally different.

[loveisthelaw]

Which is why I don't cast stones. I am for BURNING, totally different.

nice humor :) but you are a bit violent eh, rage problems? ;)

[loveisthelaw]

BTW, have you tried riding a goat? don't knock it until you have tried it!"!

[macneil]

I could swear I posted an inflatable sheep here earlier...

[luciferhorus]

Mr Lucifer Horus; Freemasons do not have sexual interests in goats. What you have posted is not acceptable as it is a vicious and unjustified attack on a society of men who do not deserve the attack that you have made on them.

Freemasons tend to turn the other cheek when they are attacked by posts of this type. I am not such a Freemason and will refute the accusations that you have made regarding Freemasons and sex with sheep.



I did not accuse the Masons of having sex with sheep; I merely accused them of using artificial sheep and of discriminating against real sheep in favour of prostitutes, sex slaves and children.

See my essay "On the Shriners and Jesters: a Charity Scam," regarding the use of prostitutes and sex slaves at Jester and Shriners' events and of child-sex tourism (over a third of all US Masons are Shriners and Jesters).

I am at a loss to try and understand the accusations regarding Freemasons and 'Satanic Worship' ..................

Freeasons do not worship the Devil or any other such wicked entity. Freemasons believe and have revernace for the 'Supreme Being' who created the Universe.



Defining God

Well I have gone over this issue many times before. As I understand it Freemasonry is essentially a "Christian" organisation at it's higher levels and only admits Christians.

A Christian by default is essentially a person who claims to represent the teachings of Jesus and to be a follower of Jesus.

I have a number of essays here on this forum regarding the edicts (the "do this" and "do not do this" commandments) of Jesus; however, to restate and simplify:

http://www.luciferia.tv/communist_jesus.gif

Satan / Set / Saturn

I should point out that I essentially also define myself as a Satanist, however this is simply because that is how I am perceived by the Christians, as an enemy of their god; an accusation which is totally correct; I seek the total eradication of Christianity from the face of the earth (and indeed of all forms of organised religion), and I am an avowed enemy of the morally worthless, grossly hypocritical Capitalist tyrant who is the Christian god.

Satan / Set / Saturn is essentially an astrologicial archetype and has both malevolent and benevolent qualities; he is a god (archetype) associated with agriculture, of death and of rebirth, of the darkness of night and winter, of restriction and destruction; often he is symbolised by the Grim Reaper; all such terms relate to perfectly natural processes, and all persons born when the sun is in Capricorn (which includes the mythical birthdate of Jesus) have Saturn as their planetary ruler with respect to the sun-sign.

As far as I am aware, Masons do not worship Saturn / Set / Saturn; on the contrary, however they claim to believe in a god which can only be described as Saturn in his most malevolent qualities. For example if we compare the teachings of the historical Jesus to the beliefs and lifestyle of Masons and their cult leaders, I think that it is indisputable that Masons universally (without exception) reject the teachings of Jesus and thus their claim to be Christians is entirely hypocritical and indeed represents a mockery of the historical Jesus; the God of Masonry is essentially the God of Capitalism (monetarism), of state terrorism / narco-terrorism, of Usury, of private propertyism; it is the God of the economic elites and religious hypocrites; their claim to be "followers" of Jesus is just gross hypocrisy and a mask they use to hide their malevolent Capitalist deity (i.e., "God").

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_madyzqmHA2o/RgFd1ImzRYI/AAAAAAAAAFA/AdVOoDDEbD4/s400/Hypocrisy+Meter+03-21-07.gif

Thus I have no hesitation in stating that the god of the Masons is an anti-Capitalist's definition of a Capitalist Devil, and since Jesus was clearly an anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist, Masonry thus represents the most malevolent qualities of Saturn, that of destruction, of mockery, of chaos; what is essentially being destroyed, mocked and misused is the legacy of the person whom Masons claim to represent (the historical Jesus).

Unfortunately the Masons are not alone in their gross and disgusting hypocrisy, the same argument can be made against all Christians with the possible exception of Christian Anarchists, Christian Communists and Liberation Theologians in general, who are in my judgement the only people on earth today who truly represent the genuine attempt to convey aspects of the essence and legacy of the historical Jesus.

Shame. Hypocrisy.

Lux
Fire, Plague and Poisoned Waters.

http://www.luciferia.tv/1ChildrenOftheSlaves/jesus_bush.gif

[stompk]

The Statue of Liberty was a gift of the French FreeMasons to the American ones which built the pedestal. It signifys the Liberty from God. It was built in the image of Queen Semiramis, the Black Madonna.

Albert Pike himself said it was all about Juhbulon/Lucifer. You guys are so evil it makes me sick.

So now instead of a King by Divine Right to Rule we have a Masonic cabal of satanic corporations running everything.

You need medical help.

I agree. They will all get a chance in Hell. Then, they will be raised to face Jesus himself for judgement...

[scorpio]

I agree. They will all get a chance in Hell. Then, they will be raised to face Jesus himself for judgement...

What a nice person you are when you seek the damnation of people who are Freemasons.
The quote by Albert Pike regarding the name of God is used by people who hate Freemasons and Freemasonry as Pike never said that.
The problem with most Freemasons is that they turn the other cheek when people lie about them. This Freemason does not.

As you have religious belief I refer you to the Commandment that states
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
regards
Brother/Frater Gerard

[rydeon]

I am at a loss to try and understand the accusations regarding Freemasons and 'Satanic Worship' As a Freemason who has been fortunate to sit in the chair of many orders I disagree that KM is the first Mason. There is an order of Freemasonry that predates KN. That is the Royal Ark Mariners and when you take the chair in this order you symbollically sit in the chair or Worshipful Commander Noah and are styled Worshipful Commander Noah.

Freeasons do not worship the Devil or any other such wicked entity. Freemasons believe and have revernace for the 'Supreme Being' who created the Universe.

The Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World was a gift of friendship from the people of France to the people of the United States and is a universal symbol of freedom and democracy. The Statue of Liberty was dedicated on October 28, 1886, designated as a National Monument in 1924 and restored for her centennial on July 4, 1986.

Source Statuet of Liberty official website.

I am sure that when Louis the 16th was deposed by the will of the people that there was many people who were not Freemasons. They were people who were not prepared to accept the rule of a man who was not elected to office but in office due to the accident of birth.

The fact that you say you would murder people is wicked and suggest that you are a person who is sick and needs help. No sane person says that he wants to murder people.
Frater/brother Gerard

Well said man.

All these haters on here are what makes me sick.
This Pike fella sounds like a gimp who had a grudge against FM. Maybe they rejected him, just like the King of France was rejected from the Templars and later went out of his way to bring it down.
The French king also looted all the Templar wealth he could find as well, funny thing that.

[rapunzel]

The Statue of Liberty was a gift of the French FreeMasons to the American ones which built the pedestal. It signifys the Liberty from God. It was built in the image of Queen Semiramis, the Black Madonna.

Albert Pike himself said it was all about Juhbulon/Lucifer. You guys are so evil it makes me sick.

So now instead of a King by Divine Right to Rule we have a Masonic cabal of satanic corporations running everything.

You need medical help.

Silly, Semiramis is an invention.

[stompk]

What a nice person you are when you seek the damnation of people who are Freemasons.


Not seeking damnation for the schmucks. Trying to get them to realize where they are headed. And they're trying to take us all down with them...

If you can't realize that, pull your head out of your ass.

[scorpio]

As a Freemason I would prefer to decide what is best for me. Thanks for your concern regarding my future destination.
regards
Gerard

[stompk]

As a Freemason I would prefer to decide what is best for me. Thanks for your concern regarding my future destination.
regards
Gerard

Sorry to interrupt your goat schtupping session. You can go back to baby killing now..

[humason]

Sorry to interrupt your goat schtupping session. You can go back to baby killing now..

:confused:

Now, that's a mature response, full of well-researched arguments and a sign of a clear, logical and reasonable - not to mention open - mind.

[stompk]

:confused:

Now, that's a mature response, full of well-researched arguments and a sign of a clear, logical and reasonable - not to mention open - mind.

Seriously, do you think I give a shit what you or any of your homosexual shriner buddies think?

[humason]

Seriously, do you think I give a shit what you or any of your homosexual shriner buddies think?

Absolutely not. But then again, you do probably realize that your incoherent rants, extreme hostility, language and ideas worthy of a Bangkok strip-club are about as relevant - and important - to the "homosexuals" (you say it like it's a bad thing?) you refer to as the current situation of bunions on Madge from Wisteria lane 457 in Bummf*ck, WI? :D

Not to mention that, while I do not agree with him, people like LuciferHorus are at least intelligent, well-read people who manage to convey their point in a way where it's a pleasure to read them, even though I don't agree with them.

You, on the other hand, well... meh.

[stompk]

Absolutely not. But then again, you do probably realize that your incoherent rants, extreme hostility, language and ideas worthy of a Bangkok strip-club are about as relevant - and important - to the "homosexuals" (you say it like it's a bad thing?) you refer to as the current situation of bunions on Madge from Wisteria lane 457 in Bummf*ck, WI? :D

Not to mention that, while I do not agree with him, people like LuciferHorus are at least intelligent, well-read people who manage to convey their point in a way where it's a pleasure to read them, even though I don't agree with them.

You, on the other hand, well... meh.

Doesn't surprise me that you are sympathetic to Lucifers Whore.

Thanks for keeping the thread alive though...

[masonicboom]

Oh.. I don't know. I found stompk's posts and link highly amusing and interesting. I take it we are still allowed to form our own opinions on here?



When Father Rode the Goat
Author Unknown

The house is full of arcana, and mystery profound;
We do not dare to run about or make the slightest sound.

We leave the big piano shut and do not strike a note;
the doctor's been here seven times since father rode the goat.

He joined the lodge a week ago; Got in at 4:00 a.m. ----
And sixteen brethren brought him home, though he says that he brought them.

His wrist was sprained and one big rip had rent his Sunday coat ----
There must have been a lively time when father rode the goat.

He's resting on the couch today! And practicing his signs ----
The hailing signal, the working grip, and other monkeyshines;

He mutters passwords 'neath his breath, And other things he'll quote ----
They surely had an evening's work when father rode the goat.

He has a gorgeous uniform, all gold and red and blue ----
A hat with plumes and yellow braid, And golden badges too.

But, somehow, when we mention it, he wears a look so grim;
we wonder if he rode the goat ---- or if the goat rode him!

Lol...




That is an awesome piece !!
Friggin Brilliant.

[humason]

Doesn't surprise me that you are sympathetic to Lucifers Whore.

Thanks for keeping the thread alive though...

Ah, yes, now I get it. A Fundie! :D No Virginia, this isn't your normal conspiracy theorist. I like you guys. Tell me, seen any dinosaurs lately? :D

http://www.southdacola.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jesusrodedinos1-467x700.jpg

But, well, never mind that, it won't matter next week when Armageddon comes, eh? ;)

[stompk]

Ah, yes, now I get it. A Fundie! :D No Virginia, this isn't your normal conspiracy theorist. I like you guys. Tell me, seen any dinosaurs lately? :D

http://www.southdacola.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jesusrodedinos1-467x700.jpg

But, well, never mind that, it won't matter next week when Armageddon comes, eh? ;)

Your truly showing your anti-christ side. Know wonder you don't like the bible, even though you probably took and oath on it..It warns us about Satans minion like you.

And hey, if you want to fuck your buddy in the ass, that's your problem. But please, try and leave the goats alone.

[humason]

Your truly showing your anti-christ side. Know wonder you don't like the bible, even though you probably took and oath on it..It warns us about Satans minion like you.

Oh, I like the bible. In fact, I own several copies of it, in several different languages - one even with a Square and Compasses on it, imagine that.

But I'm not silly enough to read and interpret it as the literal truth, especially after reading up on the way it was copy/pasted together from the then-politically acceptable bits :)


Besides, the old testament God is an evil, vindictive S-O-B with a strong sadistic bent. I can see where you get your charm from. :D I like the new testament guy a lot more (must have really done some serious soul-searching to have had such a major personality change between the two parts, don't you think?).

[stompk]

Oh, I like the bible. In fact, I own several copies of it, in several different languages - one even with a Square and Compasses on it, imagine that.

But I'm not silly enough to read and interpret it as the literal truth, especially after reading up on the way it was copy/pasted together from the then-politically acceptable bits :)


Besides, the old testament God is an evil, vindictive S-O-B with a strong sadistic bent. I can see where you get your charm from. :D I like the new testament guy a lot more (must have really done some serious soul-searching to have had such a major personality change between the two parts, don't you think?).

Please. I can see right through your phony chivalry.

[humason]

Please. I can see right through your phony chivalry.

Chivalry? I'm sorry, no, I tried to imply that you're a whackjob. Okay, let me put it in words you can interpret literally:

Just like you believe that Masons are "Satan's whores" and worthy of eternal damnation and hell, I think that the mere idea of interpreting the Bible as a literal description and a factual document of events should be treated as criminal insanity, and punished with immediate confinement for the protection of the individual, along with an intensive mental health consulting regime, and accompanied by mood stabilizers, in order to explain to the subject the concepts of "allegory", "the scientific method", "carbon dating", "the extinction of the dinosaurs" and "fantasy and science fiction".

Is that better?

(P.S.: Yet, oddly enough, I still believe in God. Go figure.)

[grandsecretary]

I assume that stompk does not eat pork or shell fish, or does he just pick and choose according to his personal prejudices? Men who are secure with their own sexuality usually do not bother themselves with others who are.

[stompk]

I assume that stompk does not eat pork or shell fish, or does he just pivck and choose according to his personal prejudices? men who are secure with their own sexuality usually do not bother interfering with those who are secure with theirs.

Had pork tacos last night. Mussels about a week ago...

Hows the Duke of Kent, and the Queen. Still sacrificing babies?

[grandsecretary]

Had pork tacos last night. Mussels about a week ago...

Hows the Duke of Kent, and the Queen. Still sacrificing babies?

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I have not a clue how the Duke of Kent or Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth are. What I do know is that the world suffers the most from the madnesses of successive US Presidents, far more than anything else. Dumb elected by the even dumber.

Pork tacos .... Yuk! Can't you cook decent food? No wonder America has such problems with heart disease.

[humason]

Had pork tacos last night. Mussels about a week ago...



Oh my, you're on the way to hell. I'm bringing you up on charges against "Deuteronomy 14, Article 7", and multiple counts on the basis of "Deuteronomy 14, Article 9".

Damned for all eternity!

NEXT!

[grandsecretary]

He picks and chooses. He is just a narrow minded prejudiced taco receptical. Uuuugh! What do you expect from a nation that invented the Big Mac? How could any civilised human being eat such crap?

[humason]

He picks and chooses. He is just a narrow minded prejudiced taco receptical. Uuuugh! What do you expect from a nation that invented the Big Mac? How could any civilised human being eat such crap?

At least it's not made out of pork with an oyster sauce. :D

Besides, if we're interpreting the Bible literally, there's another nice morsel in Dt 14...

"You must also give food to the poor who live in your town, including orphans, widows, and foreigners."

Ah, yes. Shall we go take a look at who - besides the Church - gives the most to children (I'm taking some leeway with the "orphans"), widows and foreigners?

Oh, yes! The devil-worshiping Shriners, I hear, do some little things for the kiddies (surely, just to get them ready to be slaughtered in Satan-worship!), and these widows, well, I hear that the local lodge serves them - oh, sorry, I meant to say, assists them - on occasion.

I'm with you Peter (even though we're a little different on the Masonic and God opinions) - where do they find these people? :D

[stompk]

Oh my, you're on the way to hell. I'm bringing you up on charges against "Deuteronomy 14, Article 7", and multiple counts on the basis of "Deuteronomy 14, Article 9".

Damned for all eternity!

NEXT!

Bible also says thou shalt not kill.

Yet David killed Goliath and God rewarded him. Why? Cause nobody likes a kiss-ass, even God..

David risked eternal damnation to stop the slaughter of the people that loved God at the hand of Goliath and his army...

The greatest sacrifice is to sacrifice your life for your friend, as long as you love God...

The Bible is meant to be taken in context, not used in pieces to further one's agenda...

[humason]

The Bible is meant to be taken in context, not used in pieces to further one's agenda...

Are you kidding me? This, coming from YOU?! :D Hey, buddy, how about taking Genesis into context? :D

[loveoverhate]

The Bible was written by flawed men who publicly called themselves Christians. The "God" of the Old Testament was not the true Creator as the true Creator views animal and human sacrifice as abominations. For this reason and others I take the Bible with a few grains of salt and no longer consider myself a Christian. But I believe in the tenets of Christ and all that he is said to have stood for. The Christian religion does not represent the full teachings of Christ nor has it ever.

As for the FreeMasons, it's impossible to truly judge them because there's no real evidence to back anything up (that I'm aware of). The only 4 things I've been able to glean from them is that their charitable work is never done publicly and seems ineffective in the face of the current chaos in the world, they never seem interested in representing themselves at public rallies, and that those in this particular forum all seem to share the same brand of sarcastic humor. And fourth, I've never seen any of them here post on threads outside of the "secret society" and "satanic" forums. So beyond seeming to have a "one-track mind", there's no way to tell. These alone are not enough to judge them so I remain agnostic on the issue. I've listened to both sides and both of them are convincing so the jury's out on this one.

Oh, and Stompk? If you would please stop judging all gay/bi people I would appreciate it as I'm bisexual myself and don't subscribe to any dogma other than unconditional Goodness.

[grandsecretary]

All I can say is "God help us and save us from such dullards".

[stompk]

Yeah, I've never really been politically correct...

We're tolerating ourselves out of existence.

[grandsecretary]

Yeah, I've never really been politically correct...

We're tolerating ourselves out of existence.

Don't be so negative. Accepting that God made homosexuals and their homosexuality is not a difficult concept to grasp. Homosexuality is a matter of nature not the application of God's free will.

Nobody chooses to be a homosexual. They and you choose to exercise your sexual proclivities in exactly the same way that any heterosexual or homosexual does.

The invention of contraception, starting with the pig's intestine used as a condom, followed by the rubber, then the diaphram, and currently the contraceptive and the morning after pills, have transformed our attitudes towards sex. It is now a recreational activity, not primarily or even essentially reproductive.

You do not tolerate this. The truth of the matter is that it is a perfectly legal activity in the privacy of the bedroom and it is simply a case of what you do in your bedroom is your business and what others do in theirs ... is not your business. It does not and should not concern you in the slightest.

Toleration is what we do with you ... here.

[luciferhorus]

Don't be so negative. Accepting that God made homosexuals and their homosexuality is not a difficult concept to grasp. Homosexuality is a matter of nature not the application of God's free will.

Nobody chooses to be a homosexual. They and you choose to exercise your sexual proclivities in exactly the same way that any heterosexual or homosexual does.

The invention of contraception, starting with the pig's intestine used as a condom, followed by the rubber, then the diaphram, and currently the contraceptive and the morning after pills, have transformed our attitudes towards sex. It is now a recreational activity, not primarily or even essentially reproductive.

You do not tolerate this. The truth of the matter is that it is a perfectly legal activity in the privacy of the bedroom and it is simply a case of what you do in your bedroom is your business and what others do in theirs ... is not your business. It does not and should not concern you in the slightest.

Toleration is what we do with you ... here.

Intolerance.

http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/bible-verses.gif

While I certainly agree with your statements above, they do seem rather strange coming from a person who claims to be an "ordained Christian priest" and who considers the Bible to be a "book of moral law," particularly since the Biblical law of the proto-fascist, homophobic, sexually repressed, Biblical god demands execution for same sex relationships, for women who are found not to be virgins when they are sold into slavery (marriage) by the fathers, and for other "sexual" offences, though the gang rape of females in conquered territories (after the genocide of the males) is apparently acceptible.

This Biblical god seems to be the definition of "intolerance."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/MuseoArchNapoliGSpancapra3122.jpg/220px-MuseoArchNapoliGSpancapra3122.jpg

I should point out that I have no objection at all to Masons having sex with men, women, goats or indeed any kind of animals, insects, fish or inanimate objects. I have not had sex with animals myself (I prefer humans) but I do understand it's ritual purpose. Frankly the Masonic rituals are rather dissapointing and appear to be rather devoid of any bestiality or sexual rites; since your GLOA cult is a new religious movement, perhaps you might consider incorporating some Druidic sex rituals and a bit of bestiality; I think you would find that you might attract a lot more rectruits into your cult if you did so.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril_%2828%29.jpg/240px-%C3%89douard-Henri_Avril_%2828%29.jpg

"In Ancient Egypt, at the temple in Mendes, the goat was viewed as the incarnation of the god of procreation. As a ritual of worship, the male priests would use female goats for sex, and the female priests would do likewise with male goats. Similar activity was also witnessed in Ancient Greece....There is a famous statue of the mythological satyr Pan using a goat for sex, which was found in Pompeii. As with the rest of the erotic art in Pompeii, it shocked the Victorian sensibilities of the time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93goat_sexual_intercourse

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_P7j5wOQDwNo/SkFdMPsC_wI/AAAAAAAAAVw/2IXeQ_vsFVM/s640/100_0444.jpg

My objections to Masonry have nothing to do with human or animal sexuality; it is entirely the "Capitalist" and "cultist" nature of the religion which concerns me, and that persons who are entirely devoid of moral worth and part of the Capitalist establishment, such as the Duke of Kent, and other assorted anti-Communists, Capitalists, Usuryists & state terrorist / narco-terrorist collaborators are considered to be "good."

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_P7j5wOQDwNo/S4HK2avfA9I/AAAAAAAABpw/FHsUNjTYsV0/s640/100_1478.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_P7j5wOQDwNo/SkFdXCMxqVI/AAAAAAAAAWU/T2ziN5v7cmc/s640/100_0457.jpg

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

[grandsecretary]

I suspect that you have not read the Celtic Christian Biblical texts.

[luciferhorus]

I suspect that you have not read the Celtic Christian Biblical texts.

No I have not read them in entirety, but I am familiar with many of the general beliefs and positions.

I think that most or "all" of the texts are available on the Internet and from http://celticchristianity.org/library/

Theologically there are both similarities and differences with Roman Catholicism, but from my own personal 21st century philosophical and metaphysical worldview the differences are little more than the differences between different sects (sections) of the same religion.

It is still essentially a form of Paulianity which emphasises the worship of Jesus as an object of idolatry and the rejection of his teachings. There is a similar obsession with the "sinful" that Catholicism has and which equates often what is "natural" and "erotic" with "sin." It is just another form of Christianity.

Having said this, I should point out that I consider there to have been many "progressive" aspects of "early" Christianity in a society which was rather brutal and barbarian in many parts of Europe; the pre-Christian culture often being rather unjustly romanticised in the modern era. Similarly I consider "Buddha" to have been a progressive influence on Hindu society for his era, and Mohammad's economic reforms to have been certainly imperfect but certainly progressive, however this does not make a Buddhist or a Muslim; on the contrary.

Lux

[grandsecretary]

No I have not read them in entirety, but I am familiar with many of the general beliefs and positions.

I think that most or "all" of the texts are available on the Internet and from http://celticchristianity.org/library/

Theologically there are both similarities and differences with Roman Catholicism, but from my own personal 21st century philosophical and metaphysical worldview the differences are little more than the differences between different sects (sections) of the same religion.

It is still essentially a form of Paulianity which emphasises the worship of Jesus as an object of idolatry and the rejection of his teachings. There is a similar obsession with the "sinful" that Catholicism has and which equates often what is "natural" and "erotic" with "sin." It is just another form of Christianity.

Having said this, I should point out that I consider there to have been many "progressive" aspects of "early" Christianity in a society which was rather brutal and barbarian in many parts of Europe; the pre-Christian culture often being rather unjustly romanticised in the modern era. Similarly I consider "Buddha" to have been a progressive influence on Hindu society for his era, and Mohammad's economic reforms to have been certainly imperfect but certainly progressive, however this does not make a Buddhist or a Muslim; on the contrary.

Lux

Celtic Christianity is Johannine, definitely NOT Pauline.

[luciferhorus]

Celtic Christianity is Johannine, definitely NOT Pauline.

Hellenic Christianity vs. the Judaism and Protocommunism of Jesus.

From a non-Christian, purely academic perspective of all the four Gospels, the "Gospel of John," often called the "Greek Gospel" or the "Theological Gospel" is the Gospel which has the most in common with Paulianity and the deification of Jesus. Although attributed to Jesus' disciple John, it is widely held that the philosophical Greek in which the Gospel is written in, is highly unlikley to have been the authorship of the Israelite John, particlarly since the Gospel of John is the most anti-Jewish of the four gospels and is thus thought to be unlikely to be attributed to a Messianic Jew who revered the laws of Moses, as Jesus and his disciples allegedly did.

Matt. 5:18-19: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Of course I am not a proponent of the primitive 613 Mosaic Laws; on the contrary. However neither are most Christians; thus they simply reject the Law and they do this alleging that they followers of Jesus; however it certainly seems clear that Jesus certainly still considered the Law to be relevant until the end of time.

Religion often becomes syncretic (a mixture of sources) and new religions are often built upon the foundations of old religions. Buddha as you are aware was an atheist who rejected the existence of an immortal soul, renicarnation, idolatry and forbade the residents of his sanga (community) to receive money; yet in various parts of the world Buddhism has merged with local traditions and idolatry, reincarnation beliefs, Temple worship and monetary offerings to the priests have become part of "Buddhism."

Similarly with "Jesus" who was very much a would be Israelite Messiah and an anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist (proto-Communist) who considered himself to be an adherent of the Mosaic Law, as did those who survived him in Jerusalem; the religion which sprang forth from Jesus and spread through Europe, was however essentially a Hellenic construct based upon a rejection of his teachings and the worship of Jesus as an object of idolatry. In this respect there is essentially no difference between Johannine and Pauline Christianity, though certainly Paul "added" many of his own positions which were rejected by Jesus' followers in Jerusalem where he was accused of leading people away from Moses, an accusation which eventually led to his arrest and the end of his ministry. Further there is nothing in Celtic Christianity which suggests the rejection of Paulianity; on the contrary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRbuKDJhzU4
Video above: "Jesus vs. Paulianity." From the Channel Four documentary: "The Secret Family of Jesus"

Lux

[grandsecretary]

As you so rightly pointed out, you have not read the relevant Biblical texts.

"From the very beginnings of the new Church there was a body of doctrine stemming from John to whom, it was said, the true secrets of Christianity had been communicated by Jesus. This teaching was strongly tinged with gnosticism. The Apocryphon of John, or the secret book of John, purports to reveal the 'mysteries concealed in silence' that Jesus taught him. The book was cited by Irenaeus, and a version of it was also found at Nag Hammadi. Many gnostic schools claimed the canonical gospel of John as a work embodying their own doctrines, and used it as a primary source of their teachings ... It presents a mystical rather than a historical Jesus, with concepts derived from Alexandrian philosophy." This Church of John and its followers, who have been called Johannine Christians, appears to have had roots both in the Middle East and Western Europe. (SOURCE: Benjamin Walker in his work Gnosticism: Its History and Influence by Benjamin Walker 1983)

I am not saying that I agree entirely with this analysis but it shows you that the Celtic Church specifically rejects the Pauline succession. Our Christianity stems from The Forerunner of Christ. We do not follow the Roman calendar.

[combichrist]

Good read.

[luciferhorus]

As you so rightly pointed out, you have not read the relevant Biblical texts.

""From the very beginnings of the new Church there was a body of doctrine stemming from John to whom, it was said, the true secrets of Christianity had been communicated by Jesus. This teaching was strongly tinged with gnosticism. The Apocryphon of John, or the secret book of John, purports to reveal the 'mysteries concealed in silence' that Jesus taught him. The book was cited by Irenaeus, and a version of it was also found at Nag Hammadi. Many gnostic schools claimed the canonical gospel of John as a work embodying their own doctrines, and used it as a primary source of their teachings ... It presents a mystical rather than a historical Jesus, with concepts derived from Alexandrian philosophy." This Church of John and its followers, who have been called Johannine Christians, appears to have had roots both in the Middle East and Western Europe. (SOURCE: Benjamin Walker in his work Gnosticism: Its History and Influence by Benjamin Walker 1983) ""

I am not saying that I agree entirely with this analysis but it shows you that the Celtic Church specifically rejects the Pauline succession. Our Christianity stems from The Forerunner of Christ. We do not follow the Roman calendar.

When you state that "Our Christianity stems from The Forerunner of Christ," I have no idea who you are referring to since the term forerunner refer to a predecessor (i.e., one who came before). Jesus clearly believed that his predecessors were Moses and the Prophets, whom he revered. Christianity, including Celtic Christianity is based on a rejection of the laws of Moses and the teachings of Jesus and is based on the Hellenic idolatry of Jesus promoted by persons who "came after" Jesus and who turned his religion into a cult of idolatry with a magickal "saviour deity" who offers entry to eternal heaven to those who reject his teachings and the Mosaic Law which he revered; Celtic Christianity appears no different in this respect; it seems to have nothing to do with Judaism or Jesus, apart from in name only.

If one looks at the texts and theology of Celtic Christianity (see http://celticchristianity.org/library/) it is simply another sect (section) of Hellenic Christianity; there is no rejection of Paul's writings or theology, and all the various mythological additions such as the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Birth, the ressurrection, salvation though a savior deity etc., are there and there is a complete rejection of the Judaism of Jesus (the Mosaic Law) and his primitivist Communism.

Christian cults often focus on their unique differences with the theology and beliefs of other competing Christian cults in the Capitalist Jesus business, however such differences betwen Christian sects are barely recognisable by non Christians.

Lux

Hellenic Christianity vs. the Judaism and Protocommunism of Jesus.

From a non-Christian, purely academic perspective of all the four Gospels, the "Gospel of John," often called the "Greek Gospel" or the "Theological Gospel" is the Gospel which has the most in common with Paulianity and the deification of Jesus. Although attributed to Jesus' disciple John, it is widely held that the philosophical Greek in which the Gospel is written in, is highly unlikley to have been the authorship of the Israelite John, particlarly since the Gospel of John is the most anti-Jewish of the four gospels and is thus thought to be unlikely to be attributed to a Messianic Jew who revered the laws of Moses, as Jesus and his disciples allegedly did.

Matt. 5:18-19: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Of course I am not a proponent of the primitive 613 Mosaic Laws; on the contrary. However neither are most Christians; thus they simply reject the Law and they do this alleging that they followers of Jesus; however it certainly seems clear that Jesus certainly still considered the Law to be relevant until the end of time.

Religion often becomes syncretic (a mixture of sources) and new religions are often built upon the foundations of old religions. Buddha as you are aware was an atheist who rejected the existence of an immortal soul, renicarnation, idolatry and forbade the residents of his sanga (community) to receive money; yet in various parts of the world Buddhism has merged with local traditions and idolatry, reincarnation beliefs, Temple worship and monetary offerings to the priests have become part of "Buddhism."

Similarly with "Jesus" who was very much a would be Israelite Messiah and an anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist (proto-Communist) who considered himself to be an adherent of the Mosaic Law, as did those who survived him in Jerusalem; the religion which sprang forth from Jesus and spread through Europe, was however essentially a Hellenic construct based upon a rejection of his teachings and the worship of Jesus as an object of idolatry. In this respect there is essentially no difference between Johannine and Pauline Christianity, though certainly Paul "added" many of his own positions which were rejected by Jesus' followers in Jerusalem where he was accused of leading people away from Moses, an accusation which eventually led to his arrest and the end of his ministry. Further there is nothing in Celtic Christianity which suggests the rejection of Paulianity; on the contrary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRbuKDJhzU4
Video above: "Jesus vs. Paulianity." From the Channel Four documentary: "The Secret Family of Jesus"

Lux

[grandsecretary]

John the Baptist is known as The Forerunner of Christ.

John 1:23-30 "Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

The Orthodox Churches reject the Petrine succession of Rome.

[luciferhorus]

John the Baptist is known as The Forerunner of Christ.

OK so let us examine your statement: "Our Christianity stems from The Forerunner of Christ (ie., John the Baptist)."

Apart from John's initial remarks when he baptised Jesus, John was not a follower of Jesus, and when questioned he denied that he was the Elijah, the prophet who was prophesied to precede the Messiah, though Jesus himself claimed that John "was" in the role of the prophet Elijah. Further Jesus later refers to him as the "least in the kingdom of heaven."

Very little is know about John apart from him being a Judaic prophet. I really don't see what Judaism has to do with Celtic Christianity, since it appears to be based on a rejection of Judaism and Judaic law.

Since very little is known about John and much more is written about Jesus, would it not make more sense to claim "Our Christianity stems from Christ" rather than the lessor known and more obscure "forerunner?"

But of course to make such a claim would imply that you follow the teachings of Jesus, which of course were Mosaic and primitivist Communist; that would be a big problem for a religion business as I doubt they would be very popular with the Capitalists and there would simply be no profit in it.


The Orthodox Churches reject the Petrine succession of Rome.

There are today hundreds of denominations of Christianity and 10's of thousands of independent churches around the world, all claiming to represent the truth, and criticising aspects of the theology of competing Christian brand names in the Capitalist Jesus market place. That one competing brand of Christianity rejects aspects of other competing brands is unsurprising; in fact it is entirely normal in the Captialist religion business.

Lux

[grandsecretary]

Don't use your filthy propaganda to misquote and misuse a Bible quotation with me chum:

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist; nothwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

[luciferhorus]

Don't use your filthy propaganda to misquote and misuse a Bible quotation with me chum:

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist; nothwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

In other words, he was a great man in his lifetime, but the person who is "least" in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Babtist; in other words John was the "least in the kingdom of heaven." This is a derogatory remark.

The context of the passage is as follows.

" 2Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,

3And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

7And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

8But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.

9But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

10For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. "

According to the prophecy believed by many Israelites, prior to the coming of the Messiah, the prophet Elijah would return.


Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So we have Jesus claiming that John is Elijah the prophet.

However when John is asked if he is Elijah, he denies it

John 1:21 And they asked him (John the Baptist", What then? Art thou Elias (Elijah)? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.


It is reminiscent of Monty Python's life of Brian. The Judean revolutionaries apparently could not get their story correct to invoke the Messianic prophecies.

Lux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo

http://mimg.ugo.com/200909/11205/life-of-brian.jpg

.And the bezan shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...

For the demon shall bear a nine-bladed sword. Nine-bladed! Not two or five or seven, but nine, which he will wield on all wretched sinners, sinners just like you, sir, there, and the horns shall be on the head, with which he will...

Obadiah, his servants. There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi-- with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that, in that time, shall the third one...

The boring prophets from Monty Python's Life of Brian.

[grandsecretary]

Look chum I am not here to give you Bible study lessons although you deperately need them.

That quotation is a statement of transition, recognising John's greatness, not derogatory at all. It is also a translation. What do you suggest, that there are "degrees" in Heaven now?

On the one hand you say that Jesus was a Communist and then you selectively misquote a Bible quotation to try to imply that He has established a hierarchy in Heaven. As I said, you hear what you want to hear and learn nothing.

Everything reminds you of Monty Python except meetings of the Politburo which are much funnier even if they are much less use.

[luciferhorus]

Look chum I am not here to give you Bible study lessons although you deperately need them..

It seems to me that it is you GS who is claiming to misrepresent "Biblical morality," Christianity and who is accusing the UGLE Masons of discarding Judaeo-Christian morality despite the fact that your posts here show that you yourself do not represent this either, despite claiming to. It is simply evidence of your gross hypocrisy and your obvious lack of knowledge of the contents of the Bible.


That quotation is a statement of transition, recognising John's greatness, not derogatory at all. It is also a translation. What do you suggest, that there are "degrees" in Heaven now?

I am not "suggesting" anything of the sort; I merely offered quotations from the New Testament regarding Pythonesque contradictions regarding the claims of John and Jesus, and Jesus' remark that John was the least in the kingdom of heaven; you seem to consider yourself able to delve into the minds of these two primitive religious fanatics and conclude that Jesus' derogatory statement on John should be read according to your own misinterpretations.

On the one hand you say that Jesus was a Communist

Well he was certainly a primitivist proto-Communist by definition, since he was clearly, unlike yourself, an anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist, which is part of the modern definition of a Communist, however his beliefs also included rather primitive superstitions such as "evil spirits" being responsible for certain medical and mental health issues and an adherence to the Mosaic law which I and almost all other modern Communists entirely reject.

My description of Jesus as a proto-Communist and of yourself (as an alleged Christian priest) as a gross hypocrite are both descriptive; if it turns out that there is a secret Gospel where Jesus' claims that he was a supporter of the Capitalist system and the institution of private property, it will make absolutely no difference to me, as I have never claimed to be a "follower" of Jesus or indeed of anyone; indeed I am entirely critical of his primitivist Communism and his ancient brand of religious fanaticism.

and then you selectively misquote a Bible quotation to try to imply that He has established a hierarchy in Heaven.

I did not misquote anything; I merely quoted a text where Jesus allegedly stated that the "least" person in the Kingdom of Heaven would be "greater" than John. I don't suppose myself to be able to entirely see into the mind of a 2000 year old religious fanatic, whose alleged sayings are subject to some doubt; but certainly the text does suggest a "hierarchy of Heaven" and this is implied by the text, not by myself. My views on the afterlife are completely independent of those of a 2000 year old ancestor; I do however share the afterlife views of Jesus with regards to the categories of people whom he cursed to hell, including the Capitalists of his era, the religious hypocrites and those who would misrepresent him; however such descriptions seem to describe almost all Christians including, or I should say "especially" yourself.


As I said, you hear what you want to hear and learn nothing.

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2010/07/hypocrisy-meter.gif

Well this is exactly what you are guilty of yourself. In fact it is a common mental disease among Christians. A person who claims to be a "Christian" is by default claiming to be a follower of the teachings of Jesus, and yet when examined, I have yet to come accross a Christian in the the entirety of history, in print, in person and on the Internet who actually conforms to the teachings of Jesus. What I find most commonly are Capitalists, propertyists and gross hypocrites who simply project their own anti-Communist views onto the person of Jesus and then present him as a Capitalist deity.


Everything reminds you of Monty Python except meetings of the Politburo which are much funnier even if they are much less use.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cb/Flyingcircus_2.jpg/275px-Flyingcircus_2.jpg

The Monty Python team were not exactly the usual band of slapstick comedians and were mostly Oxford or Cambridge graduates; their "Life of Brian" is not simple arbitrary slapstick; it is entirely a religious satire in the tradition of Voltaire and other critics of religion. It portrays Israelite culture of 2000 years ago as a culture of religious fanaticism and primitive superstition which is simply laughable and almost incomprehensible to a modern educated, scientific person. Why anyone would wish to look back at such a primitive, superstitious society of religious fanatics and revere them is simply a testimony to the extent of human stupidity, which seems to have no limits when it comes to matters of religion.

Lux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI

[grandsecretary]

LH and his hirudine politics and religion according to Marx, Lenin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and now ... Monty Python's Flying Circus.

It figures ...

I say again, hopefully for the last time, you have not read OUR Bible or our Biblical texts and yet you have the audacity to misquote the King James Bible AT me. You are a very ignorant man, and I use the term "man" loosely.

[luciferhorus]

LH and his hirudine politics and religion according to Marx, Lenin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and now ... Monty Python's Flying Circus.

It figures ...

I say again, hopefully for the last time, you have not read OUR Bible or our Biblical texts and yet you have the audacity to misquote the King James Bible AT me. You are a very ignorant man, and I use the term "man" loosely.


Again this is more abuse, which is your usual form here. I try my best to repond to you and to expose your hypocrisy and ignorance only with reasoned arguments, but you are simply too addicted to the abuse, mockery and the debating tactics of a drunk football hooligan at a bus stop. You are simply incapable of intelligently defending your hyporcisy.

I did not misquote the Bible. With regards to "your Bible" and "your Biblical texts" I have no idea what you are referring to and I suspect neither do you.

The existence of the an Independent Celtic Christian Church in ancient Britain and Ireland is a well debunked (disproven) myth; the Celtic Christian Church was merely a term for the Roman Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland; it's Bible was the Catholic Bible.

If by "Biblical texts" you refer to the numerous writings of British and Irish Catholics in the many centuries since the Christianisation of these Islands, that is hardly "Biblical" and I am unaware of any of such texts where the authors claimed to have a higher authority that the words of their alleged God (Jesus).

The various cults today which claim to represent the Celtic Christian Church all appear to be almost indistinguishable from the various modern Independent Catholic cults and they all appear to have the Bible as their central text and "Jesus" as their object of idolatry, despite their total rejection of the teachings of Jesus; they are simply phenomenon of the Capitalist Jesus business and the cult of idolatry, hypocrisy and mockery.

Lux

[grandsecretary]

You do NOT respond. You are the worst kind of troll. You impinge yourself upon every thread and cut and paste your silly ideas irrespective of the subject.

Well I don't read it, I scroll past it and anyone with one iota of sense does exactly the same.

We have got the point. You are an anarchic communist and you recommend it as a workeable political system.

Now you will have time to find a suitable lunatic asylum!

[boots]

You do NOT respond. You are the worst kind of troll. You impinge yourself upon every thread and cut and paste your silly ideas irrespective of the subject.

Well I don't read it, I scroll past it and anyone with one iota of sense does exactly the same.

We have got the point. You are an anarchic communist and you recommend it as a workeable political system.

Now you will have time to find a suitable lunatic asylum!


Lux proved his point perfectly.

It is you who is the troll and a paid one at that, as you have admitted.


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[scaltura]

Lux proved his point perfectly.

It is you who is the troll and a paid one at that, as you have admitted.


.

lux sure did , as always

i love his style , he brings out the insults very inteligently

you never read any singular personal attacks from lux , ever

but when the chips are down for mr GS , this is the tactic he resorts to

masons use the old your mental , need an asylum line all the time

i've seen mr GS owned in here a few time by a few lol

he preaches that he is of irish decent , but didn't even know that ireland was made up of 32 counties he thought that it was 38 :D classic

convulsionsforteas's best mate :p

drunk football hooligan at a bus stop <near wet myself>

[convulsions for tea]

You do NOT respond. You are the worst kind of troll. You impinge yourself upon every thread and cut and paste your silly ideas irrespective of the subject.

Goat mounter:D

[91181]

GS wishes he had a head of hair like luciferhorus ..:p

[stompk]

http://i56.tinypic.com/11k8art.jpg

Goat's horns ripped out in Middleton sanctuary attack
Sidney the goat Sidney had lived at the sanctuary since his elderly owner went into care

A goat had to be destroyed after attackers wrenched his horns out and broke his leg in what the RSPCA said was an "horrific cruelty case".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11155545

Hmm, needed some props for another Masonic ritual?

[edelweiss pirate]

Goat riding is a polite metaphor for this:


http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9467/170pxmuseoarchnapoligsp.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/170pxmuseoarchnapoligsp.jpg/)


When they're not abusing kids they're abusing animals....

All part of the initiation into deeper and deeper levels of sin and exploitable culpability.


Masons are scum. The world will never be at peace while these depraved sons of Cain are here with us.

I say we start to hunt 'em. Gather up a hundred or so people in a provincial town and go around to the local lodge and chase the bastards out and into the nearest mental home.

[psquared]

I say we start to hunt 'em. Gather up a hundred or so people in a provincial town and go around to the local lodge and chase the bastards out and into the nearest mental home.

What's stopping you? (just out of curiousity) Every Masonic lodge has a sign out front which says when they meet. Not much "hunting" you have to do. Show up and start chasing them out if you want.

[edelweiss pirate]

What's stopping you? (just out of curiousity) Every Masonic lodge has a sign out front which says when they meet. Not much "hunting" you have to do. Show up and start chasing them out if you want.

It's only a matter of time buddy. Once the world at large knows what you're up to.

[psquared]

I am not challenging you. Just asking what's stopping you. If you want to go start a "fight" then you have the advantage..you know when and where to find them. What stops you?

[edelweiss pirate]

I am not challenging you. Just asking what's stopping you. If you want to go start a "fight" then you have the advantage..you know when and where to find them. What stops you?

Why are you repeating yourself?

Public ignorance is the only thing which is protecting you people from justice at the moment.

But in ten years you masons will be an endangered species.

Do you really think you will be quite so cocky and confident ten years from now?

I can't wait...bring it on.


hahahaaaaa!

[stompk]

I am not challenging you. Just asking what's stopping you. If you want to go start a "fight" then you have the advantage..you know when and where to find them. What stops you?

The Masons are already defeated because they must hold their operation in secret, and darkness, hiding.

Those living in the light have sooo much better lives, even with the world in downturn.

Not always having to look over your shoulder is a good thing..

Not having to patrol the forums to defend and deflect criticism is
rewarding.

But the lust for power and greed is tempting, and used at will by the masons, therefore,
not having to worry about the afterlife is priceless.

[psquared]

The Masons are already defeated because they must hold their operation in secret, and darkness, hiding.

Those living in the light have sooo much better lives, even with the world in downturn.

Not always having to look over your shoulder is a good thing..

Not having to patrol the forums to defend and deflect criticism is
rewarding.

But the lust for power and greed is tempting, and used at will by the masons, therefore,
not having to worry about the afterlife is priceless.

Again. How much of a secret is there when everything you call a secret youguys pull up YouTube videos for, you know the handshakes, and we advertise our meetings both when and where. The only thing that makes the Masons mysterious is the lore you guys create. Look, I am an American, maybe it is different here than there, but here...it is nothingas what you guys say it is. Here's my bet though, take it ...The Freemasons will be here in ten years.

I am not defending anything because there is nothing for me to defend. I am a Mason, I know what goes on. All your opinions are conjecture, you are free to have them. I just found the "threat" from Edelweiss kind of funny. Again..Man up and go down to your local lodge Edelweiss and run em out if you are serious. I doubt you are. I've seen your picture and you may wanna eat up and go lift some weights though. If you are planning to kick anyone's arse out of town there sir.

How secret and dark and hidden can we be if you guys already know EVERYTHING we are "up to"...it's laughable almost.

[edelweiss pirate]

Again. How much of a secret is there when everything you call a secret youguys pull up YouTube videos for, you know the handshakes, and we advertise our meetings both when and where. The only thing that makes the Masons mysterious is the lore you guys create. Look, I am an American, maybe it is different here than there, but here...it is nothingas what you guys say it is. Here's my bet though, take it ...The Freemasons will be here in ten years.

I am not defending anything because there is nothing for me to defend. I am a Mason, I know what goes on. All your opinions are conjecture, you are free to have them. I just found the "threat" from Edelweiss kind of funny. Again..Man up and go down to your local lodge Edelweiss and run em out if you are serious. I doubt you are. I've seen your picture and you may wanna eat up and go lift some weights though. If you are planning to kick anyone's arse out of town there sir.

How secret and dark and hidden can we be if you guys already know EVERYTHING we are "up to"...it's laughable almost.

Yep. You guys ought to be run out of town straight into the nuthouse.

Your many crimes are those of the mentally insane.


Do I really need to post the long list of news stories I found linking you masons with sex trafficking and child abuse?

It's gone beyond conjecture. I suggest you turn in your apron now because in a few years there will be nowhere left for you people to hide.

[psquared]

Yep. You guys ought to be run out of town straight into the nuthouse.

Your many crimes are those of the mentally insane.


Do I really need to post the long list of news stories I found linking you masons with sex trafficking and child abuse?

It's gone beyond conjecture. I suggest you turn in your apron now because in a few years there will be nowhere left for you people to hide.How can something you guys know so much about be the secret association you claim it is? Your paranoia is getting the best of you.

[luciferhorus]

Goat riding is a polite metaphor for this:


http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9467/170pxmuseoarchnapoligsp.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/170pxmuseoarchnapoligsp.jpg/)


When they're not abusing kids they're abusing animals....

All part of the initiation into deeper and deeper levels of sin and exploitable culpability.


Masons are scum. The world will never be at peace while these depraved sons of Cain are here with us.

I say we start to hunt 'em. Gather up a hundred or so people in a provincial town and go around to the local lodge and chase the bastards out and into the nearest mental home.

Witchhunting, Neomacarthyism, etc.

A question which needs to be asked is "why" we should resort to Masonic witch-hunting, throat cutting, burning at the stake etc?

http://www.manlyrash.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/inquisition.jpg

Freemasonry is ultimately a competing name brand in the Capitalist Christian market place, and unfortunately I suspect that many individuals who would agree with this anti-Masonic witch-hunting would merely be victims of religious hypnosis who are adherents of competing brands of Capitalist Christianity and other religious name brands.

Since Masonry is essentially a Capitalist cult of Capitalists, state terrorist / narco-terrorist / police state collaborators, usuryists (loan sharks) and assorted Capitalist dross, from a Communist persepctive, I don't really have a problem with a Masonic witch hunt, just so long as it aplies equally to all adherents of organised religion, including of course "all" proponents of the diseases of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc., and of course all ideological Capitalists, etc.

Since the proponents of the three pillars of human evil (1: Tyranny / government, 2: Religion & 3: Capitalism) have tended throughout history to be militant and genocidal, I think it only fair to incite an even greater militant response to such human diseases.

http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/Mccarthyism_1.jpg

Non militancy.

There are of course proponents of these three diseases who are not militant and who are pacifists. This is a rather different matter. As long as they keep to themselves and do not attempt to publicly evangelise for Capitalism, religion or tyranny, they are guilty only of "thought crime." We might then ask how we could tell if a person was a secret proponent of the ideologies of Capitalism, tyranny and religion? Well frankly, as long as they do not speak about such matters and keep such delusions to themselves, we would be unable to find evidence that their thought crimes had manifested into reality in the attempt to corrupt others; thus such individuals would probably be able to escape mass execution.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ARTmauldin.JPG

Thus if you are an evangelical, militant proponent of Capitalism, Tyranny or Religion, simply do not ever speak of such matters to anyone, and you will probably be safe from judgement.

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/aufziehen20der20inquisition.jpg

In order to avoid a New Inquisition, what I would suggest is this; that "only" those who can be proven to be overt proponents of religion, tyranny and Capitalism should be subject to mass executions; those who openly declare themselves to be militantly and genocidally opposed to these three cornerstones of human evil should be spared. There is simply no good reason to torture people into confessing "thought crimes" since all persons can be shown to confess under torture, thus negating all testimonies extracted under torture.

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2007/march/small/3-26-New-MCCarthyism.jpg

This will hopefully avoid a "witch-hunt" against individuals accused of thought crime when there is no evidence that they have ever been proponents of the diseases of religion, tyranny and Capitalism.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0904/mccarthyism-mccarthy-mccarthyism-socialism-demotivational-poster-1240313473.jpg

Since there are numerous overtly stated evangelical, militant, genocidal anti-communists, proponents of tyranny and religion, and the assorted dross of state terrorist collaborators, it should not be necessary to have to "manufacture" evidence against such vermin.

During the McCarthy trials there were numerous overtly stated and published Communists and Anarchists in America; the strange thing about the McCarthy hearings was that rather than investigate overtly stated Anarchists and members of the CPUSA (Communist Party USA), McCarthy and his investigators seemed to concentrate on individuals who were "not" overtly stated Communists and accused many innocent people. In the context of Masonry, in order to avoid such witchhunts, it is my view that only those persons who can be proven to have an association with Masonry, Christianity or any form of organised religion or tyranny (government) should be eradicated.

Lux

[edelweiss pirate]

You talk utter bollocks LH, Masonry has nothing to do with Christianity.

You have no idea what Christianity is..... Even the concept of burning and killing witches has nothing to do with Christianity but more to do with the kind of pagan bollocks you no doubt ascribe to. Namely the Visigoths originated the practice of burning witches.

And please, as a self confessed communist Illuminist in my eyes you are just as deranged and just as big a threat to people's lives as they.

Masonry is of Judaic origin and actually created your beloved Communism.

And I said nothing of burning or throat cutting. I suggested we chase them into the nearest nut house....

Wanna stop putting words in my mouth now?

Personally I think you are controlled opostion. I don't believe you are anti-mason at all, you are a plant, a disinfo agent, cointel-pro.

Exchanging one bunch of Illuminati nutters with another (ie: you).


May I ask you if you have ever spent time in a psychiatric instiution, it would explain a lot.

Cheers.

[luciferhorus]

You talk utter bollocks LH, Masonry has nothing to do with Christianity.



Masonry is an overtly stated Christian Capitalist cult. It is only at the lower levels where non Christians are admitted; the higher levels of Masonry are only open to those who are exclusively Christian; they essentially consider themselves to be the inheritors of the tradition of the Christian Knight's Templars, which is simply a competing brand name of Capitalist Christianity.

Of course the proponents of other brand names or "flavours" of Capitalist Christianity believe that Masonic Christianity does not accord with their various comepting Capitalist and anti-Communist interpretations of Jesus; that is entirely irrelevant to me, as I do not essentially discriminate between the various brands of Capitalist Christianity; they are all guilty of anti-Communism as far as I am concerned and equally worthy of death and hell; this is of course anyway the sentance placed on them by their alleged Communist mentor the Jesus of the Gospels.

Masonry is of Judaic origin and actually created your beloved Communism.

Well I think that it would be more accurate to say that Masonry is a form of Capitalism which utilises Judaeo-Christian mythology. It could also be argued that Jesus was a product of Judaism, since he was clearly not a Christian and rather a proponent of the Judaic (Mosaic) religion; further he was certainly an anti-monetarist and anti-propertyist (i.e., a Communist), though personally I entirely reject his mix of primitive Communism and Mosaic religion.

With regards to "Masonry" creating Communism; anti-propertyism and anti-Capitalism predate the 18th century foundation of modern Masonry, which is a Capitalist cult founded by a few drunks in a pub which claims to have a legacy going back beyond the Christian Knight's Templars (who were loan sharks and proto-anti-Communists) to the human and animal sacrifice cultism of Solomon's Temple cult, which has absolutely nothing to do with Communism; on the contrary.

There is a modern phenomenon, where Christians and assorted Capitalists tend to accuse the modern Masons of being Communists when there is not a shred of evidence for this in the 21st century; on the contrary the economic ideology of Masons seems little different to that of the Christian Capitalists and anti-Communists. Certainly there have been Masons in the past, particularly in the 19th century who have been Communists, but this was by no means typical, since there were many members of the artistocracy and the Capitalist establishment who were also Masons, however any past attempt by the Communists to infiltrate Masonry appears in the 21st century not to have been successful.

The "witch-hunting" variety of Christian Capitalists and anti-Communists tend to have a "McCarthyist" mindset where they falsely accuse many individuals whom they do not agree with of being "Communists," despite evidence to the contrary. Because I am an overtly stated ideological Communist myself, I cannot be falsely accused of being a Communist, and so the Christian hypocrites (Capitalists) lose interest and perfer instead to espouse widl conspiracy theories and false accusations against those who are not Communists; it is just the Christian tradition really.

the concept of burning and killing witches has nothing to do with Christianity but more to do with the kind of pagan bollocks you no doubt ascribe to. Namely the Visigoths originated the practice of burning witches.

The alleged burning of witches by Visigoth (i.e., Germanic) tribes is not quite so straightforward. See

http://www.suppressedhistories.net/secret_history/kings_witches.html

That some pre-Christian Germanic kings had less tolerance than others for female spiritualists, does seem to be the case, however even if one can establish that the ancient Israelites or the that some later Germanic tribes had an intolerance towards "Witches" it does not then follow, as you have stated that "killing witches has nothing to do with Christianity;" such a statement being entirely untrue.

And I said nothing of burning or throat cutting. I suggested we chase them into the nearest nut house....

Locking people up in psychiatric institutions for the crime of "religion" is probably only useful for those who are the innocent "victims" of religious hypnosis and who are suffering from religous delusions; however this assumes that the perpetrators of the disease of organised religion are also "innocent victims" and I do not find this to be case. Religion is a Capitalist business which has the highest profit margin of any business (since they are in the business of selling "no-thing"); the propagation of Capitalism is not generally considered a mental illness, despite the obvious criminal insanity of many perpetrators.

Lux

[psquared]

Again, and I am asking this because I have never been to Europe and even GS has commented on the differences between American Masonry and the Masonry in Europe, If the fraternity is so secretive then how do you use allthe YouTube videos as reference for proof? How are all the "secrets" easily found?

I am sincerely asking because it begs the question..if the Freemasons are this highly secretive operation...how have their secrets escaped so easily?

I do not see much of the conspiracy theorists, or masonic hatred here in the US. If we were secretive do you not think that it would be a good thing to just allow anyone who asks to join? Wouldn't the process for joining be a little more selective than that? Or.....is all the stuff on YouTube actually masonic disinformation purposely designed to let you THINK you know the secrets when in fact it is far from that?

It just makes no sense to me that an operation that "intelligent" would be that easy to crack.

Any explanations for that?

[grandsecretary]

Masonry is an overtly stated Christian Capitalist cult.

No it is not. As has been explained to you, the religion that is Free Masonrie is pre-Davidic. That means that it is pre-Christian.

Because your postings are based upon an entirely false hypothesis your posts are not worth reading.

Furthermore, the new Moderns system of Freemasonry is no longer even religious, let alone a religion.

A false hypothesis which you will keep on repeating because its is propaganda that suits your purposes, which is the propaganda of the crazy left, and destined to failure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/8374940.stm

"I am not one of those crazy lefties" 3:08

Slavoj Zizek, Ph.D., is a senior researcher at the Institute of Sociology, University of Ljubljana, Slovenia, and a visiting professor at a number of American Universities (Columbia, Princeton, New School for Social Research, New York University, University of Michigan). He obtained his Ph.D. in Philosophy in Ljubljana studying Psychoanalysis. He also studied at the University of Paris. Slavoj Zizek is a cultural critic and philosopher who is internationally known for his innovative interpretations of Jacques Lacan. Slavoj Zizek is admired as a true 'manic excessive' and has been called the 'Elvis Presley' of philosophy. He is Author of The Indivisible Remainder; The Sublime Object of Ideology; The Metastases of Enjoyment; Looking Awry: Jacques Lacan through Popular Culture; The Plague of Fantasies and The Ticklish Subject.

[luciferhorus]

No it is not. As has been explained to you, the religion that is Free Masonrie is pre-Davidic. That means that it is pre-Christian.

Because your postings are based upon an entirely false hypothesis your posts are not worth reading.



David was a 9th century BCE Israelite king and the successor of Solomon; thus the term pre-Davidic refers to "older than 3000 years ago."

When you refer to "Free Masonrie" you are referring to a New Religious Movement (NRM) which was founded by yourself and an unknown number of other persons in the 21st century, and when I refer to "Freemasonry" I refer to an organisation which was founded by a few drunks in a London drinking tavern in the 18th century; neither of these Capitalist religious cults are "pre-Davidic."

It is very common for the founders of new religious movements to claim an ancient heritage; almost all new Capitalist Christian cults of the "Jesus Business" similarly claim an ancient heritage back to the anti-Capitalist Israelite Jesus, who lived 2000 years ago. This is not exclusive to Christianity, since many modern Neowiccan, Neopagan and Neo-Druidic cults make similar claims, despite being entirely modern syncretic (a mixture of various sources) constructions.

I of course as a Communist and could equally also claim an ancient heritage back to the times prior to the establishment of slave societies and Capitalism, but I do not do this, as I prefer to point to modern mentors such as Marx, Kropotkin and Bakunin.

It is entirely the sign of a regressive, superstitious and primitive mind to point back to some ancient, savage period of human history and to claim that "this is ancient, so it must be good." Such individuals should be sent out to live with some tribe of cannibals and human sacrifice cultists in Papua New Ginuea who are similarly lost in the romanticisation of an ancient, pre-scientific and more savage world.

Lux

[grandsecretary]

When you refer to "Free Masonrie" you are referring to a New Religious Movement (NRM) which was founded by yourself and an unknown number of other persons in the 21st century, and when I refer to "Freemasonry" I refer to an organisation which was founded by a few drunks in a London drinking tavern in the 18th century; neither of these Capitalist religious cults are "pre-Davidic."


Your egotistical hypotheses are not fact upon which any rational human being may make a judgement or form an opinion worth diddly squat. Even your own Communism is outdated and termed "crazy left". And I agree with this analysis. A dead parrot, a term which I know you will recognise.

The Masonic Religion did not cease to be practised just because The Grand Lodge at York was forced underground in England in the early 19th century. It continued underground here in England (and in Ireland) and in exile in Paris and Vienna.

I did not "found" anything. I did assist others in the revival of the governing body in England in 2005 whose religion is pre-Davidic. I am telling you, not asking you.

The Moderns system is not a religion as such. To be fair, it has never claimed to be so. It has, however, claimed to be religious, but I and many of its own members challenge that assertion.

[luciferhorus]

Totally wrong, as usual. That is why what you say is nonsense.

http://feministing.com/imageStorage/dunce.gif

Contradiction is a poor substitute for argument, and contradiction and abuse seems to be all you are a capable of.

I did not "found" anything. I did assist in the revival of the governing body in England in 2005 whose religion is pre-Davidic. I am telling you, not asking you

Anyone can make a "claim." For example, you can "claim" to be the representive of authentic ancient Druidry (for which evidence indicates that they appear to have been human sacrifice cultists and cannibals http://www.hotspotsz.com/Druids_Committed_Human_Sacrifice_Cannibalism_(Arti cle-19352).html), which incidentally is a claim you have made here, however a "claim" does not constitute a historical argument or evidence; you could also claim to be the king of England or to be the Second Coming (the Capitalist version) of Christ, and I am quite sure that you could find a few drunks in a pub to accept that.

which is the propaganda of the crazy left,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cU8Y3Ct3p8M/TCzMApQwC2I/AAAAAAAAA7Y/cXVH94ZsTHc/s1600/Hypocrisy+Meter+03-21-07.png

Well since you claim to be an ordained Christian priest (albeit a priest who claims he does not represent Christ , whatever that means in your own private language), and you are an overtly stated anti-Communist, it seems to me that you are a classic representative of the "crazy (insane) and hypocritical Christian "political right," who by default (from the moment you claim to be a Christian) claims to represent a 2000 year old crazy anti-propertyist, anti-Capitalist (i.e., proto-Communist) religious fanatic whose religion appears not to have been Christianity but rather Mosaic Judiasm and adherence to the primitive and savage laws of Moses.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/8/16/18/7436b833a60c7e48a91574ad154befa5.jpg

A major difference between the Gay, black Jewish KKK and the Capitalist, propertyist, anti-Communist Christians, is that the former are simply using satire to make a political point, whereas the anti-Communist Christians who are not simply ignorant victims of religious hypnosis and indoctrination are simply guilty of gross and disgusting hypocrisy.



Lux

[grandsecretary]

As I said, I am telling you not asking you and therefore there is no debate. I gave up with you months ago. I have come to the conclusion that you were born without a pair of ears.

I know about my religion. You simply use poor guesswork and invention in order to support your "crazy" view of the world.

That is the situation.

[QUOTE]Communism will be finished in this country within five or 10 years. Don't assess the current development as an isolated one. The CPI-M has faced an ideological crisis for several years. It passed through different stages and now it is in its final stage. People have rejected communism in almost all countries. Even in China, communism exists only in name. Such a situation will come in India also. Eminent Marxist historian M G S Narayanan, former head of the Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR)


Beyond some very basic ideas, there has never been a consensus about communism, nor a fixed body of doctrine that has underpinned it. Historically it has been a concept in a constant state of redefinition, used and interpreted in a diversity of ways. Even the appropriation of the term by Soviet-style regimes was but one definition of what communism could mean. It would now seem to have exhausted the possibilities for further renewal. The remaining standard-bearers for communism in Europe reflect this eclectic heritage. So-called unreconstructed Stalinists remain as a dying breed. Where communist parties remain they have tended to downplay their Marxist-Leninist credentials and have embraced the broader agendas of the feminist, ecological, and antiglobalization movements. It has been their erstwhile opponents on the dissident Far Left, anarchist communists, and "Trotskyites" who have retained their revolutionary purity on their own terms. All these are vestiges of the past. Whether a new form of thought that calls itself "communist" can ever emerge in Europe remains an unknown. (SOURCE: Communism in Europe - The End Of Communism "http://science.jrank.org/pages/8763/Communism-in-Europe-End-Communism.html)

[luciferhorus]

As I said, I am telling you not asking you and therefore there is no debate.

I know about my religion. You simply use poor guesswork and invention in order to support your "crazy" view of the world.

That is the situation.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1609572084.01._SX220_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Quoting anti-Communist passages is simply a "distraction fallacy" which has nothing to do with the arguments I have presented. Further it simply is a confirmation of my allegation of your gross and disgusting hypocrisy as an alleged Christian priest, who by default claims to represent an historical anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist (i.e., Jesus), despite your admission of hypocrisy in you claim that you are a Christian who does not represent Christ (i.e., Jesus) which is essentially what Christianity represents; indeed I have yet to come across any Christians who actually represent anything other than such hypocrisy and a misrepresentation of their alleged proto-Communist mentor.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7kzXdZhz5YI/SwDS7eK_XfI/AAAAAAAAF2Y/s--EoJm0Nik/s1600/mcdonalds-jesus.jpg

Lux

Revolution Not Reform

Reforms within the capitalist system cannot put an end to oppression and exploitation. Capitalism must be overthrown.
The structures of the present government – parliaments, the army, the police and the judiciary – cannot be taken over and used by the working class. They grew up under capitalism and are designed to protect the ruling class against workers.
We do not support candidates of capitalist parties like the Democrats or the Republicans in the USA, the Liberals or the Tories in Canada, or the Liberals in Australia.
The struggle for socialism is part of a worldwide struggle. We campaign for solidarity with workers in other countries. We oppose everything that turns the workers of one country against those of another country.
We oppose imperialism and support all genuine national liberation movements. We oppose all immigration controls and policies which divide workers of different countries.
http://hiphappy.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/marx-capitalism-collapse/

[grandsecretary]

You see? Waste of energy.

[ein_lite]

Aleister Crowley. Note the symbol on his hat and see chart below.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9081/crowleymason.jpg


http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9352/masonmap.jpg

Quoting a cristian website (that doesnt seem to exist) probably isnt the best source (and neither is mine bleow, lol)

Well Crowley is a little weird ... he defiantly initially thought he was a mason but they also initially wouldn't let him into the lodge after he tricked his way into getting membership. Then he snuck into that lodge and basically kicked everyone else out .. that was the early years :-)
(source, i think it was this one, might be another on you tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6R34aQem9U )

I'd love to hear the masons in this threads feelings/thoughts about Crowley...

[ein_lite]

You see? Waste of energy.

sigh im actually going to agree with a grand master of a lodge (they would have the bathroom cleaners at exxon imprisoned).. whats become of me?

So what do you think of crowley as a man, magician and perceived representative of masons?

[sofa king]

sigh im actually going to agree with a grand master of a lodge (they would have the bathroom cleaners at exxon imprisoned).. whats become of me?

So what do you think of crowley as a man, magician and perceived representative of masons?



My understanding* of Crowley's masonic career is that he joined a clandestine group in Mexico that made him a 33rd degree mason on sight. This was a small clandestine group pretty much unrecognized by any other lodge in the world.

He grew bored of it and left. From there he joind the OTO and, via a coup d'etat, put himself in charge of the group and rewrote most of their rituals and laws.

[ein_lite]

My understanding* of Crowley's masonic career is that he joined a clandestine group in Mexico that made him a 33rd degree mason on sight. This was a small clandestine group pretty much unrecognized by any other lodge in the world.

He grew bored of it and left. From there he joind the OTO and, via a coup d'etat, put himself in charge of the group and rewrote most of their rituals and laws.

Thanks .. yea that was my understanding except i thought the OTO was a masonic establishment?

I guess im wrong.....

edit: yea i am wrong, i guess this is one of the problems (for you guys):

mason and all secret/magik organisations have become synonymous with masonry?

No thoughts on him as a magician or as a perceived representative of your organisation?

[grandsecretary]

The Ordo Templis Orientalis IS Masonic in character.

It is not however, one of those Masonic systems that is "recognised" by the Moderns system which explains sofa king's posting with his use of the word "clandestine". The OTO was NOT clandestine within the proper meaning of the word.

Crowley was also very much a member of The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn, which IS currently closely linked with the Society of Rosicrucians in England, which is itself closely linked with The United Grand Lodge of England.

Crowley's son is a Freemason, a member of the Grande Loge de France, as his father was before him. From time to time, the Grande Loge de France was recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Moderns Grand Lodges of America.

Sometimes it is convenient to deny links with Alesteir Crowley when they do exist because Aleister Crowley became an embarrassment.

Wheels within wheels.

[ein_lite]

The Ordo Templis Orientalis IS Masonic in character.

It is not however, one of those Masonic systems that is "recognised" by the Moderns system which explains sofa king's posting with his use of the word "clandestine". The OTO was NOT clandestine within the proper meaning of the word.

Crowley was also very much a member of The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn, which IS currently closely linked with the Society of Rosicrucians in England, which is itself closely linked with The United Grand Lodge of England.

Crowley's son is a Freemason, a member of the Grande Loge de France, as his father was before him. From time to time, the Grande Loge de France was recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Moderns Grand Lodges of America.

Sometimes it is convenient to deny links with Alesteir Crowley when they do exist because Aleister Crowley became an embarrassment.

Wheels within wheels.

Thanks for your continued directness and honesty .... how much Magik then is involved in the majority of masonic lodges and at what levels, from your understanding?

[grandsecretary]

Magick plays a significant part in the activities of the "colleges" of the Society of Rosicrucians and in The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. It plays virtually no part in Craft Freemasonry with the exception of two particular Moderns lodges of research.

A very significant proportion of the members of The United Grand Lodge of England are also members of the Society of Rosiucrucians although I must place a rider on this statement. Most of them join for the wrong reasons (networking for promotion).

A small number of "serious" and senior Rosicrucians go on to join The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

[ein_lite]

Magick plays a significant part in the activities of the "colleges" of the Society of Rosicrucians and in The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

A very significant proportion of the members of The United Grand Lodge of England are also members of the Society of Rosiucrucians although I must place a rider on this statement. Most of them join for the wrong reasons (networking for promotion).

A small number of "serious" and senior Rosicrucians go on to join The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

Thanks again.

So your saying that Magik is not practised in your lodge but is in other lodges, orders and organisations?

Im not trying to bait you .... genuinely interested ..

EDIT: so i guess your similar to the BUFFALO's?

[grandsecretary]

Not practiced in our Grand Lodge and not practiced in the lodges of the Moderns either.

It is studied in the Rosicrucians and in The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn. In England, ALL of their members are also Freemasons under the jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England.

The Royal Antedeluvian Order of the Buffaloes is what is known as "Quasi-Masonic".

It's structure is loosely masonic in character founded in 1822 at The Harp Tavern, Great Russell Street near Drury Lane Theatre, London. It was created by stage hands and theatre technicians who had been denied membership of Freemasonry which was very popular with actors of the day. It is very much a drinking club with an element of insurance folded in. A bit like the Ancient Order of Foresters. My uncle was a very keen "Buff".

[sofa king]

The Ordo Templis Orientalis IS Masonic in character.

It is not however, one of those Masonic systems that is "recognised" by the Moderns system which explains sofa king's posting with his use of the word "clandestine". The OTO was NOT clandestine within the proper meaning of the word.

Crowley was also very much a member of The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn, which IS currently closely linked with the Society of Rosicrucians in England, which is itself closely linked with The United Grand Lodge of England.

Crowley's son is a Freemason, a member of the Grande Loge de France, as his father was before him. From time to time, the Grande Loge de France was recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Moderns Grand Lodges of America.

Sometimes it is convenient to deny links with Alesteir Crowley when they do exist because Aleister Crowley became an embarrassment.

Wheels within wheels.

Peter, prior to Crowley petitioning the lodge in France, he was in Mexico City where he was given the 33rd degree by some guy claiming to be the Duke of Sedonia.

This lodge was unrecognized by both the UGLE system and the Grand Orient system. Crowley had to petition the lodge in France for admittance. So he was initiated into 2 separate masonic bodies prior to leaving for the OTO.


Ein Lite, the OTO is masonic-like, but it is NOT masonic and not affiliated with any masonic body in the world. They are autonomous.

[ein_lite]

Thanks to you both!

You might want to add that to your sigs .. might save you some bother in the long run :-)

EDIT: Actually if you don't mind, how come you don't practise Magik?

[grandsecretary]

Peter, prior to Crowley petitioning the lodge in France, he was in Mexico City where he was given the 33rd degree by some guy claiming to be the Duke of Sedonia.

This lodge was unrecognized by both the UGLE system and the Grand Orient system. Crowley had to petition the lodge in France for admittance. So he was initiated into 2 separate masonic bodies prior to leaving for the OTO.


Ein Lite, the OTO is masonic-like, but it is NOT masonic and not affiliated with any masonic body in the world. They are autonomous.

That is why I said that it was "Masonic in character".

[grandsecretary]

Thanks to you both!

You might want to add that to your sigs .. might save you some bother in the long run :-)

EDIT: Actually if you don't mind, how come you don't practise Magik?

Why should we?

[ein_lite]

Why should we?

Because the general perception of secret societies is that they have rituals/magik and especially in relation to masons.

As you stated earlier there is a lot of associations between magik and the umbrella (by which i mean the general term of masonic) of your organisation:



It is studied in the Rosicrucians and in The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn. In England, ALL of their members are also Freemasons under the jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England.



As you can see that some masonic orders have links to magik and in fact they seem somewhat mutually inclusive (from your quote above) therefore from a laymans perspective masonry = magik .... thus to me at least i associate magik and masons ... so i just wandered why you don't practise it?

Just an idle question from an inquisitive mind ....

[sofa king]

EDIT: Actually if you don't mind, how come you don't practise Magik?


No interest to do so. Not knocking it. SOme people are interested, but there is nothing in it for me.

[sofa king]

As you can see that some masonic orders have links to magik and in fact they seem somewhat mutually inclusive (from your quote above) therefore from a laymans perspective masonry = magik .... thus to me at least i associate magik and masons ... so i just wandered why you don't practise it?

Just an idle question from an inquisitive mind ....



Just to clarify, the OTO is not a masonic body in any way. It is also frowned on for masons to join that order. At least in North America it is frowned on, I'm not sure how Masonry in the UK view it.

[grandsecretary]

Because the general perception of secret societies is that they have rituals/magik and especially in relation to masons.

As you stated earlier there is a lot of associations between magik and the umbrella (by which i mean the general term of masonic) of your organisation:



As you can see that some masonic orders have links to magik and in fact they seem somewhat mutually inclusive (from your quote above) therefore from a laymans perspective masonry = magik .... thus to me at least i associate magik and masons ... so i just wandered why you don't practise it?

Just an idle question from an inquisitive mind ....

Well we don't practice it because we have never had any connection with the Rosicrucians or The Golden Dawn or anything like them.

The Moderns can answer for themselves.

[grandsecretary]

Just to clarify, the OTO is not a masonic body in any way. It is also frowned on for masons to join that order. At least in North America it is frowned on, I'm not sure how Masonry in the UK view it.

You say that it is not a masonic body but they do. A frown is hardly a disincentive.

[kadosh]

OTO and Masonry - http://oto-usa.org/init.html - O.T.O. membership does not, of itself, confer any status in Freemasonry. Nearly one hundred years ago, when O.T.O. was established in Germany, it was closely allied to several rites of European Freemasonry. However, in 1918, Aleister Crowley determined it appropriate for O.T.O. to assert its own unique identity as an independent system. At that time, while retaining the use of certain convenient customs and terminology used in early Freemasonry, Crowley revised the O.T.O. rituals, insignia and modes of recognition to avoid infringing upon the legitimate privileges of the established and recognized authorities of modern Freemasonry, and also to specifically reflect the teachings of Thelema. Crowley's O.T.O. has not claimed to "make Masons" since that time. Further revisions along similar lines have been implemented in more recent years.

Despite some similarities between names and titles used within O.T.O. and the names and titles used in Masonry, various churches, and other organizations, conferral of any degree, rank, office, or status within O.T.O. does not constitute conferral of any degree, rank, office, or status in any other active organization, Masonic, religious, or otherwise; any more than status as the captain of a ship equates to status as the captain of a football team.

[kadosh]

.... From time to time, the Grande Loge de France was recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Moderns Grand Lodges of America.
The UGLE has never recognised the Grand Lodge of France (GLdeF), although some US GLs did once. Factual paper on the matter - http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/bernheim10.html

[1776]

I call Bullshit that this is seen many times before. I've been researching Masons for years, and until a few days ago, I had never seen this before. Wait till I make my youtube video on this.

Some more "fun" Masonic Gaymes

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Cowbells hanging from your balls? Grand Poobah
prodding them?

No wonder they keep their rituals secret.

I'm impressed the see a member of UGLE posting
here. Must have hit a nerve. Good, you Satanist
F$%#

How's the Queen, head of all Satanism?

You still actively post on the forums?


Thanks for the laugh :) GS is just another Free-Mason in denial, no worries!


Peace&Love
God bless

[kadosh]

.... Crowley's son is a Freemason, a member of the Grande Loge de France, as his father was before him. From time to time, the Grande Loge de France was recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England and the Moderns Grand Lodges of America.

Sometimes it is convenient to deny links with Alesteir Crowley when they do exist because Aleister Crowley became an embarrassment.

Wheels within wheels.
Fact: Shortly after his Mexican initiation, Crowley began to discuss Freemasonry with ’some broken-down gambler or sportinghouse tout' and he was refused recognition based on a difference in the grip. Crowley reacted with a 'measureless contempt for the whole mummery'. However, Crowley, who was a skilled amateur of chess and had planned a career in diplomacy, persisted and tried another gambit while he was resident in Paris in 1904 in his bid for masonic regularity. He petitioned Anglo-Saxon Lodge No. 343, a lodge chartered in 1899 by the Grande Loge de France, a body unrecognized by the United Grand Lodge of England, on 29 June 1904. - http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/crowley.html

[ein_lite]

OTO and Masonry - http://oto-usa.org/init.html - O.T.O. membership does not, of itself, confer any status in Freemasonry. Nearly one hundred years ago, when O.T.O. was established in Germany, it was closely allied to several rites of European Freemasonry. However, in 1918, Aleister Crowley determined it appropriate for O.T.O. to assert its own unique identity as an independent system. At that time, while retaining the use of certain convenient customs and terminology used in early Freemasonry, Crowley revised the O.T.O. rituals, insignia and modes of recognition to avoid infringing upon the legitimate privileges of the established and recognized authorities of modern Freemasonry, and also to specifically reflect the teachings of Thelema. Crowley's O.T.O. has not claimed to "make Masons" since that time. Further revisions along similar lines have been implemented in more recent years.

Despite some similarities between names and titles used within O.T.O. and the names and titles used in Masonry, various churches, and other organizations, conferral of any degree, rank, office, or status within O.T.O. does not constitute conferral of any degree, rank, office, or status in any other active organization, Masonic, religious, or otherwise; any more than status as the captain of a ship equates to status as the captain of a football team.


Great link! :

The First, or Hermit, Triad =
VIII° Perfect Pontiff of the Illuminati
Epopt of the Illuminati

[grandsecretary]

The UGLE has never recognised the Grand Lodge of France (GLdeF), although some US GLs did once. Factual paper on the matter - http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/bernheim10.html

This article by Bernheim is grossly inaccurate and designed to deceive in favour of the UGLE.

Here is an example:

The earliest Grand Lodge of France was founded in 1728 or 1729

Not true.

You can see from the letter sent to The Grand Lodge of France from The Grand Lodge of York's Earl of Drinkwater that the Grand Lodge of France enjoyed prior existence, and indeed the Grand Lodge recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England (The Grand Orient of France) incorporated The Grand Lodge of France. Its Freemasons were therefore "recognised" by The United Grand lodge of England as an integral part of the GOdF.

The current Grande Lodge of France marks the 20th century separation of both of these organisations back to their individual original entities.

Freemasonry was introduced into France in 1720 by Lord Derwentwater and the English. The Grand Masters who succeeded him were Lord d'Arnold-Esler and the Duc d'Autin, the Comte de Clermont-Tonnerre and the Duc d'Orleans.

In 1736 there were still only four lodges in Paris; (SOURCE: Dictionnaire de la Conversation," art. Franc-Maconnerie, vol. xxviii., p. 136.)

The first lodges in France were under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge at York, as a result of the enforced exile of Lord Derwentwater, who's brother had been hung at Tyburn for his Jacobite activities against Hanoverian Dynastic ambitions.

We must be very careful not to give out false information as "the true history" kadosh, when it is in fact biased, part history and part political propaganda un bahlf of the Moderns system.

The Grand Lodge of All England remains in amity with La Grande Loge de France with its over 400 lodges and shared history.

[grandsecretary]

You still actively post on the forums?


Thanks for the laugh :) GS is just another Free-Mason in denial, no worries!


Peace&Love
God bless

In denial of what pray? Be specific and I will answer your questions and criticisms.

[luciferhorus]

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On Ragging, Hazing & Fagging

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"Ragging (From Wikipedia)

Ragging is a form of abuse on newcomers to educational institutions in India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. It is similar to the American phenomenon known as hazing. Currently, Sri Lanka is said to be its worst affected country in the world.

'Ragging' means the doing of any act which causes, or is likely to cause any physical, psychological or physiological harm, apprehension, shame or embarrassment to a student, and includes

Teasing or abusing or playing practical joke on, or causing hurt to any student. or
Asking any student to do any act, or perform any thing, which he/she would not, in the ordinary course, be willing to do or perform.

Hazing

In some continental European languages, terms with a "christening" theme or etymology are preferred (e.g. baptême in French, doop in Dutch in Flanders) or variations on a theme of naïveté and the rite of passage such as a derivation from a term for freshman (e.g. bizutage in French, ontgroening "de-green[horn]ing" in Dutch) or a combination of both, such as in the Finnish mopokaste (literally "moped baptism", "moped" being the nickname for freshmen, stemming from the concept that they would be barred from riding a full motorcycle by their age). In Swedish, the term used is "nollning", literally "zeroing". In Spain, the term is "novatada" from "novato" meaning newcomer and in Portugal "praxe", which literally means "habit". In the Italian military, instead, the term used was nonnismo, from nonno (literally "grandfather"), a jargon term used for the soldiers who had already served for most of their draft period. A similar equivalent term exists in the Russian military, where a hazing phenomenon knowing as Dedovshchina exists, meaning roughly "grandfather" or the slang term "gramps" (referring to the senior corps of soldiers in their final year of conscription).

Often most or all of the endurance, or at least the more serious ordeal, is concentrated in an orgiastic collective session, which may be called hell night, or prolonged to a hell week and/or retreat or camp, sometimes again at the pledge's[1] birthday (e.g. by birthday spanking), but some traditions keep terrorizing pledges over a long period, resembling fagging. Hazing is often used as a method to seemingly promote group loyalty and camaraderie through shared suffering (male bonding in fraternities), either with fellow participants, past participants or both.

Fagging

Fagging was a traditional educational practice in British boarding private schools (nearly all "public schools" in the English sense) and also many other boarding schools, whereby younger pupils were required to some extent to act as personal servants to the most senior boys. While domestic servants were common in family households, the custom reflected household task distribution and taught pupils about service from both ends of the relationship. Under school rules, fagging might entail harsh discipline and corporal punishment when those were standard practices. The practice of personal fagging faded away during the 1970s and 1980s, but to some degree has been maintained in former colonies or has been replaced by systems which require junior boys to do tasks for the benefit of the general school community. In England, the word "fag" became slang for a wearisome chore. It was also a punishment for younger children."

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Masonic Initiation.

Lucifer

The term "fag" has also come to be used as a derogatory term for gay men; this is partly because of the homosexual activities which were common to the British private school system; a "fag" was not merely a submissive labour slave, but also often considered a "sex slave."

In the modern world, many of the individuals who joined Greek college fraternities, Masonic style cults or similar gangs of organised Capitalists and who have been subjected to forms of Ragging, Hazing and Fagging, have themselves been the product of the modern educational system, and thus on hindsight, many of such individuals, who have passed through such hazing appear to have attempted to justify their cults by using the language of philosophers, theologians and of modern academia.

Certainly the ancient mystery cults of Egypt, Rome, Greece, Persia and other regions did have "initiation" rites, however the historian of religion can say very little about them, as there are very few written sources which to rely on; they were by their nature, mysterious. Thus modern cults which claim to be part of the ancient tradition of "initiation into the mysteries" are free to make up just about any nonsense they like and attribute it to the ancient world; many of their rituals when examined appear to be anachronisms (taken out of historical context; lit. against chronology), such as the Shriner practice of applying electrical shocks to genitalia; this is unlikely to have occurred in ancient mystery cultism, though certainly sexual initiation and the use of male and female sex priests and priestesses (often referred to as cult prostitutes) is widely reported.

Respectability & Historical Authenticity.

It is a phenomenon of the savage, primitive and regressive mind to look back into the past and claim that because something is "ancient" that it must therefore be "good" or "authentic (authorised)," as if authorised by the gods of our savage past.

It seems to me that in an effort to reclaim some kind of respectability, that among the various cultists, including the Masons who have been subjected to forms of "ragging," that there is attempt to portray the embarrassing and "ragging" elements of cult initiation as being rather unimportant, and that within the cult is some kind of valuable information which the cultist must go through a ragging process to attain. This "information" is usually kept secret, though whenever such aspects are revealed by apostate cultists, such "secret knowledge" always seems to me to be rather silly and to have nothing to do with "knowledge."


The Appeal to Ancient Authority

Of course the term "authority" begs the question "authorised by whom?" however our ancestors lived in a rather superstitious and less scientific world where religious authorities were highly respected. Thus we have the Grand Secretary here who makes all sorts of appeals to ancient authority and historical authenticity.

For example the Grand Secretary claims that his cult (founded in 2005) is pre-Davidic (prior to the 9th century BCE); he offers no evidence of this of course, however such a claim is a much easier claim to make than his claim to be an ordained Christian priest (the appeal to the authority of Jesus, whose edicts he is openly hostile towards), since the further back we go into pre-history, the less we can be historically certain of, and thus anyone can make such pompous claims, such as the the various US college fraternities whose drunken bullying and hazing claims to be a continuation of the legacy of the Greek mysteries, which we also know very little about. Similarly the Grand Secretary claims that his cult is also of Druidic origin (we also know very little about the Druids, but it seems to be the case that human sacrifice and cannibalism was practised), and that the European Druids worshipped a Phoenecian (present day Lebanon) deity named Moloch (for which there is no historical evidence of the worship of this deity among Druids) and that his cult is also part of the legacy of the Celtic brand of Catholicism.

This is all rather common in religious cultism, to make grand and pompous appeals to ancient and relatively unknown authorities and traditions; however the resulting mish-mash of theologies, ideas, deities and rituals seems always a modern invention and the definition of an Anachronism.

Lux

[edelweiss pirate]

Masonry is an overtly stated Christian Capitalist cult. It is only at the lower levels where non Christians are admitted; the higher levels of Masonry are only open to those who are exclusively Christian; they essentially consider themselves to be the inheritors of the tradition of the Christian Knight's Templars, which is simply a competing brand name of Capitalist Christianity.

When I talk about Christianity I am thinking of the words of Jesus. Not the Church with they have corrupted through pagan mystery schools, Roman rite and law and Illuminati satanists like yourself.


The "witch-hunting" variety of Christian Capitalists and anti-Communists tend to have a "McCarthyist" mindset where they falsely accuse many individuals whom they do not agree with of being "Communists," despite evidence to the contrary. Because I am an overtly stated ideological Communist myself, I cannot be falsely accused of being a Communist, and so the Christian hypocrites (Capitalists) lose interest and perfer instead to espouse widl conspiracy theories and false accusations against those who are not Communists; it is just the Christian tradition really.


It's useful for wannabee evil doers like yourself to slur your oponents efforts to stop you murdering people as a 'witch hunt' isn't it.

Just tricks nothing more.



Do you have a heart or are you just some strange kind of cold machine?

You people are the most dangerous. You reflect the ruthless self righteous murder machine of the communists so well because you are incapable of being convinced that you do not possess the moral highground.

You do not possess the moral highground here. You're an illuminist and a satanist AND a communist! What a tripple whammy of shit! You're just another charming psychopath telling us all what we want to hear before your sharpen the gullotine.

Would you like to tell us how you became mind controlled.

It would make for interesting reading if nothing else.

[grandsecretary]

The Appeal to Ancient Authority[/B]

Of course the term "authority" begs the question "authorised by whom?" however our ancestors lived in a rather superstitious and less scientific world where religious authorities were highly respected. Thus we have the Grand Secretary here who makes all sorts of appeals to ancient authority and historical authenticity.

For example the Grand Secretary claims that his cult (founded in 2005) is pre-Davidic (prior to the 9th century BCE); he offers no evidence ...

Not true. Overt many months I have posted page after page after page of properly attributed evidence that is overwhelming.

Unfortunately it spoils LH's party and so he repeats his propaganda. That is what dishonest people do.

AUTHORITY:

The Charter of York, enshrined in English Statute Law. Copies of the Charter, originally sealed and signed on August 11 AD926 may be seen and read by anyone who cares to visit The Royal Library of The British Museum and elsewhere. There is no doubt as there is NO BETTER authority or evidence of authority.

[luciferhorus]

When I talk about Christianity I am thinking of the words of Jesus. Not the Church with they have corrupted through pagan mystery schools, Roman rite and law and Illuminati satanists like yourself.



Eidelweiss, when I use the term "Christianity" I use the term as academics in the field of "The Study of Religion" refer to the term as a description of a religion which has an almost 2000 year history and which is today divided into numerous sects and beliefs; I am not referring to "Eidelweiss's" own private definition, which I assume refers only to your own particular interpretation or "misinterpretation."

If we were to refer to a "Christian" as only a person who follows the teachings of Jesus, then we would be unable to refer to any known person or religion in history or in the contemporary world who follows both the teachings of Jesus and Moses, and if such persons have existed or exist today, they are entirely unknown to me.

As a practical definition I would say that Christians appear universally to be persons who reject the edicts of Jesus and the laws of Moses and that it is generally simply a hypocritical Capitalist phenomenon.

A person who is a follower of the teachings of Jesus would be a person who follows the Mosaic law (the 613 Laws of Moses) to the letter, since that was apparently the religion of Jesus, and in addition would not wear shoes, carry money, would have no more than one robe, would have sold all and given all their wealth to the poor and would not pray in public in the streets or Temples (Churches), etc., etc; such a person would also be forbidden to go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles (foreigners to the Israelites) and would be expected to be a homeless (he had nowhere to lay his head; i.e., homeless), unemployed (having given up their profession) person in resistance against the government (having taken up their cross risking martyrdom by the state through torture and execution) and organised religion (which becomes almost impossible without priests, Temples and the carrying of money). Further it would be expected that such a person would be preceived as Jesus was as a "drunkard and a glutton," a person "possessed by Beelzebub the Prince of Demons" and as being "beside themselves (i.e., insane)."

Lux

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Christian Hypocrisy 101

Lucifer

I addition to following the 613 laws of Moses (since Jesus promoted adherence to the entirely of the Law), the Christian should consider the following points. Failure to follow "any" one of the Mosaic Laws or "any" one of the edicts (do this and do not do this commands) of Jesus, is sufficient to consider yourself to be a hypocrite.


1: Don't carry money.[/I]

Have you renounced Capitalism and all it's works? Have you stopped carrying money?

2: Don't have more than one robe (only one article of clothing per person).

Have you abandoned consumerism and materialism and reduced your clothing down to one robe?


3: Don't pray in public in the streets or in the Temples.

Have you abandoned praying in Churches and in public?

4: Don't make promises (such as swearing oaths or contracts).

Have you abandoned the practive of making promises and signing contracts?

5: Sell "all" that you have and give the money away to the poor.

Have you sold all your possessions and given all that you have to the poor?

6: Give up your profession and your home. Feed the poor and heal the sick.

Have you given up your home, your emplyment and dedicated your life to the sick and the poor?


7: Do not go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles (i.e., foreigners, non Israelites).
Have you ceased from entering the towns of the Gentiles?


8: Do not worry about what to eat or drink; do not sow or reap.

Have you ceased from any form of agricultural planting?

9: Sell your clothes if you have to and buy swords.

In addition to "one robe" you can also own a sword. Have you aquired one yet?


10: Take up your cross. Since this was a first century metaphor for opposing Roman occupation, as crucifixion was the Roman penalty for resistance; we could interpret this as opposing the state to the point of martyrdom.

Have you taken up opposition to the government to the point where you risk martyrdom (by the government).



11: Do not refer to anyone as teacher (rabbi), father or master.

Have you ceased to refer to anyone as teacher, father, master or other priestly titles such as "reverend?"

12: Do not wear shoes.

Have you repented of the sin of shoe wearing and ceased this practice?


If there are any other points anyone else would like to add that I have missed I will add them,

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What I generally find, is that not only do Christians openly reject the teachings of Jesus, but they are openly hostile towards them and are further generally openly hostile towards all modern anti-Capitalists and anti-Propertyists (i.e., Communists).

Generally the standard defense from the Christians which justifies the rejection of the teachings of Jesus, is that Jesus' teachings only applied to persons 2000 years ago whom he was addressing, despite the fact that there is nothing in the Gospels which implies that Jesus demanded that "future generations" reject his teachings; on the contrary; this is just an example of the Christians placing their own misinterpretations of Jesus above the teachings of Jesus.

If today for example there was a millionaire Marxist who owned a factory where workers were exploited and enslaved, and he responded in a similar fashion to the Christian Capitalist hypocrites, that Marx's philosophy only applied to his 19th century contemporaries and "not today, not to me," this would be insufficient to defend him against charges of hypocrisy. Similarly if we had a Muslim who was committing usury (loan sharking) and who claimed that Mohammad's teachings only applied to those people in his era whom he was addressing, we might similarly accuse him of hypocrisy.


Lucifer
Blasphemy, Hersey, War, Revolution, etc.

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"Do not suppose that I come to bring peace to the earth: I
did not come to bring peace but a sword..........

[edelweiss pirate]

LH.

You are the online equivalent of a migraine headache.

Talking to you is like talking to the Computer off War Games with an instant google search.

I prefer the silly fat mason, at least he IS human.


You non human psychopaths are the real danger here.

I mean 'non-human' metaphorically of course.

I prefer to be ruled by the fat mason fools than the calculating Satanic psychopaths.

I won't get sucked into answering your thousand and one stupid questions.

Ask me ONE question and ONE only right now.

Here's mine for you:

Will you tell us about the mind control you underwent?

We deserve that information at least.

[luciferhorus]

LH.

You are the online equivalent of a migraine headache.

Talking to you is like talking to a soulless machine with an instant google search.

I prefer the silly fat mason, at least he IS human.


You non human psychopaths are the real danger here.

I mean 'non-human' metaphorically of course.

I prefer to be ruled by the fat mason fools than the calculating Satanic psychopaths.

Again I ask you, tell us about your mind control.

We deserve that information at least.

I really don't engage in exchanges of abuse, however it is my view that a Christian who believes that they are the followers of the teachings of Jesus (see above) and Moses can only be defined as "mind control" victims or hypocrites, since when I compare the teachings and beliefs of the Christians to that of Moses and Jesus, I find almost nothing in common and that is it simply a form or "pure hypocrisy."

Of course many Christians throughout history and in modern world have been simply illiterate, uneducated and entirely unaware of the teachings of Jesus and Moses, and thus can be described more as "victims of hypnosis and indoctrination" and "mind controlled victims," however in this age of mass literacy, anyone such as yourself who has sufficient literary skills to actually read the teachings and edicts of Moses and Jesus opens themselves to the charge of hypocrisy rather than simply being an illiterate victim of hypnosis.

To repond to charges of gross hypocrisy with abusive ramblings does not constitute an "intelligent argument" nor a defense against the charges of hypocrisy. Abuse is almost always the last cry of the desparate in an "argument."

It may be helpful to you if you imagine yourself in a courtroom in front of a judge, a prosecutor and a jury (the assembled members of the forum here), accused with falsely claiming to represent the historical Jesus (in which case I am your accuser).

A defense which consists purely of throwing abuse at your accusers (typical of Christians and Masons on this forum) would be entirely innefective and not relevant to the charges against you (and indeed against almost all Christians).

A defense of "I was illiterate and I never read the teachings of Moses and Jesus; I was hypnotised and indoctrinated by professional (Capitalist) Christians," would solicit the sympathy of the judge and jury, however I suspect that you would be unable to make such a defense; thus your only recourse would be to attempt to prove that you do indeed follow all the teachings of Moses and the 2000 year old anti-Capitalist, anti-propertyist (i.e., proto-Communist) Jesus and that you do not misrepresent them.

Lux

[edelweiss pirate]

(Sophistry) etc
lux

Sophistry:a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning. 2. a false argument; sophism.

Never mind the sophistry Lux.



Tell us about the mind control programme you were involved in!

Your thoughts are not your own. Perhaps this is Satan itself speaking....

Hello Satan! How R U?

[sofa king]

You say that it is not a masonic body but they do. A frown is hardly a disincentive.


"frowned on" is a generalization.

My GL specifically considers it a clandestine group that we are to not join or be ejected from the Craft.

[grandsecretary]

"frowned on" is a generalization.

My GL specifically considers it a clandestine group that we are to not join or be ejected from the Craft.

Is that similar to death by hanging by the neck until dead?

1) Name one member of your Grand Lodge who retained his membership of your GL and then "clandestinely" joined the OTO and therefore suffered "ejection" from your Grand Lodge

2) Your Grand Lodge does not possess the authority to eject ANYONE from "The Craft" because it does not own "The Craft". The zenith of its authority is cancellation of membership of itself. Woopy doo.

[sofa king]

Is that similar to death by hanging by the neck until dead?

1) Name one member of your Grand Lodge who retained his membership of your GL and then "clandestinely" joined the OTO and therefore suffered "ejection" from your Grand Lodge

2) Your Grand Lodge does not possess the authority to eject ANYONE from "The Craft" because it does not own "The Craft". The zenith of its authority is cancellation of membership of itself. Woopy doo.



I do not know of anyone joining the OTO. There are other esoteric groups that can be joined without risk of being ejected, such as BOTA, FLO and of course the S.R.I. ABCDEcFGS

[grandsecretary]

I do not know of anyone joining the OTO. There are other esoteric groups that can be joined without risk of being ejected, such as BOTA, FLO and of course the S.R.I. ABCDEcFGS

So what is the point of your GL telling you that the OTO is "unclean" and that you will be ejected if you joined it? If you really wanted to join the OTO, you would do so, and you would not give such a silly empty threat a single thought.

[sofa king]

So what is the point of your GL telling you that the OTO is "unclean" and that you will be ejected if you joined it? If you really wanted to join the OTO, you would do so, and you would not give such a silly empty threat a single thought.



If I really wanted to join the Grand Orient I could do that too.

[luciferhorus]

I do not know of anyone joining the OTO. There are other esoteric groups that can be joined without risk of being ejected, such as BOTA, FLO and of course the S.R.I. ABCDEcFGS

Ah. Yes. Well..

Need I point out that over a third of US Freemasons are also Shriners and Jesters, and that it can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that these two organisations have a history of financial corruption and are associated with the availability of prostitutes and trafficked sex slaves. No US Freemason seems to be at risk of explusion for joining the Shriners and Jesters, organisations which "only" admit Freemasons.

I must point out that my only moral objections to having sex with prostitutes and trafficked sex slaves are only the objections of a Communist, on economic slavery grounds, and have nothing to do with the sexual relationship itself, but rather with regards the economic nature of this form of enslavement.

On the other hand, if one joins the O.T.O. or the Thelemic Order of the Goldern Dawn which are apparently essentially (according to members and ex members) today Aleister Crowley fan clubs whose sins include the admission of women and homosexual rituals, then one becomes in danger of Masonic excommunication.

It seems to be that homosexuality and anti-paternalism (male supremacism) are more of a threat to Masonry than prostitution and sex slavery.

Lux

[sofa king]

Ah. Yes. Well..

Need I point out that over a third of US Freemasons are also Shriners and Jesters, and that it can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that these two organisations have a history of financial corruption and are associated with the availability of prostitutes and trafficked sex slaves. No US Freemason seems to be at risk of explusion for joining the Shriners and Jesters, organisations which "only" admit Freemasons.

I must point out that my only moral objections to having sex with prostitutes and trafficked sex slaves are only the objections of a Communist, on economic slavery grounds, and have nothing to do with the sexual relationship itself, but rather with regards the economic nature of this form of enslavement.

On the other hand, if one joins the O.T.O. or the Thelemic Order of the Goldern Dawn which are apparently essentially (according to members and ex members) today Aleister Crowley fan clubs whose sins include the admission of women and homosexual rituals, then one becomes in danger of Masonic excommunication.

It seems to be that homosexuality and anti-paternalism (male supremacism) are more of a threat to Masonry than prostitution and sex slavery.

Lux


I am not, have never been and will never be a Shriner. They have nothing of interest to me. In my opinion, they should proceed with their thought of separating from Masonry and becoming an autonomous group. I do not see them as being complementary at all. Bunch of drunks if you ask me.

[luciferhorus]

I am not, have never been and will never be a Shriner. They have nothing of interest to me. In my opinion, they should proceed with their thought of separating from Masonry and becoming an autonomous group. I do not see them as being complementary at all. Bunch of drunks if you ask me.

Similarly the OTO and the Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn might be described as a bunch of old hippies and Neopagans who like to get stoned and have strange sexual relationships, but since I am an old hippie and a Neopagan who likes to get stoned and have strange sexual relationships, I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with regular Masonry on the grounds that is seems to me to be just a Capitalist cult which one joins in order to rise up the Capitalist food chain or to gain advancement in one's career with Lloyds, Barclays, the Bank of Scotland or the police and judiciary. I tend to think most of the Scottish and English non Masons who are familiar with Masonry might tend to agree with me.

Lux

[sofa king]

Similarly the OTO and the Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn might be described as a bunch of old hippies and Neopagans who like to get stoned and have strange sexual relationships, but since I am an old hippie and a Neopagan who likes to get stoned and have strange sexual relationships, I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with regular Masonry on the grounds that is seems to me to be just a Capitalist cult which one joins in order to rise up the Capitalist food chain or to gain advancement in one's career with Lloyds, Barclays, the Bank of Scotland or the police and judiciary. I tend to think most of the Scottish and English non Masons who are familiar with Masonry might tend to agree with me.

Lux


Fair points.

Unfortunately, Masonry in North America is not like that. It really is a middle-class thing now that really has no financial benefit. In my lodge, there are mostly civil servants, teachers and construction workers. No one that can move me up any ladders as I am an office guy.


I have never sat in a UK masonic lodge so I can't comment on the occupations of those that are members as I do not have that knowledge.

[grandsecretary]

If I really wanted to join the Grand Orient I could do that too.

Exactly.

[grandsecretary]

Fair points.

Unfortunately, Masonry in North America is not like that. It really is a middle-class thing now that really has no financial benefit. In my lodge, there are mostly civil servants, teachers and construction workers. No one that can move me up any ladders as I am an office guy.


I have never sat in a UK masonic lodge so I can't comment on the occupations of those that are members as I do not have that knowledge.

All sorts: company executives; salesmen; taxi drivers; musicians; doctors; teachers; you name it. Very few drug taking hippies who like strange sexual relationships.

[stompk]

Just hours before their show at Webster Hall, the members of Suckers and Menomena were outside smoking cigarettes with a goat.
...
Afterward, lead singer Quinn Walker professed to rub his herpes all over the mic.

http://nyunews.com/arts/2010/10/06/07show/

:D

[stompk]

Bump for grand secretary, the NWO stooge.

[carlperkins]

Bump for grand secretary, the NWO stooge.

David Icke has given him a reason to exist.

[grandsecretary]

David Icke has given him a reason to exist.

I have had the greatest life that anyone could possibly have and I am grateful for it, and it is not over, not by a long chalk.

I have been suspended from this forum twice, and I have welcomed the rest from brainless tossers like you.

And the real Carl Perkins is tops!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DMAAtUzmc

You are an insult to his memory, I apologise to him on behalf of your parent.

[stompk]

Whatever you say there Nigel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKQmVz1Udw

:rolleyes:

[grandsecretary]

This is a video produced by The United Grand Lodge of England. NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with me.

Either learn to read, or remain an indolent, worthless, ignoramus.

I will give you a clue ... read the disclaimer at the bottom of this and EVERY ONE of my postings.

God give me strength! :o

[stompk]

In the 18th century, the name "goat-riders" applied to all criminal
gangs that operated in the border region on both sides of the river
Maas (Meuse), both in the Netherlands (Kerkrade), Germany (Aachen)
and Belgium (Wellen). Great poverty caused these highwaymen to rob
churches, abbeys and monasteries. Soon, they started plundering
villages, robbing travellers and unprotected farms, particularly at
night.
...
According to popular belief, the name of these robbers has two
origins. Firstly, the he-goat (or buck) was at the centre of their
meetings. To be accepted into a gang, newcomers had to undergo a
ritual. The candidate was required to sit on a wooden goat (which
was turned around until they fell off), drink gin and pronounce
several formulas. They committed sacrilege by spitting on the holy
cross and reading this oath: "I renounce God and the holy mother of
God and I acknowledge the devil. If I should be captured, I will
rather undergo torture to death above betraying one of them."

http://forum.stirpes.net/germanische-gemeinschaft/126-legend-goat-riders.html

[edelweiss pirate]

I have had the greatest life that anyone could possibly have and I am grateful for it, and it is not over, not by a long chalk.

I have been suspended from this forum twice, and I have welcomed the rest from brainless tossers like you.

And the real Carl Perkins is tops!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DMAAtUzmc

You are an insult to his memory, I apologise to him on behalf of your parent.

Maybe you think your life is great. But this is only a delusion.

If your life was sooo great you would have free-will and would not be forced to post your odious trash here and be perhaps the most disliked forum member in living forum history.

Banned twice.... doesn't that tell you something? I was banned only once, you're even more obnoxious than me then, which is quite an achievement, but not a good one.

[grandsecretary]

You have no idea about how free I am. I am certainly only here because I enjoy educating you. No force necessary. All I know is that I am more than satisifed with my lot. I have had an extraordinary life and I have enjoyed every minute of every day.

I have been called many names here. I would plead guilty to smug b*****d. :)

Being banned only twice tells me that I am being far too soft with you.

[carlperkins]

I have had the greatest life that anyone could possibly have and I am grateful for it, and it is not over, not by a long chalk.

I have been suspended from this forum twice, and I have welcomed the rest from brainless tossers like you.

And the real Carl Perkins is tops!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5DMAAtUzmc

You are an insult to his memory, I apologise to him on behalf of your parent.

Grandsecretary, I cannot believe you are a Carl Perkins fan! How about that! I'm a huge Carl Perkins fan, that video link for "Forever Yours" is brilliant, I've not seen that one before. Wowee, what a coincidence, you being a Carl fan, I'm in shock. Well respect to you for that, to show my appreciation I'm going to learn that song and everytime I sing it I'll think of you. I will now apologise for my wind up comment, although I'm amazed that you spend so much time on this site. Good luck to you, I'll leave you alone from now on.

(Wowee, a Carl Perkins fan! I can't believe it! You can't make this stuff up!)

Later

[grandsecretary]

He is pure magic for me. I could listen to his music for days. Kenny Chesney has the same quality to his voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLebZ9RgHE

Beautiful words ... sung with feeling.

[grandsecretary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGF6WPuSpM

Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins and Eric Clapton ... beat that!

[edelweiss pirate]

Gooooooat riders in.....the sky.

[lizzyking]

Gooooooat riders in.....the sky.

LOL! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUVwZoiH5ZU

[lizzyking]

Very few drug taking hippies who like strange sexual relationships.


Strange...yet so hauntingly familiar...

[southerndemolay]

I believe these silly games ARE played in Masonic Lodges the USA and you are correct that it is childish. It is certainly NOT a masonic ceremony in the UK and in the US is a comic side show. Thats not the same as your outright denial, however.

I do hope you do not mean your definitive statement that It may be so in your opinion/interpretation in which case you should qualify the statement IMHO. This is the first time I have EVER heard that suggestion and to speak authoritively but without authority is misleading. Proof please.

BS.

Cheers

as a Tennessee and Mississippi freemason and one who has seen arkansas work.....there is NO GOAT. hazing is illegal and forbidden. althought the third ruffian is a bit rough,:rolleyes:

[one666]

Have you heard about the Masonic Goat Riding Ritual?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2z5oml0.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/30jrafl.jpg



Now as crazy as it sounds, these goats riders are real.

http://i38.tinypic.com/w1ehcw.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/244d06t.jpg


http://i37.tinypic.com/fyq0zk.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/30c55yg.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2r6e36h.jpg

Now, I was banned from ATS (Above Top Secret) for
posting this info, so the Masons definitely don't want
it out there. I'm going to plaster it all over the internet though

More goodies to come.

Goat riding. Reminds me of revelation, the bit about the whore riding the beast. They are satanic. some Roman catholic priests are members. The whore church riding the beast. Both are the same.

[humason]

Goat riding. Reminds me of revelation, the bit about the whore riding the beast. They are satanic. some Roman catholic priests are members. The whore church riding the beast. Both are the same.

That's a bit rich coming form someone whose handle is one666, don't you think? :)

[sofa king]

That's a bit rich coming form someone whose handle is one666, don't you think? :)

lol

:D

[busa]

Classic thread, great read thanks ! :cool:

Made me think of my US army mates who use the phrase Goat f*****s.

[busa]

As for goat riding........... pussies !

Ghost Rider over 200mph through traffic on the back wheel of a naked turbo Busa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud_gXPCMUDw

[stompk]

Classic thread, great read thanks ! :cool:

Made me think of my US army mates who use the phrase Goat f*****s.

Glad you enjoyed it.

I think the many high level Masons actually have sex with goats.

They joke about it, nervously.

[busa]

Glad you enjoyed it.

I think the many high level Masons actually have sex with goats.

They joke about it, nervously.

I wouldnt stoop so low myself. :D

[wothe]

Having spent some time investigating various signs and symbols found in old portraits, I came upon something interesting in the famous portrait of 'Shakespeare'.

I suppose I should explain how the thing was discovered, but I post the image as in its hidden form which as I eventually worked out.

I will explain if interest is shown.


regards to ewe all.

https://sites.google.com/site/mrwhdeciphered/

I have just posted a URL but nothing comes up image wise, what am I doing wrong???

[stompk]

Having spent some time investigating various signs and symbols found in old portraits, I came upon something interesting in the famous portrait of 'Shakespeare'.

I suppose I should explain how the thing was discovered, but I post the image as in its hidden form which as I eventually worked out.

I will explain if interest is shown.


regards to ewe all.

https://sites.google.com/site/mrwhdeciphered/

I have just posted a URL but nothing comes up image wise, what am I doing wrong???

Wow, just saw that image. Very weird. Thanks for sharing! :eek:

[psychic hearts]

This is a ritual that the Eastern Star (women) Masons are required to perform.

[keystone]

This is a ritual that the Eastern Star (women) Masons are required to perform.Source please.

Cheers

[psychic hearts]

Well I'm not an expert but someone in my family was talked into joining the Eastern Star (I think it's called) "Women's" Freemasons, but she said she that they wanted her to ride a goat as part of the initiation ritual and so she never became a member, it was too weird for her I guess.

I didn't know if I was relaying anything new or not, just seeing if anyone else was aware of this.

[jewellerymaker]

Hi. Interesting, if lengthy, thread. I'm a girl. If I were a boy, I'd join my local masons (if accepted) to see for myself what goes on. Why doesn't someone do this?!

http://www.dorset-freemasonry.org.uk/first-steps.html

The above is a link to my local freemason club. I guess it would be difficult, but not impossible, to be accepted with no friend or family member to recommend.

I want to believe that freemasons are responsbile for all the evil in the world (and I guess deep down, I do), and I do believe in David Icke's reptile theory, but I also like cold, hard proof!

[keystone]

Well I'm not an expert but someone in my family was talked into joining the Eastern Star (I think it's called) "Women's" Freemasons, but she said she that they wanted her to ride a goat as part of the initiation ritual and so she never became a member, it was too weird for her I guess. OK so its hearsay then. Its also largely a very silly joke usually designed to put the frighteners on people.

I didn't know if I was relaying anything new or not, just seeing if anyone else was aware of this.Yep it keeps getting brought up. Stompy will be back in a while to regurgitate. :D

Cheers

[keystone]

Hi. Interesting, if lengthy, thread. I'm a girl. If I were a boy, I'd join my local masons (if accepted) to see for myself what goes on. Why doesn't someone do this?! Good point. You can't become a Freemason via the link you gave. You could, however, join HFAF, OWF or LDH. The last one is mixed and the former two women only. Theres another mixed GL in the UK too.

I want to believe that freemasons are responsbile for all the evil in the world (and I guess deep down, I do),Why in preference to any other group of people or are they just a handy target?

and I do believe in David Icke's reptile theory,Thats a metter for you.

but I also like cold, hard proof!Pity a lot of other posters here don't really.

Cheers