Downing street response to swine flu petition

[fekdemasons]

Got this reply this morning from no10.


Sorry if its up anywhere else allready.

So no forced vaccinations if we believe this:-

Read the Government’s response

Thank you for your e-petition. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.

No decision has been taken to embark on a mass vaccination campaign, but any vaccination against swine flu would not be compulsory. Everyone has a right to refuse the swine flu vaccination, or any other vaccination. Where a child is too young to consent themselves to being vaccinated, the right to decide rests with the person with parental responsibility.

There was no vaccine available to protect against the 1918/19 Spanish flu. However, the UK will be in the fortunate position of being able to offer protection to those most at risk from swine flu once the vaccine becomes available.

People should be reassured that so far the virus is generally mild in most cases. However, it is proving more serious in some cases and sadly a small number of people have died. The World Health Organisation (WHO) advice is that serious cases should be treated immediately.

The UK is one of the best-prepared countries in the world when it comes to dealing with the pandemic. We have a large stockpile of antivirals, and the vaccine is in the process of being licensed. NHS organisations have plans in place to cope with the effects of a pandemic.

The Government will continue to take the best independent scientific advice to inform our decisions on vaccination issues.

[zenith82]

I signed a petition against mandatory vaccinations, I just received an email linking me to their response. It's pretty similar to all the written responses I've received from MP's i've contacted.

We received a petition asking:

“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ban the use of swine flu vaccinations due to the fact the vaccinations contain a man made weaponized swine flu virus which will cause death or serious injury to members of the public.”

Details of Petition:

“the swine flu outbreak from mexico was not an accident it was an act of bioterrorism. charges have already been filled against the w.h.o. and u.n. and other groups and people with the fbi in austria by jane burgermeister. the swine flu virus is a man made bioweapon. the vaccines produced which are claimed to give immunity to the swine flu will not do so and in fact will result in massive loss of life. the 1918 spanish flu was also spread deliberately by vaccines and killed at least 20 million. this new man made swine flu virus is actually based on the 1918 spanish flu and contains human, bird and swine flu never before seen any where in the world. the government must cease and desist from the course of action which will result in the genocide of the population from vaccines containing swine flu weaponized virus.”

· Read the petition
· Petitions homepage

Read the Government’s response
Thank you for your e-petition. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.

No decision has been taken to embark on a mass vaccination campaign, but any vaccination against swine flu would not be compulsory. Everyone has a right to refuse the swine flu vaccination, or any other vaccination. Where a child is too young to consent themselves to being vaccinated, the right to decide rests with the person with parental responsibility.

There was no vaccine available to protect against the 1918/19 Spanish flu. However, the UK will be in the fortunate position of being able to offer protection to those most at risk from swine flu once the vaccine becomes available.

People should be reassured that so far the virus is generally mild in most cases. However, it is proving more serious in some cases and sadly a small number of people have died. The World Health Organisation (WHO) advice is that serious cases should be treated immediately.

The UK is one of the best-prepared countries in the world when it comes to dealing with the pandemic. We have a large stockpile of antivirals, and the vaccine is in the process of being licensed. NHS organisations have plans in place to cope with the effects of a pandemic.

The Government will continue to take the best independent scientific advice to inform our decisions on vaccination issues.

[zenith82]

We posted this at the same time lol :D

[pureheart]

Where can we sign that petition?

[fekdemasons]

We posted this at the same time lol :D

So what do you reckon ?

Print the letter , keep a copy to produce at the appropriate time.

Has the petition succeeded ?

[zenith82]

It's already handed in but i'm sure there will be several like it i've not checked but it was done on the following site.

www.number10.gov.uk

[zenith82]

So what do you reckon ?

Print the letter , keep a copy to produce at the appropriate time.

Has the petition succeeded ?

I'm not too sure that it's the petition thats succeeded. I had similar responses from MP's about a month ago and that wasn't part of a petition. It just seems to be the general response.Whether it is true or whether it remains the case is yet to be seen. Most of the responses I got body swerved certain questions but I eventually, after much persuasion received quite a firm response from Nicola Sturgeon( Health and Wellbeing Minister for Scotland) and it clearly stated "you will not be forced to take the vaccine against your will regardless of the level of pandemic at the time"
I have that in black and white on offical government headed paper, and shall be keeping it to the bitter end and using it when it becomes appropriate.

What baffles me is after stating on many occassions to many members of the public that the vaccine wont be mandatory, how can they change it?

[simplysimon]

I wonder... but any vaccination against swine flu would not be compulsory, how would they stand on a vaccination against H1N1?

[bobbydiva]

Just got this. PR bollocks really.

[kiwimaj]

Was this the petition...

More details from petition creator
It is my understanding through press reports regarding new bills that are passing and have recently been passed in the states, that ALL residents of america will soon be forced to take experimental, inadequately tested H1N1 swine flu vaccines. Those that refuse the mandatory vaccines will fall under new pandemic emergency laws that will place them in FEMA managed camps(also a bill passed to allow FEMA to take people to areas and work as require during periods of national emergency or civil unrest) where they are allowed to be held indefinitely.

..so that's what the FEMA camps were created for then??

:eek:

[zenith82]

I wonder... but any vaccination against swine flu would not be compulsory, how would they stand on a vaccination against H1N1?

But it says "and any other vaccinations"

Whilst i'm aware that MP's and governments and blatant fecking liars they would not be so stupid as to willingly distribute those lies in black and white to anybody who asks for it if they had any intention of changing their offical line anytime in the near future. They would have at least worded it differently. I.E " We have no intention of making the vaccines mandatory at present" this would leave room for change.

I've been contacting people about this for months now and all the responses are all the same. I'd be more concerned about what may be about to unfold in America and France and other countries who have been passing laws to make vaccination compulsory. We should be concentrating on making the people who would not need to be forced to take the vaccine, aware of the dangers of taking it, rather than organising protests about it becoming mandatory, because by doing so we are simply covering the arses of those who would be refusing it anyway. Too many people are focusing on our right to refuse rather than making others aware that they should refuse.

We all need to make sure that while we fight this that we remain vigilant for the things that could be going on while we're being kept busy.

[zenith82]

Was this the petition...



..so that's what the FEMA camps were created for then??

:eek:

It seems to be a completely different case in America as it is over here. This was a U.K petition.

[erthiz]

It says the vaccines not compulsory now, but over the next few months when the virus gets worse over winter, the vaccine will become complusory.

I read that somewhere in America (Ohio? maybe im wrong there), that the vaccine is already compulsory, like their testing public reaction or something. Anyone else heard this?

[redskywalker]

GOOD SHOW ;)
back in the best place.
cheers :D

[zenith82]

It says the vaccines not compulsory now, but over the next few months when the virus gets worse over winter, the vaccine will become complusory.

I read that somewhere in America (Ohio? maybe im wrong there), that the vaccine is already compulsory, like their testing public reaction or something. Anyone else heard this?

But thats the point it doesn't say that. I have a letter from the health minister here stating that regardless of the level of pandemic nobody will be forced to take the vaccination against their will. It was a very clear statement and didn't leave any room to be misinterpreted, and believe me I questioned and questioned from every conceivable angle until I got that response. I queried what would happen if another strain came in and an emergency was declared and that was the answer I got. These responses are too clearly worded for this to change anytime soon.

I do believe it's a different matter entirely in the states though.

[simplysimon]

Yep, you're right zenith, it does say any other vaccine as well.

My concern is, knowing the MO of these psychopaths, for example the ID cards, they will bring in other legislation that makes it almost impossible to live without taking a vaccine. Exclusion from schools, no benefits, no right to travel, etc.

However, I could be being paranoid :)

[erthiz]

Ahhright, well i hope your right. but i still cant trust the beggers :)

[erthiz]

My concern is, knowing the MO of these psychopaths, for example the ID cards, they will bring in other legislation that makes it almost impossible to live without taking a vaccine. Exclusion from schools, no benefits, no right to travel, etc.

However, I could be being paranoid :)

Your exactly right man, i can see that happening.

[secret66mechanism]

so the government say there will be no forced vaccinations,but what hapens when the WHO step in cant they over rule this,?

[zenith82]

Yep, you're right zenith, it does say any other vaccine as well.

My concern is, knowing the MO of these psychopaths, for example the ID cards, they will bring in other legislation that makes it almost impossible to live without taking a vaccine. Exclusion from schools, no benefits, no right to travel, etc.

However, I could be being paranoid :)

I have queried that also though, I did ask about what sort of measures they would take against those who refuse. But you are right they didn't do well with the ID cards and now all our kids are encouraged to have kids cards and young scot cards which is the ID card through the back door.

[zenith82]

Ahhright, well i hope your right. but i still cant trust the beggers :)

I don't trust them either, thats the point, if we are fighting against blatant outright mandatory vaccination then we are fighting/protesting against the wrong thing. I don't really believe what they are saying but i'm only posting the responses I've got to inform people on what they are saying.

[wildhorse]

lets not focus on the what ifs...just focus on we got a result, no forced vaccines. We create our own reality and if we keep on thinking "yeah but..." we will get that 'yeah but...'

i am just thankful that I have one less thing to stress over today...

[zenith82]

so the government say there will be no forced vaccinations,but what hapens when the WHO step in cant they over rule this,?

I also asked about the implications of pandemic level six as outlined by the W.H.O in the same letter and thats why the response was worded in such a way. I've just bought a scanner but i've no lead for it yet i'll get one during the week and post exact copies of what i sent and what i received in response.

[erthiz]

Well said Wildhorse :)

Keep it up Zen, you can only tell us what they tell you :)

[zenith82]

lets not focus on the what ifs...just focus on we got a result, no forced vaccines. We create our own reality and if we keep on thinking "yeah but..." we will get that 'yeah but...'

i am just thankful that I have one less thing to stress over today...

It wasn't a result though they have been saying the same thing for months now, I don't feel it had anything to do with the petitions, as I had the same thing said to me in various different letters from the government before petitions were handed in. This has been the official line from the word go. I appreciate and agree with what you are saying about the "yeah but's"
yeah....but :D we cannot get complacent either.

[gilly]

On a personal note, I was worried that the schools might be geared up to summon the authorities in with jabs at the first sign of this man-made malady. I distrust them.

But this morning, the school lollipop lady, who's a good old gossip, summoned me over to whisper that there's swine-flu broken out 'all round the school', and that they would shut the school down, unless they were trying to keep it under their hats.

On checking this out at reception, I was informed that a few parents had reported their kids sick with the swine-flu, but they'd no intention of shutting down, and I got the distinct impression that they were taking it with a pinch of salt, as they pointed out with some disdain that you just ring the doctor for an over-the-phone diagnosis. That attitude I found heartening! :)

{Edit} Oh bugger - I meant to post this on the Swineflu Updates thread not here!

[zenith82]

On a personal note, I was worried that the schools might be geared up to summon the authorities in with jabs at the first sign of this man-made malady. I distrust them.

But this morning, the school lollipop lady, who's a good old gossip, summoned me over to whisper that there's swine-flu broken out 'all round the school', and that they would shut the school down, unless they were trying to keep it under their hats.

On checking this out at reception, I was informed that a few parents had reported their kids sick with the swine-flu, but they'd no intention of shutting down, and I got the distinct impression that they were taking it with a pinch of salt, as they pointed out with some disdain that you just ring the doctor for an over-the-phone diagnosis. That attitude I found heartening! :)

I've found this attitude quite common place also and it is very heartening. Did you see the plans for vaccinations i posted on another thread that came out of a school computer system? Barcoded consent forms, sophisticated databases tracking who has been given the vaccine who is yet to receive, who has given or witheld consent, and the option to "administer by exception" if no response has been given by parents, nothing like this has ever been done in the school that i got the information from. Make sure when it does come time for consent forms being sent out that you hand them into the school in person , photo-copy it and get a receipt stating they acknowledge you are witholding consent. The "administer by exception" option on all these screen shots disturbs me greatly, if a kid loses the form, or their teacher loses the form they could just go ahead and give the vaccine anyway. I was also told that in some circumstances children as young as 12 can give their own consent.

[sinnain]

Just got my reply too :D

Will set our minds at rest for now but i fear the WHO may stick their oars in at some stage down the line.

Either that or it will be some EU ruling if the Lisbon Treaty gets ratified.

These guys are worth watching......sneaky bastards..

[sinnain]

I've found this attitude quite common place also and it is very heartening. Did you see the plans for vaccinations i posted on another thread that came out of a school computer system? Barcoded consent forms, sophisticated databases tracking who has been given the vaccine who is yet to receive, who has given or witheld consent, and the option to "administer by exception" if no response has been given by parents, nothing like this has ever been done in the school that i got the information from. Make sure when it does come time for consent forms being sent out that you hand them into the school in person , photo-copy it and get a receipt stating they acknowledge you are witholding consent. The "administer by exception" option on all these screen shots disturbs me greatly, if a kid loses the form, or their teacher loses the form they could just go ahead and give the vaccine anyway. I was also told that in some circumstances children as young as 12 can give their own consent.

Aye.....just be aware folks.
I signed a form withholding consent for my daughter to get the hpv vaccine.
When the day for jabs came, her name was on the list to receive one.....thank god she had the good sense to stand up & say NO.

[erthiz]

With all this being said about vaccines, me must remember! that swine flu will not harm us unless we have the vaccine. Even if the vaccine becomes compulsory, we must refuse it, i know i will be.

[gilly]

I've found this attitude quite common place also and it is very heartening. Did you see the plans for vaccinations i posted on another thread that came out of a school computer system? Barcoded consent forms, sophisticated databases tracking who has been given the vaccine who is yet to receive, who has given or witheld consent, and the option to "administer by exception" if no response has been given by parents, nothing like this has ever been done in the school that i got the information from. Make sure when it does come time for consent forms being sent out that you hand them into the school in person , photo-copy it and get a receipt stating they acknowledge you are witholding consent. The "administer by exception" option on all these screen shots disturbs me greatly, if a kid loses the form, or their teacher loses the form they could just go ahead and give the vaccine anyway. I was also told that in some circumstances children as young as 12 can give their own consent.

Yep - all sound advice!

I've already marked on the usual annual document that they keep on file, that I categorically forbid them to administer any form of vaccination, or tamiflu to either of my kids. I've also said the same thing in a seperate letter addressed to each of the school heads.

[dixie d]

Just a thought, they might be relying on the fact that many will take the vaccine and thus it will spread anyway (they will become carriers and used to mutate the virus). Once it spreads and mutates into something worse, and more and more people become sick, they may start crying out for the vaccination, and hence making the whole thing worse. It could be we won't win, you take it you become ill, you don't take it you become ill. There seems to be something sinister behind all this.

Take care all
Dixie
:)

[zenith82]

Yep - all sound advice!

I've already marked on the usual annual document that they keep on file, that I categorically forbid them to administer any form of vaccination, or tamiflu to either of my kids. I've also said the same thing in a seperate letter addressed to each of the school heads.

Good to hear, I think my kids school teachers think i'm some crazy biaattcchh lol

[secret66mechanism]

I also asked about the implications of pandemic level six as outlined by the W.H.O in the same letter and thats why the response was worded in such a way. I've just bought a scanner but i've no lead for it yet i'll get one during the week and post exact copies of what i sent and what i received in response.

ok thankyou

[candygirl]

I am concerned about who we are all complaining to.
Has the goverment actually got the right to refuse whatever the WHO dictates?
How powerful are the WHO?
Now the WHO have declared a pandemic level 6 back in June does this give the WHO greater control?.
So if the whole population sign a petition directed at the goverment and the goverment reply by saying "No mandatory vaccine" well that is the goverment saying that, placating the population at this moment in time.
i just thought well if the WHO dictate mandatory vaccination using the army/police/UN army and the goverment has no power to stop it because all control in in the hands of the WHO. The goverment can and probably will say "yes there were petitions for us but not for the WHO we have to implement the WHO's plan".
It appears to me all the Health & safety rules/drinking/smoking/driving came from the WHO the goverments just implemented it in ACTS and statutes. the goverment implements fines etc (which are to pay back the debt and of course the greedy Pharma)
Should we all send petitions to the WHO & Goverments?.Just a thought...
Can we all fight the WHO and their rules when the time comes or is there some little clause that was missed and the humans power is totally stripped.??
As far as i can tell the WHO board of directors are Dr's and various others it is a company with shareholders and they are shareholders/owners in the big pharma and we all know who owns that.
Or am i totally wrong off on another tangent totally missing the point?
Are the WHO our biggest enemy in all this and the goverment are just here to placate us keep us happy meanwhile when the WHO says Jump the goverments say how high? Are we hitting our heads aginst a brick wall with the goverments being led to believe the process of petitions will actually help stop mandatory vaccination?. :confused:

[secret66mechanism]

there are also the changes in the mental health act to concider,talk about covering all the angles.

[candygirl]

there are also the changes in the mental health act to concider,talk about covering all the angles.

the changes in the Mental health Act concern me it seems they are covering all angles at a speedy rate first the Mental health Act then the record of vaccines for all children starting school then the children put on at risk registers because parents express concerns about vaccines and damage, sacking staff who refuse the jab all of the above happened in record time don't you think? What next?

[zenith82]

the changes in the Mental health Act concern me it seems they are covering all angles at a speedy rate first the Mental health Act then the record of vaccines for all children starting school then the children put on at risk registers because parents express concerns about vaccines and damage, sacking staff who refuse the jab all of the above happened in record time don't you think? What next?

We kick off :mad:

[entrainment]

the changes in the Mental health Act concern me it seems they are covering all angles at a speedy rate first the Mental health Act then the record of vaccines for all children starting school then the children put on at risk registers because parents express concerns about vaccines and damage, sacking staff who refuse the jab all of the above happened in record time don't you think? What next?

This only works cause peeps dont see yet just how many other peeps dont want these jabs, when the shit hits the fan and the mass vacinations starts it is my hope we will see huge numbers stand up and tell TPTB to do one.

lets see them cope with millions telling them to go get fucked !!

[bemore]

They can send a letter out to everybody in the UK saying it will not be mandatory to accept the vaccine.

This is probably 100% true, they prob wont need to make it mandatory because when it is available then the huge percentage of people who know nothing of the H1N1 story will just simply go and have it done.

When people start to get REALLY ILL and healthy people start dying from it then there will be stampedes and one big fuck off QUE to have the vaccine.

They wont force it, people will just accept it.

[hadabusa]

Got this reply this morning from no10.


Sorry if its up anywhere else allready.

So no forced vaccinations if we believe this:-

Read the Government?s response

Thank you for your e-petition. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has strict processes in place for licensing pandemic vaccines.

In preparing for a pandemic, appropriate trials to assess safety and the immune responses have been carried out on vaccines very similar to the swine flu vaccine. The vaccines have been shown to have a good safety profile.

No decision has been taken to embark on a mass vaccination campaign, but any vaccination against swine flu would not be compulsory. Everyone has a right to refuse the swine flu vaccination, or any other vaccination. Where a child is too young to consent themselves to being vaccinated, the right to decide rests with the person with parental responsibility.

There was no vaccine available to protect against the 1918/19 Spanish flu. However, the UK will be in the fortunate position of being able to offer protection to those most at risk from swine flu once the vaccine becomes available.

People should be reassured that so far the virus is generally mild in most cases. However, it is proving more serious in some cases and sadly a small number of people have died. The World Health Organisation (WHO) advice is that serious cases should be treated immediately.

The UK is one of the best-prepared countries in the world when it comes to dealing with the pandemic. We have a large stockpile of antivirals, and the vaccine is in the process of being licensed. NHS organisations have plans in place to cope with the effects of a pandemic.

The Government will continue to take the best independent scientific advice to inform our decisions on vaccination issues.

thank you very much,sir.

nice name,lol.

[secret66mechanism]

:mad:the changes in the Mental health Act concern me it seems they are covering all angles at a speedy rate first the Mental health Act then the record of vaccines for all children starting school then the children put on at risk registers because parents express concerns about vaccines and damage, sacking staff who refuse the jab all of the above happened in record time don't you think? What next?

are only angle left would be to kick off, what other choice is there

[secret66mechanism]

This only works cause peeps dont see yet just how many other peeps dont want these jabs, when the shit hits the fan and the mass vacinations starts it is my hope we will see huge numbers stand up and tell TPTB to do one.

lets see them cope with millions telling them to go get fucked !!

right on:)

[freedom from within]

They can send a letter out to everybody in the UK saying it will not be mandatory to accept the vaccine.

This is probably 100% true, they prob wont need to make it mandatory because when it is available then the huge percentage of people who know nothing of the H1N1 story will just simply go and have it done.

When people start to get REALLY ILL and healthy people start dying from it then there will be stampedes and one big fuck off QUE to have the vaccine.

They wont force it, people will just accept it.

This is so true and when they come out with the (O my god its mutated into
H5N1 bird flu) thats when in my opinion they will become mandatory in the UK.

They can all fook right of with that shit me or my family will not be having none of it and i will die fighting for that right.

love and light to all

[tien an]

Let's not forget that it doesn't matter what the government say...the WHO can effectively take over this aspect of government and impose their will on any signatory state...

Oh, and by the way...Downing Street didn't address any of the other points raised in the petition!

tian an.

[molech]

This is my first time on the forum so forgive me if someone has already said about contacting your MP and alerting them to the possibility of mandatory vaccinations and getting them to get the governemnt to confirm in the house of commons that there will never be mandatory vacciantions as it breaches the human rights act and the Nuremburg Code.

However, if the vaccinations become mandatory is there anything we can do before we are foced to take them to mitigate the effects of the vaccine? If, as David Icke suggest, it is some sort of nanotechnoogy will an electromagentic field disrupt the microchips? If we need RFID braclets will an electromagnetic field destroy the chip inside it? If there is anyone out there with knowledge of physics, is this possible?

If you have seen the film 'They Live' it is a large antennae on top of a tv station that is beaming out the signals that control the humans. I am sure everyone has noticed an upsurge of strange looking antennas everywhere. There are numerous enormous ones built all around the hills surrounding Belfast and I'm sure they are there to either monitor or control us. If the worst comes to the worst, will destroying these antennae stop them tracking us or controlling the implanted microchips?

Cheers

[fekdemasons]

This is my first time on the forum so forgive me if someone has already said about contacting your MP and alerting them to the possibility of mandatory vaccinations and getting them to get the governemnt to confirm in the house of commons that there will never be mandatory vacciantions as it breaches the human rights act and the Nuremburg Code.

However, if the vaccinations become mandatory is there anything we can do before we are foced to take them to mitigate the effects of the vaccine? If, as David Icke suggest, it is some sort of nanotechnoogy will an electromagentic field disrupt the microchips? If we need RFID braclets will an electromagnetic field destroy the chip inside it? If there is anyone out there with knowledge of physics, is this possible?

If you have seen the film 'They Live' it is a large antennae on top of a tv station that is beaming out the signals that control the humans. I am sure everyone has noticed an upsurge of strange looking antennas everywhere. There are numerous enormous ones built all around the hills surrounding Belfast and I'm sure they are there to either monitor or control us. If the worst comes to the worst, will destroying these antennae stop them tracking us or controlling the implanted microchips?

Cheers

I have considered declaring myself and the family as Jehova's witnesses. If they can legally refuse a blood transfusion then surely they'd get away with refusing the shots.

I'll try the old infringement of Human rights / religious persecution angle. The ptb wouldn't dare risk being non pc , after all ....they run the PC agenda in the first place.

Worth a try ?

[steevo]

Are people (who havent had the vaccination) gonna get put in quarantine (prison) ? THAT is the question that Downing Street needs to answer (but the PTB are not gonna tell the truth if asked that question :rolleyes:).

[steevo]

Also, would children who are not vaccinated be told that they cannot attend school (ie are they gonna be denied an "education" ). And would the parents be blamed for it by the social services ?

[nialldabass]

Are people (who havent had the vaccination) gonna get put in quarantine (prison) ? THAT is the question that Downing Street needs to answer (but the PTB are not gonna tell the truth if asked that question :rolleyes:).

I would like to point out the EU caharter of rights states in

Artical 6

(e) the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;

So if Lisbon is ratified THIS will be the law

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=13

[microverses]

I have not heard anything about forced shots in Ontario either, so all this talk of forced shots seems to be just that - talk.

Although if I were an evil world leader seeking to further my control, I'd say sure...don't take the shot. Then I'd release something else killing dozens in 'small' towns and call it H1N1 through the media with a spin of mutated virus due to the fact that the residents of the town decided to skip taking any shots and the lines would form instantly for the Big Pharma dosing.

Actually, that might be the better plan - you lose some population and gain further control over the others.

[tien an]

Also, would children who are not vaccinated be told that they cannot attend school (ie are they gonna be denied an "education" ). And would the parents be blamed for it by the social services ?

That's what I'm worried about...


I would like to point out the EU caharter of rights states in

Artical 6

(e) the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;

So if Lisbon is ratified THIS will be the law

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=13

And that is the confirmation of my fears.

I try very hard not to let things get to me...not to 'feed the monster', but I'm concerned about the implications of what you two have just said...
My thoughts go in exactly that direction.

tian an.

[steevo]

I would like to point out the EU caharter of rights states in

Artical 6

(e) the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;

So if Lisbon is ratified THIS will be the law

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=13

Thanks Niall.

[steevo]

That's what I'm worried about...




And that is the confirmation of my fears.

I try very hard not to let things get to me...not to 'feed the monster', but I'm concerned about the implications of what you two have just said...
My thoughts go in exactly that direction.

tian an.

I wonder if we are getting to that point where we all begin to wish that we did more to spread the information to our fellow man when we had the chance. I mean how hard is it to do some leaflets or stickers ?

[nialldabass]

I think everyone needs to read that charter, its not too long and most of it makes good sense, however as always the devil is in the detail

[steevo]

I think everyone needs to read that charter, its not too long and most of it makes good sense, however as always the devil is in the detail

Yes youre right. And if you KNOW the details, it will make it a hell of alot easier for us to communicate it to others, and you will be able to explain what the charter is REALLY all about.

[nialldabass]

This is another very frieghtening part and should have everyone up in arms
Its the last two paragraphs that are important


Art 2. Right to Life
Justice

Definition

1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.

Legal Explanations

1. Paragraph 1 of this Article is based on the first sentence of Article 2(1) of the ECHR, which reads as follows:

1. 'Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law …'

2. The second sentence of the provision, which referred to the death penalty, was superseded by the entry into force of Article 1 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR, which reads as follows:
‘The death penalty shall be abolished. No-one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed’.
Article 2(2) of the Charter is based on that provision.

3. The provisions of Article 2 of the Charter correspond to those of the above Articles of the ECHR and its Protocol. They have the same meaning and the same scope, in accordance with Article 53(3) of the Charter. Therefore, the ‘negative’ definitions appearing in the ECHR must be regarded as also forming part of the Charter:

a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

* in defence of any person from lawful violence;
* in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;
* in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’

b) Article 2 of the Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such a penalty shall be applied only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’.

[steevo]

b) Article 2 of the Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such a penalty shall be applied only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’.


That bit would probably explain why they called the post 911 events a "WAR on terror". I heard Obama recently refer to "the war" that we are fighting right now (meaning the war against terror and everything that it entails).

[nialldabass]

And this part

Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

* in defence of any person from lawful violence;
* in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;
* in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’

So once youve been arrested for not taking your shots , they can kill you if you try to run away, or turn your peacefull protest, through provocoteurs, into a riot and then kill you , all legally

[secret66mechanism]

we have aloud these people the power of playing god,:mad: