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soothseeker

27-09-2009, 05:18 PM

Personally I believe Cropcircles are made by both men and ET's but I thought it may be a good idea to start a thread on why people make them.

What are the objectives of man made crop circles? What do people hope to achieve?

funkyjesus

27-09-2009, 07:46 PM

who elsie

27-09-2009, 08:39 PM

I saw a video posted on this forum yesterday, I think the title of the thread was "2009 crop circles" or something, that featured not only the usual crop circles with the flattened crops, but designs that seemed to feature inter-woven knots and who knows what else.

I can't believe humans stomped that our in 4 hours during the night. It looks like it would take days to do, during the day, with full permission given.

I want to read more about these circles that are alleged to feature some coded message but i can't find much in the way of info on them.

Thanks funky - that was my vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceZqtmmOU5U

Yes, for me, it's the level of detail that normally goes unnoticed by the casual observer that suggests more than just guys drunk on cider, flattening crops with planks of wood - at least for many of them.

Some crop circles definitely are man-made, but they are usually the least impressive ones, unless done under controlled conditions over a long period of time. Their motivation for doing it has probably changed over the years, but there seems to be a concerted effort by many of them to big-up their 'art', as there now seems to be the financial incentive of doing company logos for big corporations and doing guest slots on tv documentaries etc. Unfortunately, the media all to readily accepts their ludicrous claims that they made them all.

As for the genuinely mysterious ones, we can only speculate as to the reason that they are made. Having visited a number, myself, I feel they have a certain energy about them - most people feel this is positive, but some negative. This may be directed at us or even the earth itself. Either way, I think they encourage us to ask questions - and that can only be a good thing.

Peace :)

citroen999

27-09-2009, 11:11 PM

killuminati18

27-09-2009, 11:55 PM

Why do people make crop circles?? well..why did somebody write the bible? why do new age wankers talk about love? etc etc etc.

MONEY.

soothseeker

28-09-2009, 04:08 PM

While I accept money can be made from doing company logo's I fail to see how money was made when the phenomena was first documented in history, especially in the 1970's when it was only just starting to gain the attention of the public.

The first recorded reports of crop circles (I can find) date from 815 AD from Lyon in France. Any explanation for why people create them should apply to these very early circles as well:

One of the earliest reports was in Lyon in 815AD, and a late 16th Century woodcut depicts the devil mowing a field into patterns. They began to appear in significant numbers in the fields of southern England in the mid-1970s. Early circles were quite simple, and simply appeared, overnight, in fields of wheat, rape, oat, and barley. The crops are flattened, the stalks bent but not broken.

In my search and research for them during that period of time I uncovered a mention of them in early French literature (800 AD). The bishop of Lyon at that time had written to the local parish priest who was taking over his parish just outside Lyon. The contents of the manuscript were basically to warn the new priest that there had been "devil worship" by his local parishioners who were collecting seeds out of "flattened circles" and using them for fertility rites. I spoke to quite a few farmers who remembered seeing "odd shapes" in their fields or their parent's fields when they themselves were young but no real proof. I uncovered information from a second world war pilot who had been returning to RAF Tangmeir after an aerial reconnaissance mission over Germany, as he approached the grass runway at his base he saw two flattened circles in the nearby growing cereal crop and photographed them not knowing what they were.

I tried in vain to locate these two black and white photographs which the pilot remembered were handed on the aerial reconnaissance film but once again to no avail. The pilot remembers seeing the film with the German aerial photographs and the two Crop Circles on it which were sent to the Air Ministry Intelligence at Whitehall.
Is there any plankers on this forum, would love to hear from the horses mouth the reasons why you create crop circles.

erthiz

28-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Ive always wondered why people do this, media attention? even if they never get found out as the person who did it, the media are still being drawn to their artwork, crop circle artwork :)

Personally, i believe both humans and ets do it. Many crop circles i think are too perfect to be created by humans with a couple of boards on their feet :) but some are man-made.

shipoffools

28-09-2009, 08:11 PM

Book Sales - dvd sales - fees for talks - Not the people that make the circles, the people that make money from them.

Art, Challenge,

Why do people climb mountains? Walk to the north pole? sail single handed round the world? make music? Sculpture? Why?

shipoffools

28-09-2009, 08:21 PM

The first recorded reports of crop circles (I can find) date from 815 AD from Lyon in France. Any explanation for why people create them should apply to these very early circles as well:
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Any info on whether these early ones were just plain circles - like they were here for a long time before we got the progressively more artistic ones?

Because if the 'forces' that made or are still making them are using the same 'advanced' technology to produce them, then either their 'technology' was less advanced then? Or the circles were? If so - why? What would be the point of an advanced alien species improving their advanced crop circle making technology?

Also - light energy beams - if they make them all - why are they improving their light beam skills now to produce better field art now? why not do it 1000years ago instead of 10 or 20?

Same would have to then be asked of the intelligence behind other theories too one would assume? - as to why they have made improvements...

majorlee

29-09-2009, 12:48 AM

i have been to man made circles before

they were raising money for the local church!

was not a very good circle tho, u can really tell when man made ;)

crop circles have been happeneing for a long time too, not just recently

maybe the designers waqnted to start a craze first before they started giving real big messages out, but the smallest/simple circle can be a message too, does not have to be amazingly complicated imo

lets look at where, when and why they were formed

shipoffools

29-09-2009, 08:21 AM

crop circles have been happeneing for a long time too, not just recently
maybe the designers waqnted to start a craze first before they started giving real big messages out, but the smallest/simple circle can be a message too, does not have to be amazingly complicated imo

And that`s the best you can come up with?

Any info on whether these early ones were just plain circles - like they were here for a long time before we got the progressively more artistic ones?

Because if the 'forces' that made or are still making them are using the same 'advanced' technology to produce them, then either their 'technology' was less advanced then? Or the circles were? If so - why? What would be the point of an advanced alien species improving their advanced crop circle making technology?

Also - light energy beams - if they make them all - why are they improving their light beam skills now to produce better field art now? why not do it 1000years ago instead of 10 or 20?

Same would have to then be asked of the intelligence behind other theories too one would assume? - as to why they have made improvements...

erthiz

29-09-2009, 01:51 PM

Hey people

Ive been looking at some sites for information on crop circles this morning. An interesting site is -

http://www.philipcoppens.com/cc_timewave.html

The author states-
"Thus, whether signs of the Second Coming, or the Coming of the Saucers – whether an alien invasion or friendly contact – Christians and UFOlogists alike interpret these signs, whether in the skies or in the fields, as the precursor for a major event. "

The major event?...2012? I dont know whats going to happen on 2012, end of the world? polar shift? i dont know, but it could be major.

Also-

"One crop circle looks like our solar system in every detail, except that the Earth is missing"

Makes you think... :)

Im not sure why crop circles have become more and more complex, maybe they have got better technology, maybe, as we approach 2012, the messages are becoming more informational, hence, more complex?

In my opinion, ET's do make most of the crop circles that we see every day, but i also believe hoaxers play a big part. Crop-circles that hoaxers have made would obviously get more complex overtime because people would get better at doing it, but then you look at a crop circle like the milk hill one and i dont think a person(s) could make one that complex in just 4 hours! :) You could never make such a huge crop circle that is so perfectly symmetrical.

Take 5 minutes to look at this website-
http://www.milkhill-revealed.com/

Neil Hudson Newman believes the milk hill crop circle defined a range of accurate details about the events of 9/11: its date; the geographical coordinates of the respective attack sites and their precise relationship to the circle's centre; together with other data that pertains to the four flights involved.

Well worth a look.

soothseeker

29-09-2009, 01:53 PM

Any info on whether these early ones were just plain circles - like they were here for a long time before we got the progressively more artistic ones?

All of the sources I've found so far suggest they were simple circles.

Because if the 'forces' that made or are still making them are using the same 'advanced' technology to produce them, then either their 'technology' was less advanced then? Or the circles were? If so - why? What would be the point of an advanced alien species improving their advanced crop circle making technology?

The same technology can be used to produce both one circle or a complex geometrical design. Just as a plank can be used to produce one simple circle or a multitude of complex circles (Minus the complexities in the weave :)).

Also - light energy beams - if they make them all - why are they improving their light beam skills now to produce better field art now? why not do it 1000years ago instead of 10 or 20?

Same as above, although it can be argued that technology does not stay still and increases with age, as does intelligence (most of the time).

Same would have to then be asked of the intelligence behind other theories too one would assume? - as to why they have made improvements...

Absolutely, and one could speculate by initially producing a simple circle, it gets our attention. Then gradually increasing the complexity, we can establish a common language.

Now imagine creating for the first time a crop formation over one mile long, that's so complex it simply blows you away. Now if this was done in the 1600 hundreds it would most probably cause the people to attribute it to divine powers (God or the Devil). Now if your only interested in initiating a conversation as an equal and fellow member of the Universe, this would probably be one of the last effects you would want your attempt at contact to produce. Especially if you had just witnessed the last couple of millenniums worth of damage the last contact had inflicted upon man after you were mistaken as a God / Gods!

The reports of “devil worship” or fertility rituals being conducted in and around the first documented crop circles may support the above. After the circle makers noticed the effects they were having, decided to leave it for a few hundred years in the hope the next attempt would be meet with people who had a more logical and scientific outlook.

Of course the above is complete speculation but so is saying all crop formations are made by man.

erthiz

29-09-2009, 02:31 PM

Good job man :)

shipoffools

29-09-2009, 04:55 PM

re-soothseeker

Quote:
Originally Posted by shipoffools
Any info on whether these early ones were just plain circles - like they were here for a long time before we got the progressively more artistic ones?

All of the sources I've found so far suggest they were simple circles.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED

Quote:
Originally Posted by shipoffools
Because if the 'forces' that made or are still making them are using the same 'advanced' technology to produce them, then either their 'technology' was less advanced then? Or the circles were? If so - why? What would be the point of an advanced alien species improving their advanced crop circle making technology?

The same technology can be used to produce both one circle or a complex geometrical design. Just as a plank can be used to produce one simple circle or a multitude of complex circles (Minus the complexities in the weave ).

SO IF IT ONLY TAKES A FEW SECONDS OR MINUTES TO PRODUCE WHATEVER CIRCLE/ART - THEN WHY NOT PRODUCE SOME NICE ART EVERY TIME INSTEAD OF A BORING CIRCLE?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shipoffools
Also - light energy beams - if they make them all - why are they improving their light beam skills now to produce better field art now? why not do it 1000years ago instead of 10 or 20?

Same as above, although it can be argued that technology does not stay still and increases with age, as does intelligence (most of the time).

YES - BUT THEY (WHOEVER THEY MAY BE) HAD THE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY OVER 1000 YEARS AGO - AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT JUST 20 YEARS AGO THEY FOUND A WAY TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE COMPLEX - AND NOW HAVE IMPROVED AGAIN RECENTLY AND CONTINUE TO DO SO?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shipoffools
Same would have to then be asked of the intelligence behind other theories too one would assume? - as to why they have made improvements...

Absolutely, and one could speculate by initially producing a simple circle, it gets our attention. Then gradually increasing the complexity, we can establish a common language.

GRADUALLY INCREASING IN COMPLEXITY (?!) THAT MUST BE THE UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT - YOU ARE SAYING THAT MORE THAN 1000 YEARS AGO THEY (?!) THOUGHT THEY WOULD 'WET OUR APETITES' BY USING THEIR ADVANCED TECH TO PRODUCE A SIMPLE CIRCLE - THEN 1200 YEARS LATER START TO GIVE US SOME NICE PICTURES, DESIGNS PATTERNS AND SYMBOLS. IS THAT SO? MMM... LONG TERM PLAN THEN

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YOU WENT ON TO SAY:
Now imagine creating for the first time a crop formation over one mile long, that's so complex it simply blows you away. Now if this was done in the 1600 hundreds it would most probably cause the people to attribute it to divine powers (God or the Devil). Now if your only interested in initiating a conversation as an equal and fellow member of the Universe, this would probably be one of the last effects you would want your attempt at contact to produce. Especially if you had just witnessed the last couple of millenniums worth of damage the last contact had inflicted upon man after you were mistaken as a God / Gods!

SO - JUST TO BE STRAIGHT, THEY IMAGINED (THE ALIENS/LIGHT/ENERGY/ETC.) THAT CIRCLES WOULD BE THE THING, JUST TO GET THE CONVERSATIONAL JUICES FLOWING BACK IN THE DARK AGES. WITHOUT GOING OVER THE TOP - SPEAKING OF WHICH - NO HELICOPTERS EITHER, SO THE FULL PICTURE WOULD NEVER REALLY HAVE BEEN SEEN, OR CAMERAS EVEN IF THEY COULD FLY. YES - BEST THING (THEY) COULD DO WAS TO MAKE A CIRCLE - I SEE THAT NOW.

The reports of “devil worship” or fertility rituals being conducted in and around the first documented crop circles may support the above. After the circle makers noticed the effects they were having, decided to leave it for a few hundred years in the hope the next attempt would be meet with people who had a more logical and scientific outlook.

RIGHT SO - THE CIRCLES DID NOT WORK AS DESIRED BACK THEN - SO 'THEY' THOUGHT THAT 'THEY' WOULD LEAVE IT THOUSAND YEARS OR SO, JUST MAKING THE OCCASIONAL CIRCLE NOW AND AGAIN TO 'TEST THE WATER'. RIGHT UP UNTIL AROUND 20 YEARS AGO IN FACT, WHEN 'THEY' FINALLY FELT THAT WE HAD MATURED ENOUGH (ONLY US IN THE UK MIND YOU - THE REST OF THE WORLD IS STILL NOT READY) TO LEARN FROM GREATLY MORE ARTISTIC DESIGNS.

Of course the above is complete speculation but so is saying all crop formations are made by man.

OF COURSE -
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ANYONE ELSE IN ON THIS? JOIN IN PLEASE...

shipoffools

29-09-2009, 05:05 PM

In my opinion, ET's do make most of the crop circles that we see every day,
.

Even the most hardened researcher admits that 80% of all crop circles are man made. That fact alone should be accepted by now.

who elsie

29-09-2009, 08:45 PM

Even the most hardened researcher admits that 80% of all crop circles are man made. That fact alone should be accepted by now.

Colin Andrews may have muttered something like that once and maybe Nick Pope (but he certainly doesn't count as a serious crop circle researcher!) but it's certainly not true of the researchers that I've met. If they put a figure on it, it would probably be more like 20% known manmade, 80% unknown origin.

jamesc

29-09-2009, 09:41 PM

Colin Andrews may have muttered something like that once and maybe Nick Pope (but he certainly doesn't count as a serious crop circle researcher!) but it's certainly not true of the researchers that I've met. If they put a figure on it, it would probably be more like 20% known manmade, 80% unknown origin.

There speaks a dude fro experience in his meetings with serious researchers.You and the researchers you have met are the ones people should be listing too :)

majorlee

30-09-2009, 01:06 AM

And that`s the best you can come up with?

Any info on whether these early ones were just plain circles - like they were here for a long time before we got the progressively more artistic ones?

Because if the 'forces' that made or are still making them are using the same 'advanced' technology to produce them, then either their 'technology' was less advanced then? Or the circles were? If so - why? What would be the point of an advanced alien species improving their advanced crop circle making technology?

Also - light energy beams - if they make them all - why are they improving their light beam skills now to produce better field art now? why not do it 1000years ago instead of 10 or 20?

Same would have to then be asked of the intelligence behind other theories too one would assume? - as to why they have made improvements...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

1678 pamphlet on the "Mowing-Devil"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Diablefaucheur.jpg/445px-Diablefaucheur.jpg

sometimes the answer does not have to be complicated!

i just go with what i feel sorry!

majorlee

30-09-2009, 01:10 AM

Even the most hardened researcher admits that 80% of all crop circles are man made. That fact alone should be accepted by now.

i dont do facts!

i make up my own mind and use my judgments to the best of my abilities, never believing what i am told i guess

damn if 80% then some of those guys deserve awards for those designs and effort!

shipoffools

30-09-2009, 06:08 PM

i dont do facts!

i make up my own mind and use my judgments to the best of my abilities, never believing what i am told i guess

damn if 80% then some of those guys deserve awards for those designs and effort!

They sure do!

shipoffools

30-09-2009, 06:17 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

1678 pamphlet on the "Mowing-Devil"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Diablefaucheur.jpg/445px-Diablefaucheur.jpg

sometimes the answer does not have to be complicated!

i just go with what i feel sorry!

So all that proves is that back then - a simple circle was believed by the backwards yokels of the time to have been 'made by the devil' Nowdays we would laugh at this because we are an educated bunch aren`t we?

Is there a believer out there who thinks that the newer complicated patterns are the work of - 'THE DEVIL'

I wouldn`t be shocked to find a couple out there...

No - these days we are so 'educated' that we can conjure up all sorts of fanciful explanations as to how they are produced, and the evidence to support our beliefs too.

It is quite sad in a way - what you have done is proven that some people have not moved on since the middle ages - still with a belief in superstition, all be it new ones.

jamesc

30-09-2009, 06:53 PM

So all that proves is that back then - a simple circle was believed by the backwards yokels of the time to have been 'made by the devil' Nowdays we would laugh at this because we are an educated bunch aren`t we?

Is there a believer out there who thinks that the newer complicated patterns are the work of - 'THE DEVIL'

I wouldn`t be shocked to find a couple out there...

No - these days we are so 'educated' that we can conjure up all sorts of fanciful explanations as to how they are produced, and the evidence to support our beliefs too.

It is quite sad in a way - what you have done is proven that some people have not moved on since the middle ages - still with a belief in superstition, all be it new ones.

You repeatedly ignore findings from serious investigators that have studied a lot of formations that have shown no apparent signs of human origins in their formation.Now how can one even begin to have any kind of level playing field with a person that will not look or except all the evidence.

You talk of superstitions and try to label that tag on even the investigators themselves who are in a much better position of expertise , on sight field inspections and judgements than you are.:rolleyes: Given these facts one can only come to this conclusion , you are in fact seriously deluded that anyone can take you seriously or trust your judgements on this subject for the reasons i have stated in this post.

I ask you again, how can these circle makers leave radiation traces in some formations, elongated crop stems that are the result of the crop stems of the formations being subjected to high microwave heat or energy.Then there is the formations that are not only complex but huge in scale and design.:confused:Then there is the small matter of the windows of time or time scales that are to be consider here.The formations that are very complex in design and huge in the area they cover and the time frames that would allow for people to do them need to be realistic here.

All the process of organisation that would be needed to successfully and with pin point accuracy complete these highly complex formations DO NOT MATCH UP IN A LOT OF COMPLEX FORMATIONS.:cool:

liltroofer

30-09-2009, 07:08 PM

hm, jamesc makes a good point actually.

how do we explain those things? if it's humans, it must be a technology that leaves no trace of human involvement - advanced or primitive.

shipoffools

30-09-2009, 11:54 PM

You repeatedly ignore findings from serious investigators that have studied a lot of formations that have shown no apparent signs of human origins in their formation.Now how can one even begin to have any kind of level playing field with a person that will not look or except all the evidence.

??? you mean ACCEPT all of what??? your crap or common sense???

You talk of superstitions and try to label that tag on even the investigators themselves who are in a much better position of expertise ,

NO ! On the many numerous varied different so called theories - you do realise that you have no more relevant an opinion than the fairy theory???

on sight field inspections and judgements than you are.:rolleyes: Given these facts one can only come to this conclusion , you are in fact seriously deluded

See - that IS where we differ my friend - I believe otherwise...

that anyone can take you seriously or trust your judgements on this subject for the reasons i have stated in this post.

The same rubbish then...

I ask you again, how can these circle makers leave radiation traces in some formations, elongated crop stems that are the result of the crop stems of the formations being subjected to high microwave heat or energy.Then there is the formations that are not only complex but huge in scale and design.:confused:Then there is the small matter of the windows of time or time scales that are to be consider here.The formations that are very complex in design and huge in the area they cover and the time frames that would allow for people to do them need to be realistic here.

This is all in your mind - you believe timings - methods - theories - as yet all very much only 'proven' in your own mind (or what you have been programmed to believe)

All the process of organisation that would be needed to successfully and with pin point accuracy complete these highly complex formations DO NOT MATCH UP IN A LOT OF COMPLEX FORMATIONS.:cool:

In YOUR belief system only - don`t you get it? you can talk until you are blue in the face - (you have) but it is your (and a handful`s) belief - you have fallen for the bullshit. Sorry my old fruit, but I need more than just bullshit before I will subscribe to anything that convinces me so easily...

shipoffools

01-10-2009, 12:03 AM

who elsie

01-10-2009, 12:05 AM

In YOUR belief system only - don`t you get it? you can talk until you are blue in the face - (you have) but it is your (and a handful`s) belief - you have fallen for the bullshit. Sorry my old fruit, but I need more than just bullshit before I will subscribe to anything that convinces me so easily...

Well the planksters certainly provide plenty of it, and you seem to have fallen for that - hook, line & sinker!

shipoffools

01-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Well the planksters certainly provide plenty of it, and you seem to have fallen for that - hook, line & sinker!

A common garden, every day, simple, - simple, -simple, - simple, explanation that simply will not fit in with your belief system...

If I had a fishing rod - you would be the first thing i would catch...

who elsie

01-10-2009, 12:29 AM

A common garden, every day, simple, - simple, -simple, - simple, explanation that simply will not fit in with your belief system...

If I had a fishing rod - you would be the first thing i would catch...

Oh, you're so tiresome! I have no existing belief system regarding crop circles. It's called being OPEN-MINDED. However, you quite clearly do. You clearly believe that all crop circles are made by planksters, and you believe that any other explanation is impossible.

If the whole mystery was PROVED to be just planksters and nothing more, I would take my hat off to them. But there is no proof, not even good evidence that they could have made certain formations. So until I see it, I remain OPEN-MINDED.

shipoffools

01-10-2009, 08:16 AM

Oh, you're so tiresome! I have no existing belief system regarding crop circles. It's called being OPEN-MINDED. However, you quite clearly do. You clearly believe that all crop circles are made by planksters, and you believe that any other explanation is impossible.

If the whole mystery was PROVED to be just planksters and nothing more, I would take my hat off to them. But there is no proof, not even good evidence that they could have made certain formations. So until I see it, I remain OPEN-MINDED.

Clearly - they make 80% of them - the others I am reasonably open minded about. I will not just believe any old crap as a theory though. So if you say it was gnomes...

who elsie

01-10-2009, 07:14 PM

Clearly - they make 80% of them - the others I am reasonably open minded about. I will not just believe any old crap as a theory though. So if you say it was gnomes...

Well I'm glad you're open-minded about at least 20% of them, which just goes to show there IS an element of mystery about the whole thing.

I too won't just believe any old crap. I want to see evidence for that too, whether it be aliens, fairies, gnomes or whatever, but in terms of witness testimony the most convincing evidence is the numerous and frequent sightings of orbs in and around many formations, not to mention the numbers of witnesses that have actually seen the circles form in a very short time, with orbs present. What the origin of theses orbs is I can only speculate, but it does not necessarily mean they are ET. It may be a technology or a phenomena we do not know enough about yet, but unless we remain open-minded, we will never know.

shipoffools

01-10-2009, 08:10 PM

Well I'm glad you're open-minded about at least 20% of them, which just goes to show there IS an element of mystery about the whole thing.

I too won't just believe any old crap. I want to see evidence for that too, whether it be aliens, fairies, gnomes or whatever, but in terms of witness testimony the most convincing evidence is the numerous and frequent sightings of orbs in and around many formations, not to mention the numbers of witnesses that have actually seen the circles form in a very short time, with orbs present. What the origin of theses orbs is I can only speculate, but it does not necessarily mean they are ET. It may be a technology or a phenomena we do not know enough about yet, but unless we remain open-minded, we will never know.

Ok - I`ll talk about the 20% then - What do you think?

Give me your best theory ok - and I`ll really look into what you have to say ok. No shit. I am open minded or I wouldn`t be here.

So , lets start fresh old sport...

who elsie

01-10-2009, 11:31 PM

Ok - I`ll talk about the 20% then - What do you think?

Give me your best theory ok - and I`ll really look into what you have to say ok. No shit. I am open minded or I wouldn`t be here.

So , lets start fresh old sport...

Thanx for your open-mindedness and willingness to look at the 'mystery' aspect of the crop circle phenomena.

I hate to disappoint you, but I don't have any specific theory that explains everything. There is just no overwhelming evidence that one can draw a conclusion from that they all originate from 'a' or 'b' or whatever. I tend to lean towards a number of different phenomena being somehow involved: one is, of course, the planksters, another is secret military technology, involving microwave/lazer technnology or masers, that could certainly explain how it is possible for them to be formed with no trace of human interaction overnight, but for me, doesn't explain everything. The other or others are a real mystery, but seems to be linked to the orbs or light phenomena.

The most important evidence has to be from eye-witnesses. Unfortunately there are not that many that have witnessed the formation of a crop circle (about 24 on record), but all describe very similar phenomena. Here is a link with some that I could find, unfortunately not from UK, but still valid.

http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness.php

This video also gives some good background info on the sightings of orbs in relation to crop circles and some of the scientific tests that have been done on crops where this phenomena has been witnessed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLvq73TX94

Also, here is a good article that gives the factual info on crop circles as we have it - including details of an astonishing crop circle that appeared in daylight hours in full view of visitors at Stonehenge, in a 45 minute window!

http://www.swirlednews.com/crop.asp

It's really then up to you to research further and draw your own conclusions.

Peace!

shipoffools

02-10-2009, 05:09 PM

Looking at your stuff...

soothseeker

02-10-2009, 07:21 PM

Glad to see we're all open minded on this one (it's the only way to be when confronted with a phenomena we have no absolutely certain answers to).

I agree with many of the points raised above and also agree there is only one certain answer to the origins of a percentage of the circles, and that's man made, with planks. I'm open minded to the possibility of the military using advanced tech to create them as well. This could explain a number of the more complex formations as I've seen no evidence plankers have both the ability or expertise to create them.

This may or may not leave a percentage of formations unaccounted for. Who or what could be creating these formations I could only speculate on.

I'm still very interested in knowing why plankers are creating cropcircles and would love to hear from anyone who as idea. I would also like to hear peoples ideas as to why the military may be covertly creating them as well.

camreeno

04-10-2009, 07:07 AM

Why do peope make them? Because they don't.