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rwederfoort
24-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Ask yourself this: What God would

i create man with all his weaknesses, and

ii create temptations which are virtually irresistible because of those weaknesses, and then,

iii create a Hell in which to punish those who transgress his rules (which are broken by succumbing to those temptations which he himself has created)?

The answer can only be: An evil, exploitative demigod would!

This system in which True Beings are trapped is a no-win situation for the True Beings of Light. The quicker it is destroyed the better, for the longer it exists the more energy is exploited from the True Beings and the more they are spiritually damaged, even when they take strict precautions and great measures to protect themselves on this level.

And so there seemed little any one individual could do against the might of the churches. In 1856, the Syllabus of Errors and the encyclical "Quanta Cura" of Pope Pius IX denounced unrestricted liberty of speech and freedom of the press as well as rejecting the concept of equal status for all religions. The proponents of freedom of conscience and freedom of religions were also denounced, as well as those who asserted that the church may not use force to get its way. In 1864 the Syllabus Errorum issued by Pope Pius IX condemned Liberalism, Socialism, and Rationalism. Such was the temporal worth of the clergy that a priestly vocation in the old days was equivalent to the family finding a gold mine. And the power, authority, security and wealth that the vocation would bring, not only to the individual but to his family and friends alike was immense. Institutionalised religion arose out of the efforts of the evil demiurge to exploit the Divine-inspired urge of True Beings which prompted them to seek their path back to the Divine essence.

The cruel, sadistic, arrogant and egotistical Yaldabaoth (Jehovah) of the Bible is not the True God. It was he who exclaimed (in Exodus): "Thou Shalt have no other gods before me.... for I am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me!!"

Not very forgiving, is he? And why would anyone hate him if he was the True God? The True "God" cannot be jealous. He is Omnipotent and sustains his creation with True Love, not with threats. But the False god of this material Universe known by various names including Demigod, the Demiurgos, the Usurper, Rex Mundi, YHWH, Jehovah, Samael, Saklas, Fool, threatens with violence and abuse, with punishment, instant death, and eternal damnation. At other times he is full of hatred, anger, jealousy, vindictiveness and bloodthirstiness.

These are not the qualities of a god but of a ghoul!! His Bible is full of threats and punishment :

Punishment: Genesis 4:14 onward; Matthew 25:46; Violence and Damnation in Hell as in Mark 9: 42 onward; Anger and Jealousy in Psalm 79:5; in Deuteronomy 32:16; in Exodus 20:5, 34:14; Nahum 1:2; Bloodthirstiness as in Ezekiel 3:18; in Exodus 29:16. Even the New Testament ends with threats: "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part of the book of life, etc." Revelation 22:18-19.

Real Inquisition stuff, is it not?!!

The Bible was written, not by the Divine Inspiration of the Real God, but by men under the guidance of the Evil Demiurge, often borrowing half-truths in order to compile complete lies. How often have you really thought that life on this plane is truly ridiculous and the god in control is truly uncaring or crazy? Many have mocked him and said he was dead. Others have simply refused to believe in him, saying no superior consciousness could be so heartless as to allow such evil to continue. With the knowledge of the evil demiurge's malignant rebellion the answer is now obvious as to why there is so much cruelty and why life on this plane appears so senseless.



THE CONFUSION OF THIS PLANE

The god of the Bible has created the confusion of this plane and all the Maya. As well as emotional exploitation and hatred, this plane is run on ignorance, deception, confusion and stupidity. These result in the Maya so often referred to by Divine Beings.

When the Truth is revealed to people, many cannot comprehend it, for it is too far removed from that which they have accepted as Truth. Many have forgotten so much they accept this existence as the only reality! The method of running this level has been a cunning way of keeping the inhabitants trapped in ignorance. The focus on this plane is very much on distractions which are meaningless to the True Being and are grossly deleterious to His spiritual well-being. Hence, the pursuits of physical gratifications via the senses with food, sex, wealth, power, etc. are all spiritually meaningless. The need to spend so much time of one's day attending to even the basic needs of the body is also very much on purpose in order to conceal the truth of things. Thus, needing to wash, groom, feed, clothe, etc. take up so much time that for many they become an end purpose. People then become oblivious to other more important needs. Even sleep, relaxation and search for pleasure have been made into art forms by some and they distract the being and focus almost entirely on the physical aspect of existence.

But most True Beings, who have not sold out completely to evil and its ploys, sense the uselessness of all these time-wasting pursuits and long for the real purposes of their existence which include:

1. Conscious communication with their Divine Source.

2. Nurturing by that Divine Source.

3. Expression of the Essences of that Divine Source.

4. Progression in the experimental work for that Divine Source.

5. Elevation of their consciousness to a higher level.

6. Experience of the increased joy and bliss of that elevated consciousness.

All True Beings yearn for an end to this sordid plane, but many cannot fully comprehend that this is what they seek. And because of the confusion thrust upon them, they interpret the yearning as an emotional non-fulfilment in their lives and as dissatisfaction. This can then manifest as anti-social behaviour, a sense of malcontentment, eccentricity and even rebelliousness. In truth, such behaviour is often due to subtle awareness of the evilness of this plane, to the wish to see it destroyed because of its evil exploitativeness, and also due to a yearning for the Divine Love and Divine Justice. This unrecognized yearning can lead some to try forms of escapism from this Hell. And these include the excesses of alcohol, drugs, sex, cults, etc.

Many enter a self-destructive circuit to try and end their confusion and to terminate their stay in this terrible place. They feel trapped and want to leave at any cost. The emotional exploitation they suffer is great indeed. Many actually become abusive towards "God". This is the way this evil system has trapped and exploited True Beings and severely drained them to the point of massive spiritual injury and even assassination. Jails are full of such True Beings who, being unable to cope with the confusion and evilness of this Earth, are programmed, trapped and exploited mercilessly by the system. All know of many cases of people being this way. Make no mistake about it, the ultimate aim of the system has been to trap and extract all the Divine energy from the True Beings. This system is a parasite on the Divine creation and that is why it needs to be totally destroyed. It causes unimaginable damage on those of a Divine nature. The True Beings who were trapped in this plane long ago or who have been kidnapped and transported from other planets and solar systems, and who are still spiritually viable need to connect to their Source and be sustained by it. Only in this way can sufficient strength be developed to see the traps and end the exploitation. They must see through the (Evil Illusion) of religion. With sufficient connection to the Source, one can tolerate this plane without falling into the traps or becoming overtly anti-social and suffering the punishments metered out, for in truth, this evil society is quick to seek retribution on the True Beings.

The demiurge's own mock beings seem to be able to get away with anything, including despicable Inquisitions, burning others at the stake, crucifying the ones they hate, physically and intellectually raping them, using abuse of all types, wrongfully incarcerating them till they rot, neglecting them till they die, etc. But the system will not be able to get away with its evil for much longer, nor will the god of the Bible who instigated it all. This is a statement of fact!




namaste

manxboz
24-09-2009, 09:13 PM
The temptastions we face we can all overcome The Lord doesn't give us anything we can't handel. He made humans with all the weeknesses as he had to go though it and he made it, so can we.

godgoo
24-09-2009, 09:28 PM
NO one said it was easy, just accept it. We can do wtf we want, its that simple. What does my head in is that people (true beings of light) are soft and cant appreciate the true nature of this system, it kills you. It gets windy, hails, snows and baking hot. everything has a mouth to feed, horn, hoofs or huge gapes with huge teeth and claws. Or maybe its just highly venomous. Alot of shit here to fuck you up, give you spasms with red ants on your face whilst its carnivoures are eating your legs off. face it, it isn't that sort of system here on earth, it is a gauntlet a gaunlet for survival and merciless selfish taking and plundering of thy fellow/other inhabitants, for the wealth of material (then thou hast plundered good and thy are a true taker with they powerful mastery of thy organic alloy) it's to the death, buddy get over it. Well not exactly to the death, but it was long before. It just a death place. choose a hard one ;)

godgoo
24-09-2009, 09:35 PM
NO one said it was easy, just accept it. We can do wtf we want, its that simple. What does my head in is that people (true beings of light) are soft and cant appreciate the true nature of this system, it kills you. It gets windy, hails, snows and baking hot. everything has a mouth to feed, horn, hoofs or huge gapes with huge teeth and claws. Or maybe its just highly venomous. Alot of shit here to fuck you up, give you spasms with red ants on your face whilst its carnivoures are eating your legs off. face it, it isn't that sort of system here on earth, it is a gauntlet a gaunlet for survival and merciless selfish taking and plundering of thy fellow/other inhabitants, for the wealth of material (then thou hast plundered good and thy are a true taker with they powerful mastery of thy organic alloy) it's to the death, buddy get over it. Well not exactly to the death, but it was long before. It just a death place. choose a hard one ;)

Only a GOD of sport would, no sport like, a game of death :) For the glory of god.

Hells bells and boukeysss!

tannah
24-09-2009, 11:56 PM
NO one said it was easy, just accept it. We can do wtf we want, its that simple. What does my head in is that people (true beings of light) are soft and cant appreciate the true nature of this system, it kills you. It gets windy, hails, snows and baking hot. everything has a mouth to feed, horn, hoofs or huge gapes with huge teeth and claws. Or maybe its just highly venomous. Alot of shit here to fuck you up, give you spasms with red ants on your face whilst its carnivoures are eating your legs off. face it, it isn't that sort of system here on earth, it is a gauntlet a gaunlet for survival and merciless selfish taking and plundering of thy fellow/other inhabitants, for the wealth of material (then thou hast plundered good and thy are a true taker with they powerful mastery of thy organic alloy) it's to the death, buddy get over it. Well not exactly to the death, but it was long before. It just a death place. choose a hard one ;)

In 1980 I saw this and told my inner spirit that I no longer wished to incarnate here. But it's slightly changed since then, because I later realized that Light is able to penetrate lower and lower levels.

This takes time for us, but no time whatsoever for God, who is Light.
By the light in us, there is a transformation of the level we are at. Words are neither here nor there. It's light that does the "talking". And so it motivates some to keep up with the discipline, meditation and opening up of latent conscious powers. Only those that have settled in their minds that this is for All, can really come to understand the light. Things do sort themselves out effortlessly.

linda28
25-09-2009, 12:24 AM
Ask yourself this: What God would

i create man with all his weaknesses, and

ii create temptations which are virtually irresistible because of those weaknesses, and then,

iii create a Hell in which to punish those who transgress his rules (which are broken by succumbing to those temptations which he himself has created)?

The answer can only be: An evil, exploitative demigod would!

It's the ego. The ego causes suffering. We have free will and always know what's right and wrong. We choose to do wrong, and it has consequences. If we do good things, it's very powerful and feels good. It's contagious and vibrates on a very high level.

Temptations are not from God in my opinion. This is why the Bible is very right actually when describing Satan. It gives us warnings of how we must defeat the devil because he is indeed real, unlike what most people like to believe. I used to laugh at people that said he was real, but now after some personal experiences and testimonies from people, I know they are so right.

We are a human race, the way we are, so why would the after-life, or heaven and hell be THAT much different from earth life (?) I mean, men fight over men always, so it's likely to think it was real that Satan got jealous of God, and has made it his mission of all eternity to destroy EVERYTHING God creates. If we look around, that's what we see isn't it? Look at people who do drugs, heroine - they want to get out, but they can't. Sounds similar to the hell we are warned about - that it's a endless nightmare and there is no way out.

Hell is a place without any light - and ONLY suffering. This is what Satan wants, so why say it's from God or blame God? Satan can not live in the light, why would God let him into the light?! Not fair. God is fair, and we can always trust him. That's a good thing to know.

Also, humans have free will, so it's not right to say that if we do bad things, it's God's fault. It makes sense actually that Satan can claim your soul when you only live by his will. Why would God want to spend eternity with satanic like humans? And remember that when God created humans he separated himself from them, so we are not like God. The bible warns against that, this is why the punishments happen - when humans try and become God, it totally fails.

You say the bible is evil and stuff, only with half truths - I used to believe that too, like so many others. But it is a very arrogant and ignorant perception. The Bible warns against deceptions and not putting up with bullshit from other people. The violence in the (old testament) bible - this was from a completely different age and time, so no wonder it was made into that.

No other person than Jesus really knew what he was talking about. Follow Jesus is my advice. He is powerful, deep, and speaks the truth. If you in your mind and soul think or feel something, he feels it too, I really get that now. You can never detach from universal will.

Temptations are not difficult to overcome if we WANT to. Why desire a life in destruction then? Love has no consequences, but destructive things has.

You also say that people in jail are true beings - I disagree with that. They are very primitive people who are stuck on the ego level - "if you hit me, I'll kill you" - the damage they did on others was their choice.

When people hate life so much they should try and make it better, not hurt other people. I believe we can get a much better life when doing good things to others.

godgoo
25-09-2009, 01:07 AM
One thing I have noticed about this place called earth. is that it actually exists. Which it should'nt, it should'nt be here. If we are these persons? Then by rationale this shit should'nt be here. So its' pretty obvious, that this is just a simulation.

But another thing I have noticed is the Ego of this place, just by looking at a lion not as a species with a job todo in an environmental web, but an expression of Ego, courage, power, etc. It shouldn't be here, only one thing is the reason. And that is the nature of the spirit energy here on this planet. So there must be an energy for each kingdom?

Anyway another thing to consider is that what ever created us, was playing with Dinosaurs before that big Alien rock, whiped the board? So It was never nice, it was worse, like a child playing war games. I think this could be a stage in development fromchild to adolescent and to adult? I think we will reach a higher state of being as the earth gets older and wiser?

But I think the plugg on the DS was pulled by ET's? I think ET's know of these places alot more than us. And it is this not species that they study? But they know and are concerned about what is being dumped into the vacuum?

I don't think GOD creates us, I think god is the creator of these place makers? And our relgion is just an echo of that, like free fall? And that the nature/natures of these siblings define the place. Onviously this place is one and many different things meaning it can change into anything, and make what it wants. But it has to get it right in order for it to work. Which takes years and years, which is evo. And obviously it has many personalities. But I also think that we may be far from god, and that we are to be added back to the ball of clay that is one and the same ball of clay. Its nothing, trust me. But EP is looking real for me now.

nambo
25-09-2009, 01:27 AM
Rwederfoort, If you are wanting to slander someone, (God), maybe you should do a bit of research first, like maybe read the whole Bible.

God made man perfect for his intended position in the grand scheme of things, however, there was a tree of Knowledge of Good and bad that God told us not to touch for he knew only a god would be strong enough to resist the temptations the knowledge of bad offers us.
Pandoras box might help you understand the concept.

Hell!, whats Hell?, whats "gay", something bright and happy, or a homosexual?, words can change and be changed in thier meaning.
If you read the warning God gave to not eat said tree, it wasnt that they would be tortured forever in burning fire, the modern word for Hell, it was that they would die, elsewhere in the Bible we are told that "dust we are, and to dust we will return", and that, "the dead are consious of nothing", the punishment we get for disobeying God is Hell, but the original meaning of Hell was hole in the ground, Hades, the grave, this is why in Revelation we are told that "Hell will be cast into the lake of fire", ie, Hell itself will be destroyed, and therefore, Hell cannot itself be "the lake of fire".

This "evil demigod", as you call him, has paid a great price to free us from the death sentance we took upon ourselves, would you die such a horrible death to save this "evil demigod"?

majorlee
25-09-2009, 02:29 AM
Rwederfoort, If you are wanting to slander someone, (God), maybe you should do a bit of research first, like maybe read the whole Bible.

God made man perfect for his intended position in the grand scheme of things, however, there was a tree of Knowledge of Good and bad that God told us not to touch for he knew only a god would be strong enough to resist the temptations the knowledge of bad offers us.
Pandoras box might help you understand the concept.

Hell!, whats Hell?, whats "gay", something bright and happy, or a homosexual?, words can change and be changed in thier meaning.
If you read the warning God gave to not eat said tree, it wasnt that they would be tortured forever in burning fire, the modern word for Hell, it was that they would die, elsewhere in the Bible we are told that "dust we are, and to dust we will return", and that, "the dead are consious of nothing", the punishment we get for disobeying God is Hell, but the original meaning of Hell was hole in the ground, Hades, the grave, this is why in Revelation we are told that "Hell will be cast into the lake of fire", ie, Hell itself will be destroyed, and therefore, Hell cannot itself be "the lake of fire".

This "evil demigod", as you call him, has paid a great price to free us from the death sentance we took upon ourselves, would you die such a horrible death to save this "evil demigod"?


i'm never sure if its the OP's own words or a quote from his favourite website..??

simple answer tho...

we were created with Free Will & Choice, in just the same way our creators were and so on


other wise we would just be like the rest of the robots, ie animals on this planet

amethyst
25-09-2009, 02:47 AM
It's the ego. The ego causes suffering. We have free will and always know what's right and wrong. We choose to do wrong, and it has consequences. If we do good things, it's very powerful and feels good. It's contagious and vibrates on a very high level.

Temptations are not from God in my opinion. This is why the Bible is very right actually when describing Satan. It gives us warnings of how we must defeat the devil because he is indeed real, unlike what most people like to believe. I used to laugh at people that said he was real, but now after some personal experiences and testimonies from people, I know they are so right.

We are a human race, the way we are, so why would the after-life, or heaven and hell be THAT much different from earth life (?) I mean, men fight over men always, so it's likely to think it was real that Satan got jealous of God, and has made it his mission of all eternity to destroy EVERYTHING God creates. If we look around, that's what we see isn't it? Look at people who do drugs, heroine - they want to get out, but they can't. Sounds similar to the hell we are warned about - that it's a endless nightmare and there is no way out.

Hell is a place without any light - and ONLY suffering. This is what Satan wants, so why say it's from God or blame God? Satan can not live in the light, why would God let him into the light?! Not fair. God is fair, and we can always trust him. That's a good thing to know.

Also, humans have free will, so it's not right to say that if we do bad things, it's God's fault. It makes sense actually that Satan can claim your soul when you only live by his will. Why would God want to spend eternity with satanic like humans? And remember that when God created humans he separated himself from them, so we are not like God. The bible warns against that, this is why the punishments happen - when humans try and become God, it totally fails.

You say the bible is evil and stuff, only with half truths - I used to believe that too, like so many others. But it is a very arrogant and ignorant perception. The Bible warns against deceptions and not putting up with bullshit from other people. The violence in the (old testament) bible - this was from a completely different age and time, so no wonder it was made into that.

No other person than Jesus really knew what he was talking about. Follow Jesus is my advice. He is powerful, deep, and speaks the truth. If you in your mind and soul think or feel something, he feels it too, I really get that now. You can never detach from universal will.

Temptations are not difficult to overcome if we WANT to. Why desire a life in destruction then? Love has no consequences, but destructive things has.

You also say that people in jail are true beings - I disagree with that. They are very primitive people who are stuck on the ego level - "if you hit me, I'll kill you" - the damage they did on others was their choice.

When people hate life so much they should try and make it better, not hurt other people. I believe we can get a much better life when doing good things to others.

Hell is a place without any light - and ONLY suffering. This is what Satan wants, so why say it's from God or blame God? Satan can not live in the light, why would God let him into the light?! Not fair. God is fair, and we can always trust him. That's a good thing to know.

Good point. Satan can't live in the light. He lost his light when he tried to take over God's place...now he has to "fake" it and LIE to all those so called "illuminated ones"....and he will just keep stringing them along, promising them more "enlightenment" UNTIL they are of no use to him anymore, and then he will conveniently "ditch" them for more gullible suckers...

Yeah, that's a really great "god" :rolleyes: One you have to kill (sacrifice) others for and abuse your body for....wow, that's really great! :rolleyes:

Yeah, Satan is LAUGHING AT THEM right behind their backs cuz he knows he has sold them a bunch of bull crap and they are BUYING it....unfortunately.

nicolaj
25-09-2009, 02:51 AM
Good point. Satan can't live in the light. He lost his light when he tried to take over God's place...now he has to "fake" it and LIE to all those so called "illuminated ones"....and he will just keep stringing them along, promising them more "enlightenment" UNTIL they are of no use to him anymore, and then he will conveniently "ditch" them for more gullible suckers...

Yeah, that's a really great "god" :rolleyes: One you have to kill (sacrifice) others for and abuse your body for....wow, that's really great! :rolleyes:

Yeah, Satan is LAUGHING AT THEM right behind their backs cuz he knows he has sold them a bunch of bull crap and they are BUYING it....unfortunately.

and his demonic/aliens at least we know what happens to them in the end..

manxboz
25-09-2009, 02:53 AM
Yes they will be sent into the outer darkness where the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

majorlee
25-09-2009, 02:58 AM
i look forward to meeting the real Satan one day soon!!

i would give him a big hug, and tell him "i'm happy you were wrong!"

amethyst
25-09-2009, 03:06 AM
and his demonic/aliens at least we know what happens to them in the end..

The lake fire...it's in the abyss...bottomless pit...not a nice place.

I personally think this is one of the very reasons why they tried to contaminate the human race's DNA with their alien/demonic "seed"...Because they wanted to avoid having to go to that awful pit!

Perhaps they though that thier offspring, having some human genes and well as nephilim genes, that God might just overlook what they did....

tannah
25-09-2009, 04:12 AM
So basically, even though there's very good odds that there are other alien lifeforms in this universe, and that they may be way more advanced than us, they can only be demons right? Geez! Time for bed, wiff big smile on my face. Mind you, this is better than gourmlessly watching boring tv.:)

manxboz
25-09-2009, 04:18 AM
No i don't think demons are aliens, well some maybe but The Lord made the universe and placed many people in it. Yes some may be more advanced than us, some may not be. But The Lord has spoken to these people as well i believe, some may take it, others may be like us and split, others may reject it.

tannah
25-09-2009, 04:25 AM
No i don't think demons are aliens, well some maybe but The Lord made the universe and placed many people in it. Yes some may be more advanced than us, some may not be. But The Lord has spoken to these people as well i believe, some may take it, others may be like us and split, others may reject it.

I wrote a sci-fi bookwhere aliens did visit here, and pretended to be nice, but actually they wanted to instill a fake merging in us, by altering our history and manipulating our dna. But, the good ol Professor created a soup of frequencies that allowed us to see through their manipulation, and wake up just in time.

The reason I wrote that book is because I really don't like the "dearly beloved" channelled stuff that some come out with. As far as I'm concerned these channelled beings are not saying anything we haven't already got the potential to think for ourselves.

But if we think about it, the second wave of aliens in the bible are the good guys, come to kick the butt of the beasty aliens.