The system is going up in smoke

[baron von lotsov]

This crazy smoking ban will surely do it. Above all the shit in the papers this issue around here is red hot. Everyone is talking about it. More smokers and people were stood outside cursing the government than any other issue I have ever seen. I did my bit to tell the staff, one hippy was really angry and told me he worked for 'security'. I told him straight he is working for the government.

So tonight has been a bit of a turning point shall we say. For a while it had seemed that they should uphold the law and give people shit. Now the penny has dropped there will be outside seating fitted, a canopy in case it rains and a few global warming outside tabletop heaters. Also my friend is making up these tripped out banners to take the piss out of climate change. Mike Eavis loves them; he has them on the wall in his house and has been showing them around the world. I knew there was a hint of rebel in that man.

[cruise4]

What country are we talking about here?

In the UK this has been going on for while now. Funny little shelters aren't they. Ideal for 9/11 flyers amonst other things!

Mike Eavis organises Glastonbury doesn't he?

[seanx]

Don't know about UK, smoking ban in ireland - for the past 2 or 3
years have been a massive success.

I have no problem with smoking but what right have I to inflict
my 'smoke' on other people, especially the men and women who
have to work in pubs to make their living.

I mean you can drink all the alcholol you want - once you don't
drive you're only harming yourself - but smoking is like - pouring
drink down other people's throats whether they want it or not.

[lydia78]

This crazy smoking ban will surely do it. Above all the shit in the papers this issue around here is red hot. Everyone is talking about it. More smokers and people were stood outside cursing the government than any other issue I have ever seen. I did my bit to tell the staff, one hippy was really angry and told me he worked for 'security'. I told him straight he is working for the government.

So tonight has been a bit of a turning point shall we say. For a while it had seemed that they should uphold the law and give people shit. Now the penny has dropped there will be outside seating fitted, a canopy in case it rains and a few global warming outside tabletop heaters. Also my friend is making up these tripped out banners to take the piss out of climate change. Mike Eavis loves them; he has them on the wall in his house and has been showing them around the world. I knew there was a hint of rebel in that man.



LOL.....A hippy who was security??
Should've taken a photo!!!LOL:D


Yes, UK smoking ban came in June this yr (I think, don't go to pubs much)but it's no biggy.....like you said we have outside, prefer it tbh....dilutes the hangover smell of fags....urgh!!

[synergy777]

i'm sorry, but pubowners should have the choice to enforce it, or have the option for ventilation/smoking areas/rooms. i can understand not smoking in the eating area, but the rest of the pub, ffs. workers in pubs etc should see passive smoking as an occupational hazard. do you see road workers complaing about the fumes from the exhuasts of motor vehicles. the pub use to be a beacon of light, a refuge, a sanctuary of the masses. having a beer and bennie, is like fish and chips, a combo.

[cruise4]

This right to blow smoke in others faces... I agree with that. But I agreed with that before the ban. I never smoked where people eat and the bars I did visit everyone smoked. I'll even ask visitors if they mind me smoking in my own house. Its about having respect for others. Many people are pig ignorant but I'm sick of these blanket rules that cover everyone based usually on the actions of a few that aren't caught or disciplined.

[synergy777]

its the non thinking herd mantality that gives the elite the free rule it has. they will attack drink, you watch the taxes, public places being barred from serving drinks. you watch, the ban on drinking in public places is coming.

you get you deserve, they cry democracy whilst supporting fascist totalitarian measures, they support draconian laws that destroy personal liberties.

[december]

This crazy smoking ban will surely do it. Above all the shit in the papers this issue around here is red hot. Everyone is talking about it. More smokers and people were stood outside cursing the government than any other issue I have ever seen.

This is SO typical of the Brits... you sure do like to TALK, ARGUE, MAKE SILLY JOKES and COMPLAIN but you don't do anything...

And no wonder that those who run your country are so successful in keeping you in place because they know that the British people are soooo obedient.

:)

Now please return to your discussion but be sure to make a nothing-is-happening-everything-is-fine kind of face....

[baron von lotsov]

What country are we talking about here?

In the UK this has been going on for while now. Funny little shelters aren't they. Ideal for 9/11 flyers amonst other things!

Mike Eavis organises Glastonbury doesn't he?


We are talking literally a stones throw from where he runs his hippy farm every year. Now this town is earmarked for becoming the New Age capital of Blighty. Unfortunately for the system planners with their twee New Age nicy nicy music are finding people are rebelling against it. Last night was the complete opposite and it was packed out. I saw a few brainwashers trying to sell their philosophies but people were not taking any notice, its just too obviously fake. We had a Monmouth rebellion once upon a time; people down this way don't take this kind of shit.

[baron von lotsov]

This is SO typical of the Brits... you sure do like to TALK, ARGUE, MAKE SILLY JOKES and COMPLAIN but you don't do anything...

And no wonder that those who run your country are so successful in keeping you in place because they know that the British people are soooo obedient.

:)

Now please return to your discussion but be sure to make a nothing-is-happening-everything-is-fine kind of face....



That was not me. I kicked up a huge stink with this idiot government enforcer. I was there in front of others shouting at him to use his brain. He felt about 2 inches high after that. Now this venue is doing something. I agree you need to walk the walk and I do.

[lydia78]

[QUOTE=december;108185]This is SO typical of the Brits... you sure do like to TALK, ARGUE, MAKE SILLY JOKES and COMPLAIN but you don't do anything...

And no wonder that those who run your country are so successful in keeping you in place because they know that the British people are soooo obedient.

:)

Now please return to your discussion but be sure to make a nothing-is-happening-everything-is-fine kind of face....

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More british humour i'm afraid....sorry....been conditioned into it..:D

[cruise4]

Bit of a laugh that December... how long was Russia communist for?
What would be your advice on what we do then?

[cruise4]

Don't let him get to you. Putin's become a Gay Icon and he's somewhat confused just now. Plus they have drunk pilots missing the runway.

[cleft_asunder]

its the non thinking herd mantality that gives the elite the free rule it has. they will attack drink, you watch the taxes, public places being barred from serving drinks. you watch, the ban on drinking in public places is coming.

you get you deserve, they cry democracy whilst supporting fascist totalitarian measures, they support draconian laws that destroy personal liberties.

Haha, no it ain't. The Illuminati want the people to be alcoholics. I bet if the NWO were successful, they would still allow us prole-drink.

[baron von lotsov]

Haha, no it ain't. The Illuminati want the people to be alcoholics. I bet if the NWO were successful, they would still allow us prole-drink.


Yes but only if you 'behave'. Just imagine your ID card gets endorsed with 12 months of no drinking because of some minor offence that they have concocted.

[whitenight639]

Yes but only if you 'behave'. Just imagine your ID card gets endorsed with 12 months of no drinking because of some minor offence that they have concocted.

they have been talking of a drinking licence so i heard of a mate some time ago, control freak fachists.

[baron von lotsov]

So what are we going to do about this smoking ban?

Who still smokes in pubs here? Let us know what your experiences have been as I'm still trying to figure out the best course of action. One idea I had was to write to the head of the council who is a Tory (by a margin of one councillor!) and say to him the council should not police it. They should purposefully let the problem 'go out of control' and then claim they do not have the resources to deal with it. You know, like act dumb when talking to the central fascist government. What could the gov do if the local council stuck two fingers up at them?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

How about, during the winter, you smoke inside. When they have a fit, tell them it's too damn cold to be smoking outside.

And when they tell you too bad, you tell them that you can't drink without a smoke, so if you can't smoke, they loose a customer. What do you think of that?

[howie]

I was sickened to see how many people (especially staff) in the pubs so willing to surrender to the new law & enforce it for the government, these people are no different from those who went along with the nazis & reported people helping jews to hide.
Every time I'm forced outside now I can easily start up conversations about the police state & 9/11 with other victims of the ban, I've even been able to point out chemtrails as they are being sprayed across the sky but it won't last long, these people aren't going to be there standing out in the cold come November.

[baron von lotsov]

Right. I'm starting to hatch a plan. It's one of my more devious plans and it involves the council. What I need to know is what the control mechanism is between local councils and government, I need to know all about funding and what the government could do if the council sticks two fingers up at them.

I think it might work, we have a council that is almost entirely Liberal and Tory and the Tories are in a bullish mood after defeating plans the government had on scraping it and creating a gigantic EU regional NWO council instead. This plan might just work; it's to do with playing these Fabians at their own game.

Here is a taste of it, imagine the headlines in the paper "Council refuses to prosecute smokers" the head says our council is very people orientated and instead of spending the money on inspectors we helped Mrs little old lady move into a more comfortable home to help her with her arthritis and so on. Like a very British comedy where all the councillors are privately in on the joke but publicly they say the right things but with a hint of mischief at every turn. The public would lap it up and it would do more for democracy than anything we have seen.

Anything the government did like to take the council to court would have the full support of the people and a chasm would open up between local and national government. However I need to know what all the paperwork says and if I can figure out how to scam it then we could be on to a winner.

[whitenight639]

Right. I'm starting to hatch a plan. It's one of my more devious plans and it involves the council. What I need to know is what the control mechanism is between local councils and government, I need to know all about funding and what the government could do if the council sticks two fingers up at them.

I think it might work, we have a council that is almost entirely Liberal and Tory and the Tories are in a bullish mood after defeating plans the government had on scraping it and creating a gigantic EU regional NWO council instead. This plan might just work; it's to do with playing these Fabians at their own game.

Here is a taste of it, imagine the headlines in the paper "Council refuses to prosecute smokers" the head says our council is very people orientated and instead of spending the money on inspectors we helped Mrs little old lady move into a more comfortable home to help her with her arthritis and so on. Like a very British comedy where all the councillors are privately in on the joke but publicly they say the right things but with a hint of mischief at every turn. The public would lap it up and it would do more for democracy than anything we have seen.

Anything the government did like to take the council to court would have the full support of the people and a chasm would open up between local and national government. However I need to know what all the paperwork says and if I can figure out how to scam it then we could be on to a winner.


find out bout the law/ paper side of things then find the name of the top counciller and ring the local paper pretending to be him, give them the above story and watch it work!! if it gets support of the people mr counsiler isnt going to stand up and say no that wasnt me trying to help old ladies!!

[baron von lotsov]

I reckon I might even get the support of the man who runs the council. He's a Tory and they have won a big defeat over the government's plans to scrap the council. The Tories have the majority of 1 councillor and they obviously want to win back a lot of the seats they have just lost in the last election. He's very good at this kind of political cat and mouse kind of game so all he needs is a plan that will work. I need some legal brains on the case. Maybe someone on here knows how to fix it.

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=419880#post419880

[whitelightrabbit]

in canada it's been like that for a few years now, pub owners had to install 'smoking rooms' ventilated sectioned off rooms just for smokers. some pubs closed in their decks with plexiglass and put up outdoor heaters for smoking rooms. i find it nice as a non smoker to be able to go to the pub and not breathe in smoke. BUT...

they are talking about making all pubs non smoking period. its BS after those pub owners spent all that money providing smoking rooms. and it's up to the patrons anyway!

hitler instilled smoking bans in nazi germany too.

[baron von lotsov]

in canada it's been like that for a few years now, pub owners had to install 'smoking rooms' ventilated sectioned off rooms just for smokers. some pubs closed in their decks with plexiglass and put up outdoor heaters for smoking rooms. i find it nice as a non smoker to be able to go to the pub and not breathe in smoke. BUT...

they are talking about making all pubs non smoking period. its BS after those pub owners spent all that money providing smoking rooms. and it's up to the patrons anyway!

hitler instilled smoking bans in nazi germany too.

Not just pubs but every indoor space that is not your own house. Even if you use part of your house as a business and a deliveryman enters you have to have no smoking signs now. Every shop all down our high street has these big red no smoking stickers on their windows. They are an average of 4 - 6 inches in size. Even the communal entrance to a block of flats has to be no smoking. There is only one place that this is not the case. You will be amazed at this; it is the House of Commons!

[leafar]

I hate the smoking ban. I hate it so much. Its not about smoking, its about controlling human behaviour. I smoke, and because it affects me, i hate it. However, in the light of all that ive learnt about whats going on in the world, even if i quit smoking tomorrow, id still be against it.

So i was thinking, as far as pubs at least are concerned, what can people do to get around it? Here are some ideas, but bear in mind that i dont know an awful lot about many things, so some of these ideas will seem dumb, but anyway, here we go :

* Pubs could close earlier, say at 7pm, and then have a lock in. I dont know if a lock in is classed as being a private gathering or not, but if it is, then surely it would be the same as inviting people round your house, in which case people could smoke.

* If theres a flat above the pub, the landlord could just tell invite smokers upstairs where they could smoke, and they could just got to the bar, get their drinks, then go upstairs.

* All the pubs in a particular area could all agree to ignore the ban, so it would be extremely difficult to enforce.

I dont know how realistic these ideas are, but there you go.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Aloha!:

The 'Smoking Ban' in New York is overbearing in its scope and depth.

Combined with lower DWAI/DWI thresh-holds: 0.05 bac=DWAI to 0.08 bac(blood alcohol content)=DWI. There is no longer reason to 'motor' to a pub.

As a business man, the pub owner should have final say as to what type of establishment he operates. Some will opt for non-smoking, others will not.

No-one, employee or patron are 'forced' into an establishment. It should be to the discernment of the business owners and the public patronage of said businesses that determine policy, not government.

Aloha!: ,Snoopsnuffleopagus