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24-09-2009, 02:50 PM
"NASA data: Greenland, Antarctic ice melt worsening

AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Wed Sep 23, 1:01 pm ET

WASHINGTON – New satellite information shows that ice sheets in Greenland and western Antarctica continue to shrink faster than scientists thought and in some places are already in runaway melt mode.

British scientists for the first time calculated changes in the height of the vulnerable but massive ice sheets and found them especially worse at their edges. That's where warmer water eats away from below. In some parts of Antarctica, ice sheets have been losing 30 feet a year in thickness since 2003, according to a paper published online Thursday in the journal Nature.

Some of those areas are about a mile thick, so they've still got plenty of ice to burn through. But the drop in thickness is speeding up. In parts of Antarctica, the yearly rate of thinning from 2003 to 2007 is 50 percent higher than it was from 1995 to 2003.

These new measurements, based on 50 million laser readings from a NASA satellite, confirm what some of the more pessimistic scientists thought: The melting along the crucial edges of the two major ice sheets is accelerating and is in a self-feeding loop. The more the ice melts, the more water surrounds and eats away at the remaining ice.

"To some extent it's a runaway effect. The question is how far will it run?" said the study's lead author, Hamish Pritchard of the British Antarctic Survey. "It's more widespread than we previously thought."

The study doesn't answer the crucial question of how much this worsening melt will add to projections of sea level rise from man-made global warming. Some scientists have previously estimated that steady melting of the two ice sheets will add about 3 feet, maybe more, to sea levels by the end of the century. But the ice sheets are so big it would probably take hundreds of years for them to completely disappear.

As scientists watch ice shelves retreat or just plain collapse, some thought the problem could slow or be temporary. The latest measurements eliminate "the most optimistic view," said Penn State University professor Richard Alley, who wasn't part of the study.

The research found that 81 of the 111 Greenland glaciers surveyed are thinning at an accelerating, self-feeding pace.

The key problem is not heat in the air, but the water near the ice sheets, Pritchard said. The water is not just warmer but its circulation is also adding to the melt.

"It is alarming," said Jason Box of Ohio State University, who also wasn't part of the study.

Worsening data, including this report, keep proving "that we're underestimating" how sensitive the ice sheets are to changes, he said."


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anthony65
24-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Anybody else think that the water where the ice is being melted is being heated by man not nature?

mystic nomad
24-09-2009, 04:14 PM
I think it's perhaps a combination of both. Undoubtedly increased RF and Microwave's and all that junk will have some effect, along with all the other crap we do and don't know about.

If there are Glaciers and thick pack ice on the planet then we are in an ice age, I'm not sure whether this is Earth's natural state. The ice has been receding for thousands of years it would be logical to expect the last little bit to increase it's rate of thawing. It would be the same as boiling off water in a pan, would start of slowly then as the volume of water decreases the heat increases and the water will boil off quicker.

It would also be logical to assume certain party's in a race to make Antarctica workable and rape and pillage the living daylights out of the largest continent on Earth.

I think it's a natural thing that is happening helped along by each and everyone's actions, some more than others of course.

When you consider the mediaeval MappaMundi that shows the coast of Antarctica and the picture of the submarine that surfaced at the North pole on March 17 1956(?) shown in this link http://www.accuweather.com/video-on-demand.asp?video=40431534001&channel=VBLOG_BASTARDI&title=Euro%20Winter%20Idea,%20More%20on%20Arctic%2 0Ice%20and%20a%20Look%20at%20Fred it makes you wonder (even more :confused:)

moonflower
26-09-2009, 04:05 PM
I think I have to say this is another out and out lie. The thinning at the edges happens every spring through the summer and the satellite image I seen said the melting was where it was coloured red but could hardly see any red.

spock
26-09-2009, 04:49 PM
Anybody else think that the water where the ice is being melted is being heated by man not nature?

someone playing the haarp? :rolleyes: