cure mental illness/get off of the drugs easily

[astraltraveller]

my dear fellow men and women and children

if you have been through the mental health circuit and have been prescribed antipsychotics or meds for depression or if you are a child or younger man ior woman who has been diagnosed with ADHD or ADD and have been prescribed rittalin or aderil and think thier is no cure for your conditions wich you may not even have in the first place and wish to cure your condition and get off of the drugs withought going through all the withdrawal symptoms and mental nightmare then please read on , it is all possible .


the way to get off of these drugs and regain your mentl health and well being is by the use of a simple product . i dont usualy post info on a specific product/company name but in this case i have to because i know of no other that will do the trick and i have personal experience with it and am living proof it is working and not only that the company is very proffessional and i promise you they care about your welfair and will give you continued support and instruction even after you have gotten off of the meds . the guy who helps me is called Jerry and he has become a freind and becomes a freind to all customers and he gives email support and he emails me every so often to say hi and see how i am proggrssing . i was on 5 antipsychotics when i started and could not no way in the world go any lower than 3 withought severe mental torment and would not be able to sleep . i am now down to 3 quarters of a tabblet and experience no mental problems what so ever and i sleep like a log with the occassional time when i dont sleep so good but if i eat well i sleep well .

the product i am talking about is a powerfull blend of vitamnins and things like ginko and ginseng and comes in capsule or powderd form .

thier have been attacks on this product and websites have been erected to say that this product does not work but it is misinfomation to coverup the fact that mental illness is indeed curable and big pharma doesnt whant people to get off of thier drugs wich is why they made them so addictive you become mentally ill if you do not take them and then you end up believing the psychiatrist when he says i told you so you are mentally ill and i know because ive been thier and i still have to see a shrink who insists im mentally ill but i knew i wasnt yeas ago because i never took the pills and fealt absolutly normal apart from when i whent out and had anxiety attacks wich i thought must be the psychosis i was accussed of having untill i finnaly worked out that anxiety comes in many forms and can seem just like paranoia because it comes on when around sertain people but i thought well how come if i am realy mentally ill then how come i feel perfectly normal when i am in the house and was not taking the shrinks prescribed drugs . i only whent into hospital for a rest because i had been through a traumatic experience but fealt fine in my mind and fealt safe once i got in hospital away from some very bad people i got involved with but once in hospital i wasnt believed about what i told the shrink and was told i was making it all up and that i was delusional anfd psychotic . well i wasnt dumb and thought shit these bastards are currupt what the hell am i going to do . i just whent along with them because i thought well i have a bad back and cant work anymore so if this is what it takes to get on the sick ile go with it . little did i know what horrors were in store for me .


anyway here is the product and i hope it can help anyone who needs it .

http://www.truehope.com


love and peace

astral

meep meep

[kblood]

I try to heal myself without any medication, but then I never did feel my mental problems as much of a problem to me, or those around me. Those that know me might disagree though :(

I do think I have learned to be "endurable" most of the time, by using techniques like the ones somewhat explained on:
http://www.quantumtouch.com/

If I find webpages with better selfhealing and healing of others techniques I will try to link them as well. I found the link for this site on this forum. Do not remember whom I first noticed posting this link.

[yeiayel]

Vit b all the complex and vit c, zinc iron calcium and so on. Are the best.
1g vit c
100 mg a day vit b. B1 B2 B3 B4 and so on
aminoacid triptofan .
function very well.
Pharma do not want we use this I know. But is a good way.
Do no listen them
I use this:
www.pho.it

[astraltraveller]

hi guys . i would like to say thnks for getting involved in this thread and giving it your input . mental problems can be solved on the organic boilogical level with the truehope.com vitamin complex wich is the only formular that i know of that works to get a person off of these dangerous addictive antipsychotic drugs wich block frontal lobe brain function wich is were our higher cognitive abilities lay like abilities we need for optimal normal functioning and also our third ee and magical abilities .

also antipsychotics destroy brain cells in a part of the brain called the striatum and when all of these cells are killed are are dying off we develope cardiovascular problems and we die . antipsychotic drugs cause sudden death syndrome so people who have been on them long enough die in thier sleep . they can cause the heart to litteraly exlode and i lived in a hostel were my neighbor had this happen to him and he was found dead in the morning but the staff coverd it up and just told us he was overweight .

to tackle mental health issues we need to adopt a two pronged attack because even when we cure the organic and biological malfunction and get off of the drugs we still have to cure the mental/emotional problem or problems wich were why we were put on the drugs in the first place and the best way to do it is by the use of EFT (EMOTIONAL FREEDOM THERAPY) and this we can do for our selves , it is like acupuncture for the mind but does nt involve needles , we use just a finger to tap on pressure points while verbally saying a phraze you make up yourself that is relatd to the issue you whant to heal . some may have heard of EFTY but thought it whont hlp but dont underestmate the power of it , it is what i used to combat all my issues to cure my emotional problems apart from a few wich i cured by talking to the mst wonderfull woman who looks after me in my new home so i would also say dont undeestimate the power of talking to someone outside of family who is very understanding . i told my fammily of these problems but they would not heal because i needed to know what a stranger thought but dont just tell anyone , find a proffessional who has sighned an oath called the hypocratic oath then that way you will know what you say will go no further . i was sexualy abused since i was very small and was thus very embarrased so had to tell someone who was a proffessional who did not foce drugs onto people .


i will do a small seperate article on EFT at some point and im doing another one tonight maybe wich is very exciting because it teaches you how to talk to your immune system and get answers to questions from deep inside you and some say the answers actualy come from god r the infinite conciousness .

here is the website so you can learn EFT , when you do it at first it can nock you back and make you feel very relaxed after hitting all the pressure points , keep at it and try solving as many emotional issues as you can and if any whont shift speak to a pro like i mentioned abouve . EFT i think is awsome and you could clear everything that bothers you withought needing to speak to anyone .

www.emofree.com/ go here and get your free ebook .


look out for my next article on the healing art i mentioned abouve were you communicate with your immune system and remove disease and mental problems from all of your bodies , IE ASTRAL/PHYSICAL/MENTAL/ETHRIC/KARMIC/SPIRAL/MENTAL/EMOTIONAL/GRAVITATIONAL

gotta eat now im starved / by the way kblood it was me that posted about quantumtouch , i hope it helps you and dont worry about those people who doubt you , i hve seen your posts and think you are a chippa person .

love and light

astral
meep meep

[astraltraveller]

yeiayel

thanks for your input , is great to have someone from your part of the world here to help forigne speaking people who might need help in your part of the world .


meep meep

[eat_a_grey]

Great read.I dont usually like to to talk about my personal issues on an open forum like this,but so far everyone seems to be really laid back about others problems/thoughts/ideas..so here I go

I am bipolar and I have chronic post traumatic stress disorder.I was diagnosed roughly 15 years ago.

I have been in mental institutions and saw many a shrink.

It seems as though all they wanted to do was jack me up on their drugs and takes notes on how the drugs worked on me,and then they would give me something else.

I have been on,lithium,depakote and a bunch of other things that they wanted me to take,I became a zombie.One day I said to myself,hell with this,Ill take my chances and I quit cold turkey.

Big mistake on my part,I really went though a major major depression episode.It was rough.

BUT over time I began to get my thoughts back,my identity back and I became myself again,not the doped up zombie with zero emotions.

Never again will I take their drugs,I like to be in touch with my emotions,my own thoughts,and ideas you know?

As one who has been in the system,I can tell you from first hand experience that psychiatry is a fucking joke,and a scam.

A friend did recommend something called 'trans personal psychotherapy',however I am on SSDI and Medicare and frankly I can not afford to see any doctor.(see Moore's Sicko)I have accepted who I am,I have accepted my ailments and frankly I am very happy with myself now.

Sure I isolate and I am still a recluse,but I dont care about that anymore,as long as I am comfortable with how I feel,I could give a rats ass how those shrinks 'think' I should be.Why so I can conform to their way of thinking?I fucking think not.

For what its worth,if any of you are taking these 'drugs' I wouldnt do it,just dont quit cold turkey like I did,reduce your meds over time,but for sure,dont take them and their agenda anymore.

[kblood]

For what its worth,if any of you are taking these 'drugs' I wouldnt do it,just dont quit cold turkey like I did,reduce your meds over time,but for sure,dont take them and their agenda anymore.

I usually dont speak as personaly about myself as I do on this forum either :) This forum just has so many issues that are easily personal in some way.

I have done several kinds of medications as well. I have always been reluctant to take medications. I really do not believe the medications ever made me get better at all. They just numbed me in several ways, making some kinds of pains easier to live with. I hate having my brain clouded like that. It simply seems egoistical to me, to block my mind just so I can get better. Also it is somewhat impossible to take any higher education while your mind is running in a lower gear :rolleyes: Fast thinking can be very confusing, and focussing is not always easy, but I rather be in what compares to control of my own own and mind, instead of using drugs to regulate it. I do use medication like painkillers and maybe sleeping pills, to do a bit of regulation when it is really bad. I do sometimes need it to get my mind to a more stable level of thinking. Otherwise I would go insane from all the impulses and lack of sleep, and I am really not easy to be around in those periods.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay :)

[eat_a_grey]

What do you take to help you sleep?I really cant get a good nights rest at all.

It seems the older Im getting,the less sleep I need.

[soglad]

If I had a mental problem story I'd tell it, but I don't, I'm quite mentally healthy, bar a huge phobia of NWO BULLSHIT that makes me sad, but hey..

I do have the story of my mother, who's had depression all her life, been on COUNTLESS (honestly COUNTLESS) different anti-depressants. Every change of prescription she got worse and worse, until about 2 years ago she admitted herself to a mental hospital, they of course, leaped to diagnose her as bi-polar and put her an a load of different pills and turned her into a sedated cabbage.

After about a month she came out, never usually feeling any better, but trying her best to pretend. Basically the last 2-3 years she's been out of mental hospitals trying to "get cured" or some fairytale fantasy story. Just 3 months ago she tried to commit suicide by taking all the pills she had (A LOT) but I was fortunate enough to hear her collapse in the middle of the might and went to check on her and rang an ambulance as quick as I could, so back to the hospital she goes, more drugs, blah blah blah.

So, rather than being nice and understanding like I was all the other times, I was really quite angry this time. I got real with her big time. I told her the pharmas are fucking liars and that she can never look outside herself to find a cure for what's within. He lifestyle is fatty foods and day-time tv and other demoralizing bullshit yet she finds it a perplexing mystery as to why she's so miserable? She goes into hospital leaving my with my little sister for fend for myself for months on end while she's brooding over herself, I just found it very selfish of her, if I may say so!

I asked her, her father and her mother "Show me a person, just one person, who has come out of here cured or TRULY better.". None could and all agreed it is not helping but the doctors kept her in for a few months to be safe. Well she came home for good the other day and says all she's on is some "salt" tablets but I know she's on some thing else, she's very dopey.

I wish she'd wake up and realize why she's feeling shit and stop looking in all the wrong places.

[astraltraveller]

hi guys ,

thanks for your input and stories , its brave of you to post them and i apreciate that .

depending on how long you have been on antipsychotics depends wether or not you will have brain damage or not , if you have recieved brain damage you will sure know about it even if you reduce the drug slowly and this happened to me and the suffering only goes away if you go back on the drug but with the truehope vitamins they repair the damage so you can slowly wean off . i am posting bellow a little info to show pwople they do cause brain damage and i suspect eat_a_grey buddy i think you might have some from the drugs wich is keeping you awake because this happened to me with the antipsychotics and it wasnt untill i whent on truehope and started to be abe to sleep again . im not trying to offend you by saying you may have brain damage and im not trying to get you to buy the truehope vitamins because its your call but the vitamins can cure bipola and other forms of depression and im absolutly sure they would improve your quality of life and and get you sleeping again and EFT can help with PTSD wich is what i had and cured most of it with EFT so well that i now have no mental disturbance of any kind but i still do have restlesness . i know what you mean about whanting your mental faculties back too and now im on only half a pill and will be clean in less than a week and will start to think clear again .

i dont expect anyone to just take my word for it that these drugs cause brain damage and that you need to take truehope but i will instead try to find proof of various facts about these dangerous drugs and let people make up thier own minds . also thiers a evere lack of nutrients in soil these days thus the plants are lacking in vitamins and proccessed food has almost no nutrition at all , if you combine this with the fact that smoking and any kind of drug depleates vitamins and minerals in the brain people can end up with depression or worse , they can end up with a mental illness and canabis today isnt what it was and is geneticly modified and sprayed with crap and that can cause mental illness .

soglad , i understand your confusion , i have tried to help several people get off of the drugs but they dont listne and i have healed othes of various things but when it coms to getting off the meds they dont whant to because they have been brainwashed into thinking thier condition isnt cureable especialy with vitamins and i find a lot of people are too tight to shell out the cash for the vitamins or anything else for that matter , they think the docs should heal them and that aint gonna happen and some just think they will be ill forever and accept it and go back to sleep . your mum could realy be helped by truehope as its great for depression , it is not just a simple bunch of vitamins , i have tried very expensive multivits and they just would not repare my brain and help me get off the meds , only truehope can do it to my knowledge aswell as a group in germany that heal people with vitamins ect but i dont remember the name of thier website . anyway this is just my opinion and experience .

rite im dying for a good shit and some beer and im gonna paste a bit of info on brain damage by antipsychotics and will paste more info latter on various things if i can find a site i lost wich was created by the head psychiatrist of america who quit his job because he found solid evidence that antipsychotics have been deliberatly created to cause brain damage and kill and is part of the masterplan of the ugenics freaks .

This diagnosis fits the American Psychiatric Diagnostic Classification [3]; 292.11 applies to sedative, hypnotic, anxiolytic psychosis with delusions. 292.12 fits sedative, hypnotic, anxiolytic psychosis with hallucinations. The Merck Manual [4] lists antipsychotic drugs under the heading antianxiety drugs or anxiolytics.
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[soglad]

Nice one mate! I think I'll mention it to her, although since it's not from the doctor's mouth she'll automatically presume it's a fake, but I'll try persuade her...

[ashyr]

i wonder what they would say if i went to the authoritys and said i have A.D.D or HYPERKENITICS in USA, maybe a few other conditions but have refused all treatments or acceptance into being a mental health patient.

the guidance councelors and socialworker/councellors i was made to goto as a kid because i was always doing things differently, said to my parents that they think i have ADD and my father said "bullshit, theres no such thing, hes just a little shit, ahha:" and after the councelling, was never given ritalin, ended there went abit anarchy and have stayed away from the system so much, bt im always there to exploit it as a company would on the CAPTIAL COMPANY IN MY CAPSLOCK NAME, what would you say this would do in my case.

one time i took a card of about 12 ritalins from my friend who has A.d.d. also. ahah we tend to hang in groups, i tried it for one day. man ive gotta say weather it was all the mental hype about it made me focus. but i had the most ORGANISED DAY ive had in ages, was on time for things. had a plan. was crazy. since then ive sorta rejected it. and all speed based drugs, in the way they try to keep my body up with my mind i think? anyhow.

is there need to take these drugs?

[astraltraveller]

soglad

hi buddy . i hope you can gt your mum to try this because i know by your post this whole thing is taking its toll on both of you and because you care so much and know the truth about government and medical curruption and she doesnt then its making you super frustrated . my gran has stuck with me through everything and she has never given up on me and when i say ive found something new i whant to try she has never said yeah that whont work because nothing you ever try has worked . well i finnaly found truehope or RMPowerplus as they call it and every day i was on it she said can you feel any diffrence yet , do you feel better ? and i had to say no and im still not sleeping and this whent on for i think about a week maybe a bit less but once i had hit a sertain point i started to sleep better and better each time and so then i started to reduce the meds and i got down to 3 tabblets eventualy and couldnt sleep again but i was not having any of the symptoms the anyipsychotics started giving me like a horrid feeling in my head and severe attacks of some wierd ass shit that left me cabbage brained and couldnt even string a sentance together . anyway im down to half a tabblet now and feel great but oh yeah i was saying , i got to 3 tabbs and fealt bad again , no it was 2 and a half and then i thought ok go back up to 3 so i did for a few days maybe 4 and then i dropped to 2 and a half tabblets again and fealt fine so what ive done since is drop a quarter of a tabblet every 3 days untill now im at a half of one and feeling great . im also taking something called glyconutrients that cures brain damage and schizophrenia and cancer and helps aids patients and everything so this might be helping too , i did a post on glyconutrients wich i will update at some point .

anway soglad i whant to past something for you and anyone who is intrested , this is info on the truehope and depression , you see i need to be able to prove to people that it works so they dont have to worry about getting thier hopes up and waisying money and being let down and i whant info for you so you can arm yourself with infomation in the hope you can convince mum that this will work for her so you both can start living again and you can have a great weight lifted from your shoulders . ile be looking for more proof it works too and othyer info relavant to this thread .

take care buddy , heres some info pasted bellow that shows EMPowerplus worked for this ladies little boy who had bad bipola and ADHD .

Truehope: The Other Side of the Story

From Rebecca (RKMamaCat)

About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by our Medical Review Board

Rebecca - a long, respected member of our forums - writes, “I just read the article about Truehope and EMPowerplus as soon as I picked up the newsletter. I felt that the article needed to be offset with real life experience, since that’s what most of us come here for. I’m here to present ‘the other side’ of the story. This comes from a real family and I am a tough skeptic of food supplements.”

“My son, offspring of a BP1 (me) and descended most likely from several undiagnosed bipolars, could NOT be treated with conventional Rx medication. He also got ADHD as a bonus from his dad’s side of the family and his dad has depression problems. (The kid came out of one nasty gene pool in terms of mental health issues).

“All kinds of questions can be raised about the quality and consistency of the product because it hasn’t been subjected to rigorous independent testing. Some broad claims were made about it that have since trimmed WAY back after the raid by Health Canada on the main office and some court action by both parties. Truehope.com is conservative about what they say now. EMP+ is manufactured in the United States and has the required labeling standard for food supplements. Health Canada has a higher standard for supplements and has interfered in attempts to do double blind studies on this product, but I understand that one was running in Calgary and may have been completed by now. I’m sure that truehope.com would have the details if you care to look. I live with the evidence that it works so the studies don’t concern me so much.

“While some may claim that EMP+ is ineffective, I’ve yet to see a convincing argument that the actual substance is harmful. What’s harmful is expecting a miracle and quitting your meds cold, which is STRONGLY discouraged by Truehope.

“This isn’t a miracle OR a quack cure. It’s based on nutritional research, documented at truehope.com. All of the nutrient levels are well within the dosages considered safe. The RN for the school district checked everything on the label against her reference materials - a lot of extra work for her, but a convenient independent review for me.

“The lack of data to support the efficacy of EMP+ for bipolar disorder is no more abysmal than that which exists for the majority of drugs in use in the United States for the disorder. Most of them have NOT been approved. They’re being used ‘off-label’ and the medical communities in other countries are appalled at how reckless our doctors are compared to theirs in the choice of medications.

“Lots of people dropped out of the program. It costs $150 a month for at least the first 6 months of ‘loading.’ Either they can’t afford it or they ran into difficulties and gave up instead of calling the Truehope support center for some dose adjustment or timing advice. I could have given up on it many times while getting my son up to loading dose and I almost did. It’s not for sissies (You know, the ones who gave up as soon as it wasn’t perfect), but it works if YOU work with Truehope. I had to learn that the hard way, but at least we didn’t give up.

“My son was the first patient in our psychiatric practice to try EMPowerplus. The Dr. couldn’t ‘officially’ recommend it, but ‘as a parent,’ he said, ‘I certainly support your choice.’ This psychiatrist now recommends EMPowerplus for the med resistant and for those like my son who simply got physically sick on all things Rx by the time they approached therapeutic level. He also feels it’s particularly good for the bipolar / ADHD combo, which my son has and which is tricky to medicate. This doctor stays on the leading edge of research, working with doctors at Stanford University and admits, ‘We don’t know everything!’ He’s been fascinated and astonished by the stabilization and calming of my son on a program built around EMPowerplus.

“My son has been stable for over a year on the program of STRICTLY nutritional treatment for his bipolar disorder and ADHD. He’s gone from constantly being physically miserable and mentally out of control to being extremely healthy and back in the regular classroom full-time.”
Updated: June 20, 2006

[nickatnoon61]

Nice one mate! I think I'll mention it to her, although since it's not from the doctor's mouth she'll automatically presume it's a fake, but I'll try persuade her...

Hi Soggy, and all. Take 10 mins. to read this .http://www.newstarget.com/z015187.html About diet/meat and mental disorders. Then read "The Secret Covenant", http://100777.com/node/438 to find out the doctor's true agenda. Sog, too bad about your mom, but ces't la vie! My mother died of cancer about 5 years ago. She was the same, stubborn and brainwashed! Sometimes you can't teach an old dog new tricks,eh? Your diet of raw fruit and veggies is the best!!! You will never know true bliss, until you cleanse your body of toxins and poisons completely. I have been fasting for over 25 years. I completed a 50 day juice fast/fest (= this Spring. It is like feeding your body jet fuel and the results/energy reflect that! I would recommend the "Master Cleanser" to start as it is simple and effective. Before trying that,tho , go on a vegetarian diet for a week or two first. No meat or dairy. If you want to keep spinning your wheels, keep going to the pill pushers, but if you want unlimited health take it into your own hands! :)

[astraltraveller]

hello ashyr


sorry dude i wasnt sure what you were asking with your first question , please pardon my ignorance but could you possibly clarify ? , thanks .


as for wether or not a person needs ADHD or ADD drugs i would say definitly not . if a kid in school fidgits in his chair and can not stay still and keeps day dreaming and looking out of the window and does not get on with school work does this mean the kid hasnt got enough speed or rittalin in his system ? absolutly not is ovcourse the answer . for one thing it is every human beings rite to day dream , it is a form of relaxation and meditation were a person completly slows down thier mind and can peice problems together and use logic and the power of thier imagination to think creative and wonderfull thoughts . people need to slow down , it is big brother that whants us to be fast and efficient for thier own gains , we are not meant to live in cities and slave all day , all people are tribal and are just meant to build a place to live in and work thier own land and grow food and thier own medicine and then justtake time out to lat down in the sun and meditate and day drem and then be creative and build things out of wood and metals and pottery and trade things with each other and sit around a fire at night and tell stories and take magic mushrooms and have powerfull spiritual experiences and go on jurnies of the mind and smoke fresh home grown canabis and not the poisin shit we have today wich causes mental illness but the fresh homegrown is good and teaches us knowledge and knowledge of good and evil .you dont need any drugs and i only recomend that adults take them if they whant to but every great little naturel community should have a trible leader who is a healer and a shaman and they should have philosopheers and wise men who will decide when the young are old enough to start a spiritual jurney on mushrooms or weed , dont take drugs while you are young , wait untill you understand the world more and your brain has stopped growing . dont be tempted by any drug especialy speed or rittalin and aderill you dont need any drugs while you are young because you have not long ago come from heaven and are already closer to the mysteries than men and your mind is a place of wonder were you can create anything you whant and you can experiment with amaizing things like astral projection and remote viewing and remote influencing and meditation and most drugs just stop us from being able to do these things .

sorry i have rambled on too much . if you realy do have problems with having too much energy and not being able to sleep and concentrate then check out your diet , avoid as much junk food as possible and never ever take artificial sweetners becauase they cause the symptoms of ADHD and ADD and stopping drinking stuff like diet coke or pepsi will make it all go away , dont eat too many sweets and choccolates and get plenty of fresh fruit n veggatabbles and if you still think you have ADD or ADH ask your mum or dad if they will take you to a doctor who can test to see if you are alergic to anything .

i hope this helps , sorry if it did not and sorry for rambling .

take care dude

astral

[nickatnoon61]

[QUOTE=astraltraveller;108680]hello ashyr


sorry dude i wasnt sure what you were asking with your first question , please pardon my ignorance but could you possibly clarify ? , thanks .


if a kid in school fidgits in his chair and can not stay still and keeps day dreaming and looking out of the window and does not get on with school work does this mean the kid hasnt got enough speed or rittalin in his system ?

Astral, good point! The kid usually knows better, than to sit there and listen to the horseshit the teacher is spewing out!! I don't blame him at all for wanting to get the fook out of that indoctrination class!!! You gotta be on drugs to listen to that crap!!! You know after such a great post, at the end you recommend going to a doctor! Anyone who trusts a doctor deserves what they get. They are glorified drug dealers! Can you say NATUROPATH????

[astraltraveller]

hello nicatoon61


yeah i realized that saying go to a dr sounds bad but i meant those doctors who specialize in just testing for alergies but you are rite , even they could be bad news , i forgot about naturapaths and didnt know what you call them .

have you ever noticed that therapist can be split up like psychotherapist is psycho-the-rapist :D i wonder if its intentional because some or most are psycho,s and mental fuck ups and some are even rapists and pedo,s .

micheal tsarion once said something like this when he was teaching some kids . he said thier is nothing wrong with you , you are not brocken but scociety is brocken and these kids became so excited at this news because they realized they were normal and then tsarion tought them about corporate symolism anbd they were so enthusiastic . i feel so sorry for kids these days with the crap they have to swallow then scociety wonders why they whant to get pissed and stoned .

[nickatnoon61]

hello nicatoon61


yeah i realized that saying go to a dr sounds bad but i meant those doctors who specialize in just testing for alergies but you are rite , even they could be bad news , i forgot about naturapaths and didnt know what you call them .

have you ever noticed that therapist can be split up like psychotherapist is psycho-the-rapist :D i wonder if its intentional because some or most are psycho,s and mental fuck ups and some are even rapists and pedo,s .

micheal tsarion once said something like this when he was teaching some kids . he said thier is nothing wrong with you , you are not brocken but scociety is brocken and these kids became so excited at this news because they realized they were normal and then tsarion tought them about corporate symolism anbd they were so enthusiastic . i feel so sorry for kids these days with the crap they have to swallow then scociety wonders why they whant to get pissed and stoned .

Astral,I agree 1000%!!!Tsarion sounds like he is on the ball! I also sympathize with teens nowadays, who have no power to tell these authority figures to go seduce themselves!!! Good one about PSYCHO THE RAPIST!!! :DWhat about Revere end???or Reverend??? Makes sense. Sometimes things are not as complicated as they are made out to be,eh? A lot of subliminals in our English language!!! Like Plato said to Socrates after class, "now bend over and I'll drive you home" ha ha :eek:

[astraltraveller]

nicatoon61


great post on cleansing . i envy you because i wish i could cleanse like that , wow 50 days just on juice , one hell of a way to make sure every last little toxin is gone . i cant do it untill i get off all drugs though .

dont supose anyone knows were i could get sodium ascorbate IV ? i dont know if it works but this link says it can get people off of any opiate , i tried taking ascorbate oraly and it did flush out the painkillers but after so many hours i whent into one bad withdrawal so im thinking maybe it only works IV or not at all and its some kind of shitty hoax ....

http://www.whale.to/v/c/stone.html

ascorbate is an awsome cleanser btw and drinking your own pee can clean out opiates very fast and efficiently , cupa pee anyone .

[astraltraveller]

nicatoon61

ha ha i didnt know socrates was a cock snorkler .

i just thought of one for television , tele means distant in greek and when people watch it they are distant .

then thier are soaps on tv , soap to wash the brain , thiers so much propaganda in soaps and no one ever complains about authority . neibours and home and away , not that i watch them but they teach kids to worry about relationships and teach everyone to be nosey curtain twitchers and to grass on each other , just how big bro likes it and they all behave like perfect little sheep and try to make people think its how you are suposed to live or else you are not normal .

[eat_a_grey]

Another one of my problems was with lithium,and this is how Im going to prove those fuckers were trying to kill me

I will save this topic for a later time

But I beat Hep C.

Anyways the shrinks knew this and still MADE ME take these drugs,in case you dont know,lithium is very bad for your liver,well me having hep c means my liver was allready toast.

So why were they making me take this stuff to begin with?

Im saying is yeah they will just cram stuff down your throat or shove it in your vein and worry about the consequences later.

[astraltraveller]

eat_a_grey


i feel for you dude , they tried killing me several times and the bastard shrink i have now knos the drugs have sent me into despair and hes done nothing to help for months and months and last time i whent you should have seen his face , he was real miserable when i told him im getting better and feal great .the bastards do things to us to create terrible suffering and leave us to think the torment will never end and they do this to make you commt suicide so your dead and they murderd you but nobody will ever prove a thing and they just say the same old fucking line (well he was mentally ill , they often commit suicide because of thier illness) yet the truth is it was the drugs that make people kill themselves or other people , just look at the columbine thing and the tech massacre , all them dudes were on prozac .


check out this awsome link posted by nicatoon1 in from the aspartame thread and you will see just how these bastards think .

http://100777.com/node/438

god bless you

[astraltraveller]

just thought i would post that ive been off the antipsychotics for 3 days now and it will soon be 4 days . i feel great in my mind and no bad stuff at all and when ive tried it before withought the vitamins it was awfull and i had to go back on them . shame the rest of my body feels like shit and racked with pain half the time but oh well ho hum and fuck it .

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

great thread!

i started working on my "head" about 1 year ago, i think because of abuse (when i was a child) and subsequent drug abuse (when an adult) i suddenly began to suffer dissociative personality disorder (multiple personality) u hear voices and get disorientated, scared and paranoid. i did two treatments of healing on my self, and it has never returned! which is an impossibility (if u ask a doctor) if u hearing voices they don't just "stop" one day, that's why u need the heavy medication. but what they don't tell you is that the psychiatric medication used today has the same method of affecting ur brain as illegal drugs. it affectst he neurons directly inside the brain by passing the "blood brain barrier" - which separates drugs like asperin from drugs like marijuana. aspirin affects the nervous system, marijuana affects the way the brain interprets information from the nervous system. my psychology lectuerer actually said (and i will get this in mp3 form) that "illegal drugs and psychiatric drug work the same way, but psychiatric drugs are 'legal' " which made me laugh.

if you can heal yourself, that's great! good on you, i think peopel should take more responsiblity for their own health. but at the moment, for major things, western medicine is theo nly resort. so i think abandoning it completly is the wrong way, more an amalgamation of information fromn the holistic healing and western sciences would be a good way to go, yin/yang

[zigzagz]

just thought i would post that ive been off the antipsychotics for 3 days now and it will soon be 4 days . i feel great in my mind and no bad stuff at all and when ive tried it before withought the vitamins it was awfull and i had to go back on them . shame the rest of my body feels like shit and racked with pain half the time but oh well ho hum and fuck it .

Addiction only occurs in "prisoners" it is only a symptom of the prison enviroment that has been created here if you are happy and fufilled it cannot affect you.
Rat Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sunyatta60]

just thought i would post that ive been off the antipsychotics for 3 days now and it will soon be 4 days . i feel great in my mind and no bad stuff at all and when ive tried it before withought the vitamins it was awfull and i had to go back on them . shame the rest of my body feels like shit and racked with pain half the time but oh well ho hum and fuck it .

You will be amazed by this short film Doctors are finally speaking out Psychiatry is Psuedoscience.

Click here to watch video (4 minutes): Psychiatrists Admit No Science and No Cures

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8058160857846500132


See also:

- Lawsuit claims drug maker liable for woman's suicide
- Lack of Sleep May Produce Autism-Like Symptoms
- 'Disorders' erode responsibility
- Big Pharma Research Racket Is Killing People
- Pentagon: Homosexuality a Mental Disorder
- Drugging Children: A Cruel Sign of the Times

Carl Jung predicted that psychoanalysis would never be practiced in the U.S. as it was intended, to talk to the patient and analyze their problem, identify the cause of their unhappiness and find a solution in a partnership with the client.

He also predicted that clients would be drugged indiscriminately as a pseudo solution, turning the person into a drugged zombie who is still unhappy. Whether it is realized or not the major reason there are so many ‘diagnosed’ mental disorders is primarily the result of depression, bipolar disorder, sleep disorders, etc. and I suspect the voices in the heads, one of the primary symptoms of schizophrenia, is a direct result of a deep depression, hopelessness, and sleep disorders.

As I read in another thread, when you read, think or remember, there is a voice in your mind, that is how the mind functions. The voices and hallucinations of those diagnosed as having a multitude of mental disorders are signs of a depressed, hopeless, and exhausted mind, these are also symptoms which should be used to direct the psychiatrist on the nature of the problem and the course of the treatment, instead the good old doc reaches for his bag of chemicals.

Psychiatrists, in the U.S. have done more harm than if the patient would have remained untreated and simply found a good friend that they could share their problems with, someone intelligent.

The state of psychiatric treatment is a business of ‘making money’ and ‘ keeping patients.’ The doctors are continuously approached by the pill salesmen seeking to market their expensive drugs.

The question is a social one, why are there so many people so unhappy that the sales of anti-depressants, sleeping pill, and sedatives is a multi-billion industry.

Why do so many people suffer from:

Sleeplessness

Depression (which usually begins in a normal manner and increases with the hopelessness of a given situation)

Suicidal Thoughts

Stress

Nervousness

Anxiety

Obsessive Compulsive Tendencies

and finally Psychoses which is when one loses touch with reality

I have not listed all known disorders here.

The point I am trying to make is that mental and emotional disorders are so prevalent in the U.S. that obviously there is something wrong with the way we are living when many people can begin to see that their problem has no solution and view it as so hopeless that they simply give in to that extremely dark side of the human psyche, a very deep depression.

The cure is a simple pseudo fix to mask the problem and does nothing to resolve the problem, because the lifestyles of the citizens in this country would have to change drastically and I do not think that corporate America desires to lose the majority of waged slaves, after all there are too many wars to fight to gain control of the resources of the world and besides psychotrophic drugs are ‘big business’

The fact is that even the religious, who are willing to sacrifice this life in promise of the true life they desire, cannot deal with the demands on their psyche and they cannot deal with the sacrifices they make daily, they have truly sold their spirits in the hopes of something better, after death. This is where the something better, or more akin to a real life awaits.

I do agree that psychiatry, in the U.S., has created a doctor who is in reality a ‘paid henchman’ for corporate America and for the affluence which comes with the title.

[astraltraveller]

sunyatta60


thank you very much for this infomation and for taking the time to share it . i agree totaly with every point . it was not untill i actualy spoke to a very incredible woman who is still looking after me now who is very inteligent , that i actualy healed the last three intense soul destroying problems i had wich were just belieffs wich i had wich were incorect and based on terrible guilt caused by blackmail and abuse by a very evil person and i carried this for years and dare not tell a sould but one day not long ago it became too much and i told this wonderfull lady and she assured me it was not my fault and instantly broke the spell and we just laughed because it was realy rediculous .


shrinks are a complete waist of time and they just get you addicted to drugs that people try stopping and then get the withdrawals if they have been on them long enough to take ahold and they depleate essential vitamins and minerals from the brain and cause brain atrophy , extrapyramidal activity ,tardif dysconesia and sudden death syndrome and god knows what else . while on these drugs people are easier to manage and are opened up to hypnotic suggesgion . i personaly have had support people try to use mind controle tecniques on me but i saw rite through it because i was on high potency vitamins for health reasons and they gave me the unexpected effect of opening my eyes and i became aware that people looking after me were using verbal pursuation on me and others and mind controle methods and it was a rude awaikening and i was shocked that i had become so drugged that i had not noticed this before and this started a lot of trouble because i kept complaining about what they were doing to me . my room would be searched every time i whent out and it happened to the others but they didnt notice and wouldnt beleve me . i set trapps to catch them like setting up a webcam and putting a single hair or selotape accross doors and draws and cupboards , things would go missing and if anyone said anything they were told they imagined it and are just not well . i could say so much but i am still at risk . if its found out im recoverd and off the drugs i will be forced back on them .

anyway thank you so much for your post sunyatta60

bless you

astral

[sunyatta60]

thank you very much for this infomation and for taking the time to share it

Cool no problems it is really psuedo science because it cannot be Falsified aka Popper, therefore it is sadly open to abuse because Doctors are given financial inducements to push the pHARMAceuticals onto a trusting public.
I wish you well, use the power of your own mind and eat natural foods only. for example if people have blood pressure problems is it not better to eat banana than take a beta blocker? The banana is full of potassium and that reduce blood pressure naturally it was also give you energy because it contains natural sugars that the body needs.


Doctors are just the same as lawyers;
the only difference is that lawyers merely rob you,
whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too.
Anton Chekhov

[eat_a_grey]

astraltraveller,are you still off of your meds?How are you holding up?

please keep us informed how your doing

Thanks!

[astraltraveller]

hey eat_grey


i hope your doing ok buddy , i love that credo mutwa saying it makes me laugh every time i read it lol .

yeah im still off the meds and doing great but i have had a bloody sinus infection and it made me depressed because ive had to take antibiotics and they make some or everyone depressed but ive took some 5HTP hydroxytryptophan today and im as happy as can be again .

also i found out the guy jerry at truehope who has been giving me email support is a woman lol all this time i thought was a dude but she is realy great but she is finneshing working thier now so she can spend time with familly but she whants to stay in touch wich is great . she said though that truehope are stopping selling the product over the darn net and instead you have to phone up to get it but ive been all week withought any apart from a few days so i might quit buying it , whats the point keep buying it if you are succesfully off the tabblets and feel ok besides some people cant afford to keep buying it . ive got a few left then one whole bottle but after thier all gone i might not buy anymore but if i feel down then i will buy more but im hoping i dont need them . anyway i hope this answers your question dude . ok i will post back again to keep you informed in a couple of weeks .


sunyatta60

Doctors are just the same as lawyers;
the only difference is that lawyers merely rob you,
whereas doctors rob you and kill you, too.
Anton Chekhov

i like this saying very much lol im gonna remember this one and ile be tempted to say it to one . and yes bannanas rule , space men left em here for a reason along with a turd from another planet in a pyramid according to the book chariots of the gods , maybe them chariots didnt come with a portaloo .