Is Hubble a Hoax

[rodin]

Nice pictures but are they real?

I mean they could be pure CGI

You know how they do the colour? With different colour filters. Also UV and IR filters so they can build up composite images of colours.

At least that's the story :D

[merlincove]

lol, 1st, was the atom bomb a hoax, then, is the space shuttle a hoax, now the hubble :D

Those pics she sends back are trully beautifull, aren't they? No doubt about it, they have been altered and shopped to huge degree's.

It is entirely probable that the hubble is up there as a false enterprise, that she is lookin g for something, but we are not being told what that something is - very possable indeed. And if that is the case then most if not all these shots are shopped up.

So, if she isn't taking photo's of far distant galaxies and gas clouds, and if she is real, then what is she looking for?

Good Q, OP :D

[alexis1111]

Nice pictures but are they real?

I mean they could be pure CGI

You know how they do the colour? With different colour filters. Also UV and IR filters so they can build up composite images of colours.

At least that's the story :D

Tell me something, if you wanted to find out exactly how far and with how much resolution those huge optical telescope observatories on mountaintops can see on a clear cool night where would you go? Let's say the people in charge there were playing along with the hoaxsters to fake deep space probes with their equipment how would you know for sure?

The only thing I know for sure is that any picture taken from earth will not have the earth in the backgound when showing the backside of any given planet. I mean they will show you backside pictures with a fuzzy ball glowing in the distance they will say is earth but the invariable lack of stars haunts those pictures too. What do you say about that?

Btw, I suggested Lindman take his missing stars queries to BAUT, wanna bet how long it takes before they bounce him if he does :)

[nihil]

hubble's a bubble, so it will explode soon :eek:

[Anders Lindman]

lol. Nice theory! That's surely the most far-out conspiracy theory yet. :D And the answer is, if 'my' latest theory about the Space Shuttle being a hoax is real, then the Hubble telescope is a hoax!!! How else could it have been repaired by astronauts.

I just watched a video where they said that the first Soviet Kosmonauts in space sent signals to Earth for 30 minutes, and then silence. And there were many Kosmonauts it happened to. 30 minutes after entering space, and they were like gone. :eek: EDIT: And they said in the video that the first man in space, Gagarin, was a hoax. Many inconsistencies about Soviet's first man in space mission were presented in the video. And the U.S. government knew about the missing Kosmonauts, but they didn't tell the American people, because they wanted a space race.

[rodin]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/HST-SM4.jpeg/300px-HST-SM4.jpeg

LEO

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Diagram_of_Hubble%27s_orbit.jpg/200px-Diagram_of_Hubble%27s_orbit.jpg

HST's guidance system can also be used as a scientific instrument. Its three Fine Guidance Sensors (FGS) are primarily used to keep the telescope accurately pointed during an observation, but can also be used to carry out extremely accurate astrometry; measurements accurate to within 0.0003 arcseconds have been achieved.[33]

Hubble Space Telescope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The FGS - that wants looking into. How is it possible to keep the Hubble aligned to within 0.0003 arcseconds? How do they steer the thing? Must be by rockets. I can't imagine how they can hold the thing perfectly still. Is it gyroscopically stabilised? If so what runs the gyro? Solar power I guess.

If you want to mount a challenge to Hubble I think the ability to hold a fixed gaze on a miniscule area of space long enough to take multiple filter images would be a good place to start.

[coco]

lol. Nice theory! That's surely the most far-out conspiracy theory yet. :D And the answer is, if 'my' latest theory about the Space Shuttle being a hoax is real, then the Hubble telescope is a hoax!!! How else could it have been repaired by astronauts.

I just watched a video where they said that the first Soviet Kosmonauts in space sent signals to Earth for 30 minutes, and then silence. And there were many Kosmonauts it happened to. 30 minutes after entering space, and they were like gone. :eek: EDIT: And they said in the video that the first man in space, Gagarin, was a hoax. Many inconsistencies about Soviet's first man in space mission were presented in the video. And the U.S. government knew about the missing Kosmonauts, but they didn't tell the American people, because they wanted a space race.

Anders, what video is this? Could you tell where I can link to this video, please? It sounds interesting.

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, what video is this? Could you tell where I can link to this video, please? It sounds interesting.

Watch from about 01:00 in this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8518194983496310564#

[alexis1111]

lol. Nice theory! That's surely the most far-out conspiracy theory yet. :D And the answer is, if 'my' latest theory about the Space Shuttle being a hoax is real, then the Hubble telescope is a hoax!!! How else could it have been repaired by astronauts.

I just watched a video where they said that the first Soviet Kosmonauts in space sent signals to Earth for 30 minutes, and then silence. And there were many Kosmonauts it happened to. 30 minutes after entering space, and they were like gone. :eek: EDIT: And they said in the video that the first man in space, Gagarin, was a hoax. Many inconsistencies about Soviet's first man in space mission were presented in the video. And the U.S. government knew about the missing Kosmonauts, but they didn't tell the American people, because they wanted a space race.

Now try and picture the mess if the Soviets had faked a manned mission to the moon at the same time the US did. Understanding the poor quality of Soviet film-making (disclaimer: they have wonderful scripts and stories but the political cats messed everything up for the actual filmaking potential) you can easily see that one or both would have been caught real fast.

[coco]

Watch from about 01:00 in this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8518194983496310564#

Thank you very much! I shall view it tomorrow as I'm afraid it's log off time for today.

[clint web]

Something else that's not real eh?

What would be the point of faking it? Wouldn't thousands of astronomers clue into the fact and be shouting about it from the rooftops?

I think people are coming here and just coming out with theories for the sake of a bit of conversation.

At least with a theory such as the moon landing fake there are photos, film footage and scientific argument to back up the case and make it interesting - but with this - :confused::confused::rolleyes:

[alexis1111]

Something else that's not real eh?

Well, lets see, should the success of previous hoaxes make them more or less bold?

What would be the point of faking it?

How do you pay your bills each month, with beach pebbles? Why is it that money is always the absolute last consideration when searching for motives to multi-billion dollar hoaxes? Do you suppose these clowns at NASA are a charitable organization?

Wouldn't thousands of astronomers clue into the fact and be shouting about it from the rooftops?

Rooftop shouting will get you a wide audience of police, the mainstream media will broadcast far and wide. Who controls the mainstream you think? Also, tons of people are sounding the alarms that something weird is going on with NASA claims of all kinds. How do you know that a large portion of this skepticism is not coming from those exact professionals you believe are remaining mute? Just because they don't want to be cast out by their peers, risk losing their credentials and stable salaries does not mean they are not wise to the NASA BS. They play along for public appearance and post their skepticism anon online where the risk is the least to them.

I think people are coming here and just coming out with theories for the sake of a bit of conversation.

No, people bring these subjects to this table because so few other places are willing or able to host these discussions.

At least with a theory such as the moon landing fake there are photos, film footage and scientific argument to back up the case and make it interesting - but with this - :confused::confused::rolleyes:

Do you honestly believe the posters should reiterate every single item of interest to the rebuttals of the moonlanding hoax into this thread for you to make the connection? I mean really?

Aren't you the least bit curious if they are using conventional observatory telescopes on earth to fake the hubble claims? Can you enlighten us how truly powerful those big telescopes on the mountaintop observatories really are? I have read someone allude to the fact that they can see big mountains on venus with conventional telescopes from earth. How much more can we expect they can see. I don't know for sure but do you?

[clint web]

alexis1111,

You know something. You're right and i'm wrong.

[onourwayto2012]

Well as far as I'm concerned, if it's the "Official" story....it's pure BS.....so you take it from there

....having said that they throw in the occasional nugget of truth to throw us off....
....but yeah 99% BS
....and that goes for 99% of all of them
....I leave the 1% for the time someone slipped.... and told the truth....or goofed and let someone tell the truth....
OR.....it fit the agenda to tell the truth(probably) the most likely scenario...... but hey...... what do I know???

[alexis1111]

Well as far as I'm concerned, if it's the "Official" story....it's pure BS.....so you take it from there

....having said that they throw in the occasional nugget of truth to throw us off....
....but yeah 99% BS
....and that goes for 99% of all of them
....I leave the 1% for the time someone slipped.... and told the truth....or goofed and let someone tell the truth....
OR.....it fit the agenda to tell the truth(probably) the most likely scenario...... but hey...... what do I know???

What percentage of the population of this planet do you think knew the inside story and played along with the con games on most of these multibillion-dollar hoax clusters?

6.5 billion people on the planet, what percentage of that?

The number 1000 out of 6.5 billion is what I perceive as having full insider knowledge of each one of those massive con jobs. The underlings are compartmentalized, well paid and subservient. They need not know a thing then there are the human cattle that do as they are told or else. They definitely need not apply for inside knowledge. They have only one thing to do and thats serve loyally and consider themselves lucky they are not killed or tortured for the amusement of their masters. These human cattle outnumber the elites by incredible proportions. So, 1000 is the number for now for me. 1000 pure insiders on 6.5 billion global population.

That's off the top of my head after a long day. Maybe I'm not right following my instincts but something tells me they don't have to be that many nor do they like being too many. Control potential high profile leaks, things like that make them cautious about potential swarms at the summit so-to-speak.

[rodin]

If you want to mount a challenge to Hubble I think the ability to hold a fixed gaze on a miniscule area of space long enough to take multiple filter images would be a good place to start.

Thing is in order for Hubble to take an image it must be perfectly still wrt rotation. Now the ISS far as I know maintains a fixed orientation with respect to the surface of the Earth. Therefore it is constantly changing alignment wrt background starfield. Hubble during a shoot must keep a fixed alignment wrt background starfield, in other words not keep a fixed orientation wrt Earth.

Stopping something is space is tricky. You have to use retro rockets. There is no braking in space. A retro rocket is fired to start an orientation. Upon firing the Hubble starts to rotate. Once the desired position is met another retro fired for the same time in an opposite direction. Any slight error and the Hubble would not quite stop perfectly.

My question is - how do they stop it dead in its tracks?

[rodin]

Attitude control
The attitude (orientation) of the station is maintained by either of two mechanisms. Normally, a system using several control moment gyroscopes (CMGs) keeps the station oriented, with Destiny forward of Unity, the P truss on the port side, and Pirs on the earth-facing (nadir) side. When the CMG system becomes saturated—a situation whereby a CMG exceeds its operational range or cannot track a series of rapid movements—it can lose its ability to control station attitude.[62] In this event, the Russian attitude control system is designed to take over automatically, using thrusters to maintain station attitude, allowing the CMG system to desaturate. This scenario has only occurred once, during Expedition 10.[63] When a space shuttle is docked to the station, it can also be used to maintain station attitude. This procedure was used during STS-117 as the S3/S4 truss was being installed.[64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station

Presumably same for Hubble

They don't use retro rockets for small adjustments they use moveable axis gyroscopes (I think)

If you move the axis of a gyroscope inside a frame the frame will precess. Ypu could steer orientation by moving the axes of gyroscopes I think.