Post your pictures of Chem'ical' Trails!!!

[real6]

Made this thread for everyone to post their pictures of chemtrails from around the world...

[real6]

Some over NYC...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/REAL6/Picture045.jpg
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[luten2012]

This was taken over the South West of England in my home town:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd78/luten2012/l_ceeee5cefe6c470f931d429745c2bb9c.jpg

[banjoreality]

real 6 my heart goes out to you, one day they will fall, thanks to people like yourself, they have been spraying us, manipulating the weather worlwide.
here in Spain it's the same BS and the sleeping sheeple ahhhh man the fucking sleeple!!!!
I'll post some pics.

[real6]

real 6 my heart goes out to you, one day they will fall, thanks to people like yourself, they have been spraying us, manipulating the weather worlwide.
here in Spain it's the same BS and the sleeping sheeple ahhhh man the fucking sleeple!!!!
I'll post some pics.

I hear you. WOuld be nice just to see how crazy these chemtrails can get...

[pureheart]

How do you imbed an image without linking to a URL? My pictures aren't online.

[real6]

How do you imbed an image without linking to a URL? My pictures aren't online.

I used www.photobucket.com

[real6]

bump

[lw71]

http://i45.tinypic.com/dgkzt5.jpg

[antinwo]

OMG I am not sure what is worse the mobile phone tower or the chemtrails:eek:

[el jefe]

Posted this last week. Still unsure on where I stand with chemtrails. I mean Ive seen the plane but Ive heard numerous scientific explanations for what this could be.

To date no one has witnessed a plane spraying, went to the airport and took pics of it as proof?

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac265/JJonesIns/2009-11-10-091111_2190_1590_680.jpg

[hawks29]

north of england, i have some more somewhere

[hawks29]

north west england . some days it is really bad

[bard]

City of Brotherly Love, Penn's Forrest

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2137/picture016ro.jpg

[hawks29]

On one of the pictures above, you can see two planes leaving nothing while two more leave a plume all over the sky .

[wakeup2nwo]

this is one i put togeter this summer!

The Chemtrails that destroy our summer...... Leicester, England, 2009 - YouTube

[willys girl]

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[jamjim]

These were taken about 5:30am from the garden in the summer in north Surrey. There were crap loads of trails in every direction at that time already.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7539/pict0002small.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2589/pict0009smally.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4613/pict0010small.jpg

[redpill41]

we havent had any planes overhead now for weeks despite 15 a day a few months ago.

[raptorialis]

WE CAN ALL DO OUR BIT TO SLOW CLIMATE CHANGE TODAY.

THIS MADNESS MUST STOP - NOW!

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4785860/fart-main_Full.jpg

[h2pogo]

taken from near donosti (san sebastian)
not a cloud in the sky when i woke up..just one chemtrail..
this pick taken about an hour before the second looking in the same direction..

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz342/skypog/13102009107.jpg

look up if you want to investigate a crime..and leave that woman alone you muppets..

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz342/skypog/13102009111.jpg

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz342/skypog/13102009112.jpg

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these were taken from over the french border looking back into spain er i mean the baske..

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz342/skypog/13102009118.jpg

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz342/skypog/13102009119.jpg

[yass]

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This is your first picture. I was thinking how it had such an effect of being up so high and sort of looked like the one long line of trail, coming from top right to lower left seemed to have a shadow of some sort behind it above where it crosses. Almost as if it were a ceiling above it.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4642&d=1258494849

I can see it now without it being magnified, but when I was inspecting it magnified, I couldn't help but note this here chemtrail face.
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww114/unfathomable_album/ScreenShot041-2.jpg

[freckles]

This is at about 10.30am - Ireland

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2227/sdc13082.jpg

Not long after that.....

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/617/sdc13085.jpg

About 3 to 4 hours later.. ... ..

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7761/sdc13093.jpg

(Have a better time frame of the pics but my computer is too slow uploading)

[duckandcover]

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This is a good shot. If these trails are normal exhaust smoke or vapour trails from wingtips as the government would suggest, what happened to the plane that made this one, must`ve vanished into thin air !


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[h2pogo]

[QUOTE=h2pogo;1058418081]

This is a good shot. If these trails are normal exhaust smoke or vapour trails from wingtips as the government would suggest, what happened to the plane that made this one, must`ve vanished into thin air !


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ay..to my amazement the planes which were passing in pairs both stoped the trails at the same time..so did the pair going at 90degres..

i didnt take chemtrails serious till i saw these..
as i said it was a crystal clear day till the first planes flew over..
the last picture was taken about 12oclock..

[yass]

I noted el jefe said he didn't yet know what to make of the business, and I found a good supply of info provided by Andrew Hennessey.

This isn't a new article but I imagine will be new to many as it was to me when I landed and read it.

Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
The Observer, Sunday 21 April 2002 10.23

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience


ah, I almost left out the bottom line.

"Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.' "

[graflok]

From my observation the chemtrails are being used to dry out the atmosphere
(in my area at least). Whenever a weather system approaches, the trails
begin just before the clouds arrive and continue until just after they're gone.
When the skies are blue with no approaching clouds there are no trails.

Exception: there are chemtrails above areas just before "wild fires" break out
in that area.

They're also creating these "false clouds" a lot now. They resemble real clouds
but have a fibrous or powdery look to them. They're created with a short
chemtrail burst and then the winds morph them into false clouds.

I suspect this is all leading up to a global drought condition wherein they
will further control the population by controlling water supplies (which
has already started).

[velma]

This was taken over the South West of England in my home town:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd78/luten2012/l_ceeee5cefe6c470f931d429745c2bb9c.jpg


The SALTIRE, very common.

Here's one I made earlier in Norf London.

http://www.rense.com/general67/chemlon.htm

[secondsun]

.....how do you tell a Chemtrail from a Contrail???...or vice versa!.... can anyone help me on this?

[eternal wheel]

.....how do you tell a Chemtrail from a Contrail???...or vice versa!.... can anyone help me on this?

chemtrails are in the mind, contrails are in the sky......:p

but seriously, it seems to be very difficult...
you get persistant contrails, ones that start and stop, ones that 'fluff', ones that stay tight and ones that spread across the whole sky.
my guess is you need to observe the plane making the trail; if the trail starts slightly behind the plane, it's a contrail.

[eternal wheel]

From my observation the chemtrails are being used to dry out the atmosphere
can you explain this observation, and the reasoning behind it? in detail?


Whenever a weather system approaches, the trails
begin just before the clouds arrive and continue until just after they're gone.
When the skies are blue with no approaching clouds there are no trails.
you can and do get trails in clear blue skies.
do you not think a more logical reason might be that the air in front of the weather system has slightly more moisture in it, (hence the clouds forming....), so trails form more easily? rather than 'the man' and a multi-billion organised daily global spraying scheme??


They're also creating these "false clouds" a lot now. They resemble real clouds
but have a fibrous or powdery look to them. They're created with a short
chemtrail burst and then the winds morph them into false clouds.
are you sure these 'false clouds' arn't sylfs? benign invisible entities that live in our atmosphere and help mankind by eating the chemtrails??


I suspect this is all leading up to a global drought condition wherein they
will further control the population by controlling water supplies (which
has already started).

i suspect that 95% of 'chemtrails' are contrails, that civil airliners are creating a slight 'global dimming', and that 'they' don't need to spray shite into the atmosphere to control the water supplies....

time will tell which of us is right.....

[skylinenorwich]

Originally Posted by graflok
'From my observation the chemtrails are being used to dry out the atmosphere'

can you explain this observation, and the reasoning behind it? in detail?

This was explained in the 'That's impossible' documentary on the History channel.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Skip to around 1.50 and its explained how metal oxides can be released into the air then heated by haarp technologies to stop cloud formation and to cause drought.

[ramaytush]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/luke55555/DSCF0029.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/luke55555/DSCF0028.jpg

i witnessed these being sprayed until they spread into that blanket. then these circles started forming and looked like stuff was falling from the center of them.

[paolo]

Interesting to see the floods in Cumbria.
Back in the year there was a thread in ethericwarriors pinpointing the installations in the Canary Islands, um, Madeira I think, and up in Holland, directing the westerly fronts away from Spain, funnelling them up towards the UK, and when they reached Scotland, back across northern Europe and down
Thus bad summers and frequent floods in the UK and droughts and forest fires in the Med
The same seems to have happened again

[jairama]

this is interesting...

just from this thread i am starting to comprehend the global scale of control of the weather.

the frequency generators around the world seem to be working all together to move this radar chaf to where they want

they can push weather systems where they want

they can limit rainfall where they want

isn't this a UN project

i wonder if the UN charges its' member countries for specific weather modification?

or... if you don't pay us or follow our agenda, we'll direct extreme weather conditions in your country, ie drought in agriculture areas, and torrential downpours in flood prone areas...

i guess it doesn't matter

the bottom line for me is , i don't like them, although i know them intimately , i and the chemtrail become one, if for a period, and am grateful to breathe deeply when there are none around

i took a vacation to peru, mostly given impetus to travel by our friendly lines in the sky, and i can say without a doubt, that life w/o chemtrails is much to be preferred.

[ramaytush]

they dried up all the rain in california today.

[eternal wheel]

i witnessed these being sprayed until they spread into that blanket. then these circles started forming and looked like stuff was falling from the center of them.
don't let the facts stand in the way of some cool pics, eh:rolleyes::p
perhaps you also "witnessed" JFK being shot and pricess di being killed???:rolleyes:

pics are of cirrocumulus clouds with fallstreak holes. planes flying at that altitude in those weather conditions will leave persistant, spreading contrails. the 'falling stuff' is ice crystals.

some simple wiki for you.....
Cirrocumulus cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fallstreak hole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

cool pics, all the same.:cool:

[eternal wheel]

they dried up all the rain in california today.

'they'???

[ramaytush]

'they'???

yes. i believe that the chemtrails sap the moisture from the clouds. we were supposed to have a storm with an inch or more of rain. instead we got some sprinkles and a bunch of wind. as the rain clouds were clearing, above was a thick mat of chemtrails.

also very interesting with that fallstreak hole. couldn't these also form in a contrail blanket as well?

[eternal wheel]

yes. i believe that the chemtrails sap the moisture from the clouds.
entirely logical.
contrails use the water in the atmosphere that would otherwise form clouds

we were supposed to have a storm with an inch or more of rain. instead we got some sprinkles and a bunch of wind.
weather forecasters can get it wrong, in fact, i'd guess they're more often wrong than right. ;)
as the rain clouds were clearing, above was a thick mat of chemtrails.

there would be contrails above, there was a lot of water in the air, thats why the clouds formed in the first place......


also very interesting with that fallstreak hole. couldn't these also form in a contrail blanket as well?
i don't see why not, if it was thick enough.

[tzlr_17]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2716/4145392328_7f2be13190_b.jpg

I already posted this in the wrong thread :o

The fullsize image can be viewed here:
All sizes | square | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

This is Marrakech by the way : )

[lw71]

don't let the facts stand in the way of some cool pics, eh:rolleyes::p
perhaps you also "witnessed" JFK being shot and pricess di being killed???:rolleyes:

pics are of cirrocumulus clouds with fallstreak holes. planes flying at that altitude in those weather conditions will leave persistant, spreading contrails. the 'falling stuff' is ice crystals.

some simple wiki for you.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrocumulus_cloud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallstreak_hole

cool pics, all the same.:cool:

Er, think it might be the wrong pub for you again EW :rolleyes:

[branjo]

You know I am bloody sick of these things, the other day I was just thinking to myself, wow I haven't seen a chemtrail for ages in my neck of the woods (Illinois) and I felt better knowing that. Then letting my dogs out to do the business the other night I look up and the moon has highlighted a big dirty one going across the sky. I thought "fuckers" the next day I wake up with a stuffy nose and now it "seems" like am getting the common cold.

Was it was they were spraying? Was it me thinking that I could get sick from what they were spraying?

Either bloody way, it was there and it pissed me off and now my body has somehow reacted to it.

[eternal wheel]

You know I am bloody sick of these things, the other day I was just thinking to myself, wow I haven't seen a chemtrail for ages in my neck of the woods (Illinois) and I felt better knowing that. Then letting my dogs out to do the business the other night I look up and the moon has highlighted a big dirty one going across the sky. I thought "fuckers" the next day I wake up with a stuffy nose and now it "seems" like am getting the common cold.

Was it was they were spraying? Was it me thinking that I could get sick from what they were spraying?

Either bloody way, it was there and it pissed me off and now my body has somehow reacted to it.

maybe it was just a plane flying over, taking some people on holiday, and you were going to get a cold anyway??
just because we're interested in conspiracy theroies, it doesn't mean every little thing is one...

[infowarrior89uk]

Very strange skies today in Berks.

http://i47.tinypic.com/34pnh92.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/21doj5t.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2qsylaq.jpg

[branjo]

maybe it was just a plane flying over, taking some people on holiday, and you were going to get a cold anyway??
just because we're interested in conspiracy theroies, it doesn't mean every little thing is one...

And maybe you should learn the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail, and just because you can't spell "theories" correctly doesn't mean they don't exist, see how that works...lol :)

[lw71]

And maybe you should learn the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail, and just because you can't spell "theories" correctly doesn't mean they don't exist, see how that works...lol :)

:eek:

...& I thought EW was pretty hot with the grammar !?!!!!?!??!

Maybe they've changed shifts 'cos he sure could spell good before ;)

[eternal wheel]

And maybe you should learn the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail,

bakatcha. :p:p

[eternal wheel]

:eek:

...& I thought EW was pretty hot with the grammar !?!!!!?!??!

Maybe they've changed shifts 'cos he sure could spell good before ;)
:D;)

[rockinrobinsuk]

lmao he or it or them slated me for my grammer on another thread because i would not swallow its bullshit lol:D

[real6]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/luke55555/DSCF0029.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/luke55555/DSCF0028.jpg

i witnessed these being sprayed until they spread into that blanket. then these circles started forming and looked like stuff was falling from the center of them.

That's a weird sky/cloud.

[academylin]

Yeah. Anthony1965 will know what they are, I'll mail him!

[eternal wheel]

they're fallstreak holes.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=fallstreak+hole+pic&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=VC2VS9zRMc-TjAfxvLWACw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBEQsAQwAA

[anthony1965]

Yeah. Anthony1965 will know what they are, I'll mail him!

I'm actually not sure what causes these holes.

The official theory sounds like bollocks though. Something about being caused by a plane flying through them. I can't remember the exact wording.

Cloud seeding has been suggested. Cloud seeding takes on various forms, some of them absolutely public knowledge, for example, the big car makers in Germany park thousands of cars outside and spray the clouds if hailstones are likely.

My first thought was EM energy from antennas, given the almost perfect circular shape, but I've never witnessed this formation. It would be interesting to know exactly where these holes occur.

** The rest of the sky on these photos shows the hallmarks of artificial clouds, indicating that EM energy is at play here.

[eternal wheel]

I'm actually not sure what causes these holes.

i am.
they're fallstreak holes, or 'hole-punch clouds' as the yanks call them.
the clouds are formed of super-cooled water. when a plane flies through the cloud the particulates in the exhaust act as a catalyst allowing the particles to
condense into ice crystals around them. the ice crystals are heavier because they are bigger, so they fall. after a while, they evaporate.

[jp13]

I hope this works just trying it out to see, lot of chem or Trails in the sky this weekend, not at night tho'
http://yfrog.com/jddsc00732vaj
well I checked it out, and think that is crap, there is and will be a better way, but all in all it took me about 3-5minutes bluetoothing to the laptop, then uploading, then back to here where I posted link, quite fast for me.

[anthony1965]

i am.
they're fallstreak holes, or 'hole-punch clouds' as the yanks call them.
the clouds are formed of super-cooled water. when a plane flies through the cloud the particulates in the exhaust act as a catalyst allowing the particles to
condense into ice crystals around them. the ice crystals are heavier because they are bigger, so they fall. after a while, they evaporate.

So you're sure. Good for you.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Why does it happen so rarely?

Under what particular circumstances, given that it is such a rare occurrence.

The official explanation you offer sounds so simple that I would expect it to happen much more frequently.

You're easily satisfied ny the official line eternal.

here is an interesting site with more examples, and various official explanations.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/Hole%20Punch%20Cloud%20reports.htm

Note what appears to be a weatherball in this photo:

http://www.shadowresearch.com/images/111200cloud2.jpg

Here is one explanation. The one that eternal is so sure of. Funny how the met experts aren't so sure. You wonder how eternal is so sure of himself.

Hole Punch Cloud over Mobile, Alabama, in the US, has left scientists puzzled. -

Local resident Joel Knain said as he took pictures: "I immediately realized that I was seeing something unique."

Meteorological experts believe the hole formed when ice-crystals from a passing plane fell through the cloud, causing the water droplets in it to evaporate.

Experts say the process involved is related to that of cloud seeding, which is used to make rain over crop fields.

Stuck inside of Mobile

The unusual phenomenon was observed on 11 December last year.

"I ran inside to get my camera and shot-off 10-12 frames to capture the scene," Joel told BBC News Online.

"I would guess that we stood there for 10-15 minutes just staring in amazement."

Strictly speaking there is no scientific term for the apparition, and what exactly it is has been the subject of much meteorological speculation.

One hypothesis is that the hole is made by falling ice-crystals that could have come from the exhaust of a passing aircraft.

It is possible the air was at just the right temperature and with just the right moisture content so that the falling crystals could absorb water from the air and grow.

The moisture removed from the air could have increased the evaporation of the cloud's water droplets, which then disappeared to produce the dramatic hole.

The wispy clouds seen below the hole may be heavier ice-crystals that have fallen from the hole, evaporating (the correct term is subliming) before they reach the ground.

Here is the cloud referred to. Note the cloud within the hole and note also that the remainder of the cloud looks very artificial.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/weather/hoplepunch2004.jpg

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Here is another example from Melbourne in 2000. Note that these cloud effects appear to be very rare. They refer to a similar cloud effect in 1993.

The description offered does not mention eternal's lone plane theory. No wonder, because that is bullshit. But the description offered does sound very much as if the weather manipulators were at play. Look at the photos to see what the met man refers to as a deck of cirrocumulus. Artificial clouds. Note the light effect. Chemicals at work?

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/novholepunch20082.jpg

Hole-punch clouds over Melbourne -
Photos courtesy of National Weather Service, Melbourne. Photographers: Matt Bragaw, Peter Blottman. (See story below)

Ice crystals and the influence of the jet stream helped produce this dramatic scene on Thursday, Nov. 9 over the National Weather Service office in Melbourne. Meteorologists call this formation "hole-punch" clouds.
Ice crystals, jet stream winds combine for rare display

By David Larimer
FLORIDA TODAY weather columnist
A unusual cloud formation appeared in skies over the Space Coast on Thursday caused by ice crystals and enhanced by the jet stream.

There is no scientific term for the cloud display you see above. The National Weather Service calls the formation "hole-punch" clouds because of the oval-shaped opening.

The image was captured by meteorologists Matt Bragaw and Peter Blottman at the weather service office in Melbourne on Thursday morning.

The display is rare but has occurred in Melbourne skies in years past. In 1993, the weather service's Dennis Decker photographed a similar display. His dramatic photo was published in a national weather magazine.

Randy Lascody, a senior meteorologist at the weather service office, explained the conditions that led to the striking formation:

"The atmosphere on Thursday was very dry from about 5000 to 28,000 feet. There was a rather extensive deck of cirrocumulus (mixture of 'super cooled' water droplets and ice crystals) invading the sky associated with strong westerly jet stream winds.

"However, the 'hole-punch' features were aligned north/south. This suggests that there was some sort of 'wave' in the atmosphere that was causing rising/sinking air couplets.

"This would cause ice crystals in the descending portion of the wave to fall into the super cooled (liquid) cloud layer. When this occurs, the ice crystals grow (at the expense of the liquid droplets). Therefore, a hole opened in the deck of cirrocumulus.

"This process is similar to the principle used in cloud seeding to make cloud particles larger and produce precipitation. In this case, the precipitation aloft (meteorological term is 'virga') descended into the dry air below 28,000 feet and evaporated (actually, the proper term for this process is 'sublimated').

"The virga is evident in a few of the pictures descending from the center of the hole in the clouds. This resulted in a cone-shaped cloud high in the atmosphere that I'm sure a few people thought was a funnel cloud."

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Another example, another explanation and even an admission by the military of wether modification in the area.

Still so sure of yourself eternal? :)

http://www.shadowresearch.com/weather/skypunch.jpg

Hole Punch - Circle in Clouds - Tennessee -

From the Coast to Coast Website (Artbell)

This photo (see full image below) was taken from my backyard between 10:00AM and 10:15AM 3/4/2003 with a Kodak Digital Camera. The circles appear to be in the direction of Nashville TN which is about 32 miles south west of my home in Gallatin, TN.

I sent them to a local televison station meteorologist. He said he had 2 theories. He said it could have been what the weather people call a thermal inversion, Which means warm air rising in a circular motion much like a tornado only in reverse.

He also said the AMS (American Meteorological Society) mentioned in the AMS report, there are experiments with rain prevention being used by the U S Air Force that have been known to cause this. He featured it on last night's weather report on the local Fox News channel.

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Another example from Florida where one version uses eternal's lame jet contrail theory. Note again the fake clouds and the light effect.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/novholepunch20082.jpg

Another explanation is offered: Again, we see that this effect is very rare.

Apparently, a number of conditions can cause the formation.

On Tuesday, there was a layer of clouds high enough to be mostly ice crystals instead of simply condensed water. The air was highly stable, so the clouds were fairly uniform. A pocket of cold air, which sinks toward the ground, "punched" the hole in the clouds and created the circular opening. That's what the meteorologists at News Channel 8 say.

Sometimes rising air can cause the same effect.

These cloud formations have been observed before but are rare enough to catch the attention of the weather service

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Texas. And "fake as fuck clouds"! Eternal and his fellow debunkers will no doubt provide us with the official bullshit theory of the long strips broken in the cloud.

There is a very important clue provided here: The ice crystals change state from a solid to a gas (to a plasma)

Plasma stealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plasma stealth is a proposed process that uses ionized gas (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section (RCS) of an aircraft. Interactions between electromagnetic radiation and ionized gas have been extensively studied for a variety of purposes, including the possible concealment of aircraft from radar that plasma stealth theorizes.

A plasma is a quasineutral (total electrical charge is close to zero) mix of ions (atoms which have been ionized, and therefore possess a net charge), electrons, and neutral particles (possibly including un-ionized atoms). Not all plasmas are fully ionized.

Plasmas can interact strongly with electromagnetic radiation:

When electromagnetic waves, such as radar signals, propagate into a conductive plasma, ions and electrons are displaced as a result of the time varying electric and magnetic fields.

http://www.gnrtr.com/Data_eng/ContBlocks/00102/plane_plasma.jpg

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1009-0630/6/4/017

Abstract. By analyzing the time evolution of artificial plasma cloud in the high altitude of atmospheric environment, we found that there are two zones, an exponential attenuation zone and a linearly attenuating zone, existing in the spatial distribution of electron density of the artificial plasma clouds. The plasma generator's particle flux density only contributes to the exponential attenuation zone, and has no effect on the linear attenuation zone. The average electron density in the linear attenuation zone is about 10-5 of neutral particle density, and can diffuse over a wider area. The conclusion will supply some valuable references to the research of electromagnetic wave and artificial plasma interaction, the plasma invisibleness research of missile and special aerocraft, and the design of artificial plasma source.

The people on the ground watching the show these clouds made didn’t have to worry about getting wet or being showered with ice. When the general atmospheric conditions aren’t favorable for rain, the falling ice crystals sublimate—change state directly from a solid to a gas—as they pass through warmer layers of the atmosphere.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/texas_tmo_2007029.jpg


http://www.newruskincollege.com/gorbachevbushartificialcloudsinstitutenewruskincol legecom/id15.html

Using more-innocuous dust to reflect sunlight does not work; it drifts away, driven off by the sun's light pressure. But the upper atmosphere is still a good place to intervene, because much sunlight gets absorbed in the atmosphere on its way to us. Also, measures far above our heads trouble us less.

Other sorts of reflectors at high altitudes are promising. Spreading dust in the stratosphere appears workable because at those heights tiny particles stay aloft for several years. This is why volcanoes spewing dust affect weather strongly. The tiny motes that redden our sundowns reflect more sunlight than they trap infrared.

Even better than dust are microscopic droplets of sulfuric acid, which reflects light more effectively. Sulfate aerosols can also raise the number of droplets that make clouds condense, further increasing overall reflectivity. This could then be a local cooling, easier to monitor than carbon dioxide's global warming. We could perform such small, controllable experiments now. The amount of droplets or dust needed is a hundredth of the amount already blown into the atmosphere by natural processes, so we would not be venturing big dislocations. And we would get some spectacular sunsets in the bargain.

As usual, there are human-centered concerns. The Environmental Protection Agency hammers away at particulate levels, blaming them for lung disorders. Luckily, high- altitude dust would come down mostly in raindrops, not making us cough. The cheapest way of delivering dust to the stratosphere is to shoot it up, not fly it. Big naval guns fired straight up can put a one-ton shell 20 kilometers high, where it would explode and spread the dust. This costs only a hundredth as much as the space-parasol idea. But booming naval guns that rattle windows for miles around are likely to provoke more than a few Not in My Backyard reactions.

Fortunately, there is a ready alternative to dust in any form: jet fuel. Changing the fuel mixture in a jet engine to burn rich can leave a ribbon of fog behind for up to three months, though as it spreads it becomes invisible to the eye. These motes would also come down mostly in rain, not troubling the brow of the EPA. Fuel costs about 15 percent of airlines' cash operating expenses, and running rich increases costs by only a few percent. For about $10 million, this method would offset the 1990 U.S. greenhouse emissions. Adding this to the cost of an airline ticket would boost prices perhaps 1 percent. An added asset is that quietly running rich on airline fuel will attract little notice, doesn't even change sunsets, and is hard to muster a media-saturated demonstration against.

But there are, as always, side effects. Dust or sulfuric acid would heat the stratosphere, too, with unknown impact. Some scientists suspect the ozone layer could be affected. If a widespread experiment showed this, we could turn off the effect within roughly a year as the dust settled down and got rained out. (Smaller experiments should show this first, of course.)

These ideas envision doing what natural clouds do already as the major players in the total albedo picture. A 4 percent increase in stratocumulus over the oceans would offset global carbon dioxide emission. Land reflects sunlight much better than the wine-dark seas, so putting clouds far out from land, and preferably in the tropics, gets the greatest leverage.

Clouds condense around microscopic nuclei, often the kind of sulfuric acid droplets the geoengineers want to spread in the stratosphere. The oceans make such droplets as sea algae decays, and the natural production rate sets the limit on how many clouds form over the seas. Clouds cover about 31 percent of our globe already, so a 4 percent increase is not going to noticeably ruin anybody's day.

[eternal wheel]

they're not rare anthony, they're reletively common.
i can't be bothered to wade through yet more reams of your postings. how do you expect anyone to bother reading all that??

it's a reletively common, natural occourance.

your grip on reality is drifting....

[anthony1965]

they're not rare anthony, they're reletively common.
i can't be bothered to wade through yet more reams of your postings. how do you expect anyone to bother reading all that??

it's a reletively common, natural occourance.

your grip on reality is drifting....

You claim that you are sure, when the meteorological experts quoted here say that they can only theorize. They are not sure. And you are too lazy to read the information I posted above.

You claim that they are a common occurrence yet the articles clearly state that these are rare occurrences worthy of attention by the experts when they occur. Who then come up with varying explanations.

My grip on reality is drifting?

I don't think so. I made the effort to get different accounts of these phenomenon and study what was said then look for additional clues. And I provided the references to lots more information from which I tried to summarize a few highlights.

You, lazy article, sit on your arse, claim that you are sure and ignore the evidence that your version is one of many and is the least convincing. It's bullshit.

I posted this in the expectation that there are other readers who are prepared to take the time to read through all of the information provided and come to their own conclusions.

[anthony1965]

they're not rare anthony, they're reletively common.
i can't be bothered to wade through yet more reams of your postings. how do you expect anyone to bother reading all that??

it's a reletively common, natural occourance.

your grip on reality is drifting....

You are bullshitting completely eternal.

Care to step back into the truth zone now?

Relatively common? :confused:

No.

http://www.meteorologynews.com/2009/10/12/hole-punch-cloud-not-ufo-spotted-over-moscow/

Everyone else on the planet seems to insist that they are rare.

Why do you insist that they are common?

The Moscow cloud is referred to as a hole punch cloud but looks rather different to the other examples.

Note that the Russians announced cloud seeding operations around Moscow in 2009.

http://www.meteorologynews.com/2009/10/19/moscow-testing-cloud-seeding-promises-winter-without-snow/

The mayor of Moscow has pledged his full support to a plan to seed the clouds upwind from Moscow as a means of encouraging precipitation to fall from the clouds before they reach Moscow. It is his hope that the clouds that then blanket the city will not result in the usual heavy winter snowfalls Moscow is so well known for.

The Mayor is planning to spend several million dollars to pay the Russian Air Force to fly over the city and spray a fine mist of particulate matter into the clouds. The hope is that the particles that are sprayed will cause moisture to quickly condense on them, forming small cloud droplets or snowflakes much sooner than they would normally form. This “fast-forwaring” of the snow-making process would cause the clouds to create snow that would then fall to the ground before the clouds ever arrived in Moscow. The mayor contends such efforts would save the city millions in snow-removal costs and the quality of life improvement would be immeasurable.

Just last week, a mysterious cloud formation was spotted over Moscow. Referred to as a “halo cloud” or a “UFO cloud,” the rare formation likely had a much more innocuous title as a “hole punch cloud.” The cloud was filmed and the images quickly spread across the web, creating quite a buzz about its cause. As reported earlier by MeteorologyNews.com, the cloud was likely a simple hole punch cloud, whose origins are somewhat mysterious, although several theories support the notion that such clouds form when a cloud is comprised of ice crystals and super-cooled water droplets that are disturbed. The disturbance causes a quick transformation of the super-cooled droplets into ice which clings to existing ice particles and floats to the ground or sublimates. The quick dissipation of the water droplets creates a void, or hole.

It thus seems reasonable that the disturbance that caused last week’s hole punch cloud could reasonably be assumed to have been efforts by the Russian Air Force to test out its most recent cloud-seeding efforts in anticipation of the upcoming winter. The Russian military has offered no confirmation of such suspicion.
It was recently reported that Mayor Yury Luzhkov is no stranger to such grand efforts to manipulate nature. In 2007, the Russian government made a similar attempt at cloud seeding by dropping cement dust into clouds. But that attempt led to disastrous results: one bag of cement dust failed to dissipate in the cloud, instead falling to earth and crashing through the roof of a house. In 2002, he led a project to reverse the flow of the River Ob in Siberia in an effort to help irrigate the region’s agricultural zones. Scientists have responded that such efforts were impractical, although such failures have not stopped Luzhkov from trying his hand at further manipulations of mother nature.

Such cloud seeding efforts are not new. Going back to World War II, many countries have attempted to seed the clouds to either generate precipitation where it was needed or to prevent precipitation where it is unwanted. As recently as early 2008, it was rumored that the Chinese government was planning such weather modification efforts as a means of scouring the air of smog prior to the Olympic Games, as well as ensuring rain-free days for outdoor sporting events. It is unclear if such efforts were employed or if they were successful.

[antinwo]

I see the disinfo agent is back again:rolleyes:

[lw71]

So you're sure. Good for you.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Why does it happen so rarely?

Under what particular circumstances, given that it is such a rare occurrence.

The official explanation you offer sounds so simple that I would expect it to happen much more frequently.

You're easily satisfied ny the official line eternal.

here is an interesting site with more examples, and various official explanations.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/Hole%20Punch%20Cloud%20reports.htm

Note what appears to be a weatherball in this photo:

http://www.shadowresearch.com/images/111200cloud2.jpg

Here is one explanation. The one that eternal is so sure of. Funny how the met experts aren't so sure. You wonder how eternal is so sure of himself.

Hole Punch Cloud over Mobile, Alabama, in the US, has left scientists puzzled. -

Local resident Joel Knain said as he took pictures: "I immediately realized that I was seeing something unique."

Meteorological experts believe the hole formed when ice-crystals from a passing plane fell through the cloud, causing the water droplets in it to evaporate.

Experts say the process involved is related to that of cloud seeding, which is used to make rain over crop fields.

Stuck inside of Mobile

The unusual phenomenon was observed on 11 December last year.

"I ran inside to get my camera and shot-off 10-12 frames to capture the scene," Joel told BBC News Online.

"I would guess that we stood there for 10-15 minutes just staring in amazement."

Strictly speaking there is no scientific term for the apparition, and what exactly it is has been the subject of much meteorological speculation.

One hypothesis is that the hole is made by falling ice-crystals that could have come from the exhaust of a passing aircraft.

It is possible the air was at just the right temperature and with just the right moisture content so that the falling crystals could absorb water from the air and grow.

The moisture removed from the air could have increased the evaporation of the cloud's water droplets, which then disappeared to produce the dramatic hole.

The wispy clouds seen below the hole may be heavier ice-crystals that have fallen from the hole, evaporating (the correct term is subliming) before they reach the ground.

Here is the cloud referred to. Note the cloud within the hole and note also that the remainder of the cloud looks very artificial.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/weather/hoplepunch2004.jpg

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Here is another example from Melbourne in 2000. Note that these cloud effects appear to be very rare. They refer to a similar cloud effect in 1993.

The description offered does not mention eternal's lone plane theory. No wonder, because that is bullshit. But the description offered does sound very much as if the weather manipulators were at play. Look at the photos to see what the met man refers to as a deck of cirrocumulus. Artificial clouds. Note the light effect. Chemicals at work?

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/novholepunch20082.jpg

Hole-punch clouds over Melbourne -
Photos courtesy of National Weather Service, Melbourne. Photographers: Matt Bragaw, Peter Blottman. (See story below)

Ice crystals and the influence of the jet stream helped produce this dramatic scene on Thursday, Nov. 9 over the National Weather Service office in Melbourne. Meteorologists call this formation "hole-punch" clouds.
Ice crystals, jet stream winds combine for rare display

By David Larimer
FLORIDA TODAY weather columnist
A unusual cloud formation appeared in skies over the Space Coast on Thursday caused by ice crystals and enhanced by the jet stream.

There is no scientific term for the cloud display you see above. The National Weather Service calls the formation "hole-punch" clouds because of the oval-shaped opening.

The image was captured by meteorologists Matt Bragaw and Peter Blottman at the weather service office in Melbourne on Thursday morning.

The display is rare but has occurred in Melbourne skies in years past. In 1993, the weather service's Dennis Decker photographed a similar display. His dramatic photo was published in a national weather magazine.

Randy Lascody, a senior meteorologist at the weather service office, explained the conditions that led to the striking formation:

"The atmosphere on Thursday was very dry from about 5000 to 28,000 feet. There was a rather extensive deck of cirrocumulus (mixture of 'super cooled' water droplets and ice crystals) invading the sky associated with strong westerly jet stream winds.

"However, the 'hole-punch' features were aligned north/south. This suggests that there was some sort of 'wave' in the atmosphere that was causing rising/sinking air couplets.

"This would cause ice crystals in the descending portion of the wave to fall into the super cooled (liquid) cloud layer. When this occurs, the ice crystals grow (at the expense of the liquid droplets). Therefore, a hole opened in the deck of cirrocumulus.

"This process is similar to the principle used in cloud seeding to make cloud particles larger and produce precipitation. In this case, the precipitation aloft (meteorological term is 'virga') descended into the dry air below 28,000 feet and evaporated (actually, the proper term for this process is 'sublimated').

"The virga is evident in a few of the pictures descending from the center of the hole in the clouds. This resulted in a cone-shaped cloud high in the atmosphere that I'm sure a few people thought was a funnel cloud."

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Another example, another explanation and even an admission by the military of wether modification in the area.

Still so sure of yourself eternal? :)

http://www.shadowresearch.com/weather/skypunch.jpg

Hole Punch - Circle in Clouds - Tennessee -

From the Coast to Coast Website (Artbell)

This photo (see full image below) was taken from my backyard between 10:00AM and 10:15AM 3/4/2003 with a Kodak Digital Camera. The circles appear to be in the direction of Nashville TN which is about 32 miles south west of my home in Gallatin, TN.

I sent them to a local televison station meteorologist. He said he had 2 theories. He said it could have been what the weather people call a thermal inversion, Which means warm air rising in a circular motion much like a tornado only in reverse.

He also said the AMS (American Meteorological Society) mentioned in the AMS report, there are experiments with rain prevention being used by the U S Air Force that have been known to cause this. He featured it on last night's weather report on the local Fox News channel.

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Another example from Florida where one version uses eternal's lame jet contrail theory. Note again the fake clouds and the light effect.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/novholepunch20082.jpg

Another explanation is offered: Again, we see that this effect is very rare.

Apparently, a number of conditions can cause the formation.

On Tuesday, there was a layer of clouds high enough to be mostly ice crystals instead of simply condensed water. The air was highly stable, so the clouds were fairly uniform. A pocket of cold air, which sinks toward the ground, "punched" the hole in the clouds and created the circular opening. That's what the meteorologists at News Channel 8 say.

Sometimes rising air can cause the same effect.

These cloud formations have been observed before but are rare enough to catch the attention of the weather service

*****

Texas. And "fake as fuck clouds"! Eternal and his fellow debunkers will no doubt provide us with the official bullshit theory of the long strips broken in the cloud.

There is a very important clue provided here: The ice crystals change state from a solid to a gas (to a plasma)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth

Plasma stealth is a proposed process that uses ionized gas (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section (RCS) of an aircraft. Interactions between electromagnetic radiation and ionized gas have been extensively studied for a variety of purposes, including the possible concealment of aircraft from radar that plasma stealth theorizes.

A plasma is a quasineutral (total electrical charge is close to zero) mix of ions (atoms which have been ionized, and therefore possess a net charge), electrons, and neutral particles (possibly including un-ionized atoms). Not all plasmas are fully ionized.

Plasmas can interact strongly with electromagnetic radiation:

When electromagnetic waves, such as radar signals, propagate into a conductive plasma, ions and electrons are displaced as a result of the time varying electric and magnetic fields.

http://www.gnrtr.com/Data_eng/ContBlocks/00102/plane_plasma.jpg

http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1009-0630/6/4/017

Abstract. By analyzing the time evolution of artificial plasma cloud in the high altitude of atmospheric environment, we found that there are two zones, an exponential attenuation zone and a linearly attenuating zone, existing in the spatial distribution of electron density of the artificial plasma clouds. The plasma generator's particle flux density only contributes to the exponential attenuation zone, and has no effect on the linear attenuation zone. The average electron density in the linear attenuation zone is about 10-5 of neutral particle density, and can diffuse over a wider area. The conclusion will supply some valuable references to the research of electromagnetic wave and artificial plasma interaction, the plasma invisibleness research of missile and special aerocraft, and the design of artificial plasma source.

The people on the ground watching the show these clouds made didn’t have to worry about getting wet or being showered with ice. When the general atmospheric conditions aren’t favorable for rain, the falling ice crystals sublimate—change state directly from a solid to a gas—as they pass through warmer layers of the atmosphere.

http://www.shadowresearch.com/HolePunch%20Clouds/texas_tmo_2007029.jpg


http://www.newruskincollege.com/gorbachevbushartificialcloudsinstitutenewruskincol legecom/id15.html

Using more-innocuous dust to reflect sunlight does not work; it drifts away, driven off by the sun's light pressure. But the upper atmosphere is still a good place to intervene, because much sunlight gets absorbed in the atmosphere on its way to us. Also, measures far above our heads trouble us less.

Other sorts of reflectors at high altitudes are promising. Spreading dust in the stratosphere appears workable because at those heights tiny particles stay aloft for several years. This is why volcanoes spewing dust affect weather strongly. The tiny motes that redden our sundowns reflect more sunlight than they trap infrared.

Even better than dust are microscopic droplets of sulfuric acid, which reflects light more effectively. Sulfate aerosols can also raise the number of droplets that make clouds condense, further increasing overall reflectivity. This could then be a local cooling, easier to monitor than carbon dioxide's global warming. We could perform such small, controllable experiments now. The amount of droplets or dust needed is a hundredth of the amount already blown into the atmosphere by natural processes, so we would not be venturing big dislocations. And we would get some spectacular sunsets in the bargain.

As usual, there are human-centered concerns. The Environmental Protection Agency hammers away at particulate levels, blaming them for lung disorders. Luckily, high- altitude dust would come down mostly in raindrops, not making us cough. The cheapest way of delivering dust to the stratosphere is to shoot it up, not fly it. Big naval guns fired straight up can put a one-ton shell 20 kilometers high, where it would explode and spread the dust. This costs only a hundredth as much as the space-parasol idea. But booming naval guns that rattle windows for miles around are likely to provoke more than a few Not in My Backyard reactions.

Fortunately, there is a ready alternative to dust in any form: jet fuel. Changing the fuel mixture in a jet engine to burn rich can leave a ribbon of fog behind for up to three months, though as it spreads it becomes invisible to the eye. These motes would also come down mostly in rain, not troubling the brow of the EPA. Fuel costs about 15 percent of airlines' cash operating expenses, and running rich increases costs by only a few percent. For about $10 million, this method would offset the 1990 U.S. greenhouse emissions. Adding this to the cost of an airline ticket would boost prices perhaps 1 percent. An added asset is that quietly running rich on airline fuel will attract little notice, doesn't even change sunsets, and is hard to muster a media-saturated demonstration against.

But there are, as always, side effects. Dust or sulfuric acid would heat the stratosphere, too, with unknown impact. Some scientists suspect the ozone layer could be affected. If a widespread experiment showed this, we could turn off the effect within roughly a year as the dust settled down and got rained out. (Smaller experiments should show this first, of course.)

These ideas envision doing what natural clouds do already as the major players in the total albedo picture. A 4 percent increase in stratocumulus over the oceans would offset global carbon dioxide emission. Land reflects sunlight much better than the wine-dark seas, so putting clouds far out from land, and preferably in the tropics, gets the greatest leverage.

Clouds condense around microscopic nuclei, often the kind of sulfuric acid droplets the geoengineers want to spread in the stratosphere. The oceans make such droplets as sea algae decays, and the natural production rate sets the limit on how many clouds form over the seas. Clouds cover about 31 percent of our globe already, so a 4 percent increase is not going to noticeably ruin anybody's day.

Good post - thanks :)

[lw71]

they're not rare anthony, they're reletively common.
i can't be bothered to wade through yet more reams of your postings. how do you expect anyone to bother reading all that??

it's a reletively common, natural occourance.

your grip on reality is drifting....


:rolleyes:

personally, i wouldn't say it's a "reletively common, natural occourance"

but a relatively uncommon, unnatural occurrence. seems to me that the types that frequent a pub with the moniker of "post your pictures of chemical trails" might feel that it is of interest & not just to be dismissed.

i wouldn't go so far as suggesting you go hang out here...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98242

;)

but maybe setting up a thread along the lines of "who wants me to berate them for believing in chemtrails, weather manipulation, etc & attempt to convince them otherwise" might be more productive. not wanting to sound ungrateful or censorious but endless bouts of 'yes it is / no it ain't' ping-pong betwixt your good self & other posters do get a bit tedious don't they ? surely you don't find admonishing & baiting us nutters that might consider these possibilities that entertaining ?

:cool: