Gordon Brown ruled out a referendum

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Boy have the BBC been playing this one down today. Maybe they're nervous about implementing Hitler's diseased dream for Europe run by the European Round Table of Industrialists and the unelected European Commission.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2886379.ece
Brown rules out union demands for vote on EU
By Anne Penketh and Colin Brown
Published: 23 August 2007

Gordon Brown ruled out a referendum on the revised EU treaty last night as four trade unions which bankroll the Labour Party backed Conservative demands for a vote.

"The proper way to discuss this is through detailed discussion in the House of Commons," Mr Brown told reporters after his first meeting as Prime Minister with the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel. "I believe Parliament will pass this legislation." ..............

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Brown faces Labour revolt over EU referendum
By Brendan Carlin, Toby Helm and Martin Banks
Last Updated: 3:13am BST 24/08/2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2PDZ0CENA2NUDQFI QMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/08/24/neu124.xml

Gordon Brown faces a growing Labour insurrection over his refusal to allow a referendum on the controversial EU treaty, it has emerged.

A "hard core" of at least 40 Labour MPs is poised to issue the Prime Minister with an ultimatum to re-open talks on the treaty or concede a referendum.

Angela Merkel and Gordon Brown held talks on the EU treaty before watching England take on Germany at Wembley Stadium
They are preparing a 15-point plan to put to Mr Brown calling for the Brussels blueprint to be radically amended to end the need for a British referendum.

Among their likely demands will be the removal of the proposal to create a new EU foreign minister, a controversial idea also included in the original, rejected 2005 EU constitution.

The Labour MPs, led by Ian Davidson, MP for Glasgow South West, may also call on Mr Brown to use a revised treaty to amend the 2004 EU directive on freedom of movement.

The directive is now being blamed for preventing the UK from deporting Learco Chindamo, the man who murdered head teacher Philip Lawrence, back to his native Italy.

Labour went into the 2005 general election promising a referendum on the original EU constitution which was then voted down by Dutch and French voters.

But any attempt to re-open talks now with EU leaders will spark a blazing row, with Brussels insisting that the main issues covered by the treaty agreed at the June EU summit are legally-binding and with only "fine-tuning" now left to be done.

Viscount Etienne Davignon, a former European Commission vice-president, has said that Britain must "stop holding up" other EU members and sign up to the controversial European treaty.

The Prime Minister insists that the new treaty is substantially different from the old constitution and no longer requires a referendum.

Speaking after meeting Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor and main architect of the new treaty, on Wednesday, Mr Brown said: "The proper way to discuss this is in the House of Commons and the House of Lords."

But on Thursday even Gwyneth Dunwoody, the respected and long-serving Labour chairman of the Commons' transport committee, disagreed and called for a referendum in this "rare" case.

The Daily Telegraph's own "let the people decide" petition for a referendum has now been signed by almost 58,000 people - an 8,000 increase in three days.

Labour rebels will be emboldened by the fact that Mr Blair originally refused to promise a referendum on the old constitution plan and was forced to back down.

And Mr Davidson urged the new Prime Minister to abandon Tony Blair's later refusal to hold a vote on the new EU treaty just as he tore up his predecessor's plans for a giant super-casino.

Mr Brown should appeal to other EU leaders to realise that he was now under "domestic pressure" and needed to give way on the referendum, the MP said.......
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"Democracy is sustained not by public trust but by public scepticism"
George Monbiot

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Yes please... we will leave at once! Please everyone sign this petition wherever you are from:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=X52F12VFG3RTTQFIQMGCFFOAVCBQ UIV0?grid=F18&petition=europe&view=PETITION&xml=/news/2007/06/25/view25a.xml

Stop moaning or leave the EU, Britain is told
By Martin Banks in Brussels
Last Updated: 4:02am BST 20/08/2007

An influential German politician has fired a warning shot at British moves to hold a referendum on the European constitution.

Sign the Telegraph EU referendum petition
Elmar Brok, a centre-Right MEP and close ally of German chancellor Angela Merkel, effectively told Britain to sign up to the so-called reforming treaty or consider pulling out of the EU.

He insisted that the new draft was substantially different from the "old" constitution and that Britain had "got what it wanted" with a series of opt-outs and "red lines".

"Gordon Brown's government has said there is no justification for a referendum and the UK should stick to this commitment," said Brok, the European parliament's representative on inter-governmental negotiations on the treaty.

"It would be very unfair of the UK if, having more or less got what it wanted in the new treaty, it would then turn round and put this to a popular vote."

Brok, a member of the European convention that drafted the old constitution, asked: "The UK got its various opt-outs so what's the problem? How would it seem to other EU member states if Britain were now to hold a referendum? For me, that would undermine the negotiations on the treaty and even go as far as to question Britain's credibility as an EU member.

"Britain is a valued member of the EU but we should perhaps remember that the treaty contains an article which gives any member state the right to leave the EU if it so wishes."

Those campaigning for a British referendum were motivated "solely" by their opposition to the EU, he claimed. Brok, who was chairman of parliament's foreign affairs committee, said there was "no reason to renegotiate something you agreed on".

He added: "The chapter is closed. "We should be able to have a new treaty as soon as possible. We have a commitment from all to meet these requirements."

The political veteran said MEPs will resist any attempt to "water down" the treaty, which aims to revive the constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005.

He believes opposition to the treaty, particularly its proposals on votes in the EU and the Charter of Fundamental Rights, could still hold up any agreement.

"The European Parliament will be watchful that the treaty mandate received from the European council will not be watered down and will remain in place. It is important that the rights guaranteed in the mandate are preserved. This is our challenge for the new few weeks."

Brok, who has held leadership posts in German and European politics, belongs to the same European People's Party and European Democrats political grouping as the Conservatives.

David Cameron has pledged to pull the Tories out of the group after the European elections in 2009.

Martin Callanan, a senior Conservative MEP, said Mr Brok should "mind his own business" and allow Britain to decide how it wishes to determine the treaty's ratification.

"If Britain wants to hold a referendum on the treaty - which I and many others believe it should - that is a matter for the UK and not fanatical German federalists like Brok," he said.

Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, criticised Brok's intervention, saying: "For an arrogant, bullying German politician to be telling the British what they should or should not do is, I would have thought, likely to help the pro-referendum case.

"I would be delighted if he agreed to visit every major British city and repeat his comments."

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worldnetdaily.com reported a story today titled:

"Bush doesn't deny plans for N. American Union" at http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57263

In the article they said "The three national leaders simply affirmed that drug trade is a continental problem and would demand a continental solution."

Are we not all missing the big picture here? I think most people do not realize that there are more "union's" that just the European Union. In fact, did you know that there are 10 "Continental Unions" world wide? (I first discovered the term CU in Wikipedia.)

7 Existing and 3 to come.

There is the African Union, the Union of South American Nations, Pacific Union, Caribbean Community Union, Central Asian Union and Asian Union. That's 6 unions. The European Union makes 7 and would you believe (i did not know this) that in 2008 the Mediterranean Union comes together and in 2010, the South Asian Union AND the North American Union come into being and that will make 10!! (according to Wikipedia and an 11th is not coming together, the East Asian Union)
(see www.signsinthesun.com/continentalunions.htm for list and more info on each.)

I know we've all heard about the end time kingdom to be a revived Roman Empire to prepare for (and give their power to) the Anti-Christ. But this is eerily very tell-tell is it not? Bush meeting with Canada and Mexico (very secretly too) and all the while there are these 7-10 other 'Unions" that already exist or are about to. And you know all the double-speak is just that, we will probably see the 'Amero' too, just like the 'Euro'. Looks to me like the North American Union is part of a much bigger plan that pulls all the world together, a little tighter, to 10 economic regions. Looks like the last step to a World Government, doesn't it? If somebody else know's what this is all about, I would like to hear your point of view.

Revelation 17:12,13,14 says:
"And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour,
together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast. They will make war on the Lamb,
and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful."