what is the daughter of frya ?

[converger]

what is the daughter of frya ?

[wazaaap]

what is the daughter of frya ?

i loked at this the other day - some woman on this forum is a member.

[charles d ward]

Another name for Freyja. A godess. Her daughter perhaps?

[codie]

I think part of it it a life of celebacy.

[jojo]

where is swethirt? she says she is a member.

[converger]

Another name for Freyja. A godess. Her daughter perhaps?
is it greek

[hunter77]

what is the daughter of frya ?

a frigid, knee bending nutter in a net ball skirt:eek:

[hunter77]

or more likely a bloke pretending to be the above, who aslo hates muslims

[Ian2day]

CoInTelPro...

[converger]

or more likely a bloke pretending to be the above, who aslo hates muslims
i dont need your opinion here keep silent or say well ...

[choice]

Frya isn't Freyja! On the contrary, Freyja was a Goddess of sexuality (and warfare) from the norse pantheon, Frya is related with celibacy, but not at all from any known pantheon.

[clozaril]

a daughter of frya

http://www.lutherzevenbergen.nl/foto/image005.jpg

[bluegrazz]

a daughter of frya

http://www.lutherzevenbergen.nl/foto/image005.jpg

Well, she sure doesn't invoke thoughts of celibacy in me- Damn what a waste =P

[not amused]

a frigid, knee bending nutter in a net ball skirt:eek:
:D

[uloodara]

How can anybody do so many knee bends?

If anyone here is a member please could they answer my question? And what made them devote themselves as a Daughter of Frya?

PS Why is sexual activity not allowed?

Thank You

[jojo]

a daughter of frya

http://www.lutherzevenbergen.nl/foto/image005.jpg

and how can they do so many knee bends in those shoes!!! :eek:

[converger]

what are thier activities and goals..

[converger]

Frya isn't Freyja! On the contrary, Freyja was a Goddess of sexuality (and warfare) from the norse pantheon, Frya is related with celibacy, but not at all from any known pantheon.
thanks choice...

[charles d ward]

Frya isn't Freyja! On the contrary, Freyja was a Goddess of sexuality (and warfare) from the norse pantheon, Frya is related with celibacy, but not at all from any known pantheon.

I still believe they are the same deity no matter what you say. :D

Frya Art - YouTube

[eternal_spirit]

How can anybody do so many knee bends?

If anyone here is a member please could they answer my question? And what made them devote themselves as a Daughter of Frya?

PS Why is sexual activity not allowed?

Thank You
They channel their sexual energy into good deeds to mankind and woman kind and to heal the earth (ley lines etc)

PS I am not a member because I have a member.

[size_of_light]

what is the daughter of frya ?

Why didn't you Google it instead of asking on this forum, swethirte...err....converger?

[size_of_light]

i dont need your opinion here keep silent or say well ...

Why didn't you need his opinion?

You asked the question and he gave his answer. :confused:

If you don't know what a 'daughter of frya' is, you wouldn't have taken offense and reacted that way.

P.S. He nailed it.

[hunter77]

i dont need your opinion here keep silent or say well ...

well:p

[flickflack]

is it greek

I don't think so...

[converger]

Why didn't you need his opinion?

You asked the question and he gave his answer. :confused:

If you don't know what a 'daughter of frya' is, you wouldn't have taken offense and reacted that way.

P.S. He nailed it.
this is up to me firstly
secondly i am just interested i seached on google but i thought some member would add new something

[vetis]

http://frya.angelfire.com/

1. Abstain from meat, intoxicants, sexual activity and orgasm
2. At all times wear only the tohnekka, the short white tunic
3. Perform 1,200 deep knee-bends every day in devotion

sound like hippies, they substitute orgasm with competition and sports - which gives kind of the same rush sometimes to be honest.

Spending 6 hours a day bending your knees sounds like an awesome way to spend your life...

----------

Bend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘Wr-alda’, until we are on our haunches.

Remain in this posture for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Anfang’.

Unbend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Bijin’, until we are standing again.

We repeat these actions immediately, and continue doing so for the full three hours (i.e. 600 times). The second daily session is exactly the same, making a total of 1,200 deep knee-bends each day. The chanted words mean ‘Wr-alda, the Origin, the Beginning’ and constitute our most sacred formula. The purpose of this ritual is to channel the Spirit of Wr-alda through our bodies, focusing and directing the energy back outwards, thus bringing health and fertility to the earth.

[vetis]

this is up to me firstly
secondly i am just interested i seached on google but i thought some member would add new something

its a public forum so you post..people comment. thats how it works.

[size_of_light]

this is up to me firstly
secondly i am just interested i seached on google but i thought some member would add new something

Whatever...we're all just setting the scene for the glorious moment when swethirte can arrive and bat her eyelids innocently and clear up all of our delusions that Palestinians don't deserve to be wiped off the face of the planet.

All hail Freya!

[coco]

I would think they would have knee problems when they become older. I used to walk daily after work for years, climbed the stairs at lunch time in the three-story building I used to work in and use the stair stepper a few times a week and I have to admit my knees bother me sometimes now that I'm a little older.

[converger]

Whatever...we're all just setting the scene for the glorious moment when swethirte can arrive and bat her eyelids innocently and clear up all of our delusions that Palestinians don't deserve to be wiped off the face of the planet.

All hail Freya!
what the hell you're talking about
you are dangerous man wanna discusse the genocides.
smell you later

[converger]

http://frya.angelfire.com/

1. Abstain from meat, intoxicants, sexual activity and orgasm
2. At all times wear only the tohnekka, the short white tunic
3. Perform 1,200 deep knee-bends every day in devotion

sound like hippies, they substitute orgasm with competition and sports - which gives kind of the same rush sometimes to be honest.

Spending 6 hours a day bending your knees sounds like an awesome way to spend your life...

----------

Bend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘Wr-alda’, until we are on our haunches.

Remain in this posture for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Anfang’.

Unbend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Bijin’, until we are standing again.

We repeat these actions immediately, and continue doing so for the full three hours (i.e. 600 times). The second daily session is exactly the same, making a total of 1,200 deep knee-bends each day. The chanted words mean ‘Wr-alda, the Origin, the Beginning’ and constitute our most sacred formula. The purpose of this ritual is to channel the Spirit of Wr-alda through our bodies, focusing and directing the energy back outwards, thus bringing health and fertility to the earth.
thank for the INFO

[zero1]

Swethirte is a devotee, I'm surprised she hasn't replied (noting SOL who insinuated the OP was her). Anyway, swethirte has a linky in her sigline which has details, go click on that.

[size_of_light]

what the hell you're talking about
you are dangerous man wanna discusse the genocides.
smell you later

Am bad, bad man.

Specialise me in scaring ones new.

Booo!!!!!!

[jojo]

this is up to me firstly
secondly i am just interested i seached on google but i thought some member would add new something

send her a message then, ask her to come partake in the thread.

[jojo]

Am bad, bad man.

Specialise me in scaring ones new.

Booo!!!!!!

man, thats well funny! :D

[not amused]

what the hell you're talking about
you are dangerous man wanna discusse the genocides.
smell you later might have this as my new sig... quality :)

[hunter77]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64584

this is the compassionate , enlightend belief of a daughter ( or son) of the frya

[converger]

am bad, bad man.

Specialise me in scaring ones new.

booo!!!!!!
please dont take it seriously and dont hold grudge against .
I still that swethirte didnt reply so far although this thread concerns her.
You conception is essential.
Keep your chin up .

[size_of_light]

please dont take it seriously and dont hold grudge against .
I still that swethirte didnt reply so far although this thread concerns her.
You conception is essential.
Keep your chin up .

OK. :)

But I can only stay chipper for so long.

Let's hope swethirte does show up soon...her conception is essential.

[converger]

ok. :)

but i can only stay chipper for so long.

Let's hope swethirte does show up soon...her conception is essential.
i meant about your conceptions are essential
unfortunatly we disagree eachother

[coco]

and how can they do so many knee bends in those shoes!!! :eek:

Actually the higher the heel the easier it is. You're essentially using the heel to rest on in the down position and you can easily push yourself up using the high heel because you're easily pushing up by using your heels................so I read somewhere.

[jojo]

Actually the higher the heel the easier it is. You're essentially using the heel to rest on in the down position and you can easily push yourself up using the high heel because you're easily pushing up by using your heels................so I read somewhere.

i bet it gives you sore balls though :eek:;):):D

[coco]

i bet it gives you sore balls though :eek:;):):D

Ya, but the shoes never stay on that long. ;)


So I read somewhere. :p

[i_am]

I suggest you do a little more research folks :)

[coco]

I suggest you do a little more research folks :)

;)

I had a friend who had said she found the higher the heel the easier the deep knee bends. Personally, I can't imagine what the dickens she was on about!

[themime]

This thread is like watching Waiting for Godot...

[zenith82]

OK. :)

But I can only stay chipper for so long.

Let's hope swethirte does show up soon...her conception is essential.

Fuck that made me laugh. cheers i was needin a giggle.

[song_of_susannah]

Well there are rumors that it's a hoax.
I dunno, it's a bit odd.

[i_am]

Google is your friend :)

[song_of_susannah]

:D

[batou]

http://squirrelboiler.livejournal.com/

[converger]

http://squirrelboiler.livejournal.com/
thanks alot..

[yozhik]

A short white tennis skirt and 1200 knee bends?
Hmmmm ... can you say; "1200 potential upskirt moments ..."?

[coco]

A short white tennis skirt and 1200 knee bends?
Hmmmm ... can you say; "1200 potential upskirt moments ..."?

Looking at the photo in Batou's post it looks like they are wearing shorts beneath the skirts. Still..........

[swethirte]

Okay, I'm here. I had a shift this evening. Any constructive questions?

[cheeb]

Are You Gonna Be At Avebury For The Equinox...???

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2895/aveburyequinoxcelebrati.jpg

Because It Should Be Good...!!!

;)

[swethirte]

Are You Gonna Be At Avebury For The Equinox...???

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2895/aveburyequinoxcelebrati.jpg

Because It Should Be Good...!!!

;)

No, we'll be at Avebury at Yule. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633

[zero1]

Okay, I'm here. I had a shift this evening. Any constructive questions?

The girl in your avatar is quite attractive; assuming that's you, do you have trouble maintaining the celibacy vow when surely there must be many men eager to, um, hit on you. (!). Forgive me and ignore the question if you deem it irrelevant or personal.

[swethirte]

The girl in your avatar is quite attractive; assuming that's you, do you have trouble maintaining the celibacy vow when surely there must be many men eager to, um, hit on you. (!). Forgive me and ignore the question if you deem it irrelevant or personal.

Yes it's me, and no I don't have any trouble. it's a question of willpower.

[zero1]

Okay, I'm here. I had a shift this evening. Any constructive questions?

Do you know this Tony Steele fellow who is supposed, according to the link below posted originally by Batou, to have started (?) the order Famna? Which is this Daughters of Frya thing, apparently...

Famna (http://squirrelboiler.livejournal.com/)

[zero1]

Yes it's me, and no I don't have any trouble. it's a question of willpower.

Well, indeed; as one who abstains myself (though for different reasons), I understand and appreciate that. :)

[swethirte]

Do you know this Tony Steele fellow who is supposed, according to the link below posted originally by Batou, to have started (?) the order Famna? Which is this Daughters of Frya thing, apparently...

Famna (http://squirrelboiler.livejournal.com/)

As I understand it, he resigned from the leadership of the OAM in 2002. I've seen him talk at conferences, at Leeds in 1999 for example.

[lewi]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/index.htm (http://frya.angelfire.com/)

[zero1]

As I understand it, he resigned from the leadership of the OAM in 2002. I've seen him talk at conferences, at Leeds in 1999 for example.

Oh, OK.

Is a Daughter of Frya ever released from her vows to marry, have a child and/or otherwise become sexually active?

[swethirte]

Oh, OK.

Is a Daughter of Frya ever released from her vows to marry, have a child and/or otherwise become sexually active?

No, the vows are for life.

[zero1]

No, the vows are for life.

I see. Well, so long as you're happy, I suppose. Thank you for answering my questions, Swethirte. Love & Light to you, sister. :)

[swethirte]

I see. Well, so long as you're happy, I suppose. Thank you for answering my questions, Swethirte. Love & Light to you, sister. :)

And to you.

[uloodara]

I totally respect your judgement..

But do your knees hurt? Because I've got this aching knee and I was wondering if you can relate the same, how you deal with the problem?

Thanks.

[hadabusa]

or more likely a bloke pretending to be the above, who aslo hates muslims

very well said.

its a sect, if it even exists.

[swethirte]

I totally respect your judgement..

But do your knees hurt? Because I've got this aching knee and I was wondering if you can relate the same, how you deal with the problem?

Thanks.

As with everything, if you exercise it constantly then you can do it.

[bendoon]

How will celibacy maintain our people in future generations in particular with the many threats we are facing at the current time ? ;)

[swethirte]

How will celibacy maintain our people in future generations in particular with the many threats we are facing at the current time ? ;)

We do not advocate celibacy for eveyone. We are an order of priestesses.

[bendoon]

We do not advocate celibacy for eveyone. We are an order of priestesses.

But you could do your bit to help out. :D

[swethirte]

But you could do your bit to help out. :D

We are. The purpose of our rituals is to heal the land and increase fertility among its people.

[bluegrazz]

Is this real? This is the first I have heard of this and I went to the website and looked around a bit but , I mean, this isnt a joke is it?

I'm not knocking you if it is true (To each their own) and if this a hoax I bow to you for creating a very good one- I'm just a bit astonished. Especially (having read alot of your posts and finding myself in agreement with much of what you write) I would never in a million years have figured you would be into something like this.

[bendoon]

We are. The purpose of our rituals is to heal the land and increase fertility among its people.

Right, gotcha.

So by you not having children, others will have more. Hope you are right.

[swethirte]

Is this real? This is the first I have heard of this and I went to the website and looked around a bit but , I mean, this isnt a joke is it?

I'm not knocking you if it is true (To each their own) and if this a hoax I bow to you for creating a very good one- I'm just a bit astonished. Especially (having read alot of your posts and finding myself in agreement with much of what you write) I would never in a million years have figured you would be into something like this.

It's not a joke, come and see us at Avebury at Yule, and we'll show you what we can do.

[cheeb]

The Aboriginies Have Made An Agreement With "The Universe"

That They No Longer Wish To Re-Incarnate With This Planet/Plane Of Existance...

So They Are Not Reproducing No More...

And Their Birthrate Has Gone Right Down...!!!

:eek:

[swethirte]

Right, gotcha.

So by you not having children, other will have more. Hope you are right.

Yes, we are fertilising the land.

[bendoon]

The Aboriginies Have Made An Agreement With "The Universe"

That They No Longer Wish To Re-Incarnate With This Planet/Plane Of Existance...

So They Are Not Reproducing No More...

And Their Birthrate Has Gone Right Down...!!!

:eek:

There might be more truth in that statement than you could ever imagine Cheeb.

[hadabusa]

Right, gotcha.

So by you not having children, others will have more. Hope you are right.

i concur:)

[cheeb]

There might be more truth in that statement than you could ever imagine Cheeb.

You Know It...!!!

The Native Peoples Know It...!!!

And Bill Hicks Knew It...!!!


http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4259/billitsjustaride.jpg

Bill Hicks - It's Just A Ride - YouTube

:)

[jojo]

No, the vows are for life.

has anyone ever left the order to have a partner/children etc? and if they have, does their soul become " condemed" in the same way that maybe a christian would be condemed to hell if they turned their back on the church? (not my opinon btw)

in other words, is their an element of fear in your order if you choose to leave the lifestyle.

[phildee3]

does their soul become " condemed" in the same way that maybe a christian would be condemed to hell if they turned their back on the church? (not my opinon btw)



:eek: Whose opinion is this?
Which denomination says this?

[phildee3]

It's not a joke, come and see us at Avebury at Yule, and we'll show you what we can do.



What time?
Which day?
Where abouts?

[swethirte]

has anyone ever left the order to have a partner/children etc? and if they have have, does their soul's become " condemed" in the same way that maybe a christian would be condemed to hell if they turned their back on the church? (not my opinon btw)

in other words, is their an element of fear in your order if you choose to leave the lifestyle.

Members have left, yes. But to leave one would be turning one's back on Frya, and breaking one's vows. That's entirely up to them, of course.

We condemn no one to hell, by the way. Those who are called to the service of Frya will be accorded the privilege of serving her, as we serve her now, in the hereafter.

[jojo]

:eek: Whose opinion is this?
Which denomination says this?

phil, with respect im not going to engage with you on this. all i will say is that i was brought up in the mehodist faith and this is what i was taught as a child, and it had a profound effect of fear in my mind when i was young and vunrable.

the question still remains for swethirt.

[swethirte]

What time?
Which day?
Where abouts?

Midnight.
21st December.
Longstones Adam and Eve.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633

[jojo]

Members have left, yes. But to leave one would be turning one's back on Frya, and breaking one's vows. That's entirely up to them, of course.

We condemn no one to hell, by the way. Those who are called to the service of Frya will be accorded the privilege of serving her, as we serve her now, in the hereafter.

thank you.

how many members do you have world wide? do you perform daily knee bends in sacred sites like stone circles/lay lines etc or can you do it any where?

[bluegrazz]

Swethirte, where does your doctrine come from? I saw some writings on the website- Are these from an ancient text you follow?

BTW:I Totally am not attempting to belittle your faith in any way- I am just curious where these beliefs come from. I seriously have never heard of this.

[swethirte]

Swethirte, where does your doctrine come from? I saw some writings on the website- Are these from an ancient text you follow?

BTW:I Totally am not attempting to belittle your faith in any way- I am just curious where these beliefs come from. I seriously have never heard of this.

It comes from the Oera Linda Book, an ancient Frisian work.

[jojo]

thank you.

how many members do you have world wide? do you perform daily knee bends in sacred sites like stone circles/lay lines etc or can you do it any where?

oh and why is it only women who can do this work? is it something to do with having a womb and being able to chanel creative energy within it?

[phildee3]

all i will say is that i was brought up in the mehodist faith



So was I.



...and this is what i was taught as a child,



Sad.
It's not Methodist teaching per se.

[eternal_spirit]

If you haven't read heal the world by Icke, which is about healing the earth by channeling positive energies into it, I'd say it's very similar if not the same as what the Daughters are doing.
Basically to keep it short
Ley lines sacred sites our chakras interacting with the earths. Some here will understand what I'm saying, sure Jojo does.

[jojo]

So was I.



Sad.
It's not Methodist teaching per se.

yes it was sad. we were members of small village chapel with an angry elderly preacher who was all fire and brimstone. It scared me so much so that it gave me nightmares and left a deep and lasting impression . :(

[eternal_spirit]

See Icke and others have wrote that negative rituals including satanic ones take place at or near sacred sites and their intent is to infuse the earth's energy grid network (leylines) with negative energys which interact with our own consciousness, and effect our feelings and even at times our thoughts - leads to control of our emotions and even actions.

Positive rituals infuse the earth with the opposite, good energys to heal and lift our consciousness and spirit and fill our hearts with love.
This is one reason I don't create negative music. because I know which notes intuitively feel and sound right by how it makes me feel.

[jojo]

If you haven't read heal the world by Icke, which is about healing the earth by channeling positive energies into it, I'd say it's very similar if not the same as what the Daughters are doing.
Basically to keep it short
Ley lines sacred sites our chakras interacting with the earths. Some here will understand what I'm saying, sure Jojo does.

sure do :)

[swethirte]

oh and why is it only women who can do this work? is it something to do with having a womb and being able to chanel creative energy within it?

Yes, basically. Only women have the physical capability to channel the energies in this way.

[swethirte]

thank you.

how many members do you have world wide? do you perform daily knee bends in sacred sites like stone circles/lay lines etc or can you do it any where?

About 400. We can do our rituals anywhere, as long as it's outdoors, but we often do them at sacred sites.

[nicolaj]

have you been involved long, and how did you come across it..id never heard of it before..like a good many on here.

[swethirte]

have you been involved long, and how did you come across it..id never heard of it before..like a good many on here.

I was dedicated by my family at the age of 12.

[woodelf]

may the blessings be
i remember lynn andrews included the daughters of freya in one of her writings about her spiritual path experiences in her book 'medicine woman' covering the subject of the many sisterhoods from every continent on earth. of the community, care, protection and love, all in sync, when tending to the pathwalk of the nurturing of mother earth. wonderful stories in a series of books.

love and respect

[converger]

are you priestess
are you abstimous
do you spend rest of you life withthis group
and why you'd been dedicated

[jojo]

About 400. We can do our rituals anywhere, as long as it's outdoors, but we often do them at sacred sites.

thanks. i take it you are in holland? are there many stone circles near you then? I must say, i do "get" what you are saying regarding chaneling energy back into the earth and using sexual female energy to do so. I also admire the sentiments of such work. And i also understand why the "knee ends" happen, as i have found myself automatically doing this movement when chaneling healing energy into the earth .... although, i had no idea why. with me its more like moving on the breath rather than chanting. down on the in breath, up on the outbreath, an when im on my haunches my arms extend along the ground and the energy shoots through my hands into the earth (also at the same time.. without sounding vulgar, the energy goes out through my pelvic floor muscles into the earth) and as i breath in and rise up the energy comes from the universe into my mouth, head and pelvic floor muscles ready for the next downward motion when you can focus it back into the earth..

[swethirte]

are you priestess
are you abstimous
do you spend rest of you life withthis group
and why you'd been dedicated

Yes I'm a priestess. We all are.
Yes I'm abstemious.
And yes I'll spend the rest of my life as a member.
I was chosen because I showed aptitude in the right areas.

[converger]

do you intend to spread this into world

[swethirte]

thanks. i take it you are in holland? are there many stone circles near you then? I must say, i do "get" what you are saying regarding chaneling energy back into the earth and using sexual female energy to do so. I also admire the sentiments of such work. And i also understand why the "knee ends" happen, as i have found myself automatically doing this movement when chaneling healing energy into the earth .... although, i had no idea why. with me its more like moving on the breath rather than chanting. down on the out breath, up on the inbreath, an when im on my haunches my arms extend along the ground and the energy shoots through my hands into the earth (also at the same time.. without sounding vulgar, the energy goes out through my pelvic floor muscles into the earth) and as i breath in and rise up the energy comes from the universe into my mouth, head and pelvic floor muscles.

I'm in the UK, we have more members here than in the Netherlands, though Friesland is our spiritual home, as it were, where the Oera linda Book was written.

You're right to say these movements are natural, and what you describe is very similar to what we do, including how it feels. It's very interesting to hear.

[swethirte]

do you intend to spread this into world

We don't proselytise. If any one feels drawn to us, they will come of their own accord.

[jojo]

I'm in the UK, we have more members here than in the Netherlands, though Friesland is our spiritual home, as it were, where the Oera linda Book was written.

You're right to say these movements are natural, and what you describe is very similar to what we do, including how it feels. It's very interesting to hear.

yes they are natural. they just happen when you get into the "zone" of earth healing. ive been doing this for a number of years by myself without hearing of your group. however, i do not abstaine from sex, as i have a partner and we have a child.

where abouts in the uk are you? i do most of my healing in the stone circles of derbyshire.

[lase]

The Aboriginies Have Made An Agreement With "The Universe"

That They No Longer Wish To Re-Incarnate With This Planet/Plane Of Existance...

So They Are Not Reproducing No More...

And Their Birthrate Has Gone Right Down...!!!

:eek:

Holy shit. Really? Source?

Fascinating thread. This is similar to what Tsarion says about Dragon Dancing that was lost. We've lost alot of what we used to do centuries ago, which were done for this kind of reason. I wouldn't dare to write it off.

Native Americans did this before British settlers arrived and exterminated 12 million of them.

[swethirte]

yes they are natural. they just happen when you get into the "zone" of earth healing. ive been doing this for a number of years by myself without hearing of your group. however, i do not abstaine from sex, as i have a partner and we have a child.

where abouts in the uk are you? i do most of my healing in the stone circles of derbyshire.

Our community is in Worcestershire, though we have members scattered all over.

[jojo]

as a woman who finds herself doing the same kind of things your group does. I ask this question honestly.

Are you opinions about isreal and muslims the opinions of the daughers of the frya? or are they just your opinions as an individual?

[swethirte]

as a woman who finds herself doing the same kind of things your group does. I ask this question honestly.

Are you opinions about isreal and muslims the opinions of the daughers of the frya? or are they just your opinions as an individual?

They're just mine. When I see the opression of women, as in Islam, I feel morally obliged to speak out.

[jojo]

They're just mine. When I see the opression of women, as in Islam, I feel morally obliged to speak out.

ok.

[eternal_spirit]

They're just mine. When I see the opression of women, as in Islam, I feel morally obliged to speak out.
Me too. And I commend you for doing so and taking a lot of flack and abuse including from women.

Weird that more women don't understand. Genital mutilation condoned by Muhammad and millions of Muslims (just to name one evil against women)

Ban Sharia I say!
Sorry for going off topic. But because you have the word Aryan amongst your literature Aryan (being your race and countries) the usual dumbasses will see that word Aryan and rub their two braincells together and come up with Nasty Nazi wacist. :rolleyes: especially after looking at a link to a forum posted earlier people where labelling Frya as Nazis (that's what I am referring to) no one on this thread that I've seen has called you a nasty wacist.

Don't get me started on the real racists the Jewish supremacist who have been inbreeding for thousands of years to maintain their own master race and keep it pure:( yet so few make a fuss of this (oh because the Jews are the chosen ones nonsense)
if you wanna know more about Germans and jews here.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1287815&postcount=6

[converger]

Me too. And I commend you for doing so and taking a lot of flack and abuse including from women.

Weird that more women don't understand. Genital mutilation condoned by Muhammad and millions of Muslims (just to name one evil against women)

Ban Sharia I say!
Sorry for going off topic. But because you have the word Aryan amongst your literature Aryan (being your race and countries) the usual dumbasses will see that word Aryan and rub their two braincells together and come up with Nasty Nazi wacist. :rolleyes: especially after looking at a link to a forum posted earlier people where labelling Frya as Nazis (that's what I am referring to) no one on this thread that I've seen has called you a nasty wacist.

Don't get me started on the real racists the Jewish supremacist who have been inbreeding for thousands of years to maintain their own master race and keep it pure:( yet so few make a fuss of this (oh because the Jews are the chosen ones nonsense)
if you wanna know more about Germans and jews here.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1287815&postcount=6
pull over
ephemeral spirit

[phildee3]

yes it was sad. we were members of small village chapel with an angry elderly preacher who was all fire and brimstone. It scared me so much so that it gave me nightmares and left a deep and lasting impression . :(



So I hope that you will see it was one, misguided person's view
and not blame "Christians."

[jojo]

So I hope that you will see it was one, misguided person's view
and not blame "Christians."

no i dont blame anyone. those who taught it were only thinking they were doing the right thing by saving my (and everyone elses) soul. he was only preching what he thought was salvation.

[batou]

Tony..
Why you troll here? Because people might not know about you?
A fresh start with old ways.
There's always something left behind that someone might pick up on and follow.
Lucky for me, I happened to be that person.

I'd like to know, since the whole frya thing supposedly happened again in 2001.
You are 28.
Yet you've been one since you were 12.
1992... 2001.. Urm..

How does that work now?

Is it true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

Not that it matters much to me who you are or what you do. I think it's wrong though to pretend you are a virtuous female and part of a priestess order when you are clearly not.

How do I know this?
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/jedidude_2007/AdmiralAckbar.jpg

[swethirte]

Tony..
Why you troll here? Because people might not know about you?
A fresh start with old ways.
There's always something left behind that someone might pick up on and follow.
Lucky for me, I happened to be that person.

I'd like to know, since the whole frya thing supposedly happened again in 2001.
You are 28.
Yet you've been one since you were 12.
1992... 2001.. Urm..

How does that work now?

Is it true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

Not that it matters much to me who you are or what you do. I think it's wrong though to pretend you are a virtuous female and part of a priestess order when you are clearly not.

How do I know this?
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/jedidude_2007/AdmiralAckbar.jpg

Sigh. Why don't you just come and see us at Avebury? The current order was founded in 1985 by the way, and I've been a member since December 1992.

[phildee3]

no i dont blame anyone. those who taught it were only thinking they were doing the right thing by saving my (and everyone elses) soul. he was only preching what he thought was salvation.



And that is an excuse? :eek:

I think it's time we all took responsiblility for our actions,
and held others responsible for theirs.

How else can we heal from the abuse that they have subjected us to?

[phildee3]

Midnight.
21st December.
Longstones Adam and Eve.



That's not Yule (the Nordic/Germanic festival).
That's the darkest moment of the winter solstice. A neo-pagan/Wiccan sabbat.

[batou]

Oh my apologies I was getting my dates from the Famna thing.

Well you post pictures of you and all your friends at Avebury whenever that happens since I am not going to go all that way to settle an internet discussion.

[jojo]

Oh my apologies I was getting my dates from the Famna thing.

Well you post pictures of you and all your friends at Avebury whenever that happens since I am not going to go all that way to settle an internet discussion.

there is an open invite thread on here somewhere to their mid winter ceremony at the adam and eve stones on the beckhampton avenue just outside of avebury village.

its a bit too far for me at that time of year, but who knows what the universe has planned, if im in the area i will go along.

[swethirte]

That's not Yule (the Nordic/Germanic festival).
That's the darkest moment of the winter solstice. A neo-pagan/Wiccan sabbat.

The neo-pagans and Wiccans have appropriated it to be sure. Marking the turn of the year goes back very much further than that, however.

[swethirte]

there is an open invite thread on here somewhere to their mid winter ceremony at the adam and eve stones on the beckhampton avenue just outside of avebury village.

its a bit too far for me at that time of year, but who knows what the universe has planned, if im in the area i will go along.

Here's the thread, which I originally posted three months ago (on the summer solstice). All are welcome. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633

[phildee3]

The neo-pagans and Wiccans have appropriated it to be sure. Marking the turn of the year goes back very much further than that, however.



Of course, but not at such a dark moment.
That is the time to be still.

Ceremony, celebration and ritual would always happen when the celestial movement began again, with the recognition that we are interconnected with cosmos.

That's why the ancient Norse Yule festivities occur on the next full moon.

[swethirte]

Of course, but not at such a dark moment.
That is the time to be still.

Ceremony, celebration and ritual would always happen when the celestial movement began again.

That's why the ancient Norse Yule festivities occur on the next full moon.

Practices differed. The Frisians used a solar calendar rather than a lunar one, and for them the rebirth of the year occured on the shortest day itself. Or rather, to be more precise, on the sunrise following the longest night (which may be the shortest day, or the day after it).

[remium]

Of course, but not at such a dark moment.
That is the time to be still.

Ceremony, celebration and ritual would always happen when the celestial movement began again, with the recognition that we are interconnected with cosmos. When in your opinion does it all stop? ... and what sources do you base this belief that the ancients thought it all stopped?

That's why the ancient Norse yule festivities occur on the next full moon.
yule or yoole, the term may have originally meant something similar to "magic" or "feast of entreaty".
entreaty :- An earnest request or petition; a plea.
The festival was placed on December 25 when the Christian (Julian) calendar was adopted. Some historians claim that the celebration is connected to the Wild Hunt.
So connecting those dots it was a ceremonial feast in the midst of the coldest time of the year to plea for a fortuitus future bounty in the hunt.
(note :- The etymology of the name of the feast of Yule (Old Norse jól, Anglo-Saxon geohol and gehol) and the winter month (Anglo-Saxon giuli, geóla, Gothic fruma jiuleis, Old Norse ýlir) has not yet been completely explained.)

The celestial cosmos is eternally on the move ... dont be so naive as to think the ancients couldn't observe this.

[phildee3]

Practices differed.



Yes, over time.



The Frisians used a solar calendar rather than a lunar one,



No ancient culture had either/or.
These are modern Fresians.



and for them the rebirth of the year occured on the shortest day itself.



Yes, but if go back further you will find that there were no rituals or celebrations until the sun was actually moving back to the north.



Or rather, to be more precise, on the sunrise following the longest night



So why aren't you calebrating at sunrise on the 22nd.?

The neo-pagans and Wiccans have appropriated the Daughters of Frya, it seems!

[bluegrazz]

Oh my apologies I was getting my dates from the Famna thing.

Well you post pictures of you and all your friends at Avebury whenever that happens since I am not going to go all that way to settle an internet discussion.

Slacker.

[phildee3]

The celestial cosmos is eternally on the move ... dont be so naive as to think the ancients couldn't observe this.



I'm not.
Don't you be so naive to suggest that I'm talking about anything more than the sun!

Sol-stice.



yule or yoole, the term may have originally meant something similar to "magic" or "feast of entreaty".



And what better time to petition the sun god than when he's on the move at the beginning of a brand new cycle?

[swethirte]

When in your opinion does it all stop? ... and what sources do you base this belief that the ancients thought it all stopped?


yule or yoole, the term may have originally meant something similar to "magic" or "feast of entreaty".
entreaty :- An earnest request or petition; a plea.
The festival was placed on December 25 when the Christian (Julian) calendar was adopted. Some historians claim that the celebration is connected to the Wild Hunt.
So connecting those dots it was a ceremonial feast in the midst of the coldest time of the year to plea for a fortuitus future bounty in the hunt.
(note :- The etymology of the name of the feast of Yule (Old Norse jól, Anglo-Saxon geohol and gehol) and the winter month (Anglo-Saxon giuli, geóla, Gothic fruma jiuleis, Old Norse ýlir) has not yet been completely explained.)

The celestial cosmos is eternally on the move ... dont be so naive as to think the ancients couldn't observe this.

The Oera Linda Book tells us that "yule", or jol is derived from the word "wheel", as in the wheel of the year. It is symbolised by the Kroder, or six-spoked-wheel.

[swethirte]

Yes, over time.



No ancient culture had either/or.
These are modern Fresians.



Yes, but if go back further you will find that there were no rituals or celebrations until the sun was actually moving back to the north.



So why aren't you calebrating at sunrise on the 22nd.?

The neo-pagans and Wiccans have appropriated the Daughters of Frya, it seems!

On the calendar we use, yule usually falls on the 21st, but sometimes on the 22nd. http://frya.angelfire.com/#e

[remium]

I'm not.
Don't you be so naive to suggest that I'm talking about anything more than the sun!

Sol-stice.

well now... that wasnt mentioned in your previous post I was respnding to, was it now.
Celestial cosmos was what I read ... no solar movements mentioned.

I suggest you try and keep your posts clear to your debate :)


And what better time to petition the sun god than when he's on the move at the beginning of a brand new cycle?

I totally agree on this point...what better time to have a feast in honour of the entity worshipped when a cycle picks up a repitition. Notice thats cycle not a beginning or end...cycle. :)

[phildee3]

The Oera Linda Book tells us that "yule", or jol is derived from the word "wheel", as in the wheel of the year. It is symbolised by the Kroder, or six-spoked-wheel.



...and the wheel represents movement.

[swethirte]

...and the wheel represents movement.

Indeed, as in the turn of the year, the eternal cycle of birth, growth, decline, death and rebirth.

[phildee3]

well now... that wasnt mentioned in your previous post I was respnding to, was it now.
Celestial cosmos was what I read ... no solar movements mentioned.

I suggest you try and keep your posts clear to your debate :)



You picked up the "dabate" in the middle.
It was clear if you'd had been there when it started.

[phildee3]

Indeed, as in the turn of the year, the eternal cycle of birth, growth, decline, death and rebirth.



You are ignoring my point.
I'll say no more - you have been warned.

I've nothing against neo-paganism and Wicca per se, but your movement (for which I have respect) has been hijacked by their darker side.

[swethirte]

You are ignoring my point.
I'll say no more - you have been warned.

I've nothing against neo-paganism and Wicca per se, but your movement (for which I have respect) has been hijacked by their darker side.

In what way? Just because we happen to share the date of our yule festival with theirs (even though we observe it totally differently)? It's not our fault they nicked it from ancient practices.

[size_of_light]

In what way? Just because we happen to share the date of our yule festival with theirs (even though we observe it totally differently)? It's not our fault they nicked it from ancient practices.

I'm just pleased that converger innocently provided such a wonderful platform here for you to present your views. ;)

Have you addressed your group's attitude towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict yet?:)

[remium]

You picked up the "dabate" in the middle.
It was clear if you'd had been there when it started.

oh ive been here from the beginning but when you start stating the ancients thought the celestial cosmos stopped motion. Then I have to disagree, because the celestial cosmos is far far more than the suns extreme positions to and from the earths tilt at various times of the year. known as the sol-stices
Please try and be more precise, just so we're all on the right track. :)

[phildee3]

In what way? Just because we happen to share the date of our yule festival with theirs?



No.
You've not been hijacked because you share the same date.
You share the same date (and time!) because you've been hijacked!

[swethirte]

I'm just pleased that converger innocently provided such a wonderful platform here for you to present your views. ;)

Have you addressed your group's attitude towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict yet?:)

The Daughters of Frya have no attitude towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The views I expressed here on that are my own.

[swethirte]

No.
You've not been hijacked because you share the same date.
You share the same date (and time!) because you've been hijacked!

Or maybe because that happens to be the actual solstice.

[phildee3]

Or maybe because that happens to be the actual solstice.



You said you were celebrating Yule - the Nordic feastival.
Ancient Yule was celebrated after the sun starts moving again.
Yule (you say) is now celebrated at the first sunrise after the solstice.

You are celebrating neither!
You are celebrating the very middle of the longest, darkest night.

[swethirte]

You said you were celebrating Yule - the Nordic feastival.
Ancient Yule was celebrated after the sun starts moving again.
Yule (you say) is now celebrated at the first sunrise after the solstice.

You are celebrating neither!
You are celebrating the very middle of the longest, darkest night.

According the the Oera Linda Book, that's when yule was celebrated. The first day of the year is the one that follows the longest night, and our observance of that night begins at midnight.

[phildee3]

The first day of the year is the one that follows the longest night,



agreed.



our observance of that night begins at midnight.



You're not observing - you're celebrating a rite.
The ancients observed the occasion by being still.



According the the Oera Linda Book, that's when yule was celebrated.



Celebrated??
Quote please.

If it does, then it is not as ancient as it is claimed to be.

[swethirte]

agreed.



You're not observing - you're celebrating a rite.
The ancients observed the occasion by being still.



Celebrated??
Quote please.

If it does, then it is not as ancient as it is claimed to be.

By celebrate I mean observe with ritual. I don't know whether the ancients observed it by being still, some may have.

[phildee3]

By celebrate I mean observe with ritual.



So do I.
Can I have that quote please?

[swethirte]

So do I.
Can I have that quote please?

Yule is mentioned here:
http://frya.angelfire.com/2adela.htm#_Chapter_XX:_What

And the yule-feast is mentioned in passing here (verse 10):
http://frya.angelfire.com/2adela.htm#_Chapter_XXIII:_This

There are scattered references throughout.

[phildee3]

Yule is mentioned here:
http://frya.angelfire.com/2adela.htm#_Chapter_XX:_What

And the yule-feast is mentioned in passing here (verse 10):
http://frya.angelfire.com/2adela.htm#_Chapter_XXIII:_This

There are scattered references throughout.



Thank you.
Nothing there to suggest that Yule was celebrated during the solar standstill
(and therefore nothing here to indicate that it has modern authorship).

[flickflack]

Are the white garments sacred and protective of the body? I'm just curious, because I know the Mormons wear sacred under-garments covering most of their skin, and their garments are always white. The white garments reminds me of Mormonism, as their white garments are part of their religion or culture.

[swethirte]

Thank you.
Nothing there to suggest that it was celebrated during the standstill
(and therefore nothing here to indicate that it has modern authorship).

The sun never actually stands still. One moment it is waning, the next waxing again.

[swethirte]

Are the white garments sacred and protective of the body? I'm just curious, because I know the Mormons wear sacred under-garments covering most of their skin, and their garments are always white. The white garments reminds me of Mormonism, as their white garments are part of their religion or culture.

White symbolises purity.

[phildee3]

The sun never actually stands still. One moment it is waning, the next waxing again.



You are wrong.
It stands still (ie. rises and sets in exactly the same position, and follows exactly the same path through the sky) for three days.

With very accurate, modern measuring devices, you will be able to detect a slight change on the 23rd.
With a good primative device you can do so on the 24th.
On the 25th it is clearly confirmable to the naked eye.

[flickflack]

White symbolises purity.

Thanks for the answer. :)

I guess that explains it for the Mormon missionaries too, i.e. prohibition of sex before marriage.

[swethirte]

You are wrong.
It stands still (ie. rises and sets in exactly the same position) for three days.

At the solstices the sun moves very slowly, but it doesn't stand still. So while the position of rising and setting are very close, they are not identical.

[phildee3]

At the solstices the sun moves very slowly, but it doesn't stand still. So while the position of rising and setting are very close, they are not identical.



You are wrong.
If a physical body is travelling in one direction, then reverses to travel in the opposite direction, it must slow down, stop, then accelerate.

[swethirte]

You are wrong.
If a physical body is travelling in one direction, then reverses to travel in the opposite direction, it must slow down, stop, then accelerate.

The sun does actually do that though, it just appears to from the earth. Its setting and rising positions get gradually closer together the closer to the solstices it is, but any apparent standstill is just based on the limitations of the naked eye.

[phildee3]

The sun does actually do that though, it just appears to from the earth. Its setting and rising positions get gradually closer together the closer to the solstices it is, but any apparent standstill is just based on the limitations of the naked eye.



...and that what the ancients were dealing with.

[swethirte]

...and that what the ancients were dealing with.

And yet they were still able to determine the exact date of the soltice itself, rather than its approximate date, as all the alignments at stone circles prove.

[mcaj]

Cant get near them these days lol

[swethirte]

Cant get near them these days lol

Especially Stonehenge, it's truly awful what they've done to it.

[phildee3]

And yet they were still able to determine the exact date of the soltice itself, rather than its approximate date, as all the alignments at stone circles prove.




That's easy.
Just bisect the number of days between the equinoxes.

[batou]

http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/index.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.1


From: yewberry (javascript:void(0);) 5 Jul 2005 To: ALL 1 of 134 5986.1 (http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/index.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.1) I'm just curious. Does the Green Hope Women's Tennis Team (http://members.aol.com/duke9802/greenhopetennis2004.html) know you're using their photos on the Daughters of Frya (http://www.angelfire.com/folk/frya/) site? And should I, like, tell them and stuff?

Remember, Google is a source for all, not just thou. ;)

Brina

p.s. I think it's kinda crappy that you cropped out Coach Tuttle, dammit!


From: Syrhed (OERALINDA) (javascript:void(0);) 5 Jul 2005 To: Faerie (javascript:void(0);) 5 Jul 2005 51 of 134 5986.51 (http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/index.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.51) In reply to 5986.50 (http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/messages.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.41&38beab2d48ed2e082ed4ab824e9b8291=Keep+reading+%3E% 3E#a5986_50) Okay, I've now heard back from my "co-conspirators", and it's time to 'fess up. I've enjoyed myself immensely over all this, and I hope you all have too!

The website, of course, is a hoax. That much was obvious from the beginning. The Oera Linda Book is also a blatant hoax, and we thought it was highly amusing to base a hoax on a hoax. We even saw fit to re-write some bits of it...

The Daughters of Frya, in so far as it is a real organisation at all, consists of just seven people at present. Do we do the things we claim? Well, yes... but I'll leave it up to you lot to decide just how often.

I don't even know if I'm going to be booted off this site once someone in charge reads this thread, though I hope not. But in case I am, I shall say hail and farewell to you all. It was good fun!

Blessings, Syrhed Daughters of Frya (http://www.angelfire.com/folk/frya)



From: Syrhed (OERALINDA) (javascript:void(0);) 5 Jul 2005 To: Desree MacFeegle (DESREE42) (javascript:void(0);) 5 Jul 2005 56 of 134 5986.56 (http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/index.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.56) In reply to 5986.54 (http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/messages.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.41&38beab2d48ed2e082ed4ab824e9b8291=Keep+reading+%3E% 3E#a5986_54) There was NO paypal link! Please show me where that was! We have never asked for money!

I ain't a guy, but that hardly matters any more. If you really must know what all this has been about, I'm writing a book. A novel, in fact, i.e. a work of fiction, in which the Daughters of Frya play a leading role. Yes, we have experimented with the magical techniques I described, and I wanted it to seem as realistic as possible. We are not after anyone's money and nor are we paraphiliacs.

Blessings, Syrhed Daughters of Frya (http://www.angelfire.com/folk/frya)



...pretty much everywhere on the internet you have visited, your religion is shown to be a facade. Is everybody wrong?

[phildee3]

...pretty much everywhere on the internet you have visited, your religion is shown to be a facade. Is everybody wrong?



hey batman...
I don't like swetty. She's cocky, sexist and racist (imo), and that chick on the website is defo a fake - a model.
BUT
I've been looking at that "religion" for months, and tried really hard to find proof that it's fake.

Y'know what?

I'm still looking!


Show me, dude...
Put up or shut up!

lol

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.ecauldron.net/ab/index.php?webtag=CAULDRON&msg=5986.1






...pretty much everywhere on the internet you have visited, your religion is shown to be a facade. Is everybody wrong?I've seen this before.
None of those links work except the one that links to Daughters of Fryas site.

So there's no way to verify that the pic on Frya's site is fake or taken from Green Hope Women's Tennis Team because there's no such team or place.

I searched google image and done a scroogle scraper search and there's no pics (like the one of Frya's site and
No such thing as Green Hope Women's Tennis Team.

The closet is Green Hope College tennis but that's in AMERICA, and the picture off Frya's site is not on there, they even have different dresses/skirts and look more tanned (American looking lol)

The link to the forum does not work either so no way of verifying the person who claims it to be a hoax is telling the truth either. (they are lying by saying Frya is a hoax)


So if that's the only evidence you got??????? to prove Frya is a hoax with fake pics. Then you'll have to take what Swethirte says as the truth and the daughters of Frya is real and their site is genuine right?

[eternal_spirit]

hey batman...
I don't like swetty. She's cocky, sexist and racist (imo),
In your opinion but that's not nice,
and I disagree, I think she's one of the more polite posters on here, and very good with her words. Racist ffs Based on what evidence?

[phildee3]

So if that's the only evidence you got??????? to prove Frya is a hoax with fake pics. Then you'll have to take what Swethirte says as the truth and the daughters of Frya is real and their site is genuine right?



Why?
When we don't know one way or t'other, it makes no more sense to assume it's not fake as it does to assume it is.

You ignored the meat of my last post in order to focus on the dressing.
How much you, or I, like or dislike someone is irrelevent.
It's the "religion" that's under investigation here.
I said that I find no evidence for it being fake.
I'm looking - if any one can come up with anything besides hot air.
Thank you.

[amethyst]

Why is everyone picking on Swethirte? She's entitled to have her own practices....you may not like it but if it works for her, well hey....

[phildee3]

Why is everyone picking on Swethirte? She's entitled to have her own practices....you may not like it but if it works for her, well hey....



...and we're entitled to check out the "practice" that she's publicised and test it for it's authenticity.

[supertzar]

Didn't it used to be Freya?

[eternal_spirit]

Okay you two, I mean three see if swethirte has anything to add later.

[amethyst]

...and we're entitled to check out the "practice" that she's publicised and test it for it's authenticity.

Do you think it's a fake religion?

I personally wouldn't want to do all those deep knee bends, but whatever floats your boat...

[phildee3]

Didn't it used to be Freya?



That's Frya's male counterpart.

[phildee3]

Okay you two, see if swethirte has anything to add later.



Who made you the moderator? :eek:

[phildee3]

Do you think it's a fake religion?



What's a "fake religion"?

What's a "real" religion?

I don't "think" in the way you're asking.
I know some things. I don't know others.

[eternal_spirit]

Who made you the moderator? :eek:
Don't expect any more sense from me I've been on my PC since 9 am ish yesterday morning.:p How's your Dutch mines terrible. I need more tea vicar.

[amethyst]

What's a "fake religion"?

What's a "real" religion?

I don't "think" in the way you're asking.
I know some things. I don't know others.

I don't understand where you are coming from..do you not like her religion? Is that the beef?

[phildee3]

I don't understand where you are coming from..do you not like her religion?



I like all religions.

I don't like deception.

But I equally dislike people assuming there's deception (or assuming there isn't!).

[batou]

Alright.. well then lets see.
I think that the picture in swettys avatar is a girl from that team in 2004 and I believe I have found her.
Maybe she can post a picture to disprove this holding yesterdays newspaper.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061205012816/http://members.aol.com/duke9802/greenhopetennis2004.html

The green hope tennis team roster from 2004.
Green Hope High school is in Cary NC.
Looking through the members of the team I find Liz Killion who was in Grade 10.
There is another picture of that girl looking a lot like swethirte, from 2008, at college in Cary NC.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=25143&dateline=1253230222http://www.guilford.edu/assets/images/athletics/Killion-Liz_000.gif
Am I wrong? The picture comparison may be a little hard to swallow.
But then was everybody wrong too back then? Does all the evidence around us not point to this being a trick. When it happens everywhere else.. I just don't see why you would assume this time its something else than a man living a fantasy life on the internet.
Also, evidence points to their whole book being a fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda#Skepticism
Within the first few years after the appearance of the Oera Linda Book, there was great skepticism concerning its authenticity, not only for the exceptional claims being made, but also because of a number of anachronisms it contained. Research was performed on the quality of the paper, and it was claimed to have come from a papermill in Maastricht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia circa 1850. This skepticism has not prevented the book from being a source of inspiration for a number of occultists, speculative historians, and Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia during the century or more since its emergence.

I'm convinced, myself. I don't care if the rest of you guys are fooled or not. I really am not willing to put any more effort into exposing this weird little life he is living.
I guess it makes no difference if any one is who they say they are. As long as no one gets hurt, right?

[swethirte]

Alright.. well then lets see.
I think that the picture in swettys avatar is a girl from that team in 2004 and I believe I have found her.
Maybe she can post a picture to disprove this holding yesterdays newspaper.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061205012816/http://members.aol.com/duke9802/greenhopetennis2004.html

The green hope tennis team roster from 2004.
Green Hope High school is in Cary NC.
Looking through the members of the team I find Liz Killion who was in Grade 10.
There is another picture of that girl looking a lot like swethirte, from 2008, at college in Cary NC.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=25143&dateline=1253230222http://www.guilford.edu/assets/images/athletics/Killion-Liz_000.gif
Am I wrong? The picture comparison may be a little hard to swallow.
But then was everybody wrong too back then? Does all the evidence around us not point to this being a trick. When it happens everywhere else.. I just don't see why you would assume this time its something else than a man living a fantasy life on the internet.
Also, evidence points to their whole book being a fraud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda#Skepticism
Within the first few years after the appearance of the Oera Linda Book, there was great skepticism concerning its authenticity, not only for the exceptional claims being made, but also because of a number of anachronisms it contained. Research was performed on the quality of the paper, and it was claimed to have come from a papermill in Maastricht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht) circa 1850. This skepticism has not prevented the book from being a source of inspiration for a number of occultists, speculative historians, and political parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) during the century or more since its emergence.

I'm convinced, myself. I don't care if the rest of you guys are fooled or not. I really am not willing to put any more effort into exposing this weird little life he is living.
I guess it makes no difference if any one is who they say they are. As long as no one gets hurt, right?

I find it difficult to believe that anyone could mistake that person for me, but you are of course free to believe what you like. We know all about these allegations as they've been circulating for years, and we know their source too. It really doesn't matter to us what people think as we will go on doing what we do regardless. I didn't come here to proselytise on behalf of the Daughters of Frya, but because I find many of the subjects under discussion here of interest. But these personal attacks are beyond me, and I'm lost for words. If you want to see us, come to Avebury at Yule. If not, that's fine too.

[phildee3]

If you want to see us, come to Avebury at Yule. If not, that's fine too.



Well, I think you're pretty safe there.
I doubt if anynody is going to come to a field in the middle of nowhere (a mile from Avebury), in the middlle of winter on the cold and windy downs, in the middle of a pitch black night with no moon just to see if you can do the number of knee bends you claim to (how long does that take, ffs?).

Not to mention - will you be able to do the same number the next day, and the next??

I'm not saying you can't - or don't. I simply don't know.
But it does look a bit suspicious.
Why don't you do your demonstration somewhere a little more accessible for the laity?


Suspicion is also raised by the photos on the DoF website.
But I'd like to point out, to those loudly crying "fake," that nowhere is it claimed that the houses are anything other than those of a regular neighbourhood on the island and that the model actually is a D of F. This is a common technique used in the media.

[nicolaj]

what is the reason the website doesn't mention the uk base or other bases around the world besides those in the netherlands and germany?

[swethirte]

Well, I think you're pretty safe there.
I doubt if anynody is going to come to a field in the middle of nowhere (a mile from Avebury), in the middlle of winter on the cold and windy downs, in the middle of a pitch black night with no moon just to see if you can do the number of knee bends you claim to (how long does that take, ffs?).

Not to mention - will you be able to do the same number the next day, and the next??

I'm not saying you can't - or don't. I simply don't know.
But it does look a bit suspicious.
Why don't you do your demonstration somewhere a little more accessible for the laity?


Suspicion is also raised by the photos on the DoF website.
But I'd like to point out, to those loudly crying "fake," that nowhere is it claimed that the houses are anything other than those of a regular neighbourhood on the island and that the model actually is a D of F. This is a common technique used in the media.

We're doing it there because its the centre of the ley-line network, and yule is our most sacred and powrful day. Avebury usually has quite a few visitors at the winter solstice by the way, despite the cold. 600 knee bends takes 3 hours, and each day we have two shifts, totalling 6 hours.

[swethirte]

what is the reason the website doesn't mention the uk base or other bases around the world besides those in the netherlands and germany?

There's no branch in Germany, and the website mentions our branches in the UK, the USA and Australia, in addition to our international postal address.

[phildee3]

each day we have two shifts, totalling 6 hours.



So why are you inviting us to the most uncomfortable, inconvenient, daily session?
What are you inviting us to do?

[uncia]

There's no branch in Germany, and the website mentions our branches in the UK, the USA and Australia, in addition to our international postal address.
Just a bunch of crackpots then with no plausible link to Frya.

[swethirte]

So why are you inviting us to the most uncomfortable, inconvenient, daily session?
What are you inviting us to do?

Lol. You will not be asked to do any knee bends, just to be present when we raise the energy.

[swethirte]

Just a bunch of crackpots then with no plausible link to Frya.

Frya is our goddess whom we worship daily. What other sort of link are you talking about?

[converger]

is your godess is exist
and which of the ancient civilization she belongs
god luck swithirte

[swethirte]

is your godess is exist
and which of the ancient civilization she belongs
god luck swithirte

She certainly exists, I know this from personal experience of her. She belongs to the Frisian civilisation, which was named after her, though later civilisations, such as the Norse, knew her under slightly different names, and had forgotten or misunderstood her teachings.

[kidsarocker]

http://frya.angelfire.com/

1. Abstain from meat, intoxicants, sexual activity and orgasm
2. At all times wear only the tohnekka, the short white tunic
3. Perform 1,200 deep knee-bends every day in devotion

sound like hippies, they substitute orgasm with competition and sports - which gives kind of the same rush sometimes to be honest.

Spending 6 hours a day bending your knees sounds like an awesome way to spend your life...

----------

Bend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘Wr-alda’, until we are on our haunches.

Remain in this posture for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Anfang’.

Unbend our knees for six seconds, chanting the word ‘t-Bijin’, until we are standing again.

We repeat these actions immediately, and continue doing so for the full three hours (i.e. 600 times). The second daily session is exactly the same, making a total of 1,200 deep knee-bends each day. The chanted words mean ‘Wr-alda, the Origin, the Beginning’ and constitute our most sacred formula. The purpose of this ritual is to channel the Spirit of Wr-alda through our bodies, focusing and directing the energy back outwards, thus bringing health and fertility to the earth.

Sounds more like a cult to me.

6 hours of wasted time. Do they ever go to work? If so how do they do their day time prayers in the winter when it is dark at 4pm? I'm sure would not give them three hours a day of work to do these prayers and would these members take the employer to a tribunal or something on freedom of religion

This is definately a false religion, I mean if all females were part of this group where is the fertility of the Human race? You would have a heck of a load more rape.

[swethirte]

Sounds more like a cult to me.

6 hours of wasted time. Do they ever go to work? If so how do they do their day time prayers in the winter when it is dark at 4pm? I'm sure would not give them three hours a day of work to do these prayers and would these members take the employer to a tribunal or something on freedom of religion

This is definately a false religion, I mean if all females were part of this group where is the fertility of the Human race? You would have a heck of a load more rape.

We do not advocate that all women should join, only those called to the service of Frya as priestesses.

Those 6 hours are most certainly not wasted, because we commune with Frya and use the energies to heal the earth and its people. Some of us do indeed work outside, often part time, but even full time is perfectly possible, by doing one shift in the early morning and the other in the evening. It doesn't have to be one shift in daylight and the other at night, that is just an ideal we aim for.

[phildee3]

Lol. You will not be asked to do any knee bends, just to be present when we raise the energy.



I didn't ask what we have been invited not to do.
What would be the purpose for non-participants being there?

[swethirte]

I didn't ask what we have been invited not to do.
What would be the purpose for non-participants being there?

To take part in the sense of absorbing the energies, but not actually having to do anything as such.

[phildee3]

She belongs to the Frisian civilisation, which was named after her,



Correction.
We belong to the gods that we worship, not vice-versa.



...though later civilisations, such as the Norse, knew her under slightly different names, and had forgotten or misunderstood her teachings.



If the Frisian civilization was named after her then she existed before the "Frisian civilization." Possibly for millenia, nobody can know.

If the DoFs do things that are not in the Oera Linda book, they can also be "misunderstood teachings."
In fact, having worked with many gods and saints on the other side myself, I can be sure that it is contrary to Frya's energy to celebreate Yule at midnight in the pitch dark. You will be giving your good energy to dark forces - not to raise the fertility of the good earth (which is your intent).

[phildee3]

To take part in the sense of absorbing the energies,



The "sense of..."? :confused:
Do you mean that we absorb some of the energy, or witness it being absorbed?

For what purpose?

[swethirte]

Correction.
We belong to the gods that we worship, not vice-versa.



If the Frisian civilization was named after her then she existed before the "Frisian civilization." Possibly for millenia, nobody can know.

If the DoFs do things that are not in the Oera Linda book, they can also be "misunderstood teachings."
In fact, having worked with many gods and saints on the other side myself, I can be sure that it is contrary to Frya's energy to celebreate Yule at midnight in the pitch dark. You will be giving your good energy to dark forces - not to raise the fertility of the good earth (which is your intent).

Yes, she existed long before Frisian civilisation, since the dawn of the human race in fact.

We celebrate it all night long, from midnight to sunrise, ushering in the new year.

[swethirte]

The "sense of..."? :confused:
Do you mean that we absorb some of the energy, or witness it being absorbed?

For what purpose?

All present absorb it. It is usually used for healing.

[converger]

why men are not allowed to join to this religion
someone told me the frisian belong the germanics

[uncia]

Frya is our goddess whom we worship daily. What other sort of link are you talking about?
The priestesses of Frya were vowed to perpetual celibacy; and you're not even a Frisian. So what has Frya got to do with you?

[swethirte]

why men are not allowed to join to this religion
someone told me the frisian belong the germanics

Only women are called to the service of Frya because only women are physically capable of channelling the energies in this fashion.

Yes, the Frisian language is a branch of Germanic, North Sea Germanic in fact, as is its closest linguistic relative, English.

[phildee3]

All present absorb it. It is usually used for healing.



Thank you.
Am I correct in thinking that this is so because the energy is directed to the welbeing of the earth, and all lifeforms that are part of it?

If so, why midnight when it is dormant?
Surely sunrise would be the best time - or at least during the morning - when the sap is rising.

[swethirte]

The priestesses of Frya were vowed to perpetual celibacy; and you're not even a Frisian. So what has Frya got to do with you?

My family has Frisian ancestry. Many in England do, as it happens, because the Frisians were among the peoples who made up the Anglo-Saxons.

[swethirte]

Thank you.
Am I correct in thinking that this is so because the energy is directed to the welbeing of the earth, and all lifeforms that are part of it?

If so, why midnight when it is dormant?
Surely sunrise would be the best time - or at least during the morning - when the sap is rising.

Yes, you are correct.

We start at midnight, when the sun is at its lowest ebb, building up to sunrise.

[eternal_spirit]

Just a bunch of crackpots then with no plausible link to Frya.

That's what Christians say about other Christian sects about Christ.

[remium]

Saxon Greeting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ive just found this ... click on pic above ... intriguing.

After doing the research im coming to the conclusion that this could be a lil darker than first appears!!!

With a base in Nazi occult gymnastics?!? :eek:

And touring europe before the second world war .... setting down dark energies before the onset perhaps?!? :(

[kidsarocker]

We do not advocate that all women should join, only those called to the service of Frya as priestesses.

Those 6 hours are most certainly not wasted, because we commune with Frya and use the energies to heal the earth and its people. Some of us do indeed work outside, often part time, but even full time is perfectly possible, by doing one shift in the early morning and the other in the evening. It doesn't have to be one shift in daylight and the other at night, that is just an ideal we aim for.

How about a 9-5 jobs? Oh I'm sorry, I just read one of your post that you say "We start at midnight, when the sun is at its lowest ebb, building up to sunrise. " so you too tired to go to work in the morning. A BS religion created for the excuse of being lazy and just for woman. Well I'm a man and I want to join..after all you women say we are both equal

Why not use your time and energies going to africa, they surely need some healing over there

[nicolaj]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg/180px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Greeting)

Ive just found this ... click on pic above ... intriguing.

After doing the research im coming to the conclusion that this could be a lil darker than first appears!!!

With a base in Nazi occult gymnastics?!? :eek:

And touring europe before the second world war .... setting down dark energies before the onset perhaps?!? :(

I read something similar eariler about the DoF and advertising on Neonazis websites..

I dont know what to make of it..:rolleyes:

[swethirte]

How about a 9-5 jobs?

Why not use your time and energies going to africa, they surely need some healing over there

With a 9 to 5 job one could easily do an early morning and an evening shift.

We tend to help those a little closer to home.

[eternal_spirit]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg/180px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Greeting)

Ive just found this ... click on pic above ... intriguing.

After doing the research im coming to the conclusion that this could be a lil darker than first appears!!!

With a base in Nazi occult gymnastics?!? :eek:

And touring europe before the second world war .... setting down dark energies before the onset perhaps?!? :(
here educate yourself about how it really started the war etc.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1287815&postcount=6

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=301 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1215912&postcount=301)

[swethirte]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg/180px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2000-0110-500%2C_BDM%2C_Gymnastikvorf%C3%BChrung.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Greeting)

Ive just found this ... click on pic above ... intriguing.

After doing the research im coming to the conclusion that this could be a lil darker than first appears!!!

With a base in Nazi occult gymnastics?!? :eek:

And touring europe before the second world war .... setting down dark energies before the onset perhaps?!? :(

It's no real secret that the Nazis had an interest in the Oera Linda Book, and adopted some of its techniques. That's not the book's fault, or ours. But of course, that doesn't stop our opponents trying to discredit us for that reason.
Julleuchter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Herman Wirth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[remium]

here educate yourself about how it really started the war etc.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1287815&postcount=6

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=301 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1215912&postcount=301)

sorry bud not really interested in analysing the start of the war ... I was putting forward a piece I found concerning this thread :)

Thanks for the thought tho :cool:

[themime]

It's no real secret that the Nazis had an interest in the Oera Linda Book, and adopted some of its techniques. That's not the book's fault, or ours. But of course, that doesn't stop our opponents trying to discredit us for that reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julleuchter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Wirth

Don't let the delusional egos get to you swethirte, some people only seem happy when they're defiling light filled things.

[remium]

It's no real secret that the Nazis had an interest in the Oera Linda Book, and adopted some of its techniques. That's not the book's fault, or ours. But of course, that doesn't stop our opponents trying to discredit us for that reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julleuchter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Wirth

You see the conclusion I seem to be coming to refers to the nazi's taking the old germanic pagan religion and making it there new religion for the aryan race, even more so with the links you have provided ... now like I say thats the open ended conclusion im at, at this time.
Is what your saying that your basing your teachings on the state of the pagan germanic rites before the ressurection the nazi's tried to make of it?

Also I cant understand why anyone would want to discredit 200 eccentric women dancing around henges of various types. Unless its the white supremicists double bluffing...if you get my meaning.

[remium]

Don't let the delusional egos get to you swethirte, some people only seem happy when they're defiling light filled things.

Arr no themime ...I wasn't for or against but im now intrigued and I have questions...thats all :)

[swethirte]

You see the conclusion I seem to be coming to refers to the nazi's taking the old germanic pagan religion and making it there new religion for the aryan race, even more so with the links you have provided ... now like I say thats the open ended conclusion im at, at this time.
Is what your saying that your basing your teachings on the state of the pagan germanic rites before the ressurection the nazi's tried to make of it?

Also I cant understand why anyone would want to discredit 200 eccentric women dancing around henges of various types. Unless its the white supremicists double bluffing...if you get my meaning.

The Nazis took things from all over the place, including the Oera Linda Book. But the book itself predates the Nazis, and our teachings are based on the book, not what others have made of it. It is our belief that the book is ancient, with parts going back more than 4000 years. But even hardened sceptics would have to concede that it cannot be any more recent than the 1860s, when the current manuscript was rediscovered.

[themime]

Arr no themime ...I wasn't for or against but im now intrigued and I have questions...thats all :)

:D Didn't mean you remium, if your asking questions to learn rather than trying to argue against a belief system just to soothe your ego then I respect you for that.

My comment was aimed at those who mistake fear and ego for moral superiority

:).

[remium]

The Nazis took things from all over the place, including the Oera Linda Book. But the book itself predates the Nazis, and our teachings are based on the book, not what others have made of it. It is our belief that the book is ancient, with parts going back more than 4000 years. But even hardened sceptics would have to concede that it cannot be any more recent than the 1860s, when the current manuscript was rediscovered.

Well I believe you believe you have the best of intentions, where ever the beginnings lie in your following ... All the best :)

[remium]

:D Didn't mean you remium, if your asking questions to learn rather than trying to argue against a belief system just to soothe your ego then I respect you for that.

My comment was aimed at those who mistake fear and ego for moral superiority

:).

:cool:

[swethirte]

Well I believe you believe you have the best of intentions, where ever the beginnings lie in your following ... All the best :)

Thanks.

[kidsarocker]

With a 9 to 5 job one could easily do an early morning and an evening shift.

We tend to help those a little closer to home.

So there is nothing set in your religion? I want to join

[swethirte]

So there is nothing set in your religion? I want to join

I don't imagine for one second your request is serious, but just for the record, there are indeed three basic principles that are set. As it says on our website:

Membership is open to any woman who vows to:

1. Abstain from meat, intoxicants, sexual activity and orgasm
2. At all times wear only the tohnekka, the short white tunic
3. Perform 1,200 deep knee-bends every day in devotion

[phildee3]

We start at midnight, when the sun is at its lowest ebb, building up to sunrise.



That's actually very cool.
If that's the climax, then you are celebrating the light.

But you are facing the wrong direction!
Any energy you put into the earth at The Beckampton Avenue flows southwest, following the sunset and then the moonset (around 9 pm)
- an offering to the darkness.

Who told you that the Beckhampton stones are at a "ley line" centre?

[swethirte]

That's actually very cool.
If that's the climax, then you are celebrating the light.

But you are facing the wrong direction!
Any energy you put into the earth at The Beckampton Avenue flows southwest, following the sunset and then the moonset (around 9 pm)
- an offering to the darkness.

Who told you that the Beckhampton stones are at a "ley line" centre?

There's a map on the invitation thread showing the network of ley lines and how these are the centre. The energy will therefore be flowing out in all directions. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633

[size_of_light]

There's a map on the invitation thread showing the network of ley lines and how these are the centre. The energy will therefore be flowing out in all directions. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633

How come the picture of the chick in the white skirt on your homepage is of a model from the 'erotic costumes' section of an adult website?

Answer carefully or I'll find that site again and post the link here. ;)

[swethirte]

How come the picture of the chick in the white skirt on your homepage is of a model from the 'erotic costumes' section of an adult website?

Answer carefully or I'll find that site again and post the link here. ;)

I didn't design the website, and have no idea where they got the model from.

[size_of_light]

I didn't design the website, and have no idea where they got the model from.

Don't you think they must be taking the piss if they're using a model dressed in erotic costume 'borrowed' from a sex site to represent a group of chaste women like yourselves?

[swethirte]

Don't you think they must be taking the piss if they're using a model dressed in erotic costume fro a sex site to represent a group of chaste women like yourselves?

Or indicating the types of clothing available? I really don't know, as I say, I'm not responsible for the website.

[size_of_light]

Or indicating the types of clothing available? I really don't know, as I say, I'm not responsible for the website.

You've answered 'carefully.'

Continue. ;)

The important thing is we all have fun and no young women end up being drugged or raped.

[swethirte]

You've answered 'carefully.'

Continue. ;)

The important thing is we all have fun and no young women end up being drugged or raped.

What else do you want to know?

[phildee3]

There's a map on the invitation thread showing the network of ley lines and how these are the centre. The energy will therefore be flowing out in all directions. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69633



That map shows Avebry at the centre - not the middle of Beckhampton Avenue!
You said:



at the Winter Solstice this year the British branch of the Daughters of Frya will be holding our public open ritual at the Longstones Adam and Eve, near Avebury.

This site has been chosen because it's the very centre of the ley line network in the British Isles.



Sure you'd be radiating out in all directions if you were in the centre of the circle (well four actually - the bank funnels the energy down the avenues) but you will be in the very middle, and strongest part, of the westward current.

[swethirte]

That map shows Avebry at the centre - not the middle of Beckhampton Avenue!
You said:



Sure you'd be radiating out in all directions if you were in the centre of the circle (well four actually - the bank funnels the energy down the avenues) but you will be in the very middle, and strongest part, of the westward current.

The map is actually centred on Longstone Adam, which is where we'll be.

[size_of_light]

What else do you want to know?

Why you're not curious about the fact that your order is comfortable using such a contrary image on it's own homepage.

[phildee3]

The map is actually centred on Longstone Adam, which is where we'll be.



Apologies.
I just managed to zoom in on the legend.
Which brings me back to the same question:
Whose ley system is this?
Who did the map?

[swethirte]

Why you're not curious about the fact that your order is comfortable using such a contrary image on it's own homepage.

The image accurately represents the tohnekka, even down to the gold braiding, which is a symbol of rank, incidentally. I can only assume that the people who were paid to create the website used the most accurate image available. That is not my department.

[phildee3]

The map is actually centred on Longstone Adam, which is where we'll be.



Don't you think Eve might get jealous?

[swethirte]

Apologies.
I just managed to zoom in on the legend.
Which brings me back to the same question:
Whose ley system is this?
Who did the map?

The map came from this website. http://www.beckhampton-adam.co.uk/Index.cfm?pageID=6

[swethirte]

Don't you think Eve might get jealous?

Lol.

[size_of_light]

The image accurately represents the tohnekka, even down to the gold braiding, which is a symbol of rank, incidentally. I can only assume that the people who were paid to create the website used the most accurate image available. That is not my department.

Why didn't they use a legitimate image of you or one of your sisters wearing the tohnekka?

Surely your superiors were in consultation with the website designers and had final approval over the content.

I know, I know - you don't know the answer.

I'm just surprised that it doesn't disturb you and ring alarm bells like it does with me.

[phildee3]

Lol.



I'm deadly serious!
I wouldn't mess with the spirit of any one of Avebury's stones!

Have you done this before?

[swethirte]

Why didn't they use a legitimate image of you or one of your sisters wearing the tohnekka?

Surely your superiors were in consultation with the website designers and had final approval over the content.

I know, I know - you don't know the answer.

I'm just surprised that it doesn't disturb you and ring alarm bells like it does with me.

Perhaps for privacy issues? And maybe the images used were all freely available? And just for the record, I don't have any "superiors", because we are not hierarchical. A seven-member committee co-ordinates our activity, but each Burch (branch) is largely autonomous.

[swethirte]

I'm deadly serious!
I wouldn't mess with the spirit of any one of Avebury's stones!

Have you done this before?

We haven't done Avebury before, and I'm very much looking forward to the experience.

[phildee3]

We haven't done Avebury before, and I'm very much looking forward to the experience.



That's not Avebury m'dear. That's the Beckampton longstones.

I can't open the website for the map.

[swethirte]

That's not Avebury m'dear. That's the Beckampton longstones.

I can't open the website for the map.

The Avebury area then! I don't know why you can't open the link, it works fine here.

[size_of_light]

Perhaps for privacy issues? And maybe the images used were all freely available?

Strange that there'd be privacy issues when you're here freely displaying yourself in your sporty Frya costume on this forum.

Maybe they should have asked you to represent them for the purposes of maintaining a sense of the order's true spiritual integrity instead of going the tacky and suspicious path and 'borrowing' an image from an adult website instead.

[swethirte]

Strange that there'd be privacy issues when you're here freely displaying yourself in your sporty Frya costume on this forum.

Maybe they should have asked you to represent them for the purpose of maintaining your order's spiritual intergrity instead of going tacky and 'borrowing' an image from an adult website instead.

It was my decision to show myself, but yes that's not a bad idea I guess. As for where the image came from, perhaps the site you refer to got it from somewhere else?

[size_of_light]

As for where the image came from, perhaps the site you refer to got it from somewhere else?

No.

From memory the same model was wearing a crotchless lace bodystocking in the next image.