I saw Jay Z last night at Wembley Stadium

[codie]

I do like his music :o

Most of the crowd did the triangle hand sign to him. He was good.
He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:

It only dawned on me this morning I was thinking how good the night was and I remembered that.

[mountain]

Oh gawd, you serious codie?!

I never really like his style at all and he comes off as hating 2pac and thats a no-no for me :mad:

Hey codie, you know he's a possible Freemason, yea?

[codie]

Oh gawd, you serious codie?!

I never really like his style at all and he comes off as hating 2pac and thats a no-no for me :mad:

Hey codie, you know he's a possible Freemason, yea?

I know :( I felt kinda bad. We went to see Coldplay as I do like some of their stuff like 42.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7XQfyHCrx8

[mountain]

Nah don't feel bad! I listen to all kinds of shite :D

[loublaze3]

I do like his music :o

Most of the crowd did the triangle hand sign to him. He was good.
He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:

It only dawned on me this morning I was thinking how good the night was and I remembered that.


Sounds like guilt after a night of amazing sex with a whore

[metacomet]

He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:


Yuck.

Well, you basically witnessed a mass ritual.

[ambler1980]

I do like his music :o

Most of the crowd did the triangle hand sign to him. He was good.
He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:

It only dawned on me this morning I was thinking how good the night was and I remembered that.

Sounds like your programming went well.

[meksar]

I do like his music :o

Most of the crowd did the triangle hand sign to him. He was good.
He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:

It only dawned on me this morning I was thinking how good the night was and I remembered that.

Do you know the sort of things that cocksucker has had to do to get where he is?, if not then is always time to learn and see what sort of a "man" he is.

[actaeons_revenge]

This reminds of the time I went to see Snoop Dogg about 8 years ago. Regret for days....

[eurofighter]

Do you know the sort of things that cocksucker has had to do to get where he is?, if not then is always time to learn and see what sort of a "man" he is.

agreed. He was literally a nobody and only really known by a few Asian Youths a couple of years ago, Jay made a deal with the Devil/666/Illuminati to get where he is now.

BTW, people on this thread should check out the hidden meaning of the down music video on this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc927A_QrXs

[youreparanoid]

This reminds of the time I went to see Snoop Dogg about 8 years ago. Regret for days....
=]
You can't just say that and not tell!!!! what happened? C'mmmmonnnnnn!!!! Same sort of deal? you must share with us. =D

[actaeons_revenge]

Nothing happened. It's just that a buddy of mine (we're both into metal) decided to see Snoop since he was big when we were growing up. I went along and boy, was it disappointing! It was just him and a pimp in a green suit on stage talking. I felt ripped off! On top of that, some guy in front of us got his head busted open because another guy didn't like the signs he was throwing up with his hands. The regret came when I realized that I had supported the most soulless form of "music" available to the masses.

Fuck that shit! :mad:

[codie]

Sounds like guilt after a night of amazing sex with a whore

haha ok. I wouldn't no about that but I see what you are saying.

[codie]

Yuck.

Well, you basically witnessed a mass ritual.

Yeah, thats what i was emplying, but not all the crowd were lapping it up, in fact the majority weren't.

And what was the ritual for? I'd like to know what was being done?

[codie]

Sounds like your programming went well.

What do you mean, was I temporarily programmed or permenently? I was merely observing the show. I was quite aware of what was going on, and all the symbolism etc.

How was I programmed im genuinely curious? Because I agree that when I listen to chilled out music I feel relaxed, and when I listen to Jay Z or even Rage Against The Machine I do feel my mood turn slightly darker. But as soon as I put something more light on like er Bob Marley something i'm ok again. Is that not a vibrational thing?

[subl1minal]

Rage Against The Machine is high energy/angst music, it shouldn't really make you turn dark haha I mean I see it as only positive music.

Jay Z on the other hand, talking about running towns and his Masonic hand gestures/symbols and the blatant fact that he IS a Freemason just says it all.

[codie]

Rage Against The Machine is high energy/angst music, it shouldn't really make you turn dark haha I mean I see it as only positive music.

Jay Z on the other hand, talking about running towns and his Masonic hand gestures/symbols and the blatant fact that he IS a Freemason just says it all.

Hi Subliminal :)
ok yeah I get that but the how does the fact that he's a freemason influence my mood?

[subl1minal]

Hi Subliminal :)
ok yeah I get that but the how does the fact that he's a freemason influence my mood?

Oh his subliminal messages in his videos and just the general tone of his music. It's a far cry from tackling Capitalism/NWO like Rage's music and making people feel unified! :)

[cathar]

Rap is Crap !!!!!...Nursery rhymes for dumbed down people...A hundred years from now
people will be amazed that it was popular...Rap is sad commentary on the age we live in.

[loublaze3]

Rap is Crap !!!!!...Nursery rhymes for dumbed down people...A hundred years from now
people will be amazed that it was popular...Rap is sad commentary on the age we live in.

Sound like a bitter middle aged white guy. What did you listen to in your teens grandpa? Thats such an ignorant and closed minded way of thinking. I don't listen to knew commercial stuff but every genre has good and bad. Hip hop included.

[el jefe]

just the general tone of his music.
Couldn't this be said about all music though?

Im trying to understand how music can influence evil. The beat? Specific notes trigger things in our minds?

[loublaze3]

Couldn't this be said about all music though?

Im trying to understand how music can influence evil. The beat? Specific notes trigger things in our minds?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4952646.stm

The Devil is said to have the best tunes, but what do they sound like? A new film about the history of heavy metal highlights the so-called Devil's Interval, a musical phenomenon suppressed by the Church in the Middle Ages.

On the surface there might appear to be no link between Black Sabbath, Wagner's Gotterdammerung, West Side Story and the theme tune to the Simpsons.

But all of them rely heavily on tritones, a musical interval that spans three whole tones, like the diminished fifth or augmented fourth. This interval, the gap between two notes played in succession or simultaneously, was branded Diabolus in Musica or the Devil's Interval by medieval musicians.

A rich mythology has grown up around it. Many believe that the Church wanted to eradicate the sounds from its music because it invoked sexual feelings, or that it was genuinely the work of the Devil.

It is a mythology much beloved of long-haired guitar wizards.

In the newly-released documentary Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, bassist Alex Webster of death metal act Cannibal Corpse pays tribute to the effect of the forbidden "Devil's note" on heavy metal.

And rock producer Bob Ezrin pronounces: "It apparently was the sound used to call up the beast. There is something very sexual about the tritone.

"In the Middle Ages when people were ignorant and scared, when they heard something like that and felt that reaction in their body they thought 'uh oh, here come the Devil'."

It all sounds a little like the plot of a far-fetched Da Vinci Code sequel.

But Professor John Deathridge, King Edward professor of music at King's College London, says the tritone had been consistently linked to evil.

"In medieval theology you have to have some way of presenting the devil. Or if someone in the Roman Catholic Church wanted to portray the crucifixion, it is sometimes used there."

But there were musical treatises and sets of rules produced that did come to forbid the use of the interval, which was seen as wrong when it came up in choruses of monks.

"There are strict musical rules. You aren't allowed to use this particular dissonance. It simply won't work technically, you are taught not to write that interval. But you can read into that a theological ban in the guise of a technical ban."

Wagner a fan

The Devil's Interval enjoyed great popularity among composers in the 19th Century, when "you have got lots of presentations of evil built around the tritone".

"It can sound very spooky. It depends on how you orchestrate. It is also quite exciting," says Professor Deathridge. "[Wagner's] Gotterdammerung has one of the most exciting scenes - a 'pagan', evil scene, the drums and the timpani. It is absolutely terrifying, it is like a black mass.

"There is a big connection between heavy rock music and Wagner. They have cribbed quite a lot from 19th Century music."

A more modern advocate of the tritone is Black Sabbath - the rock outfit led by Ozzy Osbourne - particularly in their signature song, Black Sabbath, a milestone in the genesis of heavy metal.

But this link between heavy metal and musical conjuring of the Devil in the Middle Ages comes as a bit of a surprise to the band's guitarist, Tony Iommi.

"When I started writing Sabbath stuff it was just something that sounded right. I didn't think I was going to make it Devil music," Iommi tells the Magazine.

'False music'

He says he was aiming for "something that sounded really evil and very doomy" but admits he may have been unconsciously influenced by other music and was certainly not aiming to summon the Devil.

Black Sabbath - Tony Iommi bottom left
Sabbath's Tony Iommi was not attempting to invoke the Devil

"Beforehand [we were doing] jazzy blues. It certainly wasn't something I thought about - I didn't read music. I had no terms for anything

"I like all sorts of classical stuff - various sorts of music, jazz, blues, to classical played a big part in my writing."

There are, however, plenty of bands who consciously use tritones, including the notorious metal act Slayer, who offered their tribute in an album simply entitled Diabolus in Musica.

But Anthony Pryer, who runs a postgraduate course in historical musicology, believes heavy metal bands have got the wrong end of the stick "firmly with both hands".

"It was recognised to be a problem in music right back to the 9th Century. It is a natural consequence, and so they banned it. They had rules for getting around it.


DEVILISH EXAMPLES
Beethoven's Fidelio
Wagner's Gotterdammerung
West Side Story's Maria
Simpsons theme tune
Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze

"It was called Diabolus in Musica by two or three writers in the medieval or renaissance [period]. It was 'false music', the intervals weren't natural.

"They may have thought it was devilishly hard to teach the singers not to sing it. I don't think they ever thought of it as the Devil dwelling in music.

Now the Devil's Interval has a natural home in many genres, particularly film music, jazz and blues, where, says Mr Pryer, it is "quite common because of its association with tension and sinister things".

"A lot of films have what musicians call Captain Tritone in them. As soon as there is a [baddie such as a] foreign officer out comes the Tritone. It's a sort of badge - here's Mr Nasty. What's going to happen?"

Spooky feel

Dissonance does provoke a strange feeling, Mr Pryer says, but it is nothing to do with Satan.

Scene from Wagner's Das Rheingold
Wagner provided the inspiration for some heavy metal
"[Dissonance] is something that yearns to be resolved. A very good example would be the opening of West Side Story, Maria. It wants to resolve into the next note. It is a special kind of tension. It gives that angular, edgy, spooky feel. Film music is often extremely sophisticated at signalling to a listener here is a particular kind of character. It is a leitmotif, first used by Wagner."

Whatever the real story of the Devil's Interval, the romantic linkage between Lucifer and popular music will continue, and stretches back from heavy metal through the Rolling Stones to Robert Johnson and beyond.

Mr Pryer cites Giuseppe Tartini, an 18th Century violin virtuoso who composed the Devil's Trill Sonata, a piece so complicated many modern players struggle to master it.

"He did this incredibly difficult [piece] and claimed in a dream he had heard the devil giving him instructions how to do it.

"Two centuries later, he would probably have been in a heavy metal band."

[armoured_amazon]

He thanked everybody for their energy about 4 times. :eek:

Just make sure you put on spiritual armour before going to events like that. :)

[codie]

Oh his subliminal messages in his videos and just the general tone of his music. It's a far cry from tackling Capitalism/NWO like Rage's music and making people feel unified! :)

Hey Sub,

Yeah I totally agree with ya. I can't deny that they both effect me mood wise in the same way though. They both make me a little grrrrr like lol.

[codie]

Couldn't this be said about all music though?

Im trying to understand how music can influence evil. The beat? Specific notes trigger things in our minds?

Yeah thats what i mean, I think it's more to do with the vibration of the music, as opposed to the lyrics. Lyrics of course do have a big impact also. But certain sounds effect me on different levels.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0MkF2ZESnA&feature=related

[el jefe]

What does this sound like?

But all of them rely heavily on tritones, a musical interval that spans three whole tones, like the diminished fifth or augmented fourth. This interval, the gap between two notes played in succession or simultaneously, was branded Diabolus in Musica or the Devil's Interval by medieval musicians.

I just cant see how 3 notes played together summons the Devil

Would it sound like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9VMUkmu_wQ

[el jefe]

Another video on Tritones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gviCJw3BqfQ

[blackstar76]

Rap is Crap !!!!!...Nursery rhymes for dumbed down people...A hundred years from now
people will be amazed that it was popular...Rap is sad commentary on the age we live in.

I tend to agree. I think rap and hip hop is designed to further posion black culture. It is all about money,drugs,hoe's,and material things. The only way black people can get any of that on the street is by being a thug. Killing and dealing drugs. There are no jobs for them so they have no alternative. They see success as material.Bling and Ching. Thats what the "MAN" wants. For them to kill each other and corupt society.

[gutcassidy]

I tend to agree. I think rap and hip hop is designed to further posion black culture. It is all about money,drugs,hoe's,and material things. The only way black people can get any of that on the street is by being a thug. Killing and dealing drugs. There are no jobs for them so they have no alternative. They see success as material.Bling and Ching. Thats what the "MAN" wants. For them to kill each other and corupt society.

Way to generalize an amazingly diverse musical genre.

[loublaze3]

I tend to agree. I think rap and hip hop is designed to further posion black culture. It is all about money,drugs,hoe's,and material things. The only way black people can get any of that on the street is by being a thug. Killing and dealing drugs. There are no jobs for them so they have no alternative. They see success as material.Bling and Ching. Thats what the "MAN" wants. For them to kill each other and corupt society.

You guys are sadly mistaken. Please do research before coming to such conclusions. Hip hop is a diverse genre. Yes there are negatives..some of which you mention and choose to focus on as what represents all hip hop. And yes the commercial engine has pushed a lot of rubbish to the forefront. There are more hiphop artists who actually have real things to say than the bling blingers (who I loathe) and the mindless gangbangers and drug lord wannabes....way more. Whats on radio and TV is mostly rubbish IMO. But educate yourselves before making your selves look ignorant

[loublaze3]

This is Melatonin Magik...

Sumerian, Chinese, Egyptian, Latin
Nobody can match Canibus when I'm rappin (what happened?)
Captain Cold Crush get it crackin
Theres more than one person right now thats not laughin
Squash microphones wit unknown chromosomes
To discover the codes that controls the brain's frontal lobes
The pineal gland glows (go! go! go!)
Don't look back, I got ya back bro
He's a high profile target, code name Sergeant Armpits
He was Rakim Allah's first artist
Lemme bus' em; naw, I'ma punish em, Ra
I'ma show you how the mothafuckin government lie
Got nothin to do with pride, you must realize
Few of us will be alive by Solar Cycle 25
I tried to look for solutions, thats not enough time
They won't be satisfied til every one of us die
Aight, calm the fuck down and listen to my rhymes
the only way that you can free yourself is your mind
First thing you gotta do is put the antagonism behind
Then you gotta put ya life on the line
The reward is great; the risk? Even greater
Fellowship can only make a Braveheart braver
Watch who you followin, watch who you praisin
"Yes We Can" backwards is "Thank You Satan"
YES I'm Jamaican; YES I'm a patriot
NO I will not forsake you for a paycheck
YES this is victory, YES i can taste it
NO I'm not a Mason, I'm followin my trainin
They monitor my body functions from central London
My heart rate is thumpin, I suffer from numbness
A robot arm shoves the drugs in
My scrubs are disgustin and sullen, I smell like cub skin
Funky, funky, funky odor; Bridgewater, South Dakota
My spit fizz like soda, I'm in a coma
In a pagoda, nurse McLovin
Says she wouldn't fuck me if I was her husband
Dont trust the bitch
Im in a warehouse alone
I hear doors open and close,
No phone, no intercom controls
Wouldn't matter anyway Im in a paranormal zone
Goose bumps grow, I could hear a few ghosts moan
I'm a mastermind, tryin to amplify the frequency of the rhyme
So I can learn to fly
So yeah, fuck a punchline
I'm past that prime, that's not a crime
So go find someone else to dick ride
Focus on the truth, its long overdue
It woulda never happened if I told you what I wanted to do
The Inconvenient Truth is a convenient truth
012 solar cycle 24 commin soon
I promise you Canibus achieved the impossible
It's only logical its time for the truth
Whether I'm gonna be around to witness it or not
I spit this shit for hip-hop
Twitter niggas type their hype they write Canibus smash the mic
Cause you cant blackball the light
They know my hands always been tied
You call that a fight?
Give me the mic I call in an airstrike
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide
There's some things in this worls that money can't buy
Respect, honor, fuck it, it's all corrupted
The media can not be trusted
You shouldn't need a budget, to rep hip-hop
You don't have to suck dick just to get your shot
Just work with what you got
Don't be a robot, be human
Influenced by hip-hop music


Canibus

[loublaze3]

B.I.B.L.E (BASIC instructions before leaving earth by Killah Priest)

Life is a test many quest the universe
And through my research I felt the joy and the hurt
The first shall be last and the last shall be first
The basic instructions before leaving earth
Verse One:
Knowledge this wisdom this goes back when I was twelve
I loved doing right but I was trapped in hell
Had mad ideas, sad eyes and tears
Years of fears, but yo my foes couldn't bear
I searched for the truth since my youth
And went to church since birth, but it wasn't worth the loot
that I was paying, plus the praying
I didn't like staying cuz of busy-bodies and dizzy hotties
That the preacher had souped up with lies
Had me cooped up lookin at loot, butt, and thighs
Durin the service, he swallowed up the poor
And after they heard this, they wallowed on the floor
But I ignored, and explored my history that was untold
And watched mysteries unfold
And dropped a jewel like Solomon, but never followed men
cause if you do your brain is more hollow than
Space oblivia, or the abyss
With no trace of trivia, left with the hiss
Does it pay to be deaf, dumb and blind?
From a slave we was kept from the mind
And from the caves he crept from behind
And what he gave, was the sect of the swine
When the bible, it condemned the pig
I don't mean to pull your hems or flip your qigs
But we used to wear a turban, but now we're in the urban
No more wearing beanies and dress like a genie
No hocus pocus cause I focus on the facts
And put it on the tracks and brought it through the wax
I speak on Jacob, it might take up some time
And too much knowledge, it might break up the rhyme
I did it anyway just to wake up the mind
of those who kiss stones or prays on the carpet
Those who sit home, or sell books by the market
Need to chill and get their mind revived
For years religion did nothing but divide

[loublaze3]

Hip hop is so diverse...its a shame people look at the negatives and think its a representation of all that it embodies. Some of the negatives are sad truths. Gang culture for instance is real..people are born into it and surrounded by death and negativity on a daily basis in the worst neigborhoods...what else are they going to talk about except what they know? But most artists mature with time...some like Nas or Rakim have always thought out of the box and are intelligent lyricists. People have their own tastes....but to attack a genre based on one aspect of it is wrong. If I hate punk rock for instance I can't be shallow to conclude that all rock is stupid, obnoxious and mindless (or racist if one considers the association of punk rock as an example to skinheads)

[pound]

What does this sound like?



I just cant see how 3 notes played together summons the Devil

Would it sound like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9VMUkmu_wQ


Is the tritone the popular C-E-G blues chord??