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dondaz
23-08-2007, 08:05 PM
E-mail I had sent me from Ron Paul and his team!

August 22, 2007

Not all the media are biased. A local newspaper in New Hampshire reported on an annual GOP bbq in the town of Hollis. It could be called "the Ron Paul show," they said, since the far bigger crowd that usual consisted mostly of our supporters. One volunteer even rented an airplane and flew a wonderful sign around the sky. What great, creative, self-starting people I'm meeting, at every stop, all of them united by a love of America and American freedom.

Politics is usually about division. But this campaign is just the opposite. Not only are our volunteers a bunch of happy warriors, but they also practice the virtues of tolerance and peace, just as they want the nation to do.

The other day, the state chairman of an opposing campaign (not in New Hampshire!), angrily tore a sign out of one of our supporter's hands and trashed it. Different people with different beliefs might have responded differently. But our people, though they'd been standing in the rain all day, applied the Golden Rule. It's because of quiet heroes that I know we can change this country.

A reporter in New Hampshire told me this story about Florida: she had seen the same three supporters working every day passing out our literature, and so decided to interview them. She was startled to discover that one was a Republican, one was a Democrat, and one was an Independent. But I wasn't.

Freedom brings us all together. We can all agree on leaving people alone to plan and live their own lives, rather than trying to force them to obey at the point of a gun, as runaway government does. Instead of clawing at each other via the warfare-welfare state, people under liberty can cooperate in a unity of diversity.

There is no need to use government to threaten others who have different standards, or to be threatened by them. Looking to our Founders, our traditions, and the Constitution, we can build, in peaceful cooperation, a free and prosperous society.

At a talk show in Nashua, New Hampshire, the host asked me about the fair tax. Well, I agree on getting rid of the IRS, I told her, but I want to replace it with nothing, not another tax. But let's not forget the inflation tax, I said.

This was something she had never considered, but after I talked about the depreciation of our dollar by the Federal Reserve, its creation of artificial booms and busts, and its bailouts of the big banks and Wall Street firms, to the detriment of the average person, she loved it. That is another tax, she agreed, a hidden and particularly vicious tax.

They try to tell us that the money issue is boring or irrelevant. In fact, it is the very pith of our social lives, and morally, Constitutionally, and economically, the central bank is a disaster. Thanks to the work of this movement, Americans are starting to understand what has been hidden from them for so long: that we have a right to sound and honest money, not to a dollar debauched for the special interests.

Unconstitutional government has created a war crisis, a financial crisis, a dollar crisis, and a freedom crisis. But we don't have to take it. We don't have to passively accept more dead soldiers, a lower standard of living, rising prices, a national ID, eavesdropping on our emails and phone calls, and all the rest.

We can return to first principles, and build the brightest, most brilliant future any people on earth has ever aspired to. Help me teach this lesson. Help me campaign all over this country, in cooperation with our huge and growing volunteer army. Help me show that change is not only possible, but also essential. Please, make your most generous contribution (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/)) to this campaign for a Constitutional presidency worthy of our people. Invest in freedom: for yourself, for your family, for your future.

Sincerely,

Ron

Ron Paul for President 2008

Anders Lindman
23-08-2007, 08:12 PM
"A local newspaper in New Hampshire reported on an annual GOP bbq in the town of Hollis. It could be called "the Ron Paul show," they said"

That newspaper hopefully will get more readers now. There is tough competition among newspapers. If this newspaper gets more readers, other newspapers will follow very quickly, at least the smaller ones. Eventually some big newspaper will do the same, and then the real Ron Paul show will begin.

dondaz
23-08-2007, 08:45 PM
There is tough competition among newspapers. If this newspaper gets more readers, other newspapers will follow very quickly, at least the smaller ones. Eventually some big newspaper will do the same, and then the real Ron Paul show will begin.

Bloody good point Anders! They will definately push for RP if it's going to make their sales go up!

chris
23-08-2007, 09:35 PM
Bloody good point Anders! They will definately push for RP if it's going to make their sales go up!

I second that...Teaches them not to build their establishment on greed.

chris
23-08-2007, 09:48 PM
Check out my Ron Paul video...

Ron Paul Mystery - YouTube

h1s_l0rdsh1p
23-08-2007, 11:49 PM
Look guys, no offence guys. I mean, I like hearing Ron Paul speak. But, doesn't it just seem funny, that right when we would need some one like this, they just show up out of no where?


I just don't buy the whole thing, you know.

Anders Lindman
24-08-2007, 05:11 AM
Look guys, no offence guys. I mean, I like hearing Ron Paul speak. But, doesn't it just seem funny, that right when we would need some one like this, they just show up out of no where?


I just don't buy the whole thing, you know.

Who benefits? Let's be honest. Raw business interests will benefit tremendously by Ron Paul's politics. Except the banks. That's why I suspect that Ron Paul is being promoted by a different kind of power than the other candidates who are being backed by the same ole banking interests.

Who benefits from fractional reserve banking?

Who benefits from removing fractional reserve banking?

freedomnonfighter
24-08-2007, 05:35 AM
I find it very hard to pinpoint my suspicions on this whole Ron Paul thing as well.

Yeah we can debate on who would benefit from Ron Paul speaking out against the Federal Reserve, the IRS, Tyranny, 9/11... everything.

I have the same view of his_lordship.

Though I support what he says, and his voting record. He even LOOKS like an honest man to me.
But the phrase "Too good to be True" still comes to mind.

I dunno... he's just assumed this role of Saviour.
Right when we need to stop following our leaders,
here comes "the perfect one" - everybody on board?

"Don't follow leaders, and watch yer parkin' meters!"

Anders Lindman
24-08-2007, 05:41 AM
"Don't follow leaders, and watch yer parkin' meters!"

If you don't want to follow leaders, then Ron Paul is your candidate; he is the least of a dictator of all of them.

And compare who promotes love and who promotes fear. Al Gore's message about global warming looks like a serious and important issue on the surface, but it's actually a fear-based message.

freedomnonfighter
24-08-2007, 05:48 AM
No I certainly agree with you on that.

I'm simply torn on the issue. I find it way too 'convenient'

I can see how it's just natural for someone to assume the role he's assumed, given the obvious escalation and in-plain-sight-ness of tyranny.
But I also see how that role can be manipulated into existence, or taken control of.

Not that he has the slightest chance at actually becoming president anyway...

But hey, if he's waking people up to everything that's going on within our so-called government...

Let's just say I'm taking it all with a massive amount of Salt.. it's still working it's way down ;)

Anders Lindman
24-08-2007, 06:05 AM
I'm simply torn on the issue. I find it way too 'convenient'


With Ron Paul in power, there is a grave danger that business interests will take over completely, that money will be able to buy almost everything, including all land, that only people with money will get health care and education, the more money, the better health care and education.

So yes, it will be convenient for you, IF you have a lot of money.

cruise4
24-08-2007, 09:26 AM
It would be a nice change to be able to buy land. At the moment you only think you do!

Sometimes an improvement is an improvement.

thirdwave
24-08-2007, 09:47 AM
Look guys, no offence guys. I mean, I like hearing Ron Paul speak. But, doesn't it just seem funny, that right when we would need some one like this, they just show up out of no where?


I just don't buy the whole thing, you know.

mmm a little pessimistic.... is this not meant to be the time where people who can make a difference show up???

(don't really know much about the guy, just saying)

Anders Lindman
24-08-2007, 10:15 AM
It would be a nice change to be able to buy land. At the moment you only think you do!

Sometimes an improvement is an improvement.

Yeah, but the American people will have to be prepared for rich foreigners and big multinational corporations buying up all their land.

dondaz
24-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Ron Paul selling off land to big business if he gets elected?

I don't think he's like that.

I understand certain concerns but RP has been trying for the presidency for decades. He hasn't just came out of nowhere and jumped on the wagon. He's been trying to do right for his country for yonks.

Another good vid chris. keep them coming!

chris
24-08-2007, 12:11 PM
With Ron Paul in power, there is a grave danger that business interests will take over completely, that money will be able to buy almost everything, including all land, that only people with money will get health care and education, the more money, the better health care and education.

So yes, it will be convenient for you, IF you have a lot of money.

Ron Paul may be a libertarian but he's not stupid...

He'll be a true president and work with the congress...These congressmen wouldn't have major ties to the kinds of businesses he will open up to land. With everything he will just try and set a good example and let the country detox as slowly as possible...He's not like Chavez, he will just set things up for future presidents to follow and for the people to be educated enough to elect a decent successor...Still his presidency (left alone) would have dramatic effects on the poor and middle classes well being.

tron
24-08-2007, 12:22 PM
Wasn't the 3rd antichrist meant to be someone that everyone trusted, going by prophecy? I'm not too clued up on the whole prophecy issue but as far I was aware George W Bush isn't very well trusted and neither are Blair/Brown/Cameron. Would it not be convenient to have a world leader that 'exposes' everything and makes changes for the 'better'? I'm not saying this is the case, just food for thought...

Love and Peace,

C
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h1s_l0rdsh1p
24-08-2007, 12:23 PM
Does he have any ties with China?

sentient
24-08-2007, 12:48 PM
I like him for the most part, but he's still very conservative -- pro-life and against gay marriage. I suspect, if he were to actually make it to office, that it'll be another Kennedy/Lincoln.

I don't agree with having government like we do, anyway. Sure, defending the Constitution is true patriotism, but I think we need to create a new set of statements that demonstrate our rights and freedoms. Also, I think America should be renamed (cos honestly, I'm sick of it). Overall, I think we need to have various elder councils of which many of us would form. Councils that are not unapproachable for guidance, solutions, etc. They wouldn't be about heirarchy or authority, but about wisdom and truth. It's something I think is very possible and plausible, although probably not until way after 2012.

I don't know how anyone else feels, but intuitively I feel that all the darkness and chaos around us is just an over-dramatisation to keep the Illuminati and their control alive one more day. As Icke says, it's in its death throes. Great times are ahead of us, and in those great times will come immense change. The abolition of heirarchical government, the disposal of all narcotics while free health care for addicts is given immediately, the end of the Federal Reserve, the transmuting of all perversions of mystic practices to the positive, psychiatry will become obselete, and so on.

How many of you have an intuitive calling for something very important to what's going on? See my post on awareness centers (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8036). I think this is a great start for helping everyone understand the nature of reality and the power of consciousness.

Anyway, Ron Paul would be the only candidate I'd vote for (if voting mattered), but in the end the system is flawed and needs to be removed.

Anders Lindman
24-08-2007, 12:52 PM
Anyway, Ron Paul would be the only candidate I'd vote for (if voting mattered), but in the end the system is flawed and needs to be removed.

Voting may not matter. Or it may. We cannot only look at the past to predict the future.

dondaz
24-08-2007, 01:15 PM
Overall, I think we need to have various elder councils of which many of us would form. Councils that are not unapproachable for guidance, solutions, etc. They wouldn't be about heirarchy or authority, but about wisdom and truth.

Interesting idea Sentient, as long as it is done openly and publically!

kblood
24-08-2007, 02:27 PM
Is he actually running for president?

chicken_little
24-08-2007, 03:20 PM
Look guys, no offence guys. I mean, I like hearing Ron Paul speak. But, doesn't it just seem funny, that right when we would need some one like this, they just show up out of no where?


I just don't buy the whole thing, you know.

Ron Paul hasn't just shown up. He's serving his 10th term in Congress right now. He ran for president in 1988. He has a very long track record that is quite consistent with what he is saying in his campaign.

I do know what you mean though. He seems too good to be true given the circumstances the country is dealing with right now. But given his stance and views on many important topics these days, he probably felt very strongly that he needed to give a campaign a try.

I really wish he'd run as an independent. If he is shooting for the republicrat nomination, he's never going to get it even if he actually gets 100% of the people's votes...the stupid politicians will have the final say and probably choose someone who fits their ideal mold better.