Raw Food Leaders, have they sold out??

[kiwimaj]

I have recently come to notice certain things with regards to certain raw food leaders/celebs..Shazzie, David Wolfe & Phillip McClusky, in particular.

Intersting to note, all the top celebs in the raw food world are..Jewish.. David Wolfe, Laura Fox, Gabriel Cousins, Juliano, and I believe Matt Monarch, also.

I will start with Shazzie, a quote from Shazzie's web site..

Change we need, change indeed.

This is not just a political game, this one of the biggest world-altering events ever. As long as the Reptilians don’t rig the votes again, we will witness a huge shift in humanity’s trust and love. This has all been spurred on by the recent global rise in consciousness.

We now see the proof that we have grown beyond our boxes, preconceptions and left-brained beliefs. We are about to witness the world through our inner eyes. Are you ready for the ride?

Personally, I can’t even believe John and Sarah Palin are real people, maybe because they aren’t. How many women who are seven months pregnant look like this? And John is in serious need of a detox, unless that is latex skin on his face, hiding George W underneath? Backing Barack is actually the only sane choice for Americans and the world.

As banks collapse, due to money not actually being real, the power of the few is slipping away. Now is the time for real power, the power in our hearts, to shine brighter than ever. White patriarchal damaged-left-brain rule is over. This world is ours again, let’s love it (and ourselves) back to life.

Barack Obama is a loveworker. Get him in.
:eek:

http://doxtor.wordpress.com/tag/barack-obama/

In the raw food world, my biggest inspiration by far is my Naked Chocolate co-author and wonderful friend David Wolfe. I love everything about him, he's a perfect example of someone who is in constant flow. When I was pregnant with Evie, we visited Uri Geller at his home. I was blown away by this man, too. He's another great inspiration. If you get chance to meet him, then do. I love hanging out with people who are divinely inspired. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

http://www.shazzie.com/graphics/dave_shaz_uri.jpg

Here are a few pictures..Notice the "t-pot" arm which so many models pose seem to strike (pyramid).

http://doxtor.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/shazzie_philipmccluskey.jpghttp://www.librarything.com/userpics/shazzie-big.jpg

Check out the photoshopped piccie of her below..

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://doxtor.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/shazzie_ny.jpg&imgrefurl=http://doxtor.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/licking-the-big-apple/&usg=__X30Hao-zxvYOLbeqQexDT1U3S1c=&h=267&w=400&sz=66&hl=en&start=20&sig2=VkicDwsBBhguFb7ZnapX_w&um=1&tbnid=VkVQFPJDezSOJM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshazzie%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3D N%26start%3D18%26um%3D1&ei=nRq1SrehNdTKjAfz_oGwDA


Even though I am a staunch raw food supporter, it seems to me the top bods seem to have 'sold out'. I us to be a big fan of Phillip McClusky, but lately I get a very negative vibe from him, he no longer feels authentic to me. Notice the vid below, at point 9.18 where he flashes the inverted pyramid sign with his fingers and I have noticed a few other shots of him have those finger signs also. He has been on various American TV shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HidehB5uyQ&feature=PlayList&p=C35BAEDEAA684744&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

(note the comments below from sweetpeace and rawsquirrel)

Notice all the hand signs and the reptillian tongue, in the first shot from one of his raw parties..

http://www.lovingraw.com/event-pics-09/

The first shot below on his website SURELY these people who claim to be so enlightened and want to help so much of humanity through food and consciousness, would not stoop to such things? It seems to me they now are just tools of the PTB.

David Wolfe is a know plaigarist and yet Shazzie and so many other raw food 'elite' regard him as a god almost..

The cover of one of his books

http://www.goddessgumbo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/book_eatingforbeauty2.jpg

Here is a quote regarding the supposid plaigarism he stooped to..

There has lately been circulating a rumour in the raw community that the book "Nature's First Law" by Stephen Arlin, Fouad Dini & David Wolfe is
nothing but a plagiarized version of "Raw Food Eating" an out of print book
by the Iranian author Arshavir Ter Hovannessian written almost 40 years
ago. With a little help from my friends I got the chance to compare the two
books, and I can now conclude that the rumour is true. From glancing
through "Raw Eating" it seems that virtually each chapter has been lifted
with some re-wordings or added paragraphs dispersed in between and
transcribed into what is now "Nature's First Law."

A very interesting article which goes into some depth between the almost identical wording from the original book to the one Mr Wolfe "penned".

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html

Just like his good mate, Uri, they seem to have far more in common that first thought..If anyone is good mates with the sickening con artist, uri geller, alarm bells start ringing...IMO.

To sum up, I would firstly like to say I am in no way hating these people, just pointing out stuff I have noticed, which I find unsettling, especially since being a member of this forum and how my eyes have opened. I just find it so dissappointing that these people that I thought were so enlightened, seemingly, are just showing themselves up to be tools of the agenda...but...they do impart so many important messages re. raw food and higher consciousness, which IMO, still stands as extremely important.

I would welcome other's views on this.

[gaias child]

Brilliant post, thankyou for posting. I've posted on this subject before too. But it didn't get much interest, I'm so glad you have noticed too. I don't hate them either, I just think they have been sucked into the system.

I'e been interested in raw foods for many years over 20 years, but now it has just become about a load of supplements, and expensive superfoods that are processed and come from halfway round the world ie wild goji berries which are probably not wild nor organic, anyway. When I had some tested they had sulfites on them. Oh and of course chocolate and even more chocolate. They don't mention real food like fruit vegetables and seeds and nuts any more.

Also most supplement companies are owned by pharmaceutical companies. 70% to be exactI

David Wolfe used to have an illuminati eye sign on the natures first law website before he changed the name to sunfood.com



Uri Geller , he needs a thread of his own but he is definitely not what he seems, he has secret service cia and mossad background and specialises in being friends with celebrities just before they die ie john lennon , ie john lennon gave uri and magic egg that looked like abullet and John said thought it might be a message that his time was up on the planet sohe gave it to Uri Geller.

Michael jackson was also friend with him who he set up with Martin Bashir. Mchael had a list of people he thought were out to harm him, ie sony boss, tom sneddon and uri geller as well as a few others. Mj spoke healing the world through love and unity like John Lennon. Uri also did a design for Michael Jackson invincible album and it is full of illluminati symbols ie pyramid with bulb on top, eye of horus, energy vortex, and star of david and loads more, one of the symbols I was told meant death of physical body. Seriously this stuff is creepy.

Funny how david wolfe and shazzie went downhill into chocolate and supplements and not real raw natural foods after they met Uri Geller, I don't think this is a conicidence.

I don't know how to upload Uri's MJ designs but they are on this link if you scroll down. also mention of israel and and US on one of them.

http://site.uri-geller.com/mj

[gaias child]

BTW How do you know David Wolfe is jewish I thought he was an essene priest the same with Gabriel Cousens?

What do these particular symbols mean such as the stars in shazzie eyes, is it the star of david, and the picture of half a face and one eye, is that all seeing eye or eye of horus or another meaning

Also what does the hand symbol mean that is an inverted pyramid. Thanks

I'm not too sure of exact meaning of many symbols

[kiwimaj]

Hi gaias child

Great to get your reply ! :)

I am SO pleased I am not the only one who has noticed these things !

Brilliant post, thankyou for posting. I've posted on this subject before too. But it didn't get much interest, I'm so glad you have noticed too. I don't hate them either, I just think they have been sucked into the system.

Thank you ! Looking back I should have renamed the title as Raw Food Leaders..Now truly Authentic?

I'e been interested in raw foods for many years over 20 years, but now it has just become about a load of supplements, and expensive superfoods that are processed and come from halfway round the world ie wild goji berries which are probably not wild nor organic, anyway. When I had some tested they had sulfites on them. Oh and of course chocolate and even more chocolate. They don't mention real food like fruit vegetables and seeds and nuts any more.

I agree ! I was at a vegan fair recently and was in on the Saf demo (vegan restaurant here in London) and the chef, even though, very talented, had cashews and all sorts of other very expensive ingredients that paid no attention to any carben footprint. Why aren't more prominent raw foodies brandishing the flag of LOCAL and in season, raw veges and fruits..? I believe macrobiotics is about local..Almost all the top raw figureheads promote expensive foreign supplements, glad you have picked up on this, as I have. No surprise with the gojis...how many people know you can grow them in your garden, even in the UK, instead of importing from China?..hmm..now let me see...maybe it might affect their...PROFITS?? :rolleyes:

Also most supplement companies are owned by pharmaceutical companies. 70% to be exact

No surprise there !

David Wolfe used to have an illuminati eye sign on the natures first law website before he changed the name to sunfood.com

Really?? Well, not so surprising...:rolleyes:



Uri Geller , he needs a thread of his own but he is definitely not what he seems, he has secret service cia and mossad background and specialises in being friends with celebrities just before they die ie john lennon , ie john lennon gave uri and magic egg that looked like abullet and John said thought it might be a message that his time was up on the planet sohe gave it to Uri Geller.

Michael jackson was also friend with him who he set up with Martin Bashir. Mchael had a list of people he thought were out to harm him, ie sony boss, tom sneddon and uri geller as well as a few others. Mj spoke healing the world through love and unity like John Lennon. Uri also did a design for Michael Jackson invincible album and it is full of illluminati symbols ie pyramid with bulb on top, eye of horus, energy vortex, and star of david and loads more, one of the symbols I was told meant death of physical body. Seriously this stuff is creepy.

Wow, didn't know all that about our mate Uri...but again, no surprise. I wonder how Shazzie got in with Mr Wolfe in the first place...and why did she go and visit him when pregnant??...It really seems like they are in the same 'club' :mad: I cannot believe Shazzie, of all people, would promote Obama and be mates with that person Geller, and I really thought Shazzie was so enlightened. It makes me wonder how the likes of David Wolfe and others in the raw movement have become so popular and wealthy, why they haven't been knocked off considering the words they preach about raw and against the pharma industries and the powers that be etc..:rolleyes:

Funny how david wolfe and shazzie went downhill into chocolate and supplements and not real raw natural foods after they met Uri Geller, I don't think this is a conicidence.

Either do I...If you think about it, if you promote growing your own and only consuming what you grow, or at least the local farmers market, eating only what is in season and non-processed...what sort of profit would the likes of Shaz and Mr Wolfe make?...;)

I don't know how to upload Uri's MJ designs but they are on this link if you scroll down. also mention of israel and and US on one of them.

http://site.uri-geller.com/mj

I will check it out !

:)

[kiwimaj]

BTW How do you know David Wolfe is jewish I thought he was an essene priest the same with Gabriel Cousens?

I believe Mr Wolfe and the other names I have mentioned are Jewish by birth, remember, with other religions, their nationality comes first, religion after...with the Jewish faith, they are Jewish first...nationality, second..Whatever religion they now have adopted, they are born Jewish, so they have a 'connection'...re. Mr Geller...:rolleyes:

What do these particular symbols mean such as the stars in shazzie eyes, is it the star of david, and the picture of half a face and one eye, is that all seeing eye or eye of horus or another meaning

The stars in Shazzie's eyes is the 5 pointed star...here is a great link that explains things..

http://chriswillard.multiply.com/journal/item/335/Satanic_symbols_and_their_meaning

I noticed Shazzie has used the 5 pointed star before, in her mail outs..but never really clicked, until recently. She is also a fan of Russel Brand, whom I feel is a very dark person...:(

Also what does the hand symbol mean that is an inverted pyramid. Thanks

I'm not too sure of exact meaning of many symbols

I hope the above web site clarifies things.

It is really getting on my nerves how the media is using these signs, so blatantly, so in our face and so sly-ly...it's truly sickening and so many in the media are doing it, but the question is, are they doing it knowlingly..? Hmmm...that is the question...

Not all of the raw 'celebs' are in the club, I feel. Take the Giannis (Kevin and Ann-Marie) and Angela and Matt Monarch, I feel they are still authentic, though the Monarchs stock a huge range of non-local raw products, but I know they are very careful in what they stock and where it comes from..I am not a fan of Karen Knowler, I sense she is in it for the money.

I think alot of us want figureheads that are truly authentic and that is why the raw movement is appealing, but I am totally in favour of encouraging self sufficiency in all its forms and not relying on expensive, processed, not truly knowing where it came from, crap..raw or not !

My 2 cents ! :D

Thanx again gaias child for your great reply :)

Blessings !
:D

[linda28]

I totally agree with that this new super food trend has become big business.
I've been a costumer of this alternative shop here where I live for like some years, and even though I love it because they got many great things for a health conscious person - I always felt uncomfortable there because of some reason. I started to feel it was some demonic energy there because the sellers, the people that work there, they always get in my face the minute I walk in, and want me to buy everything. I can not walk alone and think and read about their products. Don't you just hate that?

So, they usually make their costumers buy things for, not a normal amount of money that you'd usually spend when shopping - no, they do ALL they can to sell you products that will make you pay hundreds of dollars.
How do they do that? Well this is totally crazy and I can't believe I actually bought into this silly stuff some while ago - they use this pendulum and claim to read your energy and KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PRODUCTS YOU NEED. They pretend to meditate for some seconds and then they go and get 5-10 products from their store because they claim that YOU NEED THEM.
I asked them before - how can you say I NEED this and that vitamin without having taken a blood test of me , and they just get upset and say that's what they do - they "log on" to your system and just KNOW. Yeah right.

What sucks with that is that many people, costumers, believe this so they might not actually get the vitamins and foods that their body truly needs and is lacking. And also, many people there are often in a little despair, so they will put their trust in someone they think know health food.

So another demonic thing is this store got some very expensive gemstones necklaces. Imported from a company, Gemisphere, in Portland Oregon. They sell them for like 4 times the price it costs in Oregon. And they often claim the pendulum shows you need this and that necklace. Total nonsense.

So this company, Gemisphere, they have published several books, this is what this thread made me think about - the books contain "channeled information", done by the manager of the company - and he claims to talk with these spirits that tell him that his gemstones are the best and everything else is worthless. Totally demonic thing - it reminds me of Neale Donald Walsh who claims he talks with God and God says "you can do everything you want, don't worry."

So anyway, this Gemisphere company, yes they have good quality on their new age products, but the marketing is bullshit and a big part of the new age agenda.

It's important for people to read and get informed in their own.

[motleyhoo]

It's important for people to read and get informed in their own.

Yep, this is key. There are definitely more and more companies springing up that are in it only for the money. You really have to do your homework and research the companies whose products you buy. If everyone did this, then the bad companies would either straighten up or go out of business.

.

[gaias child]

Hi kiwimaj, thanks for the reply and info, it is a relief to not be only one to be seeing things don't seem quite right with raw food gurus.

believe Mr Wolfe and the other names I have mentioned are Jewish by birth, remember, with other religions, their nationality comes first, religion after...with the Jewish faith, they are Jewish first...nationality, second..Whatever religion they now have adopted, they are born Jewish, so they have a 'connection'...re. Mr Geller...



I did a little search on Gabriel Cousens and I realised he does refer to himself as rabbi, I never noticed before so thankyou for bringint it to my attention. Also on gitmr forum it seemed well known that he was jewish.

I also did a little search on david wolfe and I found a thread where a post who knew him personally said he was jewish and only employed jewish people

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5900&start=15

The stars in Shazzie's eyes is the 5 pointed star...here is a great link that explains things..

http://chriswillard.multiply.com/jou..._their_meaning

I noticed Shazzie has used the 5 pointed star before, in her mail outs..but never really clicked, until recently. She is also a fan of Russel Brand, whom I feel is a very dark person...



Thank you for the link and the information, I do feel a little disconcerted by this but not really surprised. I did hear from some one on another forum a year or so ago that david wolfe had some powerful business man that owned/controlled him. I wonder if these people have been brainwashed in someway to suit tptb purposes. I expect Uri who has worked for secret services and is a multi millionaire which I'm sure wasn't achieved by doing fraudulent tricks, he also does do hypnosis.

think alot of us want figureheads that are truly authentic and that is why the raw movement is appealing, but I am totally in favour of encouraging self sufficiency in all its forms and not relying on expensive, processed, not truly knowing where it came from, crap..raw or not !

My 2 cents !



I agree 100%

[astofoetida]

What I'd like to know is why are they using these symbols? Is there some one controlling this, have they been brainwashed or do they really not know what they mean.

There are just too many to be coincidental.

ow, didn't know all that about our mate Uri...but again, no surprise. I wonder how Shazzie got in with Mr Wolfe in the first place...and why did she go and visit him when pregnant??...It really seems like they are in the same 'club' I cannot believe Shazzie, of all people, would promote Obama and be mates with that person Geller, and I really thought Shazzie was so enlightened. It makes me wonder how the likes of David Wolfe and others in the raw movement have become so popular and wealthy, why they haven't been knocked off considering the words they preach about raw and against the pharma industries and the powers that be etc..


Shazzie met David Wolfe, when she worked at fresh network, and david and others used to do talks at the summer and christmas party's the fresh network held.

They also had a brief fling which is why david helped shazzie get her business off in the UK, she also stole the customer list of fresh network which is why her and Karen Knowler fell out.

I think David and Shazzie remained friends after their fling the year Shazzie went on tour with david to promote her book detox your world and went to hawaii , that was the year they discovered cacao 2003. But another raw foodist Jeremy Safron introduced them to cacao but had it tested and he said it wasn't really safe to promote as a raw food as it has certain substnaces that are not good for the health methylxanines, and other substances I can't remember the names of not caffeine or theobromine though they are ok compared tothese other substances. These chemicals will also affect spiritual connections not postively though. They will block true spiritual connection. No animal in the wild will touch raw cacao, the ancients used to eat the fruit not the seed. However this didn't stop David, he just saw $$$$$ signs, so basically stole the idea anyway.

This was all around the time they met Uri Geller as well, maybe he hypnotised or mind manipulated them. I think tptb brainwash the people they want to be their puppets. David Wolfe was great at one time,he sold raw food, proper raw food,ie before superfoods he was really on it, later he did superfoods and had everyone hanging on his every word as if they were hypnotised, I went to some of his talks, he was great,he could sell anything.

[mark1963]

They know the symbols and many of these are sigils which are meant to influence us psychically and make us feel a certain way. All, the symbols you see McD's, CBS, etc are the same. Sigils are not demonic but they do cut through the matrix we live in and are used extensively in magick.

I am a raw foodie and did not know about any of this stuff. I only read on raw food sites very occasionally. Once you know, you know right.

I am not anti-semitic as many people of jewish faith are normal and generally are nice people, but, just lately, every veil that is lifted - media, music, tv, films etc appears to have a strong jewish (zionist?) slant.

I truly believe that the adulteration of food not just by chemicals but also by processing, not just makes you fat and ill but does something bad to your psyche. I am not entirely sure by what I mean by that but my intuition is telling me that.

[gaias child]

I left a comment on the philip McClusky youtube asking the poster raw squirrel what the inverted pyramid sign meant as she mentioned it and it has been deleted.

This is really getting on my nerves, why has it been deleted it is only a question not an accusation.!!!

I' m going to post it again

[kiwimaj]

I left a comment on the philip McClusky youtube asking the poster raw squirrel what the inverted pyramid sign meant as she mentioned it and it has been deleted.

This is really getting on my nerves, why has it been deleted it is only a question not an accusation.!!!

I' m going to post it again

Hi gaias child

It's me, rawsquirrel !!

Hope u got my comments...

So OUT OF ORDER your comments were deleted, what are they trying to hide?? :mad: am mailing you next few days with my reponses...good to see we aren't all sheep with regards to people in the public eye !

In the meantime, just google "v sign, satanic", I am sure you will be more than intrigued !!

Kiwi/rawsquirrel

:)

[gaias child]

Hi gaias child

It's me, rawsquirrel !!

Hope u got my comments...

So OUT OF ORDER your comments were deleted, what are they trying to hide?? :mad: am mailing you next few days with my reponses...good to see we aren't all sheep with regards to people in the public eye !

In the meantime, just google "v sign, satanic", I am sure you will be more than intrigued !!

Kiwi/rawsquirrel

:)

Hi there,

I got your comment this morning.

Thanks for the info, I've done a google search with the words you said to use and got some interesting results.

Thank you

[mightiswrong]

I would think Philip is using the sign in the popular meaning as the peace sign and would have deleted the question to prevent other readers becoming doubtful about his integrity leading them into a state of distrust. He has Anastasia as the first book on his books page and she very much encourages eating fresh loving food from ones garden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorr9PsRWgM

[gaias child]

I'm not sure what the inverted pyramid means but I don't think is a peace sign, although philip had the peace sign on his shirt, the peace sign is supposed to have the arms going upwards like the tree of life, if it is downwards it symbolises something else ie a cross upside down with arms broken, this ancient sign now known as peace sign was originally known as the Cross of Nero.

Many people are not aware of the origins of this symbol or how it became to symbolize peace. This is the cross of Nero, a broken and inverted cross, enclosed in a circle which represents Nero's vision. Nero believed that there would be world peace without Christianity, thousands of Christians were sacrficed under the rule of Nero. This is what the "peace symbol" represents regardless of it is believed to mean.



http://www.nazarite.net/evil-symbols.html


If you understand the New Age also is also being controlled by the system as david icke says here in this clip how they are being played like a violin, and how New agers or gurus say to avoid anything negative, but this plays right into their hands , it is not negative to point out what is, it simply is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z85AG-64J8o&feature=player_embedded

[mightiswrong]

LOL. Maybe he is secretly a frog hater and was directing the v sign at any French or Germans watching the video.

Rude English hand sign that derives from the middle ages. During the 100 years war the French would cut off the middle and index fingers of any English bowman so as they could never shoot again. The English would taunt the French by showing their fingers, so as to say "I can still shoot you Frog!" although todays meaning is more or less "fuck off you twat.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=V%20Sign


If you understand the New Age also is also being controlled by the system as david icke says here in this clip how they are being played like a violin, and how New agers or gurus say to avoid anything negative, but this plays right into their hands , it is not negative to point out what is, it simply is.

Yes but that is a broad generalisation. Isn't it dogmatic to pigeonhole people? Are you saying that raw food is a 'new age' concept?

Eating raw food is nothing new and not everyone is controlled by the system. Indeed raw food can be eaten and proven to be healthier by oneself so you need not rely on anyone elses word.

[gaias child]

Yes but that is a broad generalisation. Isn't it dogmatic to pigeonhole people? Are you saying that raw food is a 'new age' concept?

Eating raw food is nothing new and not everyone is controlled by the system. Indeed raw food can be eaten and proven to be healthier by oneself so you need not rely on anyone elses word.

I think raw food is great, so I'm not pigeon holing anything I've eaten 80-100% raw food most of my adult life but now I prefer to include small amounts of local cooked foods rather than processed superfoods, imported and tampered with nothing natural about that. ie I think it is more in harmony with the earth and one's body and is healthier to eat whole cooked rice and believe it is better for you than say a rice protein which is an isolated tampered with and has other essential elements removed ie a raw protein powder will imbalance your body in the long run. Raw hemp or rice protein powder is not exactly raw either. Processing involves heat, even when it is called raw.

Everyone is actually controlled/manipulated/brainwashed by the system and those who think they aren't are probably controlled the most, the sooner we are aware of that, then the less likely we are to be manipulated.

This thread was not started by me but by someone who noticed these particular symbols, I did not know about these myself so have been curious to know more as I am aware that the symbols are something TPTB use, and the one I find the most curious are the ones the stars in shazzies eyes. I am not certain why they are being used but It is difficult to ignore, but by all means deny it if you like, you are free to have your opinion. They are used on all logos of large corporate companies like pepsi coca cola, vodaphone, cbs etc also the music industry and entertainment industry and advertising uses them

This is a website which show some symbols tptb use to affect our consciousness

http://www.magicmerkabahangel.com/goldenmean14.html

The knowledge of the Merkabah is being used in our society to control us. We are constantly bombarded with images, sounds and colours keyed to the Golden Mean to influence our consciousness, and to encourage us to hand over our power to the few who feed off of us financially.

This is the picture found on the Dollar Bill.

The word "Mason" is found by drawing a hexagram.

[gaias child]

LOL. Maybe he is secretly a frog hater and was directing the v sign at any French or Germans watching the video

Ummm no I don't think so. Anyway I found out what it means now, I noticed a lot of celebs and media and music people using this inverted pyramid sign, haven't you noticed, and it really is just a way of communicating, I am owned and controlled by tptb and media and is used to communicate that, it isn't used too look cool.

Also regarding new age being played like a violin,I was referring to being perplexed at finding out Deepak Chopra is in illuminati club of rome, a global political think tank that supports population control, along with likes of people like kissinger, and rockerfella, people that wreck and destroy human life and the planet.

http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/club-of-rome-the-first-global-revolution/

Deepak is just a media stooge, I guess that is why he is regarded at the head of the spiritual new age movement, by the media. I wonder whether his media employers decided that

His book publishers random house are owned by media corporation Bertalsmann. who also own music corporation and also the bertelsmann foundation a political think tank which is owned by illuminati Mohn family,.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_House

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann

I have realised things are far from what they seem in the alternative movement and media and are also being controlled by tptb

[mightiswrong]

Ummm no I don't think so. Anyway I found out what it means now, I noticed a lot of celebs and media and music people using this inverted pyramid sign, haven't you noticed, and it really is just a way of communicating, I am owned and controlled by tptb and media and is used to communicate that, it isn't used too look cool.

Much more likely that they are trying to look cool although failing miserably imo.


I have realised things are far from what they seem in the alternative movement and media and are also being controlled by tptb

Ah yes. Maybe they want you to believe that they are all poweful and impossible to defeat? A very healthy belief... aka 1984. "how many fingers am I holding up?" AH... HA HA HA. But I digress.

The earth can be turned into a paradise one garden at a time. So shall it be.

[gaias child]

Much more likely that they are trying to look cool although failing miserably imo.



You obviously haven't done any research into symbolism and subliminal messaging and how it permeates every part of society from adverts, logos, music and entertainment industry including to children's cartoons and how they affect conciousness and awareness. Check out the links, or indeed the thread on this forum on symbolism and subliminal messaging and how they affect consciousness, the inverted pyramid symbol is mentioned on many posts in that thread.

Ah yes. Maybe they want you to believe that they are all poweful and impossible to defeat? A very healthy belief... aka 1984. "how many fingers am I holding up?" AH... HA HA HA. But I digress

Awareness and Consciousness of how these people work is what weakens them. The more people who become aware the quicker they will be weakened. Once you can see beyond the veil and the illusion that is, you realise there is nothing to fear.

The earth can be turned into a paradise one garden at a time. So shall it be.
__________________


I agree, but a mixture of awareness and consciousness of how our world is being controlled is essential in enough numbers for this to come to fruition.

The only thing that can stop the NWO is the awareness of the truth. The PTB have ALWAYS suppressed the truth. The truth will destroy THEM. The PTB are masters of deception, and the best of the best at hiding the information from us ALL. They are masters at mind manipulation

70% -80% of all supplements are owned by pharmaceutical companies, solgar was first owned by pharmaceutical in 1996 so it is not new, even though I only realised a year or so ago, most are crap synthetic ones that actually do harm to your body, and cause more deficiencies than they resolve,now it looks as though they have even got through to raw fooders too, to my dismay, the symbols are blatant so they are not even hiding it, I already was suspicious of so called foods like cacao that are really not much more than addictive drugs, that also affect consciousness, and is not a health food as it has undesirable substances that make many raw food people ill. The chemical PEA also the love chemical actually blocks your ability to send/receive love from the divine and blocks spiritual connectedness like most drugs..

Check out this link onto the research done into raw cacao and explains it is one of the most addictive substances that exists.

http://files.meetup.com/306489/Is%20Raw%20Cacao%20a%20Superfood%20or%20Harmful%20 Stimulant.pdf

The spiritual books written by Deepak also published by random house owned by bertalsmen (links in my other post) global media company owned by illuminati family who also run a political think tank.

This may seem trivial compared to other stuff tptb are doing, like codex,vaccines, chemtrails, orchestrating the war in the middle east, and dumping depleted uranium on children, and destruction of the rainforests, but it is essential to be aware of it.

The truth is leaking out further now, in every direction, they can't stop it, and their tactics are failing we have a huge chance to spread info and weaken the NWO agenda more than ever.

[mightiswrong]

I am well aware of symbolism but see no evidence that these people are making the V sign in the way you suggest. I know lots of people love to do these things when they are getting photographed. Quite normal.

70% -80% of all supplements are owned by pharmaceutical companies, solgar was first owned by pharmaceutical in 1996 so it is not new, even though I only realised a year or so ago, most are crap synthetic ones that actually do harm to your body, and cause more deficiencies than they resolve,now it looks as though they have even got through to raw fooders too, to my dismay, the symbols are blatant so they are not even hiding it, I already was suspicious of so called foods like cacao that are really not much more than addictive drugs, that also affect consciousness, and is not a health food as it has undesirable substances that make many raw food people ill. The chemical PEA also the love chemical actually blocks your ability to send/receive love from the divine and blocks spiritual connectedness like most drugs..

Now there is some information that can be taken seriousely. Maybe more people would read it if they hadn't clicked the back button at the mention of the evil "inverted pyramid sign".

I agree, but a mixture of awareness and consciousness of how our world is being controlled by NWO is essential in enough numbers if this is ever to come to fruition.

The only thing that can stop the NWO is the awareness of the truth. The PTB have ALWAYS suppressed the truth. The truth will destroy THEM. The PTB are masters of deception, and the best of the best at hiding the information from us ALL. They are masters at mind manipulation

There is information and then there is knowledge. Why don't you tell us about your knowledge of the effects of eating homegrown food?

[gaias child]

They know the symbols and many of these are sigils which are meant to influence us psychically and make us feel a certain way. All, the symbols you see McD's, CBS, etc are the same. Sigils are not demonic but they do cut through the matrix we live in and are used extensively in magick.

I am a raw foodie and did not know about any of this stuff. I only read on raw food sites very occasionally. Once you know, you know right.

I am not anti-semitic as many people of jewish faith are normal and generally are nice people, but, just lately, every veil that is lifted - media, music, tv, films etc appears to have a strong jewish (zionist?) slant.

I truly believe that the adulteration of food not just by chemicals but also by processing, not just makes you fat and ill but does something bad to your psyche. I am not entirely sure by what I mean by that but my intuition is telling me that.

Thank you for your post. I did not see it until just now, I must have missed it.

I didn't know about symbolism in raw food either until this thread.

I'm not anti semitic either but is interesting that there is a strong jewish slant in the powers behind the media music entertainment etc, and people like rockerfella, rothschild and kissinger.

There is also a group called jews against zionists.

[gaias child]

I am well aware of symbolism but see no evidence that these people are making the V sign in the way you suggest. I know lots of people love to do these things when they are getting photographed. Quite normal.



I did not suggest anything about this inverted pyramid , I'm the one that was asking questions on what the inverted pyramid meant. Did you read the thread? I have found out the answer now. Thank you.

What is you understanding of symbolism then,I'm curious?

Now there is some information that can be taken seriousely. Maybe more people would read it if they hadn't clicked the back button at the mention of the evil "inverted pyramid sign".



I didn't refer to it as "evil", perhaps you could read my posts carefully again and show me where that is, because I did not use the word evil to refer to any symbol, as I did not know what they meant. I referred to them as illuminati symbols which many researchers and people who know more than I do believe them to be, so that is what I recognise them to be ,like a pyramid sign etc. You are reading things into posts that aren't there.

[There is information and then there is knowledge. Why don't you tell us about your knowledge of the effects of eating homegrown food?


Homegrown or local grown is something that is more essential than ever for health of human race in the future and it is also important people collect as many seeds as possible now because in the future Monsanto are seeking to own all seeds make them all GM, also organic standards are being and have been diluted.

Most of the food I eat is locally grown. there is a problem though with not enough food on the planet to feed everyone due to tptb destruction of planet and rainforests, so I make ethical choices as far as I can with food.

[kiwimaj]

I am well aware of symbolism but see no evidence that these people are making the V sign in the way you suggest. I know lots of people love to do these things when they are getting photographed. Quite normal.

..but are they fully aware of why they are doing it? Do they just think it means...peace?


s information and then there is knowledge. Why don't you tell us about your knowledge of the effects of eating homegrown food?

There is PLENTY of info out there on natural, home grown, LOCAL fruit, veges, nuts and seeds. I am a great believer if you are a raw vegan, the more natural and LOCAL the better. Too many people in the raw business seem to be promoting alot of foreign, processed, 'raw' food.

If you are eating out of your back yard, no worries about carbon footprint or air miles AND you know EXACTLY where it has come from. A jar of hempini, cacao beans, himilayan crystal salt, cashew nuts..etc..may be techincally raw, but certainly not local (if you say, live in London) and you simply do not know for sure if it is even raw !

I think there seems to be those within the raw movement who are realising that they just want to get back to what is truly natural and local, hence the rise in people wanting allotments and more and more people growing their own, from their apartment/flat window, or their tiny concreted space out back they call their garden :)

[fuggles]

Let me share my opinion on 'Shazzie'.

She is an egotistical, arrogant, self indulgent, obnoxious, hateful woman. She believes she is superior to the many people below her, she has serious attitude problems and lots of unresolved emotional problems that radiate from her strongly. She justifies everything she does 'because the cacao god' tells her to, so it must be okay to rip people off, lie and cheat.

However, I like the raw food community, I buy some 'exotic' foods they sell because I think its nice to try new foods and think it is a good movement in general. They also provide lots of cutting edge information about health, so I hope they get stronger.

[kiwimaj]

Let me share my opinion on 'Shazzie'.

She is an egotistical, arrogant, self indulgent, obnoxious, hateful woman. She believes she is superior to the many people below her, she has serious attitude problems and lots of unresolved emotional problems that radiate from her strongly. She justifies everything she does 'because the cacao god' tells her to, so it must be okay to rip people off, lie and cheat.

However, I like the raw food community, I buy some 'exotic' foods they sell because I think its nice to try new foods and think it is a good movement in general. They also provide lots of cutting edge information about health, so I hope they get stronger.

Hi Fuggles

Yes, the raw community in general IS A VERY GOOD THING !! Through my re-acquiance with raw a few years ago, it lead me enquire about many things we are lead to believe as a truth, when in fact it is not ! I have always been a truth seeker and cannot abide someone or something coming across as, say good, when quite clearly the signs are they/it is, NOT..Why can't honesty prevail..in all walks of life ! I can get quite emotive about it, when expressing my opinions to people and some will take it the wrong way. I am not being hateful towards these people, but I just get a bit carried away at times when expressing my opinions of them.

I realise my opinions on Shazze, Mr Wolfe et al are contraversial and not everyone will agree with me, especially the people in question, but I do remember a while back when the subject of Mr Wolf's plaigarism came up within a raw online group I was part of and they dismissed it, saying along the lines something like"well he has done so much good for the raw movement, let's not allow something he did so long ago upset the apple cart.." or something of the likes, and I also remember when someone slagged of Wolfie and they were absolutely berated for it !! It was like he was untouchable..hmmm...

:cool:

[kristin76]

I left a comment on the philip McClusky youtube asking the poster raw squirrel what the inverted pyramid sign meant as she mentioned it and it has been deleted.

This is really getting on my nerves, why has it been deleted it is only a question not an accusation.!!!

I' m going to post it again


Gaia. You sound like a raving, completely barking mad individual. Your world, your mind, your beliefs are so negative, so intolerable, so...uneducated it's astonishing to me, though altogether not surprising, you have an audience here on a conspiracy theory site. The way you toss around "Jew this, Jew that, Jews infiltrating this particular industry, and that particular industry" is absolutely ignorant, anti-Semitic (yes, it is anti-Semitic), and exceptionally disturbing though Hitler would be proud of you. The "Jewish Conspiracy" (along with NWO) theory has its roots in Russia actually, in order to give negativity towards a particular culture in order to DEMARGINALIZE a social group who is perceived to accomplish something the "native" hasn't. Absolutely rubbish.

Another thing, for FUGGLES and all the others criticizing the "Raw Food Leaders" Shazzie happens to be a delightful woman who has inspired and led the way for MANY people, including myself, to live a happier and better lifestyle. To criticize casual poses, hand gestures, and so forth to insinuate she's part of this half-cocked LIZARD concept, and "one of them" is another symbol for me to read that you are in possession of nothing short than a untreated mental disorder. For someone, I'm not sure who it was, to malign her and her character is truly shocking. That goes for criticizing Philip also. Get lives, people. Take the foil from off top of your head and return back to planet earth. Become productive citizens, contribute something worthwhile to society instead of your complete BS.

Personally, I'm happy that there are people in this world, the very ones you choose to malign, who contribute their knowledge on subject matters I care about and that are healthy for my body, mind, and soul rather than this psychotic garbage babble of reptilian lineage, NWO, "Bad Jews" and huge forces of negativity...Grow up.

[gaias child]

Gaia. You sound like a raving, completely barking mad individual. Your world, your mind, your beliefs are so negative, so intolerable, so...uneducated it's astonishing to me, though altogether not surprising, you have an audience here on a conspiracy theory site. The way you toss around "Jew this, Jew that, Jews infiltrating this particular industry, and that particular industry" is absolutely ignorant, anti-Semitic (yes, it is anti-Semitic), and exceptionally disturbing though Hitler would be proud of you. The "Jewish Conspiracy" (along with NWO) theory has its roots in Russia actually, in order to give negativity towards a particular culture in order to DEMARGINALIZE a social group who is perceived to accomplish something the "native" hasn't. Absolutely rubbish.

Another thing, for FUGGLES and all the others criticizing the "Raw Food Leaders" Shazzie happens to be a delightful woman who has inspired and led the way for MANY people, including myself, to live a happier and better lifestyle. To criticize casual poses, hand gestures, and so forth to insinuate she's part of this half-cocked LIZARD concept, and "one of them" is another symbol for me to read that you are in possession of nothing short than a untreated mental disorder. For someone, I'm not sure who it was, to malign her and her character is truly shocking. That goes for criticizing Philip also. Get lives, people. Take the foil from off top of your head and return back to planet earth. Become productive citizens, contribute something worthwhile to society instead of your complete BS.

Personally, I'm happy that there are people in this world, the very ones you choose to malign, who contribute their knowledge on subject matters I care about and that are healthy for my body, mind, and soul rather than this psychotic garbage babble of reptilian lineage, NWO, "Bad Jews" and huge forces of negativity...Grow up.

Crikey, I've never received such a hateful rant before, thankyou for your kind words.

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is but you have clearly just joined this forum to post this hysterical hateful rant, accusing others of what you are actually doing yourself.

With all due respect you clearly have not even read the thread and are reading things into it that are not even there and made accusations that are untrue. You obviously have done no research into who owns the global media, and it is you that is uneducated and it is you who seems to have a mental disorder, and hysterical personality disorder.

[kristin76]

Crikey, I've never received such a hateful rant before, thankyou for your kind words.

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is but you have clearly just joined this forum to post this hysterical hateful rant, accusing others of what you are actually doing yourself.

With all due respect you clearly have not even read the thread and are reading things into it that are not even there and made accusations that are untrue. You obviously have done no research into who owns the global media, and it is you that is uneducated and it is you who seems to have a mental disorder, and hysterical personality disorder.

Absolutely I've read rants regarding *the JEWISH owned media* and so on and so forth. Jew this, Jew that, Jew, Jew, Jew. I suppose that infowars is your idea of credible media, forgive me :D. Of course I read the thread, and putzed around looking at other snippets of psycho-babble. Claiming "I have nothing against the Jews..." is laughable. You clearly have an issue with Jewish people. That however is your problem, and thankfully not mine. My post actually was addressed to several, and not just one, however experience with forums such as these aren't my forte so I'll gladly claim ignorance on directing my postings to the individual two gentleman who clearly are the intended recipients.

[gaias child]

Don't be silly, infowars is most certainly not my idea of credible media, and Alex Jones is an inflitrator, who deliberately spreads disinfo, his wife is jewish all serious researchers know that. I do my own research. What is your credible media source, because you sound like something out of tabloid.

This was a post I responded too, that I agreed with. It is actually true, that controllers of our world are mostly jewish, I can't help that and it is not anti semitic to say that. Why is it that everytime the truth is exposd on what these people are doing, the anti semitic label is used. It is not anti semitic to tell the truth. Members of the NWO are actually comprised of all races and demoniations,but most of the best known ones are David Rockerfella, the Rothschild family and Kissinger.


The reason why I have a problem wth Rockerfella and Kissinger is because of famous quotes like this, which if you had done even basic research you would know. Not because they are jewish, they just happen to be jewish. Actually they are zionist's which isn't the same thing. Even the jews are against zionism. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ It is not the religion that is the problem with these people but their ETHICS

"Soldiers are dumb animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy, Henry Kissinger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger


And from David Rockerfella autobiography "memoirs", he admits he is part of secret cartel to create global tyranny, a NWO if you will. This is a quote from his book which I have read.

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller




The Rothschilds control the banking system the federal reserve. They funded the world wars and control Reuters the media.

Here is some information.

http://www.rense.com/general79/tril.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

and owner ship of media

http://100777.com/node/164

http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm

http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm

http://www.rense.com/general78/rothw.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc



Well if you think this global tryanny and the fact a billion people starve to death because of others greed and the wars that are being deliberately orchestrated to make trillions out of war weapons, that is your problem not mine.

I'd appreciate it if you would read the information before you comment.

I do have a problem with terrorist attacks on Palestine and middle east and ethnic cleansing. But I care just as much if not more about other issues like Monsanto, chem trails, vaccines, the destruction of the rainforest, and the dumping of depleted uranium on people in Iraq., and what is being done to Indian farmers.

To be concerned about things is not negative it is subjective. To turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't happening is what is really negative

[shazzie love]

Thanks for the unlimited love and reflections, guys, I truly appreciate it. Bliss u.

[kiwimaj]

Gaia. You sound like a raving, completely barking mad individual. Your world, your mind, your beliefs are so negative, so intolerable, so...uneducated it's astonishing to me, though altogether not surprising, you have an audience here on a conspiracy theory site. The way you toss around "Jew this, Jew that, Jews infiltrating this particular industry, and that particular industry" is absolutely ignorant, anti-Semitic (yes, it is anti-Semitic), and exceptionally disturbing though Hitler would be proud of you. The "Jewish Conspiracy" (along with NWO) theory has its roots in Russia actually, in order to give negativity towards a particular culture in order to DEMARGINALIZE a social group who is perceived to accomplish something the "native" hasn't. Absolutely rubbish.

Another thing, for FUGGLES and all the others criticizing the "Raw Food Leaders" Shazzie happens to be a delightful woman who has inspired and led the way for MANY people, including myself, to live a happier and better lifestyle. To criticize casual poses, hand gestures, and so forth to insinuate she's part of this half-cocked LIZARD concept, and "one of them" is another symbol for me to read that you are in possession of nothing short than a untreated mental disorder. For someone, I'm not sure who it was, to malign her and her character is truly shocking. That goes for criticizing Philip also. Get lives, people. Take the foil from off top of your head and return back to planet earth. Become productive citizens, contribute something worthwhile to society instead of your complete BS.

Personally, I'm happy that there are people in this world, the very ones you choose to malign, who contribute their knowledge on subject matters I care about and that are healthy for my body, mind, and soul rather than this psychotic garbage babble of reptilian lineage, NWO, "Bad Jews" and huge forces of negativity...Grow up.

Hi Shazzie..oops, sorry...."kirsten"...;)

Welcome to the forum,all are welcome here. Was wondering how long it would take you to comment...but fair play to you, everyone is entitled to respond to allegations

I could do a right old rant back, but just one thing at this point...

Why do you mention..."lizards"..?? Where on this thread, does it refer to you and your friends as..."lizards"..?..hmmm...I got a reply on a youtube from "shazzie" and she mentions the reptilian connection..hmmm...and now you are posting along the very same lines...strange that...;)

The people who have been kind enough to respond to this thread have shown me that indeed I do not suffer from some "mental disorder"..far from it. Very cunning really, those that proport to be in charge, if they see some sort of truth being exposed they love to deride, belittle and make the people concerned out to be mad...again, very cunning, but we ain't falling for it. The truth is being exposed here and the truth does not fear inquiry..far from it, the truth and the light does not fear examination.

Gaia, fuggles and the rest, are all good people, truth seekers, that is all.

Anyway, welcome to the forum..."kirsten"..:D

[kiwimaj]

Thanks for the unlimited love and reflections, guys, I truly appreciate it. Bliss u.

Hi "kirsten"..oops, Shazzie, good to see you..again..on here..just how many alter egos do you have??

You are right though, LoVe does have an inverted pyramid, well spotted ! ;)

All are welcome here !

:)

[fuggles]

However I do buy things from her website like mesquite and carob and make hot chocolate with them, despite my other comments.

Its better than drinking horlicks.

[shazzie love]

I'm not kirsten. Wow, confused dot com, u guys.

[fuggles]

And yes, I still think she is hateful, bitter woman. Very cold hearted too.

[shazzie love]

And yes, I still think she is hateful, bitter woman. Very cold hearted too.

i love what u say, fuggles. bliss u a million time x

[gaias child]

symbolism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LEljS3ib84

I found some very interesting and intelligent information videos on the ancient history of symbolism and subversive use of sacred symbolism in the media and corporate advertising and for many products and how it subliminally affects consciousness and mind manipulates.


http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/the-hidden-persuaders-the-subversive-use-of-sacred-symbolism-in-the-media/

[fuggles]

Okay I apologise, from 'her' recent comments maybe she has reformed from her bitter and twisted ways. Ive ordered a lot of things on the website also, so maybe shes not as much of a witch as she is made out to be.

[kristin76]

Don't be silly, infowars is most certainly not my idea of credible media, and Alex Jones is an inflitrator, who deliberately spreads disinfo, his wife is jewish all serious researchers know that. I do my own research. What is your credible media source, because you sound like something out of tabloid.

This was a post I responded too, that I agreed with. It is actually true, that controllers of our world are mostly jewish, I can't help that and it is not anti semitic to say that. Why is it that everytime the truth is exposd on what these people are doing, the anti semitic label is used. It is not anti semitic to tell the truth. Members of the NWO are actually comprised of all races and demoniations,but most of the best known ones are David Rockerfella, the Rothschild family and Kissinger.


The reason why I have a problem wth Rockerfella and Kissinger is because of famous quotes like this, which if you had done even basic research you would know. Not because they are jewish, they just happen to be jewish. Actually they are zionist's which isn't the same thing. Even the jews are against zionism. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ It is not the religion that is the problem with these people but their ETHICS




And from David Rockerfella autobiography "memoirs", he admits he is part of secret cartel to create global tyranny, a NWO if you will. This is a quote from his book which I have read.





The Rothschilds control the banking system the federal reserve. They funded the world wars and control Reuters the media.

Here is some information.

http://www.rense.com/general79/tril.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

and owner ship of media

http://100777.com/node/164

http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm

http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm

http://www.rense.com/general78/rothw.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGSOViaulc



Well if you think this global tryanny and the fact a billion people starve to death because of others greed and the wars that are being deliberately orchestrated to make trillions out of war weapons, that is your problem not mine.

I'd appreciate it if you would read the information before you comment.

I do have a problem with terrorist attacks on Palestine and middle east and ethnic cleansing. But I care just as much if not more about other issues like Monsanto, chem trails, vaccines, the destruction of the rainforest, and the dumping of depleted uranium on people in Iraq., and what is being done to Indian farmers.

To be concerned about things is not negative it is subjective. To turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't happening is what is really negative


You are, without a doubt, vile. I absolutely refuse to read any of your rubbish nor respond further. Jewish, Jewish, Jewish. You make me sick. Get help.

[kristin76]

Hi Shazzie..oops, sorry...."kirsten"...;)

Welcome to the forum,all are welcome here. Was wondering how long it would take you to comment...but fair play to you, everyone is entitled to respond to allegations

I could do a right old rant back, but just one thing at this point...

Why do you mention..."lizards"..?? Where on this thread, does it refer to you and your friends as..."lizards"..?..hmmm...I got a reply on a youtube from "shazzie" and she mentions the reptilian connection..hmmm...and now you are posting along the very same lines...strange that...;)

The people who have been kind enough to respond to this thread have shown me that indeed I do not suffer from some "mental disorder"..far from it. Very cunning really, those that proport to be in charge, if they see some sort of truth being exposed they love to deride, belittle and make the people concerned out to be mad...again, very cunning, but we ain't falling for it. The truth is being exposed here and the truth does not fear inquiry..far from it, the truth and the light does not fear examination.

Gaia, fuggles and the rest, are all good people, truth seekers, that is all.

Anyway, welcome to the forum..."kirsten"..:D

There is no truth in hate. None at all. I am Kristin, not Kirsten, and certainly not at all Shazzie, nor did I post with her knowledge. I did it out of fondness for her, and the gains that I've made from reading her books and conversing loquaciously far outnumber anything that you could find on this site pal. The only Lizard King that exists was a song by Jim Morrison. Get with the program, pal. Negativity begets negativity.

[gaias child]

You are, without a doubt, vile. I absolutely refuse to read any of your rubbish nor respond further. Jewish, Jewish, Jewish. You make me sick. Get help.

It is entirely up to you what you read of course, but I'd appreciate it in future if you would read what I'm actually saying instead of what you think I am saying, which is more to do with what is going on in your own mind, before you indulge in vitriolic personal attacks on me

[gaias child]

).


Even though I am a staunch raw food supporter, it seems to me the top bods seem to have 'sold out'.
[SURELY these people who claim to be so enlightened and want to help so much of humanity through food and consciousness, would not stoop to such things? It seems to me they now are just tools of the PTB.

David Wolfe is a know plaigarist and yet Shazzie and so many other raw food 'elite' regard him as a god almost..

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Here is a quote regarding the supposid plaigarism he stooped to..



A very interesting article which goes into some depth between the almost identical wording from the original book to the one Mr Wolfe "penned".



[url]http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/2


Just like his good mate, Uri, they seem to have far more in common that first thought..If anyone is good mates with the sickening con artist, uri geller, alarm bells start ringing...IMO.

To sum up, I would firstly like to say I am in no way hating these people, just pointing out stuff I have noticed, which I find unsettling, especially since being a member of this forum and how my eyes have opened. I just find it so dissappointing that these people that I thought were so enlightened, seemingly, are just showing themselves up to be tools of the agenda...but...they do impart so many important messages re. raw food and higher consciousness, which IMO, still stands as extremely important.

I would welcome other's views on this.


To get back on to the topic of whether Raw Food leaders have "sold out" or perhaps "controlled out", because all businesses when they reach a certain size get sucked into codex alimentarius regulations, and anyone who is not aware of this need to get aware pretty quickly, as it is going to affect the entire population of the planet.

It is already the case that large pharmaceutical companies are beyond control of individual states and are beyond control of governments.

They have already begun the task of systematic control of supplements, agricultural processes and seeds in order to .
control the population by being in control of all foods and supplements. Monsanto is already buying up all seeds so there will be no heirloom seeds left. They are seeking to GM the seeds


http://www.anhcampaign.org/campaigns/codex




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRxT_6L_pA&feature=player_embedded#


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPybbh7ux58&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxMjlAUeW2s&feature=related



This is being achieved through control of the world health organisation through WTO and WHO and UN. The pharmaceutical companies have their own people in these organisations who are unaccountable to anyone. The pharmaceutical companies now own most supplement companies. I heard recently it was now nearer 90%

The important thing we should be doing is buying up as many heirloom seeds as possible, to stop them getting control, because very soon it will not be possible to get heirloom seeds. because monsanto are buying up every seed on the planet.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4867493254318912106#


In the scheme of things Raw Food leaders are a very small cog in a very large machine which is seeking Global control.

We all need to be aware of how pervasive the plan for a NWO is, whether some raw leaders are a part of it deliberately or are innocent victims of the Machiavellian manoevres of those seeing to create a NWO is unclear.

It is a fact that the creation of celebrity status in all walks of life including the alternative media is a hall mark of the way in which the NWO seeks to mind manipulate the masses.

Info on how symbolism is used in this way.

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/the-hidden-persuaders-the-subversive-use-of-sacred-symbolism-in-the-media/

[gaias child]

For some strange reason the links above are not working but if you cut and paste them into search engine they do, so I'm posting them seperately to see if they work this way



http://www.anhcampaign.org/campaigns/codex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWRxT_6L_pA&feature=player_embedded#


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPybbh7ux58&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxMjlAUeW2s&feature=related

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4867493254318912106#

http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/the-hidden-persuaders-the-subversive-use-of-sacred-symbolism-in-the-media/

[fuggles]

Also, the raw cacao master, Moctezuma II, whom the raw fooders worship, who drank 50 cups of chocolate a day, boiled all his ingredients.

So the whole 'raw' thing is pointless. hot chocolate tastes much better and it always will.

[unusual_suspect]

Omg, I actually can't believe this thread has been hijacked by raw food groupies lmao! I was lurking till now, and yes, in response to OP they have sold right out, it was enough to convince me that the whole raw food thing is laughable, these so called experts who everyone looks up to in this field are flakey to say the least. I am so glad someone started this thread.

There is some sort of misguided belief in the truth seeking community that any health practises that go against conventional wisdom must be somehow "better" than what we already know. Sure a raw diet is healthy, but I have seen the raw transformations and it is nothing you couldn't achieve with lots of exercise, and eating better and getting enough rest. Raw food is cool, but it is not some sort of holy grail. I'm sure Shazzie et all are making a pretty penny from convincing gullible people that it will be the end to all their ailments - and that just aint right!

[kiwimaj]

Hi Gaias

Interesting post ! Some great links and you have posted this in a very, calm, concise and without venom, manner, thank you !


To get back on to the topic of whether Raw Food leaders have "sold out" or perhaps "controlled out", because all businesses when they reach a certain size get sucked into codex alimentarius regulations, and anyone who is not aware of this need to get aware pretty quickly, as it is going to affect the entire population of the planet.


Very true, again, very well said Gaias..

In the scheme of things Raw Food leaders are a very small cog in a very large machine which is seeking Global control.

We all need to be aware of how pervasive the plan for a NWO is, whether some raw leaders are a part of it deliberately or are innocent victims of the Machiavellian manoevres of those seeing to create a NWO is unclear.

Bingo !! That is spot on..of course, we don't know for sure what their true intentions are, whether they are consciously aware and are consciously going along with an agenda, or 5 pointed stars and dodgy body movements could simply be...innocent...

It is a fact that the creation of celebrity status in all walks of life including the alternative media is a hall mark of the way in which the NWO seeks to mind manipulate the masses.

;)

Interesting and well thought out replies...do they know what they are doing, consciously, or are they simply mind controlled by the powers that be...?

I have a feeling that to get great success in the business world, you are part of the.."club". You may start out doing what you think is right, innocently doing your bit, but for real celeb status, wealth, fame and riches, I sense it is more than likely you have joined the club, if I am wrong truly wrong, and the likes of Shazzie and Mr Wolfe et al, are simply genuinely helping people through the products they sell and the talks they give, then...great..and I will be the first one to hold my hand up and say..."hey folks, sorry, I was wrong in my observations..". I am still not putting up my hand, at this point..

Isn't the point of lighworking being to help each individual wake up and do the best with their life? To enable others to live to the best of their ability, through health and every other aspect of well being. If certain 'celebs' are peddling stuff that actually, is going against what is for the best of someone, but disguised as the best for their health, then that is quite clearly not what lightworking is all about...?? The reason why so many are attracted to the raw movement, because not only does it combine food with good health, but it also encompasses higher consciousness/awareness and through raw food you go further and begin to see so many truths, that the current world is sheilding from us.


Again thanx Gaias, well thought out, constructive and non-knee jerk response to various points...thank you

:)

[kiwimaj]

Omg, I actually can't believe this thread has been hijacked by raw food groupies lmao! I was lurking till now, and yes, in response to OP they have sold right out, it was enough to convince me that the whole raw food thing is laughable, these so called experts who everyone looks up to in this field are flakey to say the least. I am so glad someone started this thread.

Cheerz, your support is most welcome ! ;)

There is some sort of misguided belief in the truth seeking community that any health practises that go against conventional wisdom must be somehow "better" than what we already know. Sure a raw diet is healthy, but I have seen the raw transformations and it is nothing you couldn't achieve with lots of exercise, and eating better and getting enough rest. Raw food is cool, but it is not some sort of holy grail. I'm sure Shazzie et all are making a pretty penny from convincing gullible people that it will be the end to all their ailments - and that just aint right!

Thanx unusual, for your post, it is very welcome..and again shows that there is at least a shred of plausibility in the real reason behind this thread.

Great observations, cheerz !

:)

[kiwimaj]

I'm not kirsten. Wow, confused dot com, u guys.

Ok, if you say so. Simply a gramatical error. Would be interested in your thoughts on all this Shazzie. I know you are a very busy lady. If any of what others have said on here is completely untrue, then you have obviously nothing to concern yourself with, but it seems I am not the only one who has observed certain things.

My 2 cents !

:D

[kiwimaj]

You are, without a doubt, vile. I absolutely refuse to read any of your rubbish nor respond further. Jewish, Jewish, Jewish. You make me sick. Get help.

It's not all about ...'jewish, jewish, jewish', as you describe, and I absolutely refuse to allow this thread to be derailed into accusing us of 'anti-semitism'. We are not anti-semitic, far from it, we are simply making observations on things we have seen. The true reason for this thread is far from being that.

Strange, isn't it, how if you dare to say anything negative about jewish people there is a word for it..anti-semite..and yet, if you are anti catholic or anti muslim, is there a term for it?..hmmm...Just an observation...:rolleyes:

[kiwimaj]

However I do buy things from her website like mesquite and carob and make hot chocolate with them, despite my other comments.

Its better than drinking horlicks.

Indeed ! :D

I've never bought anything from her website, but have purchased some of her bits from Wholefoods. I still think that the original raw is best, fruit, veges, nuts and seeds, local, if possible. I go foraging for sea weed, bring it home, and dry it out, blitz it up and bingo, go some lovely, free, dried product.

Wild foraging is really the best, don't we get a lovely feeling from raiding natures larder and it doesn't cost us a penny !

:)

[chris]

LOL What an entertaining thread!!!

Okay firstly let’s put this down…We are being watched:

http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/post-about-raw-foodists-on

Jeez, I don’t know where to begin…Okay first let me say that I’m an 90/5/5 raw foodist, I got here not from any book but actually through studying on my own, it was only the 80/10/10 book which confirmed things for me.

I must say that this was the most ridiculous badly researched thread ever. Talking about Uri Geller being some kind of angel of death, you better watch your back Shazzie and Wolfe!!! Exposing the raw food gurus as Jewish as though that was a smoking gun moment (half my family is Jewish, does that mean I’m one of them). Then moving onto how her arm is in the shape of an inverted pentagram. Are you fucking kidding? Don’t you ever put your arms on your waist? It reminds me of the picture where Icke accidentally sports the Texas Longhorns sign (that one didn’t die down for months)…Like that Kristin said, get a fucking life. Get some discernment.

As for making money, what’s wrong about that? They are putting out good info and trying to put some food on the table. The competition is raising awareness of raw food and it is far healthier than 99% of other people’s diets. I don’t get all this jealousy of people that actually get off their arses and doing something. Do you know how much the Food industrial complex is worth? Billions and yet you cry over a few people doing some good work and making a tiny profit.

I’m not one of those 80/10/10ers that are completely jealous and want to usurp ‘the raw food movement,’ personally I don’t eat high-fat raw or any supplements because through my research, they are not necessary. However I’m not going to devote all my time bringing down Tiny Tim as though I’m some kind of defender of the people. Let’s make real objectives and prioritise.

In fact I think it’s hypocritical to condemn the “raw food guru’s” from an 80/10/10 perspective because as high fruit eaters, we are responsible for being supporters of all kinds of CIA funded puppet dictatorships. I think I’d rather expose the CIA rather than some lady doing good work.

What makes it so much worse is that you people are doing the exact opposite of exposing real people; you are getting into diversionary tactics like Jew bashing and complete paranoia and attacking good people. You are trying to expose the ‘raw food gurus’ of being tools and unconscious puppets, yet you are the ones being subverted. Well done.

The "Jewish Conspiracy" (along with NWO) theory has its roots in Russia actually, in order to give negativity towards a particular culture in order to DEMARGINALIZE a social group who is perceived to accomplish something the "native" hasn't. Absolutely rubbish.

Look forget the words “New World Order,” even though it’s been continued to be talked about from the heads of state and media from Hitler to Gordon Brown, the very name is distractionary because it’s descriptive in nature. Therefore they can talk about it and then deny it.

Could you provide information on the term being originated in Russia because I’m pretty interested to read that. It must obviously be during the time of the Tsars because the term can be back dated to other places before the revolution. However like I said: because it’s descriptive so it’s hard to trace. I doubt that it came from Russia to be honest but would like to see the research.

You are, without a doubt, vile. I absolutely refuse to read any of your rubbish nor respond further. Jewish, Jewish, Jewish. You make me sick. Get help.

A lot of people dress up as Jews and hide behind anti-Semitism but they are not Jewish. My family looks down on people that uses anti-semitism and some of them are staunch Zionists, I never get the feeling that me or my family are being defended when this card is played, I actually feel like I’m being whored out. My Zionist family members see it as pretty pathetic (though useful). Allow us to fight our own battles, if you don’t want to read the research because it’s too long or conflicts with your current modality, just say so. Don’t say it’s really because it’s some altruistic politically correct reasoning.

Gaias Child is offering some poor research, there much better out there.

What was behind Hitler was eugenics was always based primarily in England and the US. I implore you to read up on the modern history of eugenics and what happened to it after the fall of the Third Reich. You’ll see that just like healthy eating, there is a very deep rabbit hole that you have fallen into.

Some good places to get started:
National Security Memorandum 200 by Henry Kissinger
The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski
Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment by Paul R. Ehrlich
The First Global Revolution by the Club of Rome
Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley

[gaias child]

And your point is??!!!

This thread started as just an interesting non hateful observation about raw gurus and symbols used and an interesting observaton they seem to be all or almost all jewish, that is all but this turned into a vitriolic hateful aggressive attack calling people anti jewish or anti semitic. weird

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must say that this was the most ridiculous badly researched thread ever. Talking about Uri Geller being some kind of angel of death, you better watch your back Shazzie and Wolfe!!! Exposing the raw food gurus as Jewish as though that was a smoking gun moment (half my family is Jewish, does that mean I’m one of them). Then moving onto how her arm is in the shape of an inverted pentagram. Are you fucking kidding? Don’t you ever put your arms on your waist? It reminds me of the picture where Icke accidentally sports the Texas Longhorns sign (that one didn’t die down for months)…Like that Kristin said, get a fucking life. Get some discernment.

As for making money, what’s wrong about that? They are putting out good info and trying to put some food on the table. The competition is raising awareness of raw food and it is far healthier than 99% of other people’s diets. I don’t get all this jealousy of people that actually get off their arses and doing something. Do you know how much the Food industrial complex is worth? Billions and yet you cry over a few people doing some good work and making a tiny profit.

I’m not one of those 80/10/10ers that are completely jealous and want to usurp ‘the raw food movement,’ personally I don’t eat high-fat raw or any supplements because through my research, they are not necessary. However I’m not going to devote all my time bringing down Tiny Tim as though I’m some kind of defender of the people. Let’s make real objectives and prioritise.

In fact I think it’s hypocritical to condemn the “raw food guru’s” from an 80/10/10 perspective because as high fruit eaters, we are responsible for being supporters of all kinds of CIA funded puppet dictatorships. I think I’d rather expose the CIA rather than some lady doing good work.



First off all you should to do some research into Uri Geller. He admits he is an expert in mind manipulation and hypnosis techniques he is also an ex paratrooper , mossad( I know he seems too dumb to be the military's creme de la creme, so that is a surprise but it is true) who admits he has killed people, you are clearly fine with that, but I'm not. For your information, Uri Geller is involved with the CIA

http://66.221.71.68/nypr.htm

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/40621

No one has condemned anyone making money or a living from raw foods, this is predjudiced presumption, and the only person doing the attacking from my perspective was what appears to be shazzie's altar ego Kristin

I do have a concern with people marketing themselves as Gurus who think they are God's gift to the planet and who feel they should have status and worship as if they are the ones solely responsible for offering the world raw food rather than thanking our creator and the earth for such abundant offerings. It is the earth and our Creator we should be thanking for wonderful abundance of raw foods not Raw food Guru's, this is very cult like in my opinion.

I was into Raw foods long before Raw Food Gurus came along and corrupted what raw food was actually about.

I also do have a problem with raw cacao being marketed as a health food as this is not honest and it is not a health food. It is not honest to market it as such. Quite a lot of raw foodies have become ill, agitated, aggressive etc and developed kidney problems from high use of raw cacao.

David Wolfe and shazzie marketed this product knowing full well it was not a health food and caused problems due to the research Jeremy Saffron did on it Paul Nison has been very vocal about this on his site as Jeremy is a friend of his. Some people have a problem with those ethics. I do like David Wolfe but I don't think he is very ethical IMO

http://www.paulnison.com/enewsletter.htm?a=105

Quote from Paul Nison

Since my last article on the negative effects of cacao, many people have agreed with me how toxic it really is. On the other hand there were some people who would not change their mind about it no matter what the cost. In fact those people got angry with me. The truth can hurt, but I’m just the messenger. As I said in my last article about cacao, I wish it were healthy, but the fact is not! Weather you are willing to admit it or not is your decision, but there are so many foods that are proven to be healthy, why continue to take some that are up for debate? Many people are being mislead to believe cacao and other foods raw healthy. Many of the people who promote it, have a good heart and really feel it is a good food, but I know there are many who sell this product knowing it is toxic and addictive, just to make money.

I recently spoke to a good friend of my Jeremy Saffaron. Jeremy has been involved in the raw food community for a very long time. He has a raw food recipe book out and also and excellent resource guide. Jeremy told me he was the first person to do any raw research with cacao. He spent 4 years (1999 -2003) studying the effects of cacao and have dedicated countless hours surfing the net, talking with specialists, and even got involved with the university of hawaii who’s agriculture branch is looking into raw cacao toxicity.

When Jeremy first found out about cacao he was so excited about it. He sold it for a short while (2001-2002) before he stopped . He was the first person to let others in the raw food world know about it. Again I repeat, JEREMY WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN THE RAW WORLD to let others know about cacao.




http://files.meetup.com/306489/Is%20Raw%20Cacao%20a%20Superfood%20or%20Harmful%20 Stimulant.pdf

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What makes it so much worse is that you people are doing the exact opposite of exposing real people; you are getting into diversionary tactics like Jew bashing and complete paranoia and attacking good people. You are trying to expose the ‘raw food gurus’ of being tools and unconscious puppets, yet you are the ones being subverted. Well done.



You are the one accusing others yet again if what you are doing yourself, there are no attacks on anyone (apart from attacks on me and the OP being called anti jewish anti semitic label ,mentally ill , and other insults, this is very spiritual I must say)just observations, you are the one being predjudiced. To observe as OP did that most raw gurus are jews is not anti semitic, or anti jewish, it is an observation, that is all. You do not know the meaning of the word, my jewish partner has been exposed to anti semitism, and this isn't it believe me. You wouldn't call someone anti catholic if they mentioned priests were catholic, you also don't call them anti catholic if they critcise the catholic mafiosa, any more than you criticise some for being anti italian if they criticise the Italian mafia. But if you mention Rockerfeller or Rothschild owning the federal reserve or the media, and funding wars ...hey your anti semitic, this is deeply disturbing.

I do not need to criticise David Rockerfeller he admits what he is doing himself

A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -
6-11-6


"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."




Also another interesting observation is that David Rockerfeller funded the New age movement, and the creation of the Hare Krisna movement.

Also freemasonry originated from the essene religion.

http://www.co-masonry.org/History/Essenes.aspx



I've also done a little research into the Vatican involvement in NWO and it is funny because I don't get called anti catholic for making equal observations.

My husband is half jewish, and he knows what anti semitism is, and this is not it. I have many friends who are jewish and they are also against zionism. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a political movement.Calling people anti jewish or anti semitic is offensive, and if you are using these labels you have fallen into the divisory political tactic trap.

Calling people anti semitic is a trick that is used as an Israel Minister admitted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

[gaias child]

I've been doing a little more research into the symbols, I have felt very overwhelmed at some of the info around satanism and symbols on the internet saying symbols were satanic and was very unsettled and wanted to know in what context they were used. Before this thread I stayed away from the satanic information as I found it very disturbing.

Then moving onto how her arm is in the shape of an inverted pentagram. Are you fucking kidding? Don’t you ever put your arms on your waist?

I agree with you on this, maybe some of them are irrelevant but not all of them are and you have ignored other symbols and picked on that one . There are other posters who have picked up on symbolism in raw food on other threads such as here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2659

Shazzie has a friend called Lucifer and another with a pentagram tattoo (see her photos page).


I have come to the conclusion that the symbols in themselves are not satanic. It is the intent with which they are used that makes the difference. You can use them for good or evil. William Cooper explained they are from the occult which just means hidden not satanic, they are neutral. William Cooper says this about it. At The Very Heart And Core Of The Secret Societies Lurks The Kabbalah, A Method Of Encoding The Secret Of The Ages The Ancient Knowledge And Information Through A System Of Mathematics And Numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjUJViB4PKw




I then discovered that it is when symbols used in reverse the intent is to work against the true human spiritual nature. This is what is regarded as satanic, ie pentagram when they are used in reverse which is how TPTB use them, they are regarded as working against true spiritual human nature and for example in this picture in this link shows how TPTB put the pentagram in reverse aspect into the street designs

The picture to the right shows http://www.magicmerkabahangel.com/goldenmean15.html how the streets were created to form an inverted pentagram, the sign of using Divine Energy in its reverse aspect ie; for personal power. This is why this use of symbos is believed by many to be satanic because they are being used in reverse aspect.

They use these to keep our planet and human beings in a state of inbalance


In one of the shazzie picture with 5 pointed star the point of the star is not in reverse, therefore it is not satanic, but it is still an occult symbol, the point goes upwards, but if it points downward it means it is being used in reverse and is regarded as satanic.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm I.

Some of the other symbols that were pointed out like the half face with one eye, I have no idea what it means but I know that it is used widely by the music industry and there are many discussions on this forum on that.

It is clear the use of symbols in our society in advertising and with subliminals is to manipulate our consciousness.



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[rantandrave]

Shazzie says:

"As banks collapse, due to money not actually being real, the power of the few is slipping away. Now is the time for real power, the power in our hearts, to shine brighter than ever. White patriarchal damaged-left-brain rule is over. This world is ours again, let’s love it (and ourselves) back to life."

Who is this nutcase talking about? Everybody knows that jews own the majority of the banks and run the world economy not white men. Is she really this hateful and racist? It sounds like "the club" has not only sold-out but they have become racist too or maybe they were just hiding that from their gullible audience. Hey, my dad's white you ditz, Shazzie and he's a great guy. I would pick him over YOUR rule any day of the week. I think you got that backwards. It's the right brain idiocy of yours and David Wolfe and all of you charlatans that needs to end!

[rantandrave]

I've been doing a little more research into the symbols, I have felt very overwhelmed at some of the info around satanism and symbols on the internet saying symbols were satanic and was very unsettled and wanted to know in what context they were used. Before this thread I stayed away from the satanic information as I found it very disturbing.



I agree with you on this, maybe some of them are irrelevant but not all of them are and you have ignored other symbols and picked on that one . There are other posters who have picked up on symbolism in raw food on other threads such as here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2659




I have come to the conclusion that the symbols in themselves are not satanic. It is the intent with which they are used that makes the difference. You can use them for good or evil. William Cooper explained they are from the occult which just means hidden not satanic, they are neutral. William Cooper says this about it. At The Very Heart And Core Of The Secret Societies Lurks The Kabbalah, A Method Of Encoding The Secret Of The Ages The Ancient Knowledge And Information Through A System Of Mathematics And Numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjUJViB4PKw




I then discovered that it is when symbols used in reverse the intent is to work against the true human spiritual nature. This is what is regarded as satanic, ie pentagram when they are used in reverse which is how TPTB use them, they are regarded as working against true spiritual human nature and for example in this picture in this link shows how TPTB put the pentagram in reverse aspect into the street designs

The picture to the right shows http://www.magicmerkabahangel.com/goldenmean15.html how the streets were created to form an inverted pentagram, the sign of using Divine Energy in its reverse aspect ie; for personal power. This is why this use of symbos is believed by many to be satanic because they are being used in reverse aspect.

They use these to keep our planet and human beings in a state of inbalance


In one of the shazzie picture with 5 pointed star the point of the star is not in reverse, therefore it is not satanic, but it is still an occult symbol, the point goes upwards, but if it points downward it means it is being used in reverse and is regarded as satanic.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm I.

Some of the other symbols that were pointed out like the half face with one eye, I have no idea what it means but I know that it is used widely by the music industry and there are many discussions on this forum on that.

It is clear the use of symbols in our society in advertising and with subliminals is to manipulate our consciousness.



.

Thanks so much for posting this. I agree that there are some serious hidden (or not so hidden) agendas going on here. Definitely will avoid this bunch of kooks.

[kiwimaj]

I've been doing a little more research into the symbols, I have felt very overwhelmed at some of the info around satanism and symbols on the internet saying symbols were satanic and was very unsettled and wanted to know in what context they were used. Before this thread I stayed away from the satanic information as I found it very disturbing.



I agree with you on this, maybe some of them are irrelevant but not all of them are and you have ignored other symbols and picked on that one . There are other posters who have picked up on symbolism in raw food on other threads such as here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2659




I have come to the conclusion that the symbols in themselves are not satanic. It is the intent with which they are used that makes the difference. You can use them for good or evil. William Cooper explained they are from the occult which just means hidden not satanic, they are neutral. William Cooper says this about it. At The Very Heart And Core Of The Secret Societies Lurks The Kabbalah, A Method Of Encoding The Secret Of The Ages The Ancient Knowledge And Information Through A System Of Mathematics And Numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjUJViB4PKw




I then discovered that it is when symbols used in reverse the intent is to work against the true human spiritual nature. This is what is regarded as satanic, ie pentagram when they are used in reverse which is how TPTB use them, they are regarded as working against true spiritual human nature and for example in this picture in this link shows how TPTB put the pentagram in reverse aspect into the street designs

The picture to the right shows http://www.magicmerkabahangel.com/goldenmean15.html how the streets were created to form an inverted pentagram, the sign of using Divine Energy in its reverse aspect ie; for personal power. This is why this use of symbos is believed by many to be satanic because they are being used in reverse aspect.

They use these to keep our planet and human beings in a state of inbalance


In one of the shazzie picture with 5 pointed star the point of the star is not in reverse, therefore it is not satanic, but it is still an occult symbol, the point goes upwards, but if it points downward it means it is being used in reverse and is regarded as satanic.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm I.

Some of the other symbols that were pointed out like the half face with one eye, I have no idea what it means but I know that it is used widely by the music industry and there are many discussions on this forum on that.

It is clear the use of symbols in our society in advertising and with subliminals is to manipulate our consciousness.

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Hi Gaias

Great post !! Ticks boxes for me on so many fronts. Indeed only today I was in a Buddhist temple and the "swastika" sign is on display, and it got me thinking who "they" are using these symbols for the own, demonic, personal power-ed ends.

You just have to look at EVERY mainstream advertising with regards to selling clothes, just look at how often you will see a pyramid in the pictures, the classic "t-cup" pose, is just really counter or clock, wise, pyramid, not to mention the way the legs are held open...it is EVERYWHERE...

It's just unsettling to see our raw food "heros" using the same symbolism the mainstream media use, it just smells to me that they have "sold out". I also believe that for the likes of Wolfe and Shazzie, because they have become so popular it is highly unlikely (not saying for DEFINATE) that they sold out (i.e. came to the attention of the "club" ) and have been using them for the club's own ends. Alot of the time it's not through choice that these figures will sell out, but have been co-ersed in some way so there is an offer "they cannot refuse.."

It was the likes of Wolfe and Shazzie (and others) that inspired me in my raw quest so I do have to give them alot of thanks, but it's like the child who starts to grow up, in the beginning we may find something fascinating and it tells a truth to us, but the more we grow the more we enquire and we find that that very thing that inspired us, doesn't suit our needs anymore and we move on, I feel personally that the likes of Shazzie et al, have served their purpose now I am old enough and wise enough to find out what really is right for ME and through that I can help others that are on a wavelength similar to mine. We all get attracted to certain teachers, but that teacher moves on from our consciousness and other teachers appear.

I am not saying these people are all bad, as my previous posts suggest, I just wish they were as authentic as they make out to be, but in MY OWN, PERSONAL OPINION, I fear they are not.

:(

[kiwimaj]

Shazzie says:

"As banks collapse, due to money not actually being real, the power of the few is slipping away. Now is the time for real power, the power in our hearts, to shine brighter than ever. White patriarchal damaged-left-brain rule is over. This world is ours again, let’s love it (and ourselves) back to life."

Who is this nutcase talking about? Everybody knows that jews own the majority of the banks and run the world economy not white men. Is she really this hateful and racist? It sounds like "the club" has not only sold-out but they have become racist too or maybe they were just hiding that from their gullible audience. Hey, my dad's white you ditz, Shazzie and he's a great guy. I would pick him over YOUR rule any day of the week. I think you got that backwards. It's the right brain idiocy of yours and David Wolfe and all of you charlatans that needs to end!

Great post there rant, keep up the interesting postings !

:)

[kiwimaj]

Calling people anti semitic is a trick that is used as an Israel Minister admitted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA[/QUOTE]

OH MY GOD...right from the horses mouth...

ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL !!

:eek:

[kiwimaj]

And your point is??!!!

This thread started as just an interesting non hateful observation about raw gurus and symbols used and an interesting observaton they seem to be all or almost all jewish, that is all but this turned into a vitriolic hateful aggressive attack calling people anti jewish or anti semitic. weird

.



First off all you should to do some research into Uri Geller. He admits he is an expert in mind manipulation and hypnosis techniques he is also an ex paratrooper , mossad( I know he seems too dumb to be the military's creme de la creme, so that is a surprise but it is true) who admits he has killed people, you are clearly fine with that, but I'm not. For your information, Uri Geller is involved with the CIA

http://66.221.71.68/nypr.htm

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/40621

No one has condemned anyone making money or a living from raw foods, this is predjudiced presumption, and the only person doing the attacking from my perspective was what appears to be shazzie's altar ego Kristin

I do have a concern with people marketing themselves as Gurus who think they are God's gift to the planet and who feel they should have status and worship as if they are the ones solely responsible for offering the world raw food rather than thanking our creator and the earth for such abundant offerings. It is the earth and our Creator we should be thanking for wonderful abundance of raw foods not Raw food Guru's, this is very cult like in my opinion.

I was into Raw foods long before Raw Food Gurus came along and corrupted what raw food was actually about.

I also do have a problem with raw cacao being marketed as a health food as this is not honest and it is not a health food. It is not honest to market it as such. Quite a lot of raw foodies have become ill, agitated, aggressive etc and developed kidney problems from high use of raw cacao.

David Wolfe and shazzie marketed this product knowing full well it was not a health food and caused problems due to the research Jeremy Saffron did on it Paul Nison has been very vocal about this on his site as Jeremy is a friend of his. Some people have a problem with those ethics. I do like David Wolfe but I don't think he is very ethical IMO

http://www.paulnison.com/enewsletter.htm?a=105



http://files.meetup.com/306489/Is%20Raw%20Cacao%20a%20Superfood%20or%20Harmful%20 Stimulant.pdf

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You are the one accusing others yet again if what you are doing yourself, there are no attacks on anyone (apart from attacks on me and the OP being called anti jewish anti semitic label ,mentally ill , and other insults, this is very spiritual I must say)just observations, you are the one being predjudiced. To observe as OP did that most raw gurus are jews is not anti semitic, or anti jewish, it is an observation, that is all. You do not know the meaning of the word, my jewish partner has been exposed to anti semitism, and this isn't it believe me. You wouldn't call someone anti catholic if they mentioned priests were catholic, you also don't call them anti catholic if they critcise the catholic mafiosa, any more than you criticise some for being anti italian if they criticise the Italian mafia. But if you mention Rockerfeller or Rothschild owning the federal reserve or the media, and funding wars ...hey your anti semitic, this is deeply disturbing.

I do not need to criticise David Rockerfeller he admits what he is doing himself





Also another interesting observation is that David Rockerfeller funded the New age movement, and the creation of the Hare Krisna movement.

Also freemasonry originated from the essene religion.

http://www.co-masonry.org/History/Essenes.aspx



I've also done a little research into the Vatican involvement in NWO and it is funny because I don't get called anti catholic for making equal observations.

My husband is half jewish, and he knows what anti semitism is, and this is not it. I have many friends who are jewish and they are also against zionism. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a political movement.Calling people anti jewish or anti semitic is offensive, and if you are using these labels you have fallen into the divisory political tactic trap.

Calling people anti semitic is a trick that is used as an Israel Minister admitted.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA

FANTASTIC THREAD there Gaias, you really have done your research, proper, concise, polite and LOGICAL..I did not know Geller was in Mosad, maybe that would explain why he is still "rocking n rolling" after all these years. I remember him on NZ tv when I was a kid and that was MANY years ago...how does he keep so young...I wonder...:rolleyes:

You are SO RIGHT with regards to your comments about "anti-semitism" indeed, when you use that word you are (most probably) a completely un-educated person as to the true meaning of that word and would most probably NOT use it if you had an ounce of spiritual WISDOM about you..tut tut..kirsten, kristen, whatever..:rolleyes:

Again, we are not anti-jew, we are anti people that proport to be one thing when there is another agenda going, maybe not necessarily about money, but more about doing the puppet master's deeds, whatever THAT maybe...:cool:

[the white knight]

Shazzie says:

"As banks collapse, due to money not actually being real, the power of the few is slipping away. Now is the time for real power, the power in our hearts, to shine brighter than ever. White patriarchal damaged-left-brain rule is over. This world is ours again, let’s love it (and ourselves) back to life."

Who is this nutcase talking about? Everybody knows that jews own the majority of the banks and run the world economy not white men. Is she really this hateful and racist? It sounds like "the club" has not only sold-out but they have become racist too or maybe they were just hiding that from their gullible audience. Hey, my dad's white you ditz, Shazzie and he's a great guy. I would pick him over YOUR rule any day of the week. I think you got that backwards. It's the right brain idiocy of yours and David Wolfe and all of you charlatans that needs to end!

Not being funny but who the fuck is Shazzie ??:confused:

[nongeekywebdude]

Raw Food Leaders, have they sold out??

generally speaking the more money involved in an industry, the higher the levels of corruption, lies, manipulation, price fixing and profiteering.
>
>
and their is shitloads of money involved in supplements, new age/spriritual movements, alternative health and "truth" movements etc etc:)

[horalius]

I want to express my gratitude about the thread posters spending some time with much needed research to out those who promote a 'health' agenda when really there is a darker agenda at work whether they realize it or not

And to the constant, and tired, claims of 'anti-semitic':
Judaism is a mindset. It is an ideology. It is not a race of people, nor is it a proper religion; more like a cult with a nice gloss. I have jewish relatives and ancestors so don't give me your crap about 'anti-semitic': it won't work, ever. Never did and I'm thankful for at least having some near blood relations who are/were jewish so I could really look into this thing and not be impeded by goyish fears of being considered 'anti-semitic' for just asking questions. Geesh.

Criminals need to use keywords like 'anti-semitic' to attempt to scare others from looking into the truth. 'Anti-semitic' literally means anti-arabic, and moving your mixed-breed 'ashkenazi' troop of veiled thieves from southern russia through russia to germany and throughout the world, then relocating to the middle-east and learning modern hebrew does not make you semitic you dolts! The criminals using that phrase know this. I am speaking to all the other, non-criminal people claiming to be jews out there who are useful dupes for your master's programs. To them you are merely the lesser brethern, not my words, theirs. You are the nice paint on their ugly house. They don't care about you! You are just a rung above goyim and certainly a rung beneath them.


Hey goy- fear is a variation of the aramaic word for sin. Fear is sin. If you're fearin', your sinnin'. So cut that s/&t out.

'Wolfe' and 'Shazzie' and all these other people with made-up names* have an agenda, whether they realize it or not. When one reads books like translations of the 'Book of Enoch' which were prohibited for the goy and lesser brethren, you find out there is a whole world out there of disembodied pain parasites and pain farmers (using their hosts to sell you coca beans, for instance), who are not the personalities 'david (the divider)' or 'shazzie' themselves (hence, forgiveness) nor the physical body; they are the disembodied entities of the seraphim, the fallen Watchers, angels. They have long since been physically banished from this world, however a man, who has lost his way and the significant connection with the law, and has ignorance of them, leaves himself wide open for penetration. Judaism, in particular the priests, and the other religions which have been invaded by the agents of lucifer, tries to keep this one fact hidden. The thing an egregore hates the most is exposure.

So,

find forgiveness in your heart for 'shazzie' and 'wolfe', for they know not what they do.

and meanwhile, be 'sharp(mindful) as serpents and innocent (as child-like) as a dove'. That's probably a bad translation.., it's not a literal language.

[gaias child]

Thank you for your excellent post horalius.

Iwant to express my gratitude about the thread posters spending some time with much needed research to out those who promote a 'health' agenda when really there is a darker agenda at work whether they realize it or not



Yes there is definitely a darker agenda on the "health" agenda

David Wolfe's Sunfood is now owned by Monsanto Kin

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115222&highlight=sunfood+owned+monsanto

Supplements are owned by Pharma companies and have toxic exipients in them which will just poison people another way. The Carlyle group recently bought supplement maker NBTY who makes supplements for companies such as Solgar, NBTY used to be owned by Wyeth which used to be owned by Pfizer. Pfizer have connections with Nazi chemical maker IG Farben who manufacture the chemcials zyclon B to kill people

Karol Wojtyla aka Pope John Paul ll used to be a sales person for IG Farben (the complex web they all weave)


http://www.vaticanassassinsarchive.com/THE_SALESMAN_AND_A_CHEMIST_WHO_BECAME_POPE.pdf



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125601&highlight=carlye+group+buy+vitamin+company

Most so called "health" companies are owned by large corporates ie green and blacks owned by cadbury's and toms of maines "health" toothpaste owned by colgate-palmolive.

I've not read the book of enoch ,but I've got one that I think is called the keys of enoch, must have a re read of that

[gaias child]

generally speaking the more money involved in an industry, the higher the levels of corruption, lies, manipulation, price fixing and profiteering.
>
>
and their is shitloads of money involved in supplements, new age/spriritual movements, alternative health and "truth" movements etc etc:)

too true!!

[gaias child]

Hi Gaias

Great post !! Ticks boxes for me on so many fronts. Indeed only today I was in a Buddhist temple and the "swastika" sign is on display, and it got me thinking who "they" are using these symbols for the own, demonic, personal power-ed ends.

You just have to look at EVERY mainstream advertising with regards to selling clothes, just look at how often you will see a pyramid in the pictures, the classic "t-cup" pose, is just really counter or clock, wise, pyramid, not to mention the way the legs are held open...it is EVERYWHERE...

It's just unsettling to see our raw food "heros" using the same symbolism the mainstream media use, it just smells to me that they have "sold out". I also believe that for the likes of Wolfe and Shazzie, because they have become so popular it is highly unlikely (not saying for DEFINATE) that they sold out (i.e. came to the attention of the "club" ) and have been using them for the club's own ends. Alot of the time it's not through choice that these figures will sell out, but have been co-ersed in some way so there is an offer "they cannot refuse.."

It was the likes of Wolfe and Shazzie (and others) that inspired me in my raw quest so I do have to give them alot of thanks, but it's like the child who starts to grow up, in the beginning we may find something fascinating and it tells a truth to us, but the more we grow the more we enquire and we find that that very thing that inspired us, doesn't suit our needs anymore and we move on, I feel personally that the likes of Shazzie et al, have served their purpose now I am old enough and wise enough to find out what really is right for ME and through that I can help others that are on a wavelength similar to mine. We all get attracted to certain teachers, but that teacher moves on from our consciousness and other teachers appear.

I am not saying these people are all bad, as my previous posts suggest, I just wish they were as authentic as they make out to be, but in MY OWN, PERSONAL OPINION, I fear they are not.

:(

Thanks for this thread kiwimaj if it was not for this thread it would not have drawn out all of this information,so thank you so much

[kiwimaj]

I want to express my gratitude about the thread posters spending some time with much needed research to out those who promote a 'health' agenda when really there is a darker agenda at work whether they realize it or not

And to the constant, and tired, claims of 'anti-semitic':
Judaism is a mindset. It is an ideology. It is not a race of people, nor is it a proper religion; more like a cult with a nice gloss. I have jewish relatives and ancestors so don't give me your crap about 'anti-semitic': it won't work, ever. Never did and I'm thankful for at least having some near blood relations who are/were jewish so I could really look into this thing and not be impeded by goyish fears of being considered 'anti-semitic' for just asking questions. Geesh.

Criminals need to use keywords like 'anti-semitic' to attempt to scare others from looking into the truth. 'Anti-semitic' literally means anti-arabic, and moving your mixed-breed 'ashkenazi' troop of veiled thieves from southern russia through russia to germany and throughout the world, then relocating to the middle-east and learning modern hebrew does not make you semitic you dolts! The criminals using that phrase know this. I am speaking to all the other, non-criminal people claiming to be jews out there who are useful dupes for your master's programs. To them you are merely the lesser brethern, not my words, theirs. You are the nice paint on their ugly house. They don't care about you! You are just a rung above goyim and certainly a rung beneath them.


Hey goy- fear is a variation of the aramaic word for sin. Fear is sin. If you're fearin', your sinnin'. So cut that s/&t out.

'Wolfe' and 'Shazzie' and all these other people with made-up names* have an agenda, whether they realize it or not. When one reads books like translations of the 'Book of Enoch' which were prohibited for the goy and lesser brethren, you find out there is a whole world out there of disembodied pain parasites and pain farmers (using their hosts to sell you coca beans, for instance), who are not the personalities 'david (the divider)' or 'shazzie' themselves (hence, forgiveness) nor the physical body; they are the disembodied entities of the seraphim, the fallen Watchers, angels. They have long since been physically banished from this world, however a man, who has lost his way and the significant connection with the law, and has ignorance of them, leaves himself wide open for penetration. Judaism, in particular the priests, and the other religions which have been invaded by the agents of lucifer, tries to keep this one fact hidden. The thing an egregore hates the most is exposure.

So,

find forgiveness in your heart for 'shazzie' and 'wolfe', for they know not what they do.

and meanwhile, be 'sharp(mindful) as serpents and innocent (as child-like) as a dove'. That's probably a bad translation.., it's not a literal language.

Thanx horalius for your very insightful and intelligent reply.

Not often do we get the chance to read words such as yours, so thank you for your kind support of this thread...Thank goodness our observations have not all met with derision and that alot of people can actually see where we are coming from.

It's about observation. If you were to see a flock of star spangled banner'd flying pigs soaring down the high street, do we report it because that is actually what we saw or do we keep our mouth shut for fear of certain people telling us we are mad?

I will say again, teaching the world about raw veganism is not about legalised drug peddling or making out something is "healthy" when quite clearly it is not when the only reason they say it is is to make themselves wealthy.

Pass me the wheatgrass shots...PLEASE !!

:cool:

[kiwimaj]

Thanks for this thread kiwimaj if it was not for this thread it would not have drawn out all of this information,so thank you so much

My pleasure Gaias ! Thanks to you also for your continuing contribution and support, your words have been really insightful and informative and..grown up !

Cheerz !

:)

[springrain]

David Wolfe talked about the spiritual battle against the Illuminati in his book Amazing Grace, that he co-authored with Nick Goode.

It was actually the first time I'd ever heard of it.

I've also seen YouTube videos of his that talk about the freedom of the human race depending upon removing the banking cartels from power.

He was my first step into awakening- if he's disinfo, he's doing a pretty shoddy job :)

[gaias child]

Hi springrain

So what do you think about DW going into business with Monsanto kin, Doug Harbison son of CEO of Monsanto, who now owns sunfood.

Did you read the thread, what about him plagiarising a book which is in the first page of this thread and has had the others ghost written. Sunfood Diet Success System and Eating for Beauty

So basically he went round the world being an expert and becoming famous on the back of a plagiarised book whilst the real author died in an Iranian prison,the real author also wrote that book to be distributed for free

That is criminal and fraudulent and pretty much exposes a person's character

I find it quite humourous that people who can't write their own books go around selling themselves as gurus . It's absurd - especially in seeing how people follow these authors and purchase everything (mostly junk) the authors sell.

Raw superfoods are freshly picked fruits vegetables, wild foods and nuts and seeds and a few other things,for variety not a load of chocolate and processed cooked foods passed off as raw,which the true purpose of is to line their pockets and not help your health

If he is so spiritual why not be truthful about it, nothing wrong with having a ghost writer but he pretends he wrote them.


Also he sold raw cacao as a superfood , when it was not even raw, as well as other products that are cooked at high temperatures there is only one cacao that is raw, but it is not a health or super food



check out these links for further info

http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/monsanto-and-nutrasweet-and?x=1&id=1407416%3ATopic%3A1335785&page=1#comment

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115222

I feel sorry for DW , and am quite concerned about him,I think he has seriously lost his way. I think it is possible he was set up on the unethical monsanto takeover, however the other information is true, it is a bit rich to defend this unethical type of behaviour

after all to use DW own words he says you attract certain people into your life by what you put out, and he attracted the son of CEO of Monsanto, so what does that say.

[springrain]

Hi springrain

So what do you think about DW going into business with Monsanto kin, Doug Harbison son of CEO of Monsanto, who now owns sunfood.

Did you read the thread, what about him plagiarising a book which is in the first page of this thread and has had the others ghost written. Sunfood Diet Success System and Eating for Beauty

So basically he went round the world being an expert and becoming famous on the back of a plagiarised book whilst the real author died in an Iranian prison,the real author also wrote that book to be distributed for free

That is criminal and fraudulent and pretty much exposes a person's character

I find it quite humourous that people who can't write their own books go around selling themselves as gurus . It's absurd - especially in seeing how people follow these authors and purchase everything (mostly junk) the authors sell.

Raw superfoods are freshly picked fruits vegetables, wild foods and nuts and seeds and a few other things,for variety not a load of chocolate and processed cooked foods passed off as raw,which the true purpose of is to line their pockets and not help your health

If he is so spiritual why not be truthful about it, nothing wrong with having a ghost writer but he pretends he wrote them.


Also he sold raw cacao as a superfood , when it was not even raw, as well as other products that are cooked at high temperatures there is only one cacao that is raw, but it is not a health or super food



check out these links for further info

http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/monsanto-and-nutrasweet-and?x=1&id=1407416%3ATopic%3A1335785&page=1#comment

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115222

I feel sorry for DW , and am quite concerned about him,I think he has seriously lost his way. I think it is possible he was set up on the unethical monsanto takeover, however the other information is true, it is a bit rich to defend this unethical type of behaviour

after all to use DW own words he says you attract certain people into your life by what you put out, and he attracted the son of CEO of Monsanto, so what does that say.

I was pretty astounded a month or so ago when I learned the news that David wasn't affiliated with Sunfood anymore. I couldn't figure out why he wouldn't say anything about it publicly, and I saw some people online speculating that he might be prevented from addressing it because of legal issues (gag order). Then a week or so ago I saw a YouTube video of his that directed me to his new website, Sacred Chocolate. On that site, he made it clear that there was a break from the Sunfood company and that "one of the reasons" was a personal disagreement with the other owner over agave nectar. :confused: So was he forced out or not... my instinct would be yes, but what a strange comment for him to make , if so?

about him going into business with Doug in the first place- no that doesn't look good, but I know squat about business. Maybe he lacked the capital to either run or properly expand a business and felt he needed financial backing that he could get no other way. ?


About him and other raw food gurus selling food that isn't really raw... this part is news to me. How is this known? I spent a lot of money at Sunfood and if what I ate wasn't raw I would like to know. I'm pretty sure that it was raw because my body went through the raw detox-- tooth sensitivity and everything. If I had secretly still been eating a lot of cooked food, I doubt my body (and spirit) would have transitioned. When I was on a cooked food diet I was an atheist, and read Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, etc. After being raw for 6 months I found myself drawn to other influences... from 2012 to David Wilcock, and from Wilcock to David Icke. My mind and heart have rapidly expanded to consider viewpoints that I would have automatically dismissed not too long ago. I still don't believe everything I see, of course, but I no longer have that arrogant knee-jerk reaction that I had where I refused to consider other possibilities. Since I got my raw start from David Wolfe, I sort of have him to thank for the chain of events that lead me here, so there is that gratitude mixed in with trepidation over whatever else he may have done. I don't want to defend David Wolfe if he is wrong, but I have seen so much incredible wisdom from him, largely from YouTube videos that I don't believe are scripted or written by other people.

okay, I just checked back and read about half of the article from this link:

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html

I'll read the rest when I have more time, but it definitely doesn't look good :(

I hope that it's a dumb (wrong) thing that David did when he was in his 20s that he would not do again :(

I trust his sincerity in the subject matter even as the absolute truth of his personal character continues to elude me.

I appreciate this thread. Thinking and reconsidering are important, and the way that I want to live my life.

[nongeekywebdude]

the only real "superfoods" that can be relied on are those you pick from the plants yourself

all the exotic berries and amazonian herbs/orgasmic cocao etc are unneccessary and probably bogus

In temperate climates like the USA and UK "superfoods" are free and readily available for most of the year - dont waste your money on expensive guru products which are probably bullshit anyway. IMHO any true health "guru" would be focussed on teaching everyone how to find free, natural foods - not selling tons of "product".

[gaias child]

I was pretty astounded a month or so ago when I learned the news that David wasn't affiliated with Sunfood anymore. I couldn't figure out why he wouldn't say anything about it publicly, and I saw some people online speculating that he might be prevented from addressing it because of legal issues (gag order). Then a week or so ago I saw a YouTube video of his that directed me to his new website, Sacred Chocolate. On that site, he made it clear that there was a break from the Sunfood company and that "one of the reasons" was a personal disagreement with the other owner over agave nectar. :confused: So was he forced out or not... my instinct would be yes, but what a strange comment for him to make , if so?

about him going into business with Doug in the first place- no that doesn't look good, but I know squat about business. Maybe he lacked the capital to either run or properly expand a business and felt he needed financial backing that he could get no other way. ?


About him and other raw food gurus selling food that isn't really raw... this part is news to me. How is this known? I spent a lot of money at Sunfood and if what I ate wasn't raw I would like to know. I'm pretty sure that it was raw because my body went through the raw detox-- tooth sensitivity and everything. If I had secretly still been eating a lot of cooked food, I doubt my body (and spirit) would have transitioned. When I was on a cooked food diet I was an atheist, and read Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, etc. After being raw for 6 months I found myself drawn to other influences... from 2012 to David Wilcock, and from Wilcock to David Icke. My mind and heart have rapidly expanded to consider viewpoints that I would have automatically dismissed not too long ago. I still don't believe everything I see, of course, but I no longer have that arrogant knee-jerk reaction that I had where I refused to consider other possibilities. Since I got my raw start from David Wolfe, I sort of have him to thank for the chain of events that lead me here, so there is that gratitude mixed in with trepidation over whatever else he may have done. I don't want to defend David Wolfe if he is wrong, but I have seen so much incredible wisdom from him, largely from YouTube videos that I don't believe are scripted or written by other people.

okay, I just checked back and read about half of the article from this link:

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20056.html

I'll read the rest when I have more time, but it definitely doesn't look good :(

I hope that it's a dumb (wrong) thing that David did when he was in his 20s that he would not do again :(

I trust his sincerity in the subject matter even as the absolute truth of his personal character continues to elude me.

I appreciate this thread. Thinking and reconsidering are important, and the way that I want to live my life.



yes you probably detoxed, because it was better than you previous diet but it is now common knowledge was not food was not raw ,due to the suppliers coming out and admitting it. it is in the two links I placed. If you read all the information thoroughly you will have the information you need. You can contact the person for further info.


http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/monsanto-and-nutrasweet-and?x=1&id=1407416%3ATopic%3A1335785&page=1#comments

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115222

[springrain]

yes you probably detoxed, because it was better than you previous diet but it is now common knowledge was not food was not raw ,due to the suppliers coming out and admitting it. it is in the two links I placed. If you read all the information thoroughly you will have the information you need. You can contact the person for further info.


http://www.giveittomeraw.com/forum/topics/monsanto-and-nutrasweet-and?x=1&id=1407416%3ATopic%3A1335785&page=1#comments

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115222

thanks for the links, gaias child. That is something I'm going to follow up on :)

[gaias child]

You are welcome spring rain.

I was also pretty shocked at finding out that David Wolfe father Dr. Gerald Wolfe is in jail for shooting his second wife, Maureen Wolfe in the head twice in 1998


http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/access/51942999.html?dids=51942999:51942999&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Mar+25%2C+2000&author=J.+Harry+Jones&pub=The+San+Diego+Union+-+Tribune&desc=Poway+man+pleads+guilty+in+wife

retired Poway osteopath admitted yesterday that he shot his wife twice in the head inside the couple's million-dollar gated Poway home nearly 16 months ago.

Gerald L. Wolfe, 61, pleaded guilty in San Diego Superior Court to voluntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of his wife, Maureen Wolfe, 41, on Nov. 30, 1998. He is being held in County Jail in lieu of $3 million bail.




http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/access/1244914791.html?dids=1244914791:1244914791&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Ap

In laying the groundwork for the defense, [Jack Earley] also persuaded Judge Michael Wellington to reduce Wolfe's bail from $5 million to $3 million. Wolfe has been held in County Jail since the shooting.

[Jill Schall] said there are rumors that Wolfe owns property in Iran and has a safety deposit box somewhere in Europe, and the prosecutor said Wolfe's brothers, his ex-wife and his sons from his first marriage "cleaned out" the couple's home after the shooting.

Prosecutors said [Maureen Wolfe] was killed when she came home about 1 a.m. after visiting a male friend with whom she had been having an affair. Police said Wolfe had known about the affair for months

[gaias child]

Also found out that David Wolfe father is not Iranian as he says but German so the name was most likely originally Wolff. His mother was persian though


... I also came across this link for a book by David Wolfe, which has the 'order out of chaos' theme prevalent within the mason's creed ...



Amazing Grace by David Wolfe and Nick Good


Out of confusion and chaos of a world in utter transformation, this book delivers a whole new paradigm of possibility guaranteed to touch your heart and leave you wondering if this is fiction or non-fiction. Fantasies can come become fact.

http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/a ... wolfe.html

also he used this masonic term again about creating a vortex of order out of chaos in his foreword of John McCabe Sunfood living book.