Anti Salvia propaganda in the Sun

[fratoue]

Here's another hit piece on Salvia and headshops in general by the arseholes in the Sun. I can't believe this paper is the biggest selling one in Ireland and the UK. The mind boggles. Any sort of enlightening drug or event and they have their pathetic goons writing terrible slanderous propaganda about it. Nasty fuckers.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2643291/Terrifying-effects-of-legal-drug-Salvia-posted-on-YouTube.html

[hollo]

with all due respect to the sun - thats the biggest load of bullshit ever!!!

the reason imo that its legal is that there are no after effects at all!!
(probably due to the was salvinorin_a works differently than other drugs)

trying to get it made illegal because "There has been a spike in its popularity because of the internet and YouTube" is so retarded


"Just because it's legal doesn't mean it won't do you harm" is even more retarded scaremongering and just isnt true!

best get your salvia plants before the corrupt "no brain" hand of supposed justice points this way - ggrr im so angry now!! :mad:

[ricko]

SUN = Selling Useless News

[fratoue]

with all due respect to the sun - thats the biggest load of bullshit ever!!!

the reason imo that its legal is that there are no after effects at all!!
(probably due to the was salvinorin_a works differently than other drugs)

trying to get it made illegal because "There has been a spike in its popularity because of the internet and YouTube" is so retarded


"Just because it's legal doesn't mean it won't do you harm" is even more retarded scaremongering and just isnt true!

best get your salvia plants before the corrupt "no brain" hand of supposed justice points this way - ggrr im so angry now!! :mad:


Yep get the Salvia in before it's banned; sigh. I'm also shocked to see BZP pills banned in the UK cos all I ever felt on them was peace and love; which is of course the last thing the TPTB want anyone to feel!

[hollo]

also i dont understand how "cause of death - salvia" could have been on his death certificate just because he left the message ...

"Salvia allows us to give up our senses and wander in time and space."

some ppl rly need to reconnect with what is going on as i feel they are running down the bait ridden nwo path with glee

- besides who is anyone else to tell me what i can and cant do to my body?
its a herb ffs :(

problem reaction solution anyone?

[whiterain]

wars frightening too. shame their isnt such anti war propaganda in these shitrags tho

[wildhorse]

[QUOTE=hollo;1281066]"Just because it's legal doesn't mean it won't do you harm" is even more retarded scaremongering and just isnt true!QUOTE]

yeah, and just because its fun doesnt mean its harmful

do they not see their own arguements can be used against them? :rolleyes:

if anything, think I might go buy a bag or two, try it out :D

sounds fun ;)

[citroen999]

i blame this cunt......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ljxk3/Can_I_Get_High_Legally/

salvia is the most mind blowing experience i have ever done...

try it before its banned so you can tell your grandkids

[wildhorse]

i also guess they dont want ppl having experiences like this...

Reality like a scroll
by Sam

I have been hearing about salvia for a while. I've only tried weed three times but it was a hit or so and thats it every time I smoked. I am a hookah nut though, but that's really nothing to mention. Anyway.

So one day I was bored, and I remembered that scene on Zoolander were they started tripping from a certain tea. Pretty cool huh? Well I did an internet search and I found a site for Salvia. I read about it and I ordered some. It came in the mail and my step-dad and I tried it. We made some of it into tea and nothing happened accept that we both got very tired. It was kinda dumb and it tasted like crap. Very nasty. So we concluded that it was just hype and we forgot about it.

About six months later I was getting curious about it again. I wrote to the web site about my experience and they said to smoke it like you would smoke weed. So, I ordered some. I didn't even mess with the 10x that was advised because I thought it wouldn't do anything. So I ordered the 20x. I received it in the mail. I bought a glass pipe.

That night I packed a bowl. I cleared it. I was outside at night by myself. I held the smoke in for 30 seconds. Nothing really happened so I was going to take in another hit and half way through the hit everything just blacked out.

I guess I dropped my pipe because I picked it up later once I realized it wasn't in my hand. i started looking around and although no-one was there with me. I felt that there were a ton of people around me. I felt like my family, alive and dead, were all around me.

I couldn't really see them very clearly. I could just hear there presence. Very weird. then I felt like I was in front of my house on the farm that I grew up on when I was a kid. My mom was on the porch of the farm house and she was calling me and she was asking me if I was alright. I remember being able to feel what was going on around me. I felt the normal feelings of walking around I was just not seeing what was really there. I then realized that the pipe I had was not in my hand. So I got on the ground and tried to feel around for it on the ground. I couldn't see anything that was REALLY there. All I saw were pixels of black and dark blue. up was down. Down was up. right was left and left was right. Everything was all messed up accept what I could feel with my hands and body. There was no sense of time either.

So then I tried it again about a week later. I went outside and sat in a lawn chair. I did the same thing. I held in the first hit about 45 seconds. Then instead of going blank I remembered what happened last time but I had forgotten. So weird, but it also happened again. I was talking to someone in front of my old farm house. I think it was my mom again. Then mid sentence reality started rolling up like a scroll. I was confused but then everything started to not matter at all. My job, My girlfriend, my car, my guitar, the bug on the ground, the world trade center.....etc. It was all being rolled up into a 2D scroll. My mom was warping with the scroll and her voice started slowing like a record player that just got unplugged but was allowed to keep putting out sound for a few seconds. I then wanted to get away form this thing that was ending everything. It felt like God was done with everything and he was wrapping it all up. It was something that I couldn't help from happening. Then I grew and the scroll was shrinking and I could still see everything inside but I wasn't getting wrapped up in it. I was holding it back from rolling me up in it. I grabbed onto the edges. I could feel the edges with my hands. When I grabbed onto the edges I looked around and I could see nothing but darkness and stars. This was so real. This vision was my reality. When I came to I looked around were I was feeling he edges and there was nothing there so it was all in my head. I couldn't tell I was anywhere else. I couldn't feel my mouth either. I felt like I couldn't breath but I could after I reminded myself to breath. Then It started to fade away as I found myself walking around in my back yard. For some reason I can't hold still when ever I do this. I can't just relax and stay put in my chair or in a sitting position.

I can't say this all felt very good. It's not cool when all the goals and plans you have and everyone you care about gets put into a scroll that is going to be put on a shelf on some gods library. That's what it felt like. It kinda scared me. I'm going to do this again but I think I'm going to do it in some other place. And I'm not going to do it in the dark anymore.

I think that the thing I learned from this was that everything really is an illusion. It showed me that everything really is very temporary. We are are all one. This is what I've been studying lately and instead of intellectually knowing it I actually felt it. Who knows what's on the other side of reality.
Salvia.net


ppl figuring it out...that will never do :rolleyes:

[hollo]

if anything, think I might go buy a bag or two, try it out :D

sounds fun ;)

i rly rly rly recomend it!!! u should probably start with 20x but be prepared for going into the rabbit hole - ive tried weed/coke/etc but nothing clears the mind/exposes the demons like this :)

1st of all you get the wa wa effect that feels like its pulsing through your system (this can be very strangly comforting as its with every trip - like an old friend you are revisiting :))

then things start to bend suggestively and your mind thinks about a possibility and gets drawn into it - some things seem so far away with all the colours merging and textures changing then it will go fully into the trip...

i have been places on salvia that felt so right but would be unreachable normaly because of the vibration change - it was very green literaly!

and afterwards pls share your experience on this forum thanks :D

[wildhorse]

oh i intend to ;)

so bong/joint/tincture....whadda ya reckon ?

:cool:

Ahimsa!

[frase]

Sounds terrifying!!!
I'll give it a miss......Not into this tripping business.
Each to their own and all that.....

[somewarez]

oh i intend to ;)

so bong/joint/tincture....whadda ya reckon ?

:cool:

Ahimsa!

Bong or Pipe, it won't work in a J. Do some research before use, its very very strong even in its natural form let alone concentrate! Beware ;) or Be aware ;)

I could post a long winded defence of this plant, but it won't make any difference to their fear of a sage (teaching) plant (entity)


SW

[hollo]

1st time i tried it was in a "joint" of 20x with a bit of tabacco
although i didnt trip i went rly light then rly heavy/sank into the chair and couldnt stop laughing but bong is the best way imo

[deem]

The Sun love a good old fashioned witchhunt. If it's harmless fun, it'l be blown out of all preportion.:D

[lewi]

How will they inforce the law will there be Salvia house raids targeting growers will there be a prison sentence or fines how will police know what it is your smoking is it just me or is it a complete joke and waste of time and taxpayers money and is tobacco less dangerous than salvia if the answer is no why is it not illegal.

[kasalt]

oh i intend to ;)

so bong/joint/tincture....whadda ya reckon ?

My advice...don't bother with the tincture. First of all, you have to hold it under your tongue for up to 15 minutes or more (it is absorbed sublingually), which is impossible for most people--and unpleasant for those who can. Short of holding it in your mouth for the full 15 minutes, you can do it in 5 minute intervals and then swallow or spit out, but this wastes the tincture because you use 3 times as much as you would otherwise. And even the 5-minute interval option is difficult because tincture is mostly alcohol. It will give you an alcohol burn on the insides of your mouth.

I tried the 5 minute interval option and was quite disappointed. It's effects were very mild and I got quite a burn from it, which took 4-5 days to heal completely.

Long story short, smoke some 20X in a bong...;)

[hagbard_celine]

This is just like when the banned LSD in the 60's.:(:rolleyes:

They're not doing it out of concern for our health!:p Salvia Divinorum is sometimes called an "entheogenic", which means "creator of the God within"; is it any wonder they want to outlkaw it!?:eek: I think they're more concerned that if we evolve spiritually through the use of these drugs we could become ungovernable!:cool:

No wonder Rupert Murdoch's news empire is in favour of the ban!:mad:

[wildhorse]

bong it is then guys :D

yeah that scaremongering really fucking got to me :rolleyes:

will be posting when I get the stuff....

*its amazing how I have heard about this but it never took my interest until now, but thats how my journeys been going, when I the student am ready, the teacher will appear*

guess this particualr teacher is a reel dude :cool: ;)

[farros]

You also have to blame the dickheads who think salvia is something you can take on a street corner while your sharing a bottle of cider with 5 mates.

I hope those who do take it really learn something more than 'ohh man im fucked'

[harryp2000]

I had a total out of body experience with salvia,mixing on my turntables wich wasnt the best time to do it but I had a revelationary experience, it blew me away totally beyond this Earthly realm or so it seemed, it felt like five minutes was eternity, I was just a point of energy, it was as though the salvia guided me through it all, i didnt try to fight it or anything just take me where it wanted me to go and had a thoughouly amazing experience.

I feel like with that it's helped me get a much deeper look at this Earth, univere and people/other beings way beyond the outer images we all have.

And can totally understand what David Icke and many other are talking about when theyre talking about energies and being we don't see with our five senses.

The governments just seem to be going around in circles with this and other chemicals but it's all a waste of time in my opinion, they could decriminalise everything and educate properly to teach the pro's and cons.

[blackster]

I have not tried any of the super strong versions but I have smoked dried salvia leaf a couple of times, a must say I got a very strange feeling felt like I was getting pulled and twisted, and one time I had a closed eye visual where I was stood leaning against a tree when in reality I was stood in my bedroom, then it felt like I got folded up like a deck chair lol.

There is a reason indigenous tribes around the world have used such herbs and plants for thousands of years. It opens your mind and spirit to different realties and beings, and they new this. Makes you think about the deforestation of millions of acres of rain forest "the home of most of the best enthogens" and the killing of indigenous tribes around the world. TPTB want this knowledge wiped out and kept from the people.

It pisses me off and imposes yet again on the free will of the human race to experience these things if they want to. Yes fair enough ban heroin and the so called dirty addictive drugs like crack ect, but plants and herbs that can enlighten ones consciousness should be allowed if you choose to experience them, but in a sensible controlled manner, not like the immature irresponsible people posting videos of themselves high as kite on the web. Those people are getting these gifts from the mother earth bad publicity.

I must admit the best hallucigen I have tried is a synthetic one though, good old lucy "L.S.D" :D literally ripped my 3rd eye open to different realms and realities, I saw beings and energy waves and all sorts of other amazing stuff was life changing ;)

[hagbard_celine]

I had a total out of body experience with salvia,mixing on my turntables wich wasnt the best time to do it but I had a revelationary experience, it blew me away totally beyond this Earthly realm or so it seemed, it felt like five minutes was eternity, I was just a point of energy, it was as though the salvia guided me through it all, i didnt try to fight it or anything just take me where it wanted me to go and had a thoughouly amazing experience.

I feel like with that it's helped me get a much deeper look at this Earth, univere and people/other beings way beyond the outer images we all have.



Sedition! How dare you! :mad:;)

You're not allowed to have experiences like that!

This world is all there is and you are a meaningless nobody! SAY IT!:D;)

[blackster]

Sedition! How dare you! :mad:;)

You're not allowed to have experiences like that!

This world is all there is and you are a meaningless nobody! SAY IT!:D;)

Quality :D

[blackster]

I had a total out of body experience with salvia,mixing on my turntables wich wasnt the best time to do it but I had a revelationary experience, it blew me away totally beyond this Earthly realm or so it seemed, it felt like five minutes was eternity, I was just a point of energy, it was as though the salvia guided me through it all, i didnt try to fight it or anything just take me where it wanted me to go and had a thoughouly amazing experience.

I feel like with that it's helped me get a much deeper look at this Earth, univere and people/other beings way beyond the outer images we all have.

And can totally understand what David Icke and many other are talking about when theyre talking about energies and being we don't see with our five senses.

The governments just seem to be going around in circles with this and other chemicals but it's all a waste of time in my opinion, they could decriminalise everything and educate properly to teach the pro's and cons.

I bet that was an amazing life changing experience for you :D

[harryp2000]

It definatly was and still is, I feel it was totally beneficial and positive, it was totally unexpected too although I was aware it was a strong plant with potent qualities to it after reading a little into it's history of use in Mexico.

I was having a mix on my turntables and thought i'd still be able to, but I was so wrong! I held the smoke in for about 30 seconds to a minute and blew out at the exact time the electro house record broke down and phazed out giving me a sweeping strange feeling, then I picked up this clear see through record and it appeared to melt into my hand so i dropped it.

I then felt this huge wind force which felt like it was flowing at 100 miles and hour or more which pushed me across my room which my brother and friend saw, then it was as though a portal opened up and I flew out of my body, all I was was a point of energy and consciousness.

It took me to a watery kind of realm through these immaterial structures it felt like I was being put through a large cylinder made up of small slices at one point.

I wasn't sure I'd come back to the room but didn't feel scared this place felt timeless.

Coming back to my body felt wonderful too, I just thought what the $##! had just happened!

I don't remeber all the trip because it was a few years ago but it was pretty amazing, mysterious and mind opening.

I see now how beautiful everything has been made naturally, how amazing it is to be alive that something huge outside ourselves designed this.

I'd any one wanting to try don't underestimate it at all and be prepared for anything, it'd be best to do it laying down and with someone you trust with you to over see you, you might not be aware of your body while your under the influence.

Don't be scared of anything that happens under it aslwell just accept and go with it!

[dmt head]

You also have to blame the dickheads who think salvia is something you can take on a street corner while your sharing a bottle of cider with 5 mates.

I hope those who do take it really learn something more than 'ohh man im fucked'

Aye exactly. I remember reading on this forum of a guy who would sell it outside the pub on a friday night and people would be queing up to get their hit, then go back in the pub and have a big laugh about it, the poster said he couldnt wait till that guy came back with saliva, think he was selling it for a fiver a hit, bloody idiots deserve to be ripped off.

And we can also blame all the twats who post videos of themselves taking it, doesnt do salvia any favours. I dont get these psychedelic voyeurs :confused:

[mountainwarrior]

delusional thinking if you think salvia = enlightenment

go look at every single one of the retards who do salvia on youtube

they all have one thing in common, they all look like retards.

you do realize david icke doesn't do drugs?

he did ayahuasca once or twice and shrooms 1 time. thats all he's done in his life, he's never even so much as smoked a joint.

the lot of you i bet are high a good majority of your waking life and think you're enlightened.

it's called escapism

not to mention you can be heavily and easily programmed by all the mind control technology beamed down on us 24/7 when in altered states of consciousness.

[whiterain]

i have huge respect for anyone who is able to just allow them to be taken away on the salvia experience. being torn out of your surroundings and rolled through an uncontrollable vortex of puzzle light bricks is just a bit too much for me at the moment. i always want to go with it, but the fight or flight instinct is just too strong and kicks in as soon as it hits. however during and after it always seems like the experience was always bound to happen and was just a tangent to the script we are all playing out

i certainly wouldnt recomend it as an introductory experience. id imagine it puts people off for life. one for the experienced is my view.

once you have control of your own actions, unlike me, i would imagine it could be a vital tool as it seems to put you in exactly the same kind of starting point for a visit to other places immediately like nothing else can

[whiterain]

delusional thinking if you think salvia = enlightenment

go look at every single one of the retards who do salvia on youtube

they all have one thing in common, they all look like retards.

you do realize david icke doesn't do drugs?

he did ayahuasca once or twice and shrooms 1 time. thats all he's done in his life, he's never even so much as smoked a joint.

the lot of you i bet are high a good majority of your waking life and think you're enlightened.

it's called escapism

not to mention you can be heavily and easily programmed by all the mind control technology beamed down on us 24/7 when in altered states of consciousness.

how did you find salvia?

[blackster]

delusional thinking if you think salvia = enlightenment

go look at every single one of the retards who do salvia on youtube

they all have one thing in common, they all look like retards.

you do realize david icke doesn't do drugs?

he did ayahuasca once or twice and shrooms 1 time. thats all he's done in his life, he's never even so much as smoked a joint.

the lot of you i bet are high a good majority of your waking life and think you're enlightened.

it's called escapism

not to mention you can be heavily and easily programmed by all the mind control technology beamed down on us 24/7 when in altered states of consciousness.

It can’t be that delusional, why do you think the indigenous people use such substances. They use it to connect with consciousness and for spiritual purposes.

Also I admit I've been high hundreds of times and I don't claim to be enlightened at all, I will admit I have woke up to the shit going on though.

I used to get high mainly for recreational purposes at first until I had some eye opening experiences on L.S.D.

There is nothing wrong with hallucinogens in my eyes if people want to use these things to help them on there journey what’s wrong with that. It's the people you talk about on YouTube who are irresponsible and reckless and get these substances a bad rep.

Let me add though that I think the really strong stuff like DMT and Ayahuasca should only be taken in the company of a shaman or someone very experienced to watch over you and guide you. David Icke also said he got lots of knowledge from his Ayahuasca trip.

I'm not having a dig or anything I’m just stating that some of these experiences are really life changing and make you think about stuff more. Well they did me.

[wildhorse]

It can’t be that delusional, why do you think the indigenous people use such substances. They use it to connect with consciousness and for spiritual purposes.

Also I admit I've been high hundreds of times and I don't claim to be enlightened at all, I will admit I have woke up to the shit going on though.

I used to get high mainly for recreational purposes at first until I had some eye opening experiences on L.S.D.

There is nothing wrong with hallucinogens in my eyes if people want to use these things to help them on there journey what’s wrong with that. It's the people you talk about on YouTube who are irresponsible and reckless and get these substances a bad rep.

Let me add though that I think the really strong stuff like DMT and Ayahuasca should only be taken in the company of a shaman or someone very experienced to watch over you and guide you. David Icke also said he got lots of knowledge from his Ayahuasca trip.

I'm not having a dig or anything I’m just stating that some of these experiences are really life changing and make you think about stuff more. Well they did me.

yup...for me, I have done the escapism malarky, and doing some salvia is not going to be about getting high for me...it will be the experience. At mo I see vision in tiny tiny pixels that seem to have their own individual energy/light and yet all form as a collective energy/light too. When I close my eyes, I can sometimes still see the room, cept its in these pixels, but the pixel quality is not so great. I sometimes see 'ripples' or warbles in the air in my vision. I know that salvia will just make the 3rd dimension that bit easier to make way for what it will be like in the 4th/5th dimension, in a concious reality (and not just experincing it in a dream)

sorry if thats 'not awake' enough...but, my journey, as David Ickes was his. Sounds like from his interviews he also had similar experiences to those mentioned in his thread. He admitted having something of a traditional tribal 'stimulant' shall we say. I have read that salvia has also been used by traditional native tribes.

If anyone is still asleep, its following the divide and conquer agenda of the elite, believing what they shot out on LooTube or in the gutter rags they have the nerve to call newspapers.

let people on here have their own experiences without judgement towards them or making scathing unfounded accusations about them, thank you

and blackstar...used to live in sunny stockton ;)

[drhemp]

i blame this cunt......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ljxk3/Can_I_Get_High_Legally/

salvia is the most mind blowing experience i have ever done...

try it before its banned so you can tell your grandkids

A terrible article, but to be expected from a pile of doggy doo doos like the Sun, full of lies such as Salvia is an amphetamine like substance, and also the implication that users find it terrifying is generally untrue. 100x Salvia is also a load of bollox, as pretty much after a standardised 10x, it is nigh on impossible to tell the difference.

Poor George Lamb getting a lot of stick for making such a crap documentary, but what you have to understand is he didn't make it, but was rather just a pretty face for a BBC documentary that the BBC management had already decided what the outcome of George Lamb's investigation was going to be.

I actually got conned into appearing into that documentary on the understanding it was going to be a fair and balanced look at the legal high market, yet despite filming me for 3 hours talking about legal highs and the problems with making substances illegal, they edited it down to get a knob gag and giggle about horny goat weed. I found out the producer of the documentary was the same guy who made that awful BBC Conspiracy Files Documentary about Building 7, you know the one where the BBC explained to us how skyscrapers do actually collapse on themselves from minor fire damage?

I don't feel any animosity towards George Lamb, who'd I'd never heard of before this, he was actually quite nice, as oddly enough was the assistant producer, Dan Murdoch, who talked me into being filmed in the first place and certainly seemed genuine enough. I read a travel book he had written about a trip where he and some friends drove 3 Trabants from Germany to Cambodia, which was a really funny read www.trabanttrek.org. He openly admitted to me to having a history or taking Class A drugs (as did George Lamb), so I was saddened to see they made such a crap programme in the end.

Some friends of mine wrote this review of that programme, http://www.synchronium.net/2009/07/29/comments-from-matt-bowden/, they asked me to contribute, but I thought it was so awful, it didn't even warrant a reply, so I guess this is my reply.

[2013]

It took me to a watery kind of realm through these immaterial structures it felt like I was being put through a large cylinder made up of small slices at one point.

Don't be scared of anything that happens under it aslwell just accept and go with it!

The watery realm makes sense i was made of water my entire being and when someone in the room spoke or played guitar for example i moved like ripples or waves :D

[terryemm]

Better order some max strength then!

[neutrino]

I'm in the UK, where can I get some of this stuff from?? I've been looking online but not sure what websites to trust for buying it.

[alrick888]

That's interesting Chris.
"Nancy-boy" George Lamb has a daily radio show on BBC Radio 6 and I listen to it often. He's nice enough but I feel he is one of those dubious media characters (read: whores) who do anything to be on TV.

I find the format of his radio show completely irritating, as he always presents it together with a couple of "his mates" so that he comes out looking like this really popular guy. Probably bullied as a kid and too scared to do it alone or something, I don't know.

In his favour, once he mentioned the dangers of wireless and quoted an article about it. He even did an interview with a guy from Holland who produced EMF-insulated beds (something with silver wire inside them). He confessed to having one of these beds himself.

A pity the documentary was apparently so disappointing...

[montag]

There is a reason indigenous tribes around the world have used such herbs and plants for thousands of years. It opens your mind and spirit to different realties and beings, and they new this. Makes you think about the deforestation of millions of acres of rain forest "the home of most of the best enthogens" and the killing of indigenous tribes around the world. TPTB want this knowledge wiped out and kept from the people.

Thats true but it's a far cry from getting off your face and posting on youtube, not really smart.

This quote I found in an article I was recently reading..

In his book Breaking Open the Head, Daniel Pinchbeck discusses a case where a westerner had taken psychedelic mushrooms in the recreational context. During his trip two huge mushroom spirits appeared and asked why he had eaten them. He said to get high. They seemed annoyed and told him that if he did it again they would kill him and then left. The inference is that whatever this property is of the mushrooms, it is to be called upon for a specific purpose – an approach shamans are trained in.

http://www.jostsauer.com/interact/?p=577

[drhemp]

In his book Breaking Open the Head, Daniel Pinchbeck discusses a case where a westerner had taken psychedelic mushrooms in the recreational context. During his trip two huge mushroom spirits appeared and asked why he had eaten them. He said to get high. They seemed annoyed and told him that if he did it again they would kill him and then left. The inference is that whatever this property is of the mushrooms, it is to be called upon for a specific purpose – an approach shamans are trained in.

That's interesting. I had a visit from the Mushroom Goddess herself once while I was tripping and she congratulated me for taking the shrooms when I gave here the same answer to the same question, she even encouraged me to make it my life's vocation to spread universal enlightenment through the use of psilocybin and psilocin and other naturally occurring psychoactive chemicals found in plants.

[montag]

That's interesting. I had a visit from the Mushroom Goddess herself once while I was tripping and she congratulated me for taking the shrooms when I gave here the same answer to the same question, she even encouraged me to make it my life's vocation to spread universal enlightenment through the use of psilocybin and psilocin and other naturally occurring psychoactive chemicals found in plants.
Maybe it depends on your intent, not sure but I think if you just take one of these substances for a mere laugh you may be asking for trouble..

[dmt head]

Let me add though that I think the really strong stuff like DMT and Ayahuasca should only be taken in the company of a shaman or someone very experienced to watch over you and guide you. David Icke also said he got lots of knowledge from his Ayahuasca trip.


Salvia can be just as intense as dmt and ayahuasca, ive heard people say salvia is the psychedelic, and mexican tribes who have salvia ceremonys dont think people should take it the way they do, but people do. I cant afford to go to peru or Brazil to take ayahuasca, I dont even think there is a shamanistic way to use smoked dmt, are their any tribes that do this? I doubt it. Just have to make up your own rituals etc. Ive read of some tribes in south america happy that westerners are using aya and some not so, to each their own no?

Also I dont think like the arrogant post by mountainwarrior that psychedelics give me enlightenment, they actually make me aware of other places but also that really I know nothing in the grand scheme of things, im sure the universe loves me though! :D

[blackster]

Maybe it depends on your intent, not sure but I think if you just take one of these substances for a mere laugh you may be asking for trouble..

I agree with you, when I used to take trips "lsd" for recreational purposes back when I was younger, there was more potential for a bad trip and also the experience was not as good as taking it for exploring your mind and the world around you.

I would prefer to be in the presence of a shaman for these experiences though as they are very experienced and can help protect you. I would love to experience Ayahuasca in the presence of a shaman it is on my list of things to do.

[blackster]

Salvia can be just as intense as dmt and ayahuasca, ive heard people say salvia is the psychedelic, and mexican tribes who have salvia ceremonys dont think people should take it the way they do, but people do. I cant afford to go to peru or Brazil to take ayahuasca, I dont even think there is a shamanistic way to use smoked dmt, are their any tribes that do this? I doubt it. Just have to make up your own rituals etc. Ive read of some tribes in south america happy that westerners are using aya and some not so, to each their own no?

Also I dont think like the arrogant post by mountainwarrior that psychedelics give me enlightenment, they actually make me aware of other places but also that really I know nothing in the grand scheme of things, im sure the universe loves me though! :D

The native tribes that take salvia for ceremonial purposes do not smoke it they use a method called quidding, what is the quid method?
A quid is a rolled up cylinder of fresh leaves. The quid method traditionally uses fresh Salvia leaves, large ones if available. Rehydrated previously dried leaves can be used if fresh ones are unavailable; there seems to be little loss of strength due to drying and rehydration. The quid method brings about a fine trip that lasts somewhat longer than a smoking trip does. Unlike smoking, the quid method does not damage lungs. Unfortunately the quid method does not work for everyone. And some find the quid method to be unpleasant due to the bitterness of the leaves.

Too many reckless people take these powerful gifts that mother earth has provided us with, with the intent of solely getting high and have a laugh, I admit back in the day I was one of these people. I would never have gone as far as posting a video of my experience on YouTube. But in the end I ended up having a great respect for these substances and later only used them to explore my mind and the world around me, as I believe they can give you a glimpse into other worlds and dimensions if used correctly.

I have watched quite few programmes on Ayahuasca and there are certain tribes that welcome people for Ayahuasca ceremonies, cost a fair bit of money though as you have to travel to South America.

[dmt head]

I agree with you, when I used to take trips "lsd" for recreational purposes back when I was younger, there was more potential for a bad trip and also the experience was not as good as taking it for exploring your mind and the world around you.

I would prefer to be in the presence of a shaman for these experiences though as they are very experienced and can help protect you. I would love to experience Ayahuasca in the presence of a shaman it is on my list of things to do.

I would love to experience that too but do you get many LSD or mushrooms shamens around? Im pretty sure theres a fly agaric sect in the UK their name escapes me atm, I might join up because a mate of mines has just recently acquired kilos of them! :D:eek:

It would be great to have a shamen around but it isnt always possible, this isnt going to stop me from doing things, if you cant find a shamen then be your own shamen, make your own rituals!


The native tribes that take salvia for ceremonial purposes do not smoke it they use a method called quidding, what is the quid method?
A quid is a rolled up cylinder of fresh leaves. The quid method traditionally uses fresh Salvia leaves, large ones if available. Rehydrated previously dried leaves can be used if fresh ones are unavailable; there seems to be little loss of strength due to drying and rehydration. The quid method brings about a fine trip that lasts somewhat longer than a smoking trip does. Unlike smoking, the quid method does not damage lungs. Unfortunately the quid method does not work for everyone. And some find the quid method to be unpleasant due to the bitterness of the leaves.

Yes its never worked for me, has worked for my mate though. I freeze my fresh leaves but I hear even then they dont have the same effects as freshly picked leaves. Thouhg hopefully one day ill get round to making a salvia soft extract, after some mescalito experiments ;):D

this one sounds good http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5161

The eleventh post down, Jorkests tek, its for quidding

[hollo]

I'm in the UK, where can I get some of this stuff from?? I've been looking online but not sure what websites to trust for buying it.

http://www.coffeesh0p.com/entheogens/salvia_divinorum/

ive had some from here and prices are quite cheap (at leas 60x is!)

but i would say stick with 20-40x as the strength dosent change that much as you get higher but holding it in for longer and getting thick smoke in the bong
does the magic ;)

[drhemp]

Maybe it depends on your intent, not sure but I think if you just take one of these substances for a mere laugh you may be asking for trouble..

Depends if it is the psilocybin or the psilocin that gets you, the former being responsible more for the visuals, which can (rarely) lead to a bad trip, or the later, which give the the euphoric giggly type high.

It really depends what frame of mind you are in and your surroundings; if these are good then it's possible to take merely for a laugh, after all there is nothing wrong with laughter and this is something the Mushroom Goddess approves of.

Some indigenous tribes wouldn't think nothing of giving children some shrooms and leaving them to play and have fun, whereas if you did this in modern society you would have your kids taken away from you and be treated some kind of social pariah. Not that I'm saying you should give kids shrooms in modern society, but I could understand how in some tribal cultures this would be considered ok.

[blackster]

I would love to experience that too but do you get many LSD or mushrooms shamens around? Im pretty sure theres a fly agaric sect in the UK their name escapes me atm, I might join up because a mate of mines has just recently acquired kilos of them! :D:eek:

It would be great to have a shamen around but it isnt always possible, this isnt going to stop me from doing things, if you cant find a shamen then be your own shamen, make your own rituals!




Yes its never worked for me, has worked for my mate though. I freeze my fresh leaves but I hear even then they dont have the same effects as freshly picked leaves. Thouhg hopefully one day ill get round to making a salvia soft extract, after some mescalito experiments ;):D

this one sounds good http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5161

The eleventh post down, Jorkests tek, its for quidding

I have watched a documentary and there was a shaman doing rituals with mushrooms in Mexico, and even invited the film maker to partake in one. I don't think shamans ever did lsd though lol as it was synthetic and man made good old Albert Hoffman may he RIP, those things he discovered can't be that bad for you as TPTB want you to believe as he lived to the good old age of 102 :D

I think as long as you are responsible in your actions and are in the right frame of mind, and the right settings these things can be a great experience.

I think there is a place in Amsterdam that offer Ayahuasca ceromonies ;)

Never tried Fly Agaric but I have watched a programme called sacred weeds or something along those lines and that had an episode about it, they gave 2 volunteers a controlled amount under supervision and documented its effects ect.

Good luck with the experiment ;) :D

[blackster]

yup...for me, I have done the escapism malarky, and doing some salvia is not going to be about getting high for me...it will be the experience. At mo I see vision in tiny tiny pixels that seem to have their own individual energy/light and yet all form as a collective energy/light too. When I close my eyes, I can sometimes still see the room, cept its in these pixels, but the pixel quality is not so great. I sometimes see 'ripples' or warbles in the air in my vision. I know that salvia will just make the 3rd dimension that bit easier to make way for what it will be like in the 4th/5th dimension, in a concious reality (and not just experincing it in a dream)

sorry if thats 'not awake' enough...but, my journey, as David Ickes was his. Sounds like from his interviews he also had similar experiences to those mentioned in his thread. He admitted having something of a traditional tribal 'stimulant' shall we say. I have read that salvia has also been used by traditional native tribes.

If anyone is still asleep, its following the divide and conquer agenda of the elite, believing what they shot out on LooTube or in the gutter rags they have the nerve to call newspapers.

let people on here have their own experiences without judgement towards them or making scathing unfounded accusations about them, thank you

and blackstar...used to live in sunny stockton ;)

You sound like your close to a full Salvia breakthrough :D I read on an ethnobotanical site that you can get something called reverse tolerance with salvia, it builds up and takes less to get you to that special place, don't know how true it is, because I have only had it 5 times.

Wildhorse so you used to live in sunny Stockton ey, lol it’s like smog city isn’t it, we don’t need chemtrails round here to mess the sky up the chemical factories do a good job of that lol. Bet you are glad to escape ;)

[millhouse]

This is just like when the banned LSD in the 60's.:(:rolleyes:

They're not doing it out of concern for our health!:p Salvia Divinorum is sometimes called an "entheogenic", which means "creator of the God within"; is it any wonder they want to outlkaw it!?:eek: I think they're more concerned that if we evolve spiritually through the use of these drugs we could become ungovernable!:cool:

No wonder Rupert Murdoch's news empire is in favour of the ban!:mad:


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here have some alcohol, that will help brake down society, then we can impliment the laws to further our agenda...i know its love to all men, but these people are a set a cunt.............

[millhouse]

I had a total out of body experience with salvia,mixing on my turntables wich wasnt the best time to do it but I had a revelationary experience, it blew me away totally beyond this Earthly realm or so it seemed, it felt like five minutes was eternity, I was just a point of energy, it was as though the salvia guided me through it all, i didnt try to fight it or anything just take me where it wanted me to go and had a thoughouly amazing experience.

I feel like with that it's helped me get a much deeper look at this Earth, univere and people/other beings way beyond the outer images we all have.

And can totally understand what David Icke and many other are talking about when theyre talking about energies and being we don't see with our five senses.

The governments just seem to be going around in circles with this and other chemicals but it's all a waste of time in my opinion, they could decriminalise everything and educate properly to teach the pro's and cons.

How did you take it mate?

[wildhorse]

You sound like your close to a full Salvia breakthrough :D I read on an ethnobotanical site that you can get something called reverse tolerance with salvia, it builds up and takes less to get you to that special place, don't know how true it is, because I have only had it 5 times.

Wildhorse so you used to live in sunny Stockton ey, lol it’s like smog city isn’t it, we don’t need chemtrails round here to mess the sky up the chemical factories do a good job of that lol. Bet you are glad to escape ;)

lol well yes I certainly hope so :D...just waiting for my pipe and salvia to arrive. I went with a simple bamboo pipe as I wanted to stay quite traditional and keep it spiritual in a native american sense. I do have an indian peace pipe, but made a reiki wand out of it...besides, would wonder if it set alight it being made out of wood ;)

We shall see how this reverse tolerance works...maybe thats it...be a walking salvia plant and just waft and blurb instead of walk hehe

as for stockton, lived on the river by the bridge, nice til they built them student flats, or until someone did a jump off the bridge and the frog squad came out dredging the river. The guy who jumped cos of that farepak, well I woke my ex up and said...a guys drowned, i just dreamt it....to which a load of blue lights stopped on the bridge, and the dingy sailed past my flat. *creeps*

Still live over in north york moors now, and love it this way. Everyones chilled...whereabouts are you in stockton then? pm if you like....;)

Salvia is just another thing that the government dont want us all waking up to. I do have to give them credit tho, to bring down a generation so low, that when they take something that has a spiritual potential, some just mong on it with no thought or anything...or have mates they can question this stuff to. I hope that changes the more they use it...

[hollo]

just curious - anyone tried dmt / nn_dmt or 5 meo dmt

i hear that nn_dmt is class a/illegal and 5meo dosent have the full on visual effect - im not saying these kind of drugs are the anwser and you become enlightened - more like they let you experience things without you human perspective getting in the way - like an insight :)

[blackster]

lol well yes I certainly hope so :D...just waiting for my pipe and salvia to arrive. I went with a simple bamboo pipe as I wanted to stay quite traditional and keep it spiritual in a native american sense. I do have an indian peace pipe, but made a reiki wand out of it...besides, would wonder if it set alight it being made out of wood ;)

We shall see how this reverse tolerance works...maybe thats it...be a walking salvia plant and just waft and blurb instead of walk hehe

as for stockton, lived on the river by the bridge, nice til they built them student flats, or until someone did a jump off the bridge and the frog squad came out dredging the river. The guy who jumped cos of that farepak, well I woke my ex up and said...a guys drowned, i just dreamt it....to which a load of blue lights stopped on the bridge, and the dingy sailed past my flat. *creeps*

Still live over in north york moors now, and love it this way. Everyones chilled...whereabouts are you in stockton then? pm if you like....;)

Salvia is just another thing that the government dont want us all waking up to. I do have to give them credit tho, to bring down a generation so low, that when they take something that has a spiritual potential, some just mong on it with no thought or anything...or have mates they can question this stuff to. I hope that changes the more they use it...

I'm from Norton :D next to the old colloseum club, one of my old haunts when I was young and into the rave scene lol.

I bet it is really peaceful where you are now; I bet you feel a bit more freedom out there ;)

One of my brothers friends went missing and there was a massive search for him as it seemed he had vanished without a trace, and his body was sadly found in the river about a week or so later :(

As for lady Salvia I have only tried dried leaf form it was a strange sensation but I would need something like a x10-x20 extract I feel to breakthrough and get the full effect. I have read somewhere that the indigenous people who use these substances, believe they contain the spirit of the plants and help you make contact with mother earth.

[harryp2000]

How did you take it mate?

I smoked a small pinch in a water bong with a butane torch lighter, not a normal lighter, apparently the active chemicals burn and activate at a much higher temperature than a normal bic lighter works at.

[millhouse]

I smoked a small pinch in a water bong with a butane torch lighter, not a normal lighter, apparently the active chemicals burn and activate at a much higher temperature than a normal bic lighter works at.
Cheers mate thanks for the info, my first delivery is on its way!!;)

[wildhorse]

I'm from Norton :D next to the old colloseum club, one of my old haunts when I was young and into the rave scene lol.

I bet it is really peaceful where you are now; I bet you feel a bit more freedom out there ;)

One of my brothers friends went missing and there was a massive search for him as it seemed he had vanished without a trace, and his body was sadly found in the river about a week or so later :(

As for lady Salvia I have only tried dried leaf form it was a strange sensation but I would need something like a x10-x20 extract I feel to breakthrough and get the full effect. I have read somewhere that the indigenous people who use these substances, believe they contain the spirit of the plants and help you make contact with mother earth.

omg colliseum...jeez...i remember when i used to be an unofficial dancer in manhattens, Gforce used to shout out to me lol...even danced with Ntrance...cool...brought me up so t speak...

anyway, after that they all said i should go for the auditions for the colliseum...but my bf at the time got funny (cos he was a good dancer too) and didnt tell me correct date to audition...dick...

think i know which guy you mean that you knew from the bridge. young lad? didnt hear any loud crashing splash so he didnt jump. did they get the cunts who did that to him?

anyway..bout half hour ago...had a few flakes of healthy nutritous salvia 20x... my third eye was giving it turtles head if ya get me...and now i am enjoying a very nice mellow chilled buzz, just to get me aquainted.

no unicorns or the like as not took enough but did get a lil fuked for a few mins in a good way...see my VM lol just as i was replying to infin8 ;):D

also, cds sounds so much better...very E like...niiiice

but tmoz...will burn some serious leaves

and very apt feels like heaven in your hands from hed kandi cd has just come on...experience is relevant...bs is sooo not

thats as wise as its gunna get toneet folks ;)

ttfn x

ps just added ya as a matey...and noticed your birfday is oct 29th...well mine is oct 28th....oh ffs... lol pair of warped scorps cum good is quite a combo....

[wildhorse]

I would love to experience that too but do you get many LSD or mushrooms shamens around? Im pretty sure theres a fly agaric sect in the UK their name escapes me atm, I might join up because a mate of mines has just recently acquired kilos of them! :D:eek:

It would be great to have a shamen around but it isnt always possible, this isnt going to stop me from doing things, if you cant find a shamen then be your own shamen, make your own rituals!




Yes its never worked for me, has worked for my mate though. I freeze my fresh leaves but I hear even then they dont have the same effects as freshly picked leaves. Thouhg hopefully one day ill get round to making a salvia soft extract, after some mescalito experiments ;):D

this one sounds good http://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=5161

The eleventh post down, Jorkests tek, its for quidding


you want shamans??

go to witchy/ pagan 'festivals...and you shall find ye SHAMANS TENT

I have heard many a good critique from inside one of them...any journey you want is catered for shall we say ;)

and to think i got invited by a shaman to go to the after party and couldnt find the right field...bugger...

[blackster]

omg colliseum...jeez...i remember when i used to be an unofficial dancer in manhattens, Gforce used to shout out to me lol...even danced with Ntrance...cool...brought me up so t speak...

anyway, after that they all said i should go for the auditions for the colliseum...but my bf at the time got funny (cos he was a good dancer too) and didnt tell me correct date to audition...dick...

think i know which guy you mean that you knew from the bridge. young lad? didnt hear any loud crashing splash so he didnt jump. did they get the cunts who did that to him?

anyway..bout half hour ago...had a few flakes of healthy nutritous salvia 20x... my third eye was giving it turtles head if ya get me...and now i am enjoying a very nice mellow chilled buzz, just to get me aquainted.

no unicorns or the like as not took enough but did get a lil fuked for a few mins in a good way...see my VM lol just as i was replying to infin8 ;):D

also, cds sounds so much better...very E like...niiiice

but tmoz...will burn some serious leaves

and very apt feels like heaven in your hands from hed kandi cd has just come on...experience is relevant...bs is sooo not

thats as wise as its gunna get toneet folks ;)

ttfn x

ps just added ya as a matey...and noticed your birfday is oct 29th...well mine is oct 28th....oh ffs... lol pair of warped scorps cum good is quite a combo....

I think he went in near the Mecca bingo area of the river, and I'm almost sure they just put it down to misadventure or something along those lines. He was a great kid too.

Been a few unlucky souls drowned in that river in the summertime too, may they all RIP.




I’ve got some great memories of the Colloseum I was there nearly every weekend for about 2yr :D some of the best times of my life were in that place :)

So you auditioned for the dancers ey ;) did you were all the fluorescent clothes and stuff, they were trippy as.

I also found the Salvia feeling very euphoric like a mixture of Ecstasy, Mild LSD and booze lol, did you feel any force pushing or pulling you, because the first time I had a real good toot from my bong I felt like I got folded up like a deck chair :eek:

Also did you feel a tingly pins and needles type sensation in your head and neck area ??

Haha third eye giving it's turtles head great way to put it :D are you using a blow torch lighter as I've read salvia has to be burnt at a very high temperature to release the salvanorin or something along those lines.

Aye were 2 Scorpio’s on a mission to uncover the truth lol, good to see you still love the music I’m the same some of those tunes make you tingle and feel good without the use of any substance.

[entrangermercenary]

Bulla Celebrity Gangster: Bulla on legal drugs. - YouTube

[soul_traveller]

Very interesting. This is similar to what David calls the Digital Level in the Camelot Interview.

yup...for me, I have done the escapism malarky, and doing some salvia is not going to be about getting high for me...it will be the experience. At mo I see vision in tiny tiny pixels that seem to have their own individual energy/light and yet all form as a collective energy/light too. When I close my eyes, I can sometimes still see the room, cept its in these pixels, but the pixel quality is not so great. I sometimes see 'ripples' or warbles in the air in my vision. I know that salvia will just make the 3rd dimension that bit easier to make way for what it will be like in the 4th/5th dimension, in a concious reality (and not just experincing it in a dream)

sorry if thats 'not awake' enough...but, my journey, as David Ickes was his. Sounds like from his interviews he also had similar experiences to those mentioned in his thread. He admitted having something of a traditional tribal 'stimulant' shall we say. I have read that salvia has also been used by traditional native tribes.

If anyone is still asleep, its following the divide and conquer agenda of the elite, believing what they shot out on LooTube or in the gutter rags they have the nerve to call newspapers.

let people on here have their own experiences without judgement towards them or making scathing unfounded accusations about them, thank you

and blackstar...used to live in sunny stockton ;)

[soul_traveller]

Hi Wildhorse, Blackster, Harryp2000, and others,

You guys seem knowledgable. I'm researching this as well and like to know the best place to purchase some, I'm in the UK.

Someone posted a link to www.coffeesh0p.com but some of there items seem to be out of stock - I don't know if they re-stock. Are there any other sites to purchase from?

On the www.coffeesh0p.com I've been looking at the Salvia, Mushrooms and Ayahuasca.

You can PM me if you like.

My intent is to pull back that vibrational veil a bit more and observe what's on the other side. The Great Bill Hicks had many profound insights into the nature of reality from taking such things. The question is balance and not going to the extremes.

Do these substances help in your manifesting powers a bit more? Have you tried creating what you desire in these states?

[relentless]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROeiclXqexQ&feature=channel

"BZP, I don't know whats going on here"

"I'm standing here like an ice-cream, everyones serving each other up!"

Classic:D

[dontdoit]

That was exactly what happens. I am a life time pot smoker and kept hearing about Salvia from a friend....I took a half a hit which I held in for a while, as soon as I let out the breath I was OUT and then everything turned into a wheel that was blending all things together like a cake mixer...my friend said I was passed out and he tried to bring me back, but I guess I smashed his furniture and fell into his table and then bolted out the door where I broke thru his door which slammed thru the wall. When I saw his face he looked like a fork and then everything looked like forks that would be blending together like putting two forks together at the tips...I ran and jumped into my car where I drove into traffic missing everyone, thank god, but I drove (no idea how) a few blocks and parked the car in the street and got out and started walking in the rain..my friends wife called and said where did I go, Throw the keys to my car away...all I know is that I told her not to stop talking to me...it all lasted an hour..when I walked back to the house in the rain, I saw the damage to the house (which is for sale). I said I DID THAT? I was freaking saying WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT???WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? I am now definitely against it and hope it becomes illegal. NOONE should ever try it. Total lack of mind control...I love to smoke weed 24/7 and have done PLENTY of youthful drug experimenting, but this is beyond anything I would ever do again...so reading your story made me laugh...You were so for it before you tried it...huh? Which is pretty ignorant, LIKE ME until now...DON'T DO IT!!!

[friendsinthesky]

You were so for it before you tried it...huh? Which is pretty ignorant, LIKE ME until now...DON'T DO IT!!!

Interesting story from your first post, obviously aimed for this thread.

..anyway, I've never tried it but would love to smoke something with the natives.

HOWEVER!!!!! ...when newspapers write those types of articles, I cannot but see anything over than, THEY ARE ADVERTISING> for the youth! <--heads up folks!

[truthseeker1980]

That was exactly what happens. I am a life time pot smoker and kept hearing about Salvia from a friend....I took a half a hit which I held in for a while, as soon as I let out the breath I was OUT and then everything turned into a wheel that was blending all things together like a cake mixer...my friend said I was passed out and he tried to bring me back, but I guess I smashed his furniture and fell into his table and then bolted out the door where I broke thru his door which slammed thru the wall. When I saw his face he looked like a fork and then everything looked like forks that would be blending together like putting two forks together at the tips...I ran and jumped into my car where I drove into traffic missing everyone, thank god, but I drove (no idea how) a few blocks and parked the car in the street and got out and started walking in the rain..my friends wife called and said where did I go, Throw the keys to my car away...all I know is that I told her not to stop talking to me...it all lasted an hour..when I walked back to the house in the rain, I saw the damage to the house (which is for sale). I said I DID THAT? I was freaking saying WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT???WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? I am now definitely against it and hope it becomes illegal. NOONE should ever try it. Total lack of mind control...I love to smoke weed 24/7 and have done PLENTY of youthful drug experimenting, but this is beyond anything I would ever do again...so reading your story made me laugh...You were so for it before you tried it...huh? Which is pretty ignorant, LIKE ME until now...DON'T DO IT!!!

Hmmm only created membership to write about salvia.

An hour, no 15-20 minutes is as long as the hallucinating buzz lasts and that is the strongest stuff, I am basing that on myself and at least 10 people i know who have tried it.

You were obviously not prepared, I can't believe you managed to drive a car, not for the first 15-20 minutes anyway. After 20 minutes everything is back to normal.

If you do something without being prepared for the outcome, anything can go wrong, I had a mate similar to you, who thought it would be like smoking a weed bong, he even brought his mp3 player to listen to when he was buzzing, I laughed and said you wont need that, you wont even remember it's in your pocket let alone how to work it..

I wouldn't advise anyone to do it unless they are prepared but if you are aware of what it will do to you.

I.E. Lift the veil of the matrix then go for it, it's a good learning experience.

[redorbluepill]

That was exactly what happens. I am a life time pot smoker and kept hearing about Salvia from a friend....I took a half a hit which I held in for a while, as soon as I let out the breath I was OUT and then everything turned into a wheel that was blending all things together like a cake mixer...my friend said I was passed out and he tried to bring me back, but I guess I smashed his furniture and fell into his table and then bolted out the door where I broke thru his door which slammed thru the wall. When I saw his face he looked like a fork and then everything looked like forks that would be blending together like putting two forks together at the tips...I ran and jumped into my car where I drove into traffic missing everyone, thank god, but I drove (no idea how) a few blocks and parked the car in the street and got out and started walking in the rain..my friends wife called and said where did I go, Throw the keys to my car away...all I know is that I told her not to stop talking to me...it all lasted an hour..when I walked back to the house in the rain, I saw the damage to the house (which is for sale). I said I DID THAT? I was freaking saying WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT???WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? I am now definitely against it and hope it becomes illegal. NOONE should ever try it. Total lack of mind control...I love to smoke weed 24/7 and have done PLENTY of youthful drug experimenting, but this is beyond anything I would ever do again...so reading your story made me laugh...You were so for it before you tried it...huh? Which is pretty ignorant, LIKE ME until now...DON'T DO IT!!!

I do not believe you at all, and you clearly have an agenda.

[yabs]

I think it should be controlled like alcohol
not freely available to anyone
If its stronbger than lsd as they say then its potentially very dangerous psychologically
I took LSD at 18 when I first went to UNi and its one the biggest regrets i have
It made me totally paranoid for ages after.
an 18 year old mind is not ready to havfe ones ego completely melted away like lsd does.
At first it was an amazing experience but after 11 hours it became the most terrifing experience of my life
I actually took it again to see if i could recpature the first part which was amazing and
again it became a nightmare
I literally thought I would be clinically insane for life
I could not feel my body at all
didn't know if I was still breathing
could not really talk
just a gibbering wreck who felt like an astronaut who had lost his space ship and was floting in hyeprspace
an experience it was but it affected me socially for years.
In the right setting these things maybe have value but for me the best experiences have always been on weed. You can trip on weed but you are in control
ther lack of control that obviously salvia gives is very scary to me
I would not go anywahere near it
true its natural but how do we know things like this were not the so called apple in the garden of eden?
On LSD aI actually felt like iwasseeing things I had no right to

[yabs]

aty shiva head shop it says this

Salvia Divinorum is harvested in the high mountains by the native people (Mazatec Indians) then dried, cured & blessed.

Not For Human Consumption

[jewellerymaker]

Hi all

On most of the websites I looked at for salvia, they sold the plants (young cuttings in soil). I'm going to get some and grow it. No need for a lamp, no smell, all legal! :) (not that legality stops me smoking weed ;))

If they are going to ban it and it becomes difficult/impossible to get, I am going to grow my own!!!!! Happy days. :p

[fratoue]

I do not believe you at all, and you clearly have an agenda.

+1

[justin_pushka]

I wont even read that article. The sun isnt even worthy or wiping your ass in it. These articles come out so when they decide it time to roll out the new law against it there are enough people that have heard of the substance to say "oh yeah i heard about that doesnt it rot yer brain or something they say, bleet bleet bah bah". It completely mudies any argument and anyone arguing for it remaining legal is seen as some subversive druggie who wants to rot every school childs brain. Its all bollocks and makes me so fucking angry. Its about time the british puplic stood up and said "oi fuckers we dont need molly codlin or looking after". What people do in the privacy of their own heads is up to them. Better learn as much from those blue beings while you can.

Up here where i live there was an artical in the local paper about the evil "incence" and "spices" that a local head shop was selling. It made the front page. I was so fucked off ive never read that paper since and i went into the head shop to congratulate them for making the front page and wished them repeat customers based on the publicity. They aparently had more customers buying than ever before.

[rreeve]

I read somewhere that Salvia opens the way for spirits to take over your body and for the time when someone is wasted on it, it is not actually the person anymore but some other spirit.
This would explain why most people blackout and can't remember what happened.

Personally I'm not against drugs as its up to the individual what they do to their own consciouness but I would recommend always researching something before you take it.

[polonize17]

Lots of Salvia experiences here, some scary as shit :eek:

http://salvia.net/en/experiences.htm

Here's one that is not so scary.

World shattering experience

by Sandesh

Salvia, though still legal in many countries in the world, remains very much unknown, even for the experienced drug users. However I think it is no coincidence that it has appeared on the world stage only recently, no longer than 20 years ago.

Despite the availability of many good drugs like LSD which have the ability to change your perception of the world forever, it seems the time has come for Nature to reveal its one of the most exquisite secrets -Salvia Divinorum. In some ways I feel, it being a natural plant, that it creates a connection between the smoker, a bond that is very important for our current times and that many of other good drugs (like mentioned above LSD) are lacking. However it is the experience that is most important here and I see Salvia as something so great and at the same time so shattering that has the potential to really change the course of world affairs (or at least start/influence them very much).

Most of the users describe their experiences as being transported to other worlds and thus still having some sort of content. Mine, in most cases have no form.

Around 30 seconds after the hit I enter what can only be described as void / infinity / emptiness. These words however will not suffice at all, as we interpret them through our own everyday experience. The most important factor that need to be added here is intensity. Throughout the experience you (yourself, the ego, the "I") is totally lost, there is no trace whatsoever of yourself and also of the world. There is only one intense experiencing of the void. I must stress again: there is absolutely nothing there, no experiencer, no experience, so do not cling to any of these words. Only after you come out of it slowly, after a few minutes, when the intensity fades out with every second, your brain start working with his usual automatic need to describe everything and then the words come up like: totality, enormous space, endless bliss, serenity and finally great joy. All those years you have been fooled thinking that what you see and hear, what people say to you and what you learn at school and from tv is final reality and there is nothing else. And now the joy to discover this is utter and complete bullshit!

Now you know this small film of reality we perceive everyday is just a tiny fraction of what the world really is. Now all those eastern words of wisdom you heard here and there start to make sense. These guys have always talked about THIS! When the veil of everyday reality comes off you suddenly see the world beyond space and time, in its infinite glory. And you are it, not a part, but the very center of the existence. The separation of the "I" and world in time space matrix is just an illusion, there is only one eternal and infinite existence. And when you return back to the world what you want most now is to share this wonderful news with as many people as possible. The influence of the current industrialized world, full of politicians and priests is so heavy we need now the true, crystal clear experiences of our existence as it is, so the balance can be restored. Salvia is not about adding another blisful experience to your polished ego, it is about total and unreversible destruction of yourself and of your world view. For many it will seem unwanted but for the couragous ones the reward will be endless tears of gratitute as the great long-carried burden will fall off their chests forever.

Salvia.net

[polonize17]

This one is pretty intersting.

Death, soda machines, and an eternity

by S.

The first time I ever used salvia was with an old friend. We were at his father's house (his father has several horses and a large arena, we were there to help get some work done), and we were done working for the day, and decided to go smoke a few bowls of weed. My friend suggested that we try this other stuff that he got from the guy who normally supplied his weed. We knew nothing of it at all, only that it would get you high. We both assumed it would be something akin to pot.

We left the house and crossed a nearby road, and entered a wooded area. We packed a bowl and had two big hits each. We decided to head back to the house and have something to eat, not really feeling anything from the salvia yet. We were maybe 30-40 feet into the woods, and by the time we reached the road, both of our universes had taken a rather interesting turn. Reality didn't have any drastic changes for me--the road was still a road, trees were still trees, etc. Yet, I did "feel" different, but I don't think I can precisely explain how. I guess I could say that I felt very calm, yet I was giggling like crazy. For some reason, we began to walk in a direction that was going away from his father's house, and I don't think either of us noticed it at the time. I suddenly became aware that my friend was gone, and that I was alone on this very, very remote road. This caused me to feel somewhat disturbed, but I was still "calm." Then a logging truck drive by (and they would break the speed limit on this road, as the police all but ignored this place, unless called--it was way out in the boonies), and I became a little concerned that I might stumble into the road and get hit by one, should I fall at just the wrong moment. By this time, you see, my balance had begun to be a little less steady, though nothing severe.

I continued walking in the direction we'd started out on, and my thoughts about my own possible demise were interrupted by my friend's voice loudly yelling somewhere in the woods to my left (both sides of the road were surrounded by forest), and I quickly looked in that direction. I wasn't alarmed or curious at all about what I saw--and I'm convinced that what my eyes were seeing was accurate, even to this day. My friend was running around in some brush, yelling at the top of his lungs, all the while bludgeoning what I believed to be the ground with a log that he'd found somewhere. His dog, Patches, was running around in close proximity, barking furiously.

Oddly, I lost all interest in what my friend was doing, and somehow became aware, as if the knowledge was simply infused into my mind, that I was going to see "something" very interesting very shortly. I should also mention that not only did I lose interest in my friend, I lost knowledge of him. The fact that he was pounding around in the woods a few yards away from me didn't matter. I didn't see or hear him, and his very existence seemed to have been wiped from my mind. I resumed my walk to wherever I thought I was going, when suddenly it happened--that interesting thing I knew was coming. A woman materialized roughly twenty feet or so in front of me, and she was jogging in my direction. For some reason she was also pushing some sort of stroller with a baby in it, but the stroller looked like a bassinet, rather than a stroller. The odd thing about this is that A.) she materialized from nothing, and B.) she and her baby, and bassinet/stroller were cartoons.

The cartoon woman and babe jogged by, she smiling at me as if there wasn't anything out of the ordinary about the fact that she was a cartoon, and I simply lost interest with her as she passed me. Out of sight, out of mind, I suppose. At this point I suddenly remembered my friend, and was about to yell into the woods that I'd just seen a cartoon when a massive gush of wind hit me, and I realized that I was stand right in the middle of this little backwoods road, and that I had just been missed by one of those logging trucks by a hair.

By this time my "high" was coming down, and I quickly made my way back to the shoulder, and determined it was time to find my friend and get home before something terrible happened. He emerged from a patch of thicket near the woods, as if he'd been struck with the same idea of coming to me and heading home. The log was gone, dog following behind, and in his hand he held a dead possum. He held it up triumphantly, and said that his dog had killed it, and that Patches was a brave hunter. He was obviously still higher than I was, but was coherent enough to understand the danger when I explained that I'd almost been killed by a truck, and that we needed to go to his dad's house and lock ourselves into the room his dad kept for him until we were totally sober again. He later explained that he had no idea that he'd been beating a stick on the ground (I think he was actually killing the animal), and remembered nothing about running around and yelling. He only remembered watching his dog hunt and kill the animal, while he watched and cheered. I'm absolutely convinced that my friend was the one who killed the possum. By the time we reached his father's house, we seemed to be totally back to normal.

Second time:

The second time I used salvia was with a different friend quite a long time later. I didn't have any profound experience this time around, either. The only thing out of the ordinary I noticed was that the sidewalk we were sitting on felt kind of sponge-like, and that the walls of the plaza buildings seemed to be bulging in and out, as if breathing. This friend, however, had a rather interesting experience. I remember clearly seeing him, he was sitting on the sidwalk, back against wall, laughing his head off. Talking to him was pointless, as he didn't respond. He would stop laughing periodically and make a "psshhhh" sound with his mouth, then continue laughing hysterically. All this lasted ten minutes at most. When he returned to normal, he told me that he was a soda machine, and that he was spitting cans of juice at passersby. There were very many people, he said, and he was just shooting them like crazy with these cans of juice. The thing is, we were alone. It was late at night, and all the stores were closed, save a nearby movie theater. There were no other people at all.
Third time:

My third experience with salvia will probably be my last. This one was with a cousin, and a very, very long time had gone by since my last experience. I'd never had a 'bad" experience. I thought the stuff was mostly harmless, and, as I mentioned, really knew nothing about it. I'd never bothered looking it up on the internet until tonight, and that's how I now found myself writing these memories into an E-mail to share with you guys. It was my cousin's first time using it, and I'd mentioned that I'd had it twice before. I explained my experiences, and what my two friends had experienced. He thought it sounded very interesting, and couldn't wait to try it out.

My cousin is a long time pot smoker, and the very concept of a small bowl doesn't exist to him, neither does one bowl, for that matter. He packed a very large bowl, I took three hits and he smoked the rest (maybe 5 hits). A couple of minutes went by, and he said the stuff was crap, and that he probably needed more. He packed another bowl, took another deep hit, and I took a regular size hit. Before I finished inhaling my hit, my cousin was well into a trip (though I didn't know it at the time--he later told me that he remembered giving me the bong, watching me press it to my mouth, and then he "slid through"--which I'll explain in a minute). I'd entered mine seconds later, I'd say, though the initial stages of my trip weren't as sudden and obvious as my cousin's.

I placed the bong on the table in the middle of the living room, and laid back on the couch. I was feeling very, very relaxed and wanted to contemplate life in general. I then went on to thinking about the possibility of alien life on other planets, and the universe itself. At this point, I began to trip--really trip. It's the only "trip" I've ever had in my life that I truly believe is a trip. I would've called the cartoon lady a trip prior to that, but seeing a cartoon pales in comparison. I can explain this with words, but I can't explain it in fullness. I can't possibly explain how very real the experience was, nor can I explain how very, very, very real the whole experience really seemed. To quickly get to the point: I became the universe. Not just the place in which all things exist--I was all of it. I was space; I was all of the stars in that space; I was all of the planets around those stars; I was the galaxies and solar systems in which those stars and planets reside; I was the completed version of time; I was you, me, my cousin, the cells that make us, the dust in our hair. I was all of it. I was all things. I didn't, but I knew I had the option to "move" into any of these parts of existence (like a fish moving through water) and experience my being that thing on a more personal level. I could have moved into my cousin and experienced existence as him alone--or as the couch we sat on. I could focus my being into a mote of dust, a beam of light, or a dog, cat--anything. A random rock in space, if I so pleased. And I wish that I had done one of those. Instead, my attention was drawn to something I mentioned above--which may have caught your attention. Time--I was completed time. By that, I mean I was all of it. At first, I was aware of the fact that I was time, much like I was aware that I was all things. But for some reason the aspect of myself that was time caught my attention, and as if on its own, my focus went there. I say completed version of time, because I understood myself to be the very beginning of time iteslf, and the end of time itself. I wasn't just the universe at one given moment--I was literally all of it: past, present, and future. I understood that time wasn't a concept: it is real, and that time in this universe began with this universe, and will continue as long as our universe continues. Therefore, I was the beginning, and the end into infinity. To a mind that is working logically, this cannot possibly be conceptualized. We can't have an accurate concept of infinity, just as we cannot conceptualize "nothingness" or the "lack of existence." But I did, on that horrible night. I experienced the infinite. I was the infinite, and I experienced it. I experienced forever and ever. I can't explain it in any way that will make sense, and I can't possibly explain it in any way that will convey how true all this was, as it happened. I wasn't experiencing a flow of time into the future; I was experiencing the completed journey of time from its start, to it's very depth into forever. Literally. And it was horrible. That's all I can say about it, really. It sounds very simple, maybe interesting when I type it here. My cousin thought it sounded cool, and said he'd like to have the same experience. It only proves to me that he didn't understand what I was saying to him. Would you wish to experience ten years locked in a prison? One year? A million years? Infinity? I literally experienced infinity--it really DID last forever. I came down from my trip and returned to normal, but I was in that trip for an eternity, and I mean that in every literal way possible. I don't care that it only lasted 20-30 minutes, if even that long. It was the full expression and experience of eternity. The ONLY good thing about that trip is that I completely lost all fear of my own death, and the very idea of living forever as a spiritual version of myself is something I absolutely would refuse to have, if given the choice. I expect to blink out of existence when I die, and that's the exact way I want it to be. Infinity is not a great experience. I've "lived forever" once, and I do not want to do it again, under any circumstance.

My cousin's trip was very different than mine--and much more pleasant. As I was preparing to take my final hit from the bong, he slipped through some sort of membrane that separates normal existence from some other existence. Whatever this other place is, he slipped through the unseen barrier that keeps our reality separated from that other one. He found himself in a room much like the one we were really in, but he understood it to be a different place. He was himself, but a different version of himself. The way he explained it is that, he was the version of himself he could've been if something had been different--any given thing, like waking up earlier than he did, or later--skipping the act of brushing his teeth, or ate breakfast instead of skipping breakfast. Basically, he was an alternate version of himself in an alternate version of our universe. The interesting thing is that he KNEW he was in another version of himself, rather than thinking he was that version. He felt like he was basically possessing someone, and that particular someone happened to be himself. He felt good and enjoyed the trip, finished the whole thing off by having sex with the armrest on the couch.

Salvia.net

[truthseeker1980]

I think it should be controlled like alcohol
not freely available to anyone
If its stronbger than lsd as they say then its potentially very dangerous psychologically
I took LSD at 18 when I first went to UNi and its one the biggest regrets i have
It made me totally paranoid for ages after.
an 18 year old mind is not ready to havfe ones ego completely melted away like lsd does.
At first it was an amazing experience but after 11 hours it became the most terrifing experience of my life
I actually took it again to see if i could recpature the first part which was amazing and
again it became a nightmare
I literally thought I would be clinically insane for life
I could not feel my body at all
didn't know if I was still breathing
could not really talk
just a gibbering wreck who felt like an astronaut who had lost his space ship and was floting in hyeprspace
an experience it was but it affected me socially for years.
In the right setting these things maybe have value but for me the best experiences have always been on weed. You can trip on weed but you are in control
ther lack of control that obviously salvia gives is very scary to me
I would not go anywahere near it
true its natural but how do we know things like this were not the so called apple in the garden of eden?
On LSD aI actually felt like iwasseeing things I had no right to

Its not like lsd u r in control more than u r with lsd.
Its not really comparable to any drug, if i had to compare id say its most like shrooms, its nothing like an acid trip. it wont leave u a gibbering wreck or affect u after the hallucinating has stopped, ur completely normal 20 mins later, apart from tryin to figure out wot veil or part of reality was lifted, makes u really creative after 20 mins too me n my mate a proper dirty dnb tune after a session once.

I wouldnt call it hallucinating, just peeling back the different layers of this reality, something which cant be done with lsd, lsd is hallucinatin through ur mood/fear/emotion which can create as u experiencec a bad trip.
You dont trip on salvia u see beyond the matrix, which is why it is nothing at all like lsd.

[yabs]

Its not like lsd u r in control more than u r with lsd.
Its not really comparable to any drug, if i had to compare id say its most like shrooms, its nothing like an acid trip. it wont leave u a gibbering wreck or affect u after the hallucinating has stopped, ur completely normal 20 mins later, apart from tryin to figure out wot veil or part of reality was lifted, makes u really creative after 20 mins too me n my mate a proper dirty dnb tune after a session once.

I wouldnt call it hallucinating, just peeling back the different layers of this reality, something which cant be done with lsd, lsd is hallucinatin through ur mood/fear/emotion which can create as u experiencec a bad trip.
You dont trip on salvia u see beyond the matrix, which is why it is nothing at all like lsd.

interesting
but al.l the stories sound scary
trye only 20 mins ion our time
but it sounds like the dreams in the film inception
the trip could "seem " like a lifetime
I wish I had done shrroms
way more nhatural
lsd is man made and the trip felt dirty, nothiug nbatural about it
tripping on weed you laways feel the weed is taking care of you
on lsd you feel like you have severe brain damage
but all the sites say salvia is STRONGER than lsd
I cannot fathom how it can be stronger than that
Maybe they aren't referring to the penguins and banana worhols going round in the earky 90's:)

[jewellerymaker]

:D I love my town! Market stalls today, last before xmas, and the 'smoker's tent' was open. He had Salvia! So I bought some! Hehe. I'm going to do it over xmas, when my brother is here to 'sit' with me. I am expecting a pleasant, spiritual experience. I'll let you know how I get on.
JM

[truthseeker1980]

interesting
but al.l the stories sound scary
trye only 20 mins ion our time
but it sounds like the dreams in the film inception
the trip could "seem " like a lifetime
I wish I had done shrroms
way more nhatural
lsd is man made and the trip felt dirty, nothiug nbatural about it
tripping on weed you laways feel the weed is taking care of you
on lsd you feel like you have severe brain damage
but all the sites say salvia is STRONGER than lsd
I cannot fathom how it can be stronger than that
Maybe they aren't referring to the penguins and banana worhols going round in the earky 90's:)

I'd say it's more powerful than LSD on the visual front, even though myself and everyone i know who has taken it wouldn't term what you see as a hallucination, it's really hard to describe words can't really describe it, it's more of a layer or veil lifted. It's similar to that stuff Icke took Auychasa or how ever it's spelt. It's the visions and whatnot that people are reffereing to when stating it's stronger than LSD.

It's stronger than LSD for seeing things, you can take LSD even the strongest mirco dots and see nothing other than your imagination making patterns from things, but can become emotional and scared or a gibbering wreck like you did.

Salvia you will visually see something out of the ordinary everytime you take it, and it's not necessarily like LSD where you are hallucinating from the thoughts, environment, or the mood/emotion you are in etc..

It wont affect your emotions/fears or anything like that. It wont change you like LSD can, not negatively change you anyway. It will open your mind to the holographic reality we call life, it does that very well.

:D I love my town! Market stalls today, last before xmas, and the 'smoker's tent' was open. He had Salvia! So I bought some! Hehe. I'm going to do it over xmas, when my brother is here to 'sit' with me. I am expecting a pleasant, spiritual experience. I'll let you know how I get on.
JM

From my experience get your brother to do it with you, as if you do it whilst another with you hasn't, you will be kept from exploring the matrix, in otherwords becuase you are aware they are not on the same wavelength they seem to anchor you in this reality and keep you from seeing further, when doing it in a group and all of you are doing it, there is no person anchoring you in this reality and you will all see more and go further into behind the layers of the matrix.

The first and maybe second time you take it, you are likely to get the feeling of an older authoritve, teacher type lady watching you, like she is annoyed with you for lifting the veil or peeling back the layers of matrix, hard to describe with words again, this is natural everyone gets it, she is apparently known as the salvia green lady. Could be mother nature?

After the third time for some reason you wont get the feeling of her watching and being annoyed with you anymore.

Have fun. :cool:

[yabs]

I'd say it's more powerful than LSD on the visual front, even though myself and everyone i know who has taken it wouldn't term what you see as a hallucination, it's really hard to describe words can't really describe it, it's more of a layer or veil lifted. It's similar to that stuff Icke took Auychasa or how ever it's spelt. It's the visions and whatnot that people are reffereing to when stating it's stronger than LSD.

It's stronger than LSD for seeing things, you can take LSD even the strongest mirco dots and see nothing other than your imagination making patterns from things, but can become emotional and scared or a gibbering wreck like you did.

Salvia you will visually see something out of the ordinary everytime you take it, and it's not necessarily like LSD where you are hallucinating from the thoughts, environment, or the mood/emotion you are in etc..

It wont affect your emotions/fears or anything like that. It wont change you like LSD can, not negatively change you anyway. It will open your mind to the holographic reality we call life, it does that very well.



From my experience get your brother to do it with you, as if you do it whilst another with you hasn't, you will be kept from exploring the matrix, in otherwords becuase you are aware they are not on the same wavelength they seem to anchor you in this reality and keep you from seeing further, when doing it in a group and all of you are doing it, there is no person anchoring you in this reality and you will all see more and go further into behind the layers of the matrix.

The first and maybe second time you take it, you are likely to get the feeling of an older authoritve, teacher type lady watching you, like she is annoyed with you for lifting the veil or peeling back the layers of matrix, hard to describe with words again, this is natural everyone gets it, she is apparently known as the salvia green lady. Could be mother nature?

After the third time for some reason you wont get the feeling of her watching and being annoyed with you anymore.

Have fun. :cool:


interesting thanks
I was catually dissapointed with lsd
I always thought you would get viosns and hallucinations rather than the weird effects it gives\
So salvia is more dreamlike ie real visions?
do you get the same ego death thing though and ferar that you willalways be like this as IU got with Lsd?

[jewellerymaker]

I'd say it's more powerful than LSD on the visual front, even though myself and everyone i know who has taken it wouldn't term what you see as a hallucination, it's really hard to describe words can't really describe it, it's more of a layer or veil lifted. It's similar to that stuff Icke took Auychasa or how ever it's spelt. It's the visions and whatnot that people are reffereing to when stating it's stronger than LSD.

It's stronger than LSD for seeing things, you can take LSD even the strongest mirco dots and see nothing other than your imagination making patterns from things, but can become emotional and scared or a gibbering wreck like you did.

Salvia you will visually see something out of the ordinary everytime you take it, and it's not necessarily like LSD where you are hallucinating from the thoughts, environment, or the mood/emotion you are in etc..

It wont affect your emotions/fears or anything like that. It wont change you like LSD can, not negatively change you anyway. It will open your mind to the holographic reality we call life, it does that very well.



From my experience get your brother to do it with you, as if you do it whilst another with you hasn't, you will be kept from exploring the matrix, in otherwords becuase you are aware they are not on the same wavelength they seem to anchor you in this reality and keep you from seeing further, when doing it in a group and all of you are doing it, there is no person anchoring you in this reality and you will all see more and go further into behind the layers of the matrix.

The first and maybe second time you take it, you are likely to get the feeling of an older authoritve, teacher type lady watching you, like she is annoyed with you for lifting the veil or peeling back the layers of matrix, hard to describe with words again, this is natural everyone gets it, she is apparently known as the salvia green lady. Could be mother nature?

After the third time for some reason you wont get the feeling of her watching and being annoyed with you anymore.

Have fun. :cool:

thanks for the advice, I will try to get my bro to take some, I'm sure he will. That lady sounds like my mum! :rolleyes: :D

[redorbluepill]

I'd say it's more powerful than LSD on the visual front, even though myself and everyone i know who has taken it wouldn't term what you see as a hallucination, it's really hard to describe words can't really describe it, it's more of a layer or veil lifted. It's similar to that stuff Icke took Auychasa or how ever it's spelt. It's the visions and whatnot that people are reffereing to when stating it's stronger than LSD.

It's stronger than LSD for seeing things, you can take LSD even the strongest mirco dots and see nothing other than your imagination making patterns from things, but can become emotional and scared or a gibbering wreck like you did.

Salvia you will visually see something out of the ordinary everytime you take it, and it's not necessarily like LSD where you are hallucinating from the thoughts, environment, or the mood/emotion you are in etc..

It wont affect your emotions/fears or anything like that. It wont change you like LSD can, not negatively change you anyway. It will open your mind to the holographic reality we call life, it does that very well.



From my experience get your brother to do it with you, as if you do it whilst another with you hasn't, you will be kept from exploring the matrix, in otherwords becuase you are aware they are not on the same wavelength they seem to anchor you in this reality and keep you from seeing further, when doing it in a group and all of you are doing it, there is no person anchoring you in this reality and you will all see more and go further into behind the layers of the matrix.

The first and maybe second time you take it, you are likely to get the feeling of an older authoritve, teacher type lady watching you, like she is annoyed with you for lifting the veil or peeling back the layers of matrix, hard to describe with words again, this is natural everyone gets it, she is apparently known as the salvia green lady. Could be mother nature?

After the third time for some reason you wont get the feeling of her watching and being annoyed with you anymore.

Have fun. :cool:

Holy shit!!!! I know EXACTLY what you mean by that statement, awesome. First time I tried Salvia, I felt like an older person was there to aid me, but also like they were annoyed with me. It felt like I was holding up a line somehow, and this being was like the line master. As if I was a kid at a carnival, and this authoritative figure was there to get me onto the ride, but slightly annoyed at my youthful ignorance.

My post on this forum about my first experience, from this tread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059505369#post1059505369

I tried Salvia for the first time today.

To be honest, I don't really know WTF I experienced.

I went to a head shop to pick up some 5x extract. Of course they were out and only had 10x; annoyed I purchased it. I measured out a very small amount to start with. Smoked it, didn't really feel anything, slightly high. Increased the dosage, and kind of the same thing. So then I tried smoking 1/10th gram.

I lay down on my bed and I don't know what the hell happened. It's like my mind was off somewhere, I felt like I was a kid again, but I was at some carnival or something. Like I was waiting to get in a line and was being ushered along by some people. I kept talking; I never felt alone, but I can't recall whom/what I was talking to. I opened my eyes, surprised that they were not already opened while I was opening them, and the shadows seemed to be like part of the ride or something that I was waiting to get on. God I just can't describe it, almost like I felt the wall or something. I felt so lost, as if I was tumbling in space, and then just lost in the blackness, and I was saying sorry to someone, feeling like I was holding up the line? At the end I was coming back to, I felt like my body was being pulled gently in opposite directions. As if I was just 'flowing' with it, but part of me was holding on. A voice, or voices were calling my name, and saying to come away or come play with them. I remember saying (by thinking), will you be nice, are you safe to go with? At one point I opened my eyes, or maybe I was OBE watching me open my eyes, but I was shocked to see I was in my bed, b/c I swear I was walking somewhere in a line. The order of everything may no be correct, and I def. remember a part where it felt like there were two of me, and one was struggling/fighting to almost crawl up/open my eyes, get back here. I don't know; it's like I was just knocked out and went somewhere, and then came back into my head just like w-t-....f...


I think my ego was still holding on, and I was too scared to let it all go. This is some serious stuff right here, not messing around with this for a while, until I feel ready; whenever the hell that may be. Much respect to this.

[now here]

"Salvia contains a number of psychoactive amphetamine-like substances. It can increase the heart rate and raise blood pressure."

Is this true?

[redorbluepill]

Is this true?

I've def. had it where it seemed like my heart was going to beat right out of my chest......though sometimes the opening of the heart chakra can feel like this and your heart is actually beating at normal rate.

[yabs]

is salvia the same as DMT?
DMT actually sounds more like what i thought LSD would do
but DMT sounds less starnge than Salvia
Salvia sounds too dark for my liking