Why the need for Enlightenment?

[eternal_spirit]

Why? Do some us crave to become enlightend, What's wrong with how and who we are?

We are born perfect sound of mind and pure in intention. it's the World and system we are born into that imbalances us along the way, we become programmed. This is not the real us!

We come from the source, God, spirit whatever you choose to name it. So is true enlightenment a case of deprogramming ourselves, or can this never be achieved because of the system we live in?

[kblood]

I never really seemed to have much of a choice on the matter. Looking back, I have several times wanted to be more "normal".

As I see it, enlightenment usually comes on its own. Kinda depends on how you view "enlightenment". As I see it, it is a way to better focus ones moral compass to do good. Can be about learning how to use more than your 5 senses as well. I do not see any of this as something that is much needed in day to day life. In fact, I have to keep focused on not using more than the 5 senses sometimes :(

[phoebe]

Just like any other craving
The craving for enlightenment is born of ego
Who's greatest fear is its own demise.
What the ego doesn't want you to know however is
There's no need to look for enlightenment - you are it!

[dark86]

enlightenment does not exist, a dead end for egos.

trip back to my authentic self is something i am more keen on.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I feel the question that should be asked, is not why some many people want to be enlightened. But WHY NOW? In all periods of time, now we want it?

[joss classey]

I feel the question that should be asked, is not why some many people want to be enlightened. But WHY NOW? In all periods of time, now we want it?

because now is the time of change

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

because now is the time of change

Exactly! And because people feel this, even if they don't know it, they have a calling to be enlightened. They know it needs to be done, they just don't know how.

What's sad is, is that there are illuminati fakes out there ready to make these poor sheep eat out o their hands...

[mada88]

Its to take all the weight off your shoulders that holds you down.

[kblood]

I am wondering what you all see as enlightenment? Do we not need to clarify the term before we say something about it?

As far as I know, it is not something that is chosen for most people. Also we have been alot more "open minded" before books became common. After books became common, our beliefs became controlled, and many old wisdoms were lost as I see it. Now we believe in what some people think is "best" for us to believe in.

[joss classey]

Exactly! And because people feel this, even if they don't know it, they have a calling to be enlightened. They know it needs to be done, they just don't know how.

What's sad is, is that there are illuminati fakes out there ready to make these poor sheep eat out o their hands...

if they are to be taken advantage of then that is the necessary procedure for them to learn the true path of enlightenment.

[joss classey]

I am wondering what you all see as enlightenment? Do we not need to clarify the term before we say something about it?

As far as I know, it is not something that is chosen for most people. Also we have been alot more "open minded" before books became common. After books became common, our beliefs became controlled, and many old wisdoms were lost as I see it. Now we believe in what some people think is "best" for us to believe in.

you're right. before everything happened to me i thought i was open-minded

i didn't choose this path. my life is not the same now. it is so much better. i certainly wasn't looking for it. it's like it was looking for me. the words '100th monkey' springs to mind

[ninpo]

Why? Do some us crave to become enlightend, What's wrong with how and who we are?

We are born perfect sound of mind and pure in intention. it's the World and system we are born into that imbalances us along the way, we become programmed. This is not the real us!

We come from the source, God, spirit whatever you choose to name it. So is true enlightenment a case of deprogramming ourselves, or can this never be achieved because of the system we live in?


Because kundalini rises. Some people are not cut out for it however. They have "guru's"

[tejas]

To see beyond the veil that has been put across our eyes.

For truth maybe?

Or is it that age old quest, for immortality?

Or even more sinisterly, another program of the matrix?

I dunno, but ill tell you when I get there :)

[pierre_jean]

To see beyond the veil that has been put across our eyes.

For truth maybe?

Or is it that age old quest, for immortality?

Or even more sinisterly, another program of the matrix?

I dunno, but ill tell you when I get there :)

Immortals we are already. We are not our body. We are souls which test the program called "LIFE". Only, there was a virus on this program and we have the anti virus inside ;). In each to find its own means to speed it up. It is a question of intelligence of the heart and personal experience.
I add that it is only about my point of view :D

[kblood]

To see beyond the veil that has been put across our eyes.

For truth maybe?

Or is it that age old quest, for immortality?

Or even more sinisterly, another program of the matrix?

I dunno, but ill tell you when I get there :)

Some want immortality, but those that does seek this will discover what it takes to be immortal. I do not really understand the want or need to be immortal much. I have survived way too much to actually want to live forever. I just hope paradise is a nice relaxing place :) Otherwise I do hope to live somewhere that is more peacefull in my next life. Maybe I will just move on to become someone guardian angel :) As far as I know, death is what you make of it. Just as life somewhat is as well.

Life cannot be all good, unless you change your perspective of how life is and can be I think.

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

I never really seemed to have much of a choice on the matter. Looking back, I have several times wanted to be more "normal".

As I see it, enlightenment usually comes on its own. Kinda depends on how you view "enlightenment". As I see it, it is a way to better focus ones moral compass to do good. Can be about learning how to use more than your 5 senses as well. I do not see any of this as something that is much needed in day to day life. In fact, I have to keep focused on not using more than the 5 senses sometimes :(

same here

[cruise4]

It may enable us to have power over our enemies. Thats all I'm interested in. Beating them once and for all. It would be nice to have a non violent solution and maybe this is the path to one.

[kblood]

It may enable us to have power over our enemies. Thats all I'm interested in. Beating them once and for all. It would be nice to have a non violent solution and maybe this is the path to one.

Yea, my problem is, do we need enemies? I try to find ways for us all to not having to be enemies. Seems like such a major waste of time and life. Fighting enemies will simply cause more people to have enemies. Not easy to find a balance, when anger might cloud ones judgement. I cannot say that I have found that balance yet :( I do try though. And I try to test others beliefs to see wether they really are against what I believe in.

[spiraltrance]

So is true enlightenment a case of deprogramming ourselves,

Yes enlightenment is just a case of letting go of all the emotional and psychological bagage we carry around with us. This bagage weighs you down and once disposed of you will 'lighten'.

or can this never be achieved because of the system we live in?

The system will always pull you down and throw weights onto you. This happens on many different levels some perceptible many imperceptible. Best thing to do is avoid feeding your mind with anything mass-media or with a corporation or government behind it.