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anyuser
18-09-2009, 05:24 AM
Britain is labouring (pun intended) under the delusion it’ll be allowed to put the interests of the corporate entertainment cartels in front of its citizens with spurious do-what-you’re-told legislation almost identical to that currently being touted by Hollywood and Big music spokesman Nicolas Sarkozy in France.

The French National Assembly has just okayed a draft law which would see ‘illegal’ downloaders thrown off the net without any kind of judicial process or proof of wrong-doing, as defined by Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music, on the one hand, and Time-Warner, Fox, Disney, Columbia, Paramount and MGM on the other.

And that’s the way to go, implies Britain’s Lily Allen.

Principally fronting for Hollywood is MPAA boss Dan Glickman, and for the labels, a whole slew of extortion units led by the BPI (British Phornographic Industry) in Britain.

And fronting for them in the UK are intellectual property minister David Lammy (right) and iz lordship, Peter Benjamin Mandelson, aka baron Mandelson.

http://www.p2pnet.net/images/dlam.jpg
“A rift has opened between music’s creators and its record labels, with a broad alliance of musicians, songwriters and producers fiercely criticising the business secretary Lord Mandelson’s plans to cut off the broadband connections of internet users who illegally download music,” p2pnet said recently, going on »»»

Mandelson’s plans aren’t Mandelson’s plans, however. They’d be more properly attributed to Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music who, together with the major Hollywood studios, Time-Warner, Fox, Disney, Columbia, Paramount, MGM, have intimidated weak-kneed governments such as those in the UK, France, New Zealand and Australia, into trying to implement what’s euphemistically called the Three Strikes Law.

It’s anti-P2P, anti-file sharing and anti-consumer designed to turn countries where it’s adopted into virtual copyright enforcement divisions, with ISPs acting as the fall guys.

But the entertainment cartels are are failing, and they’re failing dismally.

“Musicians from some of the world’s biggest bands are calling on the Government to abandon proposals to cut off the internet connections of people who illegally download music,” said Times Online last week, continuing »»»

Artists from bands including Radiohead, Pink Floyd and Blur told The Times that plans announced by Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, to suspend the internet accounts of those who engage in file-sharing will criminalise a whole generation of their fans.

The musicians, all part of the Featured Artists Coalition (FAC), a new group set up to represent the interests of recording artists, claim that despite the damage that file sharing does to sales of their records, it can also encourage people to buy concert tickets and merchandise.

Ed O’Brien, the Radiohead guitarist, said: “My generation grew up with the point of view that you pay for your music. Every generation has a different method. File sharing is like a sampler, like taping your mate’s music. You go, ‘I like that, I’ll go and buy the album’. Or, ‘you know what, I’ll go and see them live’. What’s going on is a huge paradigm shift.”

However, Allen doesn’t see it like that.

‘Music piracy is having a dangerous effect’

http://p2pnet.net/images/lalen.jpg

“I havent written on here for a while but I’ve taken the time to write this as I think music piracy is having a dangerous effect on British music, but some really rich and successful artists like Nick Mason from Pink Floyd and Ed O’Brien from Radiohead don’t seem to think so,” says Allen on her blog, going on »»»

Last week in an article in the Times these guys from huge bands said file sharing music is fine. It probably is fine for them. They do sell-out arena tours and have the biggest Ferrari collections in the world. For new talent though, file sharing is a disaster as it’s making it harder and harder for new acts to emerge. Heres a link to the article http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6828262.ece

Mason, O’Brien and the Featured Artists Coalition say that file sharing’s “like a sampler, like taping your mate’s music”, but mix tapes and recording from the radio are actually very different to the file sharing that happens today.

Mix tapes were rubbish quality – you bought the real music, because you liked the track and wanted to hear it without the DJ cutting off the end of each song. In digital land pirated tracks are as good quality as bought tracks, so there’s not a need to buy for better quality. The Featured Artist Coalition also says file sharing’s fine because it “means a new generation of fans for us”. This is great if you’re a big artist at the back end of your career with loads of albums to flog to a new audience, but emerging artists don’t have this luxury. Basically the FAC is saying ‘we’re alright, we’ve made it, so file sharing’s fine’, which is just so unfair to new acts trying to make it in the industry.

You don’t start out in music with the Ferraris. Instead you get a huge debt from your record company, which you spend years working your arse off to repay. When you manage to get a contract, all those pretty videos and posters advertising your album have to be paid for and as the artist, you have to pay for them. I’ve only just finished paying off all the money I owe my record company. I’m lucky that I’ve been successful and managed to pay it back, but not everyone’s so lucky. You might not care about this, but the more difficult it is for new artists to make it, the less new artists you’ll see and the more British music will be nothing but puppets paid for by Simon Cowell.

And it’s not like there aren’t alternatives to illegal downloads anyway. Sites like Spotify give us access to new music and different music without having to rip someone off – you can listen to tracks and see if you like them before you buy them. Then obviously there’s MySpace, that streams music and helps acts like me get enough fans to convince record companies to sign us up.

If this sounds like I’m siding with the record bosses, I’m not. They’ve been naive and complacent about new technology – and they’ve spent all the money they’ve earned on their own fat salaries not industry development. But as they start to lose big from piracy, they’re not slashing their salaries – they’re pulling what they invest in A&R. Lack of funds results in A&R people not being able to take risks and only signing acts they think will work, which again makes British music Cowell puppets.

Is this the way we want British music to go? Now, obviously I’m going to benefit from fighting piracy, but I think without fighting it, British music is going to suffer.

I don’t think what’s out there is perfect. It’s stupid that kids can’t buy anything on the internet without credit, forcing them to steal Mum’s credit card or download illegally. It’s this kind of thing that the record company bosses, artists, broadband providers and government should be sitting down and discussing. I’m off to South America on tour today, but i’m going to be writing British artists, saying just this.

File sharing’s not okay for British music. We need to find new ways to help consumers access and buy music legally, but saying file sharing’s fine is not helping anyone – and definitely not helping British music. I want to get people working together to use new digital opportunities to encourage new artists.

Stay tuned as we watch the UK and French governments dig their own graves, with the entertainment industry providing the shovels.

lots of good responses @ source: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28565

grenadene
18-09-2009, 09:33 AM
I heard her slagging off Radiohead for them allowing optional donations for their last album.

There's something about Lily Allen that I really don't like. She's a dickhead and her music is mediocre....... style over content....yet again :rolleyes:

frase
18-09-2009, 09:44 AM
the irony!
This from Lily allen who started out giving away her music free on my Space and at her concerts....
Take your paychque and keep your fucking nose out of stuff allen

kanz
18-09-2009, 09:54 AM
In all honesty only shit artist should fear file sharing.
If your stuff is good people will buy it , and go to see your shows.
If you suck they won't buy it and wouldnt come to your show's , simple really.
People seam to think just cause you get into music etc your ment to make money , well no thats not a given, you either got it or don't .

moon monkey
18-09-2009, 09:59 AM
Leave lily alone. When I have developed into a real big boy I want to marry her. Where's my winky pump ?

djhooker
18-09-2009, 10:02 AM
if she's worried about the money she could get a normal job? i give my music away for free to anyone who wants it, since music isn't about money.

i may have to post some shit on her myspace.

energi
18-09-2009, 10:08 AM
In all honesty only shit artist should fear file sharing.
If your stuff is good people will buy it , and go to see your shows.
If you suck they won't buy it and wouldnt come to your show's , simple really.
People seam to think just cause you get into music etc your ment to make money , well no thats not a given, you either got it or don't .

I only have quality music on my computer, including huge boxs sets, all of them downloaded. I don't buy the music since I have the option of getting it for free anyway, saving money to do other stuff. And lots of people are like this.

frase
18-09-2009, 10:17 AM
Stuipd bitch-Sure she has made a few million already......
She should fuck off.
If i want to see a band ill pay to see them live.,
Been raped and pillaged for years through the likes of Milli Vanilli and Spice Girls etc.....

disorder2k8
18-09-2009, 10:34 AM
shes an ugly, talentless bint anyway, if I really must listen to any of her songs I'm not going to pay for them.

P.S its just as easy to record of youtube too, which is an endless source of free music for me.

moon monkey
18-09-2009, 11:23 AM
shes an ugly, talentless bint anyway, if I really must listen to any of her songs I'm not going to pay for them.

P.S its just as easy to record of youtube too, which is an endless source of free music for me.

Ugly ? I don't think that's right at all.

Talentless ? Why the bitterness ?

djhooker
18-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Talentless ? Why the bitterness ?

something tells me she doesn't write ALL the music herself...

whiterain
18-09-2009, 11:25 AM
if anything file sharing just makes the whole of the indusrty fairer. its the massive mega rich artists whose stuff is mostly available to download, and they are the ones who can do without a bit of the extra cash. new upcoming artists will still have their music brought because its not easily available to find on the net thus making the whole thing more balanced

mark1963
18-09-2009, 11:46 AM
I've looked at your comments and I have to ask (nicely), did any of you actually read any of her comments?

She is not supporting the big record companies, in fact, she is saying they are dinosaurs who have ripped out the guts of A&R to keep their profit margins.

She is saying that everyone should sit down and come up with a third way. This would enable new talent to be brought to the fore and have the chance of making a success. I do not know how this would be achieved, but there are many people involved in making a professional record and they do have families and mortgages (probably big ones), and at the end of the day they do need to make a living.

It is horrendous what these record companies and countries (Sweden, France) are doing now by criminalizing without recourse millions of people.

It is the equivalent of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It will ultimately fail.

The fact that this may open an intelligent debate within the industry must only in the long term be a good thing.

Please do not flame me, but possibly could you just sit back and think about this.

vetis
18-09-2009, 11:52 AM
i dont think it can be any more obvious she is jealous of people being more popular than her and thinks if people didnt download she would make more money.

no-one buys your stuff because you are shit, people DO buy good music they love, see the bands live and so on.

gods sun
18-09-2009, 12:49 PM
isnt the word millions enough for her greedy cow

djhooker
18-09-2009, 12:59 PM
I think she's doing what is commonly know as a 'Lars Ulrich'

size_of_light
18-09-2009, 01:00 PM
The less money that these assholes and whores make from their 'music' the better.

When it's no longer about doing it for profit, we might actually start to here some tunes from people who actually give a shit, have talent, and create music from their hearts.

Lily Allen should stick to sodomy...thinking isn't her forte'.

moon monkey
18-09-2009, 01:08 PM
The less money that these assholes and whores make from their 'music' the better.

When it's no longer about doing it for profit, we might actually start to here some tunes from people who actually give a shit, have talent, and create music from their hearts.

Lily Allen should stick to sodomy...thinking isn't her forte'.

Sodomy you say? Now I really like her !

Oh little Lily be mine. Oh Lily I love you and I want to live with you !

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/halfcross/Lily-Allen-1120210.jpg

size_of_light
18-09-2009, 01:16 PM
You're easily impressed.

How old are you, 16?

kweli
18-09-2009, 01:20 PM
something tells me she doesn't write ALL the music herself...

*waits for 'Ian2day' to enter & lay claim* Sorry dude - couldn't resist :D

moon monkey
18-09-2009, 01:32 PM
You're easily impressed.

How old are you, 16?

You're about twenty years out brother.

She doesn't impress me, but then I don't find her repellent either as you seem to. I think she is an attractive young woman who is probably too honest for her own good and in a few years she'll more than likely look back at a few things she's said and cringe. That's about it.


My comments on this subject matter are entirely for my own amusement and if you feel the need to get precious carry on. One thing is for sure. I'm not likely to be impressed by you as you've exposed yourself as a forum bully/smart arse.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/halfcross/shhh-tattoo-lily-allen.jpg

1eyeopen
18-09-2009, 02:28 PM
I download movies and music but no-one is losing any money because even if I didn't get it for free on the net I still would not buy it. I'll have it if it's free but not otherwise.

themime
18-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Wasn't her dad an anti-fascist street fighter?

I still would, but I'd be considering the irony all the way through.

droplicity
18-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Some industries have to die down depending on the times.
I pay for the computer
I pay for the internet connection
I pay for the electricity
You dont like I have that power to replicate something you produce?
Find another business!

So what about other industries like the intrument makers, the equipment makers etc etc? Should they get payed everytime their equipment is used? A trumpet can be used more than once and be heard by more than one person. And if the sound of the trumpet is recorded who owns the right to that sound? The trumpet player? The artist that conceived of the tune? The people that made the recording equipment? Or is it the person that made such a sound possible in the first place? Why should the trumpet maker only get payed once for his trumpet? Why should the recording industry be complaining? If the business isn't succeeding because of the technology age we are in then maybe that means you should go quietlyand find a job, or maybe just content yourself with what you get. People will pay for something they appreciate, they don't need your help.

I wont be dowloading any of your music, whether paid or unpaid until you become a little more humble.

grenadene
18-09-2009, 05:25 PM
something tells me she doesn't write ALL the music herself...

Nah she just does the colouring in :D

dolores1
18-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Britain is labouring (pun intended) under the delusion it’ll be allowed to put the interests of the corporate entertainment cartels in front of its citizens with spurious do-what-you’re-told legislation almost identical to that currently being touted by Hollywood and Big music spokesman Nicolas Sarkozy in France.

The French National Assembly has just okayed a draft law which would see ‘illegal’ downloaders thrown off the net without any kind of judicial process or proof of wrong-doing, as defined by Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music, on the one hand, and Time-Warner, Fox, Disney, Columbia, Paramount and MGM on the other.

And that’s the way to go, implies Britain’s Lily Allen.

Principally fronting for Hollywood is MPAA boss Dan Glickman, and for the labels, a whole slew of extortion units led by the BPI (British Phornographic Industry) in Britain.

And fronting for them in the UK are intellectual property minister David Lammy (right) and iz lordship, Peter Benjamin Mandelson, aka baron Mandelson.

http://www.p2pnet.net/images/dlam.jpg
“A rift has opened between music’s creators and its record labels, with a broad alliance of musicians, songwriters and producers fiercely criticising the business secretary Lord Mandelson’s plans to cut off the broadband connections of internet users who illegally download music,” p2pnet said recently, going on »»»

Mandelson’s plans aren’t Mandelson’s plans, however. They’d be more properly attributed to Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music who, together with the major Hollywood studios, Time-Warner, Fox, Disney, Columbia, Paramount, MGM, have intimidated weak-kneed governments such as those in the UK, France, New Zealand and Australia, into trying to implement what’s euphemistically called the Three Strikes Law.

It’s anti-P2P, anti-file sharing and anti-consumer designed to turn countries where it’s adopted into virtual copyright enforcement divisions, with ISPs acting as the fall guys.

But the entertainment cartels are are failing, and they’re failing dismally.

“Musicians from some of the world’s biggest bands are calling on the Government to abandon proposals to cut off the internet connections of people who illegally download music,” said Times Online last week, continuing »»»

Artists from bands including Radiohead, Pink Floyd and Blur told The Times that plans announced by Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, to suspend the internet accounts of those who engage in file-sharing will criminalise a whole generation of their fans.

The musicians, all part of the Featured Artists Coalition (FAC), a new group set up to represent the interests of recording artists, claim that despite the damage that file sharing does to sales of their records, it can also encourage people to buy concert tickets and merchandise.

Ed O’Brien, the Radiohead guitarist, said: “My generation grew up with the point of view that you pay for your music. Every generation has a different method. File sharing is like a sampler, like taping your mate’s music. You go, ‘I like that, I’ll go and buy the album’. Or, ‘you know what, I’ll go and see them live’. What’s going on is a huge paradigm shift.”

However, Allen doesn’t see it like that.

‘Music piracy is having a dangerous effect’

http://p2pnet.net/images/lalen.jpg

“I havent written on here for a while but I’ve taken the time to write this as I think music piracy is having a dangerous effect on British music, but some really rich and successful artists like Nick Mason from Pink Floyd and Ed O’Brien from Radiohead don’t seem to think so,” says Allen on her blog, going on »»»

Last week in an article in the Times these guys from huge bands said file sharing music is fine. It probably is fine for them. They do sell-out arena tours and have the biggest Ferrari collections in the world. For new talent though, file sharing is a disaster as it’s making it harder and harder for new acts to emerge. Heres a link to the article http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6828262.ece

Mason, O’Brien and the Featured Artists Coalition say that file sharing’s “like a sampler, like taping your mate’s music”, but mix tapes and recording from the radio are actually very different to the file sharing that happens today.

Mix tapes were rubbish quality – you bought the real music, because you liked the track and wanted to hear it without the DJ cutting off the end of each song. In digital land pirated tracks are as good quality as bought tracks, so there’s not a need to buy for better quality. The Featured Artist Coalition also says file sharing’s fine because it “means a new generation of fans for us”. This is great if you’re a big artist at the back end of your career with loads of albums to flog to a new audience, but emerging artists don’t have this luxury. Basically the FAC is saying ‘we’re alright, we’ve made it, so file sharing’s fine’, which is just so unfair to new acts trying to make it in the industry.

You don’t start out in music with the Ferraris. Instead you get a huge debt from your record company, which you spend years working your arse off to repay. When you manage to get a contract, all those pretty videos and posters advertising your album have to be paid for and as the artist, you have to pay for them. I’ve only just finished paying off all the money I owe my record company. I’m lucky that I’ve been successful and managed to pay it back, but not everyone’s so lucky. You might not care about this, but the more difficult it is for new artists to make it, the less new artists you’ll see and the more British music will be nothing but puppets paid for by Simon Cowell.

And it’s not like there aren’t alternatives to illegal downloads anyway. Sites like Spotify give us access to new music and different music without having to rip someone off – you can listen to tracks and see if you like them before you buy them. Then obviously there’s MySpace, that streams music and helps acts like me get enough fans to convince record companies to sign us up.

If this sounds like I’m siding with the record bosses, I’m not. They’ve been naive and complacent about new technology – and they’ve spent all the money they’ve earned on their own fat salaries not industry development. But as they start to lose big from piracy, they’re not slashing their salaries – they’re pulling what they invest in A&R. Lack of funds results in A&R people not being able to take risks and only signing acts they think will work, which again makes British music Cowell puppets.

Is this the way we want British music to go? Now, obviously I’m going to benefit from fighting piracy, but I think without fighting it, British music is going to suffer.

I don’t think what’s out there is perfect. It’s stupid that kids can’t buy anything on the internet without credit, forcing them to steal Mum’s credit card or download illegally. It’s this kind of thing that the record company bosses, artists, broadband providers and government should be sitting down and discussing. I’m off to South America on tour today, but i’m going to be writing British artists, saying just this.

File sharing’s not okay for British music. We need to find new ways to help consumers access and buy music legally, but saying file sharing’s fine is not helping anyone – and definitely not helping British music. I want to get people working together to use new digital opportunities to encourage new artists.

Stay tuned as we watch the UK and French governments dig their own graves, with the entertainment industry providing the shovels.

lots of good responses @ source: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28565

How do you say heil in French?

dolores1
18-09-2009, 05:32 PM
P.S. Who is Lily Allen?

size_of_light
18-09-2009, 05:39 PM
You're about twenty years out brother.

She doesn't impress me, but then I don't find her repellent either as you seem to. I think she is an attractive young woman who is probably too honest for her own good and in a few years she'll more than likely look back at a few things she's said and cringe. That's about it.


My comments on this subject matter are entirely for my own amusement and if you feel the need to get precious carry on. One thing is for sure. I'm not likely to be impressed by you as you've exposed yourself as a forum bully/smart arse.

I don't mean to be a forum bully/smart arse, but I'll take that on board, because I probably am at times.

The only other thing I can comment on is that you're defending her because she's 'an attractive young woman' and then stating that she's 'too honest for her own good'.

No man.

You've got the hots for her and your dick is leading the way. She's speaking absolute fucking shit and paving the way for the enslavement of your grandchildren.

Blow a load, snap out of it and let's be buddies.

rodin
18-09-2009, 05:53 PM
P.S. Who is Lily Allen?

A member of the Groucho Club

Groucho Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edible
18-09-2009, 06:08 PM
how very interesting :rolleyes:

rixxmixxhell
18-09-2009, 07:56 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/halfcross/shhh-tattoo-lily-allen.jpg

With or without her programming trigger? ssshhh.:rolleyes:

P2P takes back what has been stolen from millions.

To be honest most people i know don't even know how to torrent.

Maybe i should give PAYED lessons eh??

flickflack
18-09-2009, 08:58 PM
if she's worried about the money she could get a normal job? i give my music away for free to anyone who wants it, since music isn't about money.

i may have to post some shit on her myspace.

But would you not want to make a living of your music? Many artists don't want another job; they simply work as an artist. It's often much better to have a job that you like, rather than a job just for the money. So if an artist don't want to be anything else than an artist, I think we should respect that. If they own the copyright, it's theirs, and they are the rulers of their own creations.

wakeup2nwo
18-09-2009, 09:03 PM
In all honesty only shit artist should fear file sharing.
If your stuff is good people will buy it , and go to see your shows.
If you suck they won't buy it and wouldnt come to your show's , simple really.
People seam to think just cause you get into music etc your ment to make money , well no thats not a given, you either got it or don't .

thats the way it used to be, live gigs pay the bills and bootleg your own shit to get your name out, thats how it should stay

disorder2k8
18-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Ugly ? I don't think that's right at all.

Talentless ? Why the bitterness ?

I'm entitled to my own musical tastes without being judged all the time at who I consider crap or hideous in anyway :p

scootleroyale
18-09-2009, 10:15 PM
WTF?! Now Matt Bellamy of Muse is joining in...
http://www.clashmusic.com/news/muse-talk-file-sharing

"Also, usage should have a value. Someone who just checks email uses minimal bandwidth, but someone who downloads 1GB per day uses way more, but at the moment they pay the same. It is clear which user is hitting the creative industries and it is clear which user is not, so for this reason, usage should also be priced accordingly.

The end result will be a taxed, monitored ISP based on usage which will ensure both the freedom of the consumer and the rights of the artists."

Coming from someone who's a 9/11 truther and a fan of David Icke who wrote an entire album based on Orwell's 1984 that's some pretty shocking doublethink.

nezmond
18-09-2009, 11:50 PM
this is the same age old rant realy, i agree with most but not all coments on here. i dont think the artists are solely to to blame its the people that back them that need to knock a peg down. if we carry on with p2p then hope will prevail and corporations will fall. Atleast we will see who the real artists are the ones that have such a real passion for music that they are prepared to write produce and distribute there own material, music will be so much less dull. same with films less blowing stuff up and more spiritual reality and and awakening. im sure if and artists and actors where free to produce there own creativity we would be touched so much more and in turn i think people would want to give there money. its funny how at the beginning of some motion pictures they bable on about how moraly wrong it is to buy pirate copies as it funds terrorism. Well id rather take that chance than buy the genuine article and fund the NWO! so for example i would be happy to give david icke some of my money as i feel hes has helped awaken me to the reality we live in. but i wouldnt give any to jay z so he can waste it on hoes an weed i know this dosent apply to all artists but but if majority the money that we pay them goes to fueling nwo and propaganda then we should treat them as a majority just like they treat there own citizens as a majority. Like jenga, if you remove the dead wood from beneath the tower then all the individual blocks above fall leaving all the dead wood below to rot and the above blocks to become individual and free to write, produce and distribute material which is there own creativity (if they love music and film enough to want to do this, and tbh if they did not then i for one would not miss them) and in result we will see ones own divine creativity how they want us to see there material.

grenadene
19-09-2009, 12:03 AM
I'd love to see Matt Bellamy in an interview with Peter Mandellson :)

lase
19-09-2009, 12:39 AM
Who the hells Lilly Allen.

skyver
19-09-2009, 12:50 AM
I heard her slagging off Radiohead for them allowing optional donations for their last album.

There's something about Lily Allen that I really don't like. She's a dickhead and her music is mediocre....... style over content....yet again :rolleyes:

Likewise, I share your view RE Ms allen.

supertzar
19-09-2009, 12:56 AM
They need a new format. Who wants to buy CDs? At least make them Super Audio CDs or something. Vinyl is surging 'cause it is the shit. They need a better digital approximation of vinyl.