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[geo2]

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We see the globalist agenda at work in Star Trek and its spin-offs as well. Over the years, many a television viewer's mind has been imprinted with the idea that centralized government is the solution for our problems. Never mind the complexities of the issue--never mind the fact that, in the real world, centralization of power leads to tyranny. The reptile brain, hypnotized by the flickering television screen, has seen Captain Kirk and his culturally diverse crew demonstrate time and again that the United Federation of Planets is a good thing. Therefore, it must be so.

It remains to be seen whether the Masters of Deception will, like those scientists in The Outer Limits, stage an invasion from space with anti-gravity machines and holograms, but, if they do, it will surely be broadcast on television, so that anyone out of range of that light show in the sky, will be able to see it, and all with eyes to see will believe. It will be War of the Worlds on a grand scale.

Jack Kerouac once noted, while walking down a residential street at night, glancing into living rooms lit by the gray glare of television sets, that we have become a world of people "thinking the same thoughts at the same time."

Every day, millions upon millions of human beings sit down at the same time to watch the same football game, the same mini-series, the same newscast. And where might all this shared experience and uniformity of thought be taking us?

A recent report co-sponsored by the U.S. National Science Foundation and the Commerce Department calls for a broad-based research program to find ways to use nanotechnology, biotechnology, information technology, and cognitive sciences, to achieve telepathy, machine-to-human communication, amplified sensory experience, enhanced intellectual capacity, and mass participation in a "hive mind." Quoting the report: "With knowledge no longer encapsulated in individuals, the distinction between individuals and the entirety of humanity would blur. Think Vulcan mind-meld. We would perhaps become more of a hive mind--an enormous, single, intelligent entity."

There is no doubt that we have been brought closer to the "hive mind" by the mass media. For, what is the shared experience of television but a type of "Vulcan mind-meld"? (Note the terminology borrowed from Star Trek, no doubt to make the concept more familiar and palatable. If Spock does it, it must be okay.)

This government report would have us believe that the hive mind will be for our good--a wonderful leap in evolution. It is nothing of the kind. For one thing, if the government is behind it, you may rest assured it is not for our good. For another, common sense should tell us that blurring the line "between individuals and the entirety of humanity" means mass conformity, the death of human individuality. Make no mistake about it--if humanity is to become a hive, there will be at the center of that hive a Queen Bee, whom all the lesser "insects" will serve. This is not evolution--this is devolution. Worse, it is the ultimate slavery--the slavery of the mind.

And it is a horror first unleashed in 1938 when one million people responded as one--as a hive--to Orson Welles' Halloween prank.

In a sense, those people who fled the Martians that night were right to be afraid. They were indeed under attack. But they were wrong about who was attacking them. It was something far worse than Martians. Had they only known the true nature of the danger facing them, perhaps they would have gone to the nearest radio station with torches in hand like the villagers in those old Frankenstein movies and burned it to the ground, or at least commandeered the new technology and turned it towards another use--the liberation of humanity, instead of its enslavement.
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[lifeofbrian]

Very important post ^ - totally agree with it.

[astraltraveller]

that was a great post geo2 .

i wonder if all the tv we have been watching over the years wich is the fact brainwashed reality also doubles as software for the hive mind efectualy being our operating system if we are to all be linked together at some stage so we become noyhing more than the most powerfull organic super computer on earth , like the borg .

[dark86]

following on from this;


why are all local radio stations (in UK anyway) identical, especially in the morning. All have a man and a 'sidekick' women trying to be funny, talking about school runs and work, all have crappy 'guessing game' competitions. It doesnt matter what region you are in, these shows are identical. what the
f00k is that about? i have always wondered about this and this topic has just reminded me of this.

[astraltraveller]

dark86

i have noticed this too and i listne to talksport just to hear the james whale part , after that its shit and even whale has a sidekick but they have alex jones and dave icke on sometimes . i am probably wrong but ive had the feeling they have a sidekick because two heads are better than one and people keep phoneing these stations who are waking up and asking too many questions that the broadcasters dont like so i have thought thier is two of these bitches so they can protect each other and defend each other against the callers or rarther the sidekick is thier to get the main presenter out of trouble and help him come up with bullshit to explain away what the cller was talking about and when things get too hot on the phone they just cut the caller off and they even get cut off as soon as they mention just one word that the presenters are not comfortable with , i think they are all shitting themselves .

[limelady]

i think they are all shitting themselves

And may their shit flow for all to see!!!! :D

[lifeofbrian]

dark86

i have noticed this too and i listne to talksport just to hear the james whale part , after that its shit and even whale has a sidekick but they have alex jones and dave icke on sometimes . i am probably wrong but ive had the feeling they have a sidekick because two heads are better than one and people keep phoneing these stations who are waking up and asking too many questions that the broadcasters dont like so i have thought thier is two of these bitches so they can protect each other and defend each other against the callers or rarther the sidekick is thier to get the main presenter out of trouble and help him come up with bullshit to explain away what the cller was talking about and when things get too hot on the phone they just cut the caller off and they even get cut off as soon as they mention just one word that the presenters are not comfortable with , i think they are all shitting themselves .

Directives from higher ups determines what is to get aired or not. If they could they would probably prefer to know all the questions and comments beforehand, so as not be at a loss and look foolish. Two presenters would not be necessary then, to save each others arses.

If they are shitting themselves it is probably not because of what any caller might say; it is because they know their heads will roll if they are unable to keep everything under control - the control their masters have decided is the order of the day.

[john white]

Very important post ^ - totally agree with it.

I disagree with it: it is squeezing many disparate elements together and hammering them into a "conspiracyfear" mindset, but the glue between the different elements is rather weak

The nature of television, for example, is not the fault of Star Trek, nor does it show that television was designed in order to faciliate the message of "Star Trek": in fact, the vast majority of television programs, operating as they do on a sub-moronic level, suggest quite the opposite: they suggest Star Trek is a rare example of a positive use of television!

Consider that Star Trek contains just as many, if not more, positive elements than negative ones: no need for money, no war, guarenteed basic quality of life for all, understanding and balanced meaningful exchange between cultures, no racism, sexism, irrational hate, respect for indivdual liberty and self determination, and so on. To take, for example, Star Trek's vision of a world united, and to see that as designed to facilitate a global fascist state, is indeed to peer "through a glass darkly": it is to surrender to irrational fear, in exactly the same way as adopting the mindset that the Illuminati control everything and there is nothing we can do

Fuck that!

Here is another recent Sci-Fi program:

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/1/6284/11299/69668/97402

Watch this from start to finish

This might appear on the surface to have elements of predictive programming: but does it, really? Objectively, what is the final message of the episode?

[lifeofbrian]

I disagree with it: it is squeezing many disparate elements together and hammering them into a "conspiracyfear" mindset, but the glue between the different elements is rather weak

The nature of television, for example, is not the fault of Star Trek, nor does it show that television was designed in order to faciliate the message of "Star Trek": in fact, the vast majority of television programs, operating as they do on a sub-moronic level, suggest quite the opposite: they suggest Star Trek is a rare example of a positive use of television!

Consider that Star Trek contains just as many, if not more, positive elements than negative ones: no need for money, no war, guarenteed basic quality of life for all, understanding and balanced meaningful exchange between cultures, no racism, sexism, irrational hate, respect for indivdual liberty and self determination, and so on. To take, for example, Star Trek's vision of a world united, and to see that as designed to facilitate a global fascist state, is indeed to peer "through a glass darkly": it is to surrender to irrational fear, in exactly the same way as adopting the mindset that the Illuminati control everything and there is nothing we can do

Fuck that!

Here is another recent Sci-Fi program:

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/1/6284/11299/69668/97402

Watch this from start to finish

This might appear on the surface to have elements of predictive programming: but does it, really? Objectively, what is the final message of the episode?

OK John.

Unity, oneness, conformity, 'we need not resist the illuminati because we are all the same and our love will cure their insanity', let's all get along and sacrifice our individuality and potential for independent thought on the altar of 'it is safer to agree and not go against the grain' - safety in numbers taken to the extreme.

David Icke went his own way once. Was singled out from the majority and forced to be his own man.

The result has become a movement advocating a new majority should keep up with David and not be their own persons.

The irony of it all.

Can you not see how the 'hive-mind' already is in action, even amongst people who think they are 'free'?

ETA: IMHO, solidarity, support, co-operation, tolerance and respect, all go a long way to ensure freedom for everybody. There is no need to overreact and overcompensate for any differences with the extreme 'unity idea' of the New World Order.

The way to discern False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR) is by practising staying cool, calm, and collected. Unity is in itself an illusion. Life has a way of disillusioning people though and teach us we cannot make other people do our bidding and follow our wishes. They must be allowed to take personal responsibility as well.

[john white]

OK John.

Unity, oneness, conformity, 'we need not resist the illuminati because we are all the same and our love will cure their insanity', let's all get along and sacrifice our individuality and potential for independent thought on the altar of 'it is safer to agree and not go against the grain' - safety in numbers taken to the extreme.

David Icke went his own way once. Was singled out from the majority and forced to be his own man.

The result has become a movement advocating a new majority should keep up with David and not be their own persons.

The irony of it all.

Can you not see how the 'hive-mind' already is in action, even amongst people who think they are 'free'?

I see (and I don't mean this personally, but i'm going to be frank) a whole load of projection and anxiety

If I was group thinking, I'd simply be agreeing with the article:

I'm not, and I have rational reasons why I am not, and I will always speak my truth honestly even if I am completely alone in doing so: I have no fear, and I do not care what anyone thinks of me: attempting to lump me in with a "group think" charactature does NOT dismiss the quality of my arguement

Where you get the message of "we dont need to resist the illuminati and lets all roll over and abandon individuality" from ANYTHING I write or express, I don't have the foggiest idea, I'm more inclined to see how someone could get that from Star Trek, but I still consider that to be a highly biased and slanted view that has to ignore a lot of evidence from the themes and messages of the show to make it fit:

And dare I say it: a view that may be a fear based response that in itself, shows just as much evidence of being "predictivly programed"

[john white]

Ultimately, this article, and others like it, are subtely arguing that it is imposible to use any form of media for positive purposes

[lifeofbrian]

I see (and I don't mean this personally, but i'm going to be frank) a whole load of projection and anxiety

If I was group thinking, I'd simply be agreeing with the article:

I'm not, and I have rational reasons why I am not, and I will always speak my truth honestly even if I am completely alone in doing so: I have no fear, and I do not care what anyone thinks of me: attempting to lump me in with a "group think" charactature does NOT dismiss the quality of my arguement

Where you get the message of "we dont need to resist the illuminati and lets all roll over and abandon individuality" from ANYTHING I write or express, I don't have the foggiest idea, I'm more inclined to see how someone could get that from Star Trek, but I still consider that to be a highly biased and slanted view that has to ignore a lot of evidence from the themes and messages of the show to make it fit:

And dare I say it: a view that may be a fear based response that in itself, shows just as much evidence of being "predictivly programed"

Well, I don't come from a point of anxiety so where you see that must be in your minds eye?

I respect your stand John, I simply have a different take on some issues.

Have a good day.

[john white]

Well, I don't come from a point of anxiety so where you see that must be in your minds eye?


Or in the article (and I did say don't take it personaly)

I respect your stand John, I simply have a different take on some issues.

Have a good day.

Absolutely, you too

ETA: IMHO, solidarity, support, co-operation, tolerance and respect, all go a long way to ensure freedom for everybody. There is no need to overreact and overcompensate for any differences with the extreme 'unity idea' of the New World Order.

The way to discern False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR) is by practising staying cool, calm, and collected. Unity is in itself an illusion. Life has a way of disillusioning people though and teach us we cannot make other people do our bidding and follow our wishes. They must be allowed to take personal responsibility as well.

Good addendum, and I mostly agree with it. POI I advocate becoming conscious of unity through diversity

[astraltraveller]

lime lady , if you listne to talksport you realy can detect nervesnous in them after some callers have got through and thier minds seem to go blank and they fumble a bit . like you say thier sit is running for us all to see , nice one hun hehe .


i agree with what you say john white . star trek has many possitive messages like all the ones you pointed out and ive loved it since i was very small . but gene rodenberry was a freemason wich is never good and if you google star trek with illuminati and other like phrazes a lot of sites pop up making connections . for exsample the star trek symbol is a sort of pyramid wich is a big givaway . and when you watch it even the first series you can pick up on things . as for the possitivity of star trek they try and present us with a space age uptopic reality and that they with thier one world government are the good guys wich is nice only if your one world government is not run by secret scocieties and reptiles who colude with alien species and demonic entities to enslave people .ovcourse the star trek one world government isnt like this but to the unawakened man and woman then the real governments we have are not like this but we know diffrent because we are awake . the utopic way of life with governing bodies we are presented by star trek looks ultimatly apealing , but hasnt this allways been the gameplan of the NWO ? i mean with thier problem reaction solution they make a one world government look apealing to the point the people will cry out for it . i came across a great website by accident the other day that shoed stills of the modern star trek with very telling illuminati symbolism in the background but i cant find it now wich is a great shame but to quote another website with a copy n paste ......


The communicator is a pyramid. By the way Star Trek was created to get us ready for a fake alien invasion to usher in the New World order .

anyway i still enjoy star trek and can understand why i do and a big part of it is the apeal of the utopic scociety were nobody ever gets sick and when they do mr hologram can fix it . im very ill myself and so is half the world and i bet a lot of treky fans are and think like me and while we loose ourselves in this ideal world of star trek we are being subliminaly conditioned with ideas and symbolism .

[john white]

i agree with what you say john white . star trek has many possitive messages like all the ones you pointed out and ive loved it since i was very small . but gene rodenberry was a freemason wich is never good and if you google star trek with illuminati and other like phrazes a lot of sites pop up making connections . for exsample the star trek symbol is a sort of pyramid wich is a big givaway . and when you watch it even the first series you can pick up on things . as for the possitivity of star trek they try and present us with a space age uptopic reality and that they with thier one world government are the good guys wich is nice only if your one world government is not run by secret scocieties and reptiles who colude with alien species and demonic entities to enslave people .ovcourse the star trek one world government isnt like this but to the unawakened man and woman then the real governments we have are not like this but we know diffrent because we are awake . the utopic way of life with governing bodies we are presented by star trek looks ultimatly apealing , but hasnt this allways been the gameplan of the NWO ? i mean with thier problem reaction solution they make a one world government look apealing to the point the people will cry out for it . i came across a great website by accident the other day that shoed stills of the modern star trek with very telling illuminati symbolism in the background but i cant find it now wich is a great shame but to quote another website with a copy n paste ......


Rodenberry was certainly into New Age channeling: though I don't know about him being a Mason: open to evidence if anyone can present any. That in itself is not a bad thing: There is a lot of wisdom in channeling, its not all shite: in that, its exactly the same as the potential of incarante Humans!

I certainly accept that Star Trek has limitations: these are, in part, becuase it's a television programme, and in part becuase it is a story, and the structure of story nessecitates certain limitations: the need for an adversary to drive the needs of the plot and so on. And I absolutely do not say we should be automatically acepting the need for a one world government: the actual political structures of the Star Trek world are not well defined, beyond Star fleet having sole responsibility for Planetary safety and an economic system without money (though this is displayed inconsitantly). The inference is a world of communities all with equal say, and an individual philospohy of broadly humanist unity.

From my POV, just because ideas appear similar to those expressed in Illuminism does NOT mean those ideas come from Illuminism, becuase the ideas do not belong to illuminism: they belong to all of us to reject or accept as we see fit. If anything, the ritualised illuminati mind is a parasite of real huamn potential and creativity: why else can it only create a world where the vast majority of humans are so brutally repressed?

It is not the concept of a world government I reject: it is the imposition of World Government by stealth, deception and force , the same as any kind of system including the current one, which is most assuredly fucked up: whatever the future of humanity is going to be, if it is going to be a real future it must be made freely, with eyes open, by free will choice.

The old bloodline elites are driven by their fear: they fear to dream of a world without them at the top. It is a personal belief of mine that they need us to rescue them from themselves. Whether we end up with a world government, or keep national governments, one thing we do need is very clear: equality and justice between all nations to benefit all people: anything else is a recipe for death and destruction: if we cannot acheive harmony with our needs and our technology against the harmony of the biosphere we all depend on, we will end up in a dark age.

How we get to the future we hope for matters a lot less to me than that we do get there: becuase that is the message of my heart. I hope we get there by a spiritual revolution and entering a new consciousness, resulting in a rennaisance of human self image, based on compassion, Love, and taking back our power, developing our self responsibility and become active participants in the world: yet I can only do my part in that

anyway i still enjoy star trek and can understand why i do and a big part of it is the apeal of the utopic scociety were nobody ever gets sick and when they do mr hologram can fix it . im very ill myself and so is half the world and i bet a lot of treky fans are and think like me and while we loose ourselves in this ideal world of star trek we are being subliminaly conditioned with ideas and symbolism .

I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you are able to return to health again

Always remember that although symbolism is indeed everywhere, the power of symbol is only what we invest in it: As we continue to awaken, manipulation through symbolism becomes effectively impossible (IMHO)

You know, at the end of the day: if anyone really has issues with Star Trek: why not imagine a better vision of the future, go our there and get it made!

(on Telly, or ever better, for REAL!)

[limelady]

Great heart-felt post there JW. Thankyou for allowing us
to see into the goodness that is you. :)

LL

[astraltraveller]

it realy is a pleasure conversing with you john white . you seem to have a nack of sinning brilliant light and love were thier is darkness and you are allways very polite and i admire your quality of holding to this even in response to other people .


i dont know about any prof of gene being a mason , i have no proof of that , i was just going by what i have observed by watching the series and that someone on this website said it .....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_14.htm

i think its on that site anyway but even if he is it doesnt have to be a bad thing and i know from personal experience . my grandmothers boss was a mason and he is the most kind hearted person you could ever whant to meet and he has looked after her for years thus i have bennefited also because my gran is all i have and being disabled i cant create my own income but thanks to my grans many years of service to her boss she has allways been able to help me financialy wich i dont feel good about but withough her help i woulod have been dead a long time ago . she says her boss is no longer a mason anyway wich might be because i told her to tell him sertain things or he might have left of his own accord but i cant help thinking he may still be involved and is just saying he has left , i dont know .

you raise many good points john that i cant fault . i could say more about star trek like i wish they would come accross more freindly spiritualy enlightened aliens but if they just kept comming accross those types then thier might not be much of a story and like you say thier needs to be an advisary and they are needed for an action movie .

thanks for your well wishes john i realy apreciate it , but ive tried everything and i sometimes get the feeling god doesnt whant me to get well and it could be to teach me something but i wish he wouldnt do this because i cant become anymore kind or understanding and empathic than i am now and dont see i can learn anymore from being in this state . ive tried things i know that works and has cured many but no not me , like glyconutrients , they form stem cells from the bone marrow and have cured many and stem cells cure anything but no not me lol .

[astraltraveller]

oops i meant to say shinning bright light . how the heck could i have typode sinning , sheesh .

[limelady]

astraltraveller, can I have your permission to send you love and
healing?

LL :)

[astraltraveller]

well said lime lady and you to bring brilliant white light every time you post . i on the other hand sometimes feel like a farmers muck spreader and i think big pharma,s drugs are lowering my vibration but im nearly off one lot and then thiers just one to go hopefully .

[astraltraveller]

my god , thats so sweet and kind of you lime lady , i would love it so much if you would do that for me . i feal so honourd and your kindness has made my eyes water .

thnks so very much , im so glad i finnaly started to post in here instead of just looking at davids newsletter .

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[soglad]

my god , thats so sweet and kind of you lime lady , i would love it so much if you would do that for me . i feal so honourd and your kindness has made my eyes water .

thnks so very much , im so glad i finnaly started to post in here instead of just looking at davids newsletter .

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I've met the most wonderful people in my life here. Honestly, where were these people before? :confused:

We are the new generation here to heal the world, help us! :D

[astraltraveller]

sorry lime lady i just tried opening your message in a new window but i got a message saying a popup blocker might have blcked it . im using firefox browser have you any ideas what i could do , i havnt got a popup blocker unless spyware doctor blocked it so i just disabled it . im very sorry about this :confused:

[astraltraveller]

hello soglad . i think the same thing , i never meet many people like who is here in the forum in real life , ive met mainly bad people who are like who made me sik in the first place .

i have a freind who has had bad things happen to her , she is convinced thiers hardly any nce people in the world but i tell her they are in the world but they are all spread out and the net brings them together .

i have thought before i must be an alien and dont belong here sice i was a kid but we are not alone and we must be here for a special reason.

[john white]

I wish I could say I am always polite, but I'm not that good a person (yet?): but I am always polite to anyone from whom I feel a healthy human heart and soul

I can tell that you are experiencing a lot of physical suffering, and that is always sad. One decision I made a year ago that has greatly enriched my life is working with elderly people, which I do part time, as a warden at a sheltered housing scheme. In that time, four of the residents have passed, and I have been enriched both by the opportunity to help others with kindness and compassion, and by the inspiration I have recieved from the acceptance and gratitude for their life they all displayed

They have helped me to appreciate every moment in this wonderous place, the marvel of physicality, the perfection of nature, to sense the spirit that moves through all things as a living prescence, as real as any other sense

I cannot think of any better way to be than how you are right now: to be the best being you can be regardless of circumstance: by doing so you are as best prepared as you can be to return to health: and yet, whether we are experiencing being "ill" or being "well", we are all having the same experaince: to make the utmost of every moment that is given us

One day I will pass: I do not know when: it might be soon: it might be many years away

But there is one thing I know, becuase there is one choice I have already made:

When I pass, I shall do so with Gratitude, with Trust (submission), and with Love

If we reach that point at the end of our journey here, what else matters?

Certainly not the obsession with money and power that drives the poor lost ones we know as "the illuminati":

The only thing that ever got anyone was a posh looking pile of stone over their bones

We seek something far better:

We seek a life of real significance

We seek to walk this life with God

Much Love to you astraltraveller

Something tells me you're here for a good while yet!

[limelady]

my god , thats so sweet and kind of you lime lady , i would love it so much if you would do that for me . i feal so honourd and your kindness has made my eyes water .

thnks so very much , im so glad i finnaly started to post in here instead of just looking at davids newsletter .

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You are welcome astraltraveller, but unfortunately I'm not always as kind and loving as I'd like to be, but I am working on it. :)

In the PM I sent you that you couldn't open, I asked if you'd feel comfortable private messaging me with the details of your illness, as it will help me to know what to focus on when sending your high-vibratinal healing energy.

Not too sure how to tackle you pop-up probs (probably something needs to be altered in your computer settings), but can you send a PM O.K.?
Just left-click on my name to the left and use the "send limelady a PM" in the drop-down function there.

:)

[astraltraveller]

thanks john white , much love to you too .

i too worked with old people , i was doing ameinity structured gardening on yts and my first placement was at an old peoples home looking after the grounds , aint that an amaizing coincidence that my job was so similar to yours , syncronicity or what . anyway i got all the worst jobs , moving tons of cow poo and soil and weeding all the time while the head gardener who was suposed to be teaching me allways had an excuse to go out in the van or have about ten shytes a day lol . the only rewarding thing i got out of it was when i was actualy in the home itself watering the plants and i didnt even mind scrubbing the carpets were the pentioners had dropped plops because i got the chance to be with them and they apreciated me . all i remember learning from them though was that they are drugged with antipsychotics and loose thier matbles and forget who i was and then the next moring the ambulance was thier with my freind in a black body bag and no way is my gran going into one of those places . they were thrown around like rag dolls and shouted at with piss all to do all day while the boss would go out in his bently to the golf course and making me use the old runner bean and sweet pea string and tie it up to make one long peice instead of buying a new ball .

i did love nature though and plants and now im in a city i wish i was back with natre , i pine to be back with it .

i wish i was as confident as you john , i think we might all end up in some kinda prison or death camp and im on addictive drugs and will be in hell , i think about suicide a lot to escape it so ive researched life after death a lot but suicide i think turns people into ghosts or trapped in some dimension , i gotta get off these dam things asap , im nearly off one though .

rite i gotta eat

[astraltraveller]

i sent you a pm lime lady

thanks again for doing this . i have had about 6 reiki attunements so i know what they feel like , i dont know what kind of healing you are sending though but i will sit here and see if i notice anything .

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[limelady]

i sent you a pm lime lady

thanks again for doing this . i have had about 6 reiki attunements so i know what they feel like , i dont know what kind of healing you are sending though but i will sit here and see if i notice anything .

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I got your PM thanks astral.
I will go to work on this now.

All the love
LL :)

[astraltraveller]

ok , i hope it will go well for you too and hope im not a pain in the astral:)

[limelady]

ok , i hope it will go well for you too and hope im not a pain in the astral:)

Of course it will go well, and in no way will you be a "pain".

LL :)

[lifeofbrian]

Or in the article (and I did say don't take it personaly)



Absolutely, you too



Good addendum, and I mostly agree with it. POI I advocate becoming conscious of unity through diversity

I think maybe the wires were crossed somewhere? In your view the Star Trek show was being attacked as negative programming, was that your impression? I read the whole article and my impression is that it was primarily about human behaviour, conditioning and the effects of it. I suppose your describing your personal stand made me guess the level was personal from your side. Misunderstandings happen.

Thanks. So far Thursday has been OK.

If you have any examples off the top of your head why not post how, and make it more tangible; how you suggest people go about reaching unity through diversity, or how you did?

On a new note & back to the article. As mentioned, to me it was primarily about human behaviour and the hive mind, not the starship Enterprise. The reason I mentioned David Icke as one who escaped the hive mind, is because that is what I feel is his greatest gift to the rest of the population. I remember the ridicule he had to put up with. The 'shut up and go away' attitude from the majority of the British population. An absolute disgrace. Full grown adults acting like 12 year olds and as if he was not entitled to be taken seriously, when all he wanted was to speak his mind and share what he had experienced.

"Actions speak louder than words."

I think David Icke embodies this very well. He has led by example. He did not 'shut up and go away'. He exercised his right to speak his own truth and in the end it does not matter what that truth may be; what matters is that he used his free will to be himself and not give in to the majority. He had gone through something remarkable and wanted to know what it was about. Very generously, he has shared his findings with anybody willing to adopt an open mind and give him the time of day.

This is the antidote to the animalistic hive mind. This is what being human - Man - is all about. Being yourself. Speaking your own truth. Not following some 'party line' or the latest trend.

I for one owe David Icke a lot due to the inspiration his actions have provided. I might disagree with his truth as it is his truth and not mine, I am not him. But I will continue to support his right to believe whatever he wants. Like I think religious people should be allowed to believe whatever they want.

David Icke 'walking his talk' spelled: Think For Yourself.


I work with dogs, both rehabilitation and training. Dogs do not understand words. They don't even understand or identify with the names people give them. What dogs do, is sense the energy a person gives off. The only thing they relate to, is energy.

Humans are not dogs. Humans are likewise not 'Illuminati'. 'Illuminati' are entities much like animals; primarily reading and relating to energies. The 'moods' people 'give off'. And then they play politics. That is what psychopaths do.

If someone claims that the Illuminati can be 'loved' out of power, that is a huge mistake and projection. Applying human psychology to an animal does not work. And it does not work on the Illuminati. 'Love' means nothing to them. It is not in their vocabulary. Just like spoken language is not something 'real' to dogs.

This is vital to know for anybody wanting humans to be free to be human.
Some humans would like us to be 'pack animals' controlled by the reptilian brain forever. Alpha males, hive mind, and all that jazz.

It is a personal choice.

[synergy777]

astral listen to john, lime lady, soglad, everyone gets to these dark stages, sometimes it personal, sometimes it public. ridicule and persecution are inevitable, self doubt, fear, etc is all a part of the opening up process. on this forum there are many who will help you, we are all here for a reason, and in joining this forum, you are a step closer to finding out yours.

i have found most of the fourm members to be the meekest/nicest/intelligent people i know. i'm not you average forum type, i have seen both sides. being meek is nice, but sometimes the arrogant left hemisphere/reptile core genetic clones need to be put in their place.

bro remember suicide is not the answer, life is better, but only after you travel through the darkness, to live is to know. we are all here to help. for the emotional, love dovey stuff, the previously mentioned are the people to help, they are good peoples.

if you need any attitude training, then let me know bro, lol i'll have you putting your collars up like cantona, and strutting around with an air of invicibility.lol

1love, peace.

[lifeofbrian]

Of course it will go well, and in no way will you be a "pain".

LL :)

Are you a shaman, Ma'am?

[synergy777]

thats a shawoman, before the women lib/pc crowd get all funny, lol

[lifeofbrian]

Technically it's shaman for both sexes but - Oops. Cheers for the warning.

[john white]

I think maybe the wires were crossed somewhere? In your view the Star Trek show was being attacked as negative programming, was that your impression? I read the whole article and my impression is that it was primarily about human behaviour, conditioning and the effects of it. I suppose your describing your personal stand made me guess the level was personal from your side. Misunderstandings happen.

Thanks. So far Thursday has been OK.

I didn’t see the article as attempting to undermine a worthy edifice called "Star Trek": but as using "Star Trek" as the primary example to make its case: therefore I challenged it on the basis of discussing "Star Trek" and the themes therein.

It might just as well have been talking about any of the great futuristic/fantasy stories from the 20th century: Doctor Who, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter, or the work of any of the great imaginative writers: Azimov, Herbert, May, Heinlein, Lewis, Dick, Huxley, Orwell, etc etc etc: even Terry Pratchett!

I suppose this is all support for the contention "Art is a Mirror": we see within it that which is within ourselves reflected back at us

If you have any examples off the top of your head why not post how, and make it more tangible; how you suggest people go about reaching unity through diversity, or how you did?

A great and worthy question: and very apt really, because the sci-fi show i linked earlier in the thread actually shows one way of approaching that very understanding:

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/1/6284/11299/69668/97402

I believe this question most assuredly deserves a thread of its own, and I shall take up the opportunity to create time for one in the near future

But in general terms:

A shift in perception: to see the vast majority of what we have in common, instead of the small minority of what we have apart

To focus on the qualities of life we wish for ourselves, and to adopt a philosophy of allowing and defending those qualities in and for others

To recognise we have the same basic needs and the same basic fears, the same basic hopes and the same basic loves, regardless of politics, economics, religion, science

To recognise that however we understand the world, we are all experiencing the same process, of assimilating information and constructing our sense of self from it: which is to recognise that regardless of our culture, we are all the same awareness at the centre of ourselves: but then to celebrate the vastness of the diversity of the inner worlds we construct from ourselves: to have confidence in ourselves, and thus not succumb to the fear of the differences in others

That will do to be going on with...

On a new note & back to the article. As mentioned, to me it was primarily about human behaviour and the hive mind, not the starship Enterprise. The reason I mentioned David Icke as one who escaped the hive mind, is because that is what I feel is his greatest gift to the rest of the population. I remember the ridicule he had to put up with. The 'shut up and go away' attitude from the majority of the British population. An absolute scandal. Full grown adults acting like 12year olds and as if he was not entitled to be taken seriously, when all he wanted was to speak his mind and share what he had experienced.

"Actions speak louder than words." I think David Icke embodies this very well. He has led by example. He did not 'shut up and go away'. He exercised his right to speak his own truth and in the end it does not matter what that truth may be; what matters is that he used his free will to be himself and not give in to the majority. He had gone through something remarkable and wanted to know what it was about. Very generously, he has shared his findings with anybody willing to adopt an open mind and give him the time of day.

This is the antidote to the animalistic hive mind. This is what being human - Man - is all about. Being yourself. Not following some 'party line' or the latest trend.

I for one owe David Icke a lot due to the inspiration his actions have provided. I might disagree with his truth as it is his truth and not mine, I am not him. But I will continue to support his right to believe whatever he wants. Like I think religious people should be allowed to believe whatever they want.

Absolutely agree


I work with dogs, both rehabilitation and training. Dogs do not understand words. They don't even understand or identify with the names people give them. What dogs do, is sense the energy a person gives off. The only thing they relate to, is energy.
Humans are not dogs. Humans are likewise not 'Illuminati'. 'Illuminati' are entities much like animals; primarily reading and relating to energies. The 'moods' people 'give off'.

I wonder if, beneath the surface layer of "mind", are we any different? Perhaps "mind" distracts us from this truth, whereas animals have no such "inconvenience" to cope with? Opposable thumbs and mentation may make humans capable of far more than animals, but they also represent additional challenges to cope with

If someone is claiming that the Illuminati can be 'loved' out of power, that is a huge mistake. Applying human psychology to an animal does not work. And it does not work on the Illuminati. 'Love' means nothing to them. It is not in their vocabulary. Just like spoken language is not something 'real' to dogs.

The illuminati may very well be the last people to open themselves to Love: this does not mean is not the most effective means to dissolve their illusion of control: because it is Love, fellowship and community between people that remove the power of both the sticks they use to beat us, and the carrots they dangle to tempt us

This is vital to know for anybody wanting humans to be free to be human.
Some humans would like us being 'pack animals' forever. Alpha males and all that jazz.

It is a personal choice.

Which can only work as long as we remain in the state of consciousness where the "alpha male" mindset defines the desired way to live: we can raise our consciousness beyond such levels and find harmony in higher ways

that is the potential within us all, the potential the Illuminati are most terrified by

(as I defined it earlier: a world where we do not "need" them)

And in my view it is that very potential that the work of Icke, and people like Icke, are working to unlock for the mutual benefit of all

And I would say, by virtue of the "work" of living our lives, that includes you: and it includes me

[cheesedanish]

Hey exactly the same here - I can think of 2 radio stations where they have the funny sidekick lady throwing the comments, what's up with that - entertainment? Voice of reason?

[lifeofbrian]

I didn’t see the article as attempting to undermine a worthy edifice called "Star Trek": but as using "Star Trek" as the primary example to make its case: therefore I challenged it on the basis of discussing "Star Trek" and the themes therein.

It might just as well have been talking about any of the great futuristic/fantasy stories from the 20th century: Doctor Who, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter, or the work of any of the great imaginative writers: Azimov, Herbert, May, Heinlein, Lewis, Dick, Huxley, Orwell, etc etc etc: even Terry Pratchett!

I suppose this is all support for the contention "Art is a Mirror": we see within it that which is within ourselves reflected back at us



A great and worthy question: and very apt really, because the sci-fi show i linked earlier in the thread actually shows one way of approaching that very understanding:

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/video/1/6284/11299/69668/97402

I believe this question most assuredly deserves a thread of its own, and I shall take up the opportunity to create time for one in the near future

But in general terms:

A shift in perception: to see the vast majority of what we have in common, instead of the small minority of what we have apart

To focus on the qualities of life we wish for ourselves, and to adopt a philosophy of allowing and defending those qualities in and for others

To recognise we have the same basic needs and the same basic fears, the same basic hopes and the same basic loves, regardless of politics, economics, religion, science

To recognise that however we understand the world, we are all experiencing the same process, of assimilating information and constructing our sense of self from it: which is to recognise that regardless of our culture, we are all the same awareness at the centre of ourselves: but then to celebrate the vastness of the diversity of the inner worlds we construct from ourselves: to have confidence in ourselves, and thus not succumb to the fear of the differences in others

That will do to be going on with...



Absolutely agree




I wonder if, beneath the surface layer of "mind", are we any different? Perhaps "mind" distracts us from this truth, whereas animals have no such "inconvenience" to cope with? Opposable thumbs and mentation may make humans capable of far more than animals, but they also represent additional challenges to cope with



The illuminati may very well be the last people to open themselves to Love: this does not mean is not the most effective means to dissolve their illusion of control: because it is Love, fellowship and community between people that remove the power of both the sticks they use to beat us, and the carrots they dangle to tempt us



Which can only work as long as we remain in the state of consciousness where the "alpha male" mindset defines the desired way to live: we can raise our consciousness beyond such levels and find harmony in higher ways

that is the potential within us all, the potential the Illuminati are most terrified by

(as I defined it earlier: a world where we do not "need" them)

And in my view it is that very potential that the work of Icke, and people like Icke, are working to unlock for the mutual benefit of all

And I would say, by virtue of the "work" of living our lives, that includes you: and it includes me

Most interesting. Shall get back to this with a reply at a later time John White. The forum is like a fine wine; best enjoyed in small doses. So until then, cheers.

[astraltraveller]

lime lady

thanks very much for what you have done , i hope you didnt mind me disapearing but i explained why in my pm . i hope i can do something for you some day .


to everyone else i think it was my fault about talking about star trek , i took the thread in the wrong direction because i misenterpreted the original message and feel like i have hijacked it along with me mentioning im ill and long to be on the other side . so please accept my apologies .

synergy777

i thank you kindly for what you have said and for offering your support , this is indeed the best community in the world as far as im concerned , you have all welcomed a stranger with open arms wich is what i have done all my life and have been bitten almost every time yet despite this possibility to be biten you guys speak from your hearts and are not afraid to sound lovey dovey and its great when you can do this and be the person you realy are inside withought having to fear ridicule and withought having to put on the hard hearted cloak we sometimes have to wear when in public and around some freinds who might be tough guys like my freinds but even they are now showing cracks of empathy . as for suicide i dont see it the same as other people , for me it isnt about self pitty and depression . for me its just very plain , i have been ill for so long and cant get well , i have almost zero quality of life and every day is a struggle even to do the simpleast of things . i dont call it suicide i hate that word , to me it is just about having the rite to move on into another body because this space suite i am having no fun in and it seems to be irepairable and i realy have tried everything , im going to become even sicker at some point also when i come off all the drugs wich makes me whant to stay on one of them but it seems its not going to be an option .

anyway sorry for changing the subject .

peace guys

[geo2]

:) since u guys went all-over the place or added 2the view of the Reptile-Mind......will just post this item here 4the thrill-of-it.............................
http://www.vydi.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=97