Jews run the Music Biz [Archive] - David Icke's Official Forums

rodin

15-09-2009, 09:18 PM

Part deux

Black Music

"Jewish women vaudevillians at the turn of the century popularized what is now a little-discussed and misunderstood performance venue, known as "coon shouting" ... Trying to break into the entertainment business, [Tin Pan Alley entrepreneurs'] aesthetics were circumscribed in a vehemently antiblack and xenophobic milieu. By the mid-1880-s they had formed a tight-knit Tin Pan Alley industry that came to dominate vaudeville and early black musicals ... Intended as comedy, coon song ranged from jocular and dismissive to cruel and sadistic ... Coon song sheet music and illustrated covers proliferated defamatory images of blacks in barely coded slanderous lyrics. For example, the 'N' word and associated inferences were dispatched in words like 'mammy,' 'honey boy,' 'pickinniny,' 'chocolate,' 'watermelon,' 'possum,' and the most prevalent 'coon.'" [LAVITT, P., 2000, p. 253-258] Especially well known Jewish "coon callers" included Sophie Tucker, Stella Mayhew, Fanny Brice, Anna Held, Eddie Cantor, and Al Jolson.

Jews have long gravitated to an entrepreneurial exploitation of the Black cultural scene and jazz music. As Burton Peretti notes:

"Aside from the hazards of the mob [organized crime] environment, the exploitation faced by jazz players was rather typical for this era [1930s and 1940s]. Jazz, like minstrels and ragtime before it, came under the control of professional promoters who sought to make music profitable. [They adapted] the technique of advertising, song plugging, and vaudeville ... Some promoters, like Joe Glaser (who managed Louis Armstrong in the thirties) were associates of organized crime who left the underworld when prohibition was repealed. Glaser apparently had overseen Al Capone's profits from the Sunset Cafe and a prostitution ring before he became Armstrong's manager in 1935. Many more promoters, however, were veterans of Tin Pan Alley, Manhattan's song-publishing industry, including Irving Mills, a former singer and songwriter who managed Duke Ellington's and other black bands in the thirties." [PERETTI, p. 147]

Glaser ran the Associated Booking Corporation, often "the exclusive agent for many of the top Black performers. He became a close associate of many of the top underworld figures in Chicago and New York, whom he met through his band-booking agency." [MOLDEA, p. 14] Glaser had been an early partner in the company with eventual MCA chief Jules Stein. In 1962, mob-linked attorney Sidney Korshak, also Jewish, gained control of the ABC company. [MCDOUGAL, p. 141] Mills and Paddy Harmon, owner of Chicago's Dreamland Cafe, "sought and gained spurious renown, as Mills took partial credit for many Ellington compositions and Harmon patented and gave his name to a trumpet mute that had long been popular among Joe Oliver and other black players." [PERETTI, p. 148]

The rip-off of Black artists was a norm for the era. As Al Silverman notes in the case of Fats Waller:

"In his time Fats wrote the melodies to over 360 songs. Not that many bear his name today, unfortunately, because when money was needed he'd write the music and sell all rights to unscrupulous Tin Pan Alley characters." [SILVERMAN, p. 129-130]

"That practice of show business share-cropping ... in the 1920s and 1930s," notes the director of Harlem's Apollo Amateur Night, Ralph Cooper, "existed right on through the fifties and sixties. Its bitterness still exists among many performers to this day -- a bitterness from the theft of their songs, their sound, their talent." [COOPER, p. 199]

The Jewish community, of course, isn't comfortable with this history. As Jewish author Neal Karlen describes one African-American depiction of the Jewish music hustler:

"In the 1990 film Mo' Better Blues, Spike Lee crafted an artful if blazingly anti-Semitic portrait of the fictional Moe Flatbush, an avaricious Jewish club owner intent on swindling black jazzmen. The ferretlike, Yiddish-spouting Moe, played by John Turturro, was seemingly lifted straight from the pages of the anti-Semitic screed The Protocols of Zions." [KARLEN, N., 1994, p. 145]

The Jewish agent-producer exploitation of Black recording artists in the early rhythm and blues era of the 1940s and 1950s (and later) was predominant and widespread, entrenching a Black hostility among many to their Jewish financial controllers to the present day. The following Jewish entrepreneurs were among those who founded record labels featuring mainly Black talent: Herman Lubinsky (Savoy Records); the Braun family (DeLuxe Records); Hy Siegal, Sam Schneider and Ike Berman (Apollo Records); Saul, Joe, and Jules Bihari (Modern Records); Art Rupe (Specialty Records-- its biggest hits were those of Little Richard); Lev, Edward, and Ida Messner (Philo/Aladdin Records); Al Silver and Fred Mendelsohn (Herald/Ember Records); Paul and Lilian Rainer (Black and White Records); Sam and Hy Weiss (Old Towne Records; Sol Rabinowitz (Baton Records -- Rabinowitz eventually became vice president of CBS International); and Danny Kessler (head of OKeh Records, a "cheap" branch of Columbia Records). Sydney Nathan controlled both the King and Federal record labels and Florence Greenberg owned the Mafia-influenced Scepter Records (featuring the Shirelles and Dionne Warwick.

"During the 1960s, Warwick gained fame singing [Jewish] Burt Bacharach-Hal David compositions such as 'Walk on By' and 'I Say A Little Prayer.' In 1985, she had a brief comeback with another Bacharach song, 'That's What Friends Are For,' sung with Elton John, Stevie Wonder and Gladys Knight.") [CNN, 5-13-02] "Those illiterates," Hy Weiss of Olde Towne once said about his recording artists, "they would have ended up eating from pails in Delancey Street if it weren't for us."

Also a good source is 'Machers and Rockers' by Cohen

linky coming up I promise

rodin

15-09-2009, 09:26 PM

Part Drei

Fook Moosik

Israel Young ran the Folklore Center in New York's Greenwich Village in the 1960s. Fred Weintraub owned the well-known Bitter End nightclub. Manny Roth ran Cafe Wha? Among the prominent Jewish folksingers of the era were Bob Dylan, Phil Ochs, Jack Elliott, Peter Yarrow (of Peter, Paul, and Mary), David Blue (Cohen), and two (Fred Hellerman and Ronnie Gilbert) of the four Weavers. Ballad singer Leonard Cohen had a grandfather who was the first president of the Canadian Jewish Congress. Moe Asch (whose father, Sholem, was "the most widely read Yiddish writer of the twentieth century") [GOLDSMITH, P., p. 1] headed Folkway Records, the label that released recordings by Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger (manager: Harold Levanthal), Doc Watson, Black blues artist Leadbelly, Josh White, Black poet Langston Hughes, and ethnic performers from around the world. (Woody Guthrie's wife, Marjorie Gleenblatt Mazia, was Jewish, and their child, Cathy Ann, was "raised as a Jew." [POLLAK, O, p. 12])

Guthrie even lived with Marjorie in a Jewish neighborhood in Coney Island. Asch got into the recording business with a connection to David Sarnoff, the eventual head of NBC-RCA. [GOLDSMITH, P., p. 60] A later version of Folkways was Verve/Folkways, which featured Tim Hardin, Richard Havens, and Jewish artists Laura Nyro and Janis Ian. (Nyro's original name was Nigro, and her name was changed for fear that people might call her "Negro.") [KING, T., 2000, p. 73]

Another Jewish entrepreneur, Maynard Solomon, headed another prominent folk-oriented record label, Vanguard, which featured Joan Baez, Buffy St. Marie, Eric Anderson, among others. Another folk label in Chicago, Flying Fish, was founded by Bruce Kaplan. Jewish popular musical performers are many and varied, including the Beastie Boys ("widely castigated for glorifying sex and violence") [ANDERSON, 1991, p. 173], Bette Midler, Billy Joel, Barry Manilow, Randy Newman, Carly Simon (one of the heirs to the Simon-Schuster publishing house fortune), Helen Reddy, Lesley Gore, David Lee Roth of Van Halen, Lou ("Take a Walk on the Wild Side") Reed, [BELL, I., 6-1-93, p. 12] and Mountain's Leslie [Weinstein] West. Donald Fagen co-founded Steely Dan. Marty Friedman of Megadeth is Jewish, as is Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac, Marty Balin of Jefferson Airplane, Marc Knopfle of Dire Straits, Paul Stanley (Stanley Eisen) and Gene Simmons (born Chaim Whitz in Haifa, Israel) of Kiss, Perry Farrell (Perry Bernstein; son of a diamond dealer) of Jane's Addiction, Kevin Dubrow (lead singer of Quiet Riot), Slash of Guns 'n Roses, Geddy Lee ( of Rush -- born Gar Lee Weinrib), Eric Bloom (lead singer of Blue Oyster Cult), Robbie Robertson, Warren Zevon, Jeff Beck, Mick Jones (of the Clash), Gavin Rossdale (head of Bush), Jay (Blatt) and the Americans, Marc Bolan of T-Rex, Manfred Mann (Lubowitz), Norman Greenbaum, Phranc (a Jewish lesbian folksinger), and Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman of the Turtles. And on and on. Jewish interest in the subject notes that ukelele-rooted Tiny Tim's mother was Jewish, Donovan's mother was Jewish, Cyndi Lauper's father is Jewish, Country Joe MacDonald's mother is Jewish, Twisted Sister's Dee Snider's father was Jewish and on and on. [JEWHOO, 2000; BOUCHER, G., 4-17-01, p. 62; TAYLOR, L., 12-27-00, p. F5]] Even the 1998 "Eurovision Song Contest winner" -- featuring an event watched by 100 million people in 33 countries -- was Israeli transsexual Dana International, born Yaran Cohen).

Not Jewish? Want to make it in the music business? Enhance your chances by learning Yiddish:

"Even gentiles learned to salt their language with pinches of Yiddish, the industry's vernacular. Courtney Love, not long before her own major label debut at Geffen Records, began boning up with the help of Leo Rosten's The Joys of Yiddish. 'I'm going to blow the minds of all those shemedricks at the record company,' Courtney said.

wait for it...

rodin

15-09-2009, 09:29 PM

Part Quatro

Les Beatles

In the 1960s era, the Beatles' agent/manager, Brian Epstein, was Jewish, as was the promoter, Sid Bernstein ("New York's leading promoter in the mid-sixties," [GLATT, p. 87] of their early Carnegie Hall and Shea Stadium concerts. The head of Bernstein's employer -- the General Artist Corporation -- was Norman Weiss, also Jewish. A Jewish entrepreneur in America, Irwin Pincus, "secured foreign rights on six original Beatles recordings." [ELIOT, M, p. 127] These seminal tunes appeared on the Vee Jay label (which also recorded the popular Four Seasons) in the early months of "Beatlemania' in America. (Meanwhile, the state of Israel banned the Beatles from performing there in 1965 "for fear of the decadent affect it would have on Israel's youth)." [FRANKEL, G., p. 273]

Sandy Gallin (also Jewish and, like Epstein, gay) "shot to stardom after booking the Beatles for their legendary 1964 American debut on The Ed Sullivan Show." [KING, T., 2000, p. 93] "The daughter of prosperous furniture manufacturers in Sheffield," says Albert Goldman, "[Brian Epstein's mother] had been educated in a school dominated by Roman Catholics, an experience that led to her to attribute all her subsequent misfortunes in life to anti-Semitism, another trait Brian adopted." [GOLDMAN] "At age ten," adds Chet Flippo, "[Brian] was expelled from Liverpool College for scrawling dirty pictures. He and his mother attributed the expulsion to anti-Semitism." [FLIPPO, C., 1988, p. 143] Both Epstein's parents "were from prominent Jewish families in Liverpool" and he was an heir to his family's NEMS company: the North End Music Store chain, which was purchased in the 1930s. [FLIPPO, C., 1988, p. 143] "Brian didn't care that much about the Beatles' music," writes Flippo, "They knew that early on and he always acknowledged it. He had absolutely no experience in managing a group and the Beatles knew that. His contacts, such as they were, were with the business side of record companies." [FLI_PPO, C., 1988, p. 142]

Epstein, notes the Jewish Forward, was a "gay, Jewish record-department manager -- of the Liverpool store owned by his parents -- who met the Beatles and in little more than a year turned them into the most successful musical act in the world. The life of the Beatles' first manager has been familiar to Beatles fans for decades, though always as one of the sideshows to the record-shattering main attraction. With the focus reversed, some arresting tidbits emerge, such as when Paul McCartney explains his father's immediate approval of Epstein. 'He thought Jewish people were very good with money,' Mr. McCartney says. 'That was the common wisdom. He thought Brian would be very good for us ... And he was right ... If anyone was the fifth Beatle, it was Brian.' MANDELL, B., 2001]

A biography of Epstein is entitled "The Man Who Made the Beatles." "While none of his performing artists were Jews," notes author Roy Coleman, "Brian veered towards the company of Jews in the music business, and some of his senior colleagues were Jews: Nat Weiss, Dick James [originally Richard Leon Vapnick], Dan Black, Vic Lewis, Bernard Lee." [COLEMAN, p. 345] Weiss became partners with Epstein in a company called Nemperor Artists. Another Beatle-based company (called Stramsact in London and Seltaeb in America) was formed, in conjunction with Epstein's lawyer, David Jacobs, to merchandize everything from Beatles chewing gum to wallpaper. Jacobs funneled considerable Beatles business in America to famous Los Angeles Jewish lawyer Marvin Mitchelson. [JENKINS, p. 85] David Jacobs, note Peter Brown and Steven Gaines, "adored the young Brian Epstein and took him under his wing. The two men were similar in many coincidental ways. Their families were both in the furniture business, both were born and bred of money, and both had doting Jewish mothers. Both were homosexual. David Jacobs became Brian's chief solicitor. From then on, all legal decisions and contracts would be made with David Jacobs' advice." [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 122]

Victor Lewis, also Jewish, was the Managing Director of yet another Epstein company, NEMS Enterprises. The Beatles had a 10% interest in this company that was based on their profitability; Epstein and his brother held the other 90%. [COLEMAN, p. 305] As Decca writer Tony Barrow once noted, "As for hiring of staff, what John Lennon said to me upon our introduction -- 'if you're not queer and you're not Jewish, why are you joining NEMS?' -- proved to be pretty accurate. They weren't all Jewish, but that was the ideal combination of the two things that were most close to [Epstein] or his family's heart." [COLEMAN, p. 178]

Nemperor Holdings (formerly NEMS) was eventually sold to Jewish businessman Leonard Richenberg of Triumph Trust. "Trust became a 90 percent holder of Nemperor ... The Beatles were stunned that they had lost Nemperor." After various legal threats, they managed to reacquire it). [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 322] The aforementioned Jewish businessman, Dick James, controlled the Beatles' publishing licenses and was their publisher at Northern Songs. James, note Peter Brown and Steven Gaines, "became the for the Beatles a symbol of the music business. He was a balding Jewish 'uncle' to the boys, a man with a big cigar and a sly smile, who taught John and Paul one of the biggest lessons of their lives ... John and Paul would form a songwriting partnership called Northern Songs ... Dick James, in return for his responsibilities as a music publisher, would get 50 percent of the earnings. In literal terms Brian [Epstein] signed over to Dick James 50 percent of Lennon and McCartney's publishing fees for nothing. It made him wealthy beyond imagination in eighteen months." [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 186]

Chet Flippo notes the context of Epstein's death (an overdose of sleeping pills):

"There were immediate rumors then, just as there are rumors now, that Brian Epstein was murdered as the end result of one or another of the many business deals that he had cut regarding the Beatles. There were so many murky deals, involving so many people and so much money, that it could even have been a deal that he failed to do that might have resulted in such rumors of vendetta and revenge. Subsequent court hearings over the years have showed that the Beatles were probably -- there is no information for this kind of data -- the most underpaid superstar performers ever. Given thier worldwide acclaim and the milions of records they sold, one would have imagined that they were millionaires many times over. That was hardly the case ... As Paul [McCartney] especially had started to try to dig into the Beatle business books, which they had never even thought to do during the Fab Beatlemania years, suspicions of Brian had started bubbling to the surface." [FLIPPO, C., 1988, pl. 244]

Also after Epstein's death, in 1969 James sold the rights to the Beatles songs from under them. "It was the single most contentious deal arising from the Epstein-James era," says Coleman. "The Beatles were angry at what they regarded as betrayal." [COLEMAN, p. 306] Marc Elliot notes that James sold "his interest in Northern Songs to the notorious [British Jewish media mogul] Lew Grade, known in the film industry as Low Grade." [ELLIOT, p. 158] Epstein also had "good communication" with Grade's brother, Bernard Delfont, "one of the czars of London show business." [COLEMAN, p. 245-246]

Epstein also managed the career of singer Cilia Black. "After Cilia's performance [in New York City]," notes Brown and Gaines, "Brian threw a party for her in a hotel suite upstairs. The party was crowded with press and New York show business personalities when some woman within Brian's earshot remarked that the lobby of the Plaza Hotel looked 'Jewish.' Brian flew into a wild rage. The party came to a halt around him as he screamed, 'Madame, I happen to be Jewish!’.... It was a small miracle the incident didn't find its way into the press." [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 183]

Moving in the circles of rich and powerful, notes Coleman, "Brian had struck up a particularly warm rapport in London with Bernice Kinn, wife of the owner of the New Musical Express. An ebullient, intuitive Jew, she and her husband Maurice formed part of the core of London's 1960s show business hosts and party goers." [COLEMAN, p. 245-246]

Another of Epstein's "close friends" was Lionel Bart (Beglieter), the Jewish song writer for many of pop star Cliff Richard's songs, and originator of the musical score for the musical play, Oliver! [PRESS ASSOCIATION NEWSFILE, 4-3-99] The Beatles' "official photographer" during their peak years (1962-67) was Jewish -- Dezo Hoffman. Paul McCartney's wife Linda (Eastman -- originally Epstein) was also Jewish. [GILBERT, G., 1996, p. 77, 172] Eastman's father also became active in legal squabbles between the Beatles, especially between McCartney and Lennon. McCartney's lawyer in this contentious era, Charles Corman, was an Orthodox Jew. [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 333]

The producers of the Beatles first movie, A Hard Day's Night, were Walter Shenson and Bud Orenstein. Richard Lester directed the movie, and is also Jewish. [JEWHOO; online] Famous Jewish singer Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman) introduced the Beatles to marijuana the first time he met them, a gathering arranged by music writer Al Aronowitz. [BROWN/GAINES, 1983, p. 150]

After John Lennon's death, another Jewish agent, Elliot Mintz, has been for years Yoko Ono's publicist (he has also worked as a public relations man for Bob Dylan, and other capacities with pop singers throughout the years). Immediately after Lennon's assassination, an employee, Fred Seaman, and his "old college roommate," "psychiatrist and New York diamond dealer" Bob Rosen, set up a network (termed "Project Walrus") to market Lennon's stolen journals and other memorabilia. [MINTZ, 1991] One of the most famous popular music producers of the 1960s -- Phil Spector -- was also Jewish. Specter was renowned for his strange temperament and a music style described as a "wall of sound."

"Philip was a very strange person," remarked pop singer Sonny Bono, "He always had a tough time staying rational, a real tough time." [WADE, p. 100] Specter also founded Phillips Records with partner Lester Sil. "The most famous pop producer [Spector] of them all," noted the Los Angeles Times in 1988, "was a bigger superstar than any singers among his bullpen he kept on hand to belt out wonderfully disposable ditty after ditty -- and he kept it that way by issuing most of the singles under the name of some generic group, not the actual lead singer." [WILLMAN, C., 10-11-88, CALENDAR, p. 10]

Another top Jewish manager, Allen Klein -- starting out with clients like Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme (both Jewish), Bobby Darin, and Sam Cooke -- eventually owned the Cameo Parkway company, managing many of the biggest British musical acts of the 1960s, including the Rolling Stones (whose early agent was Sandy Lieberson), the Yardbirds, the Kinks, the Animals, and Donovan. Eventually, upon Brian Epstein's death, Klein even managed the Beatles' Apple company. "Klein was a New York accountant," notes Mark Hertsgaard, "whose foulmouthed personality and street-fighter instincts masked a razor-sharp financial mind but helped explain his propensity for attracting lawsuits and tax fraud accusations." [HERTSGAARD, p. 287] "At the peak of his career," says Phillip Norman, "his company was involved in fifty lawsuits," [NORMAN, p. 184] including one with the Beatles.

The Rolling Stones once sued Klein for $29 million. [SANDFORD, p. 164] Christopher Sandford notes that "By midsummer [Rolling Stones singer Mick] Jagger was unable to mention his manager's name [Klein] calmly. Later he gave an interview in which he stated, 'Half the money I've made has been stolen. Most artists in show business suffer the same kind of thing... It's all the hangers-on and parasites. There are very few honest people in the profession." [SANDFORD, p. 139]

Klein had this interchange with a Playboy interviewer in 1971:

"Q: Would you lie?
A: Oh, sure.
Q: Would you steal?
A: Probably. Look. You have to survive. Whatever it takes ... It's a game for Chrissakes and winning is everything." [GARFIELD, p. 257]

go on then

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/music.htm

be sure to add in essence of Michael Jackson...

rodin

15-09-2009, 09:41 PM

What links Lord Mandelson, Damien Hirst and the music industry?

Overvalued, irksome, conceited, pudge-faced, balding, boring, awful celebrity art nob Damien Hirst has apparently become embroiled in a ludicrous feud with a 19-year-old graffiti artist called Cartrain. Hostilities erupted in 2008, when Cartrain created a sarcastic collage that included an image of Hirst's stupid bling-encrusted skull "artwork" (the one that reportedly sold for £50m at auction, although that figure is disputed by virtually anyone who still retains some degree of faith in humankind).

When Cartrain's humorous collages were put up for sale online, Hirst reportedly complained to the Design and Artists Copyright Society. The website selling Cartrain's works buckled under legal pressure and surrendered the collages, along with an apology.

Witless appropriation

Obviously, this involved some chutzpah on Hirst's part...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/14/charlie-brooker-damien-hirst

starshine

15-09-2009, 10:42 PM

Simon Cowell himself is said to be Jewish, and this is no reason to detest the man in all reality.

clozaril

15-09-2009, 10:50 PM

Dead Kennedys - "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" (Live) Subterranean Records - YouTube

rodin

17-09-2009, 06:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQ19tAw6h0&feature=related

LOL we know whew killed the Kennedys

I can remember the time David Jacobs farted on Jewk Box Jewry :D

d9d9d9

17-09-2009, 06:49 PM

rodin why don't you join some nazi forum? ... and stay there.

bradstone

17-09-2009, 06:51 PM

rodin why don't you join some nazi forum? ... and stay there.

He can do whatever he wants. Jews have prominent roles in the music business. So what?

Think he should be jailed for saying that?

rodin

17-09-2009, 06:52 PM

He can do whatever he wants. Jews have prominent roles in the music business. So what?

Think he should be jailed for saying that?

One star how fitting

rodin

17-09-2009, 06:55 PM

rodin why don't you join some nazi forum? ... and stay there.

Nazi forums are often as not run by Jews

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/829716.html

NAZI and HITLER are product placement words inserted by Holocaust inc wherever possible

d9d9d9

17-09-2009, 06:57 PM

NAZI and HITLER are product placement words inserted by Holocaust inc wherever possible

You don't feel loved here? You gonna cry now?

rodin

17-09-2009, 07:36 PM

You don't feel loved here? You gonna cry now?

Click on my name. I have friends. Same as you. Well, not the same friends of course :D

decim

17-09-2009, 08:33 PM

gene simmons/kiss interview

http://erim.net/misc/GeneSimmons_TerryGross.mp3

There is a video knocking around where simmons calls a Gentile a goy, I think it was 'family jew els'.

I can't find it anywhere, strange that..

darketernal

17-09-2009, 08:38 PM

life2live

17-09-2009, 08:46 PM

If all else fails, blame the Jews.

After all people been doing it for 2000 years. I think iTunes and Youtube these days control the music industry

bealert

17-09-2009, 09:18 PM

:D

Part Uno

Classical

linky coming up
someone should really report this guy for constantly posting racists comments and whats worse the mods have not done anything about it. Someones religion should not have anything to do with what job they do...but its only idiots like Rodin that make problems by spreading there hate and malicious lies in attempt to degrade Jews and fire racism.
he should be banned from this forum...

krakhead

17-09-2009, 09:23 PM

the mark

17-09-2009, 09:38 PM

However is responsible for Coldplay should be sacked. :D

meksar

17-09-2009, 09:39 PM

Beyonce's Sasha Fierce Baphomet Hexagram Pose - YouTube

life2live

17-09-2009, 09:40 PM

someone should really report this guy for constantly posting racists comments and whats worse the mods have not done anything about it. Someones religion should not have anything to do with what job they do...but its only idiots like Rodin that make problems by spreading there hate and malicious lies in attempt to degrade Jews and fire racism.
he should be banned from this forum...

In a forum you will hear things you don't agree with but one of the strengths of this forum is it's freedom of speech. That means sometimes you here opinions you don't agree with, but its far better that people are free to express those opinions and learn from the responses.Besides if the Jews are running music there doing a shit job, its all been crap since Bob Marley died :)

So I may not agree with the poster but I defend his right to say it. The Jewish are advocating that "mein kampf" should be published because freedom of speech and opinion override our offense in reading opinion we don't agree with. Also its a chance for polarised positions to be challenged and changed through discussion. Who knows in a few months maybe the poster will find some of his favourite songs came from an ethnic section he thought he did not like.

"I've Got A Feeling .... Fill up my cup Mozoltov........."

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 09:51 PM

Can't rodin post something about Jews regarding bands I can relate to?

Speaking of music, I would like to offer rodin my condolences on Dissential being dissolved.

bealert

17-09-2009, 09:59 PM

When did an anti-religious statement constitute a 'racist' statement. Race and religion are very different things.

I thought you were very anti-religion? Why aren't you anti Jewish as well?
whether i believe in god is off no consequence to this conversation..my beliefs are not important...i do not like some religions nor do i like the way there beliefs are put forward in arguments but then that's up to me.
The Jews are a race that have been picked on for thousand of years.. sweeping statements meant to degrade a certain type of race such as the Jews or whatever religion have been made by insinuating a person or company can be judged just because of hes race. A person cannot be judged by he's race and therefore comments should not be made insinuating they can be especially in a negative perspective on a open forum. Even if comments are made in a complementary fashion about a race it can still be regarded as racism if used in certain situations.

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 10:05 PM

Nazi forums are often as not run by Jews

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/829716.html

NAZI and HITLER are product placement words inserted by Holocaust inc wherever possible

So how do we know you're not run by Jews?

bealert

17-09-2009, 10:05 PM

In a forum you will hear things you don't agree with but one of the strengths of this forum is it's freedom of speech. That means sometimes you here opinions you don't agree with, but its far better that people are free to express those opinions and learn from the responses.Besides if the Jews are running music there doing a shit job, its all been crap since Bob Marley died :)

So I may not agree with the poster but I defend his right to say it. The Jewish are advocating that "mein kampf" should be published because freedom of speech and opinion override our offense in reading opinion we don't agree with. Also its a chance for polarised positions to be challenged and changed through discussion. Who knows in a few months maybe the poster will find some of his favourite songs came from an ethnic section he thought he did not like.

"I've Got A Feeling .... Fill up my cup Mozoltov........."
im sorry but there is no such thing as freedom of speech there are boundaries in which we must all abide to and i believe in this case the boundaries have been broken. Yes we can all make statements in which we provoke others but to insinuate a person can be judged because of hes race hes racism.. a person can be slagged off because of the way he defends a argument but if we assume all people are off a particular nature just because of there race and we chose to put that in writing or speak about it its racism.

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 10:21 PM

When did an anti-religious statement constitute a 'racist' statement. Race and religion are very different things.

I thought you were very anti-religion? Why aren't you anti Jewish as well?

I'm not myself for censoring rodin in any way, but having known rodin (online) for around three years if he is not a hardcore anti-semite I have no idea as to what could possibly qualify. He blames just about anything and everything on the Jews. Up to and including crop circles and the death of Douglas Adams.

So while I would not myself support Bealert in calling for rodin to be moderated - indeed, I think he's often very entertaining with the wacky things he comes out with - I would have to agree with his classification of rodin as he very clearly does not like Jews because they are Jews. For whatever reason.

hadabusa

17-09-2009, 10:34 PM

dogsmilk, want a link to a engros tissues dealer?

free speech4rodin,ill jump into your adl bullets to save a rodin.

want the adl contact form,btw?
lol,me thinks that wasa naive question

shalom,bro

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 10:35 PM

dogsmilk, want a link to a engros tissues dealer?

free speech4rodin,ill jump into your adl bullets to save a rodin.

want the adl contact form,btw?
lol,me thinks that wasa naive question

shalom,bro

Could you possibly repeat that in English?

hadabusa

17-09-2009, 10:44 PM

Could you possibly repeat that in English?
ill do it even in hebrew for ya.

ok.
need a link to a major tissue dealer?

i think rodin shouldnt be shut up, plz keep your anti semite strawman bs outta this.its disgusting.

complain to the adl, im sure you have a direct dial in headquarters number.

if this would equal calling yourself, dont do it.

the signature, im laughing about that statement,not endorsing it.

shalom,bro
:cool:

life2live

17-09-2009, 10:48 PM

im sorry but there is no such thing as freedom of speech there are boundaries in which we must all abide to and i believe in this case the boundaries have been broken. Yes we can all make statements in which we provoke others but to insinuate a person can be judged because of hes race hes racism.. a person can be slagged off because of the way he defends a argument but if we assume all people are off a particular nature just because of there race and we chose to put that in writing or speak about it its racism.

I don't believe any boundaries have been broken. And I do believe in freedom of speech. The fact you don't I find very scary. And by the way exactly when did you appoint yourself the judge,the jury and the executioner? Should I be banned too because I disagree with you?

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 10:53 PM

ill do it even in hebrew for ya.

ok.
need a link to a major tissue dealer?

i think rodin shouldnt be shut up, plz keep your anti semite strawman bs outta this.its disgusting.

complain to the adl, im sure you have a direct dial in headquarters number.

if this would equal calling yourself, dont do it.

the signature, im laughing about that statement,not endorsing it.

shalom,bro
:cool:

You can write whatever you like in Hebrew, but do not expect me to understand it.

I specifically said I thought rodin should not be censored - did you miss that part? I do, however, consider him to be an anti-semite. As I said, if he is not I would really struggle to understand what could possibly qualify.

Why would I need a link to a tissue dealer? Though many people consider them unhygienic, I have to say I prefer to use a handkerchief.

shalom,bro

And a good day to you to. I see you're obviously Jewish which would explain your knowledge of Hebrew.

krakhead

17-09-2009, 10:55 PM

whether i believe in god is off no consequence to this conversation..my beliefs are not important...i do not like some religions nor do i like the way there beliefs are put forward in arguments but then that's up to me.
The Jews are a race that have been picked on for thousand of years.. sweeping statements meant to degrade a certain type of race such as the Jews or whatever religion have been made by insinuating a person or company can be judged just because of hes race. A person cannot be judged by he's race and therefore comments should not be made insinuating they can be especially in a negative perspective on a open forum. Even if comments are made in a complementary fashion about a race it can still be regarded as racism if used in certain situations.

I agree with you entirely about your views on race. But what has that got to do with being Jewish? There is no Jewish race.

hadabusa

17-09-2009, 10:57 PM

krakhead,jews claim a race4them, they even specify it,dont they?

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 11:03 PM

I agree with you entirely about your views on race. But what has that got to do with being Jewish? There is no Jewish race.

I agree with that, but Jews do not necessarily agree with that and neither do anti-semites. Otherwise the Nuremburg Laws would have been very different and people would not keep trying to 'prove' various people are/were Jews because of Jewish ancestry, real or otherwise. None of the Bolsheviks practiced Judaism, but there are plenty of people on this forum that will claim to you communism is a Jewish conspiracy (though how they engineered communism in China does remain to be 'explained')

life2live

17-09-2009, 11:06 PM

Why is there no Jewish Race? I don't understand please enlighten me

meksar

17-09-2009, 11:14 PM

The Antichrist and Luciferian Doctrine is the GLOBAL ZIONISM and its Satanic New World Order!.Jews Muslims & Christians are all supposed to be brothers.

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 11:17 PM

Why is there no Jewish Race? I don't understand please enlighten me

Why is there? Judaism is a belief system. How can you meaningfully define a race in terms of a belief system?

life2live

17-09-2009, 11:20 PM

I understood Judaism as a bloodline passed only by the mother. That they believe they are chosen people. A belief system would surely not be carried by a bloodline

song_of_susannah

17-09-2009, 11:39 PM

All this hatin is leaving me confused, who is it I'm supposed to hate on again? oh yeah the Jews, err no it's the Muslims, oh hang on it's those infernal immigrants... what if someone is a black foreign Jewish immigrant who converts to Islam :eek: lord have mercy, where's me gun!

dogsmilk

17-09-2009, 11:47 PM

I understood Judaism as a bloodline passed only by the mother. A chosen people. A belief system would surely not be carried by a bloodline

Well if you listen to team crackpot anti-semite, they only invoke mummy when it's there. Quite recently Jewish ancestors hundreds of years ago were apparently sufficient to make the Rockerfellers Jewish.
You can convert to Judaism. And then you're a Jew aren't you? Take the Khazars -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Conversion_to_Judaism_and_relations_with_w orld_Jewry
they didn't undergo any magical 'racial' changes when they converted did they?

If the Jewish religion had never evolved, would there ever have been any concept of that particular group of people being some kind of distinct race?

bealert

17-09-2009, 11:57 PM

I don't believe any boundaries have been broken. And I do believe in freedom of speech. The fact you don't I find very scary. And by the way exactly when did you appoint yourself the judge,the jury and the executioner? Should I be banned too because I disagree with you?
if we have freedom of speech why is there mods?
the fact you believe you can write what ever you want is more of a lack of education ...(no disrespect) many laws are there to protect individuals against those that would slander them other wise the press would be free to write what they want without prosecution. Its a shame you cant see when boundaries have been broken it just shows you only see what you want to see and not whats there in plain English to read. The very fact boundaries have been broken and you cant see it is even more worrying and seems to be a great example of our boundaries are pushed back with constant exposure to a crime or situation and increase tolerance where perhaps there should be none

bealert

17-09-2009, 11:59 PM

I agree with you entirely about your views on race. But what has that got to do with being Jewish? There is no Jewish race.
In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.
i personally believe there not a race but that's another argument depending on what you believe.

bendoon

18-09-2009, 12:20 AM

The Jews are a race . .

That is highly debateable, since there are black Jews, Caucasian Jews, Chinese Jews and Semitic Jews, they must be the only race that is made up of different races.

bealert

18-09-2009, 12:27 AM

That is highly debateable, since there are black Jews, Caucasian Jews, Chinese Jews and Semitic Jews, they must be the only race that is made up of different races.
i know from many arguments i have on you tube that the Jews are a race my endless arguments against Israel's tactics in the middle east.where i was told i was racist because i didn't agree with Israel and therefore anti Semite. Not sure if the Jews do have any biological difference that makes different from any other race but i do believe the law was passed in the united states which says they are a race.

meksar

18-09-2009, 09:05 AM

92% of people who call themselves Jews today do not have a drop of Semitic blood in them, they descend from Khazar Barbarians and make up the Synagogue of Satan. Freemasonry is used to push Khazar behavior which is nothing but sexual depravity and violence, the whole world is growing tired of their constant lies and propaganda which have cost more human lives since the 1700's then any other corrupt and evil sect.

meksar

18-09-2009, 09:10 AM

Not all Jewish people are bad,but a lot of them are horribly indoctrinated. The Kabbalah and the Talmud are totally satanic-it's not real Judaism. Unfortunately the Jewish people are being manipulated by their own (secular, or worse Luciferian) leaders-Zionists.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 09:25 AM

And a good day to you to. I see you're obviously Jewish which would explain your knowledge of Hebrew.
the only jewish blood i have , is on my front bumper

:eek::eek:

i kid,sry.

meksar,most jews are sheepleand mind their own business .
satanic religion argument is moot,imo.
theres no christ, there4 theres no antichrist .
my opinion, the antichrist bs isa sucker tool,most probably.

christian zionists are the dumbest ppl in the world ,imo.
freedom of speech dont apply on forums,btw.

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 09:52 AM

meksar

18-09-2009, 09:54 AM

THE LIGHTBRINGERS The Emissaries of Jahbulon 5/5 - YouTube

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 09:56 AM

bealert, tell us how you really feel.
let it flow.

cry me a waterfall, when done, show where rodin has spewed bs lies against jews.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:00 AM

Free speach dude ,

aaahhhhhhhh suck it up ........
no such thing as free speech.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:01 AM

bealert, tell us how you really feel.
let it flow.

cry me a waterfall, when done, show where rodin has spewed bs lies against jews.
you probably wouldnt understand if i told you..especally as you cant see the problem with rodins post.

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:04 AM

no such thing as free speech.

My Speech is rather free- I dont know what back ass Country you live in to feel that saying Jew's running the Music Business should be Censored... Especially when its true for the most part.

With Free Speech comes the risk of Offending someone- So what? People offend me daily and they have every right. I am a big boy and can verbally defend myself and my ideals.

_underscore_

18-09-2009, 10:06 AM

_underscore_'s speech cost a dollar twenty five per minute. Call _underscore_ now for your free readin'.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:08 AM

My Speech is rather free- I dont know what back ass Country you live in to feel that saying Jew's running the Music Business should be Censored... Especially when its true for the most part.

With Free Speech comes the risk of Offending someone- So what? People offend me daily and they have every right. I am a big boy and can verbally defend myself and my ideals.
There’s been a lot of pontificating lately about freedom of speech. First, there were the offensive Mohammed cartoons published in the Danish newspaper JyllandsPosten, leading to riots and burnings across the Middle East. Lots of newspapers stood by JyllandsPosten, even publishing the cartoons themselves in a sort of global demonstration that they all have the right to lower their editorial standards.

Now there’s the case of Holocaust denier David Irving, who stupidly returned to the country in which he had committed a crime by proclaiming that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, then was surprised to find himself arrested for violating Austria’s Holocaust denial laws. Plenty of bloggers have risen to criticize Austria’s judgement, crying “free speech!”

READ THIS AND LEARN

Problem is, there’s no such thing as free speech.

Don’t believe me? Try going into an elementary school and giving a reading of “Penthouse letters.” Or stroll into a bank and scream “this is a hold up!” How about telling an airport security guard you have a bomb in your suitcase? Or writing an article in a national newspaper claiming Bret Favre is homosexual. Why not publish your neighbor’s Social Security and credit card numbers? Or post flyers all over town claiming Wal-Mart’s selling microwaves for $10?

But those are all lies, you retort. Well, all except the first one (Victoria’s Secret models do have a thing for mechanics — honest!). But lying isn’t illegal (except when it is, like passing bad checks): for the most part we rely on social justice — ostracism — to take care of liars. And defamation doesn’t require that the defamer be lying. I might believe that Bret Favre likes hot-tubbing it with all five members of his offensive line, but in many states, if Favre can show that I was merely negligent in professing that belief on Oprah, he can sue me for all I’m worth.

Now I’m not saying the Danes are wrong for allowing their newspapers to print offensive cartoons, or that the Austrians are right for imprisoning a guy for being a bigoted lying asshole, but I am saying that crying “free speech” is a vast oversimplification of the issues involved here. Even in the “freest” countries, all speech is regulated. The question is, what limits do we place on those regulations?

In America, political speech has always been among the most protected forms, but even in politics, you aren’t allowed to lie about your opponent. Why should you be allowed to lie about the Holocaust? Perhaps it’s only because the people you might lie about are already dead.

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 10:10 AM

no such thing as free speech.

You can't say things like that !!!

HOW DARE YOU SPOUT HATRED OF FREE SPEACHERS !

MODS !!! MODS!!!!!

I WANT THIS MAN BANNED FROM THE FORUMN FOR INCITING HATRED OF FREE SPEACHERS !!!

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:11 AM

There’s been a lot of pontificating lately about freedom of speech. First, there were the offensive Mohammed cartoons published in the Danish newspaper JyllandsPosten, leading to riots and burnings across the Middle East. Lots of newspapers stood by JyllandsPosten, even publishing the cartoons themselves in a sort of global demonstration that they all have the right to lower their editorial standards.

Now there’s the case of Holocaust denier David Irving, who stupidly returned to the country in which he had committed a crime by proclaiming that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, then was surprised to find himself arrested for violating Austria’s Holocaust denial laws. Plenty of bloggers have risen to criticize Austria’s judgement, crying “free speech!”

READ THIS AND LEARN

Problem is, there’s no such thing as free speech.

Don’t believe me? Try going into an elementary school and giving a reading of “Penthouse letters.” Or stroll into a bank and scream “this is a hold up!” How about telling an airport security guard you have a bomb in your suitcase? Or writing an article in a national newspaper claiming Bret Favre is homosexual. Why not publish your neighbor’s Social Security and credit card numbers? Or post flyers all over town claiming Wal-Mart’s selling microwaves for $10?

But those are all lies, you retort. Well, all except the first one (Victoria’s Secret models do have a thing for mechanics — honest!). But lying isn’t illegal (except when it is, like passing bad checks): for the most part we rely on social justice — ostracism — to take care of liars. And defamation doesn’t require that the defamer be lying. I might believe that Bret Favre likes hot-tubbing it with all five members of his offensive line, but in many states, if Favre can show that I was merely negligent in professing that belief on Oprah, he can sue me for all I’m worth.

Now I’m not saying the Danes are wrong for allowing their newspapers to print offensive cartoons, or that the Austrians are right for imprisoning a guy for being a bigoted lying asshole, but I am saying that crying “free speech” is a vast oversimplification of the issues involved here. Even in the “freest” countries, all speech is regulated. The question is, what limits do we place on those regulations?

In America, political speech has always been among the most protected forms, but even in politics, you aren’t allowed to lie about your opponent. Why should you be allowed to lie about the Holocaust? Perhaps it’s only because the people you might lie about are already dead.

Your right- Those people lying about the Holocaust and putting those lies on my TV and in Textbooks should be jailed- I like that.

EDIT: Obviously you cant go up to a cop and yell "I have a Bomb" and expect that to fall under free speech- Thats not the point.

BTW- I piss on Muhammed. If I offend a Muslim, so what- If I offend him to the point he will riot like an animal then I will treat him such.

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 10:15 AM

you probably wouldnt understand if i told you..especally as you cant see the problem with rodins post.
straightup nazi attitude .
shutting anyone up for anything is the wrong approach.

political correctness' father is knigge,some 32degree mason.

no mason is going to tell me whats right.

and you could read a book sometime.

let ppl express themselves.

point flaws in rodins story out, keep the antisemite bs argument and the tears out.
be constructive or keep out.
look at dogsmirk, he proper delayed this thread without arguing.

on baut, thatsa ban.

life2live

18-09-2009, 10:15 AM

if we have freedom of speech why is there mods?
the fact you believe you can write what ever you want is more of a lack of education ...(no disrespect) many laws are there to protect individuals against those that would slander them other wise the press would be free to write what they want without prosecution. Its a shame you cant see when boundaries have been broken it just shows you only see what you want to see and not whats there in plain English to read. The very fact boundaries have been broken and you cant see it is even more worrying and seems to be a great example of our boundaries are pushed back with constant exposure to a crime or situation and increase tolerance where perhaps there should be none

Ok so now you suggest you are better educated and therefore can decide when boundaries have been crossed. However you fail to see that your boundaries are largely due to your perspective. I dislike the threads that blame the Jews but I would rather they are allowed to speak so there arguments can be challenged than to ban people because of their views however distasteful I find them. I see it as an opportunity to challenge racist dogma head on. In banning people with such views the problem gets pushed underground and the possibility to talk to and enlighten such people is lost.

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 10:19 AM

Your right- Those people lying about the Holocaust and putting those lies on my TV and in Textbooks should be jailed- I like that.

EDIT: Obviously you cnt go up to a cop and yell "I have a Bomb" and expect that to fall under free speech- Thats not the point.

BTW- I piss on Muhammed. If I offend a Muslim, so what- If I offend him to the point he will riot like an animal then I will treat him such.

not2mention holocaust statute is the beginn of tought crimes becoming real.
ppl think,then talk.
therefore,its borderline toughtcrime to think a history moment you havent witnessed may be a lie.

so what, jews?
move on.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:20 AM

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 10:26 AM

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 10:27 AM

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:30 AM

Ok so now you suggest you are better educated and therefore can decide when boundaries have been crossed. However you fail to see that your boundaries are largely due to your perspective. I dislike the threads that blame the Jews but I would rather they are allowed to speak so there arguments can be challenged than to ban people because of their views however distasteful I find them. I see it as an opportunity to challenge racist dogma head on. In banning people with such views the problem gets pushed underground and the possibility to talk to and enlighten such people is lost.
better educated in the understanding of racism. To be honest unless you understand what i have said your understanding of racism or freedom of speech issues will be very limited and therefore your arguments are pointless. you need to grasp what racism is and realize any remark made about a individual should only be based on that individuals talent and not because he is of any race or colour etc.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:31 AM

So christians are a race now ??

" the very fact a race as been identified as running a company "

You mean industry there I think...

So healthy competition from other religions ... ooppss races is encouraged by the music business then.

i.e. Its not a mafia type organisation
no the Jews are a race.

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:31 AM

it should be censored because it doesn't matter what religion or race people are when it comes to what they are doing outside there religion unless what they are doing is in the name of there religion. So what if if the music businesses is run by Jews its no different than being run by Christians unless you make it so...the very fact a race as been identified as running a company and then used it in a negative manner for no other reason other than its race is racism.

If I were to say most Christian Businessmen are the biggest hypocritical crooks- It would be true. It would offend Christians (especially the Christian Businessmen who were honest and good) but I have the right to say what I think.

If I were to say Christianity is "Sun" Worship and Pagan- Same thing.

If I say ALL Christians are stupid as hell (BTW- I do not think this) It would be my right.

If you say all people from Kentucky are poor, uneducated and have no Teeth- This would be your right.

When it comes to Opinions (and since Truth is so Convoluted) we have to allow all thoughts and opinions to be freely expressed OR who gets to decide where the line is drawn?

Now, with threats of Violence and such- These have to be taken as intentions and not opinions and thus do not fall under the same category.. If you say you are going to "break my head open with a bat"- There is no disputing this nor arguing about this statement- Clearly you wish to physically harm me.

I value Free Speech above all else and it will be a sad day when the Thought Police and P.C. Brigade can Jail you or Censor your Opinions.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:37 AM

Ok so now you suggest you are better educated and therefore can decide when boundaries have been crossed. However you fail to see that your boundaries are largely due to your perspective. I dislike the threads that blame the Jews but I would rather they are allowed to speak so there arguments can be challenged than to ban people because of their views however distasteful I find them. I see it as an opportunity to challenge racist dogma head on. In banning people with such views the problem gets pushed underground and the possibility to talk to and enlighten such people is lost.
you have missed the point totally. There is no freedom of speech ..I have not set the boundries i am just clever enough to know when the boundrie as been crossed unlike some others it seems

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:38 AM

Christians aint a race the Jews are. you cant value free speech it don't exist.

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 10:38 AM

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 10:39 AM

you have missed the point totally. There is no freedom of speech ..I have not set the boundries i am just clever enough to know when the boundrie as been crossed unlike some others it seems

You are indeed clever bealert..

BTW

its Boundary :p

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:44 AM

And a Religion ?
yes both it would seem..i dont make the laws its not up to me..i am just telling you why you cant say certain things about a race ...

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:46 AM

Christians aint a race the Jews are. you cant value free speech it don't exist.

Your so right oh great one- Please tell me if ever I step out of line... I will immediately cease with my outrageous comments and beg you and the Politically correct, liberal, Gods for forgiveness.

BTW- Black comedians make fun of the White Race DAILY. What should happen to them (I could give a shit- But then again I value things which dont exist) or is 'White' a religion?

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:46 AM

guess that makes you clever ra than me:)

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:48 AM

Your so right oh great one- Please tell me if ever I step out of line... I will immediately cease with my outrageous comments and beg you and the Politically correct, liberal, Gods for forgiveness.

BTW- Black comedians make fun of the White Race DAILY. What should happen to them (I could give a shit- But then again I value things which dont exist) or is 'White' a religion?
ok you know where to find me...if you need advice im here..

If you look at rodins past posts you will see an almost obsession like need to run the Jews down...There are many people all over the world that have committed crimes
is there race taken in to consideration or given as the reason they did what they did? then why is it being done with the Jews.

harry_88

18-09-2009, 10:48 AM

He can do whatever he wants. Jews have prominent roles in the music business. So what?

Think he should be jailed for saying that?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6837725.ece

He might be arrested for "racially aggravated harassment."

Then the judge will probably be a zionist and the lawyers all jews or zionist lackeys.

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:50 AM

ok you know where to find me.if you need advice im here..

I am asking for advice- Chris Rock (the comedian) calls Whites Crackers, Honkeys and tons of demeaning things- What should happen to these Comedians- Or is "White" a Religion and thus not protected in your world?

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 10:52 AM

yes both it would seem..i dont make the laws its not up to me..i am just telling you why you cant say certain things about a race ...

I can state facts like this one ...

I am intellectually superior to you.

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 10:55 AM

yes both it would seem..i dont make the laws its not up to me..i am just telling you why you cant say certain things about a race ...

You sure as Hell dont make the Laws in Kentucky- Come here and explain that to the locals- We DO have Free Speech here. We can call a Spade a Spade and a Jew a Jew. We can draw pictures of Muhammed and wipe our asses with em. We wont get arrested for that and if the Muslims dont like it and come rioting around here...

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Your so right oh great one- Please tell me if ever I step out of line... I will immediately cease with my outrageous comments and beg you and the Politically correct, liberal, Gods for forgiveness.

BTW- Black comedians make fun of the White Race DAILY. What should happen to them (I could give a shit- But then again I value things which dont exist) or is 'White' a religion?
If you look at rodins past posts you will see an almost obsession like need to run the Jews down...There are many people all over the world that have committed crimes
is there race taken in to consideration or given as the reason they did what they did? if not then why is it being done with the Jews.

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:01 AM

If you look at rodins past posts you will see an almost obsession like need to run the Jews down...There are many people all over the world that have committed crimes
is there race taken in to consideration or given as the reason they did what they did? if not then why is it being done with the Jews.

I know that- and I have quit trying to bring up the distinction between Jews and Zionist. My best friend is a flaming Jew in Kentucky lol. I have nothing against Jews- But even if Rodin blamed everything on Whites and was totally Black Panther, White hating, froth spewing madman- I would support his right to say what he wants.

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:05 AM

You sure as Hell dont make the Laws in Kentucky- Come here and explain that to the locals- We DO have Free Speech here. We can call a Spade a Spade and a Jew a Jew. We can draw pictures of Muhammed and wipe our asses with em. We wont get arrested for that and if the Muslims dont like it and come rioting around here...
The American south as always been known as being very backward in there attitudes towards ethnic minorities... I think Mississippi didn't abolish its slavery laws until 1995. Many southern Americans said they were trying to protect there way of life and wouldn't tolerate outsiders now you have a so called outsider as a president....great news don't you think. Many outsiders have improved the American way of life by making you more tolerant in your attitudes if you are to improve even more then you must include all people from all countries and except they are the same as you despite being of a different race.

harry_88

18-09-2009, 11:21 AM

The Jewish are advocating that "mein kampf" should be published because freedom of speech and opinion override our offense in reading opinion we don't agree with. Also its a chance for polarised positions to be challenged and changed through discussion.

I agree with most of what you said apart from the above.
The Jewish advocates of the "new scholarly edition" of "mein kampf" were doing so under the conditions that an "academic commentary";) be added to expose what they regard as the fallacies found in the book. In other words a propaganda exercise, certainly not a straight forward re-print.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-jews-want-mein-kampf-reprinted-1769960.html

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:25 AM

The American south as always been known as being very backward in there attitudes towards ethnic minorities... I think Mississippi didn't abolish its slavery laws until 1995. Many southern Americans said they were trying to protect there way of life and wouldn't tolerate outsiders now you have a so called outsider as a president....great news don't you think.

I would take a GOOD Black President over the typical white, rich man who normally wins.
-And were not as 'backwords' as you seem to believe- KY was a Neutral State in the Civil War. My family died on both sides and none of them were Slave owners. Most in the South never were... Only the wealthy.

BTW:You like Obama? You happy he's in?

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:28 AM

The American south as always been known as being very backward in there attitudes towards ethnic minorities... I think Mississippi didn't abolish its slavery laws until 1995. Many southern Americans said they were trying to protect there way of life and wouldn't tolerate outsiders now you have a so called outsider as a president....great news don't you think.

Obamma is African born , Your constitution states he can't be president.

Hence the botched inaugaration ceremony and behind closed doors swearing in (including the bit about abiding by the constitution , and of course putting his hand on the bible in front of millions ) .

Personally , I have no problem with an African being President at all.

But you guys can bend the laws to suit can't you ...

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:29 AM

I would take a GOOD Black President over the typical white, rich man who normally wins.
-And were not as 'backwords' as you seem to believe- KY was a Neutral State in the Civil War. My family died on both sides and none of them were Slave owners. Most in the South never were... Only the wealthy.

BTW:You like Obama? You happy he's in?
no to be honest i don't like obama there's something about him i don't trust..hes almost to good to be true..maybe he is the Antichrist after all..i just hope he don't bring peace to the middle east cause then i will start to worry

hadabusa

18-09-2009, 11:30 AM

bealert, ppl like you are destroying this place.
youre no intelectual raw diamond, its just painfull reading your bs.
go start a pro jew thread,whatever, but dont derail threads.

its very pathetic.

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:32 AM

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:32 AM

no to be honest i don't like obama there's something about him i don't trust..hes almost to good to be true..maybe he is the antichrist after all..i just hope he don't bring peace to the middle east cause then i will start to worry

according to jimmy carter

your officially a racist !!!

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:33 AM

its great to know you have no problem with it how kind of you!!

Your welcome !

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:35 AM

bealert, ppl like you are destroying this place.
youre no intelectual raw diamond, its just painfull reading your bs.
go start a pro jew thread,whatever, but dont derail threads.

its very pathetic.
then dont read it ...do something else with your precious time...feed your gold fish or something. i didn't realize this website was the only place to go how silly of me...

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:36 AM

then dont read it ...do something else with your precious time...feed your gold fish or something. i didn't realize this website was the only place to go how silly of me...

I'm going to rearrange my sock drawer !

Bealert , it was fun , see ya around the place

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:36 AM

Obamma is African born , Your constitution states he can't be president.

Hence the botched inaugaration ceremony and behind closed doors swearing in (including the bit about abiding by the constitution , and of course putting his hand on the bible in front of millions ) .

Personally , I have no problem with an African being President at all.

But you guys can bend the laws to suit can't you ...

We have a Constitution still? I thought that fucker had been trashed for years now... In fact, You Sir. are just silly thinking we have such a document. After John hancock signed it he looked around and started laughing his ass off as he stated "Just playin 'yo" :D

On a more serious note- I have a real problem with a President (any President) of my Country not being born here- Then again, I have a problem with bombing innocent Iraqis but...

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:37 AM

according to jimmy carter

your officially a racist !!!
see that's the difference i don't like him cause i don't trust him..its nothing to do with race however you dont like certain people because of there race...see the difference!!

harry_88

18-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Why should you be allowed to lie about the Holocaust?

Exactly! That's what David Irving objects to and Mr Zundel etc.

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:38 AM

I'm going to rearrange my sock drawer !

Bealert , it was fun , see ya around the place
great to know you have the intelligence to do other things when your losing a argument...well done

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:39 AM

great to know you have the intelligence to do other things when your losing a argument...well done

Are we reading the same thread? I dont think he's losing but thats the great thing about free speech- We are all entitled to state our opinions.

EDIT: Jimmy Carter is a dumb Honkey- Really.

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:43 AM

great to know you have the intelligence to do other things when your losing a argument...well done

I'm married ...

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:46 AM

I'm married ...

:D lolololo :D

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:50 AM

Are we reading the same thread? I dont think he's losing but thats the great thing about free speech- We are all entitled to state our opinions.

EDIT: Jimmy Carter is a dumb Honkey- Really.
if someone runs away from a argument or retaliates with offensive garbage i see it as winning the argument and that the other person as run out of valid points in which to argue with. Anyway im going now whilst im winning ..be back on tomorrow...bye love you all

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 11:51 AM

see that's the difference i don't like him cause i don't trust him..its nothing to do with race however you dont like certain people because of there race...see the difference!!

Woah there cowboy !!

Lets just back up the horse there a godammn minute.

Who said I dont like anyone ?

I defend Rodins right to free speach. I agree with the facts about a monopoly of the music / entertainment business.

I dont hate anyone for having a monopoly. I just don't think its healthy.

Can you prove his stats are wrong , if so please do and I'll reassess.

You called me a racist , that is a vile thing to say. Please Take it back.

I'm going out for a while , you kids be nice now ya hear....

bealert

18-09-2009, 11:54 AM

Woah there cowboy !!

Lets just back up the horse there a godammn minute.

Who said I dont like anyone ?

I defend Rodins right to free speach. I agree with the facts about a monopoly of the music / entertainment business.

I dont hate anyone for having a monopoly. I just don't think its healthy.

Can you prove his stats are wrong , if so please do and I'll reassess.

You called me a racist , that is a vile thing to say. Please Take it back.

I'm going out for a while , you kids be nice now ya hear....
sorry i thought we all had freedom of speech to say what we want..

bluegrazz

18-09-2009, 11:58 AM

sorry i thought we all had freedom of speech to say what we want..

We do- We are not the ones saying you should be banned for stating yours. We are disagreeing with you but not saying you dont have the right to say anything you feel.

Dude, I would defend you against ANYONE who try's to stifle your free speech- EVEN if I dont agree with you. Even if I think your being hateful or crazy. Even if its MY RACE your being hateful about... I dont want to Censor you because in effect that will (eventually) Censor me.

Thats the difference between us I guess.

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 01:51 PM

sorry i thought we all had freedom of speech to say what we want..

No , there is no such thing as free speach ..

You said so yourself...

check mate

bealert

18-09-2009, 06:34 PM

No , there is no such thing as free speach ..

You said so yourself...

check mate
i was being sarcastic....

fekdemasons

18-09-2009, 06:36 PM

i was being sarcastic....

No Shit !!

And I wasn't ??

rodin

18-09-2009, 07:13 PM

bealert, tell us how you really feel.
let it flow.

cry me a waterfall, when done, show where rodin has spewed bs lies against jews.

Yes please do. I am happy to admit where I err.

mynameis

18-09-2009, 07:20 PM

Light blinds hatred.

World music market sales shares, according to IFPI (2005)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/WMM-IFPI.svg/250px-WMM-IFPI.svg.png

rodin

18-09-2009, 07:20 PM

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:28 PM

The Jews are a race that have been picked on for thousand of years...

As I was once taught, by a man much wiser than me ...

If someone is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe its just them.
If a second person is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe you're just unlucky and have met two pricks.
If EVERYONE is rude to you and you can't communicate with anyone; its time to realise its not 'them'.

We're always told the Jews have been persecuted, throughout history, banned from nearly every city they went to or thrown into 'Jew only' ghettos in cities right across Europe.

Have you ever stopped to think; 'there might be a reason for that'?

If you have a cancerous growth; you cut it out.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:30 PM

Oh no he called someone a non-Jew? Stop the presses...

You think the term 'goy' is simply a harmless expression meaning 'non-Jew'?

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:32 PM

If all else fails, blame the Jews.

After all people been doing it for 2000 years.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck; chances are its a duck.
Doesn't take 2000 years nor a rocket scientist to confirm it.

nihil

18-09-2009, 07:32 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/WMM-IFPI.svg/250px-WMM-IFPI.svg.png

2/3 of the market is fucked .

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:34 PM

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:37 PM

im sorry but there is no such thing as freedom of speech there are boundaries in which we must all abide
Says who?
Who sets the boundaries?
Does it require consent before being enforced?
Who polices it?
From where do they get their authority?

nihil

18-09-2009, 07:40 PM

Do Muslim, Christians, Buddhists and/or Animists run some particular business?

It is *not* a religious or racist affair, I don't care who's your mum...

But hey, don't tell me that some illuminated group does NOT actually own the ears of generations...

4 CEOs to share 2/3 of a market is not a monopoly - it is a criminous agenda.

It is not art, it is pro-paganda.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:44 PM

Why is there? Judaism is a belief system. How can you meaningfully define a race in terms of a belief system?

Woah, woah, woah ... I must be misinterpreting something here.

So I get this clear in my head, let me ask a reall simple [dumb] question - maybe not just of dogsmilk.
Let me also precis this my saying I have has many hours of [pointless] debate on this already :rolleyes:

When someone identifies as being a Jew ... it is a statement of;

1. religious beliefs (faith)
2. their nationality (race)

Which is it?

yozhik

18-09-2009, 07:46 PM

I'm not myself for censoring rodin in any way, but having known rodin (online) for around three years if he is not a hardcore anti-semite I have no idea as to what could possibly qualify.

Can't argue with that.

May not agree with rodin, but will defend his right to say it.

oink

18-09-2009, 07:47 PM

I just like how the OP only talks about Western Culture. You goto India or Japan and you will find culture which is incredibly important and influential. Go into Europe or the deep South of America and you will find that there is music that sells Internationally, much of it Performed and produced by people who happen not to be Jewish.

OK, there is a lot of Jewish people who are high profile in music, but to counter this: the biggest, and most over rated Classical conductor was, and still is, Herbert Von Karajan who was certainly not Jewish. As well as the many non Jews who are high profile in popular music.

Who cares?

Is Abba and Bjork a Nordic conspiracy?
Was Steps and is High School Musical an Aryan conspiracy?

bealert

18-09-2009, 08:07 PM

So instead of throwing a little hissy fit; why not rebut the points raised in his posts?
Rather than sitting there crying about what a bad man he is and how he stole your toys ... debate the points raised.
Stop crying like a little biatch and debate the topic.

Do Jews control the music industry?
Yes or no?
Nothing 'hateful' in that question.
dont care if they control the music industry or not..good luck to them if they do..

bealert

18-09-2009, 08:10 PM

Says who?
Who sets the boundaries?
Does it require consent before being enforced?
Who polices it?
From where do they get their authority?
says me..if you want to know more ....ring a police station or a lawyer for advice

snapdragon

18-09-2009, 08:15 PM

They are not Jews, they are false jews, a legacy of the Khazan empire. They are really Eastern European Caravan train robbers. The real Jews hate them, they have little or no ancestry in the middle east or in the tribe of Judah..

bealert

18-09-2009, 08:21 PM

yozhik

18-09-2009, 08:37 PM

says me

Just as I thought.
Baseless.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 08:38 PM

dont care if they control the music industry or not..good luck to them if they do..

There ya go.
Back on topic.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 08:46 PM

probably both

Well you see, there's ya problem right there.

Because the majority of 'Jews' who go to Israel as part of this 'homecoming' thing they've got going on, can't claim to be of the same 'race', can they?

So they obviously qualify on 'faith' grounds.

But then you get into the whole topic of 'a faith isn't a race' and 'no other faith claims a country as a homeland' ... then you also add in the obvious Zionist politicisation of it all ... and bing bang whollop ... you're looking at an anti-semtic trainwreck of a debate.

So is the mother a Jew because she is of the Judaism faith?
Or is the mother a Jew because she is Semitic and genetically linked to the geographical area?

... it appears to be an ambiguity and uncertainty that is more by design than accident ...

rodin

18-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Can't argue with that.

May not agree with rodin, but will defend his right to say it.

How many times have to point out that Jews are predominantly Ashkenazi while Palestinians are Semites?

Really we must scotch that lie.

Anyone calling me an antisemite does not have a grasp of facts.

life2live

18-09-2009, 08:52 PM

As I was once taught, by a man much wiser than me ...

If someone is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe its just them.
If a second person is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe you're just unlucky and have met two pricks.
If EVERYONE is rude to you and you can't communicate with anyone; its time to realise its not 'them'.

We're always told the Jews have been persecuted, throughout history, banned from nearly every city they went to or thrown into 'Jew only' ghettos in cities right across Europe.

Have you ever stopped to think; 'there might be a reason for that'?

If you have a cancerous growth; you cut it out.

So because a race has been historically bullied that makes it OK then. So there is a history of abuse against colour of skin, sexuality even left handed people, by this warped logic they must have deserved it.

Was this so called wise man called "Adolf"?

bealert

18-09-2009, 08:54 PM

How many times have to point out that Jews are predominantly Ashkenazi while Palestinians are Semites?

Really we must scotch that lie.

Anyone calling me an antisemite does not have a grasp of facts.
i would totally agree with you but in the united states in 1980 a law was passed that stated the jews are a race.

In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

dogsmilk

18-09-2009, 08:59 PM

dogsmilk

18-09-2009, 09:04 PM

Woah, woah, woah ... I must be misinterpreting something here.

So I get this clear in my head, let me ask a reall simple [dumb] question - maybe not just of dogsmilk.
Let me also precis this my saying I have has many hours of [pointless] debate on this already :rolleyes:

When someone identifies as being a Jew ... it is a statement of;

1. religious beliefs (faith)
2. their nationality (race)

Which is it?

It could be either or both. It depends on the perspective of who is saying it.
From my perspective I don't think classifying it terms of race is meaningful. But then I don't believe in the Jewish creation mythology, nor in the ravings of anti-semites.

bealert

18-09-2009, 09:08 PM

As I was once taught, by a man much wiser than me ...

If someone is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe its just them.
If a second person is rude to you or you just can't communicate; maybe you're just unlucky and have met two pricks.
If EVERYONE is rude to you and you can't communicate with anyone; its time to realise its not 'them'.

We're always told the Jews have been persecuted, throughout history, banned from nearly every city they went to or thrown into 'Jew only' ghettos in cities right across Europe.

Have you ever stopped to think; 'there might be a reason for that'?

If you have a cancerous growth; you cut it out.
your post is quite sickening..yes the Jews have been persecuted but they have a right to believe what they want as all of us do. your post clearly outlines why the Jews were given Israel its just a shame the ignorant and intolerant chose to make enemies of the innocent because of there beliefs...but saying that i hate Israel especially the way it handles situations in the middle east with ruthless unnecessary wars. The sooner we all get on without prejudice being the major factor in a argument the sooner we will reach peace within ourselves.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 09:09 PM

So because a race has been historically bullied that makes it OK then. So there is a history of abuse against colour of skin, sexuality even left handed people, by this warped logic they must have deserved it.

Was this so called wise man called "Adolf"?

Read it again.

I didn't say it was 'OK' ... I didn't actually pass comment in that way.

My point being ... if they have been 'persecuted' through centuries, every where they went, then MAYBE, instead of blaming every one else, its time they looked in the mirror and started considering what it was THEY were doing, to initiate the response.

If I go into a pub and start talking to a woman, then get slapped, it might be what I said or she may have over reacted.

If I go into the next pub and the same thing happens, the same conclusions might be drawn ... it might be me or I could just be having a bad night and just running into some real aggressive slappers [bad pun intended].

However, if this becomes a pattern, over hundreds of years, in every pub I walked into ... I think its safe to say that any attempt by me to claim that 'all women are just anti-men' would be downright futile.

So why, when Jews have been slapped in every bar they've ever walked into, are we not asking them to look at their own behaviour and suggest that maybe they're just downright fucking rude and disrespectful to women?

That would seem to be a hell of a lot more logical than them just being some poor unfortunate bar hopper, who has an uncanny knack for always bumping into aggressive women who all are anti-men.

So again - I'm not saying anything is 'OK', as you would love to imply ... I'm suggesting that instead of blaming everyone else, it might be high time to turn their eyes upon themselves and take a good hard look in the mirror to see what it is in their actions that contributes to the animosity that has been experienced over many centuries.

rodin

18-09-2009, 09:09 PM

mynameis

18-09-2009, 09:14 PM

Judeophobe then.

Sound's rather nice if athletic, but trying to get dates for the weekend. I'll pass.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_IeHiolIJzWA/SIiZzJw2rpI/AAAAAAAAAHs/xAusqktR3lE/s400/judeophobia.JPG

Aww....

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 09:17 PM

i would totally agree with you but in the united states in 1980 a law was passed that stated the jews are a race.

In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, at least for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Negro race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.

So its a race too?

Hmmm ... so if Italians trace back to Italy [geographic] and Negros trace back to Negroids [race] then Jews traces back to ............ ???

So why was 'Jew' defined as a race?
Why not Israeli [geographic] or Semite [race]?
This 'Jew' is a race thing ... it just doesn't make any sense.

Either does 'Jew' as a nationality.
Because surely the whole point of Israel was to legitimise a Jewish [faith] nation ... correct?
So if the 'nation' is Israel ... then the 'nationality' is Israeli.
Where does this distortion of 'nation' is Israel, 'nationality' is Jewish come from?

No logic.

bealert

18-09-2009, 09:17 PM

Sound's rather nice if athletic, but trying to get dates for the weekend. I'll pass.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_IeHiolIJzWA/SIiZzJw2rpI/AAAAAAAAAHs/xAusqktR3lE/s400/judeophobia.JPG

Aww....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D94iG9-nRY
when you dance with the devil you dont stop until he says so.

life2live

18-09-2009, 09:18 PM

My point being ... if they have been 'persecuted' through centuries, every where they went, then MAYBE, instead of blaming every one else, its time they looked in the mirror and started considering what it was THEY were doing, to initiate the response.

Yes I think thats good advice. I think there is more Jewish People can do to integrate and to accept there are some nasty people in there own community. I think its great how they support each other and we can all learn from the strength in there communities.

I find the idea of a "chosen people" on the face of it offensive. However when I read the rules of orthodox jews I am amazed anyone would take that seriously.

There is Judas as well that might cause hatred of the Jews, but I personally think it was probably his wife that sold Yeshua out.....

bealert

18-09-2009, 09:24 PM

So its a race too?

Hmmm ... so if Italians trace back to Italy [geographic] and Negros trace back to Negroids [race] then Jews traces back to ............ ???

So why was 'Jew' defined as a race?
Why not Israeli [geographic] or Semite [race]?
This 'Jew' is a race thing ... it just doesn't make any sense.

Either does 'Jew' as a nationality.
Because surely the whole point of Israel was to legitimise a Jewish [faith] nation ... correct?
So if the 'nation' is Israel ... then the 'nationality' is Israeli.
Where does this distortion of 'nation' is Israel, 'nationality' is Jewish come from?

No logic.
i would have to agree with you but i think Israel was given to them in order to protect them as a race/religion as well as the fact they owned the land 2000 years ago. Although if i left my flat and come back two thousand years later don't think they would give me it back somehow.. especially if someone had built the local council offices there.
. Although you cant judge someone on there religion or race to give someone land because of there religion or race for what ever reason seems very wrong to me.

yozhik

18-09-2009, 09:34 PM

i would have to agree with you but i think Israel was given to them in order to protect them as a race/religion as well as the fact they owned the land 2000 years ago. Although if i left my flat and come back two thousand years later don't think they would give me it back somehow.. especially if someone had built the local council offices there.
. Although you cant judge someone on there religion or race to give someone land because of there religion or race for what ever reason seems very wrong to me.

If you look in the majority of reference resources available, most will state that a Jew is from the land of Palestine. [simplified, but the crux of it]

Jews and Arabs lives side by side in Palestine.
Two key words; in Palestine.

Not beside Palestine.
Not instead of Palestine.
Not before Palestine or after Palestine; IN PALESTINE.

Their homeland always was and still should be, intergrated and part of Palestine; living side by side with Arabs of the region, as they originally did, 2000 years ago.

The 'creation' of Israel, as an independent sovereign state, is a 20th century invention - politicised, brokered, negotiated, bought, coerced and promoted in back rooms and secret meetings, by deception, blackmail and 'sweeteners'.

It existed in the minds of the Zionists and was produced in the bank accounts of the politicians and supervisory nations of the world through the period of WWI and WWII, starting with the Balfour Declaration [1917?] and ending with the ribbon cutting fanfare of the establishment of israel some 40 years later.

clozaril

18-09-2009, 09:35 PM

I must be doing a good job of EXPOSING stuff. If I was talking BS who would care? Anyway I and millions like me aware of the pyramid are doing decent people from Jewish community a favour by showing what is going on. Jews are not the problem, Judaism and its many troublesome offshoots and secrets are

you are not exposing anything mate, the readers of david icke are aware of this. if you wrote zionists then i wouldn't have any beef but jews ffs you are making the forum look like a jew bashing site.

bealert

18-09-2009, 09:44 PM

Read it again.

I didn't say it was 'OK' ... I didn't actually pass comment in that way.

My point being ... if they have been 'persecuted' through centuries, every where they went, then MAYBE, instead of blaming every one else, its time they looked in the mirror and started considering what it was THEY were doing, to initiate the response.

If I go into a pub and start talking to a woman, then get slapped, it might be what I said or she may have over reacted.

If I go into the next pub and the same thing happens, the same conclusions might be drawn ... it might be me or I could just be having a bad night and just running into some real aggressive slappers [bad pun intended].

However, if this becomes a pattern, over hundreds of years, in every pub I walked into ... I think its safe to say that any attempt by me to claim that 'all women are just anti-men' would be downright futile.

So why, when Jews have been slapped in every bar they've ever walked into, are we not asking them to look at their own behaviour and suggest that maybe they're just downright fucking rude and disrespectful to women?

That would seem to be a hell of a lot more logical than them just being some poor unfortunate bar hopper, who has an uncanny knack for always bumping into aggressive women who all are anti-men.

So again - I'm not saying anything is 'OK', as you would love to imply ... I'm suggesting that instead of blaming everyone else, it might be high time to turn their eyes upon themselves and take a good hard look in the mirror to see what it is in their actions that contributes to the animosity that has been experienced over many centuries.
people are persecuted through out the world especially those that are weak and unable to defend themselves. no matter how many times a woman is beaten by her boyfriends/husband it is no less of a crime each time it is committed. violence can be aimed at a person either by physical or emotional responses each just as harmful in its own way. So when you slag someone off because of there race its the same as if you physically attacked them and should be dealt with as such. This is probably the main reason as to why the Jews are recognized in the united states as a race its there to protect them against verbal attacks against those who wish to harm them verbally and without basis other than there religious beliefs and history...that is racism..this is why there is no freedom of speech because people would abuse there rights to attack those that either cannot defend themselves and use it as a weapon... to destroy or harm there target. you cannot racially attack someone in the middle of the street so why should you be able to do it on the internet?

darketernal

18-09-2009, 09:47 PM

you are not exposing anything mate, the readers of david icke are aware of this. if you wrote zionists then i wouldn't have any beef but jews ffs you are making the forum look like a jew bashing site.

Such people cannot see the forest for the trees. They fail to see how every mainsteam religion has been used as a tool to divide, conquer, enslave and syphon the masses, be it Judaism, Christianity, Islaam, etc. Just as the New Age movement is going to be used shortly.

It is not Jewish people, but a group of bloodlines within the elites of the Jewish people who do not consider themselves Jews, but more akin to similar lines within every other ethnic group, race, religion and nationality. Who are themselves no more in control than anyone else, as they are mind controled, programed and enslaved by others higher within the chain of command, which is in and of itself compartmentalized and factioned.

However everyone is free to believe as they see fit. It is not my place to force a belief onto anyone else. Let them believe as they like and let their energy be effected by the choices they make for better or worse. ;-)

yozhik

18-09-2009, 09:52 PM

people are persecuted through out the world especially those that are weak and unable to defend themselves. no matter how many times a woman is beaten by her boyfriends/husband it is no less of a crime each time it is committed. violence can be aimed at a person either by physical or emotional responses each just as harmful in its own way. So when you slag someone off because of there race its the same as if you physically attacked them and should be dealt with as such. This is probably the main reason as to why the Jews are recognized in the united states as a race its there to protect them against verbal attacks against those who wish to harm them verbally and without basis other than there religious beliefs and history

You're what is termed an enabler.

Diverting/projecting the issue onto others without bothering to analyse whether the response is the cause or the effect.

Is the 'racism' towards the Jews the cause of the problem or the result of the problem?
Chicken or egg?

Patterns happen for a reason.
Using your analogy; many abusers were themselves, abused.
Were the Jews throughout history the abused or the abusers?

I don't know the answer.
I definitely have the question; but no answer.
All I know is that when there is a specific pattern of behaviour, over a long period of time, there is a reason for it.

I'll keep going back to my simplistic bar analogy in an earlier post.

bealert

18-09-2009, 10:17 PM

You're what is termed an enabler.

Diverting/projecting the issue onto others without bothering to analyse whether the response is the cause or the effect.

Is the 'racism' towards the Jews the cause of the problem or the result of the problem?
Chicken or egg?

Patterns happen for a reason.
Using your analogy; many abusers were themselves, abused.
Were the Jews throughout history the abused or the abusers?

I don't know the answer.
I definitely have the question; but no answer.
All I know is that when there is a specific pattern of behaviour, over a long period of time, there is a reason for it.

I'll keep going back to my simplistic bar analogy in an earlier post.
but the cause is because we are human and not perfect and we all have faults. The problem is due to human emotions ..we all need someone to blame and we all want more of everything. ..We all want to better ourselves and this is probably the very thing that will destroy us..its called greed. Until we can forgive and not look at who is to blame but look at what we can do to improve every ones life not just our own nothing will change.

rodin

18-09-2009, 10:54 PM

yozhik

18-09-2009, 10:55 PM

but the cause is because we are human and not perfect and we all have faults. The problem is due to human emotions ..we all need someone to blame and we all want more of everything. ..We all want to better ourselves and this is probably the very thing that will destroy us..its called greed. Until we can forgive and not look at who is to blame but look at what we can do to improve every ones life not just our own nothing will change.

I agree with you 100%.

Which is why I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

Blame is such a negative word and also serves no purpose.
Only accepting responsibility can result in any positive and progressive future behaviour.

Again, I will come back to the simplistic bar hopping/face slapping analogy I gave earlier. When it comes to the 'Jews' and their 'persecution' throughout European history, we seem to be continually forced to focus our attention and blame on the anti-men face slappers instead of demanding that the bar hopper stands up, like a man, and takes responsibility for his actions.
Has that ever been done?
I suggest not.

I'm in full agreement with you; the blame game has been over used.

dogsmilk

18-09-2009, 11:00 PM

Read it again.

I didn't say it was 'OK' ... I didn't actually pass comment in that way.

My point being ... if they have been 'persecuted' through centuries, every where they went, then MAYBE, instead of blaming every one else, its time they looked in the mirror and started considering what it was THEY were doing, to initiate the response.

If I go into a pub and start talking to a woman, then get slapped, it might be what I said or she may have over reacted.

If I go into the next pub and the same thing happens, the same conclusions might be drawn ... it might be me or I could just be having a bad night and just running into some real aggressive slappers [bad pun intended].

However, if this becomes a pattern, over hundreds of years, in every pub I walked into ... I think its safe to say that any attempt by me to claim that 'all women are just anti-men' would be downright futile.

So why, when Jews have been slapped in every bar they've ever walked into, are we not asking them to look at their own behaviour and suggest that maybe they're just downright fucking rude and disrespectful to women?

That would seem to be a hell of a lot more logical than them just being some poor unfortunate bar hopper, who has an uncanny knack for always bumping into aggressive women who all are anti-men.

So again - I'm not saying anything is 'OK', as you would love to imply ... I'm suggesting that instead of blaming everyone else, it might be high time to turn their eyes upon themselves and take a good hard look in the mirror to see what it is in their actions that contributes to the animosity that has been experienced over many centuries.

And what exactly are you suggesting Jews have done? Does it not occur to you that a Europe dominated by aggressively Christian ideas might find a handy scapegoat in an 'alien' community within it? What the fuck had the Jews of Mainz done? The Archbishop tried to protect them, but the crusaders massacred them nonetheless. But when people that actually knew that community tried to protect them, but outsiders killed them, I'm sure you'll still find some way to decide they still brought in on themselves after all.
Oh yeah - and apparently Jews were behind the black death - presumably you believe they were - because people persecuting them is their own fault, so they must have been, right? It of course had fuck all to do with superstitious people looking round for someone or something to blame for something they didn't understand.
AFAIK Jews were far better off in Muslim states as for some centuries Islam was far more progressive and tolerant.
Like human beings have ever needed much of an excuse to turn on the 'other'.
Jesus - you might as well say that centuries of racism towards black people were because of something they did to deserve it.

Jews! They bring it on themselves! They must have!

I just cannot believe some of the mental bigoted shite I read on this forum.

Inevitable caveat - I wasn't saying that was the case, I was just suggesting...

yozhik

18-09-2009, 11:14 PM

And what exactly are you suggesting Jews have done?
I clearly have not suggested anything.
Why are you suggesting I have suggested something?

Oh yeah - and apparently Jews were behind the black death - presumably you believe they were
Wrong.
Did I say this?
Did I even suggest this?
dogsmilk ... you have a wonderful turn of phrase and a unique ability to weave into a topic, information that is yours, yet assigning it to somebody else. It is an artform -one you have mastered, however, it is still a form of disinformation.

Do not put 'words into my mouth'.
Please.

- because people persecuting them is their own fault, so they must have been, right? It of course had fuck all to do with superstitious people looking round for someone or something to blame for something they didn't understand.
Again, you twist words to define your rebuttal.
I have stated more than once in this thread already, that instead of going straight for the 'persecuted'neon sign, and the flcok of enabling sheep who are all too quick to stand up and bleat 'persecution' whenever the opportunity arises; some self analysis is overdue.

You're one of the kneejerk "blame the face slapping, anti-men lesbians" ... without even identifying the behaviour of the bar hopper to see if he contributed to his own downfall.

I just cannot believe some of the mental bigoted shite I read on this forum.
I agree with you dogsmilk ... its stomach churning, isn't it?
Especially that disinformation tripe, the distorting of people's words, introducing new opinions then falsely attributing them to someone else and a plethora of baseless accusations posted to incite and divert.

Whatever is this forum coming to?
:rolleyes:

dogsmilk

18-09-2009, 11:42 PM

Yozhik.

The artform you have perfected is wording what you say very carefully so you're not actually saying it you're just floating the idea. You do this a lot.

And it's simply a replication of a very common notion seen here among other places. Well if the Jews have been persecuted through history, maybe they did something to deserve it. You're not a stupid guy. You have the intelligence to realise that if you want to find out why people have been persecuted, the logical thing to do is to find out what they've been persecuted for. Except you'd then find there are a lot of pretty crazy 'justifications'.

You didn't say Why is that Jews have been persecuted throughout history? Has this been global or localised? What sort of reasons have typically been given?. No. You gave a bullshit analogy and kind of suggested that Jews should 'look in the mirror to see what it is in their actions that contributes to the animosity that has been experienced over many centuries', intimating there's kinda something about them that makes people not like them.

Well shall we suggest black people look in the mirror and ask themselves what they did to contribute to the persistent viewpoint they were (and let's face it to some people still are) an inferior subspecies not deserving of equal rights with white people? Is that reasonable? If not, why the difference?

life2live

19-09-2009, 12:15 AM

I am tired of division...

I am tired of always blaming someone.

I think its time we started working together and celebrate our similarities and learn to respect our difference....

bendoon

19-09-2009, 12:41 AM

mynameis

19-09-2009, 12:49 AM

Or

Every one looking for scapegoats are irrational and hateful.

bealert

19-09-2009, 08:44 AM

If Jews have been picked on for nearly 2000 years.

Have they ever done anything to merit being picked on ?

Or

Is every one else irrational and hateful ?

If your child got expelled from 10 different schools at what point would you stop blaming the teachers and think that your child was at fault ?
your post is typical of the ignorance that as flooded these boards since this post and many like it have reared there ugly heads. its easy to see why racism exists when people give such pathetic examples of supposedly equivalent situations in a attempt to justify there racism. lack of Education is the problem being raised by racist or uneducated parents is another...until this changes the world will be full of idiots that hate for no other reason than someone is different than them. The was a post on the forum yesterday about children that stoned and killed a Animal because they didn't know what it was ..racism is the of the same type of ignorance. The problem is many who write these pathetic posts don't even realize how stupid and pathetic there reasoning is and that in it self is quite scary.

d9d9d9

19-09-2009, 09:08 AM

Free Speech? More like Free Hate Speech these days on the forums... It really feels more and more like stormfront here.

rodin

19-09-2009, 09:08 AM

your post is typical of the ignorance that as flooded these boards since this post and many like it have reared there ugly heads. its easy to see why racism exists when people give such pathetic examples of supposedly equivalent situations in a attempt to justify there racism. lack of Education is the problem being raised by racist or uneducated parents is another...until this changes the world will be full of idiots that hate for no other reason than someone is different than them. The was a post on the forum yesterday about children that stoned and killed a Animal because they didn't know what it was ..racism is the of the same type of ignorance. The problem is many who write these pathetic posts don't even realize how stupid and pathetic there reasoning is and that in it self is quite scary.

Maybe you can be woken up but first to learn that you are suckered by belief.

That animal was not stoned. No cuts, bruises etc. It was a dead shaved sloth.

Racism is a HOAX. What you need to do urgently is to read selected verses from the TALMUD and also what Jews - both ultraZionist/mafiya types AND apparently courageous whistleblowers - have said about what Judaism teaches about the goyim.

rodin

19-09-2009, 09:10 AM

Free Speech? More like Free Hate Speech these days on the forums... It really feels more and more like stormfront here.

Everytime I see your little terrorist/pirate teddy bear avatar I know truth is seeping out.

rodin

19-09-2009, 09:13 AM

Notice no-one has argued the fact that Jews run the music biz. Only that to SAY as much is a HATE CRIME.

Gulag mentality at best.

d9d9d9

19-09-2009, 09:13 AM

Everytime I see your little terrorist/pirate teddy bear avatar I know truth is seeping out.

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face.

rodin

19-09-2009, 09:35 AM

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face.

Notice no-one has argued the fact that Jews run the music biz.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 09:38 AM

Well shall we suggest black people look in the mirror and ask themselves what they did to contribute to the persistent viewpoint they were (and let's face it to some people still are) an inferior subspecies not deserving of equal rights with white people? Is that reasonable? If not, why the difference?

Yes.
It's reasonable.
Because unless we question the why and comprehend the how we got to this point, we're never really going to be able to correct any societal ills.

Without cutting out the root, we're still [essentially] in denial.

So sure; it is perfectly acceptable ... no ... required ... for ALL aspects of any societal ill to be viewed from all sides - a spotlight thrown on it for clarity of subject, but not just the subject itself, but so we can see where the shadows are cast so they can be investigated too.

If, as you suggest, we did 'ask black people look in the mirror and ask themselves what they did to contribute to the persistent viewpoint they were an inferior subspecies not deserving of equal rights with white people' ... what would be the harm?

I'm confident we'd all come back with the same answer; nothing.
The question is not the issue; NOT asking it is.

So again back to your questions;
Is that reasonable? Yes.
If not, why the difference? No difference.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 09:45 AM

your post is typical of the ignorance that as flooded these boards since this post and many like it have reared there ugly heads. its easy to see why racism exists when people give such pathetic examples of supposedly equivalent situations in a attempt to justify there racism. lack of Education is the problem being raised by racist or uneducated parents is another...until this changes the world will be full of idiots that hate for no other reason than someone is different than them. The was a post on the forum yesterday about children that stoned and killed a Animal because they didn't know what it was ..racism is the of the same type of ignorance. The problem is many who write these pathetic posts don't even realize how stupid and pathetic there reasoning is and that in it self is quite scary.

OK ... so its a nice diversionary rant, but completely fails to address the original post, but does fall in to the usual, bog standard tactics of name calling and ad hominem slurs ...

Anyway, to bring it back on topic and with some focus, here was the original [sofar, unaddressed] point;

If your child got expelled from 10 different schools at what point would you
stop blaming the teachers and think that your child was at fault ?

Who IS responsible?
The schools?
The teachers?
The child?
The parents?

bealert

19-09-2009, 10:04 AM

OK ... so its a nice diversionary rant, but completely fails to address the original post, but does fall in to the usual, bog standard tactics of name calling and ad hominem slurs ...

Anyway, to bring it back on topic and with some focus, here was the original [sofar, unaddressed] point;

Who IS responsible?
The schools?
The teachers?
The child?
The parents?
it not only tells you why racism exists it show how it can be treated. see thats the problem you cant see the problem with bendoons post once you see this you solve racism or at least begain to understand why and how it spreads. until you do this you cant be helped. you need not do anything wrong to be exploited it can happen to anyone in a position of need. The child in your story as probably done something wrong but unless the story as more info we cant comment every situation is different.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:06 AM

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Notice no-one has argued the fact that Jews run the music biz.

Just because no-one argues with the guy in piss-stained trousers sitting on a bench quaffing Special Brew and shouting about how Jews are controlling everything, it doesn't mean they're correct.

You haven't said anything to demonstrate Jews run the (vast) music business, so why should they anyway?

And on top of that, what's your point? Are you simply aggrieved the latest Sugababes single isn't a deranged anti-semitic rant? What's supposed to be the big sinister conspiracy here?

bealert

19-09-2009, 10:12 AM

Are you ever going to answer the question?
Or are you simply hellbent on a path of avoidance and denial with a few condascending words thrown in for good measure?

'until you can do this you can't be helped'

Twat.
What a fucking arrogant, dismissive, trolly comment to make.
it not only tells you why racism exists it show how it can be treated. see thats the problem you cant see the problem with bendoons post once you see this you solve racism or at least begain to understand why and how it spreads. until you do this you cant be helped. you need not do anything wrong to be exploited it can happen to anyone in a position of need. The child in your story as probably done something wrong but unless the story as more info we cant comment every situation is different. your question is pointless it shows nothing only one incident of how the system can fail. you are trying to justify bendoons post by insinuating the boy in the story as done something to deserve hes treatment....lets just say for arguments sake the school had 1000 pupils of which 25 were jewish ..if you found out all 25 of these Jewish kids had been expelled 10 times in the last five years whilst no other children in the school had been..what would you think then

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:27 AM

it not only tells you why racism exists it show how it can be treated. see thats the problem you cant see the problem with bendoons post once you see this you solve racism or at least begain to understand why and how it spreads. until you do this you cant be helped. you need not do anything wrong to be exploited it can happen to anyone in a position of need. The child in your story as probably done something wrong but unless the story as more info we cant comment every situation is different. your question is pointless it shows nothing only one incident of how the system can fail.

Right ... I can agree with that.
Every case is different - possibly.
We don't know.

But we can't go painting it with a broad, generic, blame game brush.

Such as; 'all Jews are persecuted' ... because maybe, just maybe, the Jews were the ones doing the persecution. Every case is different.

To end racism, one of the first steps is to stop labelling people.
Making the step to seeing good and bad in everyone.
'All Jews are persecuted' is just as racist as saying 'all Jews are lying money lenders'.

Both are gross generalisations based on race.

bealert

19-09-2009, 10:32 AM

a-v-o-i-d-a-n-c-e

d-i-v-e-r-s-i-o-n

d-e-n-i-a-l
theres no point in arguing you..the question does not relate to what we are talking about.
so you tell us whats the difference between yourself and a jew.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:33 AM

theres no point in arguing you..the question does not relate to what we are talking about.
so you tell us whats the difference between yourself and a jew.

That was my initial gut reaction.
I apologise.

While you were replying, I was editing. [both time stamped at 11:32]

Hey - I'm human too. :)

bealert

19-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Right ... I can agree with that.
Every case is different - possibly.
We don't know.

But we can't go painting it with a broad, generic, blame game brush.

Such as; 'all Jews are persecuted' ... because maybe, just maybe, the Jews were the ones doing the persecution. Every case is different.

To end racism, one of the first steps is to stop labelling people.
Making the step to seeing good and bad in everyone.
'All Jews are persecuted' is just as racist as saying 'all Jews are lying money lenders'.

Both are gross generalisations based on race.
but the Jews in general have been persecuted because there are Jews it seems people don't need a excuse to dislike or hate word of mouth is enough. Have you ever heard of character assignation ..it can happen for a several different reasons and is done to ruin a persons reputation ...normally done because the person is some sort of threat other than the reason given to destroy hes reputation. A country that as influence over the press can also put out propaganda to influence peoples opinions either against another country organization etc if these tactics are used it can lead to a form of mind control where subliminal messages can be used to influence members of the public to behave in a certain way without even being a where of it. the mind recognizes patterns so if the government were to plant a situation using media within someones mind so that it was remembered then replicate that situation people could be forgiven for believing it was a certain type of person/religion/race that made that happen and then react to it. The same happens with fear of a organization such as al Qaeda where fear is put in to the public on the basis they committed 9/11 without proof.. now this can be used by the government as a weapon of fear to implement new laws or act that may not have been passed without 9/11. It is in this way the Jews have been persecuted and who knows your little boy at school may have received the same treatment but on a smaller scale

rodin

19-09-2009, 11:00 AM

bealert

19-09-2009, 11:09 AM

see this is where it becomes racist because you are intentionally picking on a race of people why and how are they running a business. you are using race as your reason for questioning which is what a racist does to destroy hes targets reputation. The Jews have as much interest in making a company or industry successful as any one else would do religion and race have nothing to do with it.

rodin

19-09-2009, 11:21 AM

see this is where it becomes racist because you are intentionally picking on a race of people why and how are they running a business. you are using race as your reason for questioning which is what a racist does to destroy hes targets reputation.

What I say is true. Whether it is as you say 'racist' is neither here nor there. If what I said were untrue, or an attempt at deliberate defamation, you would have a case if 'Jews' were a race. Patently they are not, since a race is a genetic type, and there are Jews of many different types. There are even a few of Semitic origins.

Now being born a Jew does not mean you are party to the crime, but being 'Jewish' seems to be a prerequisite for being party to the crime at the higher levels. Of course there are collaborators, there always will be, but Judaism is a secret network whose basic tenets include - in their own 'scriptures' - the dismantling and appropriation of the power wealth heath and eventually lives of the goyim.

Now, while the goyim is also not a race but a mix of races, what we have is a supremacist cult or gang prepared to use all means fair and foul to overcome their competition.

Judging by their absolute dominance of the music industry, and all other major power franchises, it seems they are in a position where they can strangle all opposition, apart from (so far) on the internet. Why am I allowed to post this? That question needs answering.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 11:23 AM

Yes.
It's reasonable.
Because unless we question the why and comprehend the how we got to this point, we're never really going to be able to correct any societal ills.

Without cutting out the root, we're still [essentially] in denial.

So sure; it is perfectly acceptable ... no ... required ... for ALL aspects of any societal ill to be viewed from all sides - a spotlight thrown on it for clarity of subject, but not just the subject itself, but so we can see where the shadows are cast so they can be investigated too.

If, as you suggest, we did 'ask black people look in the mirror and ask themselves what they did to contribute to the persistent viewpoint they were an inferior subspecies not deserving of equal rights with white people' ... what would be the harm?

I'm confident we'd all come back with the same answer; nothing.
The question is not the issue; NOT asking it is.

So again back to your questions;
Is that reasonable? Yes.
If not, why the difference? No difference.

So you're confident the answer is "nothing" now? That's strange. Not quite what you were saying earlier.

I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

Blame is such a negative word and also serves no purpose.
Only accepting responsibility can result in any positive and progressive future behaviour.

Or are you only confident the answer is "nothing" regarding black people?

So can you evidence that the Jews have been "blaming the world" for "centuries"?

"Perceived misfortunes"? So you classify, say, a Jewish community being massacred as a "perceived misfortune"? So by our comparison with black people, would you also extend KKK lynchings to being a "perceived misfortune"? What would therefore qualify as an actual "misfortune"?

Is the 'racism' towards the Jews the cause of the problem or the result of the problem?
Chicken or egg?

Patterns happen for a reason.
Using your analogy; many abusers were themselves, abused.
Were the Jews throughout history the abused or the abusers?

I don't know the answer.
I definitely have the question; but no answer.
All I know is that when there is a specific pattern of behaviour, over a long period of time, there is a reason for it.

.
If you don't know the answer, why didn't you frame the question as described in my last post to you? I mean, what "abusing" are you suggesting the Jews were doing? Stubbornly maintaining their own identity and refusing to become Christians? How were they responsible for the church starting to associate them with Satan and the Antichrist? Were they constantly playing Slayer cds really loud?

You are now backtracking in an attempt to moderate your earlier comments. But by framing it in terms of a daft question. I mean, why don't you get off your arse and read up on the history of Jews and black people in their respective positions? And I don't mean by browsing the Dunse website.

Such as; 'all Jews are persecuted' ... because maybe, just maybe, the Jews were the ones doing the persecution. Every case is different.

Yes because in the middle ages through to the Enlightenment vast Jewish armies roamed Europe burning crops and sacking castles.

'All Jews are persecuted' is just as racist as saying 'all Jews are lying money lenders'.

Nobody has said that "all Jews are persecuted" have they?

bealert

19-09-2009, 11:24 AM

What I say is true. Whether it is as you say 'racist' is neither here nor there. If what I said were untrue, or an attempt at deliberate defamation, you would have a case if 'Jews' were a race. Patently they are not, since a race is a genetic type, and there are Jews of many different types. There are even a few of Semitic origins.

Now being born a Jew does not mean you are party to the crime, but being 'Jewish' seems to be a prerequisite for being party to the crime at the higher levels. Of course there are collaborators, there always will be, but Judaism is a secret network whose basic tenets include - in their own 'scriptures' - the dismantling and appropriation of the power wealth heath and eventually lives of the goyim.

Now, while the goyim is also not a race but a mix of races, what we have is a supremacist cult or gang prepared to use all means fair and foul to overcome their competition.

Judging by their absolute dominance of the music industry, and all other major power franchises, it seems they are in a position where they can strangle all opposition, apart from (so far) on the internet. Why am I allowed to post this? That question needs answering.
do you come from the uk? i thinkit would be a good idea to find out if the jews were considerd a race here in the uk as they are in america.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 11:29 AM

Since no one has countered the claim that Jews run the music miz, shall we move onto how this has come about? By accident or design?

BTW they also run the media, the art world, and your government. Not to mention the money supply, as per Rothschild's arrogant but true claims.

Do we think there is a pattern here? Does it fit the dictums in this document?

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=protocols+of+zion+media+control&d=76719352140434&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-US&w=ffcae3c7,14506d2f

No-one has evidenced the claim Jews run the music business.

No-one has explained why anyone should give a shit if they did.

The only pattern is your consistently psychotic obsession with Jews.

Why am I allowed to post this? That question needs answering.

It might just be because nobody is massively concerned about what some random crank is posting on an internet forum.

bealert

19-09-2009, 11:30 AM

What I say is true. Whether it is as you say 'racist' is neither here nor there. If what I said were untrue, or an attempt at deliberate defamation, you would have a case if 'Jews' were a race. Patently they are not, since a race is a genetic type, and there are Jews of many different types. There are even a few of Semitic origins.

Now being born a Jew does not mean you are party to the crime, but being 'Jewish' seems to be a prerequisite for being party to the crime at the higher levels. Of course there are collaborators, there always will be, but Judaism is a secret network whose basic tenets include - in their own 'scriptures' - the dismantling and appropriation of the power wealth heath and eventually lives of the goyim.

Now, while the goyim is also not a race but a mix of races, what we have is a supremacist cult or gang prepared to use all means fair and foul to overcome their competition.

Judging by their absolute dominance of the music industry, and all other major power franchises, it seems they are in a position where they can strangle all opposition, apart from (so far) on the internet. Why am I allowed to post this? That question needs answering.
Judaism is a religion like Islam. It was people like Hitler who saw them as a “race” and wanted them wiped out. Of course, he wasn’t alone in seeing them as a race, as did many anti-semites in the UK and Europe.

The government designation of Jews as a race is predicated on that anti-semitism and is a technical measure more than anything. Otherwise the 1976 Race Relations Act made it illegal to disciminate against Blacks and Asians but not Jewish people.

This is not my thoughts on the matter its just something i copied in a ttemp to solve the disagreement.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 11:46 AM

What I say is true. Whether it is as you say 'racist' is neither here nor there. If what I said were untrue, or an attempt at deliberate defamation, you would have a case if 'Jews' were a race. Patently they are not, since a race is a genetic type, and there are Jews of many different types. There are even a few of Semitic origins.

Now being born a Jew does not mean you are party to the crime, but being 'Jewish' seems to be a prerequisite for being party to the crime at the higher levels. Of course there are collaborators, there always will be, but Judaism is a secret network whose basic tenets include - in their own 'scriptures' - the dismantling and appropriation of the power wealth heath and eventually lives of the goyim.

So how come you have a loooong history of saying (often falsely) such-and-such has a Jewish parent, grandparent, great-grandparent, once got chatting to a Jew in a pub or whatever and then claiming they are a Jew even if they are an athesist or Christian or whatever? Like all that Stalin & Churchill were Jewish bullshit you like so much.
How does this 'secret network' work? Where is the paper trail? When are the meetings? How is it coordinated? Study the below very carefully. It defines your entire existence.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OF9vLkMRWbI/Sp4FuyU7S0I/AAAAAAAAAD0/5ZF63QUwqro/s320/417.gif

yozhik

19-09-2009, 11:46 AM

So you're confident the answer is "nothing" now? That's strange. Not quite what you were saying earlier.

Or are you only confident the answer is "nothing" regarding black people?
Read it again.
That was with regards to black people.

Careful dogsmilk ... don't fall into your normal trick of disinfo and assigning your words to others ...

So can you evidence that the Jews have been "blaming the world" for "centuries"?
Nice use of humour. :) ... well done.

"Perceived misfortunes"? So you classify, say, a Jewish community being massacred as a "perceived misfortune"? So by our comparison with black people, would you also extend KKK lynchings to being a "perceived misfortune"? What would therefore qualify as an actual "misfortune"?
No.
They're not perceived misfortunes.
They are very real tragedies.
Why are you belittling these tragic events.

Oh wait ... I get it now ... more dogsmilk disinformation ... introducing extreme examples, then attributing words to me, to add strength to your own argument ... yes, yes ... I see it now.

No dogsmilk ... no.
Not this time.
Stop putting 'words in my mouth'.

Some questions for you;
The bastardisation of a nations laws.
The systematic destruction of a nations monetary system by the creeping cancer of usary.
The constant strangulation of a nations commerce and the funnelling of power into the hands of a few.

Misfortunes?
Provocations?
Subtle acts of war?

... or just 'good business'?

If you don't know the answer, why didn't you frame the question as described in my last post to you? I mean, what "abusing" are you suggesting the Jews were doing? Stubbornly maintaining their own identity and refusing to become Christians? How were they responsible for the church starting to associate them with Satan and the Antichrist? Were they constantly playing Slayer cds really loud?

Ah yes ... more 'suggestions' that have never been suggested.
Dogsmilk ... your craft is now becoming somewhat repetitive and predictable.

I did not suggest anything of that nature.
Maybe this is why you have to?
Because if I don't suggest or introduce the point you need, then how will you argue the point you want to make?

You may as well just post a monologue ... or a fictitious discussion with yourself.
Essentially, that is what you're doing anyway ... because you are telling me what my suggestions are and attributing words to my posts, which don't actually exist, other than in your mind and your perceived counter argument.

'Damn ... he didn't say this or that ... and I was really wanting those to make this point ... oh fuck it ... I'll introduce it myself and then just pretend he said it ... yes - that will work ...'

You are now backtracking in an attempt to moderate your earlier comments. But by framing it in terms of a daft question. I mean, why don't you get off your arse and read up on the history of Jews and black people in their respective positions? And I don't mean by browsing the Dunse website.

Oh right.
I'm backtracking.

Tell me; would that be backtacking on points you made then accredited to me?
Because according to you in another post, I don't actually make any points or statements; I craft posts that are carefully worded so as not to take any definitive stance.

The artform you have perfected is wording what you say very carefully so you're not actually saying it you're just floating the idea.

So how does that work?
How does one backtrack on a stance that one has never taken?
I will assume I am being accused of 'backtracking' on one of your self fulfilling arguments and counter arguments, that you have attempted to attribute to me, for the purpose of discrediting me, then when I refuse delivery, it is now being painted as 'backtracing'.
:)

Yes because in the middle ages through to the Enlightenment vast Jewish armies roamed Europe burning crops and sacking castles.

Yes, yes ... because in those days, bloodshed was the only form of destruction.
I mean, there is no way they would have been intelligent enough, in Medeival times, to think of any forms of subversion or a way to erode a nation or a societal structure.

Oh no ... they were all blood and gore, kill, maim, rape and pillage.

Its only in recent times we've discovered weapons like propaganda, economic subversion, mind control, treason, manipulation of justice, etc, etc

No; you're right.
Far too subtle for earlier generations.
Blood and gore ... destruction of castles ... raping of princesses ... thats what its all about.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 12:09 PM

You're what is termed an enabler.

Diverting/projecting the issue onto others without bothering to analyse whether the response is the cause or the effect.

Is the 'racism' towards the Jews the cause of the problem or the result of the problem?
Chicken or egg?

Patterns happen for a reason.
Using your analogy; many abusers were themselves, abused.
Were the Jews throughout history the abused or the abusers?

I don't know the answer.
I definitely have the question; but no answer.
All I know is that when there is a specific pattern of behaviour, over a long period of time, there is a reason for it.

I'll keep going back to my simplistic bar analogy in an earlier post.

Odd you didn't claim this earlier?

You can't condemn a son for the sins of his father.

Absolute, unequivocal, arrogant bullshit.
You're for the law, will defend it and yet in the next breath, you position yourself as an advocate of 'guilt by DNA heredity'.

If you are such a pillar of the law, then you will know the son can not be guilty of his father's sins; you will know that a basic human right, in a society serving justice, is innocence until proven guilty.

Those "whites" walking around today had no say, played no part and were in no way responsible for the past wrongs.

Do you defend the law?
Or your perception of the law?

rodin

19-09-2009, 12:13 PM

do you come from the uk? i thinkit would be a good idea to find out if the jews were considerd a race here in the uk as they are in america.

How can a group of people encompassing blacks and whites be considered a race? I care not what the UK or US gov calls them. They say 911 was done by 19 Muslims so are proven liars.

bealert

19-09-2009, 12:15 PM

How can a group of people encompassing blacks and whites be considered a race? I care not what the UK or US gov calls them. They say 911 was done by 19 Muslims so are proven liars.
It would matter in a court of law...or if someone would write say racist posts.
but yes i see your point

rodin

19-09-2009, 12:15 PM

Let's just say for a moment it was not Jews who own the premier league and everything, but Muslims.

How would any of you feel about that?

mynameis

19-09-2009, 12:17 PM

Let's just say for a moment it was not Jews who own the premier league and everything, but Muslims.

How would any of you feel about that?

And?

rodin

19-09-2009, 12:19 PM

It would matter in a court of law...or if someone would write say racist posts.
but yes i see your point

My point is Jews run the media and the media supports the crime of 911.

Who are they covering for by blaming Muslims for the crimes of others?

Here's the most convincing answer I have found. Find me a better and I will say well done sir I was duped

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

Now you see why I am persistent. Do any of you still think I am 'racist'?????

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 12:21 PM

Read it again.
That was with regards to black people.

Careful dogsmilk ... don't fall into your normal trick of disinfo and assigning your words to others ...

So why do you automatically assume nothing for black people but not for Jews? Why the inconsistency?

Nice use of humour. :) ... well done.

I take it that's a no then.

No.
They're not perceived misfortunes.
They are very real tragedies.
Why are you belittling these tragic events.

Oh wait ... I get it now ... more dogsmilk disinformation ... introducing extreme examples, then attributing words to me, to add strength to your own argument ... yes, yes ... I see it now.

No dogsmilk ... no.
Not this time.
Stop putting 'words in my mouth'.

I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

So quoting the exact words you use is putting words in your mouth is it? How does that work?

And so we're back to the original question

So you classify, say, a Jewish community being massacred as a "perceived misfortune"? So by our comparison with black people, would you also extend KKK lynchings to being a "perceived misfortune"? What would therefore qualify as an actual "misfortune"

Because persecution, forced conversion on pain of death, mass killings - they're the "misfortune" the Jews "perceived" aren't they? Or what? What else are these "perceived misfortunes"? Gentiles ringing their doorbells and running away?

And is it bad to refer to the suffering of black people as 'perceived misfortunes' but not Jews? How does that work?

Some questions for you;
The bastardisation of a nations laws.
The systematic destruction of a nations monetary system by the creeping cancer of usary.
The constant strangulation of a nations commerce and the funnelling of power into the hands of a few.

Misfortunes?
Provocations?
Subtle acts of war?

... or just 'good business'?

Or just you coming out with a big crock of shit?

Ah yes ... more 'suggestions' that have never been suggested.
Dogsmilk ... your craft is now becoming somewhat repetitive and predictable.

I did not suggest anything of that nature.
Maybe this is why you have to?
Because if I don't suggest or introduce the point you need, then how will you argue the point you want to make?

You may as well just post a monologue ... or a fictitious discussion with yourself.
Essentially, that is what you're doing anyway ... because you are telling me what my suggestions are and attributing words to my posts, which don't actually exist, other than in your mind and your perceived counter argument.

'Damn ... he didn't say this or that ... and I was really wanting those to make this point ... oh fuck it ... I'll introduce it myself and then just pretend he said it ... yes - that will work ...'

Yeah you're not suggesting a thing, particularly in your previous posts I quoted. Well let's try to be clear to avoid confusion.

I mean, there is no way they would have been intelligent enough, in Medeival times, to think of any forms of subversion or a way to erode a nation or a societal structure.

The bastardisation of a nations laws.
The systematic destruction of a nations monetary system by the creeping cancer of usary.
The constant strangulation of a nations commerce and the funnelling of power into the hands of a few.

Misfortunes?
Provocations?
Subtle acts of war?

But you're not suggesting anything. Is that right? So my responses are missing the point, because you're not suggesting a damn thing and so, well, there wasn't really any point in you saying it. Correct?

Why do you constantly play this stupid game? At least rodin says what he thinks and stands by it.

Oh right.
I'm backtracking.

Tell me; would that be backtacking on points you made then accredited to me?
Because according to you in another post, I don't actually make any points or statements; I craft posts that are carefully worded so as not to take any definitive stance.

So how does that work?
How does one backtrack on a stance that one has never taken?
I will assume I am being accused of 'backtracking' on one of your self fulfilling arguments and counter arguments, that you have attempted to attribute to me, for the purpose of discrediting me, then when I refuse delivery, it is now being painted as 'backtracing'.
:)[/quote]

Well, I foolishly assumed that if you made an assumption when asking a question about black people, you would be consistent when it came to asking that question about Jews. Silly me.

Yes, yes ... because in those days, bloodshed was the only form of destruction.
I mean, there is no way they would have been intelligent enough, in Medeival times, to think of any forms of subversion or a way to erode a nation or a societal structure.

Oh no ... they were all blood and gore, kill, make, rape and pillage.

Its only in recent times we've discovered weapons like propaganda, economic subversion, mind control, treason, manipulation of justice, etc, etc

No; you're right.
Far too subtle for earlier generations.
Blood and gore ... destruction of castles ... raping of princesses ... thats what its all about.

Oh right yeah. Big medieval Jewish conspiracy. How silly of me. I didn't think of the evil Jewish machinations to erode nation states and social structures happening in your head.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 12:24 PM

My point is Jews run the media and the media supports the crime of 911.

Who are they covering for by blaming Muslims for the crimes of others?

Here's the most convincing answer I have found. Find me a better and I will say well done sir I was duped

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

Now you see why I am persistent. Do any of you still think I am 'racist'?????

Jews don't run the music industry though. It is four major companies and lots of independents that run the industry.

World music market sales shares, according to IFPI (2005)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/WMM-IFPI.svg/250px-WMM-IFPI.svg.png

yozhik

19-09-2009, 12:30 PM

Oh right yeah. Big medieval Jewish conspiracy. How silly of me. I didn't think of the evil Jewish machinations to erode nation states and social structures happening in your head.

Although posted tongue in cheek, it does point to one issue dogsmilk.
You don't consider all options.

You can not summarily dismiss subversion and non-violent weaponary and acts of war.
They exist.
They are real.
Their impact is usally far greater and longer lasting than mere blood letting.

In my head?
Sure dogsmilk ... if you want to pretend that such tactics did not exist throughout time and are merely conspiracy theories now; go ahead.
You'll call that intelligence; I'll continue to call it denial.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 12:33 PM

My point is Jews run the media and the media supports the crime of 911.

Who are they covering for by blaming Muslims for the crimes of others?

Here's the most convincing answer I have found. Find me a better and I will say well done sir I was duped

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

Now you see why I am persistent. Do any of you still think I am 'racist'?????

You started this thread to say Jews run the music industry. You have not demonstrated this in any way shape or form or explained what the big deal is. That bollocky page you keep posting everywhere has nothing to do with it.

I think you're a committed Judeophobe. I feel a bit sorry for you because Jews basically control your life - I a sense I think you're correct to say Jews rule the world because they most certainly rule yours.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 12:39 PM

Odd you didn't claim this earlier?

LMAO ... what a pathetic attempt at discrediting that is. :D

mynameis ... you have surpassed all earlier effort with this one.

1. the posts are on two different threads, on two different subject matters.

2. the first quote you have posted was specifically talking about events that happened over a period of centuries, in numerous geographic locations ... i.e. multi-generational and multi-ethnic.

3. the second quote you post was a rebuttal to your stance that because the ancestors of the white Americans murdered the American Indians, then all white Americans TODAY, are guilty by association and as you put it;
A nation of thieves is still a nation descended from thieves.

Completely quoted out of context, from a completely separate thread, different subject matter, different rebuttal to a different argument.

Pathetic.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 12:41 PM

Although posted tongue in cheek, it does point to one issue dogsmilk.
You don't consider all options.

You can not summarily dismiss subversion and non-violent weaponary and acts of war.
They exist.
They are real.
Their impact is usally far greater and longer lasting than mere blood letting.

In my head?
Sure dogsmilk ... if you want to pretend that such tactics did not exist throughout time and are merely conspiracy theories now; go ahead.
You'll call that intelligence; I'll continue to call it denial.

That a tactic exists does not constitute evidence of its use in a specific situation.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 12:44 PM

That a tactic exists does not constitute evidence of its use in a specific situation.

But it does constitute the possibility of its use.
As was mentioned earlier on this thread, I think by bealert, it is a case-by-case situation.
By making sweeping generalisations, no matter which 'side of the fence' the comments sit on, both can be accused of being racist.

bealert

19-09-2009, 12:46 PM

it doesn't matter..i couldn't care less...i really find you offensive in your attitude you must live your life hating ..what a sad way you live your life.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 12:50 PM

Pathetic.

That's what your contradiction in statements regarding sins of the past was supposedly indicates. If you say something you shouldn't waver. Didn't you say that the sin's of the fathers shouldn't be put upon the past to that effect? Yet you sit here and belittle anything remotely Jewish as a Judeophobe, yet I make that claim about white America having no room for a voice because of the associated past of whites, and it seems you get a stiffy, now why would that be? It seems to me that if you can claim that Jewish people are guilty of what makes them overachievers, I can claim that white European's in the US, who aren't Jewish have underachieved as thieves, which they still are.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 12:53 PM

But it does constitute the possibility of its use.
As was mentioned earlier on this thread, I think by bealert, it is a case-by-case situation.
By making sweeping generalisations, no matter which 'side of the fence' the comments sit on, both can be accused of being racist.

By that logic, it's possible Pakistan's tiny Zoroastrian minority are acting to subvert Pakistan's social structure and erode its nationhood. It's possible medieval Jews carried a frog in their underwear every second Tuesday.
I'm not making sweeping generalisations and I do not understand how both sides can be accused of being racist.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 01:00 PM

mynameis

19-09-2009, 01:22 PM

yozhik

19-09-2009, 04:29 PM

it doesn't matter..i couldn't care less...i really find you offensive in your attitude you must live your life hating ..what a sad way you live your life.

I don't comprehend how you can come to that conclusion, when I have been advocating looking at things on a case-by-case basis and have been championing not making sweeping generalisations on the basis of race.

That seems to be a stance of tolerance, rather than hate.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 04:39 PM

By that logic, it's possible Pakistan's tiny Zoroastrian minority are acting to subvert Pakistan's social structure and erode its nationhood. It's possible medieval Jews carried a frog in their underwear every second Tuesday.

Sure; it's possible.
What's your point?

I do not understand how both sides can be accused of being racist.

Oh come now; you're more intelligent than that.

There is both positive discrimination and negative discrimination.
Having a quota system, based on RACE in educational systems, so that one race can be accepted with a lower grade for entry is a RACIST policy.

It's not negative discrimination; it is positive discrimnation.

'Jews are God's chosen people' is as racist as 'all Jews are money hungry demons'.
The statements are gross generalisations based wholly on race.
It could be said those two statements are diametrically opposed, representing both sides.
Both racist.

Now there are some on this forum, who on the face of it, would argue that Jew shit doesn't stink.
Similarly, there are those who can see no good in ANY Jewish contribution at any time, throughout history.
Both are racist opinions.

I subscribe to neither.
There is good and bad in ALL people; regardless of colour, race or creed.
I'm simply non-tolerant of rose coloured spectacles.

Those who run to the defense of the 'Jews' simply on the basis that they're ... errrr ... Jews ... without first analysing the actions that are deemed to be criticised or defended smacks of positive racism.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 04:45 PM

Let's see European Americans in the United States have exacerbated these problems after Independence:

Magic paper = thievery
Debt from substance to credit = thievery
Land settlement = thievery
Slavery = thievery
Taxes = thievery
Civil code = thievery based on human errors
Corporate person-hood = tax exempt and labor exploitation thievery
Drug companies = thievery of the sick and dying
Churches = tax exempt thievery
Family Values = religious scapegoating for donations against people we hate politically

and many more....

mynameis ... you're correct.
Those actions are repugnant.
I wholeheartedly agree with every single example you have given.
They can not be condoned.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that the list you have provided pretty much sums up the foundation of all of today's evils.

This [I hope] is what we can all come together over and fight; make a stand as a united voice.

My point being that THIS generation has a chance to unite and fight.
I do not hold the current population [in general] of America responsible for the introduction of the Federal Reserve Act.

I don't hold the current population of America responsible for the introduction and promotion of slavery.

I hope that the ills of the past have been learned from and won't be repeated; in fact, more than that, I hope that they will be overturned in many cases.

Now whether the current population who have the power to do anything about it, WILL do anything about it, is the question at hand; not whether we blame them.
They will be judged by their actions, as well as their inactions.
However, let them be judge by THEIR actions, not those of their ancestors.

I would apply that same opinion for ALL people.

bealert

19-09-2009, 04:46 PM

I don't comprehend how you can come to that conclusion, when I have been advocating looking at things on a case-by-case basis and have been championing not making sweeping generalisations on the basis of race.

That seems to be a stance of tolerance, rather than hate.
i was replying to rodin

yozhik

19-09-2009, 04:56 PM

That's what your contradiction in statements regarding sins of the past was supposedly indicates. If you say something you shouldn't waver. Didn't you say that the sin's of the fathers shouldn't be put upon the past to that effect?
My statement was, is and will be;
Don't condemn the son for the sins of the father.

From that I have not, do not and will not waiver.

Yet you sit here and belittle anything remotely Jewish as a Judeophobe,
Not true.

yet I make that claim about white America having no room for a voice because of the associated past of whites, and it seems you get a stiffy, now why would that be?
Because your comment lacks logic and is racist.
'white America having no room for a voice because of the associated past of whites'
... is a racist comment.

So how can you jump on anything you perceive as being racist re: Jews and yet justify a racist comment against white Americans?

That's illogical and hypocritical.

Jewish people are guilty of what makes them overachievers, I can claim that white European's in the US, who aren't Jewish have underachieved as thieves, which they still are.

You see, even your comment;
Jewish people are guilty of what makes them overachievers

... is racist.

It implies that all Jewish people are overachievers.
It might be a positive comment, but given it is based wholly on race; it is racist.

Personally, I believe all overachievement, when it benefits all, should be applauded.

Jeffrey Dahmer was an overachiever; it would be hard to argue his overachievement was for the benefit of all.
Bernie Madoff was an overachiever.
Henry Kissinger is an overachiever; the mark he has on history is more akin to a skid mark in your underwear than it is an honourable mark.
Tony Blair is an overachiever; whilst he is halied by some, I would suggest he is loathed by more.

Overachievement can [again] be negative and positive.
Case-by-case ... regardless of race.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 04:57 PM

i was replying to rodin

My mistake - sorry :)
I saw it directly after my post, so thought it referred to it.

rodin

19-09-2009, 05:06 PM

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 06:09 PM

Every now and then I check in to see if anyone has evidence that counters ANYTHING I have said. Instead I get blamed for bringing it to our attention. Least that's how it appears to me.

I wish the subject matter would be addressed directly.

Every now and then I check in to see if you have any evidence the Jews run the music industry after you felt motivated to start a thread saying they do. Instead it's just degenerated into the usual 'let's have a go at the Jews' thread. Least that's how it appears to me.

I wish the subject matter would be addressed directly.

clozaril

19-09-2009, 06:58 PM

Every now and then I check in to see if anyone has evidence that counters ANYTHING I have said. Instead I get blamed for bringing it to our attention. Least that's how it appears to me.

I wish the subject matter would be addressed directly.

jews run the music biz

not true ! all the jewish people on this planet do not run the music biz
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could you define run ?

do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that license a piece of music from a musician (which the musician still owns)

or do you mean some people who are jewish write and perform all the songs that we hear ?

or do you mean some people who are jewish have created all the instruments that music is preformed with.

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that distributes music from a factory to a shop or from country to country

or do you mean some people who are jewish own recording studios where artists record there songs using various techniques to a standard judged 'professional' and marketable

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a radio staion and people may wish to tune in ?

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 08:19 PM

Sure; it's possible.
What's your point?

That saying something is possible is utterly banal. What's your point?

Oh come now; you're more intelligent than that.

There is both positive discrimination and negative discrimination.
Having a quota system, based on RACE in educational systems, so that one race can be accepted with a lower grade for entry is a RACIST policy.

It's not negative discrimination; it is positive discrimnation.

Well looking up a couple of definitions of "racism":

the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=65090&dict=CALD

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism

I think most people would judge racism in terms of having a negative view of other races. Whether you agree with it or not (is it still something you get? I can't say I know), positive discrimination is supposed to remedy the negative societal effects of racism on the basis black people or whoever have not been given a level playing field. It was never about notions of white people being inferior or white people being discriminated against as the assumption was the balance of power was already tipped in favour of white people. You can say it's racist if you like - I'm not arsed - but I myself think the conceptual framework is underpinned by something I would not recognise as "racism" as the term is commonly understood, irrespective of whether it's a good idea.
Quite what this has to do with the discussion I'm not sure.

'Jews are God's chosen people' is as racist as 'all Jews are money hungry demons'.
The statements are gross generalisations based wholly on race.
It could be said those two statements are diametrically opposed, representing both sides.
Both racist.

Why is it racist? As I understand it, the belief centres around the Messiah ultimately turning up and heralding God smiting all their enemies and establishing the perfect kingdom or some shit. Christians are apt to think Jesus will come back, establish God's kingdom on earth, leading the Christians to everlasting life and sending everyone else to hell. Are they really fundamentally that different? Hell, all three of the big monotheisms believe the Old Testament where the Jews are chosen as special by God.
And you can convert to being one of God's chosen people if that's your fancy - so how can that be racist? I'm sure you can apply Judaism in a racist way, but Christian identity white twationalists apply Christianity in a racist way - and that says more about them than Christians par se.
They're God's chosen people to some apocalyptic Christians as well - except in the end they'll have to embrace Christ or be fucked. They need to rebuild the temple to herald some apocalyptic bullshit or other.
Frankly I have no idea how many Jews literally believe the entire narrative - do you? I mean, do you think a Jew like, say, Jon Ronson lies awake at night feeling smug about being one of God's chosen? Are you suggesting your average Jew regards themselves as being in some kind of master race?
I'd say most Jews are just getting on with their lives same as everyone else - what do you think?

Now there are some on this forum, who on the face of it, would argue that Jew shit doesn't stink.
Similarly, there are those who can see no good in ANY Jewish contribution at any time, throughout history.
Both are racist opinions.

Really? Like who? (I mean the former)
Jews are just people. That a given individual is a Jew is irrelevant. They may be good, they may be bad. And they are in no way a homogenous group.

There is good and bad in ALL people; regardless of colour, race or creed.
I'm simply non-tolerant of rose coloured spectacles.

I agree.
I'm simply not tolerant of baseless conjecture coloured spectacles.

You're a funny guy. You seem to teeter on the verge of full-on Jewish conspiracy narratives and then pull yourself back.

Those who run to the defense of the 'Jews' simply on the basis that they're ... errrr ... Jews ... without first analysing the actions that are deemed to be criticised or defended smacks of positive racism.

All you've done is suggest Jews might have been working to destabilise nations from within for no apparent reason on the basis it's physically possible and other such bollocks. And that's all you've advanced in relation to Jews historically being persecuted and massacred. I don't see you applying the same 'hmmmm maybe' speculation to anyone else. Why is that?
And I've seen fuck all "analysis" happening on your part.

You still haven't explained your inconsistent assumption regarding black people, or this "perceived misfortune" bullshit.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 08:55 PM

dogsmilk ... I enjoy your posts; really.
Respectful and not too emotional.
It's a compliment, whether you care or not. :)

OK ... down to business, eh? ;)

You quoted as a definition;
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

and yet somehow ...
'Jews are God's chosen people'
... [according to you] is not a racist comment.

That's illogical.
According to the definition you have supplied, it is the epitome of racism.
'Jews are God's chosen people' asserts that the Jews are superior [see your definition] based purely on their race [see your definition].

Are you suggesting your average Jew regards themselves as being in some kind of master race?
I'm not suggesting anything of the kind.
However, now that you ask, I am stating 'yes'; according to their teachings, absolutely yes.
Judaism specifically teaches that Jews are a master race, superior and God's chosen people.
Now whether this is regarded by the 'average Jew' [sic]; I have no idea.

I am also stating that 'Jews are God's chosen people' is a racist statement.

I'd say most Jews are just getting on with their lives same as everyone else - what do you think?
I'd say you're right.
It still doesn't remove the fact that the comment is racist.
However - most religious teachings are.

The purpose of my post was NOT to highlight Judaism is more or less racist than any other organised religion.
It was to highlight, by using a topical example [the topic WAS 'Jews' afterall], that racism can be both positive and negative in its content.

You could find equally racist comments in Islamic teachings, Catholic teachings, probably Scientology text too - I'm not familiar with them, but its an educated guess.

You still haven't explained your inconsistent assumption regarding black people, or this "perceived misfortune" bullshit.
The original reference to black people was specifically regarding slavery in America. My assumption is that the black people who were enslaved had no responsibility for, nor control over, those actions.

The original reference to the 'perceived misfortune' was generally regarding the issue of Jews throughout European history, regarding them being evicted from multiple countries over a period of centuries. Whilst many of the evictions may have been based on racist/religious grounds, there is anecdotal evicence that some of the evictions were also brought about by certain commercial practices that were met with the ire of the host nation. So sure - the majority was based on racism, however it would appear that some of the 'perceived misfortune' was brought about as a direct result of activities for which a section of the Jewish community was directly responsible.

A specific reference to slavery, which the black people are not responsible for.
A general reference to evictions, which a section of the Jewish community at the time, has to share some of the responsibility, due to their own actions and activities.

Inconsistent assumption?
No.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 08:57 PM

yozhik

19-09-2009, 09:02 PM

+1. Overachieving in bad things is not always good, yes, though this thread being in context of music, any connection with someone doing their art, that is considered as an affront to [...] Yo.

That is a lie.

You have nothing to show on this thread where I have stated that 'overachievement [...] with someone doing their art [...] is considered an affront' to me.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 09:43 PM

That is a lie.

You have nothing to show on this thread where I have stated that 'overachievement [...] with someone doing their art [...] is considered an affront' to me.

Then kindly answer the put question?

jews run the music biz

not true ! all the jewish people on this planet do not run the music biz
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could you define run ?

do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that license a piece of music from a musician (which the musician still owns)

or do you mean some people who are jewish write and perform all the songs that we hear ?

or do you mean some people who are jewish have created all the instruments that music is preformed with.

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that distributes music from a factory to a shop or from country to country

or do you mean some people who are jewish own recording studios where artists record there songs using various techniques to a standard judged 'professional' and marketable

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a radio staion and people may wish to tune in ?

yozhik

19-09-2009, 09:50 PM

Then kindly answer the put question?

The 'put question' was rodin's to answer; that is to whom it was 'put' by clozaril.

However, I accept your apology for lying.
I also forgive you for your nefarious and false accusation.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 09:54 PM

The 'put question' was rodin's to answer; that is to whom it was 'put' by clozaril.

However, I accept your apology for lying.
I also forgive you for your nefarious and false accusation.

I didn't lie, you did here is the definition of affront and your statement.

I agree with you 100%.

Which is why I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

Blame is such a negative word and also serves no purpose.
Only accepting responsibility can result in any positive and progressive future behaviour.

Again, I will come back to the simplistic bar hopping/face slapping analogy I gave earlier. When it comes to the 'Jews' and their 'persecution' throughout European history, we seem to be continually forced to focus our attention and blame on the anti-men face slappers instead of demanding that the bar hopper stands up, like a man, and takes responsibility for his actions.

1. a personally offensive act or word; deliberate act or display of disrespect; intentional slight; insult: an affront to the king.
2. an offense to one's dignity or self-respect.

Now why should they have to accept the consequences to people like you who are affronted by them being who they are? I see playing stupid and not answering the questions. What a surprise.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:09 PM

I didn't lie, you did here is the definition of affront and your statement.

mynameis ... stop fucking around.

You accused me of;
+1. Overachieving in bad things is not always good, yes, though this thread being in context of music, any connection with someone doing their art, that is considered as an affront to Rodin and Yo.

It is a bold faced, unsubstantiated lie.
Even your ridiculous attempt at justifying it, doesn't.
The two don't even relate.

I see playing stupid and not answering the questions. What a surprise.

More fucking games.

As stated ... FACT ... clozaril directed the questions at rodin.
They are not mine to answer.

Just more mynameis diversionary, inaccurate, unsubstantiated disinformation.
Same ol' bullshit.

blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

This is 100% accurate.
I stand behind it.
'Attributing blame' is not 'accepting responsibility'; that's not an 'affront', its a fact.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 10:18 PM

mynameis ... stop fucking around.

You accused me of;

It is a bold faced, unsubstantiated lie.
Even your ridiculous attempt at justifying it, doesn't.
The two don't even relate.

More fucking games.

As stated ... FACT ... clozaril directed the questions at rodin.
They are not mine to answer.

Just more mynameis diversionary, inaccurate, unsubstantiated disinformation.
Same ol' bullshit.

This is 100% accurate.
I stand behind it.
'Attributing blame' is not 'accepting responsibility'; that's not an 'affront', its a fact.

So you are wasting our time and this really isn't your position, or your comment, or opinion?

I agree with you 100%.

Which is why I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

Blame is such a negative word and also serves no purpose.
Only accepting responsibility can result in any positive and progressive future behaviour.

Again, I will come back to the simplistic bar hopping/face slapping analogy I gave earlier. When it comes to the 'Jews' and their 'persecution' throughout European history, we seem to be continually forced to focus our attention and blame on the anti-men face slappers instead of demanding that the bar hopper stands up, like a man, and takes responsibility for his actions.
Has that ever been done?
I suggest not.

I'm in full agreement with you; the blame game has been over used.

Sounds like attributing an affront is attributing blame in my book. So you can shove your liar statement up your own ass.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:25 PM

So you are wasting our time and this really isn't your position, or your comment, or opinion?

Asked and answered;

The original reference to the 'perceived misfortune' was generally regarding the issue of Jews throughout European history, regarding them being evicted from multiple countries over a period of centuries. Whilst many of the evictions may have been based on racist/religious grounds, there is anecdotal evicence that some of the evictions were also brought about by certain commercial practices that were met with the ire of the host nation. So sure - the majority was based on racism, however it would appear that some of the 'perceived misfortune' was brought about as a direct result of activities for which a section of the Jewish community was directly responsible.

A specific reference to slavery, which the black people are not responsible for.
A general reference to evictions, which a section of the Jewish community at the time, has to share some of the responsibility, due to their own actions and activities.

Sounds like attributing an affront is attributing blame in my book. So you can shove your liar statement up your own ass.

As with most of your bullshit, this makes no sense.
You are a liar; your accusation was false.

Now be a man and admit it.

Oh ... and your apology is STILL accepted, despite your rudeness and I still forgive you.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 10:32 PM

Asked and answered;

As with most of your bullshit, this makes no sense.
You are a liar; your accusation was false.

Now be a man and admit it.

Oh ... and your apology is STILL accepted, despite your rudeness and I still forgive you.

Sorry, but this woman will not. You have been shown to be wasting our time. You opinion you posted is an affront as the definition attributes: a deliberate act or display of disrespect

There is no acceptance for blame from someone like you, who is an affronted without them first trying to scapegoat without facts. You are a scape-goater who goats on the Jewish people, in the context of little things like music, or anything that has Jewish people involved, which is typical of Judeophobes. You have fun with posting questions without any facts, because you have no facts.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 10:46 PM

You are a scape-goater who goats on the Jewish people, in the context of little things like music, or anything that has Jewish people involved, which is typical of Judeophobes.

More unsubstantiated bullshit.

Show me ONE example of me 'goating on the Jewish people in the context of little things like music'.

Just ONE example.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 10:54 PM

More unsubstantiated bullshit.

Show me ONE example of me 'goating on the Jewish people in the context of little things like music'.

Just ONE example.

scape·goat

One that is made to bear the blame of others.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat

Example:
I suggest that centuries of 'Jews' blaming the world for their perceived misfortunes is attributing blame, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions, which has been the cause of the resultant consequences to their own behaviour.

yozhik

19-09-2009, 11:00 PM

mynameis

19-09-2009, 11:08 PM

That makes no sense.

I stated that if Jews blame the world, they aren't taking responsibility.
That is a true statement.
It's not making Jews a scape-goat.

Is English a second language for you?
That's not an insult; its a genuine question.
It might explain the misinterpretation.

Blah Blah Blah....Your statement put for the claim that the Jewish people are blamed by other people and that they are to blame. This has nothing to do with behavior of the Jewish people i.e. theirs being a deliberate act or display of disrespect by Jewish people. You have scapegoated the Jewish people and are affronted by their presence in the world. Now if you knew English, you would know that what you have typed in that statement above, is exactly the definition described.

dogsmilk

19-09-2009, 11:44 PM

dogsmilk ... I enjoy your posts; really.
Respectful and not too emotional.
It's a compliment, whether you care or not. :)

OK ... down to business, eh? ;)

Ta.

You quoted as a definition;

and yet somehow ...

... [according to you] is not a racist comment.

That's illogical.
According to the definition you have supplied, it is the epitome of racism.
'Jews are God's chosen people' asserts that the Jews are superior [see your definition] based purely on their race [see your definition].

I'm not suggesting anything of the kind.
However, now that you ask, I am stating 'yes'; according to their teachings, absolutely yes.
Judaism specifically teaches that Jews are a master race, superior and God's chosen people.
Now whether this is regarded by the 'average Jew' [sic]; I have no idea.

I am also stating that 'Jews are God's chosen people' is a racist statement.

But it's not about race. I don't know a great deal about Judaism, but I think the notion is a theological one. If there had been no Judaism, the people we call "Jews" would have been fundamentally indistinguishable from other surrounding people in the Middle East. They were they 12 tribes of Israel, not the Jewish race. As has already been pointed out before, there are black Jews, white Jews, in the middle Jews. And you can join them if you so wish. The notion is of a specific set of 'chosen' people. This is basically the same as Islam and Christianity insofar as a specific set of believers are jolly good eggs in the sight of the Lord. Judaism differs though insofar as it has never sought to expand itself. It allows entry into it, but does not evangelise. Jews have instead (until Zionism) been content to await the Messiah in the diaspora, as has been regarded as God's plan. This has meant Jews have kept a unique identity and notable difference while not (until Zionism) seeking to establish themselves in terms of some kind of state. IMO the consequence of this has been the genesis of the Jewish conspiracy. An 'alien' people living often quite separately, with their own funny ways and following a different religion in an aggressively Christian area and era when 'heretics' were routinely killed - you'd be kinda surprised if they didn't get turned on sooner or later.

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However - most religious teachings are.

How do you work that out?

The purpose of my post was NOT to highlight Judaism is more or less racist than any other organised religion.
It was to highlight, by using a topical example [the topic WAS 'Jews' afterall], that racism can be both positive and negative in its content.

You could find equally racist comments in Islamic teachings, Catholic teachings, probably Scientology text too - I'm not familiar with them, but its an educated guess.

Though religion can certainly manifest racist narratives, I think that's far more about about people tagging racism onto them. A lot of religions tend to aggressively seek converts and hence drawing the line at race is undesirable. As far as I was aware, for Muslims things are defined in terms of the Umma and race is irrelevant as all Muslims are brothers (in theory at least). Anyone can be and should be a Muslim. Though I seem to recall reading about a temporary ban in (I think, not sure) medieval North Africa due to financial fears because non-Muslims had to pay a kind of protection tax.
Christians will happily convert any race or creed - and they have. Hell, I remember reading some quote from a Catholic Bishop (I think) who when asked what it would mean for his religion if extraterrestrials were encountered said he would try to convert them to Catholicism.
Sure you get racist factions, the prime example being America's Christian white nationalists, but neither of the other two biggies would have got any further than the Jews if they hadn't evangelised. You know the score - you can make religion mean whatever you want it to. But I think the bottom line is it's about the deity and who He's really chosen to be at His side. You are not 'chosen' because of your race, you are 'chosen' because of your (alleged) relationship with the Lord. The fact some lunatics think negoes aren't invited to be at God's side or whatever, does not detract from this general dynamic. That's what I think anyway - I'm certainly not a sociologist or theologian.

The original reference to black people was specifically regarding slavery in America. My assumption is that the black people who were enslaved had no responsibility for, nor control over, those actions.

The original reference to the 'perceived misfortune' was generally regarding the issue of Jews throughout European history, regarding them being evicted from multiple countries over a period of centuries. Whilst many of the evictions may have been based on racist/religious grounds, there is anecdotal evicence that some of the evictions were also brought about by certain commercial practices that were met with the ire of the host nation. So sure - the majority was based on racism, however it would appear that some of the 'perceived misfortune' was brought about as a direct result of activities for which a section of the Jewish community was directly responsible.

A specific reference to slavery, which the black people are not responsible for.
A general reference to evictions, which a section of the Jewish community at the time, has to share some of the responsibility, due to their own actions and activities.

Inconsistent assumption?
No.

But I wasn't referring to two specific incidents and I think I was pretty clear about this. You did not specify anything about evictions (even when I was talking about massacres) and your original pitch via your analogy framed the matter rather differently.
And I don't think you can meaningfully isolate either. Slavery did not define race relations with black people and expulsions did not define relations with Jews. They're both single facets of complex narratives and ranges of actions. I know little about this, but I do know there was an array of anti-Jewish narratives, including their killing of Christ and being in league with Satan. When Jews began to achieve emancipation, they then got associated with the spread of liberal ideas which got on the tits of reactionary conservatives who didn't like the way the increasingly liberal wind was blowing - kinda reminiscent of today's right wing Jewish conspiracy theory. I don't know what "anecdotal evidence" you're referring to, but I kinda doubt Jewish "commercial practices" could operate outside what was mandated.
And in fact, by as early as the twelfth century Christians were starting to ignore the prohibition on usury and Jews were being increasingly forced into pawnbroking and small scale money lending - they could not compete because Jews were subject to Jew specific taxes and levies. I guess some of these guys would have been shady dealers...justification for expulsion...?
Indeed, AFAIK Islamic countries displayed a far more progressive attitude towards both Jews and Christians - they just had lower status, but were not regularly persecuted like in Europe which was a more backward place in the medieval era.
But anyway, this a large and complex history set against the backdrop of an aggressive and intolerant Europe that at times expressed a tendency to simply massacre Jews. Certainly the first crusade went on a Jew killin' frenzy with really no better reason than if they were going all the way to the Holy Land to kill Muslims, why should the Christ killers on their doorstep get off scot free?

From the perspective of the Jewish conspiracy narrative, it's useful to cast Jews as the arbiters of their own persecution. This allows the narrative to set the scene for the Jew to be a malign force and that people noticed their evil usurious ways and sought to protect themselves from this alien parasite. Jews are thus liable to be cast out due to their nature and anti-semitism is a historical and natural phenomenon. They bring it on themselves. Also, you can weave in the notion, if only implicitly, that Jews were trying to gain a stranglehold but were prevented - if only that lesson were followed today. You get a few contradictory assertions of Jewish control - such as Jews controlling William the Conqueror - but contradictions are par for the course. I suppose the territory shifts substantially by the time you get to the Holocaust - the Holocaust cannot be cast as a justifiable reaction to anything and utterly contradicts notions of Jews running the world. Hence by this point, Jews either hoaxed the Holocaust or occasionally 'Zionists' engineered it. This has the added bonus of being an exculpatory narrative regarding Nazism, which dovetails with the common (if not exclusive) association of Jew theory with the extreme right. This harking back to the notion of the emancipated Jew as harbinger of despised liberalism. One of these facets being 'degenerate' and corrupting modern music, which dovetails nicely with this thread.

host nation

Interesting choice of words.

mynameis

19-09-2009, 11:53 PM

Ta.

You quoted as a definition;

But it's not about race. I don't know a great deal about Judaism, but I think the notion is a theological one. If there had been no Judaism, the people we call "Jews" would have been fundamentally indistinguishable from other surrounding people in the Middle East. They were they 12 tribes of Israel, not the Jewish race. As has already been pointed out before, there are black Jews, white Jews, in the middle Jews. And you can join them if you so wish. The notion is of a specific set of 'chosen' people. This is basically the same as Islam and Christianity insofar as a specific set of believers are jolly good eggs in the sight of the Lord. Judaism differs though insofar as it has never sought to expand itself. It allows entry into it, but does not evangelise. Jews have instead (until Zionism) been content to await the Messiah in the diaspora, as has been regarded as God's plan. This has meant Jews have kept a unique identity and notable difference while not (until Zionism) seeking to establish themselves in terms of some kind of state. IMO the consequence of this has been the genesis of the Jewish conspiracy. An 'alien' people living often quite separately, with their own funny ways and following a different religion in an aggressively Christian area and era when 'heretics' were routinely killed - you'd be kinda surprised if they didn't get turned on sooner or later.

How do you work that out?

Though religion can certainly manifest racist narratives, I think that's far more about about people tagging racism onto them. A lot of religions tend to aggressively seek converts and hence drawing the line at race is undesirable. As far as I was aware, for Muslims things are defined in terms of the Umma and race is irrelevant as all Muslims are brothers (in theory at least). Anyone can be and should be a Muslim. Though I seem to recall reading about a temporary ban in (I think, not sure) medieval North Africa due to financial fears because non-Muslims had to pay a kind of protection tax.
Christians will happily convert any race or creed - and they have. Hell, I remember reading some quote from a Catholic Bishop (I think) who when asked what it would mean for his religion if extraterrestrials were encountered said he would try to convert them to Catholicism.
Sure you get racist factions, the prime example being America's Christian white nationalists, but neither of the other two biggies would have got any further than the Jews if they hadn't evangelised. You know the score - you can make religion mean whatever you want it to. But I think the bottom line is it's about the deity and who He's really chosen to be at His side. You are not 'chosen' because of your race, you are 'chosen' because of your (alleged) relationship with the Lord. The fact some lunatics think negoes aren't invited to be at God's side or whatever, does not detract from this general dynamic. That's what I think anyway - I'm certainly not a sociologist or theologian.

But I wasn't referring to two specific incidents and I think I was pretty clear about this. You did not specify anything about evictions (even when I was talking about massacres) and your original pitch via your analogy framed the matter rather differently.
And I don't think you can meaningfully isolate either. Slavery did not define race relations with black people and expulsions did not define relations with Jews. They're both single facets of complex narratives and ranges of actions. I know little about this, but I do know there was an array of anti-Jewish narratives, including their killing of Christ and being in league with Satan. When Jews began to achieve emancipation, they then got associated with the spread of liberal ideas which got on the tits of reactionary conservatives who didn't like the way the increasingly liberal wind was blowing - kinda reminiscent of today's right wing Jewish conspiracy theory. I don't know what "anecdotal evidence" you're referring to, but I kinda doubt Jewish "commercial practices" could operate outside what was mandated.
And in fact, by as early as the twelfth century Jews Christians were starting to ignore the prohibition on usury and Jews were being increasingly forced into pawnbroking and small scale money lending - they could not compete because Jews were subject to Jew specific taxes and levies. I guess some of these guys would have been shady dealers...justification for expulsion...?
Indeed, AFAIK Islamic countries displayed a far more progressive attitude towards both Jews and Christians - they just had lower status, but were not regularly persecuted like in Europe which was a more backward place in the medieval era.
But anyway, this a large and complex history set against the backdrop of an aggressive and intolerant Europe that at times expressed a tendency to simply massacre Jews. Certainly the first crusade went on a Jew killin' frenzy with really no better reason than if they were going all the way to the Holy Land to kill Muslims, why should the Christ killers on their doorstep get off scot free?

From the perspective of the Jewish conspiracy narrative, it's useful to cast Jews as the arbiters of their own persecution. This allows the narrative to set the scene for the Jew to be a malign force and that people noticed their evil usurious ways and sought to protect themselves from this alien parasite. Jews are thus liable to be cast out due to their nature and anti-semitism is a historical and natural phenomenon. They bring it on themselves. Also, you can weave in the notion, if only implicitly, that Jews were trying to gain a stranglehold but were prevented - if only that lesson were followed today. You get a few contradictory assertions of Jewish control - such as Jews controlling William the Conqueror - but contradictions are par for the course. I suppose the territory shifts substantially by the time you get to the Holocaust - the Holocaust cannot be cast as a justifiable reaction to anything and utterly contradicts notions of Jews running the world. Hence by this point, Jews either hoaxed the Holocaust or occasionally 'Zionists' engineered it. This has the added bonus of being an exculpatory narrative regarding Nazism, which dovetails with the common (if not exclusive) association of Jew theory with the extreme right. This harking back to the notion of the emancipated Jew as harbinger of despised liberalism. One of these facets being 'degenerate' and corrupting modern music, which dovetails nicely with this thread.

Interesting choice of words.

Spot on!

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2003/jokerclapbq7.gif

yozhik

20-09-2009, 01:21 AM

host nation

Interesting choice of words.

Sure.
Also, chosen specifically, as it is how Judaism teaches Jews to view it.
'They are to assimilate into the host nation', after being evicted from Palestine by God, for crimes against God, they were instructed to assimilate in the host nation.

I didn't choose the word out of a racist mind, if that's what you would like to believe.
It was specifically chosen to reflect their own teachings.

I think that's called 'being respectful'.
:rolleyes:

yozhik

20-09-2009, 01:48 AM

Blah Blah Blah....Your statement put for the claim that the Jewish people are blamed by other people and that they are to blame.
Huh?

mynameis ... you're posting bullshit again.

Anyone with the slightest comprehension of English knows;
1. what I posted
2. what it meant
3. how you are attempting to distort it
4. how your dribble makes no sense and is void of all logic.

That makes no sense.

I stated that if Jews blame the world, they aren't taking responsibility.
That is a true statement.
It's not making Jews a scape-goat.

Is English a second language for you?
That's not an insult; its a genuine question.
It might explain the misinterpretation.

Once again, here is the quote.
ANYONE who blames ANYONE ELSE is not taking responsibility.
To blame is to assign responsibility to someone or something else.
That's basic fucking English.
It's basic logic.
Even a retarded guppy with a learning disability can grasp that.
Why can't you?

This has nothing to do with behavior of the Jewish people i.e. theirs being a deliberate act or display of disrespect by Jewish people.
What?
This doesn't even make sense.
What the hell are you trying to say?

Your disinformation and illogical rants are now incomprehensible.

You have scapegoated the Jewish people
How?
Where?
When?

mynameis ... Show me how I have 'scape-goated' the Jewish people.
By stating that Jews should be responsible for their actions?
How the fuck is that making them scape goats?
Oh yes mynameis ... God forbid anyone who is held accountable for their actions.
May I be struck down for stating that people should take responsibility for their own actions rather than assigning blame elsewhere.

Expecting someone to be held accountable for their own behaviour is NOT making them a scape-goat.

You're just wrong.
Wrong, wrong, wrong ... on so many different levels.

and are affronted by their presence in the world.
More bullshit.
I'm affronted by the presence of Jews in the world?
Is that now your statement?

LMAO ... :D
You're becoming an incredible source of entertainment; with comments like that, there is no way in hell you can be taken seriously.

Illogical ravings of a mad woman ...

Now if you knew English, you would know that what you have typed in that statement above, is exactly the definition described.

Well, I do know English ... and I also know that you're talking shite. [again]

Oh, by the way mynameis ... there is still the small matter of you not substantiating your claims, which you have been asked to do ... so, let me remind you of your outstanding obligations;

More unsubstantiated bullshit.

Show me ONE example of me 'goating on the Jewish people in the context of little things like music'.

Just ONE example.
mynameis ... still waiting for that ONE example.

your comment lacks logic and is racist.
'white America having no room for a voice because of the associated past of whites'
... is a racist comment.

So how can you jump on anything you perceive as being racist re: Jews and yet justify a racist comment against white Americans?

That's illogical and hypocritical.
mynameis ... still waiting for justification of your hypocritical stance on racist comments.

That is a lie.

You have nothing to show on this thread where I have stated that 'overachievement [...] with someone doing their art [...] is considered an affront' to me.
mynameis ... still waiting for the example of where I have stated that overachievement in the arts is an affront to me.

yozhik

20-09-2009, 01:54 AM

now there are some on this forum, who on the face of it, would argue that jew shit doesn't stink.
Similarly, there are those who can see no good in any jewish contribution at any time, throughout history.
Both are racist opinions.

really? Like who? (i mean the former)
jews are just people. That a given individual is a jew is irrelevant. They may be good, they may be bad. And they are in no way a homogenous group.

mynameis

bealert

20-09-2009, 10:26 AM

Every now and then I check in to see if anyone has evidence that counters ANYTHING I have said. Instead I get blamed for bringing it to our attention. Least that's how it appears to me.

I wish the subject matter would be addressed directly.
you dont get blamed for bringing things to our attention you do get blamed when you make something out of nothing especially if that point your trying to make attacks a race /religion and as no basis as part of a argument. you are a racist and i still say you should be banned from this forum your opinions are not only wrong there dangerous because less educated people cannot see whats wrong with your attempts to stir racial tension. you think you are clever to use racism in the disguise of educating some forum members but the very fact you post some of your crap just brings to our attention how racist you are otherwise why would you even bring religion/race in to it. i am not picking on you just bringing the facts to show racists are the scum of society as a purpose to prove a point. you are total proof that a mans
race/religion or no guidance on the sort of person they are because you are the lowest of the low and what race/religion are you.

bealert

20-09-2009, 10:44 AM

That saying something is possible is utterly banal. What's your point?

Well looking up a couple of definitions of "racism":

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=65090&dict=CALD

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism

I think most people would judge racism in terms of having a negative view of other races. Whether you agree with it or not (is it still something you get? I can't say I know), positive discrimination is supposed to remedy the negative societal effects of racism on the basis black people or whoever have not been given a level playing field. It was never about notions of white people being inferior or white people being discriminated against as the assumption was the balance of power was already tipped in favour of white people. You can say it's racist if you like - I'm not arsed - but I myself think the conceptual framework is underpinned by something I would not recognise as "racism" as the term is commonly understood, irrespective of whether it's a good idea.
Quite what this has to do with the discussion I'm not sure.

Why is it racist? As I understand it, the belief centres around the Messiah ultimately turning up and heralding God smiting all their enemies and establishing the perfect kingdom or some shit. Christians are apt to think Jesus will come back, establish God's kingdom on earth, leading the Christians to everlasting life and sending everyone else to hell. Are they really fundamentally that different? Hell, all three of the big monotheisms believe the Old Testament where the Jews are chosen as special by God.
And you can convert to being one of God's chosen people if that's your fancy - so how can that be racist? I'm sure you can apply Judaism in a racist way, but Christian identity white twationalists apply Christianity in a racist way - and that says more about them than Christians par se.
They're God's chosen people to some apocalyptic Christians as well - except in the end they'll have to embrace Christ or be fucked. They need to rebuild the temple to herald some apocalyptic bullshit or other.
Frankly I have no idea how many Jews literally believe the entire narrative - do you? I mean, do you think a Jew like, say, Jon Ronson lies awake at night feeling smug about being one of God's chosen? Are you suggesting your average Jew regards themselves as being in some kind of master race?
I'd say most Jews are just getting on with their lives same as everyone else - what do you think?

Really? Like who? (I mean the former)
Jews are just people. That a given individual is a Jew is irrelevant. They may be good, they may be bad. And they are in no way a homogenous group.

I agree.
I'm simply not tolerant of baseless conjecture coloured spectacles.

You're a funny guy. You seem to teeter on the verge of full-on Jewish conspiracy narratives and then pull yourself back.

All you've done is suggest Jews might have been working to destabilise nations from within for no apparent reason on the basis it's physically possible and other such bollocks. And that's all you've advanced in relation to Jews historically being persecuted and massacred. I don't see you applying the same 'hmmmm maybe' speculation to anyone else. Why is that?
And I've seen fuck all "analysis" happening on your part.

You still haven't explained your inconsistent assumption regarding black people, or this "perceived misfortune" bullshit.
yes but what you got to know is it takes intelligence to realize what you are saying is the truth...need i say more...you are assuming just because someone can argue a point they have intelligence but when argument there putting across as no basis other than personnel views without fact maybe that persons estimated intelligence should be reconsidered.

rodin

20-09-2009, 10:49 AM

rats just lost a big post with lots of personal anecdotes :mad:

ok will re-compose after a capuccino. Just to say let's keep this thread on-topic and calm down the personals. ;)

bealert

20-09-2009, 10:52 AM

rats just one a big post with lots of personal anecdotes :mad:

ok will re-compose after a capuccino. Just to say let's keep this thread on-topic and calm down the personals. ;)
We know what you are...opinion are only based on your comments..if you didn't post racist material you wouldn't be treated like one..
i love to save your post i am sure a accumulation of such scriptures will one day be noticed by a higher authority who is in a position to judge without prejudice.

bluegrazz

20-09-2009, 11:03 AM

bealert

20-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Holy Fuck- I dont come here for a couple days and I return to find this thread exactly in the same spot with the same "your a racist" bullshit going on.

I guess you cant say anything against Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, Hindus, Blah, Blah, Blah- Only White Christian men- Say anything you want about them- Right?

So, the Bohemian Grove- Do you think those 'white men' are the rulers of business, politics, industry, etc.- RACIST.
if you dont like the thread ..go to another i am sure your comments wont me missed to much.
i notice you come from London is there a London in Kentucky? or was you just born there and decided to move because of the racism..lol

by the way love your country been to a few southern states Florida Georgia..south and north Carolina its a beautiful place but very backward in attitudes.

bluegrazz

20-09-2009, 11:12 AM

rodin

20-09-2009, 11:13 AM

We know what you are...opinion are only based on your comments..if you didn't post racist material you wouldn't be treated like one..
i love to save your post i am sure a accumulation of such scriptures will one day be noticed by a higher authority who is in a position to judge without prejudice.

You don't believe in free speech?

I want to respond to an on-topic post, but this merits rebuttal first, even although it is off topic.

First off, my entry though the looking glass was via the crime of 911. That was a monstrous act.

My proof as to who was behind it came in three stages

1 Show it was not Muslim hijackers. I satisfied myself thusly

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1260670&postcount=91

2 Find out who did it. Had to involve those in control of the Towers. This thread ties it all together

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

3 Find out why media and governments are accomplices after the fact

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79023

I also found out that Jews control western governments, just by counting the ones who are not under cover. And music. And art. I read the Protocols of Zion and there was laid out in advance the events of the past century.

My research into this operation is ongoing. Should I take seriously the warnings of this commentator, or is he a plant deliberately overstating the case?

http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/

Like most of us I get information from the internet then test it best I can.

Now if I pursue the investigation into the Jewish element in this Matrix David Icke warns us about, it is only because I am following, and talking about, the trail of evidence.

For doing this some would like to see me arrested. Why?

bealert

20-09-2009, 11:23 AM

Where you from? Dude, I am about seriously fed up with your Politically Correct Bullshit-

I am proud of my State and my Town, I would certainly be willing to bet any amount of money that I am more Educated than you, have a better job, a nicer home and better life.

You got a problem with people from Kentucky? Why dont you come here to Kentucky and do something about about it??? Oh wait, your a P.C. Liberal who can do nothing but talk.
i love you...why are you being so aggressive...chill my friend.
im sorry education is judged by prejudice towards those that are different to us without basis. Maybe your not prejudice maybe im wrong as i don't know you...but if you are then i would almost certainly believe i am more educated. It also depends who as educated you ...i mean some people could be educated by right wing scum with no brains yet other could be educated by the finest colleges and universities the world as to offer. which are you.

bealert

20-09-2009, 11:25 AM

You don't believe in free speech?

I want to respond to an on-topic post, but this merits rebuttal first, even although it is off topic.

First off, my entry though the looking glass was via the crime of 911. That was a monstrous act.

My proof as to who was behind it came in three stages

1 Show it was not Muslim hijackers. I satisfied myself thusly

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1260670&postcount=91

2 Find out who did it. Had to involve those in control of the Towers. This thread ties it all together

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

3 Find out why media and governments are accomplices after the fact

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79023

I also found out that Jews control western governments, just by counting the ones who are not under cover. And music. And art. I read the Protocols of Zion and there was laid out in advance the events of the past century.

My research into this operation is ongoing. Should I take seriously the warnings of this commentator, or is he a plant deliberately overstating the case?

http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/

Like most of us I get information from the internet then test it best I can.

Now if I pursue the investigation into the Jewish element in this Matrix David Icke warns us about, it is only because I am following, and talking about, the trail of evidence.

For doing this some would like to see me arrested. Why?
If you have a tooth ach do you pull out all you teeth or just the ones that are bad?

bluegrazz

20-09-2009, 11:26 AM

i love you...why are you being so aggressive...chill my friend.
im sorry education is judged by prejudice towards those that are different to us without basis. Maybe your not prejudice maybe im wrong as i don't know you...but if you are then i would almost certainly believe i am more educated. It also depends who as educated you ...i mean some people could be educated by right wing scum with no brains yet other could be educated by the finest colleges and universities the world as to offer. which are you.

You ever watch "Peanuts"- The ol Charlie Brown cartoons? You know how when the 'Adults' talk it sounds like "WAW WAW WAW"... Thats all I hear from you- "WAW WAW WAW"

rodin

20-09-2009, 11:34 AM

jews run the music biz

not true ! all the jewish people on this planet do not run the music biz
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could you define run ?

do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that license a piece of music from a musician (which the musician still owns)

or do you mean some people who are jewish write and perform all the songs that we hear ?

or do you mean some people who are jewish have created all the instruments that music is preformed with.

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a company that distributes music from a factory to a shop or from country to country

or do you mean some people who are jewish own recording studios where artists record there songs using various techniques to a standard judged 'professional' and marketable

or do you mean some people who are jewish own shares in a radio staion and people may wish to tune in ?

I was 3/4 of the way down a long and winding post when it disappeared so this time I will post segments and then edit this post.

First off thanks for staying on topic.

Shareholders are mostly institutions and retail and have little control over the operations and direction of the Music Biz.

Jewish artistes are of course over-represented. Lately many of them jar with my tastes and sensibilities. Amy Winehouse for example. Strong voice, but tin pan alley songs and shameful lifestyle. The likes of Bono - I am sure he is in there somewhere with his Old Testament references and the tell-tale 'product placement' of the band's name - U2. Plus he is being groomed as a global spokesman for the thirty or forty something generation. However, artistes can be controlled. Anything that would get in the way of the OWO will never get a deal or promotion.

Charlie Steinberg's company owns the music software I used for much of my time. Music technology like this has transformed pop music and allowed the development of Rap to flourish with recycled beats etc. Other than that I have not paid much attention as to who makes musical instruments. Other than Leo Fender and Les Paul.

See first answer

Phil Spector was a studio owner and producer, a legend http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html

See first answer

You missed out the biggest areas of music biz control - managers, publishers, record companies, TV, MTV, accountants, producers.

Simon Cowell is responsible for the excerable factor.

CEO's, managers, A&R, PR people, producers, acccountants, lawyers. These are the real controllers. Here you will find Jewish dominance. Certain artistes or artistic movements also adopt a leading role. Artiste leaders can be insiders or controlled. Michael Jackson being an example of one who was controlled then murdered. There is a good thread on this on the forum.

The first four posts in this thread cover the bases outlined above.

A friend gave me a copy of 'Machers and Rockers' by a Jewish author. While Cohen romanticises the scene, nevertheless he openly paints a picture of Jewish Mobsters taking on and marketing black music. Usual stories of ripoff, drugs, murder, with plenty of colour. The book is sympathetic, suggestive of a case of 'the end justified the means' - ie the artists may have ended up as drunks, junkies or dead but think of the musical legacy. Well of course the means were criminal and amoral, and the end is not yet in sight, but it lies beyond the brutal rap music of today.

I dealt with Jews in the music biz. Some were, at least in my experience, decent people on the whole. Certain publishers and small labels were quite supportive of our operation. The higher-up you went the nastier it got.

more later

bealert

20-09-2009, 11:34 AM

You ever watch "Peanuts"- The ol Charlie Brown cartoons? You know how when the 'Adults' talk it sounds like "WAW WAW WAW"... Thats all I hear from you- "WAW WAW WAW"
wll maybe when you grow up..you will understand a little more clearley...lol
I didnt realize i was talking to a child please forgive me my manners are atrocious.
i will go easy on you in the future...

bluegrazz

20-09-2009, 11:41 AM

WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW WAW...

-Fixed :)

@Rodin- Sorry bro. I will cease.

You cant reason with this guy. All he says is "RACISM" while Stereotyping people from the South.

I agree with you and see your point (Although I draw a distinction between Jews and Zionist) and I think any free thinking person should be able to argue facts without pulling the 'race' card.

rodin

20-09-2009, 12:00 PM

-Fixed :)

@Rodin- Sorry bro. I will cease.

You cant reason with this guy. All he says is "RACISM" while Stereotyping people from the South.

I agree with you and see your point (Although I draw a distinction between Jews and Zionist) and I think any free thinking person should be able to argue facts without pulling the 'race' card.

I would draw a distinction between those who are complicit in the 6000 year plan http://www.british-israel.us/39.html and those who are not.

Or between those who think gentiles are inferior per se and those who reject such nonsense.

bluegrazz

20-09-2009, 12:05 PM

bealert

20-09-2009, 12:07 PM

-Fixed :)

@Rodin- Sorry bro. I will cease.

You cant reason with this guy. All he says is "RACISM" while Stereotyping people from the South.

I agree with you and see your point (Although I draw a distinction between Jews and Zionist) and I think any free thinking person should be able to argue facts without pulling the 'race' card.
of course your right..as long as your comments state fact and not reasoning based on race or generalization of race..
Come on man ..ive seen Mississippi burning i know what The American south is like...if its on the telly it must be true right..or is generalizing people due to media propaganda wrong.
On a different note.. Kentucky fried chicken ....Lovely but expensive ..couldn't tell him for me..could you ...there's chicken places half the price around here.

bealert

20-09-2009, 12:16 PM

Exactly. Then you and I (and my Jewish best friend of over 20 years) are in complete agreement. My buddy even knows the Holocaust (not to get off subject) was/is a hoax... He was a Jew by birth but never a Zionist.

I am gunna PM you a link to a Video (you may have saw it or it may be posted) where a Jew actually pretty much proves the Holocaust was could not have ever happened... My buddy is the one who showed me that. =P
when people ring my radio statio i alway know when there lying..first they pretend to have a best friend that's Jewish then they continue to slag them off with manipulated lies..not very original im afraid. Are you A member of the KKK or are they further south...please don't tell me they don't exist Ive emailed them less than a year ago.
(KKK
WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE
AND WE ARE NOT AGAINST JEWS BLACK OR ANY OTHER RACE OR INSTITUTION.
WE ARE HERE TO PRESERVE OUR RIGHT AS GOOD HONEST AMERICANS AND TO
MAKE SURE OUR GREAT WAY OF LIFE CONTINUES TO BE SO AND IS NOT
INFLUENCED BY OUTSIDERS THAT MAY NOT HAVE OUR GREAT COUNTRY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.)

come on surely that isn't true
i mean Enoch Powell said In hes rivers of blood speech..1968
if we continue to allow immigrants in to Britain at the current rate
our national health, housing/ benefit system will deteriorate until virtual collapse and crime will increase
to unseen highs..

what a idiot what did he know...lol

shit.......
Maybe they were right! after all

dogsmilk

20-09-2009, 12:47 PM

I was 3/4 of the way down a long and winding post when it disappeared so this time I will post segments and then edit this post.

First off thanks for staying on topic.

Shareholders are mostly institutions and retail and have little control over the operations and direction of the Music Biz.

Jewish artistes are of course over-represented. Lately many of them jar with my tastes and sensibilities. Amy Winehouse for example. Strong voice, but tin pan alley songs and shameful lifestyle. The likes of Bono - I am sure he is in there somewhere with his Old Testament references and the tell-tale 'product placement' of the band's name - U2. Plus he is being groomed as a global spokesman for the thirty or forty something generation. However, artistes can be controlled. Anything that would get in the way of the OWO will never get a deal or promotion.

Charlie Steinberg's company owns the music software I used for much of my time. Music technology like this has transformed pop music and allowed the development of Rap to flourish with recycled beats etc. Other than that I have not paid much attention as to who makes musical instruments. Other than Leo Fender and Les Paul.

See first answer

Phil Spector was a studio owner and producer, a legend http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html

See first answer

You missed out the biggest areas of music biz control - managers, publishers, record companies, TV, MTV, accountants, producers.

Simon Cowell is responsible for the excerable factor.

CEO's, managers, A&R, PR people, producers, acccountants, lawyers. These are the real controllers. Here you will find Jewish dominance. Certain artistes or artistic movements also adopt a leading role. Artiste leaders can be insiders or controlled. Michael Jackson being an example of one who was controlled then murdered. There is a good thread on this on the forum.

The first four posts in this thread cover the bases outlined above.

A friend gave me a copy of 'Machers and Rockers' by a Jewish author. While Cohen romanticises the scene, nevertheless he openly paints a picture of Jewish Mobsters taking on and marketing black music. Usual stories of ripoff, drugs, murder, with plenty of colour. The book is sympathetic, suggestive of a case of 'the end justified the means' - ie the artists may have ended up as drunks, junkies or dead but think of the musical legacy. Well of course the means were criminal and amoral, and the end is not yet in sight, but it lies beyond the brutal rap music of today.

I dealt with Jews in the music biz. Some were, at least in my experience, decent people on the whole. Certain publishers and small labels were quite supportive of our operation. The higher-up you went the nastier it got.

more later

That's it? That's your Jews run the music business? How pitiful.

By the way, Simon Cowell's paternal grandparents are Jewish. Could you explain how that makes him 'a Jew'?

Amy Winehouse for example. Strong voice, but tin pan alley songs and shameful lifestyle.

Oh noes! Pop star takes drugs! I've never heard the like! Whatever next?????

Bono is controlled by teh jooos! LOL, you really are a 'character'.

Are you just annoyed at Dissential failing? Really, the production is very good, but the tunes are awful. No balls.

Charlie Steinberg's company owns the music software I used for much of my time. Music technology like this has transformed pop music and allowed the development of Rap to flourish with recycled beats etc. Other than that I have not paid much attention as to who makes musical instruments. Other than Leo Fender and Les Paul.

Hmmmm. I think you should look closely at this - it might be the smoking gun you're looking for. Jews probably make sure musical instruments only play Jewish notes that have mind control powers.