Jay Z admits to being a mason

[whatistruth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVA-xTBeHyM


(Jay-Z)
We are,
Yeah I said it we are,
You can call me Ceasar,
In a dark ceasar,
Please follow the leader,
So Eric B we are,
Microphone fiend, this the return of The God,
Peace God,
Ah ah,
It aint no nobody fresher,
Im in mason, ah, martin, margella,
On the table screaming fuck the other side they jealous,
We got a banquet full of broads,
They got a table full of fella's,
Yeaaaahh, and they aint spending no cake,
They should throw they hand in cos they aint got no spades,
Yeah, my whole team got dough,
So my banquet is looking like millionaires row.
Yeaaaaah.

[jm22]

yeah hes a 3rd degree mason it appears.

i dont believe he is a 33rd degree mason like some people believe.

[truthinlove]

hmm...who's "martin" and "margella"? freemasons?

[truthinlove]

Mason Martin Margiela seems to be another clothing line. sounds like he was having a play on words and definitely used mason in more than one way;)

[sade]

He certainly doesn't have talent when it comes to lyrics,
then again, I wasn't expecting him much from him anyway.

"Im in mason" is not the same as "Im a freemason", but close.
I hope someone just asks him about this on tv or something.

And the pyramid sign he does is of his "rockafella" clothing line.

[brucel]

He certainly doesn't have talent when it comes to lyrics,
then again, I wasn't expecting him much from him anyway.

"Im in mason" is not the same as "Im a freemason", but close.
I hope someone just asks him about this on tv or something.

And the pyramid sign he does is of his "rockafella" clothing line.

you kiddin' right ?? true he is ptb/illiminati tool (agent)
but he is very good considered one of the best, if not
the best that's out there..

[lardarz]

true he is ptb/illiminati tool
I just think he's a tool

[brucel]

:D, lol.

[truthinlove]

you kiddin' right ?? true he is ptb/illiminati tool (agent)
but he is very good considered one of the best, if not
the best that's out there..

this song ("run this town") isn't a very good example of how good jay is, as a rapper. but for reals for reals, he's nice!

not only does he posses a smooth flow with some real clever lyrics, he doesn't write anything down. it all comes from his noggin - that's pretty sick! it's uncanny, actually. granted, his content isn't usually enlightening and he's very much puppet.

[mountain]

Well I believe it and he's handling Beyonce... poor girl has cadtte prod marks, just look at her videos and you'll see them :(

[oilydoyley]

all top artists are mind controlled and used to extract spiritual energy from their fans for the creators gain.

[truthinlove]

all top artists are mind controlled and used to extract spiritual energy from their fans for the creators gain.

fair enough. thread over.

[killuminati18]

2pac said he was a pussy bitch...no wonder why.

[mrindigo]

2pac said he was a pussy bitch...no wonder why.

Yup, prodigy has said similar things about him. Jay-z has gone as far as to make things up about him because he's outwardly against the Illuminati like 2pac was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzioyJDDEA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdQmkUsLPI

[Ian2day]

This was an exercise in me showing that he cant write. I wrote some wack ass shit and they still used it. lmao

[edelweiss pirate]

This was an exercise in me showing that he cant write. I wrote some wack ass shit and they still used it. lmao

Did you write it down?

Why not scan it and show us..... Then we'll champion your cause.

Otherwise it's just internet ravings...

[fallensoul]

You guys have wild imaginations :)

[druggalo]

jizzah iz bytch son, whack azz mainestreeme sellout
air body that knowz real hip hop gotz no respect 4 thiz fake puppet

beyonce iz just az horrible
their are soo many mindlesss soulz thayt will buy whuteva ther told and belive whuteva told. brainwashin musick 4 tha sheeple

-in a cycle of brainwashing entertainment iz tha detergent

[druggalo]

word oily u iz ryght onn

[mrmoney]

He says "I'm IN mason", not, "I'm A mason"

Do you people realise that there are hundreds of thousands of freemasons over the world? Freemasonry is not a secret society, you fools. I know a guy who's a mason.

[edelweiss pirate]

You guys have wild imaginations :)

Cue music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3nV6WqA4Y0

[supertzar]

Jay Z sucks. I've never heard anything by him that I thought was good and I can't believe he is popular at all. Give me some old school hip hop from the 80's any time.

[ectocooler hic]

I went to elementary school for a while at "William Mason Elementary School"...coincidence? I think I'm a shill, I better not mention it in one of my songs or play with imagery or symbolism.

[bobbydiva]

I went to elementary school for a while at "William Mason Elementary School"...coincidence? I think I'm a shill, I better not mention it in one of my songs or play with imagery or symbolism.

The guy friggin pops the hand sign, has it all over his shirts and even calls his label Roc-A-Fella.

He's also in to the whole fake charity philanthropic stuff.

He's a Sell-out at the very least.

[dolores1]

yeah hes a 3rd degree mason it appears.

i dont believe he is a 33rd degree mason like some people believe.

He doesnt know he is being used. Human sacrifice do you think? Or contacts with innocent victims?

He has little value for women or children.

He seems to have the IQ of a duck. OK he can rap but so can my dog, but only when she's hungry. :rolleyes:

[mrindigo]

The guy friggin pops the hand sign, has it all over his shirts and even calls his label Roc-A-Fella.

He's also in to the whole fake charity philanthropic stuff.

He's a Sell-out at the very least.

True, he doesn't even try and hide it. Look at the guy's freakin' myspace page.

http://www.myspace.com/jayz

Even more creepy is the symbol used for his record label and clothing line. Notice any similarities here?

http://i40.tinypic.com/14l213d.png

http://www.adobenerds.com/tutimages/biohazard5xd.gif

It's a bio-hazard symbol with a diamond shape traced around it. Can't get any more obvious than that.

[clozaril]

yep he's in maison Martin Margiela

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Margiela

http://ilovefreshmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/maison-martin-margiela-high-top-sneaker.jpg

http://www.farfetch.com/item10018120.aspx

http://www.worshipworthy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/theman.jpg

[ectocooler hic]

The guy friggin pops the hand sign, has it all over his shirts and even calls his label Roc-A-Fella.

He's also in to the whole fake charity philanthropic stuff.

He's a Sell-out at the very least.

Maybe he is, but satirically, I'm showing how out of hand people get with this. It doesn't stop, then someone who talks about sick shit in their songs and is "controversial" or plays around with devil role-playing in their songs and has no clue nor do they believe that the NWO is going on..gets told to make some gesture or sit a certain way during a photoshoot...the people setting it up put some "elitist-esque" back drop/furniture/graphics in the background who isn't as flamboyant as Jay-z may be with this stuff and people still say SEE! HE'S IN ON IT TOO!!! HE'S EVIL! like with the Eminem shit and his index fingers making a triangle. Sometimes...there are people in our "movement" that A) make us look bad and B) have no discernment or critical thinking abilities

[xxxx]

Sometimes...there are people in our "movement" that A) make us look bad and B) have no discernment or critical thinking abilities

i don't think they are in our movement at all. agent provacateurs. y'know? by being the crazy ones with the big gobs they make the general public tar us all with the same brush.

[inverselogic]

Okay this is weird. The positive comments are getting a ridiculous number of up votes, and the negative comments have been removed.

I wrote something about jayz being a mason and gave some evidence. Now this is the top comment.


runthistown11 (2 weeks ago) +6257

Best Song Ever


Apparently this was the latest comment, 2 weeks ago. When I wrote mine yesterday.

[mrindigo]

Maybe he is, but satirically, I'm showing how out of hand people get with this. It doesn't stop, then someone who talks about sick shit in their songs and is "controversial" or plays around with devil role-playing in their songs and has no clue nor do they believe that the NWO is going on..gets told to make some gesture or sit a certain way during a photoshoot...the people setting it up put some "elitist-esque" back drop/furniture/graphics in the background who isn't as flamboyant as Jay-z may be with this stuff and people still say SEE! HE'S IN ON IT TOO!!! HE'S EVIL! like with the Eminem shit and his index fingers making a triangle. Sometimes...there are people in our "movement" that A) make us look bad and B) have no discernment or critical thinking abilities

So in other words you're saying that what's right in front of your face is just for show? You've been presented with evidence you can see, hell everyone can see it, and yet you still deny it. Okay, cool if that's what you think this is about.

Who is this, "US" you're referencing? Who elected you representative of what the people on these forums (and elsewhere) think? You represent yourself, and do not express the words of everyone. I see no consensus behind your statement. If you want to express your opinion on it, that's fine. It's nice to have other opinions and perspectives, but don't cross the line and state that your personal views are the views of everyone. There's enough of that shit in the mainstream media, we don't need it here too. We all have minds of our own, and can decide things for ourselves, thanks.

If you want to believe the symbolism and lyrics dedicated to the Rockefellers and Illuminati it's just there for show, even though most of his audience has no idea what any of that is, or who the Rockefellers are, have at it. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.

[adbasque]

yeah hes a 3rd degree mason it appears.

i dont believe he is a 33rd degree mason like some people believe.

They are 3rd degree they allow them in at that level so they can use them, like Madonna, very few are on the 33rd degree, they don't even meet them.

These people are used as their ears and eyes and also to deliver subliminal messages and anything they want to promote and induce into society ;)

[bobbydiva]

Maybe he is, but satirically, I'm showing how out of hand people get with this. It doesn't stop, then someone who talks about sick shit in their songs and is "controversial" or plays around with devil role-playing in their songs and has no clue nor do they believe that the NWO is going on..gets told to make some gesture or sit a certain way during a photoshoot...the people setting it up put some "elitist-esque" back drop/furniture/graphics in the background who isn't as flamboyant as Jay-z may be with this stuff and people still say SEE! HE'S IN ON IT TOO!!! HE'S EVIL! like with the Eminem shit and his index fingers making a triangle. Sometimes...there are people in our "movement" that A) make us look bad and B) have no discernment or critical thinking abilities

All good points and I agree that most stars are probably oblivious, but when you reach the fame and fortune of Jay Z and start giving money to elite charities, tied to the UN, Bill Gates etc one can look back at these signs and it starts to make sense.

At the very least he is being used and is completely clueless, but ignorance is no excuse. The guy is nearly 40 years old, he can't figure some of this stuff out?

[adbasque]

All good points and I agree that most stars are probably oblivious, but when you reach the fame and fortune of Jay Z and start giving money to elite charities, tied to the UN, Bill Gates etc one can look back at these signs and it starts to make sense.

At the very least he is being used and is completely clueless, but ignorance is no excuse. The guy is nearly 40 years old, he can't figure some of this stuff out?

Absolutely, ignorance is not an excuse especially these days.

There is one thing to consider though, when you join the 3rd degree mason, you swear an oath and if you do reveal anything to the outside world, you're dead.

they employ all sorts of intimidations, I believe it's the same with Scientology, and I believe they are linked.

They hook people up and then they keep all sorts of blackmails, they use intimidation and so on..

If for instance you say to them I don't care what happens to me they will threaten your relatives and your entire family.

It's not easy to quit once you're in you've had it.
It would take real coourage and determination to come out of it and, they use programming techniques to keep them in the dark.

But for the 3rd degree masons, I am sure they are clueless about what is really going on, too busy pushing their agendas forward without even realising they are doing it.

As you said ignorance is no excuse

[kurupted_flesh]

And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them
So I got rich and gave back to me, that's the win/win

Jay Z

[meksar]

Jay Z a 3rd degree mason?, this is just a cover story because everyone knows he is satanic and shares Beyonce with rich white men. He is higher in the ranks than the public story would have you believe, he has produced a blood sacrifice through his beloved nephew who died in the same car he bought him. He has a lot of power and influence in the Hip Hop world and some even say he has Rockefeller blood in him.

http://hiphopcartel.net/index.php?showtopic=10148

[adbasque]

Jay Z a 3rd degree mason?, this is just a cover story because everyone knows he is satanic and shares Beyonce with rich white men. He is higher in the ranks than the public story would have you believe, he has produced a blood sacrifice through his beloved nephew who died in the same car he bought him. He has a lot of power and influence in the Hip Hop world and some even say he has Rockefeller blood in him.

http://hiphopcartel.net/index.php?showtopic=10148

It's possible, I only assumed he maybe like the others a 3rd degree, but I knew he has performed Satanist rituals before, and I know that Beyonce is a Bisexual who has slept with men and women, I know that had orgies too.

But as you said it won't surprise me that he is higher in the ranks.

Do you think he sacrificed his own nephew? I am not so sure about this.

Anyway they can all go to hell, I am not interested in their pathetic lives, as far as I am concerned these people have joind the dark side of the force.

Willingly or otherwise it's the same thing.

With his stupid "so called music" he's destroying million young lives to say the least.

here is a french article about rap music what it does to young people
See what you make out of it

The rap music reduced brain capacity



According to a recent study of the neurological institute of Neuchatel, rap tends to reduce intellectual capacity of people who listen to it. Dr. Dardon studied the impact of music listening too long and so effected by type of music. He worked on individuals older than 70 years, more sensitive to the destruction of neurons.

1004 Neuchâtel volunteers were divided into 4 groups of intensive listening jazz, classical, pop and French rap. Each group was kept in spacious dorms and comfortable in the civil protection, but which were played without interruption, the music associated with their test group. No drug has been administered to subjects.

After 96 hours, Dr. Dardon was forced to suspend emergency experience group "rap". Of the 251 individuals, we note in the space of 4 days, 29 ruptured aneurysm, 7 seizures, and the emergence among 102 participants of symptoms related to Alzheimer's disease

A test conducted a week after the experiment showed that on average people had lost nearly 35% of their intellectual capacities. Dr. Dardon nevertheless wished to reassure the community of musicians rap: "Do not dramatize it needs to be cautious and careful not to abuse the good things. For example, you can vary your disks with different styles, this reduce the risk of aneurysm rupture. "

French Version Of the Article Here (http://scandale.bleublog.lematin.ch/archive/2008/09/08/le-rap-reduit-les-capacites-cerebrales.html)

Make what you want out of it

[bobbydiva]

Jay Z a 3rd degree mason?, this is just a cover story because everyone knows he is satanic and shares Beyonce with rich white men. He is higher in the ranks than the public story would have you believe, he has produced a blood sacrifice through his beloved nephew who died in the same car he bought him. He has a lot of power and influence in the Hip Hop world and some even say he has Rockefeller blood in him.

http://hiphopcartel.net/index.php?showtopic=10148

This kind of stuff is fascinating and partially documented throughout history, but it's still a wild claim. Stuff we've talked about can't be denied, but do you have any concrete proof of this?

[kurupted_flesh]

^ Depends entirely on the type of rap they were listening to - studies such as this are notoriously biased.

Try listening to some Canibus, K-Rino, Gift of Gab or Talib Kweli, to name but four.

Particularly the first 2 - I dare you to name me any artist/s in any genre with the potential to increase the intellectual capacity of listeners more than Canibus or K-Rino.

[bobbydiva]

^ Depends entirely on the type of rap they were listening to - studies such as this are notoriously biased.

Try listening to some Canibus, K-Rino, Gift of Gab or Talib Kweli, to name but four.

Particularly the first 2 - I dare you to name me any artist/s in any genre with the potential to increase the intellectual capacity of listeners more than Canibus or K-Rino.

I agree with you there. Some rap is deep, and if anything heightens your perception. And actually rapping yourself takes a lot of skill.

However some mainstream "soulder boy blah blah ohhhhhhhh" shit most definitely vegetates you lol

[meksar]

This kind of stuff is fascinating and partially documented throughout history, but it's still a wild claim. Stuff we've talked about can't be denied, but do you have any concrete proof of this?

Look at how he snitched on a possible non Illuminati record label, he has got Dame Dash(Aaliyah was his sacrifice) back now bowing down to him. I would say that Hollywood is used to glorify Satan(Reptilian) and the devil demands sacrifices all the time. He is obviously is not the only one, many are mislead by satanic forces and its something that is a part of occult traditions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJUquCDRryA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2Q1ahc0C8&feature=related

[kurupted_flesh]

I agree with you there. Some rap is deep, and if anything heightens your perception. And actually rapping yourself takes a lot of skill.

Particularly freestyle - which I find to be the ultimate barometer of how subconsciously in-tune with the infinite, or "dope", you are at any one time. And a perfect merging of the left/right brains.

I spit rhymes to myself in times of peril to get my brain working to its full effect. i.e - When I've just been to some murky, shit-hole, mind-corrupting dimension in the lower fourth, and I quickly need snapping back (to a higher vibration of thought).

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=algsmgkeMJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrzcCgcY64c&feature=related

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40128000/jpg/_40128421_princepa_203.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3693965.stm

[adbasque]

^ Depends entirely on the type of rap they were listening to - studies such as this are notoriously biased.

Try listening to some Canibus, K-Rino, Gift of Gab or Talib Kweli, to name but four.

Particularly the first 2 - I dare you to name me any artist/s in any genre with the potential to increase the intellectual capacity of listeners more than Canibus or K-Rino.

I am sorry but personally as a musician I cannot stand rap, I wouldn't call it music by a long shot, I know people like it, but not for me.

I mean Idon't care how intelligent it may appear, I'd rather listen to a guy with a piece of paper reciting poetry or even singing it in acapella style, I simply cannot stand rap, hip hop all of that sh**


To me they are not real musicians, a real musician will spend nights and days composing, writing his lyrics, arranging, rehearsing etc.. it takes months and years to make an album, that's what I call a real artist and musician.

I know people will argue about taste well it is certainly isn't mine.
The test was carried out not just about the lyrics but the so called music itself.

:)

[armoured_amazon]

Look at how he snitched on a possible non Illuminati record label, he has got Dame Dash(Aaliyah was his sacrifice) back now bowing down to him. I would say that Hollywood is used to glorify Satan(Reptilian) and the devil demands sacrifices all the time. He is obviously is not the only one, many are mislead by satanic forces and its something that is a part of occult traditions.

Agreed. :mad:

[kurupted_flesh]

To me they are not real musicians, a real musician will spend nights and days composing, writing his lyrics, arranging, rehearsing etc.. it takes months and years to make an album, that's what I call a real artist and musician.


Clearly you know fuck all about real rap music so you're not really in a position to judge the whole genre - but each to their own.

Groups of middle aged white men with beards groaning on about god-knows-what in an entirely unlistenable manner doesn't really do it for me either TBH - but I like a couple of rock songs, just as I like at least a few songs from virtually every "genre" and age.

But that's just me.

BTW, if you do find any artists with the potential to increase the "intellectual capacity" of listeners more than rappers such as Canibus or K-Rino make sure you give me a shout - not that I really give a fuck, but you posted the article in the first place. Something makes me think I'll be waiting a long time though. :rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Clearly you know fuck all about real rap music so you're not really in a position to judge the whole genre - but each to their own.

Why the use of the language?
I know enough about rap to decide that it's *rap
I know about music more then you'll ever even imagine :)
All I said I can't stand that noise people call music.
RAP is not a music, somebody with a bunch of half written lyrics that usually don't mean a thing, making a monkey of themselves distracting the masses and youngsters like you.

I can see that you're a 20 year old, I don't really blame you, it also shows how much intelligence you're collecting from listening to hip hop and rap that is really *rap.


Groups of middle aged white men with beards groaning on about god-knows-what in an entirely unlistenable manner doesn't really do it for me either TBH - but I like a couple of rock songs, just as I like at least a few songs from virtually every "genre" and age. But that's just me.

A middle aged men has another 20 years experience than you :)
Always remember that.

I used to be very selective to what I listen to and from all genres too, I used to write my own music, lyrics, composing, arrangements. etc.. but I only did it for myself and friends.
I am not interested in *rap and Hip hop



BTW, if you do find any artists with the potential to increase the "intellectual capacity" of listeners more than rappers such as Canibus or K-Rino make sure you give me a shout - not that I really give a fuck, but you posted the article in the first place. Something makes me think I'll be waiting a long time though. :rolleyes:

I can give you hundreds of real artists who can increase your intellectual capacities.

But at the moment I see that you have the rap which will increase your IC.
The names you have given me here are simply people you like, someone else can give other names.
I am not interested at all, RAP for me is *rap as simple as this.

Have a good time, try not to use too much of the F word :)
Take care ;)

[kurupted_flesh]

i know about music more then you'll ever even imagine

Based on what? Very assumptive, no? Condescending too.

rap is not a music, somebody with a bunch of half written lyrics that usually don't mean a thing, making a monkey of themselves distracting the masses and youngsters like you.

I can give you hundreds of songs where that clearly isn't the case - but no doubt you won't bother listening to them and continue with your baseless statements.

i can see that you're a 20 year old.

...And I can see that you're one sad dude.

i can give you hundreds of real artists who can increase your intellectual capacities.

More than the artists I have named? I sincerely doubt it. Though, by all means, go ahead!


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[adbasque]

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I am not at all sad :)


Based on what? Very assumptive, no? Condescending too.


Yes it's an assumption, I believe I have more experience than you in this field, I have done it all my life and I am still doing it, and I am twice your age.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Maybe in another domain, but not in music, I was a musician since I was 4 years old.

I wrote my first song when I was 9

This is not a show off at all, I am only saying it because it was brought up in the discussion, I never talk about my musical background.
I believe this the very first time I mentioned unless I am mistaken.



I can give you hundreds of songs where that clearly isn't the case - but no doubt you won't bother listening to them and continue with your baseless statements.


Which baseless statement, to me Rap is *rap simple, even if the lyrics mean something, I would not call them musicians, to me they are lyricist with a horrible noise and I can't stand rap.

I am not saying because I want to annoy you, but I truly cannot listen to it.

For it has to have all of the following.

Nice melody
Nice arrangements
Nice vocals (Harmonies)
Nice lyrics
Nice and deep research within the music core.

I don't like all Rock
I don't like all Jazz (Themes)
I don't like all Swing/Soul/Pop/Funk etc...

I pick good stuff from every genre, but rap, I cannot listen to it, I don't care who it is.

It actually gets on my nerves and I must admit sometimes I hear good lyrics, as you call them intelligent lyrics, I sigh and say what a shame.

Because those lyrics could be put in a real good song.

All I have to say to you, if you like it and it brings you any joy go ahead mate and listen to it.
But it really annoy me :)

take care :)

[kurupted_flesh]

I am not at all sad :)



Yes it's an assumption, I believe I have more experience than you in this field, I have done it all my life and I am still doing it, and I am twice your age.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Maybe in another domain, but not in music, I was a musician since I was 4 years old.

I wrote my first song when I was 9

This is not a show off at all, I am only saying it because it was brought up in the discussion, I never talk about my musical background.
I believe this the very first time I mentioned unless I am mistaken.




Which baseless statement, to me Rap is *rap simple, even if the lyrics mean something, I would not call them musicians, to me they are lyricist with a horrible noise and I can't stand rap.

I am not saying because I want to annoy you, but I truly cannot listen to it.

For it has to have all of the following.

Nice melody
Nice arrangements
Nice vocals (Harmonies)
Nice lyrics
Nice and deep research within the music core.

I don't like all Rock
I don't like all Jazz (Themes)
I don't like all Swing/Soul/Pop/Funk etc...

I pick good stuff from every genre, but rap, I cannot listen to it, I don't care who it is.

It actually gets on my nerves and I must admit sometimes I hear good lyrics, as you call them intelligent lyrics, I sigh and say what a shame.

Because those lyrics could be put in a real good song.

All I have to say to you, if you like it and it brings you any joy go ahead mate and listen to it.
But it really annoy me :)

take care :)

All that - yet you still can't name one artist with the "potential increase your intellectual capacities" more than some of the rappers I've named, meaning you can't actually back up the inital post you made with the nonsensical "experiment".

I'll let whitey say it best;

http://yaflamingalah.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/yawn.jpg

[adbasque]

All that - yet you still can't name one artist with the "potential increase your intellectual capacities" more than some of the rappers I've named, meaning you can't actually back up the inital post you made with the nonsensical "experiment".

I'll let whitey say it best;

http://yaflamingalah.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/yawn.jpg

I can't name some? lol

On which front musical or Lyrics?

Try the following

Pink Floyd
Paul Simon
Dire Straight
TOTO
Eagles
The list is endless

But just to give you an idea of real artists, lyrics, music, harmonies, arrangements, melodies, creation and genius beat that perry with your Rap ;)

I have no interest in continuing this debate as I said before, it's a matter of taste, I don't care who the rapper is but it's not for me, there's no music init.

I doubt they can even play an instrument, the guys I have mentioned can play more than one instrument and, they write compose etc..

Show me what does a rapper do to write his "song" if we can call it a song?

[peejay]

I can't name some? lol

On which front musical or Lyrics?

Try the following

Pink Floyd
Paul Simon
Dire Straight
TOTO
Eagles
The list is endless

But just to give you an idea of real artists, lyrics, music, harmonies, arrangements, melodies, creation and genius beat that perry with your Rap ;)

I have no interest in continuing this debate as I said before, it's a matter of taste, I don't care who the rapper is but it's not for me, there's no music init.

I doubt they can even play an instrument, the guys I have mentioned can play more than one instrument and, they write compose etc..

Show me what does a rapper do to write his "song" if we can call it a song?

Dont forget tool ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

King Crimson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bVKH28LhRk

Porcupine tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efsm6aJPybg



I wouldnt say im a massive fan but i do like hip hop/rap, just not any mainstream bullshit such as jay z,50 cent,kayne west,lil wanye etc

Artists such as immortal technique are pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo

or even some public enemy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

[kurupted_flesh]

I doubt they can even play an instrument

Ever heard of The Roots? Andre 3000? The Beastie Boys? Wouldn't make sweeping statements like that - there are always exceptions.


I can't name some? lol

On which front musical or Lyrics?

Try the following

Pink Floyd
Paul Simon
Dire Straight
TOTO
Eagles
The list is endless

But just to give you an idea of real artists, lyrics, music, harmonies, arrangements, melodies, creation and genius beat that perry with your Rap ;)

I have no interest in continuing this debate as I said before, it's a matter of taste, I don't care who the rapper is but it's not for me, there's no music init.

Show me what does a rapper do to write his "song" if we can call it a song?

The initial argument you made was regarding the ability to "increase the intellectual capacities of listeners".

Show me some songs from any of those artists that could do that more than these, not to mention enlighten and teach;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GVge8GUnAE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIW1VgWp2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KpGTOIGRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKUrQMYMv04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdnDYaU8-qE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYAUnYvsuyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWMemN1gT0g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kylhotL25qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwaKhtvUmT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foyE-hPOaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6itMg9nGg


All very different - but you won't find many more intellectually stimulating songs in any genre or form. Won't bother waiting for a decent reply though - I'd stand a better chance waiting for Bin Laden to be found.

Good day!

[kurupted_flesh]

Dont forget tool ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

King Crimson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bVKH28LhRk

Porcupine tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efsm6aJPybg



All of those absolutely suck compared to the songs I've posted, with regards to conveying a message, intelligent lyrics, or anything really. Just horrible!

[peejay]

All of those absolutely suck compared to the songs I've posted, with regards to conveying a message, intelligent lyrics, or anything really. Just horrible!

Its understandable to not like the songs (because everyone's taste in music is different) but to say that the songs aren't conveying a message,don't have intelligent lyrics or any meaning is completely ridiculous.

King crimson epitaph

The wall on which the prophets wrote
Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
As silence drowns the screams.

Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;
Knowledge is a deadly friend
When no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools.

Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
And laugh.
But I fear tomorrow Ill be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow Ill be crying.

[moon monkey]

Jay Zzzzzzz is a vile individual. He and his rancid booty shaking whore of Babylon Mrs are poison.

How many stupid kids want to be just like these soulless materialistic shells?

Too many !

What is it that they represent? Greed, image, material lust, mindless aggression.

Utter filth.

[adbasque]

Jay Zzzzzzz is a vile individual. He and his rancid booty shaking whore of Babylon Mrs are poison.

How many stupid kids want to be just like these soulless materialistic shells?

Too many !

What is it that they represent? Greed, image, material lust, mindless aggression.

Utter filth.

Absolutely right, they are just filth, and I am not sure that they are aware of what they're doing.

But they are all whores of Babylon.

[bobbydiva]

Jay Z is being pushed on the BBC and has Obama on speed dial. Nuff said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/puffbox/tagpuff/8265613.stm?ls

He's definitely rubbing elite shoulders.

However he did mention the Rockefeller drug laws, and something that caught my ear near the end of the video was him saying "911 is a joke" in reference to the emergency number of cause, but nonetheless 911 is a joke lol.

[synergy777]

Jay-Z: A Master Of Occult Wisdom?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112998783

At this point, the only pop-cultural event that could possibly upstage Jay-Z's new album, The Blueprint III, is Dan Brown's new book, The Lost Symbol.

But if Brown thinks he has the market cornered on Freemasonry and the occult, he had better watch his back. Mitch Horowitz, author of American Occult says that Jay-Z has a keen grasp of certain esoterica, especially in the music video for his new single, "Run This Town."

In an interview with Guy Raz, Horowitz pointed to Jay-Z's use of the phrase "Peace God" as an allusion to the Five Percenters. Also known as the Nation of Gods and Earths, they teach that the original black man is God — and that all men are potentially God. "Peace God" is a typical Five Percenter greeting.

"A phrase like 'Peace God' does not find its way into someone's vernacular by accident," Horowitz says. "He's making a very definite statement."

Of course, Five Percent Nation teachings have had a deep impact on hip-hop for many years. Though not a Five Percenter himself, Jay-Z was born and bred in New York, the birthplace of the movement. So it's common to find such references in rap.

But Jay-Z's connection to the occult may extend a bit further. In the making-of video for "Run This Town," he's pictured wearing a sweatshirt with the phrase "do what thou wilt" printed across the chest.

"Yes, that has very deep roots in modern occult culture," Horowitz says. "The full expression is 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.' That was one of the key maxims of the British occultist Aleister Crowley. So when Jay-Z appears in a hoodie with that phrase on it in public, that's exactly what he's referencing."

Jay-Z's Rocawear clothing line also often draws upon masonic symbols: pentagrams, obelisks, pyramids, the all-seeing eye. Of course, that pales in comparison to the near-obsession with the occult of someone like, say, Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page.

"I would say that a figure like Jay-Z is probably borrowing some of this material," Horowitz says. "But Jimmy Page was imbibing it even more deeply."

Horowitz says he takes a positive view of freemasonry and occultists — many of the country's founding fathers were masons, he says. He does stop short of calling Jay-Z an actual member of a secret society.

"I think he's a very shrewd man," Horowitz says. "I think he's a keen observer of everything going on around him. He's a master at using subversive imagery. You don't find your way to Five Percenter material unless you are very aware of what's going on around you."

more info:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948

Jay-Z’s “Run This Town” and the Occult Connections

Jay-Z’s latest video called “Run This Town” (featuring Rihanna and Kanye West) contains occult symbolism relating to secret societies. It has been long rumored that Jay-Z is part of some sort of occult order (probably Freemasonry) due to the hints slipped in his songs and his imagery. ”Run This Town” certainly adds fuel to the fire. We’ll look at the symbolism in this song and in his clothing line, Rocawear.

[melaniesings28]

He certainly doesn't have talent when it comes to lyrics,
then again, I wasn't expecting him much from him anyway.

"Im in mason" is not the same as "Im a freemason", but close.
I hope someone just asks him about this on tv or something.

And the pyramid sign he does is of his "rockafella" clothing line.
The pyramid actually represents the Illuminati. If u Google Illuminati one of the pictures that will pop up is a pyramid showin all the levels of the Illuminati. And "Rockafella" is derived from Rockafeller as most folks know. Rockafeller is known as one of the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati. Thats why he makes a pyramid with his hands he's representing the Illuminati which is a bunch of Devil worshiping bitches!

[adbasque]

The pyramid actually represents the Illuminati. If u Google Illuminati one of the pictures that will pop up is a pyramid showin all the levels of the Illuminati. And "Rockafella" is derived from Rockafeller as most folks know. Rockafeller is known as one of the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati. Thats why he makes a pyramid with his hands he's representing the Illuminati which is a bunch of Devil worshiping bitches!

He is not as important as people make of him, he is a low grade in the mason's hierarchy.

Same goes for madonna, beyonce, lady gaga and many more, these are being used on a daily basis, when they no longer needed they'll be terminated it's as simple as that, or if one of them tries to get too nosy, they will eliminate him/her.

I can't believe people even listen to this crap, it should be called crap not rap, maybe that's where it derives from after all.
Or hip hop or whatever they want to call it.

I don't know about you guys, but does anyone know the laste sixties TV series called "The prisoner" played by Patrick McGoohan, he said it in an interview several times about the ptb trying to turn us to "numbers"

In the actual series he always tries to escape, saying I am not a number I am a free man, his number was 6.

If you google his interviews and listen to what he has to say about the tpb and the people in power.

[loublaze3]

He is not as important as people make of him, he is a low grade in the mason's hierarchy.

Same goes for madonna, beyonce, lady gaga and many more, these are being used on a daily basis, when they no longer needed they'll be terminated it's as simple as that, or if one of them tries to get too nosy, they will eliminate him/her.

I can't believe people even listen to this crap, it should be called crap not rap, maybe that's where it derives from after all.
Or hip hop or whatever they want to call it.

I don't know about you guys, but does anyone know the laste sixties TV series called "The prisoner" played by Patrick McGoohan, he said it in an interview several times about the ptb trying to turn us to "numbers"

In the actual series he always tries to escape, saying I am not a number I am a free man, his number was 6.

If you google his interviews and listen to what he has to say about the tpb and the people in power.

Fine you don't like the genre..you don't get it. But a real artist, a real musician RESPECTS other forms at THE VERY LEAST and will not use words like crap. I respect that it's not in your taste. Personally I have a very wide appreciation for music. My parents brought me up on the sounds of music, Louis Armstrong, motown, Bob Dylan (my dad's favourite), Pink Floyd, The Beatles (my personal fav ever since I was a kid), Led Zeppelin, Billie Holiday, Bruce Springsteen, Dolly Parton, Black Sabbath, Bob Marley, local African music..soul music...I listen to it all...and I fell in love with hip hop later and im a hip hop artist and I write songs. I went to school for audio production and I understand music. I accept it in all it's beautiful forms. Not every sound will please me but i'll never call another genre 'crap' in general. That's such a close minded and unfounded assumption in my humble opinion

[adbasque]

Fine you don't like the genre..you don't get it. But a real artist, a real musician RESPECTS other forms at THE VERY LEAST and will not use words like crap. I respect that it's not in your taste. Personally I have a very wide appreciation for music. My parents brought me up on the sounds of music, Louis Armstrong, motown, Bob Dylan (my dad's favourite), Pink Floyd, The Beatles (my personal fav ever since I was a kid), Led Zeppelin, Billie Holiday, Bruce Springsteen, Dolly Parton, Black Sabbath, Bob Marley, local African music..soul music...I listen to it all...and I fell in love with hip hop later and im a hip hop artist and I write songs. I went to school for audio production and I understand music. I accept it in all it's beautiful forms. Not every sound will please me but i'll never call another genre 'crap' in general. That's such a close minded and unfounded assumption in my humble opinion

I don't like it, but you don't seem to get it either, your parents brought up on music? My dad was a musician, I have been a musician since I was 4 years old, I do write "songs" rap is NOT music you can argue all you like it is not music, it has nothing whatsoever to do with music, I don't call it art either.

It was pushed down on people forced, basically what it is, let me explain what it is.

People with absolutely no talent whatsoever can't sing, can't compose, can't arrange, want to be famous and make a lot of money, and it is used to dumb down generation after generation, studies were carried out about all "genre" of music and they found that hip hop and rap do affect our neuronnes and brains, I didn't say it, independant scientists proved that it does dumb down a great deal.

Jay-Z and most people like him are NOT artists, the same goes for the guy who put toilets upside down in a musuem and calls it art, and thousands or millions of people accept it not because they like it, because they are afraid of being seen as idiots or closed minded as it's proven to be the case, so they go along with it.

I don't like and I will call anything I want, it's crap, yes.

You compare pink floyd, Beatles, Eagles, Led zeplin, and many other Rock and pop bands who spend night after night months and years to come out with an album, do you have any idea how long it takes to write a song, to compose, to arrange it, to write proper lyrics, and not to mention the singing with harmonies, etc etc...??

How can you even consider to compare crap with people who spend years to write few songs?

I'd rather listen to a poet reading his/her poetry than listening to these nutters calling themselves artists making millions out of people's naivety.

Yes you are free to listen to it that is entirely up to you, but I also have the right to call crap by its name.

I can prove it scientifically, technically and musically that it's nothing but a loads of rubbish.

If people like it that's up to them, I am in no way closed minded, but it doesn't mean I will consume every s**** that's out there without making a comment I am sick and tired of this political correctness, another way to shut people up, NOT allowed to say what you think anymore, well guess what? I say it's crap and it is.

If people don't like it well tough.
I am not insulting anyone, I am talking about a product that I regard as crap simple.

Good day

[ellis_deatrip]

Jay-Z fans seem to love the servitude to their masters.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/JAYZ.gif
What always struck me as odd was 'the Blueprint' being released on Tue. Sept.11,2001......
RAP-(minus)LIES = HipHop .
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mtrG9_7VTLI/SyXD3TmzWBI/AAAAAAAABlM/Ov79kT2h75U/s400/COVER.jpg
download:
http://ugwhh.blogspot.com/2009/12/conspiracy-of-mind-grand-deception.html

[loublaze3]

I don't like it, but you don't seem to get it either, your parents brought up on music? My dad was a musician, I have been a musician since I was 4 years old, I do write "songs" rap is NOT music you can argue all you like it is not music, it has nothing whatsoever to do with music, I don't call it art either.

It was pushed down on people forced, basically what it is, let me explain what it is.

People with absolutely no talent whatsoever can't sing, can't compose, can't arrange, want to be famous and make a lot of money, and it is used to dumb down generation after generation, studies were carried out about all "genre" of music and they found that hip hop and rap do affect our neuronnes and brains, I didn't say it, independant scientists proved that it does dumb down a great deal.

Jay-Z and most people like him are NOT artists, the same goes for the guy who put toilets upside down in a musuem and calls it art, and thousands or millions of people accept it not because they like it, because they are afraid of being seen as idiots or closed minded as it's proven to be the case, so they go along with it.

I don't like and I will call anything I want, it's crap, yes.

You compare pink floyd, Beatles, Eagles, Led zeplin, and many other Rock and pop bands who spend night after night months and years to come out with an album, do you have any idea how long it takes to write a song, to compose, to arrange it, to write proper lyrics, and not to mention the singing with harmonies, etc etc...??

How can you even consider to compare crap with people who spend years to write few songs?

I'd rather listen to a poet reading his/her poetry than listening to these nutters calling themselves artists making millions out of people's naivety.

Yes you are free to listen to it that is entirely up to you, but I also have the right to call crap by its name.

I can prove it scientifically, technically and musically that it's nothing but a loads of rubbish.

If people like it that's up to them, I am in no way closed minded, but it doesn't mean I will consume every s**** that's out there without making a comment I am sick and tired of this political correctness, another way to shut people up, NOT allowed to say what you think anymore, well guess what? I say it's crap and it is.

If people don't like it well tough.
I am not insulting anyone, I am talking about a product that I regard as crap simple.

Good day

How can you say it was pushed down on people? It was an underground buzz that caught on to the streets and later became commercialized but it was never forced...your lack of knowledge and ignorance is so pathetic. Don't waste your time proving anything cause we'll just agree to disagree. Science has nothing to do with anything here and most scientists don't even understand the genre and most likely share your view anyway. Paul McCartney claimed that yesterday was written in a day...does that make it rubbish? For an artist you have a rubbish state of mind in my opinion. Hip hop certainly hasn't dumbed me down. Im even better for it in many ways...you sound like the parents from the 50s and 60s who had your exact views towards rock and roll when it first came out. You seem to think you're better than anyone else and your opinion should count more just because you're a musician. We'll never agree on this so this is the last post im adressing to you so don't bother responding it because im through reading your holier than though crap

[synergy777]

Jay-Z fans seem to love the servitude to their masters.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/JAYZ.gif
What always struck me as odd was 'the Blueprint' being released on Tue. Sept.11,2001......
RAP-(minus)LIES = HipHop .
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mtrG9_7VTLI/SyXD3TmzWBI/AAAAAAAABlM/Ov79kT2h75U/s400/COVER.jpg
download:
http://ugwhh.blogspot.com/2009/12/conspiracy-of-mind-grand-deception.html

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