Lisbon Treaty Ireland

[seanie]

Hi everyone just an idea for everyone here, sorry have to vent:mad:,
if ireland votes yes on the lisbon treaty essentially making a United states of europe, i suggest that people from here and any EU country or "state" that didn't get a say in joining this new society go the freeman on the land route because if it does, then this is the last straw for me i'm doing it fuck them fucking scumbags. sorry about the bad language but this is an issue close to my heart and i'm mad as hell, just a suggestion

[dolores1]

Hi everyone just an idea for everyone here, sorry have to vent:mad:,
if ireland votes yes on the lisbon treaty essentially making a United states of europe, i suggest that people from here and any EU country or "state" that didn't get a say in joining this new society go the freeman on the land route because if it does, then this is the last straw for me i'm doing it fuck them fucking scumbags. sorry about the bad language but this is an issue close to my heart and i'm mad as hell, just a suggestion

I hope this meeting helps, it is posted on the site.

[deem]

Yeh the Irish have kept us out so far, I cant see a reason for them to change their vote.

[rosix]

bless the Irish :D

[process]

Hi. I always thought that they could fraud an election if they want to...why don't they do the fraud, if they want a yes so badly. So there must be democracy efterall, since they didn't get a yes, but no last time people voted...

???

[rosix]

Hi. I always thought that they could fraud an election if they want to...why don't they do the fraud, if they want a yes so badly. So there must be democracy efterall, since they didn't get a yes, but no last time people voted...

???

if I'm not mistaken, this isn't an election - it's a vote right? The MO of the powers that be is that they will only cheat someone being stupid enough to be cheated, etc. and therefore having Bush win instead of Gore is just potato potatoe - they're both total puppets and voting for one is voting for the other. This, on the other hand, is not in any way the same.

But yes they could very well rig the election and maybe they have rigged it for this result, for some reason.. time will tell.

if that is a picture of you in your avatar, you are extremely pretty. :)

[the worm that turned]

Going against 10,000 jokes that support it, I'm going to be controversial here - :D

The Irish aren't stupid, and neither are a lot of other men and women in Europe who don't support the EU (hence UK not having the vote), because WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR CONSTITUTIONS (WRITTEN OR NOT) AND THEREFORE DON'T WANT IN - Accept it Government, we don't want your superstate!!!!

And breath...

[yozhik]

Hi. I always thought that they could fraud an election if they want to...why don't they do the fraud, if they want a yes so badly. So there must be democracy efterall, since they didn't get a yes, but no last time people voted...

???

Ummmm ... so not being distracted by your avatar and trying to keep to topic ... if there was democracy, why is there a second referendum?

The lawful, democratic process resulted in a NO vote; i.e. the Treaty was rejected.
In a democracy, that would stand as the democratic decision.
Where is the mandate for a rerun?

[dolores1]

Going against 10,000 jokes that support it, I'm going to be controversial here - :D

The Irish aren't stupid, and neither are a lot of other men and women in Europe who don't support the EU (hence UK not having the vote), because WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR CONSTITUTIONS (WRITTEN OR NOT) AND THEREFORE DON'T WANT IN - Accept it Government, we don't want your superstate!!!!

And breath...

+1

[zero1]

I hope this meeting helps, it is posted on the site.

What site? Sorry I've missed it. Is there a meeting re; Lisbon Treaty @ the Red Cow Inn in Dublin on the 20th? What's happening, could you clarify pls?

[freckles]

What site? Sorry I've missed it. Is there a meeting re; Lisbon Treaty @ the Red Cow Inn in Dublin on the 20th? What's happening, could you clarify pls?

Scott Tips will be speaking and Anthony Coughlan. Its says Tickets €10; now don't quote me but I think they dropped the cover charge . . . This Sunday 4pm. Clarification anyone?? :)

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/events.php

[process]

if I'm not mistaken, this isn't an election - it's a vote right? The MO of the powers that be is that they will only cheat someone being stupid enough to be cheated, etc. and therefore having Bush win instead of Gore is just potato potatoe - they're both total puppets and voting for one is voting for the other. This, on the other hand, is not in any way the same.

But yes they could very well rig the election and maybe they have rigged it for this result, for some reason.. time will tell.

if that is a picture of you in your avatar, you are extremely pretty. :)

Thanx for your reply...and yes it's me on that avatar, so thanks for the compliment i guess...:)

[process]

Ummmm ... so not being distracted by your avatar and trying to keep to topic ... if there was democracy, why is there a second referendum?

The lawful, democratic process resulted in a NO vote; i.e. the Treaty was rejected.
In a democracy, that would stand as the democratic decision.
Where is the mandate for a rerun?

I guess you're right. They don't except a no! Thanx anyways..

[sub x]

Scott Tips will be speaking and Anthony Coughlan. Its says Tickets €10; now don't quote me but I think they dropped the cover charge . . . This Sunday 4pm. Clarification anyone?? :)

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/events.php


Yes Freckles the event is free ;)


http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/digsman/ScottTipsFinalFlyeredited.jpg


THIS EVENT IS FREE,ALL ARE WELCOME TO COME ALONG.


Directions to the Red Cow Inn,Dublin. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=red+cow+inn+dublin+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.910058,79.013672&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12)


Bump,This Sunday folks and there is another speaker added to the bill and from what I have heard this is going to be explosive stuff,I'm talking historical and I am not exaggerating,we are all really excited about this,so if you are in or around Dublin please try and make it along,Thanks.

[decim]

liesborn treason's shoot to kill policy.

The Secret Person has been researching the full details of the EU's Lisbon Treaty reinstatement of the Death Penalty:

(a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article
when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
(b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;(escape from where exactly?) (shot while attempting arrest?)
(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’ (shoot to kill)

(b) Article 2 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts
committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such penalty shall be applied (a war on terror?)
only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’
http://englandparliament.blogspot.com/2008/04/eu-lisbon-treaty-death-penalty-update.html


Death penalty in case of crime against the EU state
Professor Schachtschneider pointed out that it also reintroduces the death penalty in Europe, which I think is very important, in light of the fact that, especially Italy was trying to abandon the death penalty through the United Nations, forever.

And this is not in the treaty, but in a footnote, because with the European Union reform treaty, we accept also the European Union Charter, which says that there is no death penalty, and then it has a footnote, which says, "except in the case of war, riots, upheaval"—then the death penalty is possible. Schachtschneider points to the fact that this is an outrage, because they put it in a footnote of a footnote, and you have to read it, like really like a super-expert to find out!”

http://euro-med.dk/?p=776

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/digsman/ScottTipsFinalFlyeredited.jpg

This Sunday folks and there is another speaker added to the bill and from what I have heard this is going to be explosive stuff,I'm talking historical and I am not exaggerating,we are all really excited about this,so if you are in or around Dublin please try and make it along,Thanks.

[dolores1]

liesborn treason's shoot to kill policy.

The Secret Person has been researching the full details of the EU's Lisbon Treaty reinstatement of the Death Penalty:

(a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article
when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
(b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;(escape from where exactly?) (shot while attempting arrest?)
(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’ (shoot to kill)

(b) Article 2 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts
committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such penalty shall be applied (a war on terror?)
only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’
http://englandparliament.blogspot.com/2008/04/eu-lisbon-treaty-death-penalty-update.html


Death penalty in case of crime against the EU state
Professor Schachtschneider pointed out that it also reintroduces the death penalty in Europe, which I think is very important, in light of the fact that, especially Italy was trying to abandon the death penalty through the United Nations, forever.

And this is not in the treaty, but in a footnote, because with the European Union reform treaty, we accept also the European Union Charter, which says that there is no death penalty, and then it has a footnote, which says, "except in the case of war, riots, upheaval"—then the death penalty is possible. Schachtschneider points to the fact that this is an outrage, because they put it in a footnote of a footnote, and you have to read it, like really like a super-expert to find out!”

http://euro-med.dk/?p=776

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/digsman/ScottTipsFinalFlyeredited.jpg

This Sunday folks and there is another speaker added to the bill and from what I have heard this is going to be explosive stuff,I'm talking historical and I am not exaggerating,we are all really excited about this,so if you are in or around Dublin please try and make it along,Thanks.

See ya:)

[sub x]

Dear all,

Within the next few weeks we have coming, the most important vote of our lives. I will outline my main concerns in relation to this 2nd referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.


Guarantees: Not worth the paper they're written on. Denmark's stronger protocol promises after their Maastrict no vote have since been over ruled and nullified by the European Court of Justice!

Article 48: The self amending clause or escalator clause. Allows the EU to escalate it's power into new areas WITHOUT coming back to the people for a vote on any changes. So what we have in fact is a treaty that is not set in stone like our own constitution. It is a flexible treaty free to be amended by the EU elite as they wish. This leaves our country and the other individual member states extremely vulnerable! Would you sign a contract on a deal with someone who could legally adjust that contract to favour themselves AFTER you'd signed it ?

Article 2 ECFR: Under Lisbon, The European Charter of Fundamental Rights AND the European Charter of Human Rights become legally binding. Both of those charters are intertwined and will merge.
Article 2 ECFR "Nobody shall be condemned to death, everybody has a right to life" Article 2 protocol 6 of the ECHR which will merge with the ECFR, "A state may make provision for the death penalty in times of war or imminent threat of war". There you have a 'backdoor' whereby the main article can be diluted or negated entirely and this is typical of the deception we will find upon study of the treaty and it's additional charters. Who's to say we are under threat of war, could we trust Tony B'liar who led his nation into war under false pretences and who is in the running to be SELECTED, not elected, as the president of the EU ?


As was stated by our own Charlie McCreevy: 95% of Europeans would vote no to this treaty if given the chance. We the people of this country are their voice, and we owe it to them to make the right decision for them and for us on Oct. 2nd.

Hasn't the EU been good for Ireland ? We gave the EU 200 Billion worth of our fishing stock. The fishing industry has been decimated as a result. Now are farming industry is under attack, where our farmers are being forced because of EU law to sell milk cheaper than cost, while at the same time becoming ever increasingly crippled under EU bureaucracy. With this pattern in mind would you trust the EU with the Irish economy and our Government ?

I'm all for co-operation with our European neighbours, I just don't want them telling us what to do. I am for co-operation, not domination!


Creeping EU Tip-Toe Totalitarianism: Have you noticed how with each successive EU treaty it has gradually moved from economic integration into political integration ? Watch how civil liberties globally are being incrementally eroded due to this fraudulent 'War of Terror" and now via Phoney Environmentalism. Visit my web-site for more on this. Is it democracy to keep coming back to the people with the same treaty that we've already voted on ? Is it democracy not to allow the individual member states a referendum on something so crucially important to their futures and the futures of their children's children ? Was it democracy for most individual member states to ratify the treaty against the wishes of the vast majority of their own people even though it was ILLEGAL for them to do so due to We the People of Ireland having already voted this treaty down ?

Where is this progressing towards ? The agenda is World Government, for the many of us that are awake to see, which is clearly outlined in the books written by the elite and their insiders, books they don't count on the general population reading. World Government would not be a bad thing if Angels were going to run it, but the people striving for this are anything but. We are NOT ready for World Government yet, not by a long shot. Again more on this on my web-site.

What this is simply about is POWER going into yet fewer and fewer hands, and those that forget history are doomed to repeat it, because Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!


This progression MUST be stopped dead in it's tracks, and we can help scupper this agenda by voting NO on the 2nd of October.


God bless you all,

With respect,

Jim Corr

http://www.jimcorr.com/

[rodin]

Yeh the Irish have kept us out so far, I cant see a reason for them to change their vote.

I can see a reason for them to change their votes though

[freckles]

Anthony Coughlan speaking at the Red Cow on Sunday! Great event, great speakers! Well done to the lads and ladys for putting it all together!! Was wonderful to meet you sub x :)

Part 1
Anthony Coughlan on the Lisbon Treaty 2009 Part 1/4 - YouTube

Part 2
Anthony Coughlan on The Lisbon Treaty part 2/4 - YouTube

Part 3
Anthony Coughlan on The Lisbon Treaty part 3/4 - YouTube

Part 4
Anthony Coughlan on The Lisbon Treaty part 4/4 - YouTube


OR just go here.. .. . dot .. http://www.youtube.com/user/respectthevote

[freckles]

Yeah, I need a holiday :D

There were links there yesterday I swear!

Just go here http://www.youtube.com/user/respectthevote

and after next fridays vote I am out of here!!! Could be the last time to be allowed leave the country :rolleyes:

[sub x]

Monitoring the vote count
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=346
25 September 2009






Here are steps you can take to monitor the voting:

1. Go to your local polling station at 10pm tonight and,

Note the box numbers

Photograph them when they are sealed

Ask what the final vote count is.

2. Go to your local counting center tomorrow (Friday) morning and:

Record the boxes being opened

Monitor the counting

Report any unusual actitvity

Tickets are required for some of the counting centers, in particular the RDS, however in many of the centers they will let you in without one.

Please do your part to make sure there are no inconsistencies.

[girlgye]

why are they having a second referendum? And is it only in Ireland? That's frigging cheating is it not?

Now some are saying this Treaty will repeal the Magna Carta treaty of England and Wales is this true? In fact it will repeal all constitutions regardless won't it?

[endlessvista]

I wonder if Ireland votes YES will the EU and the "Irish" government suggest we have another vote to make sure we really meant YES...

[freckles]

I wonder if Ireland votes YES will the EU and the "Irish" government suggest we have another vote to make sure we really meant YES...

3rd times a charm :rolleyes:

The soldiers have voted and the majority of them seemed to have voted no according to one of my friends who is in the Irish army.

Out knocking on doors today and the majority are voting no or are undecided!

Fianna Fail also have a new lovely flyer - a pint of guinness with the words 'Lisbon is good for you'. I puked a bit in my mouth :D

[freckles]

why are they having a second referendum? And is it only in Ireland? That's frigging cheating is it not?

Now some are saying this Treaty will repeal the Magna Carta treaty of England and Wales is this true? In fact it will repeal all constitutions regardless won't it?

Hi girlgye,

We are having a second referendum because our government decided we didnt really know what we were voting on last time and sent us back to vote again. They have been on an all out Problem (recession) Reaction (ah jaysus I cant get a job) Solution (The Lisbon Treaty).

Of course its cheating!! Its an outrage!!! We DEMOCRATICALLY rejected it last time around but hey we didnt understand it, and now people still dont understand it but our government would never lie to us now would they :rolleyes:

I am not sure if it will repeal the magna carta treaty but I am fairly sure that Art. 9 of the lisbon treaty says we will owe obedience to the eu laws and loyalty to its authority over and above Ireland and its constitution in the event of any conflict between the two.

[girlgye]

so how come you get to vote and we in england didn't? :mad:

Arrr so they knew they got 'merked' on the Irish constitution.:D

Yoos need to check them there votes. You know what evil Bush and Blair got up to.

Also remind people do they want their kin taken away and locked up in detention without being proven guilty first. Under this lurvely rites of passage we will be subject to being guilty before being proven innocent. nice.

[cafetimes1991]

Excellent OP.
Here's my anti Liscon Treason activism video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF5XCvUXQMg&feature=channel_page.

[freckles]

so how come you get to vote and we in england didn't? :mad:

Arrr so they knew they got 'merked' on the Irish constitution.:D

Yoos need to check them there votes. You know what evil Bush and Blair got up to.

Also remind people do they want their kin taken away and locked up in detention without being proven guilty first. Under this lurvely rites of passage we will be subject to being guilty before being proven innocent. nice.

As far as I am aware the UK gets a referendum if Ireland votes No. So, all going well, you will get a vote ;)

[yozhik]

As far as I am aware the UK gets a referendum if Ireland votes No. So, all going well, you will get a vote ;)

Which is even more reason for the vote to be rigged [i.e. Bush 2000, Bush 2004].
There is no way in hell they will want this to open up the referendum in the UK and to give the Czech Republic any justification to not ratify the European Constitution ... errrrrr ... I mean Lisbon Treaty.

[girlgye]

how fair is that!!!!!:(

It makes a decision on our behalf on the whim of another nation?

This is pure fantasy.